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>>97881354
>TQ
Alright, I posted it! Now what?!

first for fuck the things you like, specifially

I haven’t build my lord on Pegasus yet

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>>97881354
Here's my big retard, 500pts, ready to get killed turn 2 by a cannon

>>97881397
Nice beastclaw raider bro

>>97881397
Kino, I need to get a thundertusk or two as well.

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>>97881354
>TQ

Here you go. Snagrog Deadeye, Boss of the Skull Smashaz tribe!

>TQ
I would dox myself doing that so no.

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>>97881354
Lord Ajtes "the thunderer", King of the Drakskjalta

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>>97881354
>>Thread Question:
>Post pictures of your general! Do it now!

Here's /MyDude/

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>>97881354
There are three of them right now:
Stirland, Empire - Karl Gerard, younger brother of Karl Gustav who succumbed to his old wounds after he withstood many battles against greenskins, the undead, and, unfortunately, even some dwarves over minor (or major, depending on if you are a dwarf or not) disputes related to some treasures from a long lost hold. Gerard tries to move into the lands that were held by his brother and reclaim whatever is possible after the collapse that followed his death. So far he was unfortunate, losing one of his brother advisors who withheld the ogre advance so the young noble could retreat.

Vampire Counts - Countess Evelyn, an unbearable arisen who was daring enough to oppose her lord when he was at his weakest after robbing dwarven crypts and losing most of his necromancers. While he may have put his hand on many ancient bodies and treasures, his forces were depleted enough that he had to flee to save his hide. Right now he's biding his time and slowly regaining power. Who knows, he may still get back what he lost from one of his old subordinates.

Chaos - Khragdob the trollkin (with his trusty trolls almost finished in the background). Very little is known about this warlord who only recently descended on the shores of Border Princes. So far he has managed to subdue a small beastmen herd led by a wargor named Ghrull. His story is yet to be told.

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What happens here? Who was this sorcerer?

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My greater bray shaman Enelle Autumna. Wood elf princess who Slaanesh has given beastwomen to torture and terrify the other races with. Lesser bray here >>97872955

>>97881891
No offense, but everything I’ve seen of your work seems very flat, you should use some shades and highlights at least, it would look better.

>>97881531
He looks grizzled and mean.

>>97881612
He looks like he’d have a bone to pick with my general.

>>97881706
Gorgeous paint jobs and great fluff.

>>97881643
Raroooo love the write up.

>>97881891
Interesting concept.

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>>97881737
>sorcerer Islands
wizerd shit
>Land of Assassins
Assassin's Creed shit

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>>97881737
I like to think those islands are covered in abandoned lighthouses, wizard towers and wharfs from various naval factions. What looks like a perfect staging point becomes a tomb when the local monsters descend from the volcanic peaks and crawl out of caverns

>>97882021
Good for you anon

>>97881891
anon that looks unfinished
i know everything about white is a bitch to paint but you should really try shading it

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>>97881354
>TQ

Rasthar the Withered and Von Blutfeldt, an alliance of convenience in the search for worthy foes and their arcane lore (in the current campaign, the former has served mainly as a baggage train, but he will have his moment on the battlefield)

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>>97881354
big Scawy dwagon

>>97882045
Thank you!

>>97882006
>He looks like he’d have a bone to pick with my general.
I dont know who your general is, but sure. Hed be more than happy to go do that.

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Lost the 1500p game I had against Wood Elves today, learned a lot though, and the game was fun in of itself, lots of great moments during it.

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>>97882064
What an absolute undead-chads. I love the blood dragon axeman.

>>97881963
absolutely no worries mate. I'm awful at painting. I know it, I show it, I ain't proud of its quality, but I am proud that it is painted.

>>97882021
So we're getting a battle report right?

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>>97882141
Was it this?

>>97882141
Post pics pls boss

What kind of list was the woody running?

>>97882211
you're not awful at painting, you just refuse to use washes or to try highlighting.
It's like someone saying "I'm awful at driving" because he refuses to use the brakes.

>>97882216
Driving rn but my models weren’t painted due to the short notice and his models were mostly not painted (various states of unpainted to WIP) so ngl i’d be embarrassed to show pictures but the long and short of it was she wiped out a unit of huscarls with pistoliers, melee didn’t start till turn 3, in which it was a deadlock until my other unit of huscarls with my exalted champion came in and routed them, and then were ran down by a unit of berserkers not in combat, who then in turn 5 got charged by another unit of halberdiers (did I mention my opponent was empire?) and THAT became a deadlock. Eventually some road wardens killed my exalted champions unit of huscarls except for him, and since he was too close to a unit of berserkers he became untargetable by a unit of handgunners with a long rifle engineer in it, who then charged said unit of gunners and made them run for the hills, but was one inch short of running them down. I won by 31 victory points despite losing more points of models because I captured two of his banners and the two banners he killed of mine not being captured. It was my first game and I had a lot of fun

>>97882342
disgusting

>>97881891
>looks at pic

christ, anon, I know everyone around you tells you "its great" and "your awesome", they are lieing to you, its shit.

quit this nonsense, get a job, buy real miniatures, and watch a painting tutorial

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>>97882342
Imagine...

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>>97881354
And another one (in one of his various incarnations - this one still WIP). Doesent have a name yet.

Any of these sound good/like a workable basis?

Varkhul the Blackened
Vaelkor Thrice-Cursed
Dravokh Soulflayer

>>97882808
My armpit stinks so name him after that

>>97882490
Not once has anyone ever said its good here lol. But it's not grey tide!

>>97882812
I think I will pass on that.

>>97882065
Cute

>>97882808
Thrice Cursed sounds really cool

>>97882922
I do like it.

Another one that might be a good title is "the sable prince".

>>97882930
To combine: How about something like "Vaelith Duskveil, the Thrice Cursed/the Sable Prince" (depending on whos talking)

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What's the best campaign book from 7th and 6th edition from your experience? One that you'd recommend to players wanting to take a shot at their first campaign?

>>97882808
Sir that's a 40K eldar model. Wrong general.

>>97882211
I appreciate the humility, though I can't help but think that a zenithal priming of white over a cream or brown colour could make a good base to work from. Some contrast or washes would make things pop even further. You've got a good idea with the scheme, it's just a matter of execution.

>>97883030
They were all designed by Jes Goodwin, so bits are rather interchangeable between 40k and fantasy

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>>97883030
Dilate and seethe about it.
I hope youre the guy who complained about the visarch body every previous time too

>>97882216
>>97882414
Sorry for the shoddy battle report I’m not good at this

How do I build the wood elf dual kit cavalry? I've got glade riders as well

>>97883244
Do you like ugly elf women or do you like twink elf men.

>>97882414
I’m glad you had fun with your first game. While it’s not technically you just joining now, but you’re initiated into the hobby fully now. Congratulations senpai.

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>>97881354
Hans von Sturmwind of course!

>>97883254
Crazy how much better he looks when he isn’t painted with the awful eavy metal style

>>97883230
>>97882414
Naw that was pretty decent man. Got the info across and congrats on your first game Did you end with 31 pts more than them, cause that's just a positive draw. 100+pts is a win.

>>97883261
I don‘t even know what style i am using lol.

>>97883254
Holy fuck, so Archon made that Warcraft miniatures game even without getting the license

>>97883267
Yours looks great. I really didn’t like that sculpt when painted in the GW style, which is called “ eavy metal “

What do you guys think about the rumour that there's a future TK vs WE box coming?
Should I wait before buying into these guys?

>>97883060
I did use a wash, and I'll have to redo the skull and maybe the flowers because of it. It was a desert bone color skull and fey pink flowers with royal purple tips, and they got full on tinted with just the tiniest bit of the wash. The flowers aren't as bad since its going to be purple anyway, but still.

>>97883420
prob true, and (going forward) Bretonnia will be ignored until end times.

>>97883420
I could believe it, but I also think it could be bullshit. The odds of them doing TK as the starter faction twice in a row feel not too high.

>getting into these guys
Which ones? WE or TK? Either way, if the box does come you will probably be able to buy the half you want to expand your collection. And at least for WE I dont see a major update to the model line coming. TK might get skeletons updated? But even that feels like its probably some ways out.

>>97883420
I’ll only care if wood elves get new hawk riders. I genuinely don’t care for anything else wood elf related outside of the wild hunt. Not even the named characters. I can kitbash my own mounted shit too.

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>>97881354
1/2

>>97883561
You need more tonal variety and contrast, as the wash is barely noticeable. Also, your light tones are way too light and your darks are too dark.

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>>97883840
2/2

Power Behind the Throne very well might have killed my campaign. We're 3 years in (including running the Starter Kit) and all of my players are struggling IRL in one way or another and the whole political spy thriller thing after two books of fun mystery action with occasional combat has them overwhelmed.

If, and it's a big if, we somehow continue The Enemy Within, what should I do? We're on Day 3 of Carnival and only just got into the whole Dieter possibly being hypnotized thing, and we're about to investigate Gotthard Wallenstein personally, but I don't think my party, as is, can handle more social investigation RP-heavy stuff.

Otherwise, I might create a campaign off-ramp and just lead the party off on some other adventure, either using pre-existing adventures or making one up based on our party's personal stuff and the consequences of their actions, but I'm concerned that there'd be no overarching plot to guide the party at that point.

Worst case scenario, we shelf the campaign and move on to a different setting entirely, because I'd rather prioritize my players' fun and mental health over trying to force them to continue a campaign they no longer have the energy/willpower to enjoy. Thoughts?

>>97884462
Rape them and force them to give birth to whatever spawn crawls out and tell them they must carry their fathers burden.

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>>97881354
This was my general from today’s game. He spent 4 turns flying between forests while my opponent tried to chase him, chased off some halberds and ban with a terror check, and flank charged his knights. It was a good day to be flying.

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>>97882380
Forgot to take pics, except for my own dudes prior to deployment.
And I faced a wild hunt mounted list, so it was all cavalry except for beastmasters and the wizard (who could fly).
A combination of my inexperience of facing any type of elves, along with a not optimal deployment (due to the first reason) and the typical bad luck of the die lead me to lose the game. Had fun though, and is what’s most important.

>>97882342
cringe AI slop

>>97884462
I just wrapped “the horned rat”

For my party I did 2 things that really helped the flow:

1 I LOOSELY followed the book and picked out a bunch of story beats I liked, and let my party basically discover the events they wanted to discover. We ended up doing a lot of things out of order, but as long as the big scenes (saving the law lords kidnapped daughter, the garden party, and the attempt on the grafs life) happened, then everything else was just improv.

2. I ran the first bit of “the horned rat” at the same time. Untangling the two intrigues was a mental challenge, but the cover of a more obvious “skaven plot” helped to provide tangible leads to follow up on that weren’t direct red herrings, and it made for a smoother transition into the later encounters in the 4th book.

I recommend for your players that you let them describe the scene they want to have, and feed them the necessary information, even if the scene doesn’t match the exact dialogue or setting of the book.

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>>97882211
Dip them in pic related. Give a drybrush of original base color. Spray matt / satin varnish if you want to get rid of the gloss.

That's about 5-10 minutes of work for infinitely better result

>>97883254
Nicely painted but I fucking hate that model. Straight out of Warcraft. I hope if they ever refresh Empire models this won't be the style they will go for.


>>97883420
Highly doubt it because starter boxes usually contain popular factions.

How sad will I be if I have nearly 400 hours playing empire across TWW1, 2 and 3 and want to use infantry, cavalry and artillery in my games?
All the plastic kits look great.

>>97884755
That's how I personally think Empire should be played. I'm building a combined arms list myself. Wont be very competitive but atleast it will look good.

>>97884689
>30 ungor 5 wide

D E E P
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>>97881354
>TQ
El Don Bigote ready to lead the mercenary band into chivalric quests (and profit, if Uccello the paymaster has any say in the matter)

>>97884703
decent advice, I actually wish they woud make a clear matt varnish dip,

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>>97884755
1. play what you want to see on the table
2. find opponents that you enjoy playing the game with. (you wont care if you loose)
3. double down, refine, but never betray your original vision.

>>97884703
>Highly doubt it because starter boxes usually contain popular factions
One side anyway. The other side is there to grift off the popularity of other.(marines)

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>>97881354
General the first - count Luthor, who's currently leading a small undead warband through the woods of Sylvania.

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>>97884909
And general the second - prince Florian of the woodland realms, currently without an army to lead and so spends the days fluttering around on his bumblebee.

>>97883144
Yuck.

>>97884692
If we do keep things going, I might have to work that in. They clearly need a more direct plot right now as opposed to the whole intrigue web thing.

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>TQ

extremely rough looking start to my WOC sorcerer lord of nurgle on steed, but trust the process. I haven’t written lore for him yet, and i haven’t picked out a name for him.

anybody else struggle with naming their guys?

>>97885068
Names get more forced the harder you think about them. Try to just pick something that comes to you, you can always add more aliases as they come along.

Fester comes to mind first. Or something with Pox. Or Arnold.

>>97885068
Fester Poxarnold.

He looks cool, by the way. I look forward to seeing him done!

>>97882961
I like Perilous Quest from 5th.

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>>97885068
>anybody else struggle with naming their guys?
The nice thing about poopoopeepeemen is that they don't require fancy names

>>97885068
Rotchild the Well Despoiler.

I think the army that needs a model refresh the most are dwarfs

>>97885491
No it’s wood elves.

>>97885491
>>97885494
Both are quite chopped

>>97885068
K'ugh the Phlemy

Anyone got a recommend for Halfling STLs to proxy either Empire or Brets?

>>97885779
maxmini has entire ranges of halfling proxies for empire and brets (and undead and araby and dogs of war and imperial guard)
but they're not stl

>>97883762
TK are the protagonists of TOW though

>>97885799
that's cathay

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Working on some baggage trains for my beastmen and empire forces. Still need to find a banner for the beastmen one and maybe a lone soldier to guard the treasure chest for the empire one

>>97885068
Abdul Ibn Khalid Husseini, a dark sorcerer from barbaric araby come to despoil in the name of his heathen gods

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>>97881397
I see your big retard and raise you a big lizard

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>>97885068
Rotraud Gormann, former Bright Wizard and jealous brother of Thyrus Gormann, corrupted by Egrimm van Horstmann.

>>97883266
Ok I didn’t know, yeah I got 31 points over him so it’s a positive draw. Thanks!
>>97883253
And thank you as well!

>>97885068
>anybody else struggle with naming their guys?
I usually do, but thankfully Skaven are piss-easy to name: [Scratchy-sounding syllable] + [Thematic word][Body Part] always works.
>Here's, uhh... Kritch Shockclaw

monogod daemon army for TOW is hard to build. Should I even bother?

>>97886141
this isn't adobe slop, this is actual art

i stop buying books becuase all the modern art looks like half finished digital crap

>>97887122
Mechanically? No. Demons are a faction built around their soup, and monogod has no reward for doing it at the cost of "most of your roster and flexibility"

You CAN, and some are stronger than others (tzeench monogod is pretty doable, or was back in the day) but in general you want to mix gods because all your best units are spread out all over the place

>>97881354
More of a more question. But my group has decided we're doing a short game in the WHF setting. Now, I know basically zilch about WHF outside of a bit or random Vermintide 2 stuff, dwarves and their grudge, and no one liking Skaven.

After a quick search I decided I'm going to play an Ogre Leadbelcher merc, mainly because the idea of being a big guy shooting a cannon with his bare hands, then clubbing people with it hilarious. What should I know about Ogres if I want to be the most Ogre possible? I've been filled in that they're always hungry, but that's about all I picked up so far.

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>>97887356
Ogre mercs and maneaters usually pick up the culture where they are at, so if he is new to the area he can be asking questions like; Why everyone wears the silly hats (and where he can get one), why that person (a general, priest, etc) is important, and what creatures this land has to offer his palate.

>>97887356
>What should I know about Ogres if I want to be the most Ogre possible?
Honestly, ogres are pretty self-explanatory. Big dumb brutes who like eating and fighting a whole lot and are just smart enough to realise that money can be exchanged for goods and services like food.

Their only real quirk is how surprisingly open-minded they are. Ogres can get on with and later try and mimick almost any culture, whether its chaos, elves, dwarfs, empire or whatever else. Theyre incredibly "mentally flexible" in the sense that theres no "ew, don't like those" at least on a cultural level.

>>97887356
ogres are very hungry
ogres are not dumb, they're merely strong enough that the brutal option for solving their problems is more often than not more than sufficient, so they rarely need to flex their brain muscle, but when they do, they can be scary clever
ogres are very hungry
ogres are weirdly adaptable, mercenary work isn't rare for them and when they stay long enough in one place they end up absorbing the culture, or at least the fashion, of their employers
ogres are very hungry
ogres are not fat, most of their bulk is muscle, think of them less like a very big fat man and more like a human-shaped hippopotamus, if you bother to know or go check their musculature
ogres are very hungry
ogres come from the east, slightly west of the not!china empire of warhammer, they began migrating west after they devoured so much in the region that the chinese sent a meteorite after them, devastating that part of the world, that meteorite formed a crater that the ogres worship as the great maw
ogres are very hungry
the meteorite wasn't a normal meteorite, and the crater isn't a normal crater, it's genuinely a god in the physical world, an abyss into the earth of hungry flesh and enormous teeth that bored to the other end of the world in a second similar abyss in the ocean
ogres are very hungry
the great maw is in the back of the mind of every ogre, they pay homage to it, they respect it, but it curses them with an unnatural hunger and sometimes even less natural compulsions, making the pilgrimage to reach the great maw and actually come back is difficult

>>97887635
ogres are very hungry
a lean belly is a sign of weakness and abnormality in ogre society, kids born too slim are abandoned in caves where they become troglodytic savages, while large bellies are respected and admired
ogres are very hungry
ogre skin is thick enough, and the layers of fat and muscle even more so, that ogres don't really need armor for the most part, and they are so immune to pain that it's not uncommon for them to have very brutal "piercing", or even just knives and hooks piercing their skin as a convention way to carry things along
ogres are very hungry
the two pieces of armor they most often use are the gutplate and an armoured fist, only the butchers go without gutplate in their society
ogres are very hungry
ogres can digest pretty much anything, and if you can imagine their strongest stomachs as akin to natural cauldrons, then you won't be surprised by the fact ogre butchers practice gastromancy, culinary magic, where they devour (sometimes cook) magical ingredients as a mean to unleash spells
ogres are very hungry
ogres, like most other races of the world were uplifted by the unfathomably powerful god-like race known as the old ones, nobody truly remembers them, or knows this, but ogres were made as a last ditch attempt by this race to create a species that would be resistant to chaos, and while chaos ogres do exist, it takes so much exposure to chaos for an ogre before it starts manifesting mutations that it could be argued the old ones succeeded

>>97887639
ogres are very hungry
you know who else is also very hungry? halflings, it's not exactly known, but halflings were uplifted in parallel with ogres and the two share a sort of natural kinship despite their differences
ogres are very hungry
you know who doesn't share a kinship with ogres? giants; the lands where ogres first live in was very much adjacent to the mountain kingdom of the skytitans, and before the chinese hurled a comet at the ogres, the ogres had laid siege to those mountains and devoured the giants. the giants that are left on the world are degenerated inbred descendants, smaller and dumber. and the ogres still take pleasure in breaking them and enslaving them
ogres are very hungry
ogres first saw gunpowder in those wars against the giants, because the giants employed enormous cannons against them, when the giants were toppled, the ogres repurposed to cannons, mounting them on heavy chariots. leadbelchers similarly repurpose smaller cannons, but they don't need chariots for those
ogres are very hungry
ogres don't have a written culture, they have oral traditions and tales and stories of ogres that made great things, amassing names and epithets to oneself is perhaps the second thing ogres most want to do after amassing food
ogres are very hungry

>>97887635
>ogres are not dumb
Anon, the smartest ogre alive is "nearly human" in terms of their intellect (and thats thanks to a magic crown).

Ogres arent trolls, but they are dumb.

>>97887643
>, and before the chinese hurled a comet at the ogres, the ogres had laid siege to those mountains and devoured the giants.
No, that was after. The ogres used to live in the plains near cathay alongside the humans, and were only forced into the mountains of the sky titans by the coming of the maw (and later forced from those peaks by weird weather).

>start building an orc army
>suddenly feel the need to build a dwarf army at around 1000 points
>start building dwarf army
>suddenly feel the need to build a beastment army at 700 ish points
>start building a beastmen army
>suddenly feel like building an empire army at around 1000 points
>start building empire

I'm screwed, i'm simply never going to be able to finish

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>>97887754
me here but add a bloodbowl team, 4 mordheim warbands, and an empty bank account

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>>97888078
err, tried to say “same here” and “me too”…

>>97887408
Good to know. We're mostly running towards a mountain currently on a job, though I took the hungry cue and ordered an entire cow's worth of ribs for lunch(and saying I'm eating light because I'm leaving for a job). And when we found some dead guys by the side of the road, I pulled the limbs off one to snack on while we walk, which the DM said was getting into the Ogre spirit.

>>97887635
>>97887489
Thanks. I'll definitely have to do a bit more reading up, but got a good bit to chew on for next week.

>>97888128
Sounds like you have the spirit of things.

if youre worried about being too "one note" (which could end up the case if youre JUST "I eat things - the person") consider what quirks your leadbelcher has. Is he particularly trusting/does he have some sort of "Leader"/"manager" in the party? Is he particularly mercenary, a miser who will shake everyone down for all theyre worth? Is he particularly open minded and tries to mimic what others do (even if probably superficially/without really "getting it")?

But yea: Big bastard, likes to eat, likes to fight. Sounds like you get it.

>>97887741
In the first Cathay AJ it outlines that the Ogres had started to encroach onto Sky Titan territory prior to the meteor, prompting the Dragon Emperor to share the secret of black powder with them to try and push them back. The meteor came after to help them out because things weren’t getting better, but it ended up pushing all the ogres into Sky Titan territory, eventually overrunning their fortresses and wiping them out. Considering Ogres got their magic from the Great Maw, caused by the meteor, and their guns and siege cannons from the Sky Titans, Cathay is responsible for unleashing quite the menace of a faction onto The Old World and I’m surprised it was sort of just glossed over. Maybe if Ogres get introduced into the game proper they’ll address it lmao.

>>97888188
I have not read that. But prior lore is pretty clear: The Dragon Emperor summoned the Maw because ogres kept eating cathayan peasants, their homeland (and most of their race) destroyed the Ogres were forced into the sky-titan peaks where they encountered and eventually devoured the solitary giants until magically destructive weather forced them even further into the mountains of mourn.

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>>97887754
This is me but with random games since now I'm collecting fucking clan war for some goddamn reason.

>>97888207
That’s all still in tact, >>97888188 this post was more to clarify that the Ogres and Sky Titans were encountering each other prior to the meteor according to the relatively new Arcane Journal.

>>97888258
Then it isnt fact, because the chain of causality was pretty clear previously. Something they clearly changed.

Rate my snowflake OC.

https://pastebin.com/7Ln4EUXi

>>97887754
Post your beasties

>>97887741
Wouldn't that mean that the cathayans caused the fall of the titans by pushing the ogres towards them instead of fighting them as well?

>>97888399
Sure I guess?

>>97888270
>and a seat of low prestige.
It feels like you're shooting yourself in the foot by defining the place as not being of particular renown and prestige and then base both of the elven brothers' stories about the claim of this place.
If I were to add or revise something I'd try to make their deal a much more personal affair, so hear me out
>the younger brother was actually the firstborn between the two, but he was born with magical potential, so the parents faked whatever birth certificate dark elves have and sent him as hostage so he wouldn't get killed due to malekith's laws
now the "younger" brother has a much more personal vendetta against your dude because in his eyes he would feel robbed of his life (being male wizard hostage in the cult of khaine must not be very comfortable. and in true DE egocentrism he wouldn't stop to consider the inner causes of how his life turned, namely his wizard powers, but only the external actors: his parents for not finding a better way to cheat the system, and his brother for living the life meant for him)

and on the other side of this rivalry I think your dude's real interest in the location could be stronger; you say he was thought to be dabbling in dark things that were around the place, perhaps getting dethroned made him lose access to those and that's the real treasure he's after, more than the prestige of the tower. or furthermore losing those sites could be why he had to escalate his dealings with chaos, maybe he was already making pacts with slaanesh but those weirder ruins gave him an edge in the interactions so he wouldn't need to dip too much into chaos shit personally, so now his soul is without those leverages and he's forced to serve directly until he gets back to his antique toys and their fix.

also I don't think I've seen one of the two monsters he rides, the text isn't descriptive there, I assume you're the guy with the fell beast conversion

>>97888409
It reframes the dragon emperor as a two faced betrayer, so chances are gw won't write it that way.

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Who the fuck is this?

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>>97888626
Yes, also a carnosaur (one of the old ones), which really feels more about the size of what the cold ones are described as in the malus darkblade books. So thats the cold one.

As for the other suggestions/notes? Ill keep them in mind. I made Kar Khareth "minor" because for one thing I didnt want as much baggage about established politics, and a smaller fortress far out east feelt like a good way to have a "bottle setting" in a sense. Plus it feels quite dark elven to have a big feud over some sad fucking chunk of rock in the midle of the wastes whos main purpose nowadays is to stop chaos barbarians from reaching anywhere nicer. Its like Naggor I guess.

Making his brother the actual elder and a dark wizard could be interesting, even if having him be "actually the rightful heir" adds something to the dynamic too imo. "A younger brother deposed by a powerful older sibling with dark powers" and "the older and more conventionally powerful sibling overthrown by a younger sniveling wretch" are a bit different as far relationships go. But I do think its a good call to add a bit more to "why he wants to come back".

The "dabbling in dark powers" thing was in my head a lie, the sort of slander someone might spread to forment dissent about someone. I could imagine his younger sibling dropping hints that he/his father were actually dabbling in the sorcerous arts or chaos cultists or something, just enough to present a cassus belli for those with axes to grind anyways. But making it true could also be cool, maybe his expeditions up north produced some interesting finds and he started getting into that shit.

What kind of goals and personality would you give to a Tomb Kings society-centric story? I am going to have some living people among them from Numas but I'm also going to make Settra the Imperishable a bit of a substitute father figure for a young girl. I do intend for him to be big in his goals but not some incompetent dude who wants to be praised for doing nothing but be praised for doing awesome. He still wants everything that called promised him in life and he does not want his subjects to a main mindless and tomaton in general among his average Tomb people.

>>97888658
Not really. Summoning the maw, like summoning tidal waves (another thing he has been known to do) is a "get of my lawn" move against forces cathay cant fight conventionally (like the dark elves).

The Maw (if "The Maw" was even the intended summon, and not just "a meteor") was meant to kill the ogres, and it did, them fleeing to the peaks of the sky titans and subsequently killing them was an unintended consequence which the dragon emperor had both no real ways of stopping or knowing would happen.
There was also no real connection between cathay and the sky titans (until now I guess).

At the end of the day the dragon emperor nuked them from orbit, if the survivors were enough to eat the sky titans theres not really much more he could have done had he not nuked them (because the Maw DID kill most of the ogres)

>>97888817
In which book Malus had to deal with a carnosaurus?

>>97888824
The mummy

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>>97888838
None. But in those books cold ones are multi-tonne behemoths. In the first book, a couple of berserk cold ones effortlessly smash through an entire phalanx like its not there, and in the chaos wastes Spite fights whole herds of beastmen.

In the game art proper (and models) theyre more horse size, still vicious but clearly more "velociraptor" tier. But in those books theyre true monstrous cavalry.

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>>97888911
Compare that art to something like this. And remember Spite is supposed to be a smaller example of a cold one.

Its a "black library-ism", theyre obviously not actually that size "really" and its the books taking liberties, but since I had a conveniently cold one shaped mount of a monstrous cavalry size, I figured I may as well play into it. So instead of a dwarf carnosaur im saying hes riding a particularly big cold one (counts as Daemonic Mount)

Hey Anons, how do WFB 4th and 5th editions play? My brother and I are getting into the game again and I’m wondering if it’s worth learning them or just brushing up on 6th edition instead.

I’m looking for a game that has the characterful rules and charm of older editions, but is also fairly easy to learn. Also, how necessary are the magic cards and stuff? I’m concerned those would be a limiting factor.

>>97889097
>. Also, how necessary are the magic cards and stuff?
For magic? Very.

>>97888755
doesn't look like a gw dwarf, makes me think spellcrow for some reason, but he's not in that catalogue

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>>97888817
Funnily enough, the new "cold ones" are carno sized

>>97889097
If you can stand a 5-minute trip into goybook, I'd strongly suggest you look into Warhammer Renaissance, it's a fan created ruleset that merges the best parts of 4th & 5th, whilst adding some quality of life from 6th & 7th and filing off most of the jank. It has really comprehensive army lists for pretty much every army, it plays fast and feels like the oldies.
You can also find the magic and item card scans in the same group, they can be printed at home with little hassle.

>>97889189
Yea, that old carnosaur is kinda tiny. Really nice model though.

>>97888755
Thats Bill,
Hes not a bad bloke but I've heard he has a penchant for buggery

>>97888840
>The mummy
What?

>>97889571
With Brandon fridge

>>97881354
>>97889208
grabbed the Warhammer Renaissance army book and rules off their site and uploaded them here if anyone is interested:
https://gofile.io/d/BTbewC
https://gofile.io/d/BTbewC

>>97889908
Thanks!

>>97889908
>build a beast workshop
kino, soul, will ask someone to try it out. Although theres no way its balanced right? Im sure you can build a chaos abomination that will kick a dragons ass.

Yea, doing some napkin maths you can build a chaos dragon (sans 2nd breath weapon) for 300~pts

Then for an extra 45pts you make it T10, and then you can add more wounds too. Or make it ignore armor saves (not that you NEED it at S7). The chaos abomination seems really good. As it should be I guess given its a "general unlock" in a warriors of chaos army and the other marks do quite a lot for you.

>>97888824
Petty royal bickering.

>>97889148
In that case, how integral is magic to the edition? Also how fun is the magic; would I be missing out on something significant if neither of us brought wizards?

>>97889208
>>97889908
Cheers Anon I appreciate it. I’m not against community rules, but the physical artefacts of old rule and army books are part of the draw of older editions for me.

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trying out colors for my Tamurkhan art, planning on making a dwarf fortress/capital where it's captured by him and Ungrim Ironfist appears to retake it
i hope the colors really tell it's Nurgle-ish :-D

>>97890051
Yeah, the custom chaos beast is a pretty good consolation prize for losing out on god marks.
Then again, chaos has so much build variety that I'm just tempted to make a bunch of warbands just for the lulz

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I was so completely and utterly mindbroken and disgusted by the greed of the Bretonnia MTO that I set out on a rage-quest of autistic spite to collect all the 5th edition Bretonnian infantry I wanted off of ebay for the same price as the MTO. That quest is now at its end. Fuck you, GW. Fuck you so hard. Sneedmania forever.

>>97890546
I like 'em

>>97890448
>how integral is magic to the edition?
It's huge, particularly in 4th edition where both players can cast spells during each magic phase. Things are a bit random and break easily, but it's also loads of fun. There's over a hundred spells, though many of them have similar effects.
It's not exactly mandatory, but many armies can benefit a lot from using it.

>>97890557
Me too, much prefer these lads to the mudcore plastics. One of them is an oldhammer knight iirc, but he works perfectly as a militant grail monk, maybe a pious veteran infantryman who's been on crusade and become of the cloth. The other monk is an Empire Warrior Priest I'm converting (literally). I may have to trim the fluting off his breastplate to sell the look.

>>97887730
Nah he's right, it's a matter of perspective.

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>>97881354
With a group of only 5 Centigors how should I best equip and utilize them?
So far my idea was to give them ambushes, javelins and Great Weapons, but I have little to no experience using cavalry units.

>>97890546
Damn dude don’t make me regret getting that core box set

>>97889097
They're great editions and well worth a shot, especially if you've got a lil' sprinkle of that nostalgia for it.

Getting around the cards is pretty easy, you could just take a pack of regular playing cards and write on their faces (22 power, 8 dispels, 1 each of 6 unique cards).

As long as you have a pdf of the rules you can fill in the blanks no problem.

>putting my high elves on 20s
>figure I'll get the new eye patch lothern chick
>suddenly realize it's probably way too big to go on a 20
Well shit, guess we'll see how big she actually is.

If I am planning on grabbing the bretonnia starter box, what would be a good "next step"? More Knights?

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>>97890546
Based
>>97890626
Centigors are afaik one of the worst units in the poopoopeepee roster so just do whatever you want

>>97890770
What makes centigors bad?

>>97890798
drunken + pretty pricey for a light cav unit

>>97890758
Either way you should grab it soon since it was removed from GWs webshop.

>>97890626
I say this as a beastman model poster that owns no centigors and has never played with them but if I were to I would give them ambush and great weapons.

GW thought it would be funny to make them initiative 2 so going down to I1 is basically no penalty at all, and spiking your drunk roll and hitting frenzy to double your now S6 AP2 attacks makes the unit actually slap for its points cost.

Ambush in as late as possible and crash into the flank of something already in combat or hunt a warmachine or something.

Which are the cheapest armies to collect? It seems high elves and wood elves get a boost from their dragon lord but what about others?
Idk why but I was surprised how expensive orcs and goblins are, granted I shouldn't have been

>>97888755
Hes a dwarf from Lead Adventure Miniatures

https://www.miniaturicum.de/?k=889&lang=eng

Slightly bigger than GW ones

>>97890546
The converted warrior priest is a nice touch. How are you going to run him?

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How bad was 7th edition balance that I keep hearing about people still playing it using 6th edition army books?

>>97891156
Quite.

Some armies (high elves, demons) were just really silly broken and basically playing a different game. The power creep got so bad they had to emergency kill the edition and do 8th (which is why not all armies got their 7e book).

>>97891260
to be fair it was rare for an edition to give an armybook to all the factions

>>97890798
>What makes centigors bad?
Fragile for the cost, unreliable due to drunk. And the damage output isnt that good because they lack lances or the equivalent.

>>97891270
Maybe back in 4th/5th, but by the 2000's/modern warhammer I dont think thats really true any more.

>>97891270
Another point for 6th. I wish the Dogs of War was a real army book like they were in 5th.

>>97890972
Chaos probably. You can build a 2K list from the battalion.

>>97890798
They're pretty expensive for a unit with no armor. The problem is internal balance as beastmen have access to much more better units.

>>97891156
kind of like playing 8th edition armies in 6th edition, dwarf runes got silly, skaven were nuts, HE had unkillable ward bunkers and demons were a 40k army basically.

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Found these genies, could be cool for Araby.

>>97890972
Chaos is historically pretty cheap. The army box gives you a lot of warriors and knights and both are expensive.

A lord on dragon (which you will often field because its one of their few "good" units) is also like 1/4 of your army in pts.

>>97890626
>>97890919
Im the beastwomen player and centigors are wildly under rated. I run the following:

Beastmen Brayherds [341 pts]
Warhoof, Heavy armour, Throwing axes, Shield, Ambushers, Mangelder, Pelt of Midnight - 168
7 Centigor Herd, Great weapons, Throwing axes, Ambushers, Gorehoof (champion) [Scourge of the Burdened] - 173

They operate as a backbone ambush unit to running conjunction with everything else. Scourge of the burdened helps everything that can ambush in some degree, and goes off fairly regularly. Move ungors into position, reposition centigors after shooting to be out of sight. And if you do end up frenzy, you get terror checks and a 17" charge range with warband with 360 degree view. It demands to be answered, and against beastmen which also have crashing front line it causes complex choice.
>>97891273
Susceptibility to magic is their biggest problem, but yes fragility in general. But that's basically all beastmen. They don't do defense.

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>>97890770
Am I doing Sneedmania right?

Anyone want to have sex with me

>>97890972
Assuming you mean first party GW stuff and not 3D print or 3rd party sculpts, which is an entire different calculation, probably WoC.
Aside from those maybe Brets (because of the core box), HElves/WElves and just a shot in the dark maybe Ogre Kingdoms because they don't seem to need many units.

>>97891005
As a Grail Monk, basically acts as a second unit champion. Bretonnia doesn't get many interesting peasant characters unfortunately. Maybe I could house rule him and write my own rules for Warrior Priest-esque prayers, but in most games he'll just be a unit champion. Same with Bertrand the Brigand, I think most games he'll just be my archer unit champion unless my opponent is okay with his old rules.

>>97891420
Maxmini has a full-blown Araby army for like $200 and it's to the same standard as the new Cathay stuff.

>>97891457
>tfw 64 archers and 2 wizards
My list would fucking eviscerate a beastie army unless they brought lots of centigors

>>97891688
why do they have so many halfling variants

>>97891729
You're not meant to question it.

>>97891688
Has anyone here bought from them before? Is the quality decent enough? I'm eyeing some of their goblin minis to use as hobgoblins.

>>97891729
Wouldn't you like to know, weather boy

>>97890770
>no sigshit
Lizardmen from there look fine wym? Granted their skirmish poses are rough for r&f & one of the Krox heads look bad, but oal not terrible

>>97891913
That person is being performative and/or trolling and trying to make nuanced reason with him is folly

>>97891913
It means don't juice AoS sales numbers.

>>97891913
Lizardmen, Night Goblins, WoC, and Skaven are all perfectly acceptable 1:1 refreshes perfect to use in WFB/TOW. Their VC look like fucking shit except for the Strigoi (it's actually Ushoran himself, which is cool) and the Blood Knight on zombie dragon. Everything else is unusable level bad, not even the Wood Elf stuff is salvageable, and the awful Inner Cities of Sigmar niggerslop clad in Playmobil kit isn't even worth saving, you're better off using literally anything else for the amount of work you'd have to put in to make one of the niggers in Fisher-Price-meets-MapleStory armor look like a halfway decent Empire character. Fucking embarrassing range, I hate CoS like nothing else. Even their terrain is awful.
>>97891956
Buying secondhand on ebay or from Ivan and friends is harmless. Obviously do not buy a kit off the shelf.

>>97891913
Anon its a shitpost.

>>97892039
The vast majority of your opinions here are worth as much to me as a shitpost so I treat it all the same

>>97892065
>he takes shitposts seriously

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pig

>>97892117
such a weird addition to the range this was

>>97892117
>when the ungor starts walking towards you with his dick in his hand

>>97892166
that's nothing, when they're carrying some other gor's dick is the moment you need to start worrying

>>97891003
Nice find, thanks.

>>97892140
It really could do with a new model that looks less derpy.

It's important to me that you all know that my hatred for nu-GW and AoStrannies is 100% genuine and in no way a shitpost, I sincerely fucking hate these people and everything they stand for and will continue to gatekeep and bully them at every opportunity. I do not want to support nu-GW or be associated with the tranny freakshow worming its way into this hobby in any way.

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>97892583
Okay

>one reddit
All of you faggot dorks are the exact same person.

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Trolls are done (except for blood in the wounds and snow on bases, but they'll get that after the varnish). Now it's time to wrap up the general.

>>97892661
Lovely colours on those skins, anon, would love to play against them.
How are chaos trolls on the table? I don't think I've seen them played or discussed much

>>97892661
Kino, I love those sculpts so much

>>97881384
I hope he didn't ruin an actual tiranoc chariot to make this

>>97892703
I'm not sure how it looks in TOW. I play 6th and can comment only on that. When you look at three main big boy units, it looks more or less like this. Ogres are the cheapest, and you can kit them out as you want (light/heavy armor, great weapons/additional weapons), which is nice. They are also the cheapest, at 35pts. Minotaurs are clearly the winners when it comes to killing potential with WS4 and I4. They just work and cost 40pts. Trolls, well, they are stupid and cost the most of all of them at 55pts. In theory, regeneration makes them the most resilient, and there's also troll vomit to deal with high armor. But from what I saw, other options outshine them in most of the scenarios you'll encounter on the table. You may ask, then why paint and field them? And here I say that I simply like these dumb freaks, that's good enough for me.

I thought it was high elves that had the tranny following but I guess it’s orcs and goblins. Probably should have figured as much considering what the most normal o&g player wears those ear lobe extenders.

>>97892749
It sounds like the problem is the place you live in way more than the factions of fantasy toy soldiers.

>>97892740
Based reasoning.

>>97892749
>>97892789
Yeah I live in Eastern Europe and I’ve never seen those ear lobe stretchers outside of the internet and tv. If you live in a degenerate country you have a higher likelihood of running into degens inside the hobby and out.

>>97892749
it's actually vampires, dark elves and chaos warriors, same as 40k.

>>97892789
On the plus side any LGS or Warhammer store is guaranteed to be 100% White and male, kinda like bookstores and libraries. Some of those White males are in dresses now but that doesn't change the hobby much, except maybe AoS sales go up.

>>97892386
Look at him. Look at him and laugh.

I don’t get excited by calvary, is there an army where foot slogging is rather viable/strong? Is it just dwarves?

>>97892910
What about Beastmen? I never see anyone take centigors, which are their only real "cavalry" option.

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Finished 20 slayers last week.
Now I'm working on finishing a bunch of movement trays.

>>97892933
Gorgeous looking lads, really interesting beard/hair colors

>>97892661
Nice colors!

Was the Ogres rumor legit or was it wishful thinking? I know the range in AoS is literally just the WHFB range but on circles, but between the supposed rumor of them showing up “soon” and the friction of needing to get them new bases has me procrastinating.

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>>97892999
wishful thinking, anon. Music to soothe the disturbed.

>>97892999
Don't hold your breath. It's possible, but likely wishful thinking.
Either way, we're not likely to get any big news like that until after 40k's 11th ed launches in June.

Is TOW dead? Was thinking about buying Cathay, Defenders Of The Great Bastion box I saw somewhere. I already have the first battalion for them.

I know the threads dead, but we should stop it with the bait questions.

>>97893010
It figures, I suppose I can always just finish the 4 Ironguts I have to tide me over until news. My LGS is trying to liquidate AoS stock because of their rumors so maybe I can find cheap Ogres there at the very least.

>>97893040
Can you post a link? Cmon share the sauce with us.

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>>97892933
This is gay and I hate it.
>>97892999
Dark Elves coming back first. Ogres are a long way off.

>>97892999
Wishful thinking from what we've seen. We have reliable rumors on new WoC, TK and WE stuff. With less reliable (new rumormonger) news about Dark Elves returning as the first Legacy faction followed by Vampire Counts.

>>97893048
They don’t have an online store so it’s not like it’d be much help unless you had a plane ticket. Sorry but I’m gatekeeping this place.
>>97893051
I’m surprised Dark Elves weren’t already a thing. Would make sense, they were even packed with squares still.

>>97893068
> Sorry but I’m gatekeeping this place.
Either you’re larping or you’ll give me a name.

>>97893060
>less reliable
Part of a long nonexistent faction in Ass of Smegma and now removed from the store entirely, what the fuck else could possibly happen with them? Though it would be pretty hilarious if they revamped them into Daerk™ Aelves™ and sunk dying tranny game even deeper into the shitter, GW likes to make money and this seems like a no-brainer even for them.

>>97892933
>Tranny colors
Ew.

>>97893091
It looks like they’re keeping the assassin and sorcerer in the cities range. They might be savage orcing the rest of the range away.

>>97893091
"Shadow Aelves" under the god-form of Malekith have been a thing in the lore since 1st edition.
But GW never bothered to follow up on it.

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>>97893101
>Shadow Aelves
Jesus Christ, that's almost as bad as my joke name

>>97893040
>>97893068
>shit that never happened
lmao

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>>97893116
Back in 1st ed smegmar, he was supposed to be a god of Chaos, taking the place of Slaanesh.
Now he gets to be god of his own Realm of Shadow that no one is able to invade, not even GW's writers.
Incidentally Tyrion is still active as a god somewhere but no one seems to know what he's up to.

>>97893133
>aelven
>aeldari
Fucking enough with this gay bullshit.
>malerion instead of malekith
At least they played off of "Aenarion" for this so I'm more okay with it, but "Malarion" would've made more sense.

>>97893143
>Malarion
You turned the name into a literal disease.

>>97893091
I speak the truth. I didn't say that he was wrong or unreliable. Only that he is less reliable than the other rumor mongers, by virtue of having his claims be untested, with DE and VC legacy factions being his first rumor.

I personally also think it's going to happen.

>>97892933
I love your banner, anon. There's just something special about custom made freehanded paper/foil banners. You did a great job!

>>97893143
>"aelven" bad made up word >:(
>"dawi" good :)

>>97893251
NTG but it's bad when it's pronounced nearly or fully identically to what it's meant to replace. Even a lot of AoS fans don't use abominations like "ogor" or "aelf", and on the 40k side of things, "drukhari" seems to get a lot more use than "aeldari" since the former sounds nothing like "dark eldar".
You would have a better point if you were comparing "dawi" to "duardin".

>>97893251
One is from an in-universe language which is cool and fun and sovl, the other is soulless corporate trannification of an existing word for copyright purposes. You can go back to your loony troon containment thread now.

>>97892933
Love the shade of blue, is there a /YourDudes/ reason for them not having red/orange hair?

>>97892933
>all the people pretending this isn't ass
kek

>>97893412
I don’t want to be mean but they do look like the jaw memes

>>97893412
Post your minis then we’ll judge accordingly.

>>97892933
Pure Reddit fuel

>>97892933
>people pretending this isn't ass
>even complimenting the retarded wacky banner

>>97893453
you'd be amazed how many tranny sympathizers there are on /tg/, the heresy general attacks anyone for criticizing the femstodes for example.

>>97892661
Nicely painted, anon

>>97891636
Founds fun. Hopefully your opponents let you use homebrew rules

>>97892661
Really nice, great transitions between the blue and skin.

What are some good or fun mercenaries to try for Renegade crowns? I was thinking imperial ogres with light cannons or a bonegrinder giant

Are there any good movement trays for 32mm circle bases? Most of my Khorne daemon stuff was based for 40k, and I kind of want to try them out for fantasy. I do not mind the dimensions being a little wider than normal.

>>97893091
How are your savage orcs coming along anon?

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whats the deal with this book? can you really play 6th with just it? are the lists poop/boring compared to the army books or?

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>>97892956
>>97893221
>>97893400

Thank you anons.

The reason for the colour is purely stylistical.

All my dwarfs have a blue/green colour scheme.
I use a very limited palette and avoid using any red/orange/gold/bronze/yellow etc.

While this isn't a problem for most dwarfs, with slayers I'm very limited since they have little to no clothing. So I decided to try with the hair.

The banner is the first of a series if custom unit banners. Each with the name or the motto of the unit. The hold is Tilean, so I decided to give them latin and italian mottos/names.

There's tons of lore about the hold I used to post here, but this general has been going to shit since the release of TOW so I rarely visit nowadays.

>>97893764
that was a stopgap measure before all the individual books where out so the armies are not completely fleshed out but you can play yes
can't say how bad or how different they where tho

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>>97893843
some interesting stuff. also ogres. i dont think the empire armybook had any of these unit options..

>>97893730
Savage Orc removal was more a case of James going
>hmm, these savage orcs and goblins remind me of those filthy savage niggers, better remove these before people call us racist!
while Dark Elves don't hold any such baggage, other than their fluff, which nu-GW millennial faggots have never and will never read.

>>97892910
O&G do quite well with just infantry and monsters. Beastmen, Empire, Cathay, and WoC too. You're only really dependent on cav if you're Bretonnia because you literally have nothing else to do the job of cav, though their infantry game is also great now that Exile infantry and knights on foot are in the mix.

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>>97893781
Would love to hear about your dudes, totally not so my Beastmen has the knowledge on where they’re at

>>97893900
They use to have them in 4th-5th ed, alongside winger lancers and kislevite horse archers

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>>97894069
>>97894069
yeah, i been looking lol. these niggas used to roll up to battle with giant scorpions and chimeras and shit…

>>97894117
We must retvrn

Anyone got any tips for a mortis engine proxy that doesn't look like gaudy AoS stuff?
I don't mind it being non-gritty (and besides I already have a corpse cart and a black coach) I just don't like how extremely overdone it is.

>>97894156
I’ve seen some decent stuff with the old warshrine and a number of night haunt models but it’s out of production until who knows how long. Probably best to just make it out of scratch.

>>97894117
Virtually everyone had access to the monster list.

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>>97894156
Any random evil tower or throne with some fancy floating effect?

>>97894173
That sounds sort of like what I hand in mind. What warshrine is that?
I've got a 3d printer so it's usually not a big deal to kitbash something together.
>>97894188
A throne might work. Or an altar. I think I prefer skeleton bearers, so it's more like a palanquin, than magic though. The throne looks pretty cool, I might use that.

>>97894205
The chaos warshrine, honestly if you can get the platform and a horde of ghosts it should just about do it, maybe even just skulls painted ethereal like under it.

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Some more Golden Demon models
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/4xazizwg/golden-demon-2026-adepticon-finalists-part-two/

>>97894284
That dwarf is kinda embarrassing

>>97894284
That's an odd name for a shaggoth

>>97894308
It's deep lore: shaggoths are nothing but the player characters for beings beyond the warhammer universe playing out their fantasy dreams.

>>97893251
Yes. "Asur"/"druchii"/whatever else are fine, theyre the in universe names that factions would obviously have for themselves.

"aelves" is bad because its just spelling "elves" weird. This isnt even a 40k "asuryani" situation, its just changing eldar to "aeldar" because its presumably easier to copyright.

Duardin on the other hand? Thats fine. I dont like it because I feel like Dawi fits the vibe better, but its not "dworf"

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>>97894117
It is kind of unfair that Chaos Lords get a dragon option and Empire Nobles and Wizard Lords don't, although Elspeth von Draken is a very notable exception. God I love her.
>fap fap fap

>>97894368
Sadly her model isn't particularly hot,

>>97894368
>It is kind of unfair that Chaos Lords get a dragon option and Empire Nobles and Wizard Lords don't
No it isnt? Most armies dont get dragons.

>>97894330
is "aelf" even copyrighted or trademarked or whatever? Iirc it's just an archaic english spelling anyway.

>>97894368
>It is kind of unfair that Chaos Lords get a dragon option and Empire Nobles and Wizard Lords don't
No it isnt. Empire generals are not (and should not be) good at combat.

>>97894378
7/16 of them do, even excluding the more potentials and just looking at the game.

>>97894440
So in other words "most armies do not get dragons". May as well complain chaos and elves dont get cannons.

nobody ever whines about not having manticores or not having mortars

it's almost as if the issue here is that both dragons and cannons should be nerfed

>>97894473
Manticores are available to two factions (dark elves, chaos). Unless you expand it to just mean "flying monster" in which case everyone except like lizardmen, dwarfs and skaven have a "manticore".

Likewise mortars are just stone throwers, which are far more availabe (most factions have one I believe, only lizardmen and elves dont).

>>97894452
do Hell Cannons not count as Cannons now

>>97894489
Hellcannons are stone throwers (as is the warpfire dragon they recently got).

If you want to have Hellcannons fire like cannons (specifically the big bess vampire coast had)? Be my guest, but until then theyre stone throwers.

>>97894485
yeah, that's quite some trees you're seeing, it's unfortunate you'll never see a forest in your entire life.

>>97894506
"why arent people asking for the things they already have?"

>>97894537
none of the factions without mortars/catapults are asking for mortars/catapults
none of the factions without flying-monsters-that-aren't-dragons are asking for flying-monsters-that-aren't-dragons