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>thread question:
Does your army have a anthem or a theme song?
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KIND
KOLOSSAL
KUSTODES
KNOCKERS
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hows your collage entry coming along, /40kg/?
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>>97921610
>Does your army have a anthem or a theme song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_xqb416S7o
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>>97921627
Trying to get this smoke effect bit right at the minute, but the character as a whole is quite close to completion, then I just need to do the dead space wolf on the base
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everything's coming together
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>>97921627
Just need to paint the rim of my tau commander but i'm gonna leave Argal for later since I'd prefer having him hold an Ultramarine since that's what a long time friends been playing since I've known him.
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Let Chaosidolstake this thread!
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>>97921627
It's /wip/. This is the first ever space marines model ive put together and painted and its actually been really enjoyable, so much so that I wouldnt mind making a marines army myself (only ever played xenos). Still need to orkify it a bit but yeah, it's been fun
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The dinamic pose is good or bad?
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So can we acknowledge that the Eavy Metal painting style and the bright, cartoony looking 40k vidya games have hurt 40k's brand identity as a horror-adjacent wargame and completely disrespect John Blanche's artwork?
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>>97921769
we need to go back to peak
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>>97921760
It's mediocre at best. He's just jumping forward(?).
So far the only things I have hope for (marine wise) are the librarian and the speeder. I'm not getting that box even if they (somehow) end up looking great.
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>>97921782
At least show good looking oldschool paintjobs
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>>97921794
are you fucking retarded or something?
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>>97921627
Just went to pick up some space wolf paints. Expect a little diorama of a marines malevolent guy on a pile of dead space wolves. Still not sure if I should have him stand with a banner or have him sit on the corpses while cleaning his sword and smiling at the camera.
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>>97921769
No, 'Eavy Metal style is fine, you don't need to like it. Not reading the rest.
>>97921794
Shit bait
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>>97921769
No, but Imperial Armour is still the superior presentation and paint style for 40k and it should be the standard going forward.
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>>97921766
Meanwhile, at GW...
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>>97921797
Are you? Look at that grimderp faggot art, it gets mogged by this hopecore.
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You can get good paintjobs without the Nth degree of edge highlighting that Eavy Metal do
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>>97921819
I love eavy metal style... However:
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>>97921824
>guilliman
>hopecore
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>>97921832
>what if guilliman but...grimderp!!
GW should fire that artist. This is much, much better.
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>>97921838
Belief will not save us.
Lies will not protect us.
But it is our hope that will damn us.
In the spires and the slums, our people sing of victory.
Victory, as the galaxy burns.
Victory, as the Imperium rots around us.
Victory, as humanity rages against the dying of the light.
Victory...
- Roboute Guilliman
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>>97921790
I wish our groganons posted their models more often
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>>97921842
Guilliman’s pet bear. presumably because the writer wanted to have a mirror to Yvraine’s pet cat, but he couldn’t have a roman style wolf because space wolves have a monopoly over wolves, so a bear was chosen. sadly he doesn’t have a proper model, but I think the designers didn’t want to distract from Guilliman’s model by having a fuckass bear next to him.
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>>97921873
get better bait, battle brother
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Why are space wolves the least popular of the major chapters despite being the most recent of those releases?
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>>97921610
>tq
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyEvZw1rtYs
This got me thinking and now i think i'm gonna theme my farsight tau to be much closer to their og roots and be much closer to mercenaries, and try and worm in a more brutal aesthetic into my models to try and break from the usually clean tau look.
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>>97921901
They used to be extremely popular but as the internet made it clear that they were popular among a certain group its other fans slowly left them for other chapters and armies. The memes about Night Lord players being former Space Wolf players and hating furries exist for a reason.
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>>97921901
You have 5 major chapters: UM, DA, BA, SW, BT.
>UM
Basic guys, get gulliman, titus, etc.
>DA
Gothic Knights, nuff said
>BA
Angels and fury, nuff said
>BT
Crusaders, nuff said
>SW
Barbarians/Vikings with wolfitis
Who the fuck is surprised the SW aren't more popular than the first 4 when looking at this?
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>>97921901
>reddit loves all the late Forge World wank chapters that "lore youtubers" latch onto, and the nu40k Primaris chapters that have shit names like "Krakens of the Spear of the Void Tridents" and a suitable tertiary colour scheme
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>>97921627
i've finished one of them
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>>97921936
I mean desu I at least like when people paint up successor chapters since statistically speaking first founding chapters make up less than 1% of all marine chapters in-universe but show up fucking everywhere and are the most represented. Scythes of the Emperor have the best color scheme of any marine chapter btw
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>>97921957
>Scythes of the Emperor have the best color scheme of any marine chapter btw
ehhh I think howling griffons have the best color scheme. those guys fuck. any marine paint schemes with quadrants or splits generally look great because they look more like space knights.
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>>97921974
are they a legion offshoot of csm? If so, have them look like word bearers with black smeared on top of random parts of their red color scheme and then attach bird skulls and feathers and shit to them, give them a symbol that looks like the raven guard symbol crossed with the word bearers symbol. maybe a raven with a daemon's skull for a head. that sounds funny
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>>97921974
step one: don't call them bird wearers
step two: call them in reference to a predator of birds or ravens specifically, use the latin name for something grander sounding
step three: expand the concept of wearing ravens with the one of wearing torn wings and feathers, wings can be symbols of the imperium as well as symbols of demonic ascension, corvus corax is allegedly an imperial who sorta became a demon, so they would be very much involved with him, and by extension his chapter
step four: use the above as starting point for explaining how and why a sect of word bearers would take on the role of tracking and regulating faith and apotheosis, maybe seeding the word of lorgar (the imperial faith) works in thinning the veil between dimensions both when chaos cultists summon demons and when imperial cultists create living saints, maybe they have strict scriptures and prophecies about who and what are the only individuals who can ascend to demonhood and how, and so they hunt down everyone else, maybe their role of clipping wings is both literal and metaphorical, in the sense that they prey upon imperial cults and rogue demons and bring them into servitude, removing their freedoms
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Brings a tear to my eye. Fuck Primaris.
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It's just a fucking chained up bear the artist included in this piece to add atomsphere, that's it. Sometimes there is no need to fucking expound on it, 40k is just weird as fuck, let it be. You people are the same types to obsess over what happened to the russian guy in the woods from the Sopranos when the creator left it deliberately open ended because it wasn't the point of the episode
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>>97922059
>rumors of new tacticals with more old patterns of armor
>finally, GW understands that mkX armor is too busy and all they need to do is remove some of the pointless details
>it's just regular intercessors with a different helmet/shoulder pad
We're so fucked
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>>97922068
Imperial Armour got killed so long ago 90% of the newfag playerbase doesn't know the Red Scorpions existed. Bligh give me strength.
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primaris are like newcrons. they were poorly implemented, but complaining about them now after so much time has passed since their introduction just marks you out as a tourist secondary. although I will admit that the amount of units marines have now is ridiculous considering that it fucks up their entire to&e
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>>97922084
>Imperial Armour got killed so long ago 90% of the newfag playerbase doesn't know the Red Scorpions existed. Bligh give me strength.
>Implying fags are not painting primarse in RS colors
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>complaining about complaining
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>>97922095
>although I will admit that the amount of units marines have now is ridiculous considering that it fucks up their entire to&e
Yeah see, there's my issue with them, i don't actually give a flying fuck about how they were introduced, there's plenty of worse written shit in 40k, that only gets complained about so much because marinefags are loud about it. My issue is much more autistic - their units completely fuck up previously established chapter organization charts. They slapped the "battleline, close support, fire support" roles on as a band-aid fix that falls apart immediately when you think about it for longer than 2 seconds. Nevermind that it bloats up their codex. They seriously need to consolidate a lot of their units together, a refresh of their range would be a great opportunity to do that.
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>>97922125
>there's plenty of worse written shit in 40k
yeah cawl's a mary sue who kind of fucks up an entire vibe of the setting exclusively for marines to be even more special boys but freaking out about it when 75% of the HH fucks up the lore way harder is hilarious.
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>>97922142
imperial fists were never important, they're just the player#2 reskin that nobody without childhood trauma would seek out.
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>>97922138
>I'm sick of you being sick
What a little egotistical fuck you are
>>97922142
And because IF have no fucking identity beyong "fortifying". Look at their upgrade/bling, it's boring.
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>>97922173
>Intercessors
Tacticals.
>heavy intercessors, hellblasters, eradicators, infernus squads, aggressors, desolators
Devastators.
As you can see, one squad type is way more fucking bloated up into a bunch of seperate units than the other and needs to be consolidated massively. I'm not sure exactly how though, it's a complete clusterfuck.
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>>97922173
The sad reality is that both do have replacements but since intercessors and all the gun squads completely miss the point of tacticals and devastators the army will now just not have their core units, replaced by something out of the eldar roster in an age where even eldar guardians and aspect warriors have more weapon options than space marines.
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Primaris complaining is not dated, the poor implementation has been ongoing since 8e. hell they didn't have a heavy weapons team until 10e, they couldn't take drop pods until 10e, they couldn't take rhinos, their squads were boring and had no options. That's not even going into their lore. They're still not implemented right. people are still using devastator squads because primaris heavy weapons looks retarded, the only people that used them were competitive meta chasers for the 2 months they were good. They still don't have nearly as many options as oldmarines, they're nowhere as kitbash friendly as oldmarines, and they were made so rigid throughout the last 9 years that playing them felt awful, and that rigidity has infected the rest of the game. Footslogging infantry is now the only way to play most infantry because transports are overcosted and redundant, everything has deep strike and it's worthless because deployment is so forgiving and every army can spread like a virus across the board with 50-70 models. There's plenty of valid reasons to complain about primaris because they are still a negative influence on the game.
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>>97922183
Just mute/ignore the posts nigga, are you mentally damaged?
At no point do you ask yourself if your complaining about other people being unhappy is "needed" too? All you care about is protecting your little personal peace of mind.
I can understand people being unhappy about something they like being discontinued, but I have zero sympathies for people who are allergic to other's problems. Grow the fuck up.
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>>97922185
99% of people were always running mono weapon squads anyway when playing warhammer. Because it was faster and more efficient in terms of damage calculations when rolling dice.
GW just gave people what they wanted, ie. squads with only 1 type of weapon, and made it so you only needed to buy 1 box to get everything you need.
In the past if you wanted to equip a 5 man devastator squad with lascannons or heavy bolters, you had to buy 3 devastator kits since each kit only came with 2 of the same weapon.
Also, GW would've done this shit regardless even if primaris never existed, GW would've just made all kits into mono weapon squads because they don't care.
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>>97922187
The solution being really fucking simple too is what pisses me off. Just make two new kits, one of which is primaris tacticals with the hellblaster, infernus, desolator (redesign that missile launcher) guns as weapon options, alongside the UBGLs, throw in a heavy bolter and an eradicator melta rifle too. Then have the other be gravis-clad devastators, 4 of which can take heavy plasma incinerators, heavy bolters, multi meltas, or lascannons with the gravis clad heavy intercessors with the bigger bolt rifles as the 5 mooks of the squad while the sergeant can be kitted out like an aggressor. EZ pz lemon squeezy
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>>97922206
>In the past if you wanted to equip a 5 man devastator squad with lascannons or heavy bolters, you had to buy 3 devastator kits since each kit only came with 2 of the same weapon.
aCTUALLY IN THE PAST THEY HAD A CATALOGUE FOR YOU TO ORDER BITS FROM RETARD
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>>97922211
>make a 10 man squad primaris marines
>make a 10 man squad gravis marines
>make small upgrade sprues for the special/heavy weapons
Problem solved
Instead here are 20 fucking fomo shit and characters along 10 kits reusing the same CAD designs in the same 5x pose
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>>97922220
nta but took like 5 secs of googling
>>97922227
>You can only complain in a way/amount that I allow
Manchild?
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>>97922206
How many times are you gonna pretend people are talking about mixing loadouts and not the fact that splitting a squad of heavy weapons into a dozen other units is retarded and bloated?
>GW just gave people what they wanted, ie. squads with only 1 type of weapon
Ah yes, because for 3 decades the main complaint about marines, the army characterized by having flexible and customizable units with loads of options was... to have them work like aspect warriors? Who the fuck believes that?
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>>97922206
>99% of people were always running mono weapon squads anyway when playing warhammer. Because it was faster and more efficient in terms of damage calculations when rolling dice.
Which is completely and utterly retarded and only exists because of how the rules are written. Redesign the rules to make multi-weapon squads viable (just like IRL, that's how fucking special weapons work IRL, you don't get five guys with carl gustafs and have them run around together to all shoot at tanks while your riflemen don't have any AT capability at all, you just put a Carl Gustaf in the rifle squad in case they encounter a tank because it'll hopefully be enough for them to defend themselves from it).
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Once again the "old marine vs primaris" ""debate"" is just baitniggers shitting on oldmarines.
The only exception I've seen is a literal newfag who started playing 3 months prior shitting on the old stuff.
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I think the fundamental thing with 40k is that it's gone from people like Rick Priestley and Andy Chambers who had tact and drew on real history; to being completely decided by the corporates and the staff being an amorphous blob of underpaid soiboy 40k fans with no real influence other than video games and creaming themselves about the exploits of various characters available as HQ units
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>>97922227
Not him but my big sticking point with Primaris will always be their launch related.
I don't mind Tacticus and Gravis grew on me (barring the sled shoes on interceptors) but the phobos shins will always look bad to me.
My bigger problem is that they really did a scattershot launch with the units in that you didn't have true Primaris Heavy weapons that weren't on the Repulsor which 'has issues'.
Even now the majority of AT is vehicle based barring Eradicators (which live and die on a special rule) while the Las-Fusil Eliminators got kneecapped by the transition to 10th when they dropped to S9
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>>97922234
cool shit
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>>97922256
This fucken army captured my imagination massively as a kid, was the first time I saw Ork armour painted as if it was itself painted in gnarly colours. The airborne guard regiment they faced in the battle report also had a great scheme iirc
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Forgot the pic T_T
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>>97922211
>one of which is primaris tacticals with the hellblaster, infernus, desolator (redesign that missile launcher) guns as weapon options
Fuck that. I want the classic weapons, not the primaris ones that are 1/3rd longer for no fucking reason.
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>>97922289
>1/3rd longer
You're right, let's make it 1/2 longer
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>>97922274
Probably some Oath they swore to Yarrick that he's collecting on. Maybe there to collect a Relic found decades later from Tychos last stand. There's tons of ways to justify 3rd company taking part in it.
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Killing off Steel Legion is the easiest way to shut up Guard fags for wanting a second gas mask sub faction
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>>97922300
I'm not a huge fan of it but I've never been a fan of special characters in the first place.
I enjoy 40k by throwing my guys into the universe and making my own characters, not the idea of playing with someone else's toys.
It shrinks the universe by having big names everywhere and also leaves no tension as you know neither of them will die.
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>>97922316
>It shrinks the universe by having big names everywhere and also leaves no tension as you know neither of them will die.
The same people who say that are also mad it took six years for the lion to try and contact guilliman, and also no one cares about the glup shitto planets nameless killteams have been fighting over.
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>>97922314
>when literal superheroes are saving the world over and over again in every lore piece.
This is just false though? The only recent conflict that was actually won was Angron's invasion of Armageddon (again) and there were no primarchs there other than Angron, who lost. Again.
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models?
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>>97922300
If they're on their own with their chapter they tend to be fine and the characters feel like a brotherhood in a common cause. When you start dealing with multiple primarchs it gets into the same issues as capeshit movies.
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>>97922332
And Angron is barely even a character, he's just a ball of rage and gets thrown at shit until he gets banished enough times.
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>>97922317
rev up those crematoriums, cause i sure am hungry for total fandom death!!!
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>>97922286
Ive said a thousand times the obvious scenario is Armageddon finally giving way to the Orks and Leman Russ will return to save it. Its the most logical conclusion.
>>97922283
>Retarded xeno trash licks empty helmet from SWs
More news at 11....imbeciles
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>>97922329
Anon, I don't care what either of them are doing and, frankly, Guiliman should basically be stuck on Terra trying to run that shit.
I would rather hear about some Fourth Company no-name chapter duking it out with a force of Cyborks somewhere or a three way war/rush between an Admech Explorator Fleet, Votann Mining Conglomerate, and a Necron force all attempting to look/chase each other away from Blackstone deposits on a collapsing world.
You make a few characters for the booklet/campaign, fight some battles, and then kill a few/all of them off at the end with the survivors maybe getting an epilogue of "Went off and died heroically against y, was executed for x, decided to hold a party on his tomb world."
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>>97922368
Agreed
But for every one of us, there are 100 casuals and paypigs gawping at Twitch reveal streams and mentally doing WWF with their favourite characters.
All for a game that looks like this.
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>>97922372
For tournament play I can kinda cut some slack but I've started looking into doing my own terrain for personal use and my FLGs has some good stuff for pickup games.
I do agree on the casual aspect though, a lot of people seem to be coming into the universe and more latching onto existing factions than making their own.
Granted, some people out there will latch onto existing characters or chapters as they have the most written about them but half of the fun is carving out your own little chunk of the setting to throw down with friends in or doing a narrative campaign with some guys and having characters progress/die throughout it.
Granted, part of the issue is you need to have a reliable friend/gaming group with that in mind.
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>>97922372
WE HAVE TO LITERALLY KILL EVERYONE.
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Reign of Iron:
https://gofile.io/d/NVfIYy
Apocalypse:
https://gofile.io/d/LB1ULQ
come read about the black legion losing to iron warriors before the IW fall to take Agripinaa
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>>97922254
Only good part about old marine models was the decoration.
The new designs with better proportions and posing look much better.
Only dogshit miss steps are phobos and early primaris wave shit like suppressors and inceptors, and I'm glad GW is ignoring those too and have basically squatted them from the game already.
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>The new designs with better proportions
Better proportions for display maybe. Making everything bigger fucks up the playability of the game.
>posing look much better.
God no. Just look at this shit >>97921760
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Inceptors have an aesthetic issue with the feet but have been fun to use, though I honestly wish there was a pistol/power weapon version of them for basically fat-fuck assault marines.
Suppressors I kinda like the Idea of but they would've needed a full kit release and something that didn't require you to sit still to shoot.
Maybe heavy flamers as an alternate option or meltas, though the latter starts to double up on the Eradicators home turf.
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>want to play a fun casual game
>people still insist on using the shitty gw setups over anything with a bit of sovl
The last time I played a game with random terrain we just chucked shit anywhere and the centre objective was a massive statue, which for most of the game had orks and world eaters fighting over it. Was comfy
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>God no. Just look at this shit
That posing is unironically just completely fine actually.
What actually ruins it, is the retarded smoke holding him up. Literally just ditch the rock and snip off the smoke and just plant him onto the base like normal.
You fucking idiots are making this a bigger deal than it actually is.
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>mum found all of my old sprues and bits when I moved out
>she packed all of it into separate zip lock bags with sticky notes on each one with what kit they were from and their corresponding serial number
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It's dogshit
There's no weight to it's movement,
Is it just taking off? Then why are his legs bent like that?
Is he moving upwards? Then why does he look like he's closer to descending and moving forward with that angle?
He can't be descending because of the way the smoke is, but why are the purity seals pointing upwards?
GW can't pose for shit and it's obvious that most of the designers are just rejects of 3D artists
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inq28 is like looking at an alternate reality where GW followed through on "our artwork is the real setting, sculpting just isn't there yet and eavy metal exists as a style due to painting limitations" thing from the 90's and their modern models and paint schemes started actually resembling the grim, horrific artwork. But because GW is a publicly traded company, they use new sculpting tech to just make better proportioned cartoony models instead of actually making something with any amount of creative depth and risk behind it.
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>the ork equivalent of a gellar field is just large symbols of gork & mork
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Haven't they always had better teleportation tech than the Imperium? It's like the one thing they're genuinely good at tech-wise.
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The thing I don’t like about the Primaris Jump units is how they’re always mid flight. The fantasy of Jump Marines, at least to me, is that moment before he takes off, where he could go in any direction, slamming into anything at high and lethal speeds. They look so weightless in the new kits, when I feel like the major danger of them is a Space Marine shoulder charging you and killing you with the weight of a power armored super soldier behind it.
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uncanny resemblance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIGpuuqXI3I
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40k was going in a noblebright direction in 8th edition, GW pivoted from it because they cancelled their Age of the Emperor plans and fags against it still haven't gotten over it while fags who liked it bitch and complain about it going away. The last remnant of it is Space Marine 2's core tone that remains kind of hopeful because the game started development (where a lot of the core concepts and writing emerge) during 8th ed, but you can see the mid to late development push to include more shit like servitors and other grimdark stuff in the environmental background and atomsphere, like the writing team and art team were on two seperate wavelengths for the most part
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>>97921901
just look at those fucking artefacts...
Also, I just don't believe that pic is accurate (except maybe by R*ddit parameters).
>Why are space wolves the least popular of the major chapters despite being the most recent of those releases?
The whole "Space Furry" & "Wolf-named units" thing. 30k Space Wolves are much more cooler.
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Because they were lazy.
Also GW's answer for this is just
>the Emperor's traitorous sons have been planning morbid and macabre plans within the Empyrean for the last 10 000 years to finally kill their father and destroy his Imperium
(this totally isn't because we never actually came up with anything or did anything with the traitor primarchs in that span of 10 000 years, stop laughing!)
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I'm not even sure if that's true, just look at dawn of war 4 and (possibly) total war 40k's tone in the marketing, I think 40k vidya game devs are secondaries/tertiaries so they ended up falling for the "noblebright" memes, you've got the Lion showing up to SAVE DA DAY!!!! in dawn of war 4 like a superhero. also GW itself seems schizophrenic on whether it wants to sometimes double down on 8th's brighter tone or continue with the grimdark, just look at this artwork where angron jobbed to the Lion who teleports around like a superhero and saves people. The reason the fandom seems so divided on this is because GW and their media reps (aka vidya game devs) are themselves confused on whether 40k is quakecore grimdark or the superhero space marine showtime setting. I mean, when you have so many different people working on the setting who might have radically different views of what it is, fostered by a company that historically has told employees "40k is whatever you want it to be, everything is canon, not everything is true!" you're going to end up with the current clusterfuck
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>black dragons 7th
Much higher than I expected to be honest. But I guess it makes sense, giant space marines with bone blade growing out of their arms is a pretty cool.
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>>97922548
That's even funnier desu.
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>>97922548
Less taking him seriously and more the fact that two of his allied forces were just flat out going rogue (WE/EC) and also the realization that he'd been thrown into the same shitty job he was doing for the Emperor but now teamed up with the worst of his brothers.
Perty realized he'd chosen the wrong side, breached the walls just to say he did, then immediately abandoned the shitfit that the siege had turned into.
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>>97922528
Fulgrim has a pleasure planet he fucked off to for awhile after putting Gman into stasis
Magnus spent most of it in his wizard tower telling himself all according to keikaku every time anything happened
Morty was apparently happy to be a piece in the Great game in the Warp.
Angron was always getting summoned by the WE and thrown at planets until he got banished, it just happens more often now.
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He quit because he finished 95% of the project. Horus told him to leave at the remaining 5%. That this was a battle of demons and the death guard would be the first into the palace. He ragequit the siege because someone took his work and glory. If you know your lore Chaz thrives on treachery.
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What about the loyalist ones? How long are they meant to live for?
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Do Eldar ever fall to Chaos without just being consumed by Slaanesh? Like, surely there's an occasional Eldar corsair who ends up worshipping Khorne or something.
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The new article on Perturabo makes it seem like him being unaligned means he couldn’t manifest in real space, so he used the time to plan out the Infinite Citadel. Morty and Angron were sometimes to doing shit, but they were mainly jobbing. Fulgrim was uninterested in reality until his loyalist brothers started coming back, Magnus seemingly so as well. I imagine Lorgar is in the same predicament as Perty where being an unaligned Demon Primarch means he doesn’t get a voucher from a patron god to manifest when he wants.
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Angron has been actively raiding realspace for 10 millennia, he would just take long periods, millennia basically, to be able to reform himself in realspace every time he was banished, like any other daemon. He's just able to come back much, much quicker now due to the Great Rift.
Mortarion has been using the Plague Planet as his HQ in between eternities spent fighting the Great Game amongst the chaos gods in the warp, think an eternal strategy game of chaos daemons killing each other in the warp with mortarion as one of nurgle's best generals.
Fulgrim and Magnus were pretty much doing the same thing except Fulgrim was spending a LOT more time jerking it on his pleasure world and Magnus was spending a lot of time brooding in his wizard tower.
Lorgar has apparently just sat in a tower for a while and left the running of his legion to Kor Phaeron and Erebus for ten millennia, he's probably spending eternities exploring the mysteries of chaos, studying the Great Game, also hiding from Corax apparently. He's basically meditating, and since he's now a daemon he has unlimited patience and no concept of time (time is not a concrete thing in the warp, 10,000 years might feel like 10,000 minutes or ten thousand billion years or BOTH somehow because the warp is pure insanity)
Perturabo has actually been out raiding a few times apparently (he fucked up a forge world one time and it's implied he's done more) and leads his legion, but also spends a lot of time just doing autism shit with his domain and seething at the Imperium.
So for the most part they haven't actually been doing nothing, they're just daemons who bend to the whims of the dark powers. They're essentially greater daemons in power, and like greater daemons, they can take millennia to plan things, millennia between realspace incursions, millennia spent fighting wars in the warp in the name of the gods.
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Look GW hasn't recently ever said thats possible. We do have examples of it happening from a while ago though. The Path of the Dark elder book series has eldar falling to each of the chaos gods. There is also the true Chaos Eldar/ Crone World Eldar, those who pray to the gods, those that are bat-like chaos spawn monsters and eldar daemon princes
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>>97922588
Old lore had them be fucking dead. I shit you not. It was better then.
Nowadays, Guilliman was basically in stasis for 10,000 years a microsecond from death and the Lion was in a magical coma. Hopefully the others are FUCKING DEAD, mutated or imprisoned in the warp/webway. I hope they bring back Dorn as a fucking corpse the IF cart around so IF players kill themselves en masse, fuck basedalists who don't want 40k to be grimdark anymore
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>>97921610
Any good sources for obtaining a shit ton of GSC icons in various sizes? I want to put the little wyrm tokens and cult icons all over my brood brothers, tanks, and other converted units. I know I can just clip a few of the little fuckers off some hybrids and iconward icons and make molds to recast them, but I'd rather not have to do all that if I can help it.
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>>97922610
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>I hope they bring back Dorn as a fucking corpse the IF cart around so IF players kill themselves en masse
valrak would have a melty, and gw hates valrak, so they might actually do this just to spite him.
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>>97922643
Chaos Eldar don't exist.
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>Dorn is FUCKING DEAD
>Khan is a Grotesque or just dead from deldar
>Russ is lost in the warp/Spawn, dead from Warp exposure
>Vulkan is just fucking missing, PTSD from the war of the beast? presumed dead (perpetuals are NOT codex canon and thus if he dies he dies)
>Corax is a fucking crow demon thing in the Eye? But not really since it was a BL book and not a codex
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Reminder that the Space Marine armour marks started with mk6, and then Jes Goodwin had a week in the early 90s where he backfilled mk1 to mk5 with single metal models for the "mk6" to make sense.
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>>97922652
if orks can fall to chaos why shouldn't the eldar?
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>>97922665
They shouldn't exist purely because the fanart you're posting is pure dogshit. Hope this helps.
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>>97922675
Tzeentchian elf pussy that turns into bussy halfway through.
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>>97922664
They do not.
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they can tho
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>>97922694
Maybe post something from this century, dipshit.
>>97922696
Chaos Eldar don't exist. They have no models, no official art, and only ever 'existed' as a throw-away blurb in Liber Chaotica that has since been retconned.
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>>97922631
People who say this aren't actually fan of the setting or the characters and only say it because they want other people to be pissed off because they managed to ruin a character other people liked.
Evil only corrupts what good has made, never creates.
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>(perpetuals are NOT codex canon and thus if he dies he dies)
I find it hilarious people still say this shit.
GW has not given a fuck about the difference between codex lore or BL lore for at least 20 years.
Both are equally dismissable for them and they will change it whenever it suits them.
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>>97922703
They do not actively worship Chaos, nor bear blessings or mutations from Chaos.
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GSC are just Humans with an extra organ connecting them to something weaker than Chaos.
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>>97922715
I know 40k had many of the primarchs dead. I never denied that.
Primarchs being alive is more interesting and cooler than them being some random retards who are dead. Like Solar Macharius, I know who he is, I don't care because he is dead and his story has been told.
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>They do not actively worship Chaos
They are constantly feeding slaanesh with their suffering and torture.
DEldar as a whole are just a slaanesh cult but in denial of it.
For fuck sakes, Mandrakes alone are already chaos eldar and they made a pact with a shadow daemon (belakor) to escape their of being devoured by slaanesh.
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I'd nut so hard if we got some Daemon "Primarch" Farsight action
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>GSC are just Humans with an extra organ connecting them to something weaker than Chaos
Sure, but they can also serve chaos. AFAIK that Nurgle GSC is still floating out there in the void somewhere ready to cause trouble
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Again, Slaanesh does not give the Dark Eldar blessings or mutations.
And it's never stated where Mandrakes get their powers, but they don't worship Chaos therefore they aren't Chaos Eldar.
It doesn't matter how many "But! But!" lines you pull. Humans are the chosen species of Chaos and no significant Chaos Xenos exist.
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>check lexicanum for Iordax Quan
>no results
>check codex
There he is. I knew I recognized that name.
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7th ed bros were finally back
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wrong, it's minor tau
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*turbos boosts behind you*
nuffin personal 'umie
just krumpin
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>Cadian 8th is in Reign of Iron defending against the Iron warriors advancing towards Agripinaa
>They're also in Space Marine 2 fighting Tyranids
The actual answer is either "don't think about it" or "they moved them" but my headcanon is that there is a bunch of Cadian 8th Regiments that the Imperium has for propaganda reasons since it is such a famous regiment in-univserse.
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I mean it’s unique but thinking about it for more than a second it’s fucking horrendous. What board do you have where you can draw a clean 24 inch line with no blockages of any kind? Let alone trying this with the fat bases half of speed freaks have.
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I think I found something you might like more than this thread
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>peers
nobody wants you around, nobody is your peer, every single one of your posts is dogshit, you don't like warhammer, you're worse than a secondary, you're a disgrace and the world will be relieved to see you rot away alone
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>When are we getting Savlar Chem Dog guard models?
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>>97922394
>The new designs with better proportions and posing look much better.
You can have the old designs with good proportions like CSM did. That's most of the complaint about primaris. They didn't need to change most of it and ship of thesseus the army away.
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>>97922903
no, 40k was born out of everything that adult nerds in the 80s considered cool, if there's nothing influence by star trek it's because they had nothing cool to offer, not because of some meta comment or reaction about the sci fi genre.
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GW refuses to put dates on stuff anymore because they are cowards but since Titus had time to be promoted to captain again and do a whole ass campaign in Ultramar after the events of the game then the Cadian 8th had time to get refresh troops and sail back to Cadia.
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>>97922903
In about the same way Star Wars played an influence. You could throw a rock at anything in nerd culture in the 80s and it probably had some influence on early 40k. Highlander, Conan, Dune, etc. It all had influence via cultural osmosis. But TNG might have had some stronger influence as the editions in the early 90s rolled out.
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>Iron Hands say 'The Flesh is Weak'
>Are literally named after the self dismemberment and replacement of their own hands with machinery
>Hold contempt for people who are just flesh
>See machinery>flesh
>Try to act like cold logical machines
Iron Hands are fucking Phyrexians
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>It's time to stop, Perty...
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I'm just saying, Iron Hands have bee doing fuck all in the fluff, experimenting on their own chapter serfs/people on their homeworld and forcibly turning them into machines to make them 'better' could be something they've been up to. If you wanted to make them a more villanious and sinister loyalist chapter that get away with their bullshit due to being a first founding chapter.
They're already teamkilling assholes, I can see them trying to change their ways and be better by 'helping' their allies and making them stronger via turning them into cyborgs.
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The initial concept for Rogue Trader where you're the captain of a ship going to strange planets and dealing with the threats on there is very Star Trek-esque, though in both cases that's just Horatio Hornblower in space.
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https://realmofchaos80s.blogspot.com/2014/06/acceptable-in-80s-first-w arhammer-novels.html
Priestley says it is one of the influences.
>Priestley: Funny about John Blanche being influenced by the Dune movie ratrher than the book because John never did read anything!
lmao
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>>97923008
I don't like it when people try to make GSC cool or strong. I like them as blue collars so retarded they got duped into worshipping an evil alien that will kill them. Every single reddit MY GUYS post has them somehow rebelling against nids and also being gay communists
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Well the infection had to start somewhere.
>>97923008
It's not about destroying the Imperium, but rather becoming the Imperium. Chaos is big and loud, but the cults can lie dormant and take over planets without a single shot fired. Hell, the cults are even more productive than your average Imperial serf.
But yeah, the whole "being the nids appetizer" aspect does make us the biggest losers. That's why /MyDudes/ have a malstrain patriarch that hive fleets want nothing to do with.
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I also hate how reddit tries to turn GSC into their gay commie worker revolution shit. I fell into GSC because I wanted to play a semi-independent raider/space pirate faction. Guard felt too regimental and vehicle heavy while chaos cultists leaned too heavily on the CSM. My dudes can do their space pirate thing with their mutant friends while waiting for the angels that may never arrive. Narratively they're all inherently doomed, but desu I'm here to shoot and loot, not write a satisfying ttrpg story arc.
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>>97923063
eh they were quick, so I don’t mind. hopefully they keep it up because it’s genuinely been a great few days posting here without a mosquito buzzing in my ear. anyway, how goes your collage entry?
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I don't pretend GSC to make any sort of revolution but i also don't like the idea of /mydudes/ ending in the belly of the bugs just because James can't write better. Some sort of in-fight or collab with their overlords should be possible.
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Hello Mr i like orks :D, my entry is getting closer to being finished, I posted it here >>97921688
It's going to be a deff dread with 3 skorchas and one klaw
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Specifically reddit MY GUYS exaggerate the pinko shit while also making them successfully rebellious against nids so as to avoid making their communism look stupid. Bonus points if they're led by an infested ex sister of battle
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>>97923136
Feeeboterz Codex when?
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>using marine terminator armor to set basic booby traps
>putting marine equipment on spies for their allies to shoot at
>throwing marine equipment into a scrap heap because its too dirty
wtf is up with these guys? do they just have an infinite budget, so they can waste their shit?
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Closest I could get to what I was after.
>>97923109
My complaint isn't with GW, it's with reddit tards who completely ignore the religious cult aspect and replace it with "lmao unions and worker rights". GSC uprisings are holy wars lead by the common folk (and xenos) to conquer the holy land for their gods, not unions removing the planetary government so they can get fair wages and equal helpings of corpse starch.
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Orks have never appealed to me for whatever reason.
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Why do redditors associate the GSC with Commie revolutionaries anyways?
I just don't see how it works or why they would genuinely push the connection because in the end the GSC get eaten by their Tyranid overlords and then a few go to the next world to spread their ruin again.
If the GSC are a genuine allegory to all the Commie stuff then it is an allegory meant to satirize them in a negative light.
I do like the idea of playing them as chaos guardsmen with daemon proxies for their monsters though if I can find proper daemon proxies.
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I don't know what your scene is like, but in at least half my wins with GSC, the other party will try some cope about, "my guys would win in the lore" or "yoir guys all die eventually anyway". If they're a space marine player, the rate is probably closer to 80%.
Nothing makes them seethe harder than giving them pic related. Just embrace your fate, it rules.
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>orks have never appealed to me for whatever reason
dark eldar then? they don’t lean into it as hard as freebooterz for sure, but they’re still very much space pirates who go on raids, and hide in their safe harbor to bring back their loot.
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>Why do redditors associate the GSC with Commie revolutionaries anyways?
probably the models with mining equipment
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>>97922707
Hello again skyborne sanctuary. I'm sure this won't be as cancerous in Orks as it was in Eldar.
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>>97923175
It’s because GSC are the only rebels of any faction in the game who aren’t corrupted by Chaos. Theoretically, there are also Eldar corsairs, but those are just pirates, and Dark Mechanicus, but they don’t count either.
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>>97922837
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>>97923160
its the same way neo nazis like to play imperium factions despite them being a clear critique/satire of fascism. its fun to play the army that has aspects of your ideology and aesthetics, and even if its meant to make fun of your ideology, you can always brush it off, and laugh along.
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I don't like their weird space boats. The flesh warping aspect is pretty metal though and appeals to my desire for mutant things in my army. Although they did get fucked by Slaanesh appearing, they didn't scratch that underdog itch for me.
I think you might be taking the "pirate" theme a bit too literally. I wanted a bunch of renegade and cutthroat underdogs that I could theme and kitbash as such. GSC literally using repurposed tools and whatever they could scavenge or steal fits that bill perfectly imo.
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>Why do redditors associate the GSC with Commie revolutionaries anyways?
Because they are intentionally designed and written to invoke that; see >>97923096
>If the GSC are a genuine allegory to all the Commie stuff then it is an allegory meant to satirize them in a negative light.
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>it is an allegory meant to satirize them in a negative light.
Like everything in this fucking game? Nazis, commies, hooligans all satirized, only the retards could believe they are actually encouraging such things
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why is it that every week GW reveals new rules for armies that would fit the elf factions but get nerfed out of existence in said elf faction
Spamming reactives is more Elf than Guard, and the new Ork detachment literally has Skyborne Sanctuary But Pre Nerf
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>Let me break it down for you, Orgustine
Was Darktide the only 40k media in recent years where people like the new characters they introduced? I can't think of any from recent Black Library books or Space Marine 2.
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>>97923233
Humanity working together conquered galaxies and became so powerful that nobody could oppose them, Id say with the proper protocols and regulations on their AI to avoid the dark age of catastrophe that they would have succeeded with fascism, but that’s just me.
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Using AI slop to try and get an idea of how I want to paint my dwarves. Any idea what kind of contrast/speedpaint would get a blue in a tone similar to this? Runelord brass for the metallics seems like an obvious fit.
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>>97923222
I don't want to play space elves. I don't want to play roided out orks. I don't want genetically enhanced super soldiers taking orders from daemons and kicking a few slaves about.
I want a loose band of humans and mutants with irregular salvaged equipment getting blown apart whenever something looks at them. I don't want a regulated army, I want space ISIS using wave tactics and deep strikes to overwhelm stronger opponents. I want infinite kitbash potential without some guy saying "hey, that's not a shuriken rifle".
Maybe if traitor guard or the Severan Dominate was an independent army with their own take on the guard playstyle I would have gone with them, but for now the best option for my army fantasy is alien hybrid space ISIS.
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I know they're not ideal for flat surfaces, I just get frustrated trying to work with traditional paints. It wasn't until I tried using contrast and speed paints that I finished I project I put off for 14 years. The slapchop method is good enough for my tastes, and more importantly, I actually get things done rather than putting them off indefinitely.
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>>97923226
the whole gommie revolution (but actually 'nid dinner) bit in GSC is obvious, what a bizarre argument this was
>To the oppressed masses of a Genestealer Cult, the Kelermorph is a figure of folk legend, a revolutionary hero battling the uncaring cruelty of authoritarian rule. To the enemy he is a figure of dread, a hated anarch who seeks to tear down the foundations of civilisation. In reality the Kelermorph is something else entirely: a bioform created for the specific purpose of exploiting mortal psychology, a cold-blooded killer in the guise of a legendary gunfighter whose actions inspire generations of sedition and revolution.
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>>97923167
>the other party will try some cope about, "my guys would win in the lore" or "yoir guys all die eventually anyway".
Not gonna lie the autism of losing in a way that is not fitting for my dudes is what prevents me from gaming.
How do I break free?
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>I want space ISIS using wave tactics and deep strikes to overwhelm stronger opponents
This is literally just Imperial Guard army but you use Necromunda/whatever the fuck models you want for it.
What you're more talking about isn't even rules, you're just talking about the visual look and feel of the army, which is what you can already achieve very easily.
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>GW forgot to errata chaos rhino and raiders into NOT being able to carry 9 fucking mutilators
Woahh who could have seen it coming?!
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>>97923303
They already did remake the land raider though
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>>97923271
that’s great, but don’t act like the people who treat their faction as they’re meant to be are some crazy secondaries going off the wall with the lore, or that your shoving a square peg in a round hole is true to GSC.
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>>97923026
>>Priestley: Funny about John Blanche being influenced by the Dune movie ratrher than the book because John never did read anything!
>lmao
Blanche isnt admired because he is a smart guy with words worth listening too, hes admitred because he made cool art. One of my favorite artists every is kazuma kaneko and hes a full on retard IRL who quit his cushy job at Atlus to fall for a fake NFT scam job that makes AI generations of his style. But his art style has influenced thousands and brought joy to millions.
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>>97922391
Do you have the Maelstrom books?
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>>97923330
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>>97922286
my guess is Leman Russ returns and they rework the Space Wolves lineup a bit as well. A lot of people aren't happy with how over the top they are with all the wolf stuff. Russ returning as a Odin-esque figure and the space wolf lineup changing to be more Norse/Viking themed (IE closer to their 30k appearence) would make sense. People really like 30k Space Wolves, people don't like 40k Space Wolves as much.
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disagree, I think inching the setting forward over the last 10 years has made the lore a lot more interesting
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>>97923355
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>daemon primarch returns
>fans of that primarch go "awesome!"
>loyalist primarch returns
>fans of that primarch go "WAAAOOOWWWW I HOPE HE FUCKING RUNS ROUGHSHOD OVER THE SETTING AND FUCKS UP ALL THE CHAOS AND XENOS FACTIONS, I HOPE HE SPILLS BLOOD ON EVERY TRAITOR WORLD, IF HE DOESN'T FULFILL MY LOYALIST POWER FANTASY I'M GONNA THROW A HISSY FIT!!"
what causes this?
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>>97923374
you must understand that primarch enjoyers (of both chaos and loyalist tints) are goyslop marvel enjoyers who clap like seals when it comes to "My primarch could totally beat up urs!!!"
The common counter argument is for some marinefag to then talk about how Marines are the most popular, fully unaware that he has shifted into th 40k equivalent of a commander player
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russ will come back like morathi-khaine: normalish looking odincore primarch and fucked up wulfen
when russ dies as the normal man he returns to deep strike as a crazed wulfen
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Ork bros, how could I improve this list
(2000 points)
Detachment: War Horde
Battlewagon (160 points)
Beast Snagga Boyz (95 points)
Beastboss (95 points)
Big Mek With Shokk Attack Gun (80 points)
Boyz (170 points)
Breaka Boyz (140 points)
Flash Gitz (80 points)
Flash Gitz (80 points)
Ghazghkull Thraka (235 points)
Gretchin (40 points)
Kommandos (120 points)
Nobz (105 points)
Painboy (105 points)
Stormboyz (65 points)
Tankbustas (140 points)
Trukk (70 points)
Trukk (70 points)
Warboss (75 points)
Warboss (75 points)
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>>97923393
>The aeldari had embarrassed him in his own domain, such an insult could only be answered in bloodshed.
>As the remainder of the aeldari fleet disappeared into the deep void, he swore there would be a reckoning.
Is this the description of someone who won?
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>>3 years ago this thread was filled with primarch defenders
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>>97923374
well I think chaos players see primarchs as essentially named greater daemons with a deeper connection to the legions so they just treat them as named greater daemons, cool characters to rally behind, whereas a lot of loyalist players are attached to marines purely as some form of power fantasy. so they view primarchs as an extension of that power fantasy and want them to come back so they can see them kick other factions' dicks in. so when the lion comes back and kicks only a few dicks in and not everyone's dicks, of course it got dark angels fans mad. their engagement with the setting is purely one of dick smashing.
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>>97923412
Huron killed thousands of Corsairs and destroyed the second largest ship in Yriel's fleet with genuine ease.
Yriel saved 'dozens' of survivors (and an equal or greater number of Corsairs were simply taken captive anyways) and lost most of his personal crew in the process.
Yes, Huron won. Yriel managing to piss him off doesn't change that fact.
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>>97923400
the notion it was a good thing because it progressed the story quickly fled away when they did absolutely fuck all, and didn’t have them actually effect the galaxy in any meaningful way. so now you still have the crowd who hates primarchs for the standard reasons, and you also have former primarch fans who hate them for wasting resources on books where nothing happens and models that look retarded.80% of the defenses were probably the PAK anon though, so that may be another reason its died down.
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At the end of the day, the GSC are a pseudo-religious cult driven by psychic alien bonds at it's core. Workers partaking in an uprising does not inherently mean unions and overthrowing the oppressors for the good of the people. Some cults might lean into that bit more than others, but reddit takes it to an extreme. The books lean heavily on the religious zeal aspects and are not about freeing the underclass. The identity of the faction is not forming unions and taking over the means of production for the people.
I will play and style my GSC like a rusted claw cult doing mad max shit in the irradiated wastes between the hive cities of their world until the star children come and have fun
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That's the beauty of it, GSC are probably the most flexible faction. Outside of the infect->subvert->holy war->become food pipeline, basically anything goes.
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As long as it doesn’t increase confusion, I don’t care about proxies. Having to stop and ask “what’s this again?” really ruins the game. Friend of mine plays sisters at game night, he built his Sacresants with maces, and says “these are all halberds,” I don’t care. If he tried to say “these are 3 Halberds and 6 Maces, and this unit over here is 7 halberds and 2 Maces.” That’s where you have to draw the line, you see this shit with tacticals all the time, where they built the model one way, and want to play it with a completely different way on the table.
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>>97923435
excuse me? >>97923078
>I also hate how reddit tries to turn GSC into their gay commie worker revolution shit.
sounds like someone doesn’t like how they have the wrong opinion of how GSC should operate.
>oh but they take it too far!
so? inciting riots by the underclass in order to kill the current elite and take their place is a tried and true method to taking over a government.
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>>97923472
>hallucinates a conversation that didn't happen
you are too stupid to be alive >>97923078
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>>97923482
Already posted models
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Thats fair, I rarely get any replies to my models anymore
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>>97922750
>Slaanesh doesn't give them blessings
>they don't worship Chaos
Most CSM Warbands don't worship Chaos hence why Word Bearers stand out. The Dark Eldar FUEL Slaanesh and simply don't care because they get to live while Slaanesh gets to feed. They are Chaos Eldar the same way Iron Warriors and Night Lords are Chaos Aligned despite not being into Daemon Worship.
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/myguys/? Street marinez.
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>>97923409
Looks fine to me but I prefer 2x Gretchin maybe drop the bustas+sag/nobz for another breakas+boss+trukk but depends on your local meta/terrain also unless you are minmaxing for secondaries I always found stormboyz kind of useless but that's just me.
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>>97923484
Literally not the inciting post, which was
>Every single reddit MY GUYS post has them somehow rebelling against nids and also being gay communists
Actual hallucinating, brown skinned, no models, secondary retard chuds
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>>97923480
>According to BFG, a basic Dragonship has a crew of just over 15,000, bit can range from 12,400 to 18,000
Where the fuck you found this, youtube shorts?
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>>97923536
>hallucinating
your own post you're quoting as an attempt to cover your autistic tantrum up is still you throwing a fit over people liking GSC for a reason you don't and then you contradicting that here >>97923451
>That's the beauty of it, GSC are probably the most flexible faction
(you) are a schizophrenic, (you) are throwing a childish fit, (you) are projecting in your desperation to be seen as right on an anonymous image board
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>>97923480
and now you're using a different 25 years old publication to pretend your made up numbers matter more than what the text is telling you is the result of the story.
while knowing full well that gw barely understands the scale of his setting, and that behind those quotation marks there's a world of different numbers that would make your argument moot.
Not to mention the importance of the prisoners and recovered artifacts, regardless of their numbers.
GW for once tries to have a story that has backs and forths, that has victories and losses on both sides, and all you care about is twisting it as much as possible until you can make some sensationalistic reddit meme
>the basedmarines STOMP & MOG the elves
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>>97923275
DAoT Humanity was not unified at all. It's all mini-empires itching to burn each other with planet buster tier WMDs.
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>>97923562
>GW for once tries to have a story that has backs and forths, that has victories and losses on both sides, and all you care about is twisting it as much as possible until you can make some sensationalistic reddit meme
>>the basedmarines STOMP & MOG the elves
It's funny you complain about that when it's literally what the text says. As soon as the Red Corsairs joined the fight they mowed down the Eldar and the only one who could stand up to them was Yriel himself. And this was, and I quote, HANDFULS of Red Corsairs, against an entire army of Eldar.
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>>97923552
There was no "fit", some guy saying he finds reddit cringe is not a "fit"
The fit was you youtube watching spergs telling him he can't do whatever he wants with his guys
You are retarded secondaries, you are predictably accusing others of the thing you are guilty of, and you desperately need to open up your own throat
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>>97923275
Anon...
DAOT Humans were still small fries compared to the Eldar, Empire who would have easily crushed humanity if they were so inclined.
Humans have never left the galaxy (let alone conquered it), was barely 'united' at all, and brought about its own downfall with the Men of Iron.
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>>97923038
It's natural to want your dudes to win, so making a faction who's win condition is literally getting cucked is lame.
Honestly, the concept would work much better as a playable faction totally divorced from nids as it's own weird xenos thing.
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>>97923275
anon sama, mankind has been fucked by eldar and daot empire has been wiped out while eldar empire still been in power 5k years more before the fall
>Lhaerial shifted her gaze to Veritus, and her hard eyes made him flinch as if she saw something in his mind and reflected it back upon him. ‘The idea appeals to your vanity? You were correct in what you were saying, through there. You are a tool to us. Our people ruled the stars when this world was ruled by reptiles. Many came against us – the soulless ones, the krork at the apex of their might, in comparison to which this latest folly is laughable, the cythor and a thousand other races so terrible your intellects could not contemplate them. Even your own ancestors and their unliving legions at the so-called height of their mastery. We defeated them all. ‘To you we seem a sorry remnant, a ragged glory fading into the void, but we are not yet extinct, inquisitor. What is a few thousand cycles of weakness when set against millions of power? You fell yourselves, your empire is a pathetic mockery of what your kind once had. Mark my words well – unlike you we shall be mighty once again. We would prefer it if there were still a galaxy to rule when we are ready to return.’
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aight here is lair of the tyrant from maelstrom
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>>97923468
We have plenty of top tier model posters here anon, we just don’t like showing off 24/7 is all.
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>>97923508
Dark Eldar actually don't fuel slaanesh. They don't have a large enough soul to make an imprint in the warp anymore. That's why they can operate in the pariah Nexus. They have null warp signatures. They feel slaanesh about as much as the tau or the votan do.
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just lair of the tyrant not raid and ruin or crucible of champions though
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>>97923722
My bad brother, here are some of my Knights.
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>>97923676
>this shit
>top tier model posting
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>>97923511
I know this is kinda random and unrelated, but I've been thinking about a marine chapter that are made from prisoners who have no choice in the matter.
And becoming a marine isn't a redemption but a punishment.
Basically inspired by this Starcraft cinematic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA9hQx-SJ5Y
The "That armor, is your new cell." sounds great.
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The new detachments look sexy as hell. Cannot wait to jumpscare my opponents with Warboss Speedwagon crashing through anything and everything.
>I'll be safe behind this wall across the board!
>Why do I hear engines getting closer?
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>>97923739
belacuck is literally the demigod of shadows. GW is going in that direction, just like they're going in the 'all primarchs back' direction with Knight-Sized peterturbo. It doesn't matter if you don't like it, or Grey Knights wanting to kill the emperor if he comes back, or the fact the King in Yellow is Valdor Constantin trying to revive the Emperor as the Dark King bringing custodians int oconflict with grey knights. This is what GW is doing.
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>>97923728
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>>97923781
>Basecoat Pro Acryl Blue
>Highlight all over with 2:1 mix of Pro Acryl sky blue and pro acryl blue (respectively)
>All over wash with Tyran Blue
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>>97923777
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>>97923820
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>>97923248
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>>97923743
I unironically want to make a penal marine legion. Not for random criminals, but for Space Marines that disobey orders or get teammates killed and stuff like that. I think in most legions these guys just get a bolter to the back of the head or get made into a servitor, but it would be cool anyways.
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The underlying issue with so much of 40k's balance is the inability to say 'No' to Marines and the rest of the armies suffering.
Want to make a 'fast' army? Well, gosh, first we need to consider the feelings of the 'fast' marines in EC and BT. So at the very least, your army needs walk-through-walls jetpacks or Advance/Charge spam armywide to be 'fast', otherwise your 'fast' army is slower than Marines.
Oh, but if you took away their damage or marine profiles it'd be so sad for the Marines. So if you want to make a fast army you end up with ridiculous statlines because if you're not as tough as marines you need to be either killier or faster, and that's tricky without breaking the game. They try to do 'fast' and end up with Spectacle of Spite which is broken as shit
Want to make a 'tanky' army? Well you can't be too tanky, otherwise the Nurgle and Dark Angels players feel upset! Yesterday we even had a guy saying that T6 2W 3+ -1tohit basic infantry weren't tanky enough. But oh, if you make them too slow it wouldn't be fun, so they get all the standard movement tricks for marines. So if you want to make a tanky army (Nids) you have to couch it in a trillion debuffs so that the Marine players don't feel sad. So it ends up with GW trying to make 'tanky' and ending up with abominations like nu C'tan
Gladius needs Advance/fallback and shoot/charge armywide with a reactive move, so if you're going to be a toolbox faction you need at least all of that shit to compete, which is why we're now getting Guard models with upwards of 7 individual possible things they can do in an attempt to match Gladius
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You are Based. Many thanks!
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18 deffkoptas locking opponents in their DZ seems diabolical but is it better than advance/ charge+ fall back and shoot? Shooting with 4 kustom mega blastas and 14xd3 rokkits?
Hopefully the detachment has better strats than the current speed freeks detachment
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I wonder how >>97923796 >>97923809 >>97923820 anons didn't recognize Sasha Grey, are they that young?
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not scanned yet, if FSB posts more in their Telegram channel, i will definitely share it here too
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What do you guys think about the rerolls being everywhere in 10th? I hate it personally, it feels like it's done to take all the variance out of the game. Which at this point I have to ask, why even have this be a dice game then?
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>>97923779
okay good for you buddy you're right if you scream hard enough the lore changes GW made just won't happen, you're the boss of oyur schizo palace of delusions and everyone else is wrong. Have a nice day faggot.
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>>97923864
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The most common stat line in the game being Sv3+ T4 2W with access to AoC has had a massive effect on warping th emeta around killing that statline, while armies are all design like the baseline enemy is actually Sv5+ T3 1W and that's just factually untrue in almost any meta.
The speed thing is super extra funny because marines are far and away the fastest armies in the game with way more advance and charge and reactive/surge moves and redeploys than either of the eldar factions but people still pretend like those armies are speedy and tricky.
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I'm tired of your lies
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>>97923909
So the only unit that will benefit from of this (on a gw or wtc terrain layout) will be wazdakka and a squad of bikes w/ wartrike enhancement? The latter seems like a waste because as you said it can't even fuckin charge
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Man, I'm so glad that icky toxic elf strategy of their t3 infantry going back into transports after shooting has gone. SURELY GW will never repeat that mistake.
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>>97923940
Based! Gonna have to kitbash some more Trukks.
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>>97923824
Yeah he's a defkilla proxy. Was hoping the crucible would let me run him as his own thing but Orks got not much out of that. Wasn't a reason to run him as a crucible character when the wartrike did the same thing he'd have done but better.
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Starts will determine it for sure. The rule is fun but just not as good I don't think. Falling back and advancing for free is a great rule as is.
Problem is speed freeks units still aren't good. All the buggies die to a stiff breeze so you're gonna be tabled by turn 3-4 regardless here. Kopta jail could get use but that's just no fun for your opponent.
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>>97923915
They are supposed to be sexy
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>>97923987
2 of the three wyches in your picture are showing literally no skin on their body. One doesn't even have their face showing. Two of them are even male. And even if they can't show any more cleavage or whatever, do you think they can't make a skintight leather body glove look provocative?
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What happens in this novel? Is Angron the MC? I was wanting to get either Kharn the World Eater and the Red Path but read that Kharn is missing in 80% of World Eater and Abbadon is the MC in Red Path.
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>>97924014
Nah, he asks the Chaos Gods to make the Cult Legions play along and hires Night Lords sometimes. Even then he can barely control Fulgrim and Angron, and Magnus and Mortarion do their own stuff when they feel like it.
He has to outright beg Iron Warriors and Word Bearers for help, which is bad for him since they're the two strongest Legions post-Heresy and often just do whatever the fuck they want.
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Stacking dead yiffs
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>>97923904
It also results in making the act of fighting horde armies a fucking slog because most armies are modeled around killing marine statlines, AKA lots of anti-tank weapons and things like plasma, so when you encounter a horde army it just becomes a "well shit i don't have enough shots to deal with them, better just try and slow them down and keep them from getting board control via positioning and nothing else, I have no hope of thinning them out while also doing that" but if two horde armies fight each other they'll BOTH have that same issue and it'll just be a MASSIVE slog
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>>97924035
>hires Night Lords
What even do Night Lords do at this point? Are they essentially just pirates and mercenaries?
>He has to outright beg Iron Warriors and Word Bearers for help, which is bad for him since they're the two strongest Legions post-Heresy
I call bullshit on that.
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This project is turning out so fun I think I'm just a chaos knight guy now
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>>97924095
I got almost one of each 2E unit. Just missing a squad of lootas and a squad of kommados. I've only painted these so far though
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>>97924074
>What even do Night Lords do at this point? Are they essentially just pirates and mercenaries?
Yes.
>>97924074
>I call bullshit on that.
Word Bearers got out of the Heresy with their only major problem being Calth, which they still sorta won on a strategic level. Even now they still operate as an almost entirely full Legion with cohesive leadership even without Lorgar. WB Dark Apostles are essentially Chaos Lords in. Their own right, and can command hundreds of CSM as effective fighting forces. In the old Word Bearers trilogy Abaddon REQUESTS, not demands, their help, and they mostly agree just because their goals (destroying Imperials) align.
Iron Warriors have still been active as well with their own machinations and have been growing their own arsenals as well, and Abaddon has to ask for their help even if it pains him to do so.
Both of them can tell Abaddon to fuck off if they feel like it, since even if it's the 'biggest', Black Legion barely runs properly without Abaddon cracking the whip constantly.
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>>97923771
Forced to become something bordering on non-human to fight an endless war in a thankless job where a battlefield will be your grave. And you have no say in this as a prisoner.
Either you fight in the Emperor's service or die. Either way, only death awaits you.
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>>97924074
LEGIONS BY POWER
>Black Legion after destroying the True Sons
>Word Bearers if Lorgar is present
>Iron Warriors
>Word Bearers with Lorgar hiding in his closet from Corax, dark warp spirit avenger of the emperor
Gap
>Death Guard
>Thousand Sons
Gap
>Emperor's Children
Gap
>World Eaters
Power Gap
>Night Lords
Unknown Allegiance/strength
>Alpha Legion
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>>97924072
This is just awful, just trash the models anon.
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So I am new to 40k, and I recently found a really good deal on new Broadsides. How dumb of me was it to buy 5 Broadside Battlesuits and 2 Ghostkeels? I obviously really like suits.
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>>97924118
The Black Legion is much like many modern “nations” in that it’s a disgusting mongrel horde filled with dysgenic mutants that can only be forced into some vague semblance of action by tyranny. There’s no shared ethnos, history, blood, or faith to bind anyone together.
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>>97924132
Actually it's great you came by, would you prefer a standard bearer or a champion to be standing on your yiffs? Also considering making a crying, wounded yiff crawling away from the pile in fear, what do you think? Too much?
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>>97924031
Angron is not the main character. Its about the dude who currently runs the conquerer, a heresy era berserker that murder rampage hulks out, an renegade space marine that wants to join up and get the nails, a grey knights, and angron is more of a force of nature
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>>97924170
>Called the Red Angel
>Is barely in it
How did this shit get a special cover?
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>>97924184
NTA but you're the one that should seek help for taking your plastic soldier faction so seriously lmao
>>97924153
>Also considering making a crying, wounded yiff crawling away from the pile in fear
great idea
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>>97923957
Koptajail is probably more fun than wolf jail but I get what you're saying. Fly probably needs reworked. Deffkoptas have been real fun for me lately. The dragstas too. That 3+ sniper rifle on them catches people off guard
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>>97924185
>Market book about Primarch in the 40k setting and not Horus Heresy era
>Are barely in it
I'm currently reading Apostle and it's constantly swapping from:
>Word Bearer MC
>Wrack who is the first chick he converted
>The priest who rules the world
>The Palatine of the Order of the Thorn
Does it do the exact same here or is it completely different.
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>>97924196
And while many of those got merkit'ed and dont have any skin in the game, many are defectors from other astartes groups who want Total Imperium Death and have gone over to the black legion specifically because abaddon is one of the only ones not sitting and seething on their demon world and actually fighting the long war, it's whole gimmick is being the long war enjoyers.
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Anyone ever noticed that the people who play a fully painted army tend to be far more pleasant than someone with greytide / primed / basecoated army? Whatever the circumstances that has resulted in the latter not having their army painted, they tend to just be shittier people
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>>97924153
If you have time, I think a triumphant champion with a standard bearer climbing up just behind him would be ideal. If it's old orks you're doing, this sculpt would be killer if you have it handy.
Oh image limit. The badmoon one with his foot on a helmet, you know the one.
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WE are split into thousands of warbands with little to no central organization. Even if they all team up when Angron appears, they cant' muster without him while the top power level legions have more guys and have intact command and supply structures while World Eaters have to figure out where their forge world is since it is literally a moving daemon world that phases in and out of reality.
Being red and screaming and fighting real hard cannot make up for lack of organization and munitions.
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>>97924191
The Eldar are in a conflict they need to win. A prophecy says they will prevail if they do the thing. At the end of the book they do the thing. They don't win the fight but they barely survive to fight another day. They do not learn anything from this event.
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>>97924220
Retard
>>97924232
It’s because they already doubt themselves and their ability to paint which is a literal tard skill of simple physical labour so you already know this person is a total pessimistic and debbie downer freak. Greyfolk are literal subsies.
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>>97924237
Mike Brooks couldn't write a Vect book for the same reason he couldn't write a Craftworld book: he cannot bring himself to write a book about an oppressive society's elite being in the right and the heroes of the story.
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oh you're SEETHING seething lmao
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>>97924223
Do you not remember one edition ago, where the whole Brazen Drakes chapter joined offscreen between books and then nothing changed about them? It’s just whoever shows up, and even a failure from a real Legion like Morne can show up and btfo them instantly.
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