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Clan Eshin edition
>Previously in the Mortal Realms:
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>Official AoS website:
https://www.ageofsigmar.com
>Downloads, Rules Errata, and FAQs:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/
>Tools
https://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/
>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:
https://aosg.github.io/
https://sigdex.io/
>Thread question:
Do you think niche concepts like clan eshin need to be diluted in order to be expanded upon, like for example adding samurai rats to the ninja rats? Or do you want them to get expanded with very similar units instead, like the blood hags are for witch elves? Or are you ok with such factions to exist as smaller things within a larger faction?
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>TQ
After recent MtG debcles i am an expert in stupid animl ninjas: Yes, the concept isn't tht deep
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TQ, for something like skaven, where several different clans provide specific niches to a cohesive and varied whole it makes sense to keep it as is. It doesn't matter that eshin are one note when you also have moulder and skryre, etc. The problem is factions that consist exclusively of what used to be a niche facet in old armies.
The worst example is probably fireslayers. Slayers were my favourite unit in whfb, but a whole army consisting of mostly slayers doesn't work for me. Standing next to other stoic, armoured dwarfs was part of why the slayer concept worked.
I kind of feel the same about witch elves. We don't have a dark elf faction where the witches are a contrast. DoK were (almost) a faction made exclusively from unclothed witches and monster girls, but I'd argue the whole witch concept works better as a part of a varied army (like in dark elves). Where ironically the new hags don't really work for me since they are neither naked enough to match the witches, nor armored enough to provide a contrast. The witches would look better if they stood next to fully armoured spearmen, along with hags that looked more like the witches.
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>no Khinerai heroine exists
>anvil of apotheosis just lets you make a Khinerai heroine anyways
This is new.
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I'm gonna proxxy some sloven knights.
I was originally going to print chaos knights and just paint them green, but plague toad riders would take much less time to paint I think.
The problem is that plague toad riders are pretty stocky and wide so I'm worried they won't fit on the base without being weirdly out of proportion....
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How’s this guy look? I think I should paint the maggots on the bottom severed head at least before I varnish it. The washes are all very glossy so it looks weird against the matte acrylic paints.
I also tried using the AP rust effect and idk really what I’m doing but it’s just a basic troop so whatevs senpai. Took my like 4-5 hours to do on my day off.
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Idk what this thing is supposed to be coming out of his behind.
I think the character’s name is “Prolapsius” or something
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>tq
Eshin is fine as a relatively niche concept because they exist in tandem with all the other skaven clans. They don't need samurai or whatever bevause that's what your clanrats or stormvermin are for.
For daughters of khaine, fyreslayers, etc. you do kind of have to broaden the concept though. DoK kind of did that by adding the monster girl angle, though it is still a very small range. Fyreslayers will go the other route and make them a subfaction again, which is probably for the best. DoK might follow in their footsteps too once umbraneth drop, though I think DoK have more legs to be their own faction if they wanted to.
I think gloomspite are the best outcome of the "subfactions turned into their own thing" factions, because they succesfully integrated the existing night goblin theme (+squigs) with the trolls and spiders. It's got good variation, everything is tied together themstically (or was, until gitmob) and they expanded on each of the constituent subfactions (for example, bounders as "elite" squig hoppers, dankholds as troggoth heroes, that kind of stuff)
Tldr depends on what you wanna do with them I guess. Subfactions can stay narrow, but if you wanna turn them into standalone factions you gotta broaden their scope a bit. Which gw has tried to varying degrees, with varying success.
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repostin' the list of stuff i am missing from last thread slightly updated:
Rulebooks:
War at Amberstone Watch
Spearhead Jade & Fire
Spearhead Sand & Bone
General’s Handbook 2022-23 season 2
General’s Handbook 2023-24
General’s Handbook 2024-25
General’s Handbook 2025-26
Short Stories:
This Rough Beast
Vipers of the Marsh
Reclaimed Honour
Conn Crowhand's Last Oath
Slinktalon
A Point of Pride
Shallow Pockets, Deep Waters
Doomwheel
Scales of Victory
Warhammer Quest:
Cursed City Nightwars
Cursed City Nemesis
WD:
White Dwarf 75 (June 4th 2015) – White Dwarf 131 (July 30th 2016)
White Dwarf 520+
Audio:
Guns of the Black Eagle
Hallowed Knights: The Denied
The Imprecations of Daemons
Soulbound:
Ruins of the Past
i am willing to share stuff i have in exchange
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subfactions are fine to be part of the larger army as long as there is a reason why certain units aren't exclusive to one subfaction. Like eshin can get hired by other clans, that is fine. But i cant really picture Scâthborn next to Krethusa.
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If you get some tonal shifts on the armour so its less flat this'll be a perfectly good tabletop standard piece.
One that you can be proud of and that your opponent will think "god its so nice to play against someone that put effort into his army"
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>But i cant really picture Scâthborn next to Krethusa.
That's one of the problems of that faction's fluff, it's way too centralised on morathi to the point the scathborn have less individual agency than a demon of a god, if once created they were allowed to have their own doubts and make their own choices of allegiance then we would have interesting stuff, like scathborn fleeing to khorne or slaanesh or ones that disown morathi in favour of the original khaine, after appropriate crisis of faith.
I hope the shift to the last world and the incorporating of khainites into umbraneth comes with a big loss of influence for morathi so we can have such a schism and scattering of various subgroups of scathborn.
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i can do that. do you have a suggestion? I pretty much used a dark green then a wash then the same dark green and another slightly yellow dark green.
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The footprint of the plague toads is roughly circular, so they will be out of proportion on an oval base. On the plus side they should fit on the 75x42 since they used to be squeezed onto 40x40. Maybe orient them "sideways", to empasize their width. Or add some flavourful basing on either flank.
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Same reason why eshin were teased through underworlds
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>TQ
I think if i clan deserves an expansion is Pestilens, Eshin are fine as ninjas and only ninjas and it's not deep enough to become anything else.
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Yeah they were part of the sand and bone wave + they got a new SH with their tome release too. Most factions have at least 2 spearheads right now, hell cities have 4. I think only fyreslayers, slaanesh and sons of behemat are stuck at one. I do wonder if they'll do anything new with the latter though.
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>>97912226
piggybacking off of the TG, are there any subfactions you wish GW explored more? Personally I'd like to see some more ironweld arsenal stuff, currently it's only really the cannon and soon the cogfort. We were talking about CoS' pseudo renaissance/hussite aesthetic they've got going on last thread, I think some more warmachines from that period or pseudo-automata (actual ones not whfb robo-horses) could be swell, as well as maybe an engineer type charactermaybe even some dwarfs
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>>97912725
exploring more in what terms? models, novels or just general background? Crematorians for all three of those
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>>97912740
I printed the body and sword arm. Everything but the head and axe comes from a resin printed scan of a chaos warrior. that's probably why it looks a bit chonky.
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models, mostly
>>97912735
the spearhead box is a fomo release, they'll be out on their own eventually
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technically isn't this the first time *new* models have been locked to a spearhead box?
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yeah it's likely that they'll release each half of the box seperately for the standard msrp minus the terrain and board and cards etc.
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>>97912760
only out of a technicality because it's the first time we have spearheads of completely new models, but it's not the first time we have a boxset with new models for two factions, such as starters, warcry and battle boxes.
If the units are designed as standalone sprues, they will get released as individual products as well in due time.
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So I wanted to get into the game with my bro I am a bit of a poorfag at the moment (temporarily, hopefully) so the spearhead box seemed perfect with two cool factions, terrain cards etc - could play pretty quickly. But Its sold out everywhere?? I guess its fomo?
Why is this hobby dominated by fat nerds that insta buy anything games slopshop shit out (even though this looked like a good turd). Why cant chad normies poorfags like me have a piece of the turd.
Its shit!
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try third party sites if GW is already sold out, it might be cheaper in the end as well.
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>>97912869
it's actually a technicality twice over because we had (and have) models locked to spearhead boxes, just not new ones. Savagers are still only available via the darkoath SH iirc.
But yes I can see these spearhead versus boxes effectively replacing the old vs box format. Doesn't 40k do something similar with their kill team starter sets?
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would do, but the deepkin keep putting me back on land because they dont want me :(
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Nippon soon my niggas.
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that's a sick name ngl
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>>97913076
Aren't they meant to be an undead faction of some kind, according to the leaks?
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No, leaks say nothing about them being anything more than a name, a spot on the map and one artwork.
The idea that they would be a death faction comes from a completely separate hearsay coming from a completely different person who's been told that gw was potentially exploring nippon for fantasy by giving them two rulers, a living one and an undead one, with the nation having both living people and plenty of spirits, but that's not this aos faction, it's not even something that might actually be put in a pipeline rather than left as a fancy concept experiment behind the scenes.
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He killed millionsSkaven.
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because the point was to have a profile for models of rice field peasants
the fact actual ashigaru may have been professional soldiers or that even that fluff text describes them as highly disciplined is completely irrelevant to the above fact, which takes precedent
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What is the best contrast paint to for grey fur(Skaven)?
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Based.
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james really cooked with the gloomspite range
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/d/CO4BEQ
here is all of the army book from 2nd.
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Savagers were sold on their own as a web exclusive, I think, so not many stores carried them.
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Yeah
Oddly the gutter runner champion seems to be on a larger base, I guess really confirming they're warcry hand-me-downs
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Anyone got a pdf of the Tzeentch book? The bird people look kinda fun.
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>>97913248
What do they know?
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>>97913883
*screams in limited edition scalped product*
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>TQ
no I don't think they needed to be diluted to be expanded. Samurai rats would be a totally different concept, clan eshin is the sneaky clan and that doesn't fit with the general assasin theme. If GW decides to add or make subfactions, I'd rather they stick to the core concept of the subfaction and have more thematically similair units.
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Like, official news? Yeah next year's adepticon would be a good bet, that's usually where they show of new editions and stuff.
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Nta but all the tlw rumours are in the context of it being 5th edition, just check TGA
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It will release summer 2027, which means the first official previews will be spring 2027. A bit under a year.
But there will likely be firm rumours before that. January 2027 at the latest.
The guy suggesting TLW will come out "after" 5e has mumbly pick me schizophrenia.
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>>97912226
>Do you think niche concepts like clan eshin need to be diluted in order to be expanded upon, like for example adding samurai rats to the ninja rats? Or do you want them to get expanded with very similar units instead, like the blood hags are for witch elves? Or are you ok with such factions to exist as smaller things within a larger faction?
they are already a complete subfaction
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>>97914258
I want to write a short story, maybe novel length about a strategically important island (not!gebralter) Humans have ownership and allow Dwarfs and Elves to come and go. The strategic importance means it get invaded frequently by many different factions. and the alliance of order invests heavily to maintain control, almost like Cadia but for maritime vessels.
The story is told through the perspective of a Stormcast who's undercover, acting like an Inquisitor/Detective, trying to untangle a plot to sabotage the defenses of the island before a suspected invasion. Ends with a satisfying battle.
The island features many locations, a forest housing Sylvaneth, grave sites with nighthuant, Vampire Counts embedded in the aristocracy, Skaven in the sewers, an Ork Blockade, Chaos all over. The Stormcast sees everything simmering, but he knows if he calls for a regiment of stormcast to bolster the defense too soon then the enemies will simply hide under the surface and wait them out. So he instigates conflict and tries to shake out whoever has the biggest plot to take over, or scare them off.
It will basically be a witch hunter story in an imperial city but with a Stormcast instead.
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>>97914494
that's fair but I enjoyed reading Watchers of the Throne and the disparity between baseline humans and transhumans. I mainly enjoy stories where space marines and Custodes converse with humans and showing that kind of contrast.
So while a human Witch Hunter is neat, Stormcast aren't space marines, they actually live among human settlements and have professions, even acting solo.
What made Valdus in Watchers of the Throne so cool was his independence, he acted on his own when he needed to. Stormcasts should be the same way.
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i wish this game had a druid army.
sylvaneth is like halfway there, but it really doesnt have any shapeshifting or druidic mystics and spellcasters in robes apart from that one extremely terrible looking guy from dankwater
i guess i could do some proxies, but as far as i know none of the plastic model makers do good looking generic animals like wolfs and bears for shapeshifting proxies, and the gloomspite shit has too much bespoke barding, saddles and iconography to scrape off. there's some space wolf wolves but those are crazy expensive, and the soulblight dire wolfs are all rotten
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Albion’s just about the only thing that would make me give a damn about tow, but yeah, sylvaneth is the closest thing we have to that sadly. You could probably lean into that with vyrkos…but you know. Different kind of druids altogether there.
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I feel like new maggotkin are pretty druidic at times.
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Davinci bullshit might be fun yeah
I don't know if it really counts as "exploring a subfaction" but I'd like to see some more skink/kroxigor stuff. A kroxigor hero, and some skinks ones like a chief or whatever, and a refresh of the og kit would be welcome. It holds up a lot better than most from that period but it's getting up there.
Aside from that gloomspite really doesn't need much stuff but more squigs and trolls would be fun. Bring back sourbreaths.
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dont get me wrong i have no problem with nurgle, i have 3.5kpts of them, its just not the vibe im looking for in a druid theme
i want something like dnd/diablo 2 wildshapes, animal companions, tending to nature and speaking with animals, calling storms. sylvaneth already has the dryads, treants, and planting trees aspect i'd like, but its missing the other half
i'd love something like a less anime version of the circle orborous from warmahordes. those guys were a bit overdesigned for my taste but that was more of the type of army i'd like to see. cloaked druids wielding storm magic and animating wicker and stone constructs, werewolfs and animal companion wolfs and hounds, carved celtic runestones
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maybe it was just bad webstore photos then, i havent seen it in person, but the promo shots didnt look good, he had tiny arms and a goofy face, and one of the predominant features of a wearbear is that you usually expect these huge long muscular arms and claws and a broad upper torso. the guy in the promos just looked like he was all legs
idk, it just didnt deliver. and the aos sculptors are perfectly capable of delivering, that one just didnt have a good design from what i saw
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>are there any subfactions you wish GW explored more?
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>>97912725
I think i will be soon appeased with CoS scision but i really liked a lot all the lore bits and looks of that old Order of Azyr
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>Ogor Firebellies are supplicants of the Evil Sun. It is said that the Gulping God once tried to consume the fiercest star in Azyr, so reached to pluck it from the firmament and swallow it in one bite. Nary had it landed in his abyssal maw before he violently spat it back as a fiery comet racing across the heavens. The Gulping God roared and retched, he clawed at his searing tongue, he hurled white-hot lava and sweated Everwinter. As the Firebellies tell it, the infernal star's spiciness had been too rich even for the Gulping God. Aspiring to such awesome flavor, they dedicate themselves to ever conquering new heights of scorching hotness that they may one day enter Azyr to find the wicked star, the Evil Sun, and gulp it as their god before them.
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>>97915126
If you ever get your hands on this guy, pro tip: cut his head off the rest of the bit with a hobby saw and glue it on after. That color and hat will make it really hard to paint the face.
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Most based. I curse you with a fat dick as thanks.
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I only have 2 things to say about the new Barrow Guard.
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I fucking love the kite shields. These are easily the best looking shields that has ever been pushed out with lumineths coming in at second place mayhaps.
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Why the fuck are they called housecarls?
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I work outta the home
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I love DoK so much
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Boyz, I have a question: what units, races, or factions from 40k could we see appear in AoS? For me, a more primitive version of the Sslyth could definitely appear as a Dok unit.
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>>97915509
Same.
It just "sparks joy" as they say.
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hoping for a kind anon to send through the new bonereapers tome scan
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Can someone tell me why some factions have two battletomes in one edition? Does it expand or update the lore? Or are they the same book with different covers?
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Yes, but is the lore presented in the books the same, or are there changes in each book?
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>>97916572
savage orks had more value than these disgusting midges.
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Who is more powerful: Archaon, the last and greatest of the chosen of Chaos, absolute archenemy of Sigmar, future god of Chaos, or Horus, the greatest loser of Chaos, champion of Chaos with daddy issues?
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>>97916556
This may be my most contrarian take (at least on here) but I actually don't mind this model at all. Well, I don't mind that she's a woman, still prefer the skyrigger balloons to these. Anyway, to me it illustrates that if you're going to do female dorfs they should have really long braids, which work as an analogue to the male beards both visually and thematically. The other two female heads in this kit look much, much worse to me because they lack them.
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Archaon is the strongest character in Warhammers and its not even close.
His tragedy is that the source of his power is the thing he wants to defeat, leaving him trapped unable to use his might for his own goals
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Diederick gets folded by Mortkin. Solely because Mortkin had something Kastner never had: conviction.
He refused to live as a slave to darkness and died, on his own terms, a free man after getting revenge.
Archie is too bitch-cuck to be his own man.
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Archibald thinks he can find a way yo eat the cake, while still having it. He's not weak, he's not even delusional we know big 4 can be defeated through extensively bullshit means, he just doesn't have the right opportunity yet
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KO don't really have beards (these are exceptional as schizo slayers) and artificial braids would be a little awkward.
Realistically, the ancestors masks should feature female faces and men and women should wear them. The prominent deeds that inspire their ancestors shouldn't be restricted to the same gender. Hopefully we eventually get a sprue for female helms like the ones in this kit for the other KO kits, no need to have different bodies
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midg sloppa lovers. They look fucking terrible and their lore is all kinds of retarded.
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>last world
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The classic depiction of valaya has her with braids like this, a mask like that could work
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>>97916845
It's up now.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ii931tqg/chronicles -of-ruin-the-nature-of-light/
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>>97916839
You're missing my point completely. It's not that it's not a fun idea for a dwarf army, it's that not every fun idea for a dwarf army needs to be its own unique faction. Someone who kitbashes their fyreslayers or disposessed with Sylvaneth parts is cool and really embraces the spirit of the hobby, someone who wants "Battletome: Root Kings" is not.
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>>97916887
Nah, they're 78th in UK
>https://companiesmarketcap.com/united-kingdom/largest-companies-in-th e-uk-by-market-cap/
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>>97916909
No because say, Malerion's Elves aren't just a group of Daughters of Khaine who happen to worship Malerion as well, they're their own unique thing. Root Kings are literally just Disposessed who live in Ghyran, and were added to the lore intended to give inspiration for people's own unique armies. Firebellies are even less of an actual army, intended to be a single model, any 'Firebelly tribe' would be no different from any other Mawtribe except in aesthetics, which is what kitbashing (or hell, even just a different paintscheme) is for. AoS does not need any more armies it already has too many if anything.
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>>97916861
>I am no mage, but nor am I obtuse. I have climbed the Teclamentari’s rungs of erudition and know that we were not the first aelves – not in these realms nor before them. Cycles revolve; kalpas bloom. Perhaps we too, in time, shall be but mythic antecedents
they know we know
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>>97916955
They specifically separated from dispossessed to join Sylvaneth. They live the wierd forest song way of life the trees do.
They have their own (shallow) holds among the roots they literally aren't dispossessed and nothing realy stops them from being a thing on other realsm that have Sylvaneth, same way Spites aren't Ghyran locked
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>>97917018
Retard, Didpossesed is a word for dwarfs that live in CoS, not literally every menlet who survived Age of Chaos.
By your own logic Helsmiths might as well be Dispossesed who live with Demons.
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>>97917023
>Retard, Didpossesed is a word for dwarfs that live in CoS
No, it's a word for every dwarf that used to live in their own kingdoms and now live as refugees with other people.
The root kings used to be normal dwarfs, until they got dispossessed and then found a home alongside sylvaneth.
They are dispossessed.
Helsmiths don't live with demons.
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>>97917021
would you look at that! right at the start
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>>97917097
yeah, great stuff
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>>97916861
Fun read. They made a little oopsie in calling the trees bonsai. They’re called “tohnasai” in the battletomes. I also just noticed while going through the pdf. GW didn’t bother getting a single piece of art featuring the new Lord Regent model.
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Painted of the week, managed to finish another Rat ogor, an ironskull boy and (almost finished because my ass forgot about the green and his backpack) Zikkit that i use as proxy as a Bombadier
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Ooooo that's some really good painted gobbo anon, i usually have to give yellow paint like 2 or 3 layers
The skin getting the green highlight and the weapon bandages is fantastic
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>>97917346
it's not the scheme, it's the fact he's not been using vulkites as base but the underworlds band and some other dwarf sculpts
poses are the problem with fyreslayers
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I think some are vulkites but reposed. Lots of extensive work but yeah desaturation is the least of it
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>>97917545
@valnyr_miniatures
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>>97917567
The helms absolutely are (picrel), the beards seem to be a mix. The guy to (our) right of the central guy has the beard of the vulkite champion, I recognize the 4 braids.
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>>97916593
Archie is second only to a theoretical Dark King Emperor. Dark King > All 4 Chaos Gods > Archaeon > less than 4 Chaos Gods.
Last World might knock him down to third behind Sigmar (Sigmar beat Archeaon pre-history)
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>>97918017
Speaking of, looks like they restocked city of ash, at least here in yurop.
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>>97918175
I'm assuming this is an offshoot of some autistic discussion in /40kg/ or /wfg/?
Anyway, in general I feel like it depends on the term. I would say most people just use elf, dwarf and ogre instead of gw's copyrightisms, orc/orruk is kind of split, seraphon and lizardmen are used interchangeably. There's a couple examples where the new name is used more than the old one, I'm thinking of gargant instead of giant, troggoth instead of troll, and malerion instead of malekith. I feel like in general the names that are actually different in structure tend to be used more than the ones that are just "old world with slightly retarded spelling"
Hope that answers your questions.
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>>97918175
as synonyms, sure, as legally enforced trademarks, no
the only new name I absolutely loathe in its entirety is seraphon
it doesn't work as name the lizardmen would give themselves and it doesn't work as name humans would give them because it has precedent as a name used by elves for dragons
I can kind of see from afar the idea of calling them "angel-toothed", "seraph+don", following the naming conventions of some dinosaurs, including some of theirs, but it just doesn't work as they did it
not to mention the infamous google results at launch
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>>97918340
Good post
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>>97918599
You make some salient points, but ultimately I must agree with >>97918715 in that it sounds cool. I think they need to lean more into the cold-blooded angels of Azyr angle to really make it make sense but it does SOUND cool.
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>it doesn't work as name humans would give them because it has precedent as a name used by elves for dragons
Why the fuck would they gave a shit what elves called dragons
Anyway I'm not a 100% happy with the nane either. It's a relic from 1e when they were much more celestial "daemons of order" starborne stuff, but it doesn't really work that way anymore. It's also decidely un-mesoamerican.
What do they call themselves in the tomes? I assume something like children of the old ones or something?
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>>97918175
>Aelves
Literally fine as it's said like Aethelrad, because it's just Ye Olde English.
>Duradin, Ogor, ect
Straight into the trash, we already fucking had Dawi, theirs no reason to use these names unless GW has a gun to your head.
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>>97918764
>What do they call themselves in the tomes?
Something like children of the gods/old ones, but it's not common either.
Funnily enough, we have an extensive lexicon from Warhammer fantasy, including various terms in their own language about what they call dwarfs, elves, humans, demons and so on, but absolutely fucking nothing on themselves.
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>>97918175
throw them in a bunch of alternatives and it only helps in making the setting feel larger and deeper
>elf, aelf, leth, neth, eltharin, eladrith, eldar, aeldari, yldari
plus a dozen other variants, same for others
>orc, ork, urk, uruk, orruk
and so on
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>>97918725
>I think they need to lean more into the cold-blooded angels of Azyr
No, they need to stay as Mesoamerican dino people riding dinosaurs and fat magic frogs. Because there's nothing on earth cooler than that.
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>>97918131
Why does AoS not have some kind of community managed rules pack ?
I know ToW has these, but mostly due to main rules being completely unbalanced, especially before reworks.
Also Horus Heresy has some grog trying to write his own rules, after 3rd edition flopped
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>>97918725
>cold-blooded angels of Azyr
they should give dragonborn to stormcasts for that, leave the slann be ancient aliens
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>>97918148
Doesn't matter who's writing the rules.
GW isn't bringing back complexity the previous editions had.
I'm half convinced they might try to pull the same trick they did with old world, where they released a few books with packs for all factions, segregated by GA (kind of like they did already).
Except this time they'll sell journals for dedicated factions with more rules and units down the line
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>>97919022
The outer circle guy?
Anyway yeah the problem with the rules isn't really balance, it's not like some factions are actual irredeemable dogshit like skaven or whatever in tow, it's just a lot of boring nothing rules, the dreaded 3+ etc etc. That kind of stuff is harder to really get a widely accepted homebrew going for.
I know that for example underworlds has some community rules for using shitty old warbands + custom warbands, though I don't think they're very widely accepted.
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>>97919087
OrangeBlueHue for the previous ones
artisan guild for these ones
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>>97919071
Just how bad is OPR?
Few things I saw and heard was that you can field practically anything fantasy related and have dedicated rules for different types of army sizes.
On the other hand, customization is made as bland as it gets
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Now that the dust has settled, why did the Helsmiths of Hashut flop?
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>>97919359
He doesn't play aos at all, I think the only games he actually does play are mesbg and MAYBE wfb. He just cruises between different warhammer generals to shitpost.
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thank you anon, i hope you dont mind if i steal your idea here
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Would anyone happen to have any of of the older BoK tomes? I'm about ready to paint mine, but want some inspiration and lore primers to go off of. Kind of want to do the bone-white Flayed Ones, but I'd rather look more.
Please and thank you, kind anons.
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Thank you kindly.
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Does anyone know if the Ogor and Gargant Battletomes with their updated miniatures will be released in this edition or the next?
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>>97921233
>Ogre Kingdoms last major faction added to setting before squatting and reboot
>Ogor Mawtribes last major refresh before setting squatting and reboot
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>>97921292
Here it is:
https://gofile.io/d/gv3pCf
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Bros, talk me out of impulse buying the old Sylvaneth vanguard. I want to dip my toes in and Kurnothi hunters look super cool.
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>>97918993
Honestly as someone who played lizards in fantasy, and then had to rebuy them in aos (mom threw them out when I went off to service); the aos lore of being dream monsters made of the sky is the coolest shit.
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>give the blood hags a chance, surely they are not that bad a kit
>they are that bad
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>>97921661
I think the starborne/coalesced shit was a fair compromise. The angelic stuff was a cool hook, but really more fitting for a subfaction than an entire army. Was pretty damn hard to really connect to them as /yourguys/ when only the slann was "real".
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I've heard they're kind of ass to put together and have like no options, which is a shame. Cheaper than normal witch elves at least though.
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>>97921719
Yup, those are all true.
Despite the higher cost for an older sculpt, this kit is so unfun it might be better to get witch elves and convert them into blood hags.
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>>97921777
If they all had an option for a sword like the champion I might've picked it up for a little 500pt dok army or something, but with so little options I'll pass. A bit of a shame.
Are they any good on the table at least? I haven't bothered taking a look at their rules.
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>>97921821
weak, lame, uninteresting
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>>97921934
More of a 40k thing but I've seen many people start the hobby with an entire battleforce or a big centrepiece and quitting when it inevitably proves too much to chew for a beginner. Makes for cheap deals I guess, but I really try to hammer home to interested new people that you best start small.
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Where's the rumors? I'm bored.
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>>97922166
They'll get there.
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No new rumours for a while, last one was the whole "5th edition will take some cues from 40k/whfb 8th edition for magic and prayers", whatever that meant. Also no more rumour engines, I wonder what is up with that.
Oh and last year scourge of ghyran started having articles in early may, I expect the same this year.
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Y'know it's not often that 40k does something better than aos (modelwise) but I think they made the newcrons a lot more interesting when they finally realised their soulless primordial robots didn't always need to have a humanoid bodyplan. I wish obr did some more stuff like that. Or just give us more mir kainans.how hard do you guys figure it would be to greenstuff picrel into something more obr boney?
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>>97922212
I've thought the same about sylvaneth and used necrons for contrast. Once it's accepted that nonhumans don't need to look human, there's a lot of creative space there that's been left largely unexplored.
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>>97922235
I think sylvaneth for me it's 50/50, they have some variation already, if they add more odd bodyshapes I could be interested but I also wound't mind if they just kept their current course. Nighthaunt and *especially* obr is where I'd like to see more non-humanoid bodyplans.
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>>97922301
Hasn't the kharibdyss been gone for years at this point? I do miss that poster.
Anyway looks like the luminark/hurricanum and sorceress are just barely hanging on still. I assume those two will be gone when the tome drops too. Though maybe the luminark might survive, tow's not using the kit any time soon.
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While we're on the topic is the normal wiki any good? I avoided it because a) the fandom wikis are absolute ass to use and b) tend be filled with random borderline headcanon when it comes to warhammer
Maybe it's different with aos since we have 0 secondaries so most of the information will come pretty straight from a source so to speak
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