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Lame TQ

Here is a new one. Which is tour favorite Under Used Commander?

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

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>>97921357
My bad. Copied from the wrong thread.

>>97921307
>TQ: What do you think of the Grandeur mechanic?
I've wanted to build a deck around it for years but don't wanna jump through the hoops where you clone + bounce + whatever. A commander with Grandeur and the "a deck can have any number of cards named" line would be fucking incredible

@97921307
>le advertising my epic furry porn link xDDDD
Defaced thread, won't be using.

why is Dina, Essence Brewer so cute? i thought only UB slop can have cute girl commanders...

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>>97921582
she cute :)

>>97921606
wrong one idiot, she got a massive glow-up

>>97921455
uh oh melty

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I'm trans by the way

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still trans and a furry, that's why I keep posting this squirrel

>>97921318
Even worse TQ
Won't be answering.

Forty (40) starting life is subjectively superior to thirty (30)

If you own the proxy you get to use it.
Why is this a controversial statement?

>>97921849
If you use a proxy I get to rip it into pieces.
Why is this a controversial statement?

>anti-proxy-retard showing that he's a violent mongoloid who never plays edh in real life
lmao

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Unban Mana Crypt

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>>97921318

Ban sol ring.

>>97921411
>Errata Grandeur so all cards with it can have multiple copies in commander decks if it's your commander
>Make a new Commander Masters set with a guaranteed Grandeur card each pack
>???
>1 morbillion dolar

We should ban all fast mana rocks that aren't single use.

>>97921932
let's not

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I think grandeur is dumb as a fuck and unusable in Cdr. without some cloning/regrowth/reanimation/bouncing fuckery and was a horrible way to try giving black real land ramp instead of just giving them a regular card to do it

and its even dumber as executed in this new "totally not Harry Potter for queers" set

>>97921932
partners and planeswalkers already destroy commander. this would even more so, even though I would like to use Korlash

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>>97922072
>Bitching about Korlash in the big 26

>>97922088
it uses the grandeur mechanic in the thread question you donkey brained negro

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Played a commander game with friends for the first time in 7 years and had lots of fun. I got my ass whooped but got to make lots of zombies. Hoping I can play some more soon

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>>97922101
I won't be hearing it from someone who thinks black should have gotten ranger's path in planar chaos

>>97922148
Does Gisa take regular baths?

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>>97921606
She was always cute. Were you not aware?

>>97921883
>help gavin they're tearing up my worthless proxies that i can just print again!!
Kek

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>>97922184
black got that and blue had harrow but they're both unplayable

black and blue should definitely have something like Three visits. It would actually make the most sense for red though

>>97922222
I'll rip your cards to pieces then
>Help Gavin they're tearing up my cardboard that I can't buy again
poorfag, kek

>>97922271
>fuck he got me
>i know i'll double down by committing a felony
Lol

>>97922290
>Destroying proxies is not a felony
Take your meds, schizo

>>97922290
>>97922222
>>97921881
>Larper who never entered a LGS in his life thinks that the owner of the store wouldn't give you a lifetime ban for such mentally ill behavior
Keep going with your meltdown, schizo

>>97922298
>he's this ignorant about monetary value being a factor on how judges handle cases
Tearing up your scratch paper is a civil dispute at best, nigger

>>97922305
>larper thinks tearing up real cards wont land him in jail for a felony
Dumbass proxiers itt right now haha

>>97922072
Grandeur is a solution to the overprinting of legends fucking up draft (the only other format sets are designed for)

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>>97921881

>>97921881
I'm not handling it over to you and statistically it's unlikely you could outmuscle me

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>>97922290
>>97922298
>>97922324
>felony
Interestingly, there's no actual US federal statutes on vandalism or criminal mischief for this context (federal law is generally only concerned with federal property, protected classes, interstate commerce, and terrorism). Therefore this means that felony escalation would need to occur at a state level. (No, WotC being run by jews does not qualify this as an antisemetic hate crime)
States vary on the dollar value associated with an escalation from a misdemeanor to a felony. California for example allows the prosecutor to increase the misdemeanor to a felony at their discretion when the dollar value is above $400 (in practice, this will be very unlikely especially on a first offense unless you did something absurd like pulled out a gun for this which would have its own myriad of felonies involved). Now in the context we're just tearing up the first card we see, there's only about 40 Magic cards worth enough to meet this threshold, and of those, only 33 are currently legal.
>But California's not a real state! Give me numbers from a REAL one not controlled by liberals!
Okay in Texas (if you're about to argue some bullshit on CA migrants I will ask you to shut the fuck up this law hasn't been revised in years), vandalism can escalate to a non-discretionary felony, but this value starts far higher, beginning at $2500. At this threshold there's only three legal cards valued high enough to meet the felony threshold (Timetwister, Mishra's Workshop, and Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale). In fact, a large number of full decks would not meet the threshold to be considered a felony, or even a Class A misdemeanor.

This means that for destroying someone's cards to be a felony, they would have to be expensive enough you're questioning why that person is going to the LGS in the first place with the real copies, given that the real threat is theft (or conversion at a civil level).

>>97922496
I like how you think anyone bringing a timmy $400 bracket 2 deck to the lgs is beyond your comprehension

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>>97922512
Assuming you even get through their whole deck before someone stops you, it's extremely unlikely it will be prosecuted as a felony when the escalation is discretionary. I already covered this by stating there's basically no context a prosecutor does this on a first offense unless you committed another major felony in the process.

>>97922496
Good effortpost, his trolling absolutely did not need to be addressed but you did it anyway, we need more autists like you in this thread and less people shitting and pissing over proxies (for or against).

>>97922521
>Assuming you even get through their whole deck before someone stops you,
>yeah it's extremely unlikely
>but if your thought experiment that i'm too autistic to realize did happen, then you'd be right
I accept your resignation

>>97922539
>we need more autists
We actually need less mentally disabled people around here, ideally zero

>>97922570
But then how would we hold a thread about MTG? Stop being ridiculous.

>>97922574
Alas, therein lies the rub...

>>97922562
It's extremely unlikely anyone would let you go through their entire deck, unsleeve each card (twice if it's really worth that much), and rip them up

>>97922562
The amount of "if"s that need to occur for this to even be prosecuted as a felony, let alone convicted, render this situation functionally impossible. The only way this would happen is if you pulled out a gun and started shooting, at which point felony vandalism is going to be your last concern at trial and you should be thinking more about not looking like Tyrone's next prison girlfriend.

>>97922590
Grok, what's a thought experiment

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>try to make new deck
>start to realize it looks way too similar to a deck I already use mechanically and/or thematic

>>97922618
Aren't you excited to do the thing and draw the card?

>>97922649
Nope, now I want do thing and target gain hexproof

>>97922618
>realize that many decks boil down to the same archetypes, land fall/lands matter, storm/spell slinger, lifegain, pillowfort
>don't see a point to making a new deck unless it's a new archetype
>losing interest

>>97922849
It's like with any knowledge based game, the honeymoon period is seeing all the options and getting to try them all out, with experience you start to realize how similar a lot of the options are and whittle them down to your favorites. It's not so bad, sometimes you just need a break to let new things accumulate.

>>97922849
>>97922871
Believe it or not UB is meant to address this because if you're going to build the same archetype over and over you might as well do it with (insert IP other than mtg that you really love)

>>97922905
If UB wasn't a functional reserve list I'd like it more, but the fact that OOPS I missed the Warhammer decks so they're 200+$ now is retarded and it will never not be retarded.

>>97922907
Unironically that's because the UB IP holds more value than the actual card text. The chance of, for example, Stormchaser's Talent getting reprinted is extremely low. WotC's reprint policy has always been beyond atrocious and it's honestly a miracle Swords to Plowshares didn't end up in the same realm as Demonic Tutor pricing.

>>97922849
Favorite commander for each archetype? For me:
>Spellslinger: Noyan Dar
>Landfall: Karametra
>Self-mill: Grist
>Lifegain: Amalia
>Aristocrats: Athreos
>Blink: Ketramose
>Artifacts: Teshar
>Enchantress: Estrid
>Counters: Kraj
>Tribal: Varina
>Aggro: Gix
>Control: Kroxa

>>97922925
Extremely low isn't the same as nonexistent though, and they have so far never reprinted UB as far as I am aware even though they SAY they can at any time. Stormchaser's Talent is 5$, even the BAD Warhammer cards fetch high prices. Uncommons like the Nazgul are 10+$ and ironically they may get a reprint in The Hobbit. It has nothing to do with "IP value" and everything to do with the fact that people buying UB know they'll never be undercut by more prints. It's why random mutant Fallout cards spiked in price during TMNT and why TMNT will unironically be an investment despite how shitty/poorly received the set is because it's never getting reprints. UB sucks for the customer, even gachas will sometimes rerun collabs.

>>97922939
>even gachas will sometimes rerun collabs.
UB Persona 5 when?

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>>97921582
She is cute, but not as cute as Thalia, who I wish I could say was my beautiful freckled wife. She is so elegant and brave and so beautiful and pure. It still hurts knowing I'll never have her. I finally got a decent looking Asian girlfriend who lets me fuck her and calls me daddy, she loves my white dick, but I still think about Thalia. There's no way I could ever be good enough for her, no matter how fit I get. I wish I could be the one to marry her. I admit I've even had sexual fantasies about her, even though I've tried not to, imagining myself touching her alabaster flesh. I just want to hold her close. Thalia makes me actually want to live forever. I do not want death or decay to exist in the same world she does. Really I'm not even good enough even to die for her in battle, let alone be her husband, but it doesn't make the longing go away.

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>>97922939
It's not impossible that some UB cards can be reprinted - picrel is an Avatar card reprinted in Mystical Archive. but I agree that you're correct for the most part outside of a (unlikely) massive drop of Universes Within or Omenpaths-like reskins of the cards that are too tied to UB source material to reflavor with their original names and text.

>>97922939
>and they have so far never reprinted UB
they reprinted Fallout cards in a Fallout Secret Lair.

>>97922939
Believe or not having card prices go beyond the discretionary spending limit of the average single nerd is not to wotc's benefit (otherwise they would love the RL, the logical conclusion) proving that yes, wotc will reach out to FF *at some point* and it's up to squenix if they want it again or not
>you just dont want to spend $20 for cardboard but are fine with spending that for something else, simple as

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would you mind this shell in bracket 2 as a control deck?

>>97923158
I mind because black is mean and wont let me do the thing aaaaaiiiiiiiieeeeee

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Posting some custom cards. Seeking feedback, expecting shitposting. Have 8 total. Will autistically argue with all opinions I disagree with for about 3 hours.

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>>97923197
Jeskai equipment commander (strangely an oddity given the infinite boros ones)

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>>97923197
1/2 partner with commanders for super niche, undersupported tribe (dragons).

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>>97923215
The other partner

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>>97923197
Monke coinflip commander

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>>97923197
Don't Google "Leyline of Anticipation"

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>>97923197
Last one. The obligatory 5c slop commander.

>>97923036
It actually is to their benefit, because it guarantees sales based on FOMO their products would not otherwise have.
>20$
20$ starts to add up when you're making hundred card decks, individually no, it's not an issue, but there are very few games that charge 400+$ for a single new playstyle.

>>97923027
>>97923034
Was not aware, that's good at least that there's a possibility at least, however slim. Unironically I wish they had continued Universes Within and just made it part of bonus sheets instead of random Secret Lair drops.

>>97922947
They could just do a Persona set and include 1-5 and the popular personas and this set would sell so much it'd be unreal.

>>97922072
There's a 3 card combo that allows you to discard the card to itself for Grandeur, you just have to be in Azorius colors

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https://moxfield.com/decks/_wZZnA5200e1YfEDuOrmDA

I'm back with the first draft of my bracket 2 war crimes simulator. R&, h&, and give suggestions on improvements if you have the time. I recently took out all the reanimation tricks (on the sideboard) in favor of a more robust draw and ramp suite, as well as a few protection pieces I can use instead of the commander's self-sacrifice.

>>97923240
>It actually is to their benefit, because it guarantees sales based on FOMO their products would not otherwise have.
Again that would imply that wotc actually likes the RL and will one day implement it again in the future, but good luck convincing anyone of that

>>97923264
I think expressively having a list would put people off their game in general, doing it quietly is a different story. People (who aren't investors) already hate the RL, having it as a mandated rule would make people unironically dump this game or form yet another community format where RL cards are banned.

>>97923197
2WUB not 1

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>>97922849
That's why I have been making meme decks for my pod.

>>97923279
They're not doing it "quietly", it just goes without saying that it takes two to collab so if the first venture was profitable then wotc would want to do it again at some point, because everyone knows UW characters suck dick
>no i dont want uncertainty i want wotc to legally guarantee me they'll get a new collab with the UB i like in exactly X years!
Sorry bud the world doesnt work that way

>>97923300
Nice strawman, I'd just like a precedent set at all since according to WotC themselves, they have the legal right to reprint UB any time they want, it's part of the contract they make with the initial collab. They shouldn't need the other party's consent (they also are allowed to make UW versions of any card they want according to them, as long as they change the name).

>>97922148
Happy for you anon. No homo

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>>97923286
I could see it given existing precedent.

>>97923315
I'm talking about new collabs (like a new FF with advent children Cloud for example) but if you just want reprints then dont blame UB where's your outrage over Jumpstart reprints

>>97923358
bro's beef stretches all the way back to Unlimited

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>>97923358
You should have beef with Jumpstart reprints too

Especially since when they DO get a reprint, they're low quality slop

>>97923525
Low quality slop for people on a budget, seems fair to me

>>97923525
What's going on in this image, is he being cremated on a funeral pyre?

>>97923549
Yeah

>>97923549
Splinter's first death

>>97923561
>first death
huh?

>>97923632
Comic book characters die and get revived all the time

>>97923261
Resolute Reinforcements may be better than Fortress Kin-Guard
Hunter's Insight doesn't seem good for a go wide strategy
Throne of Eldraine kinda doesn't fit in two color but I'm guessing you're running it for flavor
I am not a fan of running a million mdfcs instead of lands but you do you. Same story with off color fetches when you have no land synergies.
Flare of Cultivation could just be Cultivate? You have barely any nontoken green creature you'd want to sacrifice so you're paying GG in the cost for no reason.
I am wary of having too many token doublers in one deck

Overall I feel like you kinda lost sight of your original intention in favor of a bunch of expensive staples.

>>97923791
Thanks for the feedback anon. You make good points and I will try to make another pass at this focusing more on the deck's cohesion with the commander's core abilities.

>>97921411
The jank is fun though, here's mine, inspired by a friend who built a Korlash deck which was surprisingly powerful: https://moxfield.com/decks/7HrV75eB3U-zD32LIhWg7g

>>97924084
Should be the mouse with valiant, whatever its name is and not that goblin

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>>97921932
We don't need to errata Grandeur, just make a card that gives all cards not in play the same name as a name you choose. Precedent is there with colors with Painter's Servant. That way all cards in your hand share the name with your Grandeur commander

>>97922849
I am also getting disillusioned. Many "archetypes" are essentially the same.

>landfall, aka play as many land as possible
>lands matter, aka play as many lands as possible and then a spell
>spellslinger, aka play as many instants/sorceries as possible
>storm, aka play as many things as possible
>artifacts, aka play as many artifacts as possible
>enchantress, play as many enchantments as possible
>tribal, play as many creatures of the type as possible
>legendaries, play as many legendaries as possible

These can all be lumped into one category of "card type spam".

You can do the same for "card effect" spam, "big spell cheats" (aka infinite turns), and most combo decks. You can experience everything the game has to offer with 4 to 5 decks, really.

>>97924234
guy who can only think of things in terms of tribal:
>getting a big "tribal" vibe from this deck

>>97924234
That's why you have to play shittier commanders. I have a Sabin, Master Monk deck. I blitz him every turn. The deck is a hodgepodge of discard effects, cards to discard, on enter/exit, and some equipment. Is it voltron? I dont protect my commander at all, nigger dies every turn. It's a weird little thing. Find more weird crappy commanders rather than "no guys this is my totally unique narset chaos deck" or "tatyova but with 2 different blue cards.dek".

>>97924234
I'll do you one better, every deck is just
>play card

>>97924272
It's voltron even without protection just like a combo deck is still combo even without counterspells

>>97924234
That sure is a long list to have excluded:
>voltron, aka play a few things attached to your commander or a good creature and then face
>mill, aka the race to 100 cards
>group hug, aka give everyone more shit than they can deal with and use it to kill them
>theft, aka take away everyone's stuff and use it to kill them
>every win the game trigger that has ever been

And that still doesn't cover decks that I don't even have to look up. My mutate deck is a little legendaries matter, but it's mostly building stacks and getting out dry erase markers to deal with making more and more stacks of wacky creatures

You didn't mention token decks, or counter decks, or any number of decks that are a combination of all of the above.

Are you sure you're not just bad at making decks?

>>97924288
>Are you sure you're not just bad at making decks?
Worse, he cant pull up edhrec and copy a list from the themes page

>>97924285
also, the popular
>draw card

>>97924143
That shit has 7 fucking lines of text

Is there a small package to turn a world tree activation into a win? Locust God, Tiamat, Erebos Bleak Hearted, Prossh, Purphoros God of the Forge, and Ilharg do it but if anybody other than Prossh is in your hand it gets a lot more complicated.

>>97924272
it's still voltron anon.

>>97924288
I didn't say it was an exhaustive list, but many of those fall into the same thing.

>Mill
Card effect spam, your chosen card effect is "mill"

>alt win triggers
>usually the same; felidar sovereign, test of endurance, aetherflux reservoir, et al, are all lifegain card effect spam
>thoracle, lab maniac, etc., draw OR mill spam, what a twist
>twenty toed frog, approach of the second sun, triskaidekaphile, all draw spam
>etc.

>voltron
a unique one, go big
>inverse-voltron
go wide

It has the creativity of painting your honda accord blue instead of red. You just spam one keyword instead of another.

My point is that if you have 30 decks, many of these feel mechanically exactly the same. You're just choosing one effect over the other because it's a prettier coat of paint.

I don't recognize group hug as valid because it usually sucks ass and is some faggot whining the whole time. I, and the people I play with, always make a point to kill the group hug player first.

>my mutate deck
card effect spam

>Are you sure you're not just bad at making decks?
No, but I can tell you are new to the game and are likely bad at it.

>>97924316
No faggot, I'm not going to go through every edhrec category and explain why landfall and land matters feel functionally identical, or why "rat.dek" and "treefolk.dek" and "elf.dek" feel functionally identical. I came up with shit off the top of my head as an example of how braindead and samey the game is right now. Citing edhrec is the best example of my point of everything coalescing into the same shit.

This guy must build some bomber ass decks

>>97924472
I don't think you're wrong, but also it seems like you're burnt out.

That's why I limit myself to 4 decks. Keeps me on the other side of the curtain, so I forget how samey everything is. Until I play another dinosaur deck, so fucking tired of dinosaura.

>Person says he built a new deck
>All it does is play cards
WTF?

>>97924378
That stupid Kobold is not that good. It's a horrible comparison

>>97924501
I think that he thinks that his posts are some incredible revelation. They're clearly not.

I'M SO CHOPPED AT DECK BUILDING
I WATCH NICHE YOUTUBERS FOR HOURS AND TAKE NOTES AND FOLLOW THE TEMPLATES
I OTAG SEARCH FOR SYNERGIES AND OVERLAPPING PLAN CATEGORIES
NONE OF IT WORKS THE DECKS ARE NEVER CONSISTENT NOT EVER
I CAN'T MAKE EVERYTHING FIT THAT I NEED

>>97924623
Tell that to the retarded company that made the line of text "If you control your Commander"

>>97924472
I'll be honest I don't think many people built Falco Spara with the FF Summons in mind

>>97924633
The only incredible thing here is this strawman. And how incredibly gay and retarded you are, that most of all.

>>97924234
Sure, but my coat of paint is very pretty. AND IT WOULD BE SO MUCH FUCKING PRETTIER IF I HAD A MONK LORD.

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>>97924784
Both are great with monks. Why do you need the lord specifically?

>>97924714
Still not that thing that eats trash. So you still didn't get what the original comic was about

>>97924472
Being reductive and cynical doesn't demonstrate knowledge and experience, it demonstrates clinical depression. You want me to coddle you and admit how smart you are for making sad lists?

No. Not even a "No, Fuck You". You haven't earned the "Fuck You."

Clearly I can't be as new to the game as you are because I've learned to have fun with it; which is apparently a higher bar than I originally presumed.

>>97924472
Landfall and "Lands Matter" decks only feel the same because you have a peabrain.

>>97924796
God I wish the archimandrite was 4cmc

>views for most command zone videos are extremely low recently
lmao
Nobody gives a shit about strixhaven

>>97924803
Eating trash is the quickest way to make yourself a 0/1 though

>>97924796
Archimandrite is close. But A) there is no reason to run monks over advisors or artificers with her (?), and B) she isn't a monk. Also lifegain is now relegated to clerics so I'm not sure why that is the defining action for monks.

Elsha is a cool one-of, but certainly isn't a monk lord. That deck just turns into voltron, not a celebration of various monks.

>>97924856
>not a celebration of various monks
I'll accept this, but absolutely not this:
>That deck just turns into voltron
Elsha is not a voltron commander, she's go-wide. Creates a shitload of prowess monks to overwhelm the board, especially with token doublers and stuff that gives your creatures trample

>>97923197
replacement effects need to be formatted "if X, Y instead," 'whenever' is a triggered ability. I'm iffy on the exact wording, but I might say "If a spell or ability you control would ['use' or maybe 'count'] the number of cards in your library, you may have it [use/count] the number of cards in your library plus the number of exiled cards with knowledge counters on them."
I'd also say in esper you don't get to play the lands, but they've been doing that in monoblack recently, so it's fine.
does nothing by himself/10

>>97923204
the wording is a bit tortured, but I think you want "you may investigate a number of times equal to the difference" instead of using X.
this feels a bit like that guy who makes WRU "I hate my opponents doing things" cards in here sometimes.
should cost more. 'I wanna play hatebears AND rhystic'/10

>>97923209
aura thieving is blue, but if you already controlled it than white can do it by itself. the -1/-1 counters is novel enough at least.
immediate infinite with Hearth and Home and a haste enabler, your punishment is more elsha being your best real card option.

>>97923215
>>97923218
sure is BUG in here. I think you posted these before. the B/G one should cost one more. at least.
trample AND pro-creatures/10

>>97923224
I think this should be "The next time a player would flip one or more coins or roll one or more dice this turn, you choose the result of those flips or rolls instead."
this is the first one where I've recognized the non-magic art, and he has the same first name as the card. are these names from anything specific?

>>97923228
this is too big brain for me, what do you do, besides "lmao" on other people's storm turns?
too expensive? question mark?

>>97923229
one of these abilities costs more than 1 mana. this is a pretty bad cost to keep attacking with any regularity, in which case he's moderately balanced slop I suppose.
does tourist mean he's the most hated creature type besides performer?

>>97924084
this doesn't make any sense when rograkh is only good in cedh while emrakrul is banned, just use another titan there instead

>>97924913
I think the irony is that a 0/1 is top tier in the most powerful bracket and a timmy monster is banned

>>97924867
I mean yea, on the final turn I guess she's go wide, but by that point you've been pumping/equipping her to maximize her damage to players. It also doesn't make sense (outside of monastery mentor) to run other other monks in the 99. She is a fun card, and she's in my 99 without a doubt, but I don't think she's a monk lord.

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I'm trying to get my Ashling the Pilgrim deck to B3 but I'm not a good deckbuilder, so any advice or suggestions would be appreciated. I really want to get her to work because it's a lot of fun to build her up and then blow everything away. Preferably no expensive ($30+) card recommendations, unless absolutely necessary

https://archidekt.com/decks/21915694/ashling_the_bomb

>>97924736
Most people didn't build the summons period. There's not nearly enough saga creatures currently to fill up a deck and the handful we got vary wildly in power. And there's zero guarantee they'll make any new ones again or it'll be typical wotc faggotry where we get 1-5 new ones over the course of years.

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>>97924784
I still seethe that she's not Jeskai with Prowess instead of melee.

>>97924796
Tarkir djinn look weird.

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>>97924880
>Replacement effect
Part of the challenge is that it would interact poorly with any (hypothetical) static ability that checks cards in library, but as you can probably guess from the artwork it's meant to make Battle of Wits a possible wincon. The card technically doesn't even work as-written since Battle of Wits won't trigger at all unless you organically have 200+ cards in library, thus his replacement ability can't even apply in the first place. Very apt to say he does nothing on his own.
>Wording is a bit tortured
I do agree mostly because the goal was to make it not trigger off wheels (well, unless someone went positive off them), which is a routine issue with any sort of draw punisher, to the point we're now seeing all wheels be optional.
>Should cost more
I guess my main counterargument is that the payoffs kinda suck, aside from treasures (which has the most niche trigger). However I would agree that this is becoming less true over time as WotC prints more absurd support for these tokens. The design goal was a commander that actually wants to run Rites of Flourishing instead of just fitting it into a vague "tee hee I'm group hug" theme.
>Goes infinite with Hearth and Home
But mom I don't wanna write "activate only as a sorcery" on this! I guess my cope would be "3-drop that dies to Shock on activation" but given how Hammer Time was viable for years it is something on my mind more than the final card design may reflect.
>Did you post these before?
Maybe, but it has been a while and most of the cards saw considerable revision since last time. I know it was at a minimum several months.
>Trample and pro-creatures
Hexproof from creatures! Big difference!
>What do you do aside from "lmao" on someone else's turn
The floor is copying any spell you cast which is already decent. Pseudo-RuleofLaw
>does tourist mean he's the most hated creature type besides performer?
I don't think anything will top "Gamer" but I guess that one has the novelty of being funny.

>>97924234
I like stax. Rob everyone of the resources they use to win, have something that wins without those resources.

>>97924961
>equipping her
...do you not know how Prowess works??? You run cantrips/do spellslinger bullshit to pump her and her monks up. Why the fuck are you wasting your time with equipment?

>>97925009
I'm not feeling strata scythe because it doesn't give you counters to explode with.

Consider Auntie Blyte, Bad Influence. She'll let you double dip from hitting yourself; assuming you're taking the damage. I see some mitigation about, but sometimes you won't have it out.

I see some equipment love in here, some stuff that's more synergistic with Ash would be good. Consider Conformer Shuriken if you're planning to swing in with her.

If you want to lean more treasures to have more chances to get her to go off in a round, Crime Novelist is an option. Most of your issues is getting the counters on Ash instead of on other creatures.

Consider Arcbound Tracker, Iron Apprentice and similar effects to reload from other +1/+1 sources. I don't see Power Conduit, but its a bit slow, still another +1/+1 counter a turn is something.

I like Scavenged Brawler a lot and you shouldn't be hurting for mana to use it either on the field of from your graveyard and its another source of lifelink.

Consider Sword of Hours, I don't see a lot of double counter sources in Red, but it could really send big hits if you get lucky.

The Ooze is ghetto Ozolith. Take that as you will.

>>97922290
Technically you touching my cards and ripping them is grounds for the same amount of defense as if you personally attacked me with a knife. Defense of property can be defense of self.

>>97924084
Never seen Rograkh played in my life.

>>97922290
>Waaaah! I'm going to sue you!
You couldn't be a bigger bitch if you tried
>inb4 n-no u
It's still you. You're the biggest bitch. Cry about it

>>97925197
yoshi rakh and ardenn rakh are also insanely good aggro decks at lower brackets

>>97925270
Never seen em

>>97925270
The original comic is applicable to multiple card games and isn't about edh at all. It's mostly how a cheap efficient card is way more playable in standard or whatever than a giant creature that costs too much mana. That dumb kobold still doesn't fit at all here

>>97925283
what

>>97925290
Huh?

>>97922939
>and they have so far never reprinted UB
That was a lie

>>97925308
What was?

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I know you can't have two legendaries with the same name, but how does the rule actually work? I'm mostly asking for the interaction in picrel. Would the copy still enter the battlefield and create a 0/0 germ (triggering stuff like Impact Tremors) or do you have to get rid of the duplicate legendary before then?

I can't resist playing this one deck over and over. It's basically been the only deck I really play for more than 6 months now. I WANT to move on and make new decks, but I can't stop.

>>97925403
Obviously you don't want it bad enough yet

>>97925079
>I don't think anything will top "Gamer"
sorry, 'pianist' was the one I was looking for. it was an elona/elin reference.

>>97925107
equipment trigger prowess and give buffs that last longer than one turn. plus, like, y'know, double strike and sheeit.

>>97925395
"the legend rule" is a state based action where you must sacrifice legendary permanents with the same name until you only have one.
you have bitterthorn enter
>SBAs are checked
firion and bitterthron each put a trigger on the stack, choose the order. in this case we'll put the living weapon on first.
>SBAs are checked
living weapon trigger resolves, making a token and attaching bitterthorn to it
>SBAs are checked
firion makes a token copy of bitterthorn
>SBAs are checked. you control two legendary permanents named "Bitterthorn, Nissa's Animus." you must sacrifice one of them.
if you have anything that cares about tokens or artifacts leaving the battlefield they trigger now, if so, check SBAs.
the token copy of bitterthorn wants to put its living weapon trigger on the stack
>SBAs are checked
make a germ, the bitterthorn token is not on the battlefield to be attached.
>SBAs are checked, you control a creature with zero toughness, it gets put into the graveyard
>SBAs are checked, the token in your graveyard ceases to exist

the germ does get made, it does trigger 'enters' triggers, it also triggers 'leaves' triggers.

>>97924234
>You can experience everything the game has to offer with 4 to 5 decks, really.
It's true and consoomer buyfags will kvetch and seethe about it

Yeah I play counterfeit duals
yeah I pass them off as real for street cred
So what?

>>97925419
Just wanted to add on, the legend rule does not count as "sacrifice" or "destroy" and does not trigger anything related to those actions. What you're doing is placing a permanent from the battlefield into the graveyard, so it does trigger "leaves the battlefield" and "dies" triggers.

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>>97925422
You can experience everything that this game offers with one time goldfishing. It's true. Only if you're extremely retarded of course

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>building mono black deck
>look at edhrec for card suggestions
>scroll down to lands
>basic swamp: 96% inclusion
>96%

>>97925527
You can theoretically get away with snow-covered swamps instead. But I doubt that accounts for 4% of mono black decks

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>>97925527
there's no reason to run basic swamps over snow covered swamps

>>97925539
But what if the opponent is running snow-covered landwalk?

>>97925554
What if the opponent is running lots of protection from black? Which do you think is more likely?

>>97925123
Appreciate it, lot of good stuff to consider

>>97925527
snow swamps so you can run withering wisps as a second copy of pestilence.

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I tried building Terra again, is this a decent list so far?
https://moxfield.com/decks/wWtsqCyKfEa3u9BLq_fqxg

>group never can attend anymore for commander
honestly might just sell my EDH shit and move to standard.

>off color fetches
>UB cards
>anime playmat
>unkempt hair
Any other universal signs of a dismal opponent to play against?

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>>97925638
>withering wisps
>another sick af old card I can pick up and amaze my friends with
Goddamn you fucking nerds are good people.

>>97925716
Dogshit commander like GAA4/Tergrid

>>97925716
He sounds like a chill dude who won't whine about every deck i play, unlike the 35+ year old faggots who are mad about everything anyone does in the game that isn't just letting them "do the thing".

>>97925107
Dont tell me you dont run swiftfoot boots and/or lightning greaves. Mirran banesplitter is a proewess trigger plus a free +2/. Hidden footblade. Cori steel cutter. Etc.

The main functions of the deck are to deal commander damage, and keep your commander alive. Going wide is a "win more" or "finish off the other dude" plan, primary function is spellslinging voltron. Narset EE does the same but at least encourages other prowess critters (some of which are monks).

>>97925044
The real tragedy is that monks are pigeonholed as prowess jeskai, when they could (and should) be Naya colored. But alas.

>>97925727
Played against a GAAIV once, and it was only bearable because I ran a shit ton of artifact/enchantment removal. Tergrid is always a bad time.
>>97925729
>Implying this was supposed to be one person
Lmao enjoy your insufferable pod faggot

>>97925729
homie that's like half of my LGS, at least

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>You didn't have removal right when I cast it? guess you just get to lose.
Hate this card so much.

>>97925774
Your lgs is full of unc???

>>97925777
>no player had removal
build better decks

>>97925527
If you're not running the basic/snowbasic of your monocolored deck, what the fuck DO you run??

>>97925781
>Just always have it.
>Expect others to also just have it
Retard.

>>97925788
Yes if there are 3 of you I expect you to not waste your removal and to save it for actual shit you need to take out

>It was turn 8 and NONE OF US had drawn a kill spell yet
sounds like a bad deck. Bro? Your tutors?

>>97925779
>going to a Yugioh LGS full of kids
dire

>>97925795
>Your tutors?
Scooping on the spot ngl senpai. Tutors are some of the most cringe shit you can run

>>97925813
100% chance you're balding

>>97925817
Bitch I have a full head of hair. Zero balding men in my family going back generations. learn2goodgenes

>>97925781
>have removal
>am the only one with removal
>my removal gets countered, everyone else shrugs

>play at new LGS
>Some guy and his sister are playing
>We play like 8 games
>They are cool
>The brother gets up to go buy a coke
>Sister puts her foot on my crotch
>Ok, maybe that was an accident
>She does it again and winks at me.
>She's like 16, maybe 17
>Pack my shit up and leave.
What the fuck is the matter with people these days?

>>97925727
The nicest, most shy guy in the group ran Tergrid and he always apologized for playing her. We killed him first or won, if he lost first he'd always say "yeah... It's understandable", in the nicest way but if he won, he never really said anything. I wonder what he got from playing such a cancer commander.

>>97925850
>my steak is too juicy, my lobster is too buttery!!

>>97925687
Terra is cute (cute!)

>>97925851
This is me kinda, people keep telling me to not apologize for the cards I play.
Feels bad that there's a few people at the LGS who get legitimately annoyed at the cards I like to play, like please bro it's just a game...

>>97925851
Hey man we don't get to decide what we genuinely find fun/interesting. I have a Narci deck and when shit gets going I've got like 30+ fucking triggers I gotta get through. I'll apologize because I know how bad it is to sit through these things but godDAMN do I enjoy just going down my autistic little checklist every turn

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Yeah if I don't see a good monogreen commander in the hobbit, I'm building this nigha

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>>97925895
got insanely juiced up by changeling cards in lorwyn

>>97925895
Oh hey my friend build him. Used all those 1-2cmc green instants that untaps a creature plus stuff like Magewright's Stone/Seeker of Skybreak to just tap/untap/tap/untap him for tons of fucking wurms each turn. Was pretty nifty

I need a good monocolor commander that isn't
>blue
>CMC 5 or higher
>EDHREC top 250

I played Light-Paws today for the first time and it lowkey is kinda boring, you guys were right.

>>97925916
Zul Ashur

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>>97925927
Classic

>>97925927
>Saying you have a play
The thing that makes me most annoyed by people.

>>97925944
I hope you realize a normal person wouldn't understand why that is.

>>97925927
>Three Plains and a Temple of the False God.

>>97925956
Sometimes you draw it early and have nothing else to play

The number of times some retard yapping has won me a game are as common as a dead player giving advice/ correcting a misplay to a remaining living and costing me a win. People need to just shut the fuck up and play.

>>97925716
>hates UB
>hates proxies
>plays gamechangers
>poltard opinions

All signs of an unlikeable goofball that needs to be avoided at all costs.

>>97925973
>precon baby

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>>97925850

>>97925973 case in point >>97925977

>>97925988
I'm a lefty though

Is Smothering Tithe worth it in a very low cmc deck? My highest card is about 4 mana. It's all 1-2 mana creatures for the most part.

>>97925973
Inversely
>pities UBusers
>encourages proxies
>plays in all brackets
>leaves political shit out of the gaming area
Would definitely be a joy to play with

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>Lose 7 games with Anje
>Win 1
>Suddenly every game I play her I get lazered

>>97925850
The least believable part is that you got in 8 games of EDH. Were you there for 13 hours? Did you just play 4 pod Nekusar so you weren't there all day?

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>Ask a guy if he has any interaction
>Flat out tells me that shit is cringe

>>97925850
Weirdest thing that ever happened to me was during a ride to Pompeii.
I had a girl grab my crotch during a train ride there. Girl couldn't have been older than 13. I would have chalked it up to an accident if she didn't do it twice.
I chalk it up to something in the water over there.

>>97926050
My LGS is open mon-fri, usually 2pm-midnight. I would have went for it if I was much younger, but I am an old man now and getting involved with a promiscuous young adult is not worth the risk. I didn't want to make a scene so I just quickly packed my shit and left. I just want to know what is up with young people theses days to pull that kinda shit.

>>97926188
You were there for 10 hours?

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If I move an age counter onto another permanent, does that permanent have to be sacrificed unless the owner pays the upkeep?

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>>97925944
I actually like it when people announce their plays or do that "heh, look what I got" to another player--makes who I want to take out of the table much, much easier.

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>>97926202
No, because actually checking age counters and paying the associated cost is tied to the cumulative upkeep ability. This is because different cards can have different costs.

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>Friends say they're going to build "low power" decks
>Counted no less than 9 GCs in their decks over the course of 2 games.

>>97926241
not the heckin game changerinos! Help me Gavin!

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Is Deflecting Palm really that good?

I've run Boros my entire life, and have always wanted a Boros Fury-Shield type effect that was actually good, and generally really enjoy using my opponent's strength against themselves. I even ran Shining Shoal for the longest time, and won many games by deliberately tapping myself out and then turning what would have been a defeat into a reprisal kill.

But, EDH is a different beast, and aside from 40 life making any form of player burn half as good, I almost never see a kill come from just one source. I had Deflecting Palm in my EDH deck for dozens of games, and have never cast it, even with it taking up a spot in my hand for the entire match.

I still fantasize about one of my opponent's pulling out some nasty combo and Earthquaking everyone for lethal damage, or it being down to a 1-v-1 against someone's suped-up voltron commander, only for me to be spared and for them to die instead, but no beautiful situation like that ever occurred. At best, I could cast it to deflect a tiny portion of damage while I would still die.

I often see it as one of the highest recommended cards everywhere I go, but I can't shake the feeling of it sitting in my hand, waiting for a moment that never comes.

>>97926310
It's less of a coup d'etat and more of a "hey stop that". Like say someone's swinging with their big dick 9/9, you pop DP to smack em back and prevent significant damage, especially if it's commander damage.

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>>97926310
>Is Deflecting Palm really that good?
Obviously its not for every deck but you run Deflecting Palm for the off-chance you BTFO some retard on the table. That alone makes it satisfying, and the uprise of Mono-Green Tifa's has only made it more common.

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>finally build a mono-red deck
>get to finally experience a bunch of red cards I've always wanted to play
>end up really loving it, even though it doesn't win often
Red is still my least favorite color, but I'm starting to see the appeal. Sometimes you just want to see the whole world burn, and have fun doing it.
https://archidekt.com/decks/20373687/zozu_the_land_punisher

>>97926310
I like playing it to save myself from commander damage bullshit. Though it has helped buy me a turn or two here and there where some dickhead was trying to off me with an 11/11 or something.

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>>97926310
Recommend this for your deck idea, City on fire isn't 100% needed, but turning that craterhoof into a boardwipe or kill is still funny.

Target target "target". Target "target" targets another target of your choosing.

>>97926075
what is this face attempting to convey?

>>97926470
retardation

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>>97926419
Comeuppance is definitely a card I've considered heavily, but that 4 mana cost and the way it acts like a board wipe instead of a player kill has left me with mixed feelings.

My ideal card would probably be:
>1W - prevent all damage that would be dealt to you and planeswalkers you control this turn from sources you don't control.
>some kind of kicker, probably 1R, preferably R: deal the damage you would have taken to the source's controller

I wish they would make a new vampire commander, Edgar is really cool but kinda bad.

>>97926515
Vampire tribal that's all about diving in and dipping out. Maybe giving vamps in your hand Dash and making Blood tokens when they land a hit?

Is my deck trash? I just built it and I feel like it's pretty decent, but I'm not sure. I'm just looking for any good adds or interesting stuff.

https://moxfield.com/decks/ZFEqWMbyJ02iR_uGCIcpxg

>>97926507
unfortunately in the case of noncombat damage we're looking at Eerie Interference, Channel Harm, Endure, Riot Control, Safe Passage, maybe Prismatic Strands. and then only channel harm deals damage.

>>97926522
Idk i'm not really a fan of blood tokens but I guess if they add a bunch of support for them that'd be cool.
I think what vampires really need is a 2 mana mardu commander that gives them a ton of card advantage, because as is it's very difficult to not run out of gas with them, especially if you eat some removal.
If they wanna push the tribe some the commander should let you draw a card whenever a vampire ETBs and it should do something else on top of that.
Still wouldn't be that incredible but it would make them more playable.

>>97926536
So many of the mono-white fogs are completely overcosted when they try to do something other than fog. Comeuppance at least gives me hope that a RW fog can actually be powerful.

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>>97926580
fuck, it should be if it dealt combat damage, so you're not rewarded for attacking with a thousand chump blocked vamplings with card draw.

>>97926580
I'm really not feeling the dash sadly, it doesn't really synergize with anything and doesn't advance your board state.
There's a decent amount of death triggers relevant to vampires, I think if this guy killed the vampires instead of returning them to the hand and then also had some sort of recursion built-in (that doesn't use mana), it would be sufficient to push the tribe and maybe set it up for fun aristocrats stuff instead of the aggro slop that most vampire decks are currently confined to.

>>97926622
Maybe use vampires having a lot of lifegain to make your life into an extra resource? Like saccing vamps to empower their allies then recurring them with your own health?

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Let vamps be simple and traditionally thematic: a Mardu vamp commander that can rez vamps and draw cards or whatever with life, paying mana to give lifelink or whatever. They tried desperately to make madness+discard vamp's thing but that's just too weak of a gimmick (not to mention barely supported) and too complicated and feels bad for Timmybrains (which is disastrous considering tribal is inherently Timmybrained).

They may as well get rid of tribes altogether at this point. The game is power creeping too much
Unless a tribe is getting 20+ viable new cards a year they're basically obsolete compared to the designers few favored tribes. Edgar may have been a nightmare once upon a time but 9 years later he's barely bracket 2 while random Merfolk commanders can shit out infinite more value.

>>97926652
I still don't get why this is a villain sub type

>>97926655
Namor's an antagonist who is sometimes good but he's too much of an asshole to be always a good guy

>>97926658
I expect Cyclops to also be Villain typing then

>>97926664
Cyclops is Him, The X-Man, he was always right and always will be right.

>>97926580
Goddamn I love this so much. Vampires are all about just showing up in bat form, biting something, and leaving. This tickles my tism in just the right way

>>97926664
Cyclops is literally the fucking Captain America of the X-men. How the hell would he ever be a villain???

>>97926778
well you see in this one storyline Cyclops did a Very Bad Thing that made him Mutant Superhitler and so awful his past self who was sent to the present had to tell everyone he's not Superhitler but then it's revealed what the Very Bad Thing was and it was destroying the Fuck Mutants Die Cloud that was making mutants die and he didn't want mutants to die and it didn't hurt anyone but inhumans used the Fuck Mutants Die Cloud to turn humans into Inhumans and if you're wondering, Inhumans are like Mutants but different somehow I think it's like a space thing. Anyways, even though Cyclops Did Nothing Wrong, he was still seen as Superhitler for a bit before that storyline was glossed over for... I think either Minority Report But Lame And Gay or some thanos bullshit who cares.

>>97926796
Yeah that sounds like comic books. If they do a Hydra Cap America (as they motherfucking should) then yeah I'd want a badguy Cyclops

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>>97926772
See, you get it. Vampires aren't just nobles with wine glasses full of blood and an entire army of noble undead warriors, they're also blood sucking rat bastards who swoop in to get their slurp on and dip out while leaving exsanguinated corpses in back alleys.
>>97926801
>Hydra Cap
you ain't gonna FUCKING believe this bro

>>97926811
>you ain't gonna FUCKING believe this bro
I know of the storyline, which is why I mentioned it. I'm not that ignorant of comic book bullshittery

>>97926813
oh you mean a hydra cap card.

>>97926817
Yes, I now see why it was confusing. That's on me

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Randomly going through my decks and found this bad boy. Anyone else running super rare tech? He's fantastic in Gabriel Angelfire

>>97926337
YJK she gets knotted in human form

>>97926876
>Implying she isn't the one knotting white women

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>>97926891

>>97926891
TRIP
BACK
ON

Muddle for elemental tribal or etb/combat good stuff?

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This is the UB general right? When are these guys getting a UB?

>>97927079
where diaper

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>>97927145
Here, babu

>>97927079
Where is snail?

>>97927157
gay baby jail

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>play her
>warn everyone that they can't play boardwipes/mass bounce because you'll make someone's creatures into lands, and that's MLD which is banned outside of bracket 4
How viable is this strategy?

>>97926337
Arlinn being a planeswalker seemed kinda pointless. She basically never left Innistrad.

>>97927256
They'll probably just whine and say you aren't allowed to play her.

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I have been getting kids of my friends into MtG, having them play with older cards (early modern era).

I want to make an Eldrazi "boss" deck where it's that special kind of deck only I have access to, it's cards they never seen before, it will only be brought out occasionally, I won't pull any punches when playing with it, and beating it should be a big achievement.

I want to restrict it to colorless mana only for consistent alien theme and without any bullshit like urza lands. No fancy combos, a 9-year old should understand what's happening.

What kind of cards to include? I'm worried about the early turns, I need something colorless to generate eldrazi tokens and to keep myself from dying even when several kids team up on me.

>>97927256
>"Hey guys I know we agreed to play at certain power level but despite that I want to bring this card which requires you all to compromise on your playstyle in order to accommodate my playstyle so technically I don't breach the power level we agreed on"

>>97927256
It requires 3 mana and two cards in hand if they're too dumb to board-wipe into that problem it's their fault.
But brackets are retarded and so are players so

>>97925283
Are you fucking retarded

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>>97927397
End boss should have annihilator. Choose one. There's also surprisingly few (good) colorless cards that shit out spawns/scions. Glaring Fleshraker, Idol of False Gods, Spawnbed Protector seems like includes. I have an eldrazi deck and it relies on swarming the field with spawns to ramp into the biggies

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>>97923158
im a red blue black control bastard and I dont even run discard because its so salty. I used to run inquisition of kozilek and duress to snipe out counter spells but in 4 player its just too much of a waste of opportunity many times

I do run MLD (currently decree of annihilation), and stax like leyline of the void & singularity, Stranglehold (all really not even even stax but just making people play fair) and creature sacrifice.

heavy creature sacrifice but no direct card discard. I think its too limited and will end up drawing everyones ire

if youre playing white theres much better control stax shit to play than mass discard. where people won't dip automatically

>>97922925
>>97922907
>>97925308
You have to understand /edhg/ has several mouth-breathing losers that have no life and foreverpost here, and one of them is UB-is-a-reserved-list-fag. Despite getting BTFO by reprints of UB cards and being upsetti that WoTC explicitly stated they have right to reprint(and not just as UW cards) anything already printed.

>>97925944
My friend does this and loses every time because of it.
>>kek I'll win on my next turn because I have THIS
>counterspell/removal/interaction
>well fuck why can't i ever WIN?
lmao

>>97927605
Yeah, like the guy who thinks anyone who has an opinion he disagrees with is the same person