>>97920521
I'm gonna have 4 launcher rapiers.
2 Scorps.
2 whirlwinds.
Then, when plastic bombards come out, I'll remove something from my list to take 2 of those.

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>>97920663
then get a Typhon for your LOW and become lord of the pie plates.

>>97920678
This unironically feels like something perturabo would say in a slightly more artistic manner in a BL book and "people" would call it good writing

https://gofile.io/d/tjAlyM

cunts

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>>97920710

>>97920678
>>97920710
"Here," Perturabo said, indicating a location on the hololith "Re-deploy the typhons there. Tell them to fire at will."
"But my Primarch, the area is full of narrow passages. Our forces are engaged in melee even."
Perturabo glowered at the officer. "First, never question me again. I will tolerate it this time because you are an inductii. Second, narrow passages filled with melee combatants is an elegant equation for maximal firepower saturation."
"As you command, my Primarch."

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>>97920710
Perturabo using his gigaspergbrain to wax poetic about how he wants to fuck a tank is far too based and full of character for Boys Love.

What do use to represent a phospex bomb? I was thinking a breaching charge.

>>97920861
I used a meltabomb from the tac squad sprue and just gave it green markings

>>97920643
>TQ:
I would argue the Raven Guard only beat out the Alpha Legion in outright stealth. They didn't really have the strategic mindset required to effectively conduct covert ops, and their method of stealth (not being seen) was less suited to long term ops compared to infiltration and being seen as someone else. The RG are better at guerilla warfare but sabotage, assassination, espionage, infiltration, political manipulation, etc. are better done by the AL.
This is kinda part of why I find the AL both boring and interesting in that they're one of the few legions that really displays the superhuman thinkers aspect of marines but it kind of leads to them being written very poorly (because BL writers can't write smart characters) and making everyone else involved into absolute retards. The fact that they take very few outright losses compared to other legions also makes them less interesting than their brethren.
t. Raven guard player who thinks Deliverance is worse than Battle for the Abyss (random legionnaire can act convincingly enough to fool a primarch)

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Which 3D sculptor is closest to GW in both style and proportions?

>>97920831
>'But Fulgrim.. We can't!' Ferrus interjected. 'We're both boys...!'

>>97920960
Which style, and which proportions?

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>>97921019

>>97920960
What are you looking for? FW era plastics GW ones? Marines?

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For the love of fuck so many magi and tech priests and I STILL need more, need some laecrymata magi to lead my tech thrall hordes and buff my ursarax for them to be a full fledged army.

>>97921037
>>97921277
Something that would work with modern plastic proportions but retain the earlier designs. Bloated truescalers and cowards going off-model need not apply.

>>97920244
Jack of all trades is also a niche. Missile launchers with krak, frag and flakk missiles didn't make other heavy weapons obsolete.

>>97920643
>TQ

UM

you never hear about them doing ANY

>>97921432
Would be nice if GW explored the nasty politicking of the Roman senate and such. The whole UM are Roman legionaries thing is really cool but also really flat.

What if I modelled my veterans true grit style bolter in one hand melee wepon in other? Anyone done this?

>>97921432
They had a whole ass RoW for that.

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>>97921545
all of my tacticals have bolters and bolt pistols and chainaxes
they're intended to be interchangeable in serving as veterans atop in the 2.0 schema
a few examples have their bolter and melee implement out at the same time

>>97921576
Nice, seems way better than strapping a bolter on the hips that doesn't really fit

>>97921628
i just suppose/impose/assume/pretend that there are maglock interfaces on their power plants for the ones that have full bolters stowed with a pistol and axe out
those with a bolter in either hand stow their axes similarly

>>97921636
I think they maglocked guns on their hips in the books, but it looks weird on the older smaller models.

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>>97921527

I just wish there was more stuff about the political/ceremonial role of legionaries during the great crusade like the Crusader.

I want a short story about the 100 years that World Eaters Sgt Tagore spent in the Crusader Host having to take part in some tedious ceremony and bickering with the senate.

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>>97920643
I keep hearing AL won in 3.0. But charges are no longer slowed by difficult terrain, vehicles are no longer affected by their trait, Saboteurs are locked to knife only (always lose combat) and their melta bombs can neither kill a vehicle nor status them.
I think it's Lerneans who won, not necessarily the legion itself.

>>97921284
I want Reductors to fly...but I also want them to have something to buff that is land-based like them.
I wish cyber theurgy was cool like before. +1 to X feels 40k.

Cool minis, I'd shoot them on sight.

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>>97921576
Very nice. Can we get a close up on the model at the farm right? A dome head. Looks as if you had a Tau Stealth suit as a marine.

>>97921725
Charges are now 1D6 max distance. If the opponent needs to do a charge roll it's a 50% chance to fail at worst, even if they're the minimum distance of just over 1" away. Is set up moves weren't a thing AL would be a hard counter to melee units/armies.
Saboteur's special rule is way better, ideal for objective denial shenanigans. And False Colours now only drops after reaching base to base contact, so no volley fire/overwatch when charging. A tactical squad or HSS still won't win combat against him, and costs more points.
The headhunter leviathal detachment also allows for all kinds of shenanigans.
Headhunters are one of the few units that can still have a meltabomb on every model, can reliably destroy AV 14 or even super-heavies for relatively dirt cheap.

>>97921725
didnt headhunters lose combi meltas and multi melta

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>>97921768
these are just a few novel marines amidst the horde that represent salvaged casualties subject to some gradient or another of pseudo-thallaxization individual by individual, bridgin' that dreadnought gap frfr
i have a big liking for the heavy mechanized infantry of maschinen krieger so when i found an stl with some similar stuff to serve as a basis i decided to do something with them, if but for a handful of models in the way of a wink wink nudge nudge easter egg visual gag sort of thing

>>97921853
No. Multi-melta is still on their unit entry, and legacies gives them combi-weapons.

>>97921856
what armour are these? looks like the space king almost

>>97921863
ok, funny how they panic released legacies after shitting ze bed.

>>97921864
'gallus hardsuit' is what they might be found under on the right telegram channels

>>97921870
>Announced at the same time as everything else
>Released on schedule of the roadmap
>What was announced to contain the missing options and units, which the legacies did
>"panic released"
Sure thing bud.

>>97921890
The initially 3.0 release was a shit show because they took out so much wargear options and entries, you aware?

>>97921851
>A tactical squad or HSS still won't win combat against him, and costs more points.
But the saboteur will kill one guy. That's +1. He will also be outnumbered. -1. It better be a HSS unit getting locked all game long, but 10 Tacticals cost pretty much the same as him. They would actually win if they had a vexilla.
At least it makes units unable to score. But back them, he uses to make units outright dead with sweeping. Guess this is more fair to be honest.

>>97921915
The 3.0 release was a shit show because people don't pay attention and can't read. GW warned them ahead of time how the rules and options would be distributed across books and PDF rules. But people these days are illiterate fucks with the attention span of a goldfish on fent, only the most hyperbolic clickbait and ragebait registers with them. GW literally told them where things would be and in which order those would be released, and still HH players got mad because they're all dumb retarded manchildren.

>>97921643
I was thinking more about a bunch of UM praetors being all smiles and handshakes in public and them backstabbing each other for personal gain without compromising the whole operation. Make them more human! Not just the “perfect soldiers good guys in blue”. With that said, a story about a brute warrior having to deal with bureaucracy, politics, etc after conquest sounds like comedy good.

If only the writers at BL were capable of something like that…

>>97921979
You telling me you're gonna fuck me in the ass isn't gonna unfuck my ass.

>>97921725
My opinion on each AL “thing”

>legion trait
Charges are a bit tricky to handle with the legion trait since it only applies, as far as I understand it, to the 12” check at the beginning and the last roll after volley fire. If your opponent has a good setup move then you are fucked (i.e. assault squads). Other than that it’s the same easy to understand hard to master legion trait.

>gambit
Good for handling high initiative enemies that can fuck you up, like a Champion with a Paragon blade. But you can use it only in the first round. Situational, but it’s a pretty common situation considering everyone and their mother is spamming Champions with Paragon of battle.
>detachment
Pretty good if you lean into the “green beret” side of the army, which is what most people are going to do anyway.
>reaction
Hot garbage. Gimme the old one back! At least you can use it as many times as you want…
>alpharius
Haven’t used it yet because my usual mates and events don’t use name characters. But, on paper looks as underwhelming as the other primarcs compared to their prior iterations.
>armillus
Read above. Giving infiltrate could be cool but you need to think hard about what you want to have in the middle of the board without support.
>lernaean
Busted. One of the best units in the game. From wet fart to killing contemptors in one round of combat.
>headhunters
Not much different from the prior version. Same role, same weaknesses, same strengths. (>>97921853, they still have access to them)
>exodus
Critical hits on a 4+ and damage 3 is pretty good. For 165 points I love flipping a coin to see if I popped your commanders’ heads.

>>97922063
Gold

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Is there anywhere to source mk4 style power fists? I don't really like how rounded the ones from the new kits are.

>>97922078
Cont.
>saboteur
Lack of options can be limiting, I’ll give you that. Infiltrate 6 lets you get closer to the thing you want to blow up and some people can get distracted by him and overestimate it’s threat level (which I think is exactly the point). Regarding damage output, melta bombs do 4 damage and the good old rhino has 5 hull points so you do the math. Anything with 4 hull points or less is in danger. On one of my most recent games I blew up two Medusas with him.
>effrit
Love them. The way their jammer works now pairs nicely with statuses and the saboteur rules. Leave them in the middle of the board and force your opponent to either deal with them or let them be a nuisance.
>inductii
Literally the same rules. Access to combiweapons is nice but you’ll mostly want to rhino rush with them for scoring and speed bumping. Also note that RAW you could take other Inductii using..
>regards of treachery
Slight improvement IMO. If you want to take more than 1 you are no longer forced to take 3 of the same unit. You are sacrificing on taking the Army Vanguard detachment but you have 3 slots to pick whatever non-AL you want so it’s not that big of a deal. A bunch of officers in AL blue, some marines faking being other legion and an allied detachment doing the “grunt work” looks as AL as you can get.

And I think that’s everything? Overall I think they are pretty much the same. We lost the busted unique reaction but gained a busted terminator unit while the rest is pretty much the same. If you are a massive waac asshole just spam seekers and lernaeans and you are good to go I guess. But, where’s the fun on that?

>>97922063
But enough about our meeting in that gay bar.

>>97922078
Previous AL reaction was insanely good though, can see why they lost it. I've won so many games because of it.

>>97921979
>All that boot throating.
>GW literally told them where things would be and in which order those would be released
And they failed to adhere to their roadmap on the FIRST date by several days to realease a text only pdf? If everything was so well planned ahead then why did they fail their own roadmap on the date the closest adjacent to the leak fiasco?
You have the soul of an Indian.

>>97921890
Which is why they released a pdf without the consul variants and terminators with powerfists before the shitstorm and then updated it to have them after it. Just as always intended.

>>97922163
yeah the plastic mk4 box

>>97921979
Why are you such a GW paypiggy cuck

'orus 'eresy

>>97922467
Because 3rd party models look like this >>97921856

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>>97922473
up the center m8

>>97921725
You can be 1" away from an AL unit and fail a charge.
Also, Inductii are crazy for t1 objective rushes.

DA Inductii worthwhile? 100 point volkite squads with line sound fun but idk if its better than FOTL bolters. Rhino rush maybe.

>>97922586
If you like volkite they're just objectively better volkite TSS, if you don't like volkite then no they aren't

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I wanted to avoid edge highlighting with my blackshields but I saw a cool single-color moritat and wanted to try that out so I had to keep the sponging down.

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>>97922611
>three guns

>>97922586
Against certain targets volkite chargers are slightly better than FOTL bolters. But the main difference is the range, you don't take either unit to do damage lmfao.
But DA inductii are worth it as dirt cheap back-up line units alone. And a 20 man squad shooting volley fire is hella fun.

>>97922611
>>97922639
What if melee Moritat with double wrist bolters?

>>97922726
>Edward bolter-hands

>>97922693
Why are Tactical Inductii are cheaper than Tacticals, but Despoiler Inductii cost the same?

>>97922511
Chaos jockey

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This probably incredible autism on my part, but is there an “ideal” distribution of armor marks based on your legion? I’m starting some Sons of Horus, and have slightly more Mk III than Mk VI, and I have bits of Mk II and Mk IV to blend in to make mongrelized armor sets for inductii. I don’t know why it’s bugging me, but it is.

>>97922992
Tactical inductii lose the rule tacticals have that gives them Heavy (1) if they remained stationary. 100 points for worse Line and worse shooting doesn’t make any sense. 90 points however is more reasonable.

>>97923007
Traitor legions had mostly Mk3 and Mk4
Loyalists had mostly Mk2, 3 and a few had a sizeable amount of 4 like UM.
AL and RG had a good amount of Mk6 because of the obvious reasons.

Thats not to say you CANT have any mark in any legion.

>>97923039
I’d prefer Mk IV over Mk VI if they’d ever get around to updating it, honestly.

>>97922078
>Gambit
Say You Are Alpharius and you'll get treated like Alpharius: the other guy will simply take Finishing Blow now that he goes last (my meta is Termie Hammer 24/7).
Its only use is to negate Seize on the first turn WHEN you pick gambits second (so you are the challengee)

>Exodus
For that cost, maybe taking an actual Vigilator is the better idea, especially when Primed. He'd unlock another detachment instead of consume a valuable Elites slot

>Armillus
Got a bit harder to use but that's not new nor too relevant. The main difficulty is him being a melee model that infiltrates and thus cannot fight in the first turn, so he gotta hide or/and deploy in a unit that can both fight and shoot (Centurion Command?)
Now that unit only against infiltrate if he deploys with them, instead of being able to be deployed on their own. And they can ot be Bulky like before. Now that Infiltrate doesn't confer to DTs. Now that there's no DTs to begin with. Eh, it's a different game. RIP 1.0 "Lord of the Breach" Dynat

>Banestrike Shotguns
I just don't believe in them. Combi-banestrikes at least have 4 shots to try get that 6. Shotguns don't

>>97923087
Exodus is more flexible than a vigilator, can run around and snipe nuncio vox and sergeants with rapid shot, often with the same shooting attack. Also doesn't force you to use the prime command slot on paragon to become useful.

>>97923007
O mk8 gorget...

>>97922726
The equipment restrictions imposedon HQs is so repugnant

Fellas, feelings on orange plasma for Ultramarines? Blue and red both feel wrong

>>97923298
>painting the guns the wrong color
Almost as bad as using pr*maris bits

>>97923298
I would not do it, orange does not really look good for them. Green plasma would be really good on ultras.

>>97923298
I feel like everytime I see plasma not painted blue my mind has trouble recognizing it as a generic plasma weapon, between green being the legion specific plasma guns WB have and red/orange being used by volkite guns.

>>97923298
Bare metal, like GW used to do it before the le glowing epic plasma meme cane to be. The coils would only glow when the weapon is being actively fired.

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>>97923375
>wrong colour

leave /tg/, never return

>>97923087
Exodus has a native 5+++ a redundant Smokescreen, better Cool, better snap shots, crits on a 4+ and has a gun that can do magical things to melon-headed boys and AV14 alike, and a poison wind globe, he is absolutely worth the extra 70 points and is in an Elites slot specifically so that you can't spam him endlessly like some kind of frogposter

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>>97923298
Ok, Gunther.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6thQcWAQ0c

>>97923416
>>97923474
>40gay
not canon

>>97923474
It's funny because having played the game it really was the maintenance man.

>>97923087
I second the other anons’ opinions on Exodus. Regarding banestrike bolters vs shotguns. The units wielding them have different roles. Headhunters are for getting that surgical strike on some character you want to see removed, hence the bucket of dice you throw with them with precision, hatred, WS 5, etc. Effrit are for supporting your other units if they apply statuses (and screw with INT rolls when aplicable). The shotguns and knives are there for self defense.

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Found a copy of the Mechanicum Battle Group box, and built it all up.
What Forge World should I go with?
Metalica or Cyclothrathe?

>>97923624
Cyclothrathe. Their fluff is cooler.

>>97923298
Most people take it wrong, thinking that the plasma coil lights up with the colour of plasma, based on rule of cool and DoW2.
It's just a coil, ie metal wire wrapped in solid coloured insulating rubber of any color, or transparent, showing the metal.
The coil creates a magnetic field that acts as barrel for the plasma bolt.
The plasma could shine through, but not as extreme a people like to paint.

>>97923701
Fucking nerd.

>>97923087
>>97923463
Unsure about he being worth the +70 pts, as that is 2/3 of a Seeker squad. I guess this means I ought to bring Exodus but only when I can afford him AND I got enough detachments already. Fortunately the Headhunter detachment is pretty good as it is. Perhaps the best Legion detachment out there!
>you can't spam him endlessly like some kind of frogposter
Allied Detachment
Delegatus - Prime: Logistical - Exodus
Allied Elite Detachment
3x Exodus
1 Prime Logistical: Another Exodus :^)

I wouldn't know where to put the Delegatus. Using melee units feels weird in the Keepaway Legion :S
Guess they are just normal marines in melee. Maybe with Lernaean. Stealing Inner Circle feels like cheating lmao

>>97923701
This is correct, but glowing coils look cool, zo it is actually wrong

>>97920943
>because BL writers can't write smart characters
This is a general writers issue.

>want to collect every Legion, and Mechanicum, and Miilitia
How do you guys narrow yourselves down?

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>>97923039
All legions had all armours all the time, don't be an armour bigot. This hobby is for everyone. If not you will not be missed.

>>97922479
Retard strawman.

>>97923903
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8

Was Saturnine armor introduced during or before the Heresy kicked off?

>>97923846
Every legion outside of Sons of Horus just seemed lame. Militia could be cool, but I’d rather spend my money on more marines.

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>>97923903
you forgot the pic

>>97923936
Around when Istvaan V happened. So right when the Heresy kicked off.

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>>97923846
That's when you pick AL and get to play with every legion's toys

>>97923701
It's a railgun, it's painted that way because the electricity needed to both propel and contain the plasma getting shot is a lot so the coils tend to heat up.

>>97923966
The “glow” of a plasma weapon is meant to be Cherenkov radiation, which would only be visible when the weapon is being fired.

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>>97923976
Which particles travel faster than light here?

>>97923976
Wouldn't they be visible only from the front then? Looking at GW plasma guns those things are pretty beefy compared to the barrel hole.

>>97923996
The gay particles.

>>97923846
Narrow?

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>>97923996
It's not actually Cherenkov's. Electrons are being separated from matter as it gets excited into Plasma, then they are "ejected" into the atmosphere the same way an AC's condenser ejects heat into the air.
These electrons dissipate into the air, exciting the molecules whenever they hit them straight on. In Earth-like air, that's majority Nitrogen, which glows indigo.
In other atmospheres, it might glow a different color, depending on the majority gass.

Source: You were meant to have fun, you fucks, pg. 3.

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>>97924046
...and I though that the glow comes from the plasma itself (described as a small sun).

>>97923996
>troonscale AND shartmaris
Shameful and gay

>>97920734
oh hey it's not dolphin porn this time

>>97923574
you best start believin in 40gay

you are one

>>97921559
Logos Lectora? uhhh

>>97923996
The scaling and proportions of both of these look so fucking bad, i thought this was AI generated.

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>>97924392

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>>97921993
Theres a short story that makes an attempt in the age of darkness anthology, a UM Centurion or something just getting outmaneuvered and ragebaited by silver tongued iterators from the Sons of Horus host on a neutral planet
"Forgotten Sons"

>>97924601
This is why i think RoW are monumentally better then the faggotry we got in 3.0.
RoW had fuck tons of flavor to them.

>>97924677
Agreed.

>>97924677
The loss of RoWs is one of the biggest black mark against 3.0 to me. Along with all the other arbitrary restrictions.

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>>97924866
fuck the ROWs, they are never balanced always feast and fammine between legions. This is exacebated by legions rules blance issues and then stacking with the ROW poor balancing.

>>97924990
>Fuck RoW
The 40k General thread is that way anon.

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Are the * options mutually exclusive or independent?
As in, for every 3 guys, can you take 1 melee weapon and 1 heavy stubber? or can you only take 1 of either per 3 guys?

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>>97924994
played since 2013, run events, always done local club support, and I too thought ROW bring removed may be loss but the hieght of 2.0 bullshit with stuff like stone gauntlent, dread spam and ancients really tunred me off them and now the more stream lined legion rules and special detachments do the same job but with far less balance issues.

Sorry change is hard for you anon, maybe next time hey.

>>97925039
A few bad balanced examples does not justify the removal of a high flavorful system.
You dont throw the baby out with the bath water anon.

>>97924990
>10 cents have been deposited in your account by mr James Workshop

>>97924677 #
>>97924990 #
Don't let them trick you, there's no reason we couldn't have both. Interdiction cadre is shit that would've been a ROW, there's no reason there couldn't have been shit like
>Apex detachment with 3 dread slots (1 prime) and a prime advantage that makes a dread +1 WS, +1 BS, Champion, and Eternal Warrior (1)
>apex Detachment with 2 prime transports and 2 prime heavy transports, prime advantage for any unit with deep strike to come down turn 1 outside the usual limit
Etc etc. The only thing stopping them from giving us what we had and more is laziness and greed

>>97921527
>>97921643
The closest was right before the betrayal at calth with that a marine had proposed a hypothesis on marine vs marine combat which was extremely taboo and he was awaiting trial

>>97924990
>>97925163
>there's no reason we couldn't have both
Would've been nice to have balanced RoWs, but unironically it seems rules can only ever be:
1. Loyalists get Line and HotL on X squads that become Troops
2. No RoWs for anyone
Me, I think one could take the best of the previous two editions and ditch the worst. Guess not! It IS too much to ask for, apparently.

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I'm closer to a Calligraphally solution. I've found out.

>they don't make a flat paintbrushes small enough to paint calligraphy text onto models.
>1mm wide calligraphy felt tips can write directly onto painted plastic but it doesn't dry well still smudging after 24 hours.

Do any anons know how to make it dry quickly?

The way I see it if I want butiful text on a directly on model rather than a paper banner I'll need to either glue a little scroll made of card onto the hull or learn to use a tiny round brush to draw the outline of a letter like a versal then fill it in. Not hard for chunky gothic letters but for anything flowing and tight like half Unical it's going to be extremely hard.

I just want to adorn my titans lads :(

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Why are all the 3e colourplates such absolutely bland dogshit?

>Saturnine plate was among many technologies the Word Bearers and their Dark Mechanicum allies adulterated with the profane. The Phraetus Anointed were the first among a new breed of Saturnine terminators, replacing several advanced components of their armour with containment systems to house a bound daemon

>literally just a standard Saturnine painted black, with a chest eagle of all fucking things

>>97920643
>My dad says the next thread image should be a GG1 edition
unfathomably based

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>>97923819
This general will still complain over books they don’t read

>>97925039
Yeah, for all complaints of muh lost flavour, you only ever saw people play the ROW that were broken as fuck.
I for one am glad I no longer have to rely on GW's good graces to grant the legion I play access to ROW that allowed more of certain units or interesting unit combinations. With the new detachment system I can just build any armylist I like, at the cost of fielding a centurion or two.

>>97925192
I mean here is a hot take.
>Anything that becomes a troop choice either inherently (IE Tacticals) or are promoted to troop choices (IE PotL Terminators can be taken as troops)Lose any form of vanguard and instead gain +1 to an existing line rule up to Line(2) or gain Line (1)

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>>97925195
How do white scars always win?

(Because black book white scars are retarded a rare opposite moment compared to BL)

>>97925195
That eagle isn't an Imperial or loyalist icon, lorelet. It's from Saturn's tech clade.
Some of the resin WE rampager models have the Imperial Aquila on their belt buckle, which is way worse.

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>>97925160
disgusting, a real life tripfag double posting in 2026.

>>97925163
fuck off tripfag

>>97925211
Or here's an idea, don't. There's a reason why the new detachment system let's you skip troops for force org purposes and there's a reason the strongest melee units have vanguard: either learn to play aggressively and board control with your elite units, or take your 10 man tac bitch baby squad and do as previous with a safety net.

>>97925211
FOC modification is less of an issue than before; we already got most of that.
What we lost and didn't regain is the special rules that affected the force. Take the EC: Maru Skara unlocked no units and imposed unit restrictions, but allowed you to Outflank stuff and the rest of your units got a speed boost.
Sure Ironfire unlocked extra Arquitors. But it buffed all your blasts, and it used to make your infantry braver and hardier to work alongside said blasts.

So for my hot take I'd rather focus on what special rules obeying a RoW's limitations gets you, instead of who gets to be Troops for the day. I would really ditch that part.

Hottest take: I'd let EC, BA and WE gain their charge bonus in disordered charges. Their geneseed doesn't deactivate when disembarking a Rhino lmao
>World Eater embarks non-assault transport
>"This feels actually so very calm!"

>>97925205
You can’t defend BL slop with 4 books you dumb mongols

How WOULD a smart character be written, actually? What would that look like? It has to be evident - no subtext nor reading between lines needed.

>>97925401
There's actual good explanations and examples on how to write a smart character you can find on YT and such. Asking us degens shit posting on an indian cow grooming board won't get you a proper answer.

>>97925431
I don't want to know the correct answer. I want to know what (You) guys *believe* a correct answer looks like.
You making the subway sandwich ensures you lose any right to bitch about it. I'm not looking for a smart character, I'm looking for an end to bitching.

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>>97925401
I think Perturabo making it look like it was Abaddon's idea so he'd take the blame if/when it failed was smart

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>>97925401
Pic rel was pretty smort

>>97925401
I think the biggest obstacle when writing a smart character in Warhammer is that most writers have very limited knowledge of military history/history in general. This leads to supposed strategic geniuses falling for incredibly obvious traps, or very basic tactics being lauded as insane feats of genius. The primarchs in particular make so many stupid decisions it's hard to see them as intelligent at all, not even just in terms of strategy and tactics. Same thing for the many supposedly inspiring speeches we see throughout the series.
Most writers (and for that matter most readers) are not great commanders or inspiring leaders or even particularly clever so it follows that it's very difficult to write superhumans.

>>97925437
>I'm looking for an end to bitching.
Impossible, bitching is the main part of the hobby.

>>97925401
For what it's worth I'm a big fan of the Poirot books, where all the information available to the character is also available to the reader and it's the way Poirot puts facts together in ways the average reader wouldn't think of that makes him look intelligent.

to the anon that is proonting some terrain what is the sauce?

>>97925646
the big gates and fortress stuff?

>>97921768
AT43 is what I imagine many of the non compliant human armies were like during the great crusade

>>97925646
I'm >>97919553
I used three sources.
Big fortress is Gothic Sector: Fortress Campaign on minifactory (has a whole bunch of other great terrain too).
Modular terrain is called warlayer 5.0 (also includes the crane)
Kill team volkus terrain is from a set called hivestorm also on minifactory.

If you're only going to get one buy the Gothic Sector pack.

>>97923021
>"Lose" FotL
Don't you mean SWAP it for whatever Inductii trick they have? I believe they are balanced, they gain one thing for whatever other thing they lose. And then, a 10 pts discount on top of that

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All 30k players should own at least 2 armies. One traitor, one loyalist. To prevent gay unloreful games.

>>97925024
It's almost like there was a paragraph of text above this list that you cut out for no good reason.

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The thing is though that any titan's location is a legitimate target. For a quick kill you can target the body since that has the least armor, but the critical damage isn't actually that severe depending so it's just for making the enemy panic. The head has more armor but less structure, if you're hitting with high strength weapons that matters less, and its critical damage effects are more serious since you can prevent repair orders an limit the titan's ability to fight back. The legs have the most armor and as much structure as the body but the critical damage effects are the most debilitating since hampering movement just ensures the kill later. Letting a titan just blind fire constantly might not net you a kill quickly and might not be satisfying but keeping a titan out of the fight is still legitimate, you just have to watch out for it fighting back. It's really the weapon facing on the location dice that's the biggest enemy in Titanicus.

>>97925909
Agreed but i'm doing Loyalist EC or Ksons once i'm done with my Traitor DG.

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>>97925909
I'm stuck between deciding on Mechanicum or Auxilia as the next project for loyalists. And no ideas on how to paint up either, currently.

>>97926198
Mechanicum is more fun, in rules, variety of playstyles, and modeling potential

>>97925909
Nah, if I wind up playing against traitors as Sons of Horus I can just tell myself that they’ve displeased or disobeyed the Warmaster and are being culled for it. As it stands though, the only other HH players at my LGS play Fists and loyalist Auxilia.

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>>97925909
my eater filth do not need much of an excuse to go into the mud with other traitors tho and i'd even wear the loyalist cap for potential victory assignment without a blink

but there are more imperial-aligned forces in the wings for eventual making as a foil

>>97926209
Is it 'fun' in the way of being more out of the ordinary? I love the Thallax designs and the Combat Force box looks great, but they're also something that can be integrated into other armies.

>>97925909
>unloreful

Sanguinius vs Sanguinius is loreful, unless you're one of those Alpharius didn't kill himself fags

>>97925195
GW shittifies anything it touches

>>97925909
I own an AL army; that counts as loyalists, traitor and xenos army.

>>97925193
Spray varnish over it with several thin coats. Ideally with a thicker one like gloss varnish and a last one of the finish you want like matte or satin.

>TQ
They don't really carry out the same missions. RG are sneaky guerrilla warfare types woamush convoys and snipe enemy generals. While AL are C.I.A types.

>>97926268
SA have an option to bring some thallax and robots

>>97925909
You could just play Black Shields, Mecanicum or SA and just do a Custom scheme then they can be both

>>97925909
I own one army - one traitor, one loyalist.
I play only Alpha Legion.

>>97925206
And every one of those armies will be as bland, beige, and soulless as the other because the price of having unrestricted listbuilding with no downsides is all the upsides have to be neutered and sanded down.

And if that was your experience, the problem isn't the system, it's you for willingly participating in shitty groups. My local area only had tourneyshitting WAACoids at first, it was disgusting, but instead of shitting my diapie and bawling for Daddy GW to save me I asked around and found a couple of people who also wanted to play fun narrative shit and we started playing regular games at the local club. Within a few months we had over a dozen players, because most people aren't rabid ideologues they just want a fun time and it was patently obvious to anyone that us weirdos were having way more fun than the people playing the gurning smug WAACfags were.

Then GW created 3.0 for gormless, spineless, vapid, subnormal, LAZY fags like you and it killed my group by being boring and shite. Anyway have fun when 4th rolls around in a year or so and fucks up all your armies to sell you more stuff, because you absolutely ARE dependent on "GW's good graces" as all consoomers are.

>>97926198
roll a die

>>97925206
just a shame that the new system promotes the same lists over and over for maximum scoring with cardboard cutout units.

>>97927118
3.0 coom gobblers are the worst man

Personally I found most 1.0 and 2.0 armies to be dull
>Primarch or tooled up praetor
>Ten man legion unique terminators
>Spartan
>Couple of big tanks
>Three dreadnoughts
>A few tacticals
>Some legion unique units
>Warmonger and Pravian

>>97927118
>Using different units is bland
If you need special rules on top of special rules to even consider playing something 40k is that way.

>>97927297
the difference is that it wasn't written into the army building it was just WAAC fagging which you are never going to get rid of. It was also far more inkeeping with the historical aspect of the game and wasn't some pachinko slots game. Are we supposed to think Horus sat there thinking 'hmmm I think I'll send a dreadnought down as an apex detachment since that means I don't have to get a dreadnought talon and instead can send the justaerin as auxiliaries'

The bulk of the legions were just regular tactical squads, legion specific units were rare only a few hundread per a legion

Rolled 1 (1d3)

>>97927202
Probably won't be a while yet, but sure, let's give that a try.

>SA
>Mechanicum
>Both

>>97927297
Were RoWs too restrictive or were some slots too contested?

>>97927651
Both. Plenty of ROW that were basically unplayable because of all the restrictions. And there was a lot of units that nobody ever used regardless of how solid they were, like heavy bolter hss, because you needed other units from the same FOC slot to deal with shit like spartans.

>>97927651
It depended on the RoW.

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>>97926866
>CIA doesn't infiltrate and snipe
Okay

>>97927688
>instantly aroused by Curze
why am I like this?

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>>97927579
A few hundred is too little. A mere 1% of a Legion's total is already a thousand warriors. Indeed a successor chapter could be founded out of each of a legion's Specific units.

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>>97927839

>>97927688
Malcadors nightmare

>>97927641
The die has spoken.

>>97927641
Let's go! sexual assault!

>>97927865
This is what he wanted though, which clearly tells you that writer has never lived with a sister or raised a daughter if he actually thought that would reduce the conflict between primarchs

>>97927118
Why doesn’t your group just stay playing 2.0?

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>>97927871
That it did. How many of these would be good?

>>97927959
Can confirm. Grew up in a household with only my mother and two sisters. It was like living on a minefield in an active war zone.

>>97928038
two and a command squad get you to 1k nicely I think

>>97928067
Each box comes with a Command Section, unless you mean retooling them for something else?

>>97928113
Totally forgot it came with one

>>97926563
But alpharius didn't kill himself

>>97928038
3 of these, gets you to 4 15 man lasrifle units, 3 tanks, 6 sentinels, and some Command dudes. Then wait for a bit/get to painting and grab some rapiers when they come out >>97928041
so you can use the fire support reaction.

>>97928222
what and rogal dorn dig kill alpharius? get real

>>97928117
Unless I'm looking at this differently, two boxes is about ~800pts but I guess it's pretty close depending on upgrades.

>>97928223
I was about to make a remark about literally having sixty niggers with the lasrifle sections but yeah I suppose three Leman Russ tanks and six mini-Sentinels just evens it all out nice and tidy. Do you just get Legatine, Tactical, and Infantry Command Sections to make use of all three?

Buddy is putting his SoH champion in a unit of solaux and embarking them in a Dracosan, is this allowed? Idk one way or the other but he was bickering with a guy at the store about it

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I’m ngl anons I’ve been playing warhammer in some form for 20 years now and I STILL don’t know what sort of alien claw grip you’re meant to use to get boltguns to align perfectly with their arms

No other kit I seem to have an issue with it’s just tacticals. The nubs on the body are so tiny that they might as well not be there

>>97928271
Just glue the arms first nigga,the glue is malleable enough to shift positions when you're gluing in the gun after

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>>97918399
Actualy that is not an OSL, I sneezed when I was painting the model and I don't know how to remove paint from a model without striping the whole thing down. And I never strip paint.

Not worth taken though, you were not wrong that when I do try to do "OSL" it does end up looking bad. Just not in the case of the mace :D

>>97927688
The whoreus heresy

>>97927916
I was so good at playing that army the game store manager called the police and I'm serving 25 years. They fear the SA chad

>>97928267
No, only models of the same faction can embark upon a transport vehicle.
The SoH champion is free to join the SA unit though, they just get -1 on all their morale stats.

>>97928253
Dorns name was on the flight logs anon ....

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>>97928286

I wish joining a character to a unit from a different faction wouldn't prevent the unit from embarking. Not necessarily SA + Marines, but marines + marines from another legion shouldn't be forbidden if at least one model had the same faction as the transport.
Like no way marines can't extract a Techpriest on a Thunderhawk, it HAS to be on foot specifically.

>>97928399
No anon, I'm not going to allow you to put Vulkan in a unit of Huscarls in a Spartan

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Why can't we get Russes with sponsons? Serious reasons only, no excusing the fluff when these exist.

>>97928413
Would make them too close to 40k Leman Russ, and daddy GW does not want that.

>>97928413
To keep the poorfags out

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Hot take: with their current profile and point cost, combi-plasma should not have the Limited rule.

>>97928407
You can bring Alpharius with Templars in a Land Raider, what's your point?
You attach Vulkan to a Huscarl unit instead of Firedrakes for whatever reason. What matters if they ride on a green or yellow Spartan? Neither one gets a trait, right?

>>97928413
Just put the sponsons on them, fuck the rules.

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>>97928418
>>97928421
I can bring a Macharius though. Seems it only matters if it's a FW product. But I don't know if they ever sold a Russ chassis with sponsons.
I mean a Thunderer is a Russ chassis sold by FW, but they don't have sponso-... Can you add Sponsons to any Russ chassis, actually? Miniatureswise

>>97928271
This is what happen when you hire zoomer retards as designers and they don't even assemble their own shits. The Disinterators pack also had to go with specific arms from this kits. You can make it fits by cutting and filling, but when you had to commission 40-100 of these fuckers that ain't gonna happen.

>>97928425
What if they were AP2 and 24" Rapid Fire 1 instead of 24" normal 2 they effectively are

>>97928413
couldn't you just take them and say they are malcadors or something idk

Do Saturnine termies ever appear in the novels? There's like 54 HH novels and short stories. They've got to be in any.

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>>97928447
It's clearly done in an effort to make bits incompatible with pre-existing marine kits.
Ironically enough it's actually a lot easier to use those weapons with arms from older marines, once you cut the wrists from the hands attached to the weapon.

>>97928464
There's Salamanders wearing saturnine terminator armour in the dropsite massacre novel. Surprisingly fun book, pretty much every legion gets a moment to shine. The IH combat dropping a full fellblade tank squadron from thunderhawk transporters at full speed was cool as fuck.

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>>97926015
It's almost like I removed it because it's completely irrelevant to the question

>>97928475
>the book that released when the Saturnine boxset launched has cool moments where Saturnine™ armour and Fellblade™ tanks do cool things
>this isn't in any way a contrived marketing ploy
some people can just switch off their brain I guess

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>>97928475
Oh. Thanks I guess. Then where did people get the urge for Saturnines? I really thought they were going to look like these lol.
>>97928534
Sometimes people just want to read about McToys having McAdventures, anon. Or will I truly find good writing in this New York Times® Best Selling™ series?

>>97928271
Make sure the arms are meant to work together. Glue the right arm at the desired pose. Glue the bolter to said arm. Then fiddle the left arm between the torso and bolter.

>>97928564
Every book about or with Dark Angels is good, by sole virtue of having DA in it.

>>97928453
Make them fire at Maximal Fire and price them the same as combi-bolter, problem solved.

>>97927297
So a normal army?

>>97927651
Both. The vast majority of your good shit was in Elites/Heavy Support, which was why FoC swapping was such a big deal and why something like Pride of the Legion was good despite preventing you from taking basically any of your good shit other than Vets and Termies. A bit like why being able to take 2 Elites from an auxiliary detachment as DA/AL is a good thing this edition.

>>97928534
You could also not spend thousands of dollars on plastic toys that you pretend are doing cool things from out of cool moments in a book, but here we are.

>>97928534
I don't think GW had an 8 year marketing plan to hype up the Saturnine armour with barely any acknowledgement it even existed.
>>97928475
>>97928564
Was the armour even named in the story? I seem to recall it had some different name. Like how Gorgons are based on the Indomitus, but are considered their own armour pattern.

>>97928413
Because SA shit is supposed to be voidproof and manned sponsons that could get catched by something, get torn and expose insides is against that.
Don't mind SA variants being even more riveted than regular tanks, which totally screams voidproof. But that's just SA being not very well though-out and designed.

>>97928613
third edition and the box set was planned when 2.0 launched, but it doesn't take 8 years to write a novel unless your are GRR Martin anon.

>>97928682
SA Malcador (and its variants), Baneblade (and its variants), Carnodon, etc. all come with sponsons. So excluding them from Russ is retarded. Especially when they're suppose to be remote operated anyway (the gunner sits inside the hull manning remote controls), so there's no issue making the thing voidproof. Not to forget they removed sponsons from Militia Russes too.
>that's just SA being not very well though-out and designed.
You're telling me dudes designed for void combat (so boarding action and such) armed with long cumbersome laser rifles and lacking flying transports beyond a lightly armed civilian freighter are not very well thought-out? Say it ain't so!

>>97928734
>it doesn't take 8 years to write a novel
Shattered Legions anthology (containing >>97928564) came out in 2017 while Saturnine box set came out in 2025.

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>>97928747
was discussing pic related in >>97928475 not the shattered legions anthology

>>97928262
Use the 3rd command squad to bulk out your line and Legate squad.
Tactical command isn't needed at this level and the line Command squad is 100% needed to have more line.

>>97927651
It was both. From 1.0 to 2.0, the good RoWs stayed good or got better, while the mid ones got worse.

>>97927688
Sex with Kurze

>>97928739
>You're telling me dudes designed for void combat (so boarding action and such) armed with long cumbersome laser rifles and lacking flying transports beyond a lightly armed civilian freighter are not very well thought-out? Say it ain't so!
Don't twist the knife and remind me! They totally should be able to get everything Drop Elysians got: lascarbines with underslung grenade launchers, deepstriking sentinels, Venator cars and especial, Valkyries

>>97928485
It literally answers your question, dumb ESL faggot.

>>97925212
>(Because black book white scars are retarded a rare opposite moment compared to BL)
I view all of Boy Love as fanfic and the only legitimate lore is found in codices.

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Titanicus has been played!
>There are six warhounds in this picture
Kind of a bummer game today, one of those crappy moments where my opponent couldn't seem to roll anything but 1s and 2s while I had 5s and 6s flowing from my fingers. My opponent will go through shields well but when it comes to breaking the armor and making aimed shots it tends to go poorly since warhounds are usually punching up.

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>>97929248
Turn 1 Jim awakened and got stuck in the corner along with the knights who wouldn't pass an order roll until turn 4. We had a corners deployment and these three units here were stuck legging it across the table, T-rex would basically be useless all game.

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>>97929257
Got a spiffy turn 1 melee thanks to the canis maniple's deployment and my ruptura maniple's movement bonus. Stripes even did a devastating and critical hit instead of wiffing.

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>>97929262
Standard Legio Xestobiax tactics.

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>>97929268
Two things happened this game that were novel. First when he was getting perforated I was pushing Stripe's reactor hoping to get an awakened result, which I did, then I failed the command check like I wanted to, then I got a wrathful result which let me get a shooting attack off first before dying. The second thing is Jim actually got to activate Will of Iron which prevented it from being destroyed on turn 4, which was some bullshit but I took it.

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So uh...

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Work conntinues. Painting black is very tricky. I will have to go over them later and glaze with black in some places.

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Why did they change the IH symbol for tactical squads?

>>97929886
I really wish GW had the balls to use the proper Roman denominations more often rather than this 'senior/junior' and 'captain' shit, hell they could even make it so that legion army list building is like an extract of the Principia Bellicosa.

>>97929886
>>97929893
Both of those were in use.

>>97929893
Variants are a thing, moreso when you can brag about how long you've been fighting by rocking the old symbol.

>>97929910
I'd love that if they actually gave back the RoWs to further represent specific companies like recon, armour, drop assault vanguards, etc...

>>97929091
It literally doesn't you retarded cunt

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it's been a while since i last painted my bloody boys

>>97930293
Is that...mVII?!
REEEEEEEEEE

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>>97930384
this is artificier mk4

>>97930384
No, it’s a Sarum-pattern helm

>>97930384
Shut up, the BA fought on Terra during the siege so they did i8n fact have Mk 7 during the end of the HH.

Would the lightning claws and T hammers/storm shields from the now OOP vanguard veterans box work for heresy era dudes?

Starting out mechanicum as a secondary army. How's this list? Is it too powerful? Unplayable dogshit? Only you can help anon.

High Command:
Archmagos on abeyant, macrotek, tricked out to the gills. 315 pts

Command:
3x cybernetica magos with mauls, 465 pts

Logistical benefit:
1*3 domitar to run around with the archmagos 300 pts

Aux Det: Tac support
1*6 melta thallax 250 pts
1*6 plasma thallax 190 pts

Aux set: 2*Heavy support
Thanatar calix 245 pts
Thanatar cavas 225 pts

Aux det: shock assault
1*6 darkfire Castellan 450 pts

Apex Det: iron phalanx
Karacnos 235 pts
Lightning Krios 150 pts
Krios venators 175 pts

The idea would be to have the three magos tail the two thanatar and the Castellax to score while the everything else tries to shoot everything off the board.

>>97930481
Yes. Maybe want to shave off some bling depending on the legion you use them for, but that's about it.

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Lorgar would have been one of, if not the, strongest primarchs, given that the Great Crusade went according to plan. This also would require him to fully embrace the Imperial Truth and the Emperor's designated role for him.

>The only Terran Imperial figure who would regularly appear to common folk
>Gives them the 'holy' word and is the only source of information about the Imperium to them
>Part of their myths and legends as the most 'human' of the gods, especially on world the Word Bearers brought into compliance
>Such a populist and orator he would hold the best ratio for non-violent compliance actions
>Highest efficiency for cost of bringing in and maintaining planets
>Basically could have an Ultramar, but scattered everywhere and just as loyal
>His father's go-to source for advice on the alteration of the Imperial Truth to further his plans against Chaos.
>No debt or built-in rivalries with other primarchs or Imperial institutions/Mars
>Most sons don't give a fuck about him, will happily win him glory on battlefields he need never see
>Those that do are his priestly class, spreading the good word of Lorgar
>Basically would be the Inquisition, allowed to do drastic things based on his clout as the Imperial Truth guy backed by his father

Any overt action against him is an attack on a prophet.

Any subversion is impossible, as he doesn't need almost anything. Specialty weapons or resources? Nope, nothing heretical, expensive, or unique to lose, just bolters and ceramite. A solid domain like Ultramar? It is no hassle at all to lose control of the governance of one world or twenty, it doesn't change the books on the shelves or characters in the plays. Glorious campaigns, secret knowledge, or adventure? Don't bother, it is an honor he'd rather not recieve. Sons, military might? Thank the Emperor they're gone. Status, personal honor or reputation? Ha, now the humans love him more, he also fucks up. Father's favor? Don't need what you've never had.
Who knows though?

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>>97930384
It's clearly HH era BA.

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>>97930497
close 'ya mouth, son

>>97930497
I fucking hate Lorgar by the way, he's always written poorly. I believe the root cause of this is how terrible of a character he is conceptually. Even Angron can be whipped into something palatable, but Lorgar is a spice with the aroma of feces.

>>97930514
I thought blood angels were genetically encoded to be beautiful blonde aryans why does he look like my FLGS owner

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>>97930481
Most of the decoration is not kosher, but the rest is fine. Same with the Indomitus terminator bits.

>>97930514
>norwooded BA
No wonder the black rage set in after the death of their looksmaxing dad

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>>97930683
>Most of the decoration is not kosher
What's wrong with them? It's mostly the Imperialis, skulls with laurels, and skulls with iron halos. All symbols used during the Heresy. At most one can argue the Imperialis isn't that hot for traitors (as during the Heresy it became the symbol of loyalists while traitors adopted the Eye of the Serpent). If you're worried that the shields in general are too decorative, FW themselves made pic related for HH. Among others.

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In all seriousness, what is the difference between Mk VII helmets and Sarum pattern helmets? I have some Mk VII heads and some old heads from the OOP Chaos Marine kit I was going to use on my Sons of Horus like picrel

>>97930486
I think some of your upgrades here are too much anon, if you shave off the upgrades on the krioses (they're all bait) and whatever the hell you have on those darkfires to make them 60 points extra, and drop the krios venator you could afford a 3rd squad of thallax with photon thrusters and put melta bombs on the plasma or melta squad, which will not only be a good for modeling since 3 boxes let's you build 3 6 man mono special squads it's also probably more effective anti tank and anti elite firepower than the venator would be. I'd also make two of those magi something other than cybernetica, the only scoring Automata in this list are the darkfire castellax, everything else is either a support unit or vanguard. Instead, you could make one reductor to sit with the photon thruster thallax since they're OK durdling around on foot in the back or midfield and the other another macrotek to buff and repair your tanks

>>97930735
If it aren't my models, it are Mk VII helmets and not allowed.

If it are my models, it are Sarum helments and entirely halal.

>>97930753
I see. I guess I’ll use them then.

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>>97930735
I think the ones shown in the art are suppose to have MkV style cable housing and some seems to have a more reinforced frame around the grill.

Personally, I'd just pick one helmet design and stick with it. Ones I used had the arch (instead of triangular) grill design with a single cable on the chin. Unfortunately the only source for it was the 40k Assault Squad kit (1 per kit), so it took a while to source any number of them. Other kits had ones with extra optics, which were fine for specialists and such.

>>97930777
Thanks, anon. I have a pile of heads from an old tactical kit, so I’ll use whichever ones have the closest aesthetic to one another just for a little cohesiveness.

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>>97930384
yeah it's mkVII
i love the blood angel death company kit and refuse to let any bit go to waste

>>97920643
love the photo, OP

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>>97930718
actually beautiful

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>>97930497
yeah i think about this often. Still. He was (is) the best Primarch and loves his sons!

>>97930735
i would hazard to say there's little if any difference with any distinction being one of simple iteration
aquilla plate features a permutation of what was perhaps at least formerly called the sarum pattern helmet
and aquilla plate is itself a synthesis of mk.iv, mk.v, and mk.vi plate as best i can tell, very much still a mark of armor intended to work around intense material duress in its fabrication, much befitting the later days of the heresy and siege and ensuing scouring in the impoverishment the imperium was thrown into

>>97930718
>AY
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>>97930752
I had totally missed the support squad rule on the thanatars, thanks for pointing that out.
I added power blades to the Castellax, is that not a good move? I kind of expected them to be my front objective blob so I wanted them to do well in melee.
My goal was to try and minimize infantry and go for something like a monster mash list focusing on a few big tough threats, how would you recommend I do so?

>>97931550
Ah, powerblades, it's not a bad upgrade at all but personally not something I prioritize at all, most people only make the mistake of charging my castellax, eating 4 maulers and 4 bolter shots at full BS followed by surprisingly lethal S8 AP4 d2 attacks while they take forever to kill in return for 50 point models not worth the trade. Does make sense some of your choices in that case, but the core of my cybernetica list is
>2x6 bolter pig castellax
>1x6 darkfire castellax
>2x cybernetica magi, 1x cybernetica archmagos
And then I sprinkle in domitars, thanatars, vultarax, tech priests, and scyllax as I so please. Do you have a 3d printer, or access to a buddy that has one? The plastic castellax kits are so tiresome I printed mine, so having 18 castellax may not be a viable option in your case. You can supplement them with vorax, I don't because I don't like the models but they're good for hunting down and locking down midfield or backline support or scoring units, I use domitars in a similar role but obviously they're more elite.

>>97931605
I forgot about vorax, they're extremely cool. I think I'll drop the venator for a squad then, thanks for the advice archmagos anon.

>>97930805
the old sleek tight backpack design mogg the new fat bloaty new ones

>>97929892
Lovely! How big is your RG army currently?

>>97928467
Almost as if the one hand on weapon design was superior and GW shittified it huh, also nice dudes btw!