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TQ: You're creating a task force of special agents, investigators, spies, and assets to take on the problems of the day. What's your team look like?
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>>97916374
TQ: a Delta Green inspired Rebel cell that searches for and eliminates Sith and Dark Jedi artifacts and followers.
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Post minis
Play tabletop games
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>>97917208
Hoping against hope for more OldEU stuff for legion
Empire
>Jerec & Entourage (Sariss, Yun, Maw, Boc)
>Desann & Tavion
>Reborn/Shadowtroopers
Rebels
>Kyle Katarn & Jan Ors
>Mon Calamari rebel engineers
Mercs
>Krayt Dragon & Handler
>8T-88 & henchmen (rodian sniper, gran grenadiers, tusken gunners)
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>>97917221
How do I break free from the sequel trilogy autism and enjoy some of the canon stuff? The autism of knowing the sequel trilogy in the back of my mind always hinders my ability to enjoy the canon stuff.
I don't know why but I think the remnant troopers concept art is the best thing that came out of canon.
Was there ever anything similar in appearance to the concept art back in the EU?
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>>97917495
Run your own post-OT campaign
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>>97916374
>TQ
I'd set up a team of Trandoshans. Use their Big Hunt as a motivator, send them on increasingly dangerous assignments by assuring them that, if they succeed, they'll move up in their spiritual rankings.
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>>97917495
I do love the whole imperial remnant era of star wars, with all these imperial warlords going around doing their own thing and their men having to fix their armor together with tape, gum and a bit of faith of that worn out armor pieces don't fall off
So it bothers me in mando that when moff giddy show up, all his stormtroopers are wearing clean white armor, I can understand from a costume department point of view to have every single trooper to look different in style would be a time consuming headache but at least make them look dirty or worn at least
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>>97917535
>implying the ST is as bad as the HS
lmao
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>>97916374
>Special Forces
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>>97918126
You're right - it's objectively worse, because at least the Holiday Special never purported to be the final and only conclusion to the stories of the OT characters and then completely shat itself in public so hard its innards became its outards.
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>>97917952
That was the point. For most of S1 all we saw were random one-off stormtroopers in armor that was dusty and beat to hell, and then Gideon shows up with an actual professional squadron and it's like "oh shit this guy is the real deal".
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>>97917952
Imperial Remnant that look like Mad Max types are going to be more on the pirate/mercenary end of the scale than an actual army. Any post-Imperial Imperials of any significance are going to have control of territory and with that control of manufacturing resources - why wouldn't they keep their troops in shiny fresh Stormie gear? Not just because they'd regard anything less as lax and sloppy, but also because they need to keep up appearances if they expect to maintain control over whatever territory they do retain.
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>>97918565
>Any post-Imperial Imperials of any significance are going to have control of territory and with that control of manufacturing resources - why wouldn't they keep their troops in shiny fresh Stormie gear?
More retained Stormtroopers than the remaining Industrial capacity allows, poor logistical capacity, units gaining more individuality and modifying their gear, looks cool
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>>97916374
Something that occurred to me a while ago but I don't know where else to ask how many former Jedi was there in the Clone Wars who were not criminal or Rogue agents but just Jedi who dropped out for whatever reason during the time frame of Star Wars the Clone Wars when the war started up and did any of them do anything when the war started?I'm pretty sure Duco was supposed to be some sort of dropped out Jedi originally. That could have been a fun part for a Clone Wars cartoon episode of you dealing with those former Jedi.
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>>97917495
Legitimately? I suggest trying Resistance. Like, it's not the absolute bestest thing evar! But it's pretty good. Fair warning, first 4 episodes are UTTER DOGSHIT! They are so fucking painful to get through and stopped me enjoying the series at first. But once it finds its footing, it actually gets rather good. Season 2 especially is pretty much the answer to the question "What If The Last Jedi Wasn't Absolute Dogshit?"
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In one of the previous threads I mentioned how I have a Westar M-5 prop for my custom Mando cosplay. (No, its not Jodo Kast)
I really want to create a custom Legion mini based on my own cosplay, but now that a dedicated Mandalorian army is being released, I’m torn on how to approach it. whether to kitbash something from existing models or still go the full custom route to get an exact replica. I originally planned on using my mando as a proxy for classic Boba Fett since I plan on building Imperial army.
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I want to run an EotE oneshot for my friends, but my autism makes me overplan everything. I want to do like miniatures and terrain and all that jazz. Unfortunately I’m also broke as shit, so can’t blow a bunch of money on plastic stormies. Considering doing paper dolls or something similar, my only concern is how to like represent elevated platforms or larger stuff like vehicles. Any ideas? Alternatively if anyone knows where to get figurines of really any scale that could be relatively cheap.
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>>97919601
Remember that there is a customizavle mando kit coming out that will be usable for all armies as a merc
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>>97917495
I’m reworking bits I like from NuCanon into my AU for a campaign. Like the Imperial Remnant is still around, but the First Order is like a radical offshoot made up of those officers born and raised under the Empire, fanatical and deeply influenced by dark side mysticism and esoteric Sith philosophy. Gives me a good group of mega evil schizos to play off the more straitlaced stiff upper lip Remnant and the ragtag mad max petty warlords
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>>97919266
Knights can leave the Order, it's rare but not unheard of. So can Masters, it's just exceptionally rare. Plenty of Jedi who don't become Knights also end up in the Corps or just go do whatever.
But plenty of Jedi didn't really take part in the war.
The Jedi were a few thousand when the Clone Wars started. There were a couple hundred (more than 100, less than 500) who chose not to participate as generals and commanders, though not all were completely sitting it out, some just did non-war things like went and worked as humanitarian aid or went off and meditated.
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I just can't accept that the clone army was so tiny yet doing stuff like this. So, what exactly stops normal people from wearing the armour?
That's right, nothing.
My headcanon henceforth is that each ship is being crewed by clone armour wearing normal men.
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>>97921556
I wouldn't be too surprised, seeing that we know they had non-clone officers serving in the Republic Navy. The pre-war judicial forces and system defense ships were rolled into the navy, and that likely meant their crews as well
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>>97923101
https://www.atomicmassgames.com/transmission/legion-april-2026-rules-p oints-developer-update/
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>>97923801
>Point changes
Looks pretty conservative, I like that.
>AI nerf
Seems reasonable imo
>no new Rebel Battleforce
This is bullshit but I'll believe it.
>Improvised Order nerf
Also bullshit. At least it's not autoinclude anymore, Inspiring Presence, Vigilance, Trusted Agent and Underworld Connections are still cool.
>Probe upgrade
Sounds cool on Stormtroopers or Riot Stormtroopers, especially with Kallus' 3-pip.
>Sniper, Sabs and Strike teams change
Damn, Scout Troopers will be a fucking menace with that.
With Riot Marksmen point cuts and new snipers, Empire autowound spam will get really obnoxious.
>New heroes upgrade
Inquisitors look cool, more Pierce will help the Empire
Jyn looks good, putting her on SX-21 Rebel troopers will probably be a good filler corp. I think she'll really shine in Guerilla troopers because lmao Dangersense 2 with red saves.
Luke doesn't seem great since Vets and Rebel troopers both have shit melee. Otherwise he's just a more expensive Rebel Officer.
Chewie in Ranged wookiees will be really tanky.
The buff to Wookies and Rebel Commandos are welcome but I still like Sleeper cells, Mandos and Guerilla's design much better.
>Further character point cuts in November
I guess that's when guys like Boba Fett and Cad Bane will get some buffs.
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>>97922354
Basically, yeah. That plus Imperial Japanese suicidal devotion to the divine emperor. Still working on Snoke and his whole deal, but he’ll be the theocratic leader of the state. Heavily militarized, a lot of their officer corps are on the younger side (the true believers being both younger and also a high attrition rate earlier in the GCW). The Remnant would have more of the super weapons stuff while the FO has Sith alchemy and CBRN weapons. They’re not as large as the Remnant or some other warlords, but the Republic doesn’t know the full extent of their resources since they mainly operate out of wild space.
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>>97919601
Extremely based
I've got the helmet for my cosplay done and the rest of it printed up and waiting on sanding and painting outside of a dc-15, buddy's helping me install a servo so the range finder can be controlled by my gauntlet too
100% gonna kitbash myself a mini based on my kit too
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>>97917535
> The way to enjoy Star Wars is to learn to pick and choose your personal canon.
Yes, like I choose to believe that Han and Yoda know each other becauseof a really dumb Lego Star Wars specialHan just never said anything because Luke never mentioned Yoda while he was around.
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>>97925064
Nice helmet anon
DarkFire Designs makes these really cool unique Mandalorian mini-figures. No idea if they would do it but I've considered reaching out to them to see if they can make a minifigure based off my costume
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Thoughts on my suprression force?
I played against triple AT-ST and didn't have a good time, but had a fun game against a friends droids.
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>>97925394
Oh yeah I have some of their stuff bookmarked to print eventually, would be easy to edit a helmet to remove have the visor rather than trying to putty/plasticard it
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Cause I'm a cyclops irl and wanted to have a cringe self-insert easter egg
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I considered getting the STL files of different minifigures and essentially copy and pasting to making my own minifigure but I have zero experience working on STL files. I came across this Arc trooper mini that has a westar m5 and thought of kitbashing or using the STL file
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>>97926828
Smuggling compartments for more Twi'lek girls everywhere.
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SPACE CHAUCHAT
BLASTERBROS WE FUCKING WON
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>>97927820
Not just a Sapce Chauchat, but a Space Chauchat-Ribeyrolle Model 1918
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>>97926828
The Modder specialization is all about making the best smuggling ship possible. Lets you add additional hard points to your ship that you can fill with hidden storage, you also get a unique talent to have automatic hidden storage on yourself.
Specialization: https://star-wars-rpg-ffg.fandom.com/wiki/Modder
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>>97916529
Luv me armada. Xwing and armada were looking so hopeful when they started adding EU stuff to them before they went all disney
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>>97927857
My knees...they're moving on their own!
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>>97927820
Interesting look. Not my favourite but I'm glad we're back to real WWII kitbash that's better than Rogue One's meme weapons
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>>97929391
There was also a weird configurable Luger there somewhere and an E-11 turned pistol which looked bad.
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>>97916529
Chief legionfag here. I was inspired to also make a codex for my droyd army. Full pdf in the link.
https://litter.catbox.moe/mt5cq1c9ed0ahsi9.pdf
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With all the remnant talk, I was thinking about trying to cobble together a Remnant Roll Table/Generator for all your petty warlord needs. What categories do you think would be useful for it? Stuff like size, location, military power, technology etc.
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>>97932234
They definitely exist.
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>>97930686
I once made a Grand Moff personality generator on a D12
>1 Diplomatic
>2-4 Unambitious
>5-8 Loyal Ambitious
>9-11 Disloyal Ambitious
>12 Insane
It helped flesh out the Oversectors of my map before the campaign even started. After 4 IRL years of Imperial collapse only the ambitious or insane are still alive, with the sole exception being the pencil pusher bureaucrat Grand Moff in charge of the Oversector around Coruscant.
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>>97932234
This guy uses Fistful of TOWs, a modern warfare wargame, for 6mm star wars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om0hwDRvCf8&t=5s
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>>97933261
AFAIK most Moffs just want their pocket empire, with a persoanl twi'lek bathhouse etc.
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>>97932872
Minimum 3D printer resin resolution to print these in crisp detail?
Also sauce on those models?
>>97933181
Sounds good!
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>>97916374
What do people prefer, ships with modular parts/variants or completely new ships for different roles?
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>>97918814
>more retrained stormies than capacity allows
If anything the reverse would be true.
>poor logistical capacity
Highly unlikely. Remnant factions that could persist after the fall of the Empire proper would fall into three camps; small bands of piratical mercenaries for whom nothing so grand as logistics is an issue, modest self-contained principalities with the right combination of isolation, resources, and X-Factor required to resist conquest by the New Republic or overthrow from within by subversive elements and for them logistics would be a fairly simple matter as they would exist on the scale of a few systems at most, and the central remaining official Remnant state which would be Imperial in more than just name and aesthetic and so would have logistics more than capable of handling their military forces. Everything else would be short-lived Warlord states that would collapse or be conquered long before serious logistical issues would have a chance to arise.
>more individuality
Again if anything the reverse would be true. Post-Imperial Imperials would cleave to Imperial ideas like uniformity and eradication of the self in favour of viewing individuals as extensions of the state even harder than before, in the same way diaspora populations cling to traditions from their homelands that their homelands gave up ages ago or the way weirdo fringe regressives like American Monarchists in current year cling to versions of the past they idolise that are so idealised they're borderline fictional. Perhaps the main "official" Remnant, viewing itself as a direct legitimate continuation of the true Imperial State, might resist that urge to fanatisise like the smaller post-Imperial Imperial microstates likely would at, least to some extent, but even they would want to focus on at least maintaining existing standards.
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>>97934377
(cont)...
>looks cool
The universal logic of women and gays, I wonder which you are. Seriously though, we've already established that there is a plausible way to have that: small, stateless warrior bands/mercs/pirates. The issue is that you want to be a Special Little Snowflake who gets to have cool edgy Operator troops AND a permanent stable faction with lots of territory and resources AND that gets to still claim to be Imperial despite not embodying Imperial ideals like looking sharp as a fucking tack, spick & span, even as you get gunned down by a rebellious hero with plot armour.
The difference between good fanfic and OC Donut Steel faggotry is whether something is plausible in the setting or if you're warping the setting so you can do stuff you think is "cool", and scruffy Operator Troopers as part of a major organised Remnant is the latter.
If you want to make snowflakes out of the anti-snowflake faction then honestly you might as well just buy yourself a BBC dildo and start collecting Mandalorians.
/fin
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Faggotsponge shits up yet another design. This is supposed to be the Strike-class Cruiser. Yikes.
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>>97935262
The original one already sucked balls, looks like a literal turd
This one is just that but with Fractal's nu-ILM slop style over it and the Saxton gun obsession. I only care about the tender module cause having a smaller fueling ship than the Contentor and Altor is good but overall not worth it
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>>97934385
A bit rude but I agree, though tbf declaring that stateless Imperials are just pirates and mercenaries is imo a bit generic, there may be more defined morals in there
Regardless, lack of individuality is not necessarily a thing EVERY remnant state would cling on to. Some remnants have their own defining troopers and captains. Unless you hate the entirety of the EU's post-Endor period.
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>>97935262
Looks good enough to be a background & filler ship in larger battle scenes, I don't understand why people run around with such a hateboner over the decades-old Saxtonite obsessions.
It's not 2002 anymore, nobody cares how many gigatons TNT equivalent per shot a Star Destroyer puts out, or how that would totally vaporize the Enterpise.
>>97935407
It's from the upcoming Mando movie. You'll be able to buy all the toys and minis in the dollar store grab bin after the movie bombs.
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>>97935262
I don't dislike it exactly, but I don't understand why some people think that the Empire shouldn't have non-triangular ships. There's hundreds of small to huge ship manufacturers contracted by the Empire and there would logically be deviations from KDY design aesthetics.
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>>97933261
Just a rough idea, ignore how shit some of the terms are. No numbers yet because categories could change:
>Location
Core, Colonies, Inner Rim, Expansion Region, Mid Rim, Outer Rim, Wild Space, Unknown Region. Wild card option could be one of the Companion Galaxies, but I’m not sure it’s ever established just how present the Empire was there.
>Size
Single city, planetary, system, multi-system, sector, multi-sector.
>Resources
Scavengers, scraping by, modest, well off, wealthy, filthy rich. Basically how much cash/capital they have at their disposal.
>Manpower
Scraping the bottom of the barrel, depleted, moderate, ample, vast legions. How many goons you have to throw at your enemies. Hard to put an exact number on these or good terms.
>Fleet
None, a handful of system ships, a handful of not-star-destroyers, a star destroyer, a handful of star destroyers, a fleet of star destroyers. Again terrible at phrasing, but at lower levels it would be stuff like Dreadnaughts, Tartans, etc..
>Technology
Outdated, standard, advanced, super science! Maybe the remnant is using old stock from the clone wars/early Empire. Others might have grabbed some fancy new toys, and others may have access to some of the old imperial super science before things collapsed.
>Loyalty
Active coup, scheming underlings, disgruntled grumbling, loyal, committed, fanatical devotion. Basically how willing your goons are to die for you.
>Secret Weapon
Cache of experimental weapons, research facilities, super star destroyer, superweapon, Sith acolytes, none. What special thing does your warlord have that they can swing around to intimidate people? If you roll shitty, you should default to none unless it would be really funny otherwise.
>Galactic Standing
Literally who?, small fish, minor threat, threat, major threat, priority threat, peaceful. How much does everyone else want you dead? Are you actively negotiating with other polities like the New Republic or other remnant states?
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You should play Legion
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>>97934377
>If anything the reverse would be true.
How so?
>modest self-contained principalities with the right combination of isolation, resources, and X-Factor required to resist conquest by the New Republic
It is these Remnants I am referring to, or do you think a small sector-wide government should have the same resources as a highly centralized Galactic Empire?
>Again if anything the reverse would be true. Post-Imperial Imperials would cleave to Imperial ideas like uniformity and eradication of the self in favour of viewing individuals as extensions of the state even harder than before
By what apparatus would Imperial Warlords ensure 100% compliance in an already failing side state? Why would Imperial Warlords remain 100% the same after the fall of the Empire and not enact their own personal desires upon their slice of the galaxy? You're referring to civilian immigrant groups, not actual warlord states. If you look in Africa or the Middle East the collapse of a state leads to the creation of many radically different separatist and remnant groups, not the opposite
>The universal logic of women and gays, I wonder which you are
A fan of George Lucas and star wars. Star Wars has always valued aesthetic beauty and clarity. There's a reason the Rebels don't have Imperial ships on screen, and there's a reason the Imperial fleet aren't dogshit EU dildo ships. I know you are an ESL:
>Post-Imperial Imperials would cleave to Imperial ideas like uniformity
So things like objective beauty are beyond your primitive mud culture. I know you really really like clean and neat Stormtroopers, but there is an era for that and some Warlords that do that.
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Does anyone have a good, clear picture of the rifle prop Luke carried at the beginning of ANH (the one that got smashed when he was attacked by Sand People after finding R2)? I can only seem to find distant or blurry images of it that obscure details, and I'm not sure it's entirely in frame in any scene in the movie.
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How will Clonecels recover from this?
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>>97937591
The problem for me is the amount of tokens and "gotcha" gameplay that the game seems to have. I have never played it, though, but this is what I get from the learn to play videos that I've seen. I enjoy more narrative games, and even if I'd be playing with friends, I fear the millions of tokens would kinda ruin the experience
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Thoughts on the Compellor-class?
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>>97916529
I sure wish I could play more.
I went to a tournament last weeked and it was great, even if I lost a lot.
It was a good learning experience.
As one of my opponent said, I need to take a less complex list when going to a 2-days tournament.
Lando and Jyn are very cool but they are hard to use and require constantl planning and thinking ahead unlike AT-RTS, A-A5 buses or a hero with a big repeater which are more straightforward.
I just like Jyn a lot, but she is probably easier to play as an upgrade than as a standalone character.
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>>97938392
Looks like it's based on the Jezail, which was a weapon of the 19th century Afghans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jezail
You can likely take inspiration from there.
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>>97935395
Have you considered going for more of a Japanese holdout situation?
An entire quadrant that's just been labelled as "We don't go there" because the local stormtroopers are half feral autists who hide out innwoods and will punji stick your ship.
Maybe base it around an old Imperial academy, young, half-trained ideologues who were left abandoned by the Moffs and are getting by on raw autism.
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BELLATOR
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>>97939411
It's definitely designed in the style of middle-eastern muzzle loaders. I was curious to know if there are any detailed images of the prop itself - especially the section above the trigger where the Star Wars greebles are presumably attached. It would be interesting to know if that's the receiver of some real firearm.
I kind of suspect it's just a vaguely stock-shaped piece of wood with a pipe tied to it, though, which would explain why you never see it closer. It's a strange and interesting looking weapon, but one of the few from the movies that no one ever seemed to care about enough to put into toys or other merchandise much. I'd still like to know if anyone has spotted it in photos taken of the sets while the movie was being shot or something.
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>>97939875
My group recently got together with plans to start up a new Star Wars campaign actually, and figured the FFG rules were the best bet.
I swung by here to grab some of the resources I was missing and ask if anyone had any tips. I've only really run the game once as a one shot and that was a while ago.
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>>97939282
Not a fan. Like a lot of Fractal's original Star Destroyer designs, it has way too many turrets. Visible turrets should be clustered only at the lower edge of the superstructure, without those forward turrets batteries along the outer edge of the hull. Also, the flat, slab-sided superstructure that extends forward of the bridge doesn't fit the Kuat design language. That part should have an angled armored top and greebly sides like the other terraces of superstructure.
Aside from the design issues, what the hell is it supposed to do in the Imperial Navy? The proliferation of these fan designs that are larger than an ISD while still being smaller than an SSD don't make much sense for the Galactic Civil War era, when the Empire was mostly dealing with starfighter raids.
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>>97940101
I liked it a lot more after adopting zone based combat. A bit more clear than range bands and TotM for people who prefer that, and you can use some of those cool land and space scapes as battle maps with just a little work, see pic.
The d6 system converts fairly easily, which means you can raid the d6 holocron site for adventures maps, npcs etc.
Remember that star wars is pulpy and kitschy and started in the 70s, don't be afraid to embrace those things. Dont be afraid of some humor, Lucas wasn't.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iBa-pNRy63ZgreRhXehUf2hrSFl2U5cIYY ilFvDG8RE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.p1 h346eyegl
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>>97940703
That is a very interesting set of houserules. I do have some players who I think are a bit more accustomed to grid-based combat, so having something to visualize like that could be rather helpful.
Stealing from the d6 system's adventures also sounds like a handy idea.
And I was planning on setting things on the fringes of the galaxy, so that I could have an excuse for things to get weird. I'm not sure how well I'll be able to capture some of the sort of pulpy sword-and-planet aspects, since I'm a bit worried the players might make a bunch of assassin droids and no-nonsense bounty hunters, but I'll see where it goes.
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>>97941897
Yoda, Mace Windu, Kyp Durron, and Vitiate are probably the top 4 of known Force sensitives. Revan may round out the group to 5, but figuring out a top 20 is going to be nearly impossible. You'd basically have to look for what you'd statistically say is "once in a thousand years" levels of talent or so. Of which Palpatine would be one, the Skywalkers are the exception by being Force demigods.
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>>97938772
Padme is based, no wonder Sheev wanted to get rid of Dooku
Should have focused on making her believe in the Empire alongside Anakin and the Empire would have ruled forever, too bad Sidious doesn't believe in love cause he never got any bitches
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>>97939452
Eclipses are fucking retarded
The Executor is the only SSD and it belongs to Vader. Maybe you can give larger ships like Allegiances to Moffs. But this obsession people have with the Empire having trillions of massive ships is retarded
Also in EaW one got stolen by a bunch of fucking pirates
>>97940304
Reminder that Fractalfags believe the Rebellion is a whole army with planets and factories and tons of massive ships despite the movies proving otherwise (then again they fucking hate SW and hate Luke and Anakin and the hero's journey and they just want to be special little boys like pseudo-trekkies)
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>>97942064
>only SSD
Not even a fractalfag but Han says in RotJ that there are "a lot" of command ships. There probably aren't hundreds of them, that's retarded, but 10-20 SSDs isn't beyond the pale and would count as "a lot" enough to qualify while making Han's comment make sense, as in he couldn't recognise one SSD from another at a glance - if there was only one SSD, Executor, then he'd immediately know it was Vader.
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>>97942092
I've heard this explanation before and it's really stupid. "Command ship" just refers to ships which command other ships, ISDs can take that role in Endor. Sure the Executor is notable but there are other ships.
The only way I buy 10 Executors is if it allows for story diversity, otherwise there's one for Vader because he's Palpatine's little dog.
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>>97940544
I now imagine a bunch of holonet commercials trying to sell you 100% authentic* Twi'lek bath-houses
*not actually made on Ryloth, staff to be purchased seperately
And when you visit Ryoth, you meet a version of the Cabbage Vendor, but he actually tries to sell you a Twi'lek Bath for installation on your ship.He obviously never makes a sale, so his 14 super hot cousins and nieces all just run noodle shops around the spaceport.
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>>97942125
The point Han is making is that they can't be sure if that particular ship is Vader's because there's other command ships, which only makes sense if Vader's ship isn't immediately distinguishable from the other ones. If the rest are just regular ISDs, the Executor can be immediately identified for having a complete different silhouette and being over 10 times longer.
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>>97942432
Vader could be in any other ISD, so Han's quote makes sense. Besides we don't see any other Executor on Endor and it wouldn't make sense for Han to say "hey Vader could be in the other corner of the galaxy right now"
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>>97942125
Given the size of the SW galaxy, number of sectors, inhabited planets etc., a dozen or more of these SSDs are perfectly acceptable, even if we never see them.
Same for other types of SSDs, the analogy here would be like Station Flagships in the Age of Sail.
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>>97942489
This is caring more about worldbuilding than stories. I can only accept more SSDs if they contribute to the story positively. Otherwise, the Exectur being exclusive to Vader is fine
Obsession with worldbuilding has fucked a lot of the SW community
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>>97942125
Retard, they are explicitly pointing out Vader’s very large very distinguishable ship as “the command ship”
>>97942436
Oh okay you’ve just legit never actually watched the movie,
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I have some Bandai spirits Star Wars snap fit miniature models.
Millennium Falcon and X-Wing.
The sticker sheet is the most intimidating part because I don't want to screw them up and they aren't decals to me.
Any method or tools to remove them off the sheet and apply them with better accuracy?
If this is the wrong place to ask where should I ask on this website instead?
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Are any of you guys going to watch the Mandalorian movie?
I have zero interest after season 3
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>>97944528
I might watch it in theaters, but mostly as an excuse to see my sister.
Otherwise, It'll probably go on the get-around-to-it-eventually list, like Bad Bitches S3, Andor S2, Tales of the Underworld, and that Maul show.
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>>97944528
I don't want to see it in theatres because now too many people in theatres are loud.
I still remember watching Hunger Games via a school trip and the girls kept screaming.
Wanted my money and time back.
I expect that theatre reactions will be stupidly loud for this Star Wars movie.
But I do hope that the original Imperial Remnant StormTrooper motley designs actually appear this time.
The pic is at >>97917495
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>>97944528
After watching the trailers, I came to the conclusion I want to "watch" the movie, but I don't want to go see it. I'll watch it onsomeone else'sDisney+, but I don't want to shell out like $15 to go sit in a theater and see it.
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>>97942495
Lack of worldbuilding led to the sequels, and the PT required TCW to fill in the blanks.
Attempting to tell a story on its own is fine, but tellling a story that happens on the canvas of a fleshed out world is far better.
Please note: This doesn't mean every single alien in the cantina needs a name and a novel.
Nobody cares about glup shitto, kid fisto, jedi master kek, etc etc.
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>>97938392
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>>97943217
I'm not an OT purist, most extra SSDs add jack shit to where they appear. If the SSD adds nothing to the story then it isn't necessary
>>97943531
>Oh okay you’ve just legit never actually watched the movie
Neither have you. What kind of retarded answer would Han be giving if he genuinely meant "hey Luke, there are tons of Executors and Vader may not even be protecting the new super duper planet destroyer like last time, he could be on the other side of the galaxy doing fuck all"
Again, too much focus on what one line means and no actual thought that other Executors should only exist if they add something important to their corresponding plots. The Executor in ESB/RotJ adds to the story, whereas unfortunately a bunch of the EU ones do jack shit but being background noise
>>97944710
>Lack of worldbuilding led to the sequels
No, the Sequels reusing the OT plotline but without any actual narrative effort put in is what led to them sucking ass, that and Ruin Johnson coming in midway to fuck over the few good things JJ did and make a movie that's basically "Star Wars sucks, it should be let die and turn into pure political nonsense"
>the PT required TCW to fill in the blanks
lmaoooo
The Prequels work perfectly as standalone products and the MMP added a lot that made them even better, TCW did jack shit except fuck them up completely with retarded kiddie nonsense and characters
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>>97946456
>No, the Sequels reusing the OT plotline but without any actual narrative effor
So you're saying the sequels tried to copy the OT, but failed because instead of being a plot told in a fleshed out universe they dropped the fleshed out universe and the actual plot?
And yes, the moment RJ started doing whatefver it was he tried to do the whole thing was doomed.
I still stand by my point that the existence of a wieder background (which is waht GL wrote for teh OT) was essential for that trilogy, and it massively helped all the D6 RPG and EU material to remain on track in the late 80s and through teh 90s.
I also stand by the point that the PT massively wasted screen time with unrelated bullshit and thus required novels, comics, cartoons etc. to actually tell the story of the fucking Clone Wars.
That doesn't mean the PT were bad, or didn't work as movies, they mostly were OK.
It is noticeable how a lot of material ended up based off the cartoon, though.
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>>97946487
>you're saying the sequels tried to copy the OT, but failed because instead of being a plot told in a fleshed out universe they dropped the fleshed out universe and the actual plot?
The universe is secondary, and there IS worldbuilding though it isn't told that well. The issue is the ST has no actual narrative based on archetypes and tried and true storytelling techniques. Rey is Luke but she doesn't have a hero's journey. Finn and Poe don't do anything. Kylo's motivations are fickle and inconsistent. The movies often end up being random collages of unrelated shit because that's pretty much what they are, random scenes pieces together with Disney's patented scrapbooking technique. And it sucks ass. This has less to do with the worldbuilding and just the narrative itself being meaningless and repetitive
>the PT massively wasted screen time with unrelated bullshit and thus required novels, comics, cartoons etc. to actually tell the story of the fucking Clone Wars.
The PT were never about the Clone Wars. They were about Anakin's fall to the dark and Palpatine's rise to power. The Clone Wars were the setting and not the main plot
>It is noticeable how a lot of material ended up based off the cartoon
The cartoon itself was largely based on taking shit from the EU and CWMMP especially and then reduing it to shit 5yo could understand
And it only really became important over everything else because Disney saw potential in Filoni's childish storytelling and so they kept him in while decanonizing everything else in the franchise barring the movies
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>>97946541
>The universe is secondary
This is where Ihave to respectfully siagree.
It's the very root of why the movies were so shit.
If you are making the third trilogy in a universe esablished decades ago, you HAVE to get the universe, the setting, right. If you don't do that, you might end up making OK movies that feel nothing like Star Wars.
Or just go full glup shitto mode and make three shit movies that wear Star War skinsuits while doing le mystery boxes and le ebin subverted expectations, like Disney did.
>The PT were never about the Clone Wars.
Yes, and keeping the focus on Ani as a child and a moody teenager massively hurt the movies, on top of Gungans, Geonosis, etc.
>Disney saw potential in Filoni's childish storytelling
Most of TCW happened years before Disney took over. Shifting to that cartoon was clearly a pre-Disney Lucasfilm decision.
Rebels was the first thing that happened post Disney takeover, and it really was done on a shoestring budget, clearly not a thing Disney went all in on with loads of money.
And it ended up being relatively adult, for a Disney cartoon, too. It really broke the mold of what we could cosnider a 'typical' Disney cartoon, and it was a break from what Filoni did with TCW. It had, and let this sink in, NEW CHARACTERS. And they were not all shitty mary sues, self inserts or just plain awful.
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>>97946609
>typos fucking everywhere
Fuck me, sorry. Need more coffee.
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>>97917495
>enjoy some of the canon stuff?
That's the best part: Disney isn't canon. A corporation does not determine canonicity, nor does a legal document or marketing department.
We do.
There was an excellent smuglo thread about the post-rebellion galaxy, and I mainrain that 20 ABY is the best fucking setting.
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Don't forget to crush a hut of tusken kids today.
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>>97946986
Can non-tactical droids ever really be "veteran?"
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>>97946456
>What kind of retarded answer would Han be giving if he genuinely meant "hey Luke, there are tons of Executors and Vader may not even be protecting the new super duper planet destroyer like last time, he could be on the other side of the galaxy doing fuck all"
Jesus christ dude, you are literally one of those mentally deficients incapable of contemplating how it would feel if you didn't eat breakfast.
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>>97946809
Most Jedi could not do this.
Of the 10,000 Jedi Knights alive at the start of the Clone Wars, I can safely assume that the "buckshot trick" would work on (or at least help against) at least 9,500 of them. The more Force users each "side" has at any given moment, the more likely any given individual is a complete jobber. Coleman Trebor was a Council member and got slimed by a guy leisurely plinking at him with a blaster pistol.
Darth Bane wasn't exactly right about how the Force works, but he was observing a real phenomenon and was trying to make sense of it without knowledge of being a fictional character.
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>>97948329
We have one NuCanon image of Obi Wan fighting someone with a slugthrower and he wasn't expecting it.
He got splattered with bits of burning metal after the bullets passed through the lightsaber. Enough to hurt when they burned through his robe, but not enough to seriously inconvenience him for the fight.
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>>97948344
Is this the one you're referring to? Are you sure this is Nu-Canon? I could have sworn it was older than that.
Also, just gonna point out that whoever he was fighting apparently purchased a slugthrower manufactured by Aperature Science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K17tnZ9S6Y
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>>97942205
Kyp is extremely strong in the Force, it's noted when Luke checks him and when he's training him. Kyp will probably never reach Yoda's level of expressed potential, but that's because Yoda lived for centuries, Kyp is human and will probably only make it to around 150-160, but he definitely has a huge talent.
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>>97946456
>Vader may not even be protecting the new super duper planet destroyer like last time, he could be on the other side of the galaxy doing fuck all
Or he may be off dealing with the reports of the Rebel fleet massing near Sullust that Han probably knows about because as a general he was part of the operational planning for the feint? There's plenty of other things Vader could be doing besides playing guard dog.
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>>97949863
Probably one of the best times to get into it. We are regularly getting new things. For CIS, Trench, Savage and Vulture droids are on the horizon for now
I highly recommend getting 2 copies of the starter set, it has amazing value.
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>>97949863
There is no better time to get into Legion imo, especially as a CISfag.
The starter set is amazing value for its cost and almost all CIS units are available in hard plastic which looks better than the old soft plastic minis.
3D printed minis for proxies for just about anything are also really easy to find nowadays if that's more your thing.
As for what's upcoming for CIS there will be a box with all the Separatist commanders and operative in July-September.
There is also a generic Mando hero coming in July which can be taken in any faction.
The only thing that may be harder to get are the Bounty Hunters, Bossk and Cad Bane.
If you like big vehicle spam, CIS also just got some new rules allowing them to use more tanks and wheelbikes.
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Not sure if anyone here cares, but X-wing alliance has recently released a big update for X-wing
**PNP new cards**: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aTmJ4pB9srpYSjrUn7bY80d2dy8Toud5/view
**PAPA Points Document : **https://drive.google.com/file/d/1URAj5wXAXFXaX57tlgv19CcZ8CpvcbGt/vi ew
**Patch Notes:** https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DY40A0uuYvbD_R_V76vgAugr5AvcWjXf/view ?usp=drivesdk
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>>97949664
>bullets btfo jedi
They don't.
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>>97951566
The eternal jobber keeps jobbing
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>>97916374
I never got the obsession people had, even in the EU and Disney canons, to give the rebels superduper special custom fighters. They're fucking guerrilla forces using scrapyard ships, they don't have factories to mass produce custom fighters
I get you want each side to have custom ships but just have X-Wings be common local security fighters you never see and boom, problem solved, far less retarded than Fresia
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>>97951566
There is only one image in my library that adequately communicates the level of mirth I feel at this information.
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>>97953223
Imperial Autists want everything in the setting to look like the Empire.
>OT? Well the Rebels should obviously use stolen Imperial ships and armors all the time
>PT? Hey guys check out my Clone Wars era Victory Star Destroyer!
>Old Republic? KOTOR's aesthetic is lame make the Republic army be red and white stormtroopers, make the sith army be black stormtroopers
>Post-OT? Obviously all Imperial remnant factions are 1::1 the same aesthetically as they were before the Empire fell. Also the Rebels should only use Imperial surplus
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>>97953574
>the Rebels should obviously use stolen Imperial ships and armors all the time
Not just Imperial ones but the Rebels BY DEFINITION are a guerilla force using scrapyard fighters and low-cost vehicles from the Outer Rim. They don't own factories and lack the manpower and materials to produce custom fighters (picrel is how Joe Johnston INTENDED the X-Wings to be, likely part of Alderaanian defense fleets and kept barely working by the Rebellion through maintenance)
>Clone Wars era Victory Star Destroyer
This was always implied even in old D6 retard, though I can agree that putting ISDs in the CW is really stupid since they're an evolution of the Venator and Victory
>Old Republic?
Should have not been OT but with slight aesthetic changes, I agree there
>Obviously all Imperial remnant factions are 1::1 the same aesthetically as they were before the Empire fell
A lot of them are different though
>Also the Rebels should only use Imperial surplus
Precisely here is where they should start building their own shit, the fucking issue is that the EU NR ships are ugly as sin. I'd rather have more standard Mon Calamari ships than the abominations they called "NR Star Destroyers"
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>>97953223
The X-Wing is a Spitfire and Spitfires are awesome.
>they don't have factories to mass produce custom fighters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_shadow_factories
Sure they do. In fact, they have more factories than the empire does, just rather smaller on average.
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>>97953860
>Sure they do. In fact, they have more factories than the empire does, just rather smaller on average.
The Rebels are not the Brits, they're the Vietcong with zero support. They don't have factories except in games like EaW where they have them for balance reasons
If they had factories, the Empire would easily find them and crush them instantly, the Rebels have to keep moving to avoid detection
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>>97953876
If the Rebels had worlds supporting them before Yavin, they wouldn't be hiding in an abandoned temple on a random moon (well, random to them) or on Dantooine which is just random farmers and no mining capacity
Even when worlds "support" them, few actually keep them in and are even invaded by the Empire so they can't. For instance the Mon Cala support the Rebels by RotJ but their planet is under heavy Imperial occupation so Ackbar and his crew are people who got out and aren't forced into staying
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>>97939395
>In one of the coolest sci-fi universes ever made, the most powerful spammed units in the tabletop game are the most generic stupid looking rectangle buses ever designed
This is why this gay shit will never even come close to competing with 40K. Out of all the cool possible vehicles and mechs, they pick this literal mail truck. Embarrassing as fuck.
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>>97953938
Star Wars struggles with scale issues, but I think the gist of it is that the main leaders and the elite attack groups are the ones hiding in deep space or remote planets, but they also have plenty of sympathizers on civilized worlds who "accidentally" lose stuff and give them to local rebel cells, who in turn give the best stuff to the core rebel groups
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>>97953938
There's a difference between "We'll supply you with some assets, equipment and gear" and "Sure thing, come hang out in our back yard."
I imagine the Imperial Auditors would take a backhand for "Oh, some parts went missing from the XxXSheevySupremeXxX project" but might raise an eyebrow if the Bothan Unions start hanging out around the water cooler
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>>97953574
Too be fair, the various Stormtroopers and Clone troopers are some of the best-looking sci-fi infantry ever. Personally, only the Spartans from Halo and the Helghast from Killzone are even worth mentioning alongside them, everything else is derivative, forgettable, or just stupid-looking.