Roleplay is absolutely essential to TTRPG's, and everything about 'theatre kids' or 'dramafags' is just nogames and autistic tha/tg/uys trying to shift the blame.

>>97883774
I just think they should make an anti-4e or something to get rid of the "you deal this much damage in tactical combat" design philosophy for good

Rollplay is absolutely essential to TTRPG's, and everything about "nogames" and "tha/tg/uys" is just theatre kids and autistic dramafags trying to shift the blame

I have to admit the flavor for vicious mockery kind of sucks. Since it is the bards only offensive cantrip it gets spammed. You know how much it sucks trying to come up with creative insults EVERY turn. Eventually you phone it in and give a half-hearted "you suck."
Also why is it an insult. It provokes a spirit of marvel quips and is rather hard to mesh with all tones.
>inb4 flavor is free
You're right. I could fluff it as a single note played that strikes at the resolve of the enemy. A damning curse, a fearsome presence, or a single smug smile, as I play with fate.
However base flavor shapes how people engage with the mechanics and I am baffled why they chose such a obtuse way to portray the spell.

>>97884115
It's funny the first time it is cast, and not after that. It just becomes so offensively retarded that it makes bards into such a meme joke class when they are actually a very elegant and flavorful class and arguably the peak D&D class with how many elements of the game they draw together, alongside druids, paladins, and rangers. But instead they get this stupid shit. Singing in combat is already retarded in most cases, the music should be played before battle or while marching to hearten the PCs for later on.

Playing with minis in any game with tactical complexity is better and more fun than theater of the mind.
They could be nondescript cubes or bottle caps and it still would be a upgrade.

>>97883807
>>97883845
>roleplay is absolutely essential to TTRPGs
>rollplay is absolutely essential to TTRPGs
These are both true statements, and anyone who thinks they're contradictory or mutually exclusive doesn't really get the hobby.

>>97883774
It was the most based thing Bards ever got. I even use low level halfling bard bandits as basic enemy fodder and get a kick out of damaging the party by coming up with cheesy insults on the fly.

>>97883807
Roleplay is any decision made for a character who isn't oneself, regardless of putting on a retarded voice or how much unnecessary descriptions their actions are given.
Moving a figure across a map wordlessly and saying "I roll to attack" is roleplay, whether you like it or not.

>>97884751
>unnecessary

>>97883774
Bard players ruined bards.

>>97884754
Spending ten minutes on purple prose for one action is definitely unnecessary.
Even one minute is bad, because the minutes add up.

>>97884751
>Roleplay is any decision made for a character who isn't oneself
No.

>>97884793
>If you aren't just laconically rolling dice and moving your man around the map, obviously you're spending minutes on purple prose every time you do anything! There is absolutely no way to have a middle ground!

Bards should not be casters.

>>97883774
Fact: You are in fact playing the game wrong when you ignore bookkeeping

>>97885224
Really depends on the game and how granular you are being when it comes to bookkeeping. As such I don't think a blanket statement can really be justified.
That said for crawls, be it dungeon or hex, bookkeeping is indeed a important part of the game.

>>97883774
"Because I like it" is the only justification needed for playing any race, class, or gender.

Companies going "woke" is not taking anything from your own games since you can simply remove whatever you want.

You're doing a disservice to yourself as a player not writing a thought out backstory. Not to be confused with long backstory.

I'm having fun with 5E, so I will continue to play 5E.

Tieflings being basically colorful humans is better for them being a metaphor for discrimination.

>>97885493
>not taking anything from your own games
They literally removed entire pieces of the setting because of modern sensibilities, as well as changing the fundamental mechanics

>>97885540
Then add them back in your own games.
Hell, if you wanted an all white human world where women exists only to be saved from being raped by orcs, Wizards can't stop you there either.
TTRPGs as a medium lets you engage with it however you want. So no, nothing is being taken from your own games.

>>97885561
>>They didn't take something
>They did take something
>>Well add it back then

Goal posts in one move

If you have to ignore the rules the rules are badly written, and the more rules you have to ignore to make the system work for you the shittier the system is.

Rules should make the game better when you follow them and every single rule that doesn't do that is a failure.

>>97885493
>Supporting companies that hate you
Shiggy diggy.

>>97885493
>keep being a paypig
I will not and you shouldn't either. When you make posts like this, all it tells me is that you aren't having as much fun as you insist and that you are deeply insecure about your mental disability that stops you from breaking away from a terrible company you have obvious problems with.

>>97886178
I think it make sense to hate people who just whine about everything.

>>97885561
You are trying to reason with people who don't play and are far too stupid to understand the hobby.

>>97885493
>Tieflings being basically colorful humans is better for them being a metaphor for discrimination.
I prefer them being one of the designated "edgelord" races with drow rather than just being colorful humans. but your table is your table

>>97883774
Classic dungeon delving is more fun in videogames and thats the reason the hobby is now either simulationists (nearly impossible on a computer) and improv acting (social role-play, and theatre kids).

I also think this isnt a bad thing (because i am biased to simulationist style :P)

>>97888469
>Classic dungeon delving is more fun in videogames
Not if you want the infinite modularity that TTRPGs offer, without needing knowledge of coding and asset design.

>>97883774
>>97884115
Bards should never have had damaging cantrips/spells in the first place. Them having a unique niche as a dedicated support class that isn't just a healbot makes them interesting. Instead 5e incentivizes you to play them as psychic sorcerers, blasting enemies with ̶f̶i̶r̶e̶psyball and ̶l̶i̶g̶h̶t̶n̶i̶n̶g̶ psychic bolt since buff/debuff spells suck dick in 5e and 98% percent of the time you're better off spending your turn dealing damage if you can.

>>97884720
Truth tsar bomba

>>97884751
by that definition Street Fighter, Pac-Man, and Clue(do) are all roleplaying games.

>>97890350
Yes, all those characters are not their players.
Just as in a TABLETOP ROLEPLAYING GAME, the characters the players create and make decisions for are not them.

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>>97884751
>>97890837
>T. Protagoras
What are you even trying to prove by attempting to water down a definition to the point it becomes functionally meaningless? Hurr durr technically I'm roleplaying as mario when I jump on the koopas but it's not a fucking RPG (unless pic related)

>>97890883
I'm not the one calling them roleplaying games, I'm just telling everyone what roleplaying is, and yes, roleplaying has a very broad definition; the act or activity of deciding the character and behavior of someone who isn't oneself.
If somehow you don't feel like a broad term applies to your activity, maybe you should find a more apt term to describe what you're doing. It's bad enough that so many people here try to describe their activity as a game, when they try so hard to stay as far from gameplay or a game structure as possible, and focus on aspects that are independent of games.

>>97890883
I'm not the one calling them roleplaying games, I'm just telling everyone what roleplaying is, and yes, roleplaying has a very broad definition; the act or activity of deciding the character and behavior of someone who isn't oneself.
If somehow you don't feel like a broad term applies to your activity, maybe you should find a more apt term to describe what you're doing. It's bad enough that so many people here try to describe their activity as a game, when they try so hard to stay as far from gameplay or a game structure as possible, and focus on aspects that are independent of games.

I don't see why you keep bringing up video games either, this is the board for tabletop games.

>>97883774
Insulting someone so hard it causes physical harm was something historical bards could do.

>>97891306
>this is the board for tabletop games.
He said, despite insisting most adamantly on a dictionary one-size-(kinda)-fits-all definition of roleplaying instead of a context-appropriate one...
I guess questions of context are just very thorny for you?

>>97892434
I guess in addition to not knowing what words mean, you also don't know how to read.

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>>97885005
>>97885005
Bards should not exist. My table is not a place for your degenerate sexual fantasies.

>>97889619
>Bards should never have had damaging cantrips/spells in the first place
I don't know man, stuff like thunderwave where it's just a big sound wave fits perfectly with their flavor.

>>97888469
>Classic dungeon delving is more fun in videogames
Wrong.
I have thousands and thousands of hours in vidya RPGs and diablo clones and never have I had more fun than in any single night playing a dungeon crawl in ANY RPG, from D&D3e, to 4e to 5e, to genesys, to GURPS in over 20 years of RPG experience.

Here's an actual TRUTHNUKE, that is valid for all 4chan boards
>autists cannot understand how other people can have fun in a way that they can't.

>>97892923
>never have I had more fun than in any single night playing a dungeon crawl
agreed

In a good group, I love playing a versatile thingamabobber. A character that can kind of do a lot of things and pull out gadgets or spells to fix the problem.

In a video game, it's just summons and big blasting stimulation

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>>97883774
I dispute it because you provide no backing to your claim. Why are so many of you fucking losers so obsessed with making threads without putting any effort into the OP? Here's an indisputable truth: you're fucking lazy. Get some better material.

>>97894015
>I dispute it because you provide no backing to your claim.
Because it's just a stupid fucking spell that gets spammed constantly and it's always "hahahaha I insulted you to death" which is MAYBE funny ONCE, but hardly even, and after that just becomes fucking annoying. Combine that with the obnoxious Critical Roll "haha so quirky" millennial faggot streamers out there that try to turn D&D into a joke constantly, and it becomes one of the pinnacles of the homosexual disaster that is modern D&D 5e.

>>97891306
>I'm just telling everyone what roleplaying
Incorrectly.
Besides which, broad terms are often specific in context. "Play" means something very different when combined with "pretend", "snooker","a piano", or "dumb".