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Show me your terrain set ups. I don’t even give a fuck if you have minis in it.

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Finished my first model that's larger than a marine
Don't think he turned out too badly myself, excepting the wing tip I had to glue back on cause I dropped him one fucking inch onto the table.

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Started turning this manlet I got for free in a chink order into a sorcerer on disc using a 1€ pokémon token
the penis stand is reinforced with cut toothpicks glued together, and I made sure the tip was perfectly flat
Posting here rather than /wip/ because the goal is to use him as legend in a CSM army to give dark pact to a rubric squad for fluff (playing both CSM and TS with a lot of common models at the moment)

I like orks :D

>>97893783
I feel like you could've picked a darker metallic so it'd contrast more with the bright pink skin. But it's still very nice.

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>Decrepit old man barely held together with servos and chems
>T4
Just what the fuck are stats even about at this point?

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>>97893777
have a non-fantasy warham appropriate

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>>97893675
I understand from a logic standpoint because the Speedwaagh! detachment sucks so they just print some insanely pushed rules to make it work, but I dislike both how pushed the model is and how inconsistent with the other Ork stuff.
Why is he T8? GHAZGHKULL is T6!
The gun. Why is he hitting on 4s? He's the one aiming, not the grot. Nevermind the fact that gun mounted on his bike is better than the fucking gatling cannon mounted on a fucking Knight model.
Why does he have Lone Operative? This guy is zooming on a loud 20'' movement bike with a gatling across the fucking map, how the fuck is he a Lone Operative? Oh and also gets deep strike and lone op for no real reason.
Like they just pushed the datasheet to hell and back. T8 W10 3+/4++ Lone Op heals D3. Absolutely no unit in the whole Ork codex holds a candle for it, it's like he belongs to a different army. Unless he costs like 300 points why would you not put this guy in literally every single list. But it feels pushed to a point where they didn't even really think about the rules or whether they made sense, they just chucked every single fucking keyword in the planet and then gave him a bunch of broken weapons and abilities on top.
And more importantly:
WHY THE FUCK ISN'T HE A BOSS?

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>>97893797
For a comparison, a perfectly healthy space marine infused by the Emperor's holy cum has as much T and W as Yarrick

>>97893797
Selling you product. Doesn't a choice of three special rules nested inside of your choice of three special rules make you want to buy the product? Don't worry if not, the utility will have a lot of appeal to tourney players.

>>97893797
He also wields a power klaw better than an actual Warboss. He has 5 weapons and 7 abilities.
I wonder if this is just a sign of things to come and they will just start adding all sort of broken shit everywhere, because these new datasheets kinda mog everything else.

>>97893797
He's a marvel character.

>>97893763
Old Ones should've been dragons. Dragons are cooler.

>>97893797
He's juiced up on Ork belief-magic

>>97893804
>>97893803
>>97893797
At this point in time stats do not actually represent anything whatsoever, other than some synthetic value convened upon by a balance team to get the funny competitive winrate number as close to 50% as possible. Same thing WS/BS doesn't mean anything, same way anybody can have a FNP, same way every invuln is 4+, same way the same gun has different profiles in different armies, etcetera.

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>>97893797
Cassius used to be old, broken marine held together by bionics and he had T6. Straken is half machine and is used to be T4, Sv.3+ (while being topless) and S6.

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vghhhh

>>97893817
Can't you still just make the exact same army

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>>97893813
Why does this miniature have a bolt pistol sometimes

>>97893812
>synthetic value convened upon by a balance team to get the funny competitive winrate number as close to 50% as possible
He's gonna be undercosted as fuck and guard is already over the 50%.
I know the "they made it op so it sells" is often wrong, but all these late edition characters having 3 times as many rules as units up to that point makes it really hard to throw that notion away.

>>97893817
I can’t tell if those are rhinos or land raiders

>>97893798
I don't think a chaos mammoth would look that out of place in a CSM list

>>97891941
captcha slowing down made the site unusable for a bit, but it depends on what aspect of orks appeals to you.
>military theme, mercenaries, cargo cults
blood axes
>meks, big gunz, and big walkers
bad moons
>mad max vehicles
evil sunz
>grimdark barbarian hordes
goffs
>tribal barbarian hordes that do weird rituals
snakebites
>looters
deathskulls
>pirates or wildcard tribe
freebooterz

>>97893817
play old editions

>>97893830
It’d be pretty out place. Maybe in something more space wolfy

>>97893821
4e Cassius came with a bolt pistol while 5e replaced it with a combi-flamer.

>>97893833
This. I was playing Necromunda Underhive 2003 at the weekend and some guys at the next table were playing 3rd edition 40k, Eldar vs Chaos with the latter trying to overrun a Webway gate.

They played the scenario twice in an afternoon and it just looked like such good fun. All nicely painted and suitable terrain.

>>97893812
>stats don't mean anything
>models don't mean anything
>terrain doesn't mean anything
>rolls don't mean anything (rerolls)
Why even bother at this point

>>97893812
What possesses corporations to so slavishly balance the game around >1% of the active players.
Every single competitive video game that tries to do the esports thing ALWAYS wrecks the fun for casuals.
I can't even get away from it here.

>>97893825
the pick 2/3 rules might be their new hot rule idea, like damage per phase limits in 9th

>>97893844
We have only the scraps left behind in the ruins of a once great franchise and only the relics of the past to show the glory of what was lost.
It's very meta

>>97893844
>models dont mean anything
this one hurts, bros
Just had a game where a Rogal Dorn commander blasted all of its guns becaue a tiny piece of its track can see a small piece of my Telemon's base. I thought I was being sneaky hiding the telemon behind a wall and all, but wtf do models do in the end anyway?

>>97893858
Why hasn't LoS ever been a system where you have to see at least a third of the model to shoot it? I've always hated being to be 100% behind a wall in order to not be seen. Would this just cause tons of arguments?

>>97893864
>Would this just cause tons of arguments?
Yes

Vehicle facings and pie plate templates always die

>>97893864
So, replace arguing over whether or not a model is 100% in cover with arguing whether or not a model is 66% in cover?
>>97893868
Never had problems because I don't play with random retards (that cannot be shut down).

>>97893864
Then you'd have tourneyfags argue what's 1/3 of a mini is.
I'd usually say if the gun of the vehicle can see you, you an shoot with it, but then the same tourneyfags would just model their minis for advantage. That or it would shit on people who wants to kitbash.
The solution ofc would be to shoot from the line of sight if where the gun is/is supposed to be.
Why we dont have this, despite tanks can now split fire and thus not waste shots with sponsoons or necron monolith guns is simply because GW is braindead.

These constantly creeping up toughness and movement values are getting a little annoying. I might just be extra salty because one of my factions actually lost T and Mv this edition.

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>>97893797
A Challenge Met is the strongest Drukhari stratagem and singlehandedly responsible for keeping the army above 45% winrate. It costs 2cp and is so restrictive it only works in a detachment that buffs 3 datasheets + leaders. It is undeniably one of the strongest abilities in the game.

Yarrick has that stratagem for free as one of three sub sub abilities on one of his three sub abilities on one of his two abilities

>release faction
>Didn't get a codex

>>97893864
>Would this just cause tons of arguments?
Yes, it's not exactly easy and fast to agree on model thirds, especially with the kind of people who would want to shoot all your guns at you because they see your fingernail in the current situation.

The only way to resolve this shit, aside from heavily vetting the people you play with and/or playing with a game master, is to rework ranges, lines of sight and cover in a way that makes scenery not this vital for keeping your units in the game

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>everyone complaining on why yarrick is T4
>no one pointing out the new ork hits on 4+s with shooting

that is more egregious, no justifiable explaination why he does

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>>97893881
>Release faction
>Didn't post the image

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Yarrick has been t4 forever, it's like the least egregious part of his kit

>>97893885
Because the non imperium/chaos factions are so gimped, a super special ork character shooting as well as an ordinary guardsman is not that flagrant.
You can say the same thing for Yarrick, but he's already in an op faction that keeps getting goodies by GW (and whose players keep whining anyway)

>>97893868
Facings and templates only cause issues if you simultaneously play with socially inept retards and are yourself too much of a pussy to threaten them with physical violence for cheating

>>97893890
yarrick is arguably overpowered

he can order a baneblade and everything within 6" of the baneblade recieves the same order, or something like a trio of basilisks can all get ordered for 1 order

lord solar aint got shit on him and every guard list will include either one or both of them

>>97893888
From what I can tell, that came in the 5e codex. In 3e he's still T3.

>>97893885
its even crazier because the dude is driving a bike zooming around the battlefield. if he was willing to let go of the bike and just be a standard mekboy on foot he’d be a menace.

>>97893864
>a system where you have to see at least a third of the model to shoot it?
-Ummm, sweaty I believe I can see 36,74745% of your model, it's an open season *snorts*
- Ackshually you can only see 31,6444% of my model, I asked reddit what percentage that leg consistutes, too bad for you :)))

>>97893880
And the best part is it's not even the best option for him to use on that ability because Decisive Commander is even more bonkers with no unit count limits or keyword restrictions for handing out buffs.

>>97893883
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>>97893868
I guess I was considering only the games where people play against each other in a gentlemanly fashion. Good sportsmanship and all that. I figured it wouldn't be too hard for 2 gentlemen to come to an agreement as to whether a model is "shootable" rather than "visible."
Forgot this was 40k for a bit. My bad. Thanks for the explanations gents

>>97893876
>I might just be extra salty because one of my factions actually lost T and Mv this edition.
Votann?

>>97893888
Then why did Phoenix Lords go from T4 to T3 in an edition where Toughness was supposed to get stretched upwards?

Yarrick being tougher than Skitarii or Phoenix Lords is fucking retarded.

>>97893902
yarrick completely breaks action economy with orders by just bypassing it entirely with decisive command, what would normally take 4-5 orders with a mix or normal and tank commanders now only takes 1 (e.g he can order an entire block of 2 guardsmen squads, 2 chimeras and a leman russ supporting them) when normally that'd be impossible with a normal+tank commander due to the amount of units

the "tabletop version of a card game" is real, yarrick is like some new card MTG added in the latest set that makes a blue deck OP or whatever

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>>97893880
Lol fair point but you have to remember that dark eldar is a faction full of evil fucking elves with knives who live only to stab people and the imperial guard is a faction of level 1 chuds with semi automatic rifles and a bayonet if they're lucky, so an ability that might be army-defining for one could be mediocre for another.

>>97893906
The problem is, the game is long enough and is such a hassle to set up, you have no idea who you will be up against.
I always let my opponent do their skills/strats retroactively if it doesnt chage anything on my side. Like doing buffs during the shooting phase that shouldve been done in the command phase etc. Since the game is U go I go, it changes nothing. I guess my reward was getting my Telemon absolutely obliterated because a sliver of its base is visible by a sliver of a tank's treads.
I blame the game being so swingy.
Should that Telemon survive, the Rogal Dorn would be dead. That Rogal Dorn surviving also ended up shooting half my army off.

Re: the argument from 2 threads ago about Mechanicus designs being retarded

I actually like that. So often people will say that 40k takes itself too seriously nowadays. And other people will then say some things look impractical and retarded.

A fair bit of the setting should be impractical and retarded. It's more fun that way.
Also bird-winged helicopters aren't even that bad, we have had Ornithopters since Dune, the primary inspiration for 40k.
(Stilt boys may be taking it a bit far though)

>>97893921
he comes with plot armour though? it makes perfect sense in lore for him to be stronger
also fuck this new captcha

>>97893930
He can also make you shoot out of phase for free and guard shoots hard as fuck.
And charging out of phase is still extremely useful to tie things and steal objectives, which is guard is also famously bad at. :^)

>>97893921
tabletop never made any sense fluff wise and never will, best to not dwell on shit like this too much

>>97893930
Counterpoint. IG can just shoot most armies off the map.
Charging on the enemy's movement phase can fuck up HIS ability to shoot and charge.
Plus the ability to fall back for free and without risk means during YOUR movement phase you can just fall back and have the rest of your army shoot at his unit.
God forbid an army that relies on melee be good at it. No. Imperium armies needs to be good everywhere.

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>>97893930
Guard melee is often stronger than Elf melee

>>97893921
I think it would be fun it he had a rule to be stronger and more resilient when fighting orks since orks believe him to be strong

But that would have sovl and is against GWs design

>>97893938
Sounds like you and your opponent need to communicate better. You should be saying things like
>hey i'm moving my telemon here with the intent that your dorn can't see it
On your opponent's turn he should be saying something like
>i'm moving my dorn here, do you agree that it can see and shoot your telemon?
If you disagree hash it out. You're (presumably) both adults: use your words

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>>97893938
Very true. As always, the problem seems to lie more with how easily any model can die in this game if it's not completely hidden. This wouldn't even be an issue if that sliver of a toe hanging off the edge wasn't the difference between your absolute blender fuck-you model getting destroyed by their absolute blender fuck-you model.

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I would actually like to know what the methodology is for "balancing" nu40k

Because all it seems to be about is using a handful of tournament's win rates to then add or remove points, and occasionally debuff for the most egregious stuff. Meanwhile the new units always get a fawning release article that reveals [new miniatures] get re-rolls or an extra shot or a new gun.

I don't think there's anything 4D chess actually going on behind the scenes past this. No consideration of the normal games going on at clubs and LGSs.

It must have been a lot easier back in say 3rd and 4th were basically every army had basically the same weapons (i.e. the pistol-gun-cannon tiers, and then Las/Plasma/Melta/Bolter/Auto type even if renamed to suit) whilst now it's like "this is a Heavy Plasma Excorticator with 17.25 shots, not to be confused with the Plasmatic Obliterator which re-rolls on a Wednesday" or whatever else GW dreamed up last week.

Like, whatever they change about 11th it will still be "balanced" like this every quarter.

>>97893954
The hell is a melta tip?

>>97893970
They strap a grenade to the tip of their lances.

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>>97893763
Slanni when

>>97893973
Grenades can be melta?

>>97893970
Have a guess, you fucking retard

>>97893967
Codex writers and the guys who make the data sheets for new units aren't actually part of the balance team that sets point values and issues data slate errata. They kind of just make whatever they want. Codex release stuff only gets tested in pods against other codexes they are currently writing so they come in batches of similar rules. Units made outside of the codex cycle aren't ever tested or considered for how they play in their own faction, let alone against others

>>97893959
Well we're both adults, and in the end I just laghed it off. I pay it no mind, it was a fun game. I talk about it here because the subject is about how the rules are less about the models.

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My problem with the "new" (since 2015) AdMech is they don't look... idiosyncratic enough to me.

They took all those years of Blanche scribbles and mentions without any miniatures, all the potential, and I don't know. Some are weird but not enough for me personally. It's more cogfop than post-human.

>>97893980
They're usually called bombs in that case

>>97893974
>contrast paint on a tank

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>>97893980
Yes. Melta Bomb.

>>97893974
why do the space wolves look like that? are they meant to be wearing arctic camouflage?

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>>97893943
I've always thought it was fitting for a faction that doesn't fully understand the technology they're using to have these goofier designs. I like them myself but I can see why people were expecting something completely different.

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Lore let here, why does he have a whip?

>>97893967
All rules should be freely available digitally so balancing can be done regularly.
Codex should be art / fluff books that contain a snapshot of rules at one point in time.
Also GW should hire some more playtesters so they can do more than 2 games a week

>>97893997
He just is?

>>97893967
Everything makes more sense when you remember that
>they do almost no playtesting games
>they only use studio painted minis for what playtesting games they do
>codex writers write their codexes in total isolation from other codex writers
>new models are either based on what the model team feel like making or what the marketing team think will sell, rather than what benefits the game
>no model no rules/box-locked loadouts mean you can't even do minor wargear option tweaks
>release schedules are set years in advance, with codexes written and printed months to years before release so they can't take into account balance issues that arise from other codex releases in between writing and release
>but also despite the release schedules being set ahead of time, the codexes can't take into account stuff from the same faction released in later waves because stuff that hasn't been released yet can't appear in print

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>>97893997
Ask Blanche

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Let Chaos idols take this thread!

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>>97893997
because

>>97893997
Corax was a former slave, I guess it's because of that.

>>97893999
as a new 40k player coming from MTG i found it kinda nuts that rules are paywalled
isn't it strange that i have to take my opponent's word that his guys hit on 2s and reroll 1s with no (official) way that i can verify that he isn't cheating short of shelling out for a codex?
sure the rules are easy to pirate but that's not the point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_6LtoiSHAA

>>97894027
is it so hard to ask your opponent to show the rule on his book?

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I always struggle with painting space marines but I’m trying my best

>>97894030
you guys have time to READ during a game?

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Is it just me or does the site run like shit in general for some reason?

>>97893997
>Give the second whitest primarch a whip

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>>97894050
It's part of a new strategy.

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Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>97894054
>all the shitposters are actually feds coming here to stirrshit and ruin what people like to do/use during freetime, ie. ruining their circus
Bold strategy.
I thought the idea behind bread and circuses was to keep the masses placated and docile?

>>97893880
A lot of what makes A Challenge Met so strong is that it can be used anywhere in the army, and the units that it works with can be actual fucking melee threats. No guard infantry unit you can countercharge with Yarrick is going to hit anywhere near as hard as 10 wyches + Lelith, it's not really a comparable thing. BUT that doesn't mean Yarrick's rule isn't bullshit, but for an entirely different reason. The actual reason it's bullshit is that the timing of it lets you fucking rapid ingress in a Scion unit and shoot with THAT unit, and that's so goddamn stupid I'm pretty certain it's getting errata:d out within a week of his release.

>>97894072
>>all the shitposters are actually feds coming here to stirrshit and ruin what people like to do/use during freetime, ie. ruining their circus
in case you haven't noticed, there would be far fewer riots/civil unrest if they just let people have their mcjobs and enough money to live/pussy, but the feds seem intent on making life as shit as possible for average men and then release reports freaking out about it.

>>97893987
The problem with that artwork those minis are from is that I think they went too hard into the weirdness. Goat and Horse skulls with bio-tech pipes? two headed guy? Leaves no room for dark mech to look truly fucked up, and also makes them too weird to be the tech support factions for the good guy imperium GW is pushing recently.
They're the perfect look for the 'shadow Imperium' the Mechanicum is running, they are the central nervous system/the spine of the Imperium as it all falls apart without them, they just have a whole galatic empire worth of bodies to throw at any threat to their forge worlds. They get to rule these worlds outside the domain of the inquisiton and arbites and other bodies. They used to have their own Inquistion of the Dragon to root out tech heresy I think but that maybe outdated now. They could be these really strange sinister guys the average person probably thinks are traitors and heretics worshipping a different god but all that is kind of ignored for
>Guys in red robes with bionics
>Led by bigger guys in red robes

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Well? Aren't you guys happy now? No more ugly pieplates! 40k is saved!

>>97893943
I love the stiltdude. Idk why people hate him.

>>97894090
>intentionally poking the bear, annoying it
>then be surprised when it angrily growls at you
Goverment really is staffed by fucking morons who completely lack understanding of Cause and Effect.

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>>97893766
This is from my last game but I have others if you’d like to see.

>>97893825
Oh there's a big push for this lately. I don't think any new models other than Admech have turned out to not be totally broken.

>>97894108
all the "fixes" 11th ed is doing is "fixing" the visual identity of the game, not actually fixing the game

guess those images of L shaped ruins with circular markers really got to them

>>97894097
>Leaves no room for dark mech to look truly fucked up
If the darkmech has nothing original to offer without artificially limiting what the admech can look like beforehand, then the darkmech doesn't deserve to be made in the first place.

>>97894124
>then be surprised when it angrily growls at you
anon, they aren't surprised, they are looking for a pretext to fucking kill you

>>97894126
No thanks, also stop ban evading

>>97894142
I wasn’t talking to you but thanks anyway

>>97894137
Yeah, fair.
Really does show what a clown world we live in.
>civilian: I want to live in peace, have a job, have a family and grow old happy.
>goverment: I think not.

>>97894097
>Leaves no room for dark mech to look truly fucked up
If the darkmech has nothing original to offer without artificially limiting what the admech can look like beforehand, then the darkmech doesn't deserve to be made in the first place.

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>>97894137
>federal agents post in the warhammer 40k
>in a thread with 100 people max
>they do this in order to make me mad so I attack them and they can kill me

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>>97894133
Dark techpriests should just be like traitor guard and chaos marines- put some focking spikes on it.

My ideal though would be like
>dark techpriest
>he's a skull in a cockpit in a giant spider robot with arms or something

Rereading the new rules to understand them better, I find it interesting terrain features and terrain areas are distinctly different keywords in the article. Line of sight is still mentioned too, with the diagram showing the terrain feature seemingly being accounted for to detect the otherwise hidden infantry. I wonder if only the terrain areas will be standardized even in “balanced” play, so you can do any wall layout within the area for the terrain features

>>97894154
you already said that

>>97894128
The Eldar Corsair stuff, the Votann hero, and the Tyranid Prime were all kind of trash too.

>>97894162
it's crazy how everything the dark mech makes is just "I took this thing the imperium made last week and put a daemon in it" instead of "holy shit look at this fucked up abomination I created after jerking off in the eye of terror for 7000 years"

>>97894185
modern 40k is creatively bankrupt, if darkmech ever comes to pass it will be boring as fuck

>>97894072
bread and circuses is for citizens
slaves are to be kept as uncomfortable as possible to maximise productivity

who are the citizens? no one, everyone is slaves now

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>>97893906
There is no gentlemanly way to agree on such a hopelessly indeterminate measurement as "a third" of a model. There are at least three completely different ways to assess that:

>1. imagine a solid cylinder formed around the model's base (or the model itself, if you want to open another can of worms) and then gauge 1/3 of that cylinder
>2. gauge 1/3 of the model's cubic volume
>3. imagine the model as a 2D image from the perspective of the shooter, and gauge 1/3 of that 2D image's area

Don't bother thinking about which one of those you meant, because they all suck. Number 2 and number 3 are borderline impossible to even accurately gauge by naked eye and feels alone, and only someone deep in the dunning-kruger tunnel would think themselves and their brexit-yes-voting ass mates to be capable of it in-game.

Beyond that, what problem are you even trying to solve? Certainly not realism, because something 1/3 exposed can be blasted in real irl. So it sounds like it comes down to your deeply personal and fucked-up arbitrary autistic preferences, yes?

Are you just too lazy to ensure you are 100% behind something? This is what "Playing By Intent" is for. Open your mouth and talk, weakling.

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Why do normal people in normal clubs and shops have Warhammer 40k tables that look like *this* for their weekly game of 40k with friends. Not preparing for a tournament or anything, they just do this of their own free will.

It's fucking alien and bizarre to me. 40k was never like this until a few years ago.

Even if the rules make you play peekaboo, why do I never see a game of nu40k and think "that looks impressive"?

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>>97894126

>>97894202
be the change you want to see in the world
show us your immaculate table set ups

>>97894202
Half the people playing casual games see them as ""tournament practice""

>>97894185
Defiler is supposed to be darkmech so we are leaning in the direction of all the daemon in it models like forgefiend being the brainchild of the heretic fabricator-general of chaos mars.

But ideally dark mech would make vehicles that are like the leman russ with legs and a daemon head.

>>97894202
because neither the players nor stores really give a shit

both are lazy, why spend extra on terrain you'll have to actually paint? L shaped card or mdf suffices and the game doesnt require extra detail than that, it's the bare minimum

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>>97894202
I hate this soulless shit. I'm playing on tables like this with my friend, sure it's not as balanced but it does look like a game at least.

>>97894202
>why do I never see a game of nu40k and think "that looks impressive"?
that's because you've never played 40k in your life

>>97894193
>>97894206
You can end this charade at any time and become a normal poster here pukeanon

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I wish there was a proper abominable intelligence faction. Admech doesn't quite scratch the industrial robots vs eldritch horrors itch.

>>97894185
Agreed. They should really lean into the chaos corruption thing with dark mech.

>>97894225
use necron rules and convert your own evil men of iron

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>>97894209
Ok now what.

>>97894225
This doesn't look like a model, more like a fucking plastic explosion.

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>>97893766
Not exactly my set up, but from my last game.
It's a bit basic since it was at an LGS

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>>97894209

>>97893906
There is no gentlemanly way to agree on such a hopelessly indeterminate measurement as "a third" of a model. There are at least three completely different ways to assess that:

>1. imagine a solid cylinder formed around the model's base (or the model itself, if you want to open another can of worms) and then gauge 1/3 of that cylinder
>2. gauge 1/3 of the model's cubic volume
>3. imagine the model as a 2D image from the perspective of the shooter, and gauge 1/3 of that 2D image's area

Don't bother thinking about which one of those you meant, because they all suck. Number 2 and number 3 are borderline impossible to even accurately gauge by naked eye and feels alone, and only someone deep in the dunning-kruger tunnel would think themselves and their brexit-yes-voting ass mates to be capable of it in-game.

Beyond that, what problem are you even trying to solve? Certainly not realism, because something 1/3 exposed can be blasted in real irl. So it sounds like it comes down to your deeply personal and fucked-up arbitrary autistic preferences, yes?

Are you just too lazy to ensure you are 100% behind something? This is what "Playing By Intent" is for. Open your mouth and talk.

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>>97893766

>GW terrain cost too much
>look at 3rd party terrain
>costs 90% as much
What happened to the steep deals?

>>97894220
you can stop reposting the same images every thread anytime too, maybe you finally won't get banned on sight lmao

>>97894213
>>97894237
>>97894254
you okay bud?

>>97894261
probably having issues with posting, cloudflare has been shit for the past few days

>>97894257
Have you seen the price of beef, gas and eggs?

>>97894225
Leagues of Votann Ironkyn?

>>97894263
Yeah, mossad bullshit is making it impossible to post.

>>97894257
3d print terrain.

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>>97894225
>>97894230
>>97894230
C'tan shard

>New Toy (unironically, it's a toy, not a model)
>age of smegma
>golden daemon-slop
Give us some real fucking news GW. Also, how come every GD winner is looking like the same uninspired shit? NMM and extreme lighting and such, ya'll niggas know what I mean.

>>97894225
I really would love if Dark Mech uses some kind of aesthetic like this one, something techno-creepy.

>>97894257
How about you make your own terrain you lazy bum

>>97894286
Maybe the hobby isn’t for you anymore

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Gives me joy when even the pros fuck the eyes up

>>97894230
>>97894266
Ironically, Iron Warriors are the closest to what I want despite not being robots.

>>97894310
Erm... I'm pretty sure the name was Sam Gamgee, and that model's supposed to be Pippin anyway.
Why do they give a GD to someone who obviously doesn't know shit about the material?

>>97894251
You're reading far too deep into a simple "what-if" rule I thought of on a whim, man.
Was just shitting out an unspoken rule that most of the people at my LGS have been adapting to their games. We, as adults, can clearly see if a model is behind cover.
>Your gaunt's tail is poking out from that wall? No worries I can see you didn't intend for that. Not visible.
Is what happens a lot at our LGS. I was just thinking of why that'd never been attempted to be written on paper to speed things up and attempt to teach something new to the more immature folk.

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Any idea what this grey could be? Or one that looks like it. Preferrably from citadel, vallejo or ak since those are the ones I can get.

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I didn'tbuy their old CP but got the new one because I wasn't able to get the Poxwrought box a year ago. I guess when I was looking at this piece of shit in 2024 it never registered what a shit deal this actually is
>poxwalkers and some plague marines
Real tzaangor-tier shit. It's funny how world eaters went from the undisputed best CP to number 2 after plag marines.

The new necron combat patrol is the same too
>old patrol has doom scythe, lord, immortals, death marks, tomb speeders
>new patrol is warriors and that retarded war of the worlds thing

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Dark Mechanicum will never be their own faction, nor should they be.
As a CSM player, I deserve access to every cool Chaos-y model, which is also why the cult factions should be dismantled and rolled back into CSM.

>>97894309
What you finna do bout it, nigga?

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>>97894237
>But ideally dark mech would make vehicles that are like the leman russ with legs and a daemon head.
So, a defiler?

>>97894257
Terrain is models too.

>>97894338
I think the closest equivalent would be Mechanicus Standard

>>97893885
>everyone complaining on why yarrick is T4
Being half augmetics at this point should be enough to justify that.

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>>97894321

>>97894257
How about you make your own terrain you lazy bum

>>97894353
NO IT'S A SUPER RAD DAEMON TANK YOU JUST DON'T GET IT

DAEMON RUSS IS BETTER THAN LEMAN RUSS

>>97894185
Have you seen Forgefiends? Defilers? Venomcrawlers? Lord Discordants?

>>97894353
I don't care for the fleshy parts. Give me full chaos corrupted AI robots

>>97894338
Go with Pro Acryl Dark Warm or Neutral Grey

>>97893885
Personally I think it would be fine if 'normal' orcs hit on 5+s while ork characters hit on 4+s, like how marines hit on 3+s and their characters hit on 2+s

>>97894367
Most people here are too lazy to drill their barrels, anon. You really think they’re going to make custom terrain?

>>97894338
https://relaxdesignminis.wixsite.com/relaxdesignminis02/red-scorpions-painting-guide

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>>97894375
>Give me full chaos corrupted AI robots
are you having fun yet?

>>97894349
You dont belong here anymore

>>97894388
I actually bought a box of these little guys because I had a cool idea of what to do with the spare parts.

>>97894388
They don't look THAT bad (from the front)

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>>97893894
>>97893888
Yarrick was T4 back in 2E too

>GW terrain cost too much
>look at 3rd party terrain
>costs 90% as much
What happened to the steep deals?

>>97894388
Fuck what where they thinking? Really TS deserve to be shit on so much?

>>97894353
I dont like how round the new Defiler is, I liked boxy look of old even if it needed update

>>97894397
why is yarrick fighting a kharadron overlord?

>>97894403
They're the same size so nothing is stopping you from playing with the old model.

>>97894388
If this were something mobile it could have been fun but it’s boring.

>some fags asking for ig with spikes
>others want mechanicus with spikes
chaos is so tiresome... if we are gonna a new faction i think we deserve something better.

>>97894402
All chaos cult codex deserve to be shit on as they should had never been a thing.

>>97894399
scratchbuild more

>>97894050
Well you atleast can post images.

>>97894397
Regular commissars, senior officers, etc. were too. High ranking inquisitors were S5 T5, same as Marine captains.

But we can have 10000 flavors of different marines brother?

>>97894399
3rd party terrain has never been cheap. That's basically been true forever. From the time of 3rd edition when GW had one (1) tiny ruins set and one (1) short ass trees set all the cool 3rd party terrain was resin, and expensive, to the lasercut MDF era, which was also expensive, to the current era of 3D printing, which is also expensive.

All of those materials are heavy and terrain is generally bulky, so shipping has always been a bitch as well.

Getting your own FDM printer seems to be the way to go (I do not have one, and I'm not doing printlet propaganda). Some of the MDF bulk deals are probably also ok, where you get a table's worth of terrain for $200 or whatever. But MDF terrain is not that attractive.

>>97894433
Yes I was attempting to make a post showing that about Commissars with an inage but the site is running so as shit right now so I can't.
Yarrick's initial WD rules during RT also had him as T4.

CAN I FUCKING POST NOW

>>97894402
>>97894396
they're supposed to basically be statuary. Where GW fucked up and where I woulda done it differently is include stuff like plants and stone debris you can model on them to make it look like they've been stationary for a long time and are waking up now that the T-sons have come to collect on their debts.

And as long as they're going full egyptian they should also have like a robot necrosphinx and a hierotitan from fantasy.

Incidentally I was going through my OLD fantasy boxes from 2009 and in the wood elves, bwetonnian and ogors boxes I noticed that GW used to include a lot of basically free basing materials and terrain. The catachan box is like that too, Lots of plant sprues for making your guys look jungle-y. Now GW would charge 35 bucks extra for a "Wood Elf Forest Terrain bits sprue".

>>97894399
Some people on ebay are so fucking stupid with their pricing, I sometimes send them random messages calling them retards if they are selling a single terrain piece for 200$ plus that’s painted like shit.

>>97894450
>>97894450
sex

>>97894451
The thing is, they do not look like statuary. They have mechanical chassis' beneath armour plating, and weaponry with visible ammo racks. The whole design was just a flop.

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Also this website is in shambles, wtf is going on with the posting issues!

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Someone was here yesterday looking for a way to get some of that dark eldar/drukhari shit for not millions of dollars. Here's some lots I found on ebay that are somewhat reasonably priced. You got a ravager and two venoms for 60ish~ bucks (no crew), the lower left corner is selling the Maelstrom box without the Hellions and Succubus for the old "start collecting: 2017" prices so that's cool and the combat patrol for about 50 bucks off the GW price.

>>97894478
nobody wants your dogshit posts here anyway

>>97894402
they wanted to give thousand sons a pity hero model
they couldn't sculpt a good pity hero that wasn't a redundant sorcerer
they dug up the concept works for TS themed statues and sphinxes and not-dreads and made something small out of those
It was a nonsensical thing to sell as a pity hero so they sold it as a pity unit instead

if they were twice the size they could have worked as magnus's bodyguards

>>97894478
Rope up yourself mutant

>>97894468
I hate to be that guy, but convert and paint my friend. YOu can be the decider who makes their stiff design look properly like statues coming to life like the Ushabti- which was GW's intention even if they fucked it up because their painting/modeling team is retarded.

>>97894462
oh hey that thing i dont get and supposedly is overrated

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I'm so tired of everything wanting to have their special dudes that I'm starting to appreciate basic subfactions like cadians more.

>>97894439
MDF is not expensive, but looks bad, and printing is also fairly cheap if you do it yourself.

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>>97894388
Honestly a lot of it is the boring color scheme, I think these are really cool.

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>>97894257
Time to add a new tool under your belt

>>97894468
I hate to be that guy, but convert and paint my friend. YOu can be the decider who makes their stiff design look properly like statues coming to life like the Ushabti- which was GW's intention even if they fucked it up because their painting/modeling team is retarded.

>>97894478
buy a pass ;)

>>97894498
it's only overrated if it's devoid of emotions, if you do it with someone you care about it's unironically one of the best things you can ever experience

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>>97894484
>>97894492

>>97894501
TS anon deliver again.
I built both of mine with claws I hope I won't regret it.

Why this site isnt working since a long time ago?

>>97894487
>they couldn't sculpt a good pity hero that wasn't a redundant sorcerer
What's wrong with sorcerors? Why can't tsons have a bunch of like
>aspirant acolytes- mortal sorcerors inducted into the wizard orders of the Tsons, lead by a Occult Master to launch spells and shit at the enemy and armed with ritualistic power knives
>Terminator Sorceror Supreme- a Terminator Sorceror but he doesn't lead occult guys and he rides on a disc of tzeentch
>Sorceror Hermiticanth, a sorceror who has shed his power armour in favor of using magic to tank bullets and shit
>Sorceror Mutagent, a sorceror who is slowly succumbing to the mutations in the tsons geneseed and has like a bird head with ten eyes or some shit
>Silver Tower, a sorcerous 'vehicle' that sorcerors ride upon which buffs their spellcasting and shit
>Tzaangor Supreme Shaman
They're literally the sorceror army!

>>97894527
Vibe coding

>>97894501
Of all the ideas they could use to give more models to TS they choose the worst one

>>97894502
You can't do this in 40k because all the giant bases can't fit on it

>>97894534
>Khorne= Good Codex release
>Slaanesh= Acceptable Codex release
>Nurgle= James' favorite
>Tzeentch= Forgotten and fucked
Why is like this?

>>97894527
well you see jimmy, after 2021 President Bidet decided to bring in lots of h1b jeets. President Dumpf decided to keep them. Now cloudflare is run by jeets who have degrees from Durgasoft, so they don't realy know how to code websites and shit but they know the Almighty AI will give them the vibecode they need. Such is life when you hire pagans who worship deformed babies with four arms and one lung as incarnations of their demon gods.

>>97894549
All part of the plan.

>make lore about my custom chaos warband's different specialized divisions to justify how they can use different detachment rules from one game to another.
>they sound ridiculously snowflakey and I'm embarrassed to bring them up
help me

What ratio of foliage/terrain to open space should there be on a jungle table? I want to make one for my Raptors.

>>97894247
This board is actually pretty fucking boring. The whole selling point is "titan wrecks" and it's not even done well.

Midwit board.

>>97894561
so they sound like the average 40k faction?

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>thinking about buying the Aeldari Corsairs combat patrol
I want to paint the wave serpent/falcon using the color scheme for FTL pirate ships. The idea is that it is a stolen craftworld ship.

Any ideas for the colors on the other models? I don't want them to be too similar to regular craftworlders or drukhari.

>>97894564
>my ideal
The whole boardi s one big forest, with a few resin streams and muddy ground
>practical for a 40k game
Grab that wyldwood forest terrain set from age of sigmar. There you go, there's your jungle.

>>97894561
Make a "Boss" for every sub-faction and only use said boss while playing with his bespoke detachment. It's interactive storytelling

>>97894561
Isn't that just 30k era Dark Angels? You could say they are a Fallen/Traitor DA origin warband that retained and expanded upon the Wings.

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/m3son4il/new40k-combat-changes-shake-up-fighting-in-the-new-edition/

Changes to the fisticuffs phases
2" is the new 1"

>>97894580
Looking around on google I found this one, some trees and structures on teddy bear fur grassland. Green fur would pretty effectively mimic elephant grass I think.

>>97893812
This is what happens when you don’t gatekeep. The game has been stolen by comp subhumans and ruined for everyone else. And 11th is more of the same.

>>97894612
I forgot the pic like a spastic but it’s not letting me post it anyway. This place is a fucking toilet.

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>>97893812
>At this point in time stats do not actually represent anything whatsoever
They could. With some luck now that Crudd is gone we can get the new guy to copy 30k for next edition.

>>97894572
You could do all the models in something similar, or just focus on the red. I think eldar look great in red. Maybe use a darker red and no white to avoid people thinking they're Saim-Hann.

>>97893819
Right now in 10th? Barely. It's technically legal but every single unit there other than terminators have had intentionally shit rules all edition and zero balance changes. Come 11th I'd be surprsied if they are even in the codex at all.

>>97894539
If they were corrupt men of iron for CSM I would have bought like 6
Who plays Thousand Sons and thinks "It really needs robots"?

>>97894657
There's a guy playing Salamanders with like 4 tactical squads and all firstborn stuff out there winning tournaments.

>>97894598
Everything so far looks like an improvement. Still can't fix most of 10th's issues without changing how datasheets work but this is good. Revering to 9th's points system will make or break 11th.

>>97894666
Yeah if they don't go back on free* wargear I may very well be skipping two editions in a row

>>97894598
Every week this looks more like a melee edition

>>97894598
If 2" is the new 1" is this a good thing for all the melee armies that have that 6" consolidate stuff?

>>97894680
Orkchads stay krumpin’

>>97894643
>Intelligence 2
Me IRL

>>97894183
>when zoomers just stop taking it and start taking what they want en mass.
You won't do shit, kid

Chaos necrons soon.

>>97893847
Yeah, it's just gonna suck when your army is late in the edition so none of your characters get it, and if they decide it's an "epic hero only" thing it means named characters are even more pushed in an edition that nerfs the hell out of enhancement availabiliy.

On the bright side, they might put it on every single Psyker and Chaplain type model to start bringing them back to their usefulness in 9th. If a Dogmata gets to replace their OC bonus with with their old "+1 Str and Attacks, +1 AP, fight again at end of phase" it'd be amazing.

>>97894721
Give chaos squats with chaos androids

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>>97894680
It's time cowards.

>>97894598
Standing 49mm from a wall to exclude 50mm+ bases seems like a way less egregious trick than the 24mm bullshit to block normal infantry. It should just be banned, but at least the new engagement range severely reduces the problem. Am I missing something?

>>97894495
We are talking about whether or not the models look good, retard. I don't play Thousand Sons . I'm a better converter than you.

>>97894598
>>2" is the new 1"
But you have to end your charge move base to base. Not within 2"
So technically charge is harder now.

10th was so awful, I genuinely do not understand how anyone can be hyped for 11th knowing it’s just tweaked 10th. Maybe I am in the minority, but I think 10th was the worst edition of 40k I have ever played. And I’ve played 6 different editions.

>>97894598
Will need to see what it means for a unit to be "Engaged". If I place a unit behind another unit and you can't charge it, does that mean all your models need to stop 2" away from the back unit and won't be able to pile in? Who'll get to attack? If I have a jump pack unit and they roll a 12" charge and there's a unit and another unit behind them, can I drop in between and pile-in two different directions or will I need to maintain coherency?

The overrun rule utterly nullifes the value of fragile screens like kroot. Now you can only screen with tarpits. Though it also increases the value of heroic intervention since sometimes you'll want to HI with a shit unit just to keep the enemy from getting a second pile in.

>>97894792
t. Rhino rush pro

>>97893970
Melta bomb on a stick

>>97894792
Yeah, unless they announce wargear point costs then I'm not particularly excited.

>>97894792
Do we know its just tweaked 10th or is that just the current opinion of the thread?

>>97894818
Codexes still work in 11th so it cant be that different

>>97894792
The consensus I’ve seen is it’s boring, but still infinitely better than 7th. Literally the only complaints I hear often are the shitty terrain and lack of wargear point costs. Oh, and the requisite bitching about how marines are too good and reroll everything.

Chaos vindicator for thousand sons y/n?

>>97893812
I like how everything just hits on 2's now instead of having comparative values for weapon skill.

>>97894829
Yes but make it a magic cannon

>>97894829
Getting squatted

>>97894828
>10th is infinitely better compared to 7th
the fuck you mean? every edition is infinitely better compared to 7th!

>>97894072
That was before MK Ultra, the chief discovery of the program being that keeping people afraid and traumatized works better.

>>97894818
GW have been regularly posting articles explaining the tweaks.

>>97894843
So then you didn’t play at all in 7th? Since you said 10th is the worst edition you’ve ever played.

>>97894792
I don't want a chain of index editions

>>97893812
I like how everything just hits on 2's now instead of having comparative values for weapon skill.

>>97894828
Yeah 10th was a complete fucking joke, especially with how my army was mishandled. Newer datasheets are also a fucking joke so I guess I'll just paint for another edition.

I've solved the equation by playing necromunda while collecting and painting 40k armies

>>97894818
They said all books are still valid, so it can't be anything more than tweaking. Sadly.

>>97894257

Toilet paper rolls

>>97894860
One day 40k players might realize what they actually want is 2nd edition.

Using spray painted empty coke cans as fuel tank terrain!

>>97894860
Yeah I don't think I am the target audience for 40k anymore. The core rules are just so bad, everything has been dumbed down to a sad degree. With crunch being added through rules bloat on top. It's the absolute worst of both worlds. 10th has been an unmitigated disaster but sales seem to say that people want this slop, so I am in the minority I guess

>>97894873
Are they going to retroactively give all the existing detachments a point value, or something?

>>97894885
I’m currently turning some coffee cans into Ork fuel storage

>>97893812
I like how everything just hits on 2's now instead of having comparative values for weapon skill.

>>97894828
Yeah 10th was a complete fucking joke, especially with how my army was mishandled. Newer datasheets are also a fucking joke so I guess I'll just paint for another edition.

>>97894598
Doesn't this vastly devalue the Fights First rule? Everything else seems like an improvement, though.

>>97894598
>base sizes are in mm
>distances are in inches
I hate the bri'ish so much

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>Orks are going to get first-codex syndrome after having the only passable book from 10th
>Boyz, Nobz, and Gretchin will all double in price with Stormboyz inevitably going to nearly triple for useless Kill Team shit
>The Stompa keeps going out of stock to the point where people are genuinely fretting that it'll get Legends'd

>>97894917
It's just going to be like how it worked in 9th, where Fights First wasn't really that big of a deal and not super valuable outside of corner cases.

>>97894928
wait until you find out 60mm bases are actually 65mm bases and 32mm bases are 30mm bases sometimes

>>97894929
at least you're not admech

>>97894917
It's literally AoS fighting now, but even less room for pile in tricks seen everyone piles in before anyone even swings. Given the rocket tag nature of 40k, it will mean you never charge in an even number of units unless you have some way to jump activations because your second unit will get hit before they get to strike (hence only charge odd numbers of units, so two of your combat units generally get full attacks on target while one unit will get fucked up before it can swing).

>>97894937
or any other fucking shooting army
fucks sake combat was already pushing my shit in

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>>97894598
Doesn't this effectively reduce everyone's charge range by 1 if you have to end charges base to base rather than in engagement range?
Isn't that a big nerf to melee armies?

Idea: everyone gets to fight before removing casualties

The current rules setup for 11th means that if Lelith Hesperax and 5 Wyches gets charged by 5 Space Marine Scouts, the scouts will, most likely, kill the Wyches and leave 1 guy locked in combat with a Lelith that can't fall back, unless she uses her once per game ability

Wait so... Are all the 11th edition codexes going to have new detachments in addition to the 10th edition ones? Or are the going to sell the 10th and 11th edition codexes side by side to get all the rules for each faction?

>>97894943
You didn't read the article did you?
Chargers still get fights first you dope. You'll get to fight with all your chargers before they even get 1 swing back unless they have a fights first unit, or spend the 2cp to interrupt (unless that's gone, too)

?>>97894959
elith and Jain Zar points are probably going to drop by a lot.

>>97894943
That is only true if your opponent has a bunch of things with Fight First, you still go with all the units you have charged with before the opponent can swing if he doesn't have Fight First.

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