Path to true creativity is though not consuming any media at all, that way your every though is guaranteed to be original.

>>97901480
That’s even worse. There’s such a low barrier for entry to be deemed a fan of fantasy. Any unwashed retard who hasn’t read any other book but The Hobbit is deemed a fan of fantasy, for instance, but seems to also be seen as exemplary of fans of the genre. You should read way more than Tolkien or Rowling or Hobb or Redwall to be considered a fan. We know you can’t just say you’re a fan of sci fi just because you read one Star Wars novelisation. But we, for some reason or another, do not consider an illiterate Tolkiendrone as what they are: someone who doesn’t read. If you’re going to get into fantasy, you should draw from sword and sorcery, weird fiction, adventure romances, the Romantic period, and more.

>>97901461
How can you be said to even understand the genre of fantasy enough to run a fantasy game if you don’t read fantasy novels, short stories, nor poetry?

>poetry

POET HANDS WROTE THIS POST. DISREGARD THE WHOLE POST

>>97901487
That's a common characteristics of fandoms, barrier of entry is usually very low. Many soccer fans don't even play the game. Vidya fans often fixate on just one specific genre. And so on. A fan is largely meaningless self-appointed descriptor.

>>97901461
I think you should read all kinds of things, not just fantasy. Personally, every time I go "I'm running [game x] so im gonna immerse myself into the literary tradition of [genre x]!" I end up having a bad time. Just read a lot, read many different genres, read history, read nonfiction, and be quick to quit a book if it's not grabbing you. The rule I use is ([your age]-100) pages and if you aren't digging it, move on to the next one.

>>97901461
Reading books takes effort and nu-fandoms are composed mostly of tourist who see hobbies as social events and not as things in which to invest time and effort.
>>97901487
Shouldn't you be completing your own book instead of seething about Tolkien, Martin the fat fuck?

>>97901461
>Reading is somehow magically special
Get a load of this retard

Reminds me how those /lit/ faggots are all entirely about philosophy and haven't read a single farming manual or historical manuscript in their lives.

>>97901970
>manual
>historical slop
>for writing good fantasy
why are zoom-zoom tourist so stupid

>>97902031
>Why would knowing facts help me write fiction?
>Why would knowing about the past and about how farming works help me write a fantasy?

Christ, you children are doomed.

>>97901527
You clearly do not own a vorpal sword

>>97902036
>knowing random "facts" = good writing
>knowing random historical facts = fantasy
you have to be 18 to post here

>>97902071
Fuck, you niggers can't even READ.
This is so bleak. How do I prevent this tragedy from happening again?

>>97902096
try Alt + F4

>>97901461
Proof?

>>97902099
So the height of your wit is... trying to have me close a browser?
Not even, like, a video game that could maybe take a minute to boot up and then have a full server, no, a browser who can be rebooted and back on the same page within the span of time it takes my hand to close.

>>97902173
kek mad

>>97901461
Ever tried reading a rulebook?

I give it 75/25 chance on weather the troll is the OP or if he just decided to make someone else's thread unusable on a whim.

>>97902410
Only troll here is you, retard.

>>97901461
I would go further than this. One should read not only fantasy, but also history, philosophy, religious texts, and traditional literature. Understand the genre and its conventions, yes, but also how people think, how they approach the miraculous,

But one should not only read, one should also watch—pacing in a game is vastly different from pacing in a written work, and movies and television shows will give you a better sense for what makes a good back-and-forth. Classic movies are beloved for a reason, and anything that became a cliche was once resonant and impactful. One of my friend loudly derided the “Who’s on First?” sketch as overdone and unfunny until he was finally shown an original Abbott and Costello performance of it, at which point he couldn’t stop laughing. Understand why something was first emulated and you’ll understand what actually worked and why imitations fall flat.

Also watch any adaptations of works you’ve read. Understand what changes they made and why they made them, even if you disagree with those changes. Were they for audience appeal? Pacing? Simply trimming the fat? The games you run are for your players as well, not just you, and so you should take into account why different people might have made decisions you wouldn’t have.

Multi-season television shows can also provide important perspective on pacing decisions and when they do and don’t work. When does filler feel like filler? When does it feel like a natural delay? Does a single, central conflict drag on too long? Does the show fail to deescalate properly between multiple successive villains or threats?

>continued

>>97901461
>>97903020
And not only should you watch, but you should also play. Video games, as a medium, are old enough that we have beloved classics that are worth experiencing - not for inspiration in mechanics or puzzles, but for perspective on a narrative unfolding while you control one of the characters. Play those, understand why they’re beloved classics, and then play more modern games. Understand the changes, why they were made, and which ones you disagree with. Ganondorf sniping the Triforce in Ocarina of Time was an impactful moment, but how many games force you to stand around and act like an idiot to force the plot line forward? If you understand when you feel constrained, you’ll have a better understanding of how to avoid evoking the same feeling in your players.

You’ll note I’ve increasingly focused on looking for flaws in works. Admiration and enjoyment are all very well, but they merely encourage imitation and repetition. When something doesn’t work, when it annoys you, you’re inspired to something new.
>I could never build a world as vast and immersive as Tolkien
is a sentiment that leads to complacency and a mere attempt to copy what worked. By contrast,
>Jesus Christ, I could make a more coherent global conspiracy than this Rowling bitch
will push you to do just that. If you seek to improve, you need to understand what improvements to make. It isn’t just a case of “I enjoy this work” or not, and you should never disregard something just because you personally don’t like it, but rather a question of what makes for a harmonious experience and what annoys you.

So read great books and read terrible books. Watch films you could see again and again, but also endure a season or two of serial crap that offends you. The important thing is that you never stop thinking, never stop analyzing the work before you. Never passively consume, but actively devour.

>>97903020
>>97903074
One final note: While people may dislike it when “serious” games get too comical, good comedy is a function of timing - and timing is also crucial to both horror and drama. So don’t eschew something simply because it isn’t the tone you want. Understand comedy as well as tragedy, consider how tension builds in horror through the lens of a punchline, and you’ll be better equipped to execute on any tone when it becomes appropriate. Moreover, understanding what makes something funny can help you avoid accidentally making something humorous when it’s supposed to be serious.

>>97901461
Reading matters. People who "don't read" are not worth engaging. They do not have active minds.

Fantasy novels are pretty trashy, but there's nothing wrong with reading trashy things. But read history and literature, too. And poetry is good! Poetry (as opposed to free verse) improves your language skills and intelligence.

>>97901487
Even fans of "sci-fi" will tell you that Star Wars is space opera, not "sci-fi".

>>97902181
This Anon is correct to ask such a question. Rulebooks are the only books that matter to playing games.

>>97901487
Pretty bad bait. Tolkien is easily the best writing in the "fantasy" genre. Hobb is certainly up there. If by "sword and sorcery" and "weird fiction," you're thinking Conan and Cthulhu, you're an illiterate. Lovecraft and Howard are just terrible writers. They have poor writing skills and their use of language is clumsy and poor. I mean sure: read them. Read everything. But you'll get very little out of those two. Because they were bad at writing.

But I'm all for Romantic and Gothic novels. So at least you got that part right.

>>97903186
The anti-tolkien cuck doesn't read. He has this same shtick in /lit/.

>>97903186
I wouldn't call them 'bad' writers anymore than I would call Camarilla a bad novel.
They were pioneers creating a new style. Primitive would be just fine, tho.

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>>97901487
To be fair, not enough people are reading the classics. They'll read chink cultivation novels or manhwa and then try to apply that shit and it's just a fucking garbage mess. I would say the bare minimum for fantasy lit is:

>LotR
>The first 3 books of ASoIaF
>The Belgardiad and optionally the Mallorean
>Dragonlance Chronicles (the first 3 books) and optionally Dragonlance Legends (the Twins series)
>Either Wheel of Time or Malazan Book of the Fallen or both
>The first three Earthsea novels

>>97903818
I read all of that, only one worth remembering is lotr. Earthsea has great magic system, but that's about all there's good about it. Less said about the rest, the better.

stfu nogames

>>97903811
Howard wasn't creating jack shit. He was a hack who wrote pulp poorly by opening a thesaurus and saying "know what this sentence needs? Fifteen more adjectives and adverbs that say nothing." And Lovecraft was only creating a "new style" insofar as "run-on-sentences of an author trying to work out what he's describing in real time but never quite figuring it out" counts as a style. They were both just terrible writers. They weren't any good at it.

No such thing as should. /thread.

>>97903978
>Tolkien bad!
>Howard bad!
Zoomercuckold...

>>97904585
>Can't read
Average /tg/ poster, honestly. No one said Tolkien was bad. Tolkien was impressive. His work is considerably better than genre novels. It's silly to consider his work part of the "fantasy genre." But if we want to, then we gotta admit that his work is ten times the quality of virtually anything in that genre. Howard, on the other hand, was a hack who wrote poorly. His writing is genuinely low quality.

Taking the bait.

The problem isn't really not reading. I mean, it kinda is, these games being about, you know, conservations and words, but still: there is a shitton of RPGs based on visual medias. Some pretty good.

But how many of those fill the majority of gaming nights? I think 99% of the time, we're talking about games that at least present themselves as book-based, dnd being the chief one. Of the appendix E almost 60 authors, I think you'd be lucky to find that someone in the group read 4 of them.

(your mileage may vary on the goodness of the list. Myself I loathe to admit that Gygax was like 100% more of focus of that - still, this is what the game should be about)

>>97904773
Meant of course conversations.

>>97901461
Surely everyone posting on /tg/ reads for pleasure, even if it is just old Dragonlance novels or the like?

>>97905467
I don't know about others, but personally I read out of spite.

>>97901487
I wish more people read pre Tolkien works.the nightlands is a very fun piece. I'm doing a read of worm ouroburos now. Fantasy used to be crazy diverse of concept before the 80s and the tolkien clones.

>>97901461
I prefer history. Xenophon, Arrian, Amian, Prokopios, Thucidydes and many others mog most fantasy books

>>97903864
stfu nogames

>>97905703
nightlands a shit

I recently read the book Fire Caste, my first 40k book in a while, on the recommendation of an anon.

It was a good book. Thanks for the rec, whoever you are.

>>97901461
I do read fantasy books. Problem is that a good majority of fantasy books written today are "romantasy" slop for women.

>>97906174

The nightlands is bad in a lot of ways, a lot of ways. But there is a really good half of a story. A lot of unused potential in the established world and even more what we don't know. The author choosing to write like a retard wasn't a boon either. However it is rather unique which is appreciable. The world is interesting

>>97903186
>>97903978

Holy shit !
Are you the same retard from the Lovecraft thread on tv who has a hateboner for Lovecraft ?

You are mentally and spiritually I'll if you truly believe that Tolkien is anything but the most generic and pedestrian fantasy ever written.
How are you still alive and not been crushed by the sheer weight of your worthlessness and general shittyness ?

>>97906704
>Are you the same retard from the Lovecraft thread on tv who has a hateboner for Lovecraft ?
No idea what you're talking about. Lovecraft had poor writing skills. This isn't a controversial thing to say. It's a nearly-universal consensus. Poorly read dorks who think it's edgy and don't know better are his only fans.

Tolkien didn't write "generic fantasy." He didn't write "fantasy" at all. He was a brilliant linguist who invented what you think "generic fantasy" is, but he what he wrote was a modern take on the arthurian romance.

>>97906755
Damn, my condolences anon for your existence.
I wish someone could help you but you sound terminally retarded.

You can find solace in the fact that your life will end one day and thus unburden you of the continued misery and suffering that is your daily existence.
I hope that day comes soon. I think it would be a benefit for everyone.

>>97906768
So when I called you poorly read and edgy, you thought you'd prove me wrong by making threatening me on the internet?

>>97901461
Reading fantasy to create your own fantasy is like fishing from a fish bowl. All the fantasycucks do it and its why the genre is a giant circlejerk of the same 20 ideas over and over.

Read almost anything but fantasy.

>>97906788
No threat anon just pure shock and genuine sadness.
I admit, I was a bit mad at first, but after reading your latest post I got sad for you.
Anyways, just to ive you a proper answer.
Stop echoing reddit takes. Tolkien was a thief and a hack that copied Greek, Scandinavian and Celt mythology. He didn't even change the names. Look it up.

As for the language he "invented" I can assure you he didn't invent shit. He just copied an ancient Hellenic dialect that due to his profession obviously had access to.

Don't parrot retarded opinions of worthless people and do your own research.

>>97906803
This is unfortunately true.

>>97906803
Eh. Read everything. Nothing wrong with fantasy. Most of it takes what, a day, maybe two, to read a novel of? Read trashy fantasy. Read history. Read essays and literature and poems. Read smut. Hell, just for pathetic fanboy over here? Even go ahead and read Lovecraft. It sucks but there's nothing wrong with reading shitty novels. You'll get more outa reading Twilight than you will from watching the greatest film ever made.

>>97906808
>Stop echoing reddit takes. Tolkien was a thief and a hack that copied Greek, Scandinavian and Celt mythology. He didn't even change the names. Look it up.
He didn't "copy" them, you moron. He was a leading scholar on anglo-saxon / old english language and was intentionally writing a modern version of a romance.

Zoomers throwing shit at themselves.

>>97906836
That's why I told you that your death would be a mercy. Anyways you sound like a retarded, autistic kid.
Go suck Tolkien's dick and leave this thread.

>>97906849
What an insightful response. Kinda hit the nail on the head w/ "Poorly read dorks who think it's edgy and don't know better are his only fans." Didn't I?

>>97906855
I have read things you will never even discover in your life kid.
It is you who clearly has not read the things he hates.

Also, your literary level is obviously pretty low since you believe that Tolkien is some kind of high literature and Lovecraft is edgy.
These are the most reddit/normie takes one could have on the matter.

>>97906865
lol

>>97906865
I know, I know... you think having contrarion opinions makes you special. Know why everyone thinks Tolkien wrote well? He did. Know why everyone thinks Lovecraft wrote poorly? He did. And these are obvious facts to people who read. Is it also too "reddit" for you if I tell you that the sky is blue?

>>97901461
>You can’t just base your universe of video games and visual media.
I can, and it will be 1000x more fun and interesting for me and my friends than tolkein clone #26309860983246098346.

I don't need to read dusty old books by smelly old christcucks. All I need for a good setting is:
>Whatever I think is cool
>My fetish
>A system to apply it to

I don't need to read about hairy midgets and other hairy midgets with knife-eared femboys being groomed by an old man in a pointy hat or whatever edgeslop ASoIaF pushes like dragonfucking or incest or whatever, I can produce something suitable for my table without catering to normie shit.

>>97906914
Yes I know. Because people do not actually read Lovecraft and because they have seen the LOTR movies. This is literally the basis of your argument.

Of course the correct take looks "contrarian" to the eyes of uncultured swine.
Just admit you do not read anything.
You just watched the LOTR and hobbit movies and though that they are the pinnacle of western literature even though you never actually read the books.

You are literally the very definition of a scrub.

>>97906940
Find things you like and read those instead, anon. You don't have to read anything in particular. Read anything at all. You like your fetishes? Go check out Literotica. I guarantee you that there's some damn fine smut catering to your needs set in a fantasy world.

>>97906953
This got sad back in >>97906865

>>97901461
Well, you can based it off video games and visual media which often in turn based their ideas off of novels, short stories and all. However, they might miss something by not reading it and often replacing it with something else they made or saw that fits what they want. We see it happen all the time. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't and the IP is shit.

Many woke fantasy are clearly just wearing fantasy a skin suit to push their woke slop around then are shocked no one buys it and mocks it. This is why many woke fags try to use old IP and change everything keeping only the names and a few key images to push their woke slop and it rarely works. (Look at She-Ra, Ring of Power, Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who, etc.)

>>97903818
>no King of Elfland’s Daughter
>no Princess Bride
>no Beowulf
>no 1001 Nights
>recommends fucking Dragonlance
Either exquisitely crafted bait or mentally stunted poster

>>97901970
The Farmer's Almanac counts for a farming manual, I do believe.

>>97903083
This might be really great advice but I despise comedy down to my core.

>>97903818
Wheel of time is hot microwaved garbage

>>97901461
>>97901480
the best source of inspiration is reality. but yeah, the more quality you seek, the more reading there will have to be.

>>97906953
I've read all of HPL's stuff tho.

>>97906960
Yeah agree you are sad.
Just do everyone a favor and choke on Tolkien's cock while you stfu.
Nobody wants to hear reddit opinions from a retard.

>>97908129
Nobody actually reads his works stop lying. Everybody just parrots the memes and the moronic reddit opinion. This is a well documented fact.

You’re all pretentious assholes who’s too busy getting high off your own farts to actually create anything beyond “drivel”.

>>97908731
Zoomers (like the ones in this thread) don't have the energy to create. They spent all their energy gloating and being contrarians and doing twitter fights. Because the only think they have been taught to care about is clout and social validation. Being approved for liking something is more important than actually reading it.

>>97908087
I'd never previously met anyone who actually hates fun. What's that like?

>>97908058
Dragonlance is good for high fantasy tho.

>>97908669
Shadow Over Innsmouth is my favorite story from him :)

>>97908881
It's just low-brown humor. Absurdist humor like Freddie got fingered out Grandma's boy I love. I just find so very little comedy that makes me laugh. I like oh God! If that redeems me any.

>>97908058
None of the things you listed except Dragonlance are fantasy. Fantasy is a genre of popular literature and, more than anything else, it's a marketing term. It's not "anything with magic lol."

>>97908731
Why did you put drivel in quotes? Are you implying that the things we create are only drivel sarcastically?

>>97908775
Gotta wonder why your first assumption is "no one has ever actually read books!" It's definitely coming from somewhere... perhaps the lady doth protest too much?

>>97908731
I'm not.
I've been writing the next scifi magnum opus since 2021, pray that you can actually get your hand on it some day.

Fantasy is unsalvageable. It is the nigger of fiction genres. Ruined by decades of DnD, fantasy slop and Tolkien worship.

>>97903818
Cultivation novels are gigakino. Sorry you got filtered!

>>97908058
Yeah all of those are shit for fantasy literature you fucking troglodyte.

>>97909426
holy cringe

Wish I could be actually wintessing IlliterateAnon A hating Lovecraft/Howard vs IlliterateAnon B hating Tolkien, but that's probably not happening.

Also Tolkien apparently liked well enough REH (Literary Swordsmen and Sorcerers).

>>97909527
Sorry, it's not. I don't hate Lovecraft. I'm all for reading him and everything else. I do recognize that it's pretty bad writing. But it's had an important impact on subsequent genre-novels and popular culture in general, so I absolutely think people should read it. Also I've read more books than anyone you've ever met. I read a lot--it's just what I do when I'm bored.

>>97909460
Seethe.

>>97903020
>Absolutely nothing factual
Christ.

>>97901480
Very Wellesian
https://youtu.be/dg-qaeIcuyI

>>97909546
Now this is cringe.

Moving the goalposts a day afterwards.
Ok well, I'm pretty consistent in who I hate.
Also you are also so retarded and besides the point that you are focusing on writing style and flowery words or some arbitrary sense of what's good prose etc.

You are all daft, illiterate morons that simply have no conception of what is actually interesting and worthwhile.
The only thing you know is to parrot the common opinions of the pseudointellectual community of pretentious faggots.

What you write about is far more important than how you write about it.
This, you will never concede because you know that you have nothing new or interesting to write about and you can't even tell what is original anymore because you just don't read.
Ergo, the plagiarist Tolkien is the "pinnacle" of western literature.

And just because I am certain that I need to spell it out for you. Tolkien should not be hated because of the way he writes, nobody should give a damn about that.
Tolkien should be hated because of the boring, pedestrian and uninteresting garbage story he wrote, which was not even his.
But that is a point that will forever fly over your heads.

>>97909527
Sitting on the fence or assuming a seemingly neutral position, does not make you superior.
It only makes you seem like that cringe guy who tries to subtly convince people of some kind of perceived "superiority".
Well, guess what, nobody cares about you faggot.
Also, nobody cares about what Shitkien likes or dislikes.

>Verification not require.

>>97909145
You're trying to hard, zoomie. Please hate more on your betters. This is the only thing you have. Hate, impotent hate. Unable to do anything else.

i'm in my 30s. books are for young people. they can still go online and have all the same flame wars that we had when we were their age.

or are you saying something has HAPPENED to books...?

>>97909765
>all this projection
Sorry anon, but you've reached tl;dr territory.

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>>97909910
Damn, you must have a rare gift anon.
Somehow you know I am projecting something without actually reading my post. That seems to be quite miraculous.

I know that you retards are too lazy to read a 4chan post, let alone entire fantasy books. Thanks for illustrating my point.

Anyway. Stay scrubby.

>>97909546
Over 2k? Asking for a friend.

>>97909765
>How you write
>Not important
I have some simply terrible news for you.

>>97909136
>The King of Elfland's Daughter isn't fantasy
You're a special kind of retarded.

>>97909708
History isn't factual?

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>>97901461
I would argue that for games, what reading gives you is better tools to describe environments, narrate the game and establish characters.
All good GMs I've seen are avid readers, while all the really bad ones only consume movies and videa, so they have a poor grasp of the art of description.

>>97909839
I read non-fiction all the way through my 30s. I'm improved me in every metric. I suggest everyone do it.

>>97910116
Can't say I've counted but 2-3/wk for 30 years... I assume so. But there are weeks I read less and some books take longer than novels.

>>97910131
It's a predecessor, but the "genre" didn't exist then, anon. A genre, as something people can write to, comes from pop culture and marketing. Fantasy wasn't one, in 1924. It became a thing in the 50s and 60s because of Tolkien specifically. We can retroactively project some fiction back into it from before then, but that's not a very useful concept of genre. But you can define it that way if it gets you off for some reason. It seems silly but do your thing.

>>97910192
Genres are entirely arbitrary, and pretending otherwise is foolishness in the extreme. That said, the original post was about UNDERSTANDING fantasy, so even under the definitions that you’re using, it would be more important to read the forerunners.

>The King of Elfland's Daughter is a 1924 fantasy novel by Anglo-Irish writer Lord Dunsany. It is widely recognized as one of the most influential and acclaimed works in all of fantasy literature.
But go off, I guess.

>>97910192
Holy shit! That's close to 5000 books. Wow. And I thought I was well read. Ever read any William Faulkner? J. D. Salinger? Sorry, I get excited when I meet ppl obviously smarter then me.

>>97910210
>Genres are entirely arbitrary
Yes, that's what I said, too. If you wanna use "genre" in a less meaningful way to talk about "anything I think of as sorta like D&D," then go for it.

>>97910231
I like Faulkner and Hemmingway a lot, but never got through Faulkner's entire catalogue. Just read a couple. And Salinger I mean... of course. Americans have to read Catcher in highschool. Or did when I was young. I know I've read his short stories collection, too, but I think that's about it. My favorite author is prolly Thomas Hardy.

>>97906957
I did all my reading when I was in grade school. I was reading at a college level by 5th grade. I don't want to sit here and read generic tolkien clone slop. Dry, flowery prose that's just a fancy way of dragging out what could be 100 pages into 1000.

>>97910241
What should I absolutely must read from Thomas Hardy?

>>97910327
If you're just gonna read one, go with Far From the Madding Crowd. It's a relatively short, easy read, and is the platonic form of a Thomas Hardy novel. All his novels are more or less the same thing over and over, but in a good way.

>>97910263
Stick to non-fiction. You'll be happier that way.

>>97910330
Thank you anon, I'll read that tonight!

>>97910338
Enjoy. Any Salinger I shouldn't miss? Like I said I don't think I ever read anything of his besides catcher and the short stories.

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>*blocks your path*
You simply won't be able to create deep and convincing fantasy worlds and narratives without first understanding Geist. It's a foundational prerequisite.

>>97910351
Ugh that pic gives me nightmares. I had to read it for an epistemology class back in college a thousand years ago.

>>97910348
Nine stories fs

>>97910124
That you are an ignorant scrub ?
Yeah I know that is not news.

>>97910425
That anon is correct and you are wrong. Quality and skill in writing is all that matters. Content is entirely irrelevant. Virginia Woolf writing about sitting down in a chair is one of the greatest works of English language literature of all time. Plot and content are irrelevant to what makes a work good or bad.

>>97910335
Non-fiction is also incredibly dry and uninteresting to read. I'll stick to reading manga thanks, I don't need some crusty old white guy's mid as fuck generic westslop.

>>97910527
Depends on the non-fiction. I just finished the 2nd edition of 1177bc and was struck again by how incredibly engaging Cline manages to make three thousand year-old history. Highly recommend, and the updates to the archeology were awesome to read about if you read the first edition.

>>97910536
that sounds incredibly dry and boring.

>>97910450
Holy shit. I knew that this is the problem.
There is no other possible reason why you mentally ill retards worship the absolute bottom of the barrel.
Don't talk to me. You are the very definition of a pleb.
Enjoy your literary circlejerking and next time go play an rpg or watch a movie based on the works of Virginia Wolf and other such retards.

You are definitely malicious. Only English major retards with useless and degrees and thousands of dollars in debt have such opinions

When was the last time the works and plays of the ancient Greek were judged for their prose you fucking imbecile?

>>97910450
Also, shit bait.

>>97910748
>skill isn't what makes thnigs good!
lol

>>97910593
I guess it depends what you find exciting. But there's books for all types, anon.

>>97902037
O I am chortling

>>97910593
You sound incredibly dry and boring.

>>97901487
>If you’re going to get into fantasy, you should draw from sword and sorcery, weird fiction, adventure romances, the Romantic period, and more.
You should be aware of these things, but drawing from them all is like taking all the food you'd eat in a day and shoving it in a blender.
You must be descriminate in your influences or else you'll only be able to create homogeneous slurry.

>>97901480
And that's how you make masterpieces such as V.T.N.L.

The momentary joy of picking a random book from your shelf, flipping through it for a moment and putting it back without reading a single page.

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>>97904759
>Average /tg/ poster, honestly. No one said Tolkien was bad. Tolkien was impressive. His work is considerably better than genre novels. It's silly to consider his work part of the "fantasy genre." But if we want to, then we gotta admit that his work is ten times the quality of virtually anything in that genre. Howard, on the other hand, was a hack who wrote poorly. His writing is genuinely low quality.

>>97916434
Remove the first two books and we agree.

>>97904759
The Tolkien faggotry in this thread is beyond belief.
Tolkien was a retarded, hack that could not write anything exciting or deep to save his life.
Enjoy your "grand wizards" throwing pine cones on fire instead of doing anything interesting.
Those movies really mindbroke the entire world holy shit.

Fucking retarded man children.

>>97923017
Eat a salad, Martin, you fat fuck

>>97923042
Lol, that fat retard is even worse than Tolkien somehow.
Your bad taste in fiction is an objective fact and it shows.
If Tolkien hate, then Martin like.
Is that how your npc dialogues work ?

>>97923017
How many books that you have wrote have you sold?

>>97923304
Fentanyl also has massive sales, what are you implying that it is good ?

>>97923516
It's amazing, yes. But back to the point, how many books have you sold?

>>97923527
Millions in my home country. And no they will not be translated. You ?

>>97923547
Billions world-wide.

>>97923567
They don't circulate globally and never will. You?

>>97923573
Are you stupid? I said billions worldwide. That means globally dumbass.

>>97923579
Oh you mean Tolkien has sold billions worldwide.
You are terminally retarded then.
Ok anon my bad, I didn't realize I was talking to a kid whose argument is top trump cards.

What a massive retard you must be.
Also you still have not refuted my argument.

>>97923595
I'm talking about my books, not token, so it's you that's the dumbass retarded bitch that can't follow a simple reply chain. A reply chain that you initiated. Dumb ass fuck.

>>97923613
Ah so we are just talking bullshit.
What are your books called then? I would like to read them.

>>97923613
You initiated this retardation moron, by posted inflammatory bullshit.
Fucking troglodyte imbecile.

>>97923668
I didn't post this
>>97923017
So you're the stupid bitch who can't read on lit, the one place your required to be able to READ, you dumb faggot.

>>97923686
I am not posting, or hanging on lit.

>>97923696
Yet you just did. You don't understand English, do you?

>>97923769
Are you retarded ?
This is tg moron.

>>97923881
Lmao my bad