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/rcg/ - /tpg/ - Roller Coaster General | Theme Park General 05/24/26(Sun)12:03:52 No. 2883952
/rcg/ - /tpg/ - Roller Coaster General | Theme Park General 05/24/26(Sun)12:03:52 No. 2883952
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Disney shrubbery status? Any Disney restroom remodeling going on? What about Disney gift shops - any of them getting new paint or flooring? Disney restaurants: anyone have the details on new signage anywhere? I sure do hate how the Walt Disney Corporation runs the parks, but I would never ever ever ever ever stop giving them money
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>>2883985
I stopped giving them money for a few years. Went back reluctantly but I enjoyed it. It’s ridiculously expensive but it’s a pretty unique plans entertaining place. The micro obsession with changing bathrooms and trash cans is a bit weird but Cedar Point recently had a ribbon cutting ceremony for a remodeled bathroom so it’s not just them.
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How would you go on about making a Blood Meridian themed attraction at a wild west theme park?
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For me it's queueing completely out in the open in texas sun for an hour. None of that fancy "tree cover" or "roofs" that like spoilt Disney types get. Electrical substation? That's all the themeing you need!
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>>2884042
The resort parks also follow the trend where an area is poorly designed for the intense heat and sun with lack of shade or cooling mechanisms
See: Super Mario Land at Universal and Toy Story Land at Disney
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Just stumbled upon Millennium Force's original promo video after all these years, holy shit talk about kino. Has there ever been a better marketing campaign for a coaster? Even the slogan was perfect
https://youtu.be/g8CaGvNurx4
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>>2884097
I love shitty 90s CGI and techno and the obsession with the new millennium from this era. I was 7 at the time so core memories for me. Where was this promo even used?
I’ll remember reading a review of it from 2000. I’ll post it later. It’s funny how tame many people think it is today but it was obviously the best coaster in the world by a country mile at the time.
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>>2884097
>Has there ever been a better marketing campaign for a coaster?
I can't remember a major marketing campaign for a coaster since then. TTD, Maverick, and SV didn't get the same treatment.
>>2884107
>Where was this promo even used?
No idea. I remember watching it on their website in probably 144p. Too long to run as a commercial
>I’ll remember reading a review of it from 2000. I’ll post it later.
Please do, it's interesting to read reviews of rides and parks from 20+ years ago
>It’s funny how tame many people think it is today but it was obviously the best coaster in the world by a country mile at the time.
It still is imo and I don't even like Cedar Point
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>>2884124
The literal best? Why? Even if traditional gigas are your thing, Fury crushes it in every way other than having a trim. That’s pretty much all I can give MF right now - long with no braking. But even that is because it doesn’t do much of anything it needs to slow down for.
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It is only a matter of time before THC products begin being sold in parks. My guess is Six Flags starts the trend. 1/3rd of the people entering the parks are doing some form of gummy or vape product at this point and CEOs hate untapped forms of revenue.
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>>2883985
Spent 11 hours at EPCOT this week and the average guest has NO IDEA how much horticulture has changed since late April. The west side planters near Imagination were quietly reworked again — they removed at least 3 mature scheffleras and replaced the ground cover with lower-maintenance bromeliads that clash horribly with the original 1982 sightline philosophy. It’s over.
Also noticed fresh mulch patterns around the UK pavilion lagoon path and they’re clearly transitioning away from the denser Victorian-style layering they had pre-COVID. The new spacing between shrubs is wider, probably for easier overnight maintenance vehicle access. You can literally SEE backstage operational compromises bleeding into guest areas now.
Meanwhile Magic Kingdom added new ornamental grasses near the Tomorrowland bridge and they already look sunburned because whoever approved the irrigation timing does not understand Central Florida heat retention. The old purple fountain grass setup looked objectively better at night under the area lighting.
People think Disney decline is about rides. No. It starts with shrubbery decisions made by accountants.
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>>2884176
>You can literally SEE backstage operational compromises bleeding into guest areas now.
Grim. They're literally not even hiding it anymore.
Thanks for the report, anon. After I renew my AP and get some exclusive merch with it, I swear this company won't get another dollar from me (except for eating and shopping at Disney Springs).
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>>2884202
The city near me has a 'vape shop' on every single corner
Apparently people spend $1K a week on gas station heroin. none of these shops are owned by an American either
They put the THC-whatever drinks next to the energy drinks and fireball has a brand name one. Might as well cash in if you own a park
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>>2884204
America's numerous social problems have produced heavy demand for mind-numbing drugs. Our government wont do anything to fix income inequality, atomization, healthcare access and yadda yadda but will absolutely crack the fuck down on a plant that makes you feel better about it.
Anyways, back to theme parks. I think THC products are inevitable, especially as rates of alcohol use continue to plummet. It will start with the regional parks who will see financial success with becoming weed friendly. Then Universal will dip their toes into it. In your lifetime you will see a Donald Duck themed THC seltzer sold at EPCOT.
I also think some sort of Polymarket or Fan Duel type system will be implemented in theme parks somehow. Like a bar themed around it at City Walk or Disney Springs. Companies do not have moral objections to making money beyond a certain threshold.
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>>2884214
>Me, absolutely obliterated by a 20mg limited edition Clayton from Tarzan Elderberry Indica, attempting to explain to a confused British tourist that EPCOT’s hydroponic future was economically defeated by a giant free nuclear reactor in the sky.
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>>2884210
>Our government wont do anything to fix income inequality
Fucking this. I can’t stand when I’m talking to someone and I realize they make a different amount of money to me. It just makes me scream inside. It’s the worst feeling in the world.
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I am against making fun of Disney adults however overcrowding the Bluey (a show for toddlers) event simply because it’s in a Disney park is too far. Grow up and seek help. If the excuse is you’re “neurodivergent” I’d like to slap you in the face
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>>2884107
It's definitely been outclassed as far as gigas go, but it's still a great ride, easy top 15 for me (although granted I don't have a lot of credits to my name as of yet). Don't think I've ever ridden a coaster that maintains its speed throughout its layout as well as MF does, you haul ass throughout the entirety of the journey.
I also don't get why people say there's no airtime, I always get decent floater on the two camelbacks headed on and off the island, no matter where I sit
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>>2884241
> Don't think I've ever ridden a coaster that maintains its speed throughout its layout as well as MF does, you haul ass throughout the entirety of the journey.
Have great respect for MF, and it’s one of the best in the world IMO, but wait until you ride Iron Gwazi
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>>2884241
I have it 28 out of almost 300. I had it #3 until recently when I rode it again and realized it was overrating it (it was my 105th or so credit, so lots of rides since then). I’d still put it #1 for maintaining speed. Love the lack of brakes. I can’t agree on the airtime. It’s okay but hypers/gigas from that era clearly hadn’t figured out the optimum camelback dimensions yet. The newer B&Ms will have you out of your seat the entire hill.
>>2884252
Difference is Gwazi is only 47 seconds. Millennium is 110 IIRC. The only rides I know of that can compete with that are Voyage and Steel Vengeance and only when running trimless.
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>>2884221
>Why did you say that?
Because I wanted to
>I’m not even sure I’d put MF over Pantherian.
Pantherian is a failcoaster. They're going to remove that piece of shit when they pay off the loans. Ambitious but turned out to be a big L for KD
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>>2884255
>It’s okay but hypers/gigas from that era clearly hadn’t figured out the optimum camelback dimensions yet.
They were figuring out what a giga coaster should be. Making Magnum but 100 feet taller wasn't going to cut it. The designers had to make MF different, but there wasn't anything to pattern it on.
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Threadly list of Disney/Universal announcements and dates for your convenience:
Florida:
>WDW Cheaper "After 2 PM" tix this summer
>Monsters Inc. at Studios opens 2027?
>'Tropical Americas' replaces dinos 2027
>Bluey and Australian animal petting zoo open at Animal Kingdom
>Front Tire Land circa 2028
>Liberty Belle Steamship intact as of late May 2026 https://wdwnt.com/2026/05/fourth-magic-kingdom-ferryboat-now-under-con struction-at-disney-world
>Walt Disney robot coming to Carousel of Progress
>Jessie's Roundup show at the Diamond Horseshoe
>Rock N' Rollercoaster Muppets OPEN NOW
>Volcano Bay closed Oct 26, 2026 thru Mar 24, 2027
>Lost Continent demolition underway
>Replacement for Poseidon's Fury to be built by Intamin
>Jurassic Park River Adventure closed thru Nov 19 2026
>Pteranodon Flyers open as of May 24?
>F&F coaster replaces RRR early 2027?
>Level 99 at Disney Springs this summer
California:
>AI security cameras everywhere!
>Fast and Furious coaster still set for "Summer 2026"
>Mike & Sully closes 2027, becoming Avatar ride?
>Allegdly no more manual free spinning Roger Rabbit Car Toon Spin
>"Man Eating Piranha" scene removed from Jungle Cruise?
Both:
>Soarin' Over 'Murica OPEN NOW
>Millenium Falcon: Mandalorian Edition open NOW
Europe:
>Lion King Splash Mountain water ride at Paris Studio park, late 2027 at the earliest
>New scenes in Rivers of the Far West in 2026
>Universal UK set for 2031
>Disney-Adjacent Bluey Roller Coaster at Alton Towers OPEN NOW
Asia:
>Multi-launch Spider-man coaster at Shanghai DL
>Spider-Man Drop Tower at Hong Kong DL, Doc Ock
>Wreck-It-Ralph omnirover shooter replaces Buzz Lightyear in Tokyo by April 2027
>Tokyo Disneyland Space Mountain currently closed until 2027 for ground-up rebuild (façade complete now!)
>Tokyo maybe razing Adventureland 2026 or later?
>DisneySea Aquatopia closing 5ever Sept 14
Did I miss anything?
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>>2884294
>Did I miss anything?
Why don't you give updates to parks OTHER than Disney?
This is /tpg/ + /rcg/, you only post updates on a handful of children's parks. Never any Universal news, nor Six Flags, no indies, no European or Asian parks ever get included. Step up your game.
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>>2884294
Not a lot of announcements since the last thread. But, a lot of things that have been on the ticker for quite a while have finally happened like the new Soarin' video. I don't think we'll have any real ride news until D23.
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Went to Fuji-Q Highlands at the beginning of the year. Sadly the rides did not live up to the hype for me. Zokkon was pretty fun though.
Universal's Flying Dinosaur and Hakugei are the top 2 rollercoasters I've ridden in Japan, those were great.
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>>2884171
Seems like an amazing idea for companies that want people buying more shit or more food.
But awful for companies that really need people following the rules and staying out of No Go zones.
Really high people will not mind standing in some shitty line for an hour and a half but they also will not think twice about wandering into some shitty or dangerous area, and will not follow instructions like make sure a seat belt is fastened. Or make sure nothing is on your head before a coaster takes off.
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>>2884206
Is it really that surprising? It's a show watched by working class normies who think they are experts in the field of buying normal everyday grocery store crap like bleach and paper towels. Cedar Point or Carrowinds is exactly their kind of vacation.
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>>2884239
Isn't that pretty much the actual definition of Disney Adult that enrages everyone?
Not the fat weirdo in a Goofy shirt, but the weird adult that is totally hijacking some attraction that is clearly made only for kids and now some kids are not getting a fun little thing because awkward autistic 40 something is taking up the space instead.
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>>2884315
The problem is there is no agreed upon definition of Disney Adult and what it is. It is as expansive or select, as negative or positive as the person wants it
It has be said to be anything from "kicks kid out of the way injuring them to meet Bluey first" to "makes their entire life about Disney and will not shut up about it and spend tens of thousands of dollars" to "really into Disney but never discusses it publicly" to "been to the theme park before not being a kid" to "really into 1/2 of their IPs but nothing else" to "watched any of their content" to "having any interest that is not wage slaving for billionaires".
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>>2884318
There is not because people just want to complain about shit and/or make fun of dumb people. So to anyone on twitter, any person wearing a mickey shirt is a cringe "Disney Adult" no matter what their life is like or what they are into.
>To boomers they are millennials over 25 that are still into kid shit so the boomers have to assume they are some kind of rapist faggot drug addict psycho. Because in their world, no one over 18 should be into anything but football, drinking, and poker, anything else is for brain addled fruits on heroine. This is just more boomer projection/complaining since that it 99% of all they do.
>To people in the parks they are the theme park version of that scalper faggot that will take every single pack of pokemon cards out of kids' hands because they want everything to themselves are are weird fucks about it. These guys are the actual group that causes problems for others that make the complaints later on.
>To people on twitter they are the cringe freaks that tend to be disgusting 300lb 40 somethings that film videos of themselves acting like screaming dancing 10 year olds in the Magic Kingdom parking lot. They are really just pathetic streamers and wannabe influencers thinking they are making the next tiktok hit
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>>2884294
Im gonna do Orlando parks Easter next year. Realistically is any of the new stuff gonna be open?
F&F Coaster should be Id think if they dont have similar testing issues theyre having at Hollywood. Will Indiana Jones at AK be done by then?
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>>2884303
Not enough space. What's looking increasingly likely to be Gate 3 gets the benefit of sharing ulitities and backroom stuff with the other two parks.
It's going to be a really claustrophobic park though, the hotels really mess up the layout. The parking is chaotic enough as it is, fuck knows how they'll manage when the parking is even more awkward and there's the guest number boost.
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>>2884314
>But awful for companies that really need people following the rules
They already allow alcohol, though. Alcohol lowers your inhibitions while THC just mellows you out. I've never heard of a person getting high and starting a fist fight, but that happens all the time with booze.
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>>2884449
Different type of stupid. Again, they already allow alcohol and have security in place to deal with the retards in society that cannot handle their booze. THC isn't nearly as problematic as booze. THC doesnt cause aggression in some people like alcohol does.
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>>2884417
So does every single Florida Disney park have a large section closed off and being rebuilt right now? Seems like every one of them have 20% of the park walled off for construction to be completed in 27-28.
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>>2884460
I've had guys try to tell me weed is healthy, and makes you healther the more of it you smoke.
They are willing to make up and say anything in the world before ever admitting they smoke shit jut to get high or admit addiction.
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>>2884485
Yes. The Theme Park wars have reignited with Epic Universe. Every single park has projects in development and projects beyond that havent been announced yet.
Universal has the Fast and Furious coaster, Supercharged replacement, Simpsons replacement, Lost Continent replacement and Paris expansion to counter. Should be an interesting decade. We might even see a new park announced.
>>2884487
Drinking THC is not the same thing as smoking it. Smoking is bad for your lungs regardless of what you light on fire. Drinking or eating THC bypasses that. I wouldn't say it's "healthy" but it's not nearly as bad for you as alcohol is, but alcohol is normalized in American culture so people assume THC is worse for you.
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>>2884489
>Smoking is bad for your lungs regardless of what you light on fire.
This.
Idiots don't realize that particulate matter generally is the main driver of lung cancer in smokers. Some specific inhaled chemicals don't help, but the main killer is just tiny, solid, particles.
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>>2884485
Pretty much everything but Epcot.
Magic Kingdom has the Cars Land and Villains Land projects
Animal Kingdom has South America land and Rafiki's planet watch
Hollywood Studios has Monsters Inc land and Animation Courtyard
There is also the rides being overhauled like Muppets, Soarin, Big Thunder Mountain, Carousel of Progress,
The main reason is that Disney could not get building permits approved by the state during the time DeSantis was having his little tirade against them so this is all the building projects and repairs of 2019-2024 all crammed together.
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>>2884498
>Actually trying to stop bloated corporations from becoming an illegally unelected government and trying to return power to the voters is evil tyranny!!!!
Libtards believe in the stupidest shit ever. But hey you get to wear Mouse ears in your corporate company town that enslaves you! Just $29.95!
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>>2884526
With how things are going in the Land and Imagination pavilions that might not be a terrible thing. Guardians is at least a really fun ride. No one really gives a shit about the Living with the Land boat ride or the Figment ride. They just like the dragon mascot as a plushie. I'm kind of surprised Figment is still there and not replaced by Inside Out characters by now.
A nicer dark ride that takes you to more interesting places than a fake plastic hydroponics greenhouse would be a better idea for Land. Maybe something that covers the stages of plant life, different world climate zones and the plants that grow there or farming in history. Anything but floating through a fake bell peppers and tomatoes farm.
I do miss the old science museum stuff. Science museums are fun, too bad Disney does not care to have their own higher quality version of one in their parks. But kids playing on giant plastic body parts and playing with sound does not keep them moving and buying things. so it has to go.
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>>2884526
They blatantly don’t like it for how constricting a theme it is, but I don’t think every single one of the pavilions will turn into a entirely unrelated to theming IP ride like Guardians
>WOL - Will be replaced with an IP ride
>The Seas - Already an IP ride but the aquarium is the actual appeal. Might replace with another IP at some point but can’t see the Seas theme changing
>The Land - Soarin is a draw and LWTL fills out the rest with a cult following ride. Maxes out the pavilion and it is crowded so no need to change.
>Spaceship Earth - Too central as the flagship attraction to base on one singular IP
>Imagination - This one would have been replaced years ago if their biggest merchandise seller did not depend on it existing. If they evict Figment his sales will die and everyone up to shareholders will freak even harder than then did in 1999. It likely will become an IP pavilion in that Figment is turned into an IP itself with a film or show. Further extent is you get a ride with Figment and Inside Out
>Mission Space - Will be replaced with an IP ride eventually
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>>2884318
It’s a pejorative, like Karen. It’s not supposed to have any set definition (other than the person must like Disney parks) because there’s no set group of people to be insulted.
Poseidon doesn’t identify as a Disney adult despite being a childless 30-something who spends all his time going to Disney World, yet he makes many videos about Disney adults who are even more obsessed than he is.
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>>2884344
If Nikita Khruschev is allowed to like Disney then so am I.
>And I say, ‘I would very much like to go and see Disneyland.’ But then, we cannot guarantee your security, they say. Then what must I do? Commit suicide? …
>“We have come to this town where lives the cream of American art. And just imagine, I a premier, a Soviet representative, when I came here to this city, I was given a plan — a program of what I was to be shown and whom I was to meet here. But just now I was told that I could not go to Disneyland. I asked: ‘Why not?’ What is it, do you have rocket-launching pads there?’ I do not know.
>And just listen — just listen to what I was told — to what reason I was told. We, which means the American authorities, cannot guarantee your security if you go there. What is it? Is there an epidemic of cholera there or something? Or have gangsters taken over the place that can destroy me? Then what must I do? Commit suicide? This is the situation I am in — your guest. For me the situation is inconceivable. I cannot find words to explain this to my people.
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>>2884533
I remember an Epcot exhibit when I was a kid where there was a video or simulator ride of being inside a 13 year old boy’s brain as he went about his day. There was also a video of a bunch of sperm racing towards an egg.
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>>2884554
Wonders of Life?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYLuxIvE1OY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkCrGvcwU_M
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>>2884567
good! its been exploited far too long. watch the queue get more manageable now.
express/lightninglane/priority is crap and a waste of money. Tired of psychotics going on about ghost hotel rooms at Hard Rock/Portofino just to get blanket express pass at the fraction of the price. adds urgency to rush around a park trying to do everything just to get value for your money
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>>2884567
Thank fucking God. Dumbest decision ever. You need Pokemon and the Toon Lagoon replacement to both be up and crowd-eating before you even consider putting Hagrid on express.
>>2884574
Cause the Premier passholders were using their free 4pm express on it multiple nights of the week like the autists they are.
>>2884575
Whatever governor runs on banning fast passes from theme parks will have my vote. You are paying money for the CHANCE of waiting in a shorter line. So many times the express line is longer than the stand by line. I dont know how it's legal.
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Reddit is fucking seething over Hagrid being made express ineligible. Proves my theory that the only people with souls on the internet post here and everyone else is an endocrine-damaged troglodyte goysumer.
>NOOO YOU HAVE TO LET ME SPEND $200 EXTRA WAIT IN AN HOUR LONG LINE THAT WOULDNT EXIST IF THIS SYSTEM WAS NEVER INVENTED IN THE FIRST PLACE NOOOOOOOOO
Their anguish brings me joy.
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>>2884584
EPA is great though. All the hotel guests and passholders zerg rush Hagrid's and free up the rest of the park for everyone else. If you go clockwise starting from Marvel at 9:00 you can finish the entire park just in time for the morning Hagrid rush to be over and enjoy a normal Hagrid wait time around 11am. Entire park done before noon, if not earlier.
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>>2884176
Daily reminder that the average EPCOT guest could walk past a catastrophic thematic horticulture regression and still clap because “muh Guardians coaster.”
Update: Spent another 9 hours doing a full solo vegetation audit this weekend and it’s genuinely worse than people realize. The Morocco pavilion is now using visibly cheaper rotational flowering stock in at least two backstage-adjacent beds and nobody is talking about it because everyone’s dopamine-blasted by popcorn buckets.
Also confirmed they’ve started over-pruning around Future World sightlines again. You used to have layered visual transitions between hardscape and canopy that subtly guided crowd flow while preserving thematic immersion. Now it’s just “place shrub here lol.” The spatial storytelling is collapsing in real time.
And don’t even get me started on the Living with the Land queue planters. Half the foliage balance is off because they keep mixing tropical broadleaf species with drought-tolerant filler plants that belong outside a dentist office in Kissimmee. It feels spiritually bankrupt.
Meanwhile Disney adults on TikTok are crying over ride overlays while I’m standing there staring at improperly spaced crotons thinking “this company once cared about berm depth.”
The decline was never going to announce itself with one bad ride. Civilizations decay through mulch budgets and irrigation shortcuts.
Walt didn’t die for this.
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Universal
>F&F Drift coaster
>brand new island in place of Lost Continent
>Supercharged replacement
>broomstick ride in Wizarding Paris
>Creature from Black Lagoon ride
Disney
>removed rivers of America for Cars land rapids ride
>villains land with ANOTHER magic carpet ride
>retheme muppets area to monsters inc with a vekoma family invert
>retheme dinosaur to Indiana jones
>encanto ride (remember that film during lockdown lol?)
There’s a very clear winner here. Disney need some better imagineers pronto
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>>2884684
Most likely Pokémon, but Zelda was also rumored. Alecia Stella strongly believes it's Pokémon and she has a track record of having some sort of insider access. The permits say the ride will be done by Intamin, and most people are guessing it will be the Dome Ride Theater being built inside of the PF show building. USJ is replacing their spiderman ride with Pokemon so it's entirely possible it's the Multi Dimension Mover trackless. We'll find out if they start demolishing Poseidon's Temple cause only a screen ride could fit inside it.
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>>2884734
I truly believe that USF and IOA should be one park. Both are just a little too small to stand alone imo. I understand why they're marketed as two though, it's a lot more profitable. But every time I've been I'm able to hit everything I want in <5 hours.
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Universal’s problem is it doesn’t have an identity besides being the trash in of random IPs plopped together
Even Disney has the historical attractions without Ip to tie it in together, and the rest is IP they are known to own outside which is now just Tower of Terror. Universal does not even own most of their IPs used. It is solely propped up by Harry Potter and Nintendo licenses which might not last forever. Losing lands like Lost Continent are more detrimental then they appear because it has no identity it can build on its own or reason to visit if these company’s agreements end
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>>2884583
Yeah I’m pissed. My time is more valuable. I’m if I’m spending 10k to visit the parks for 5 days, I expect to do and ride everything in said parks in fairly timely manner. Wasting all my time in a line wasn’t on the agenda. Maximum fun, repeat rides was. Express is an expensive option. So are the hotels that Comp express passes. I get why “normies” get mad and complain about long waits. I was one of you at one time. But, you have the same opportunity to have Express as I do. This is a pay to play world. This will only balloon the overall wait times. Paying $100 is better than a 100 plus mins in line.
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The only thing that annoys me is that we already bought express passes for our trip later this year and Hagrids was part of the reason why. It's okay, we'll make good use of them anyway, and it'll definitely be better for the guests overall to not have Express as part of Hagrids.
Really, when you think about how much lower all the lines would be if Express didn't exist at all, I wish the system would just go away entirely. I realize it's a lot of money to give up though.
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>>2884767
Are there any major parks that don't have a line skipping mechanism now? IIRC the Herschend parks don't but I haven't checked recently.
I'm never going to pay for it, instead I just visit on weekdays when the crowds won't be bad. A compromise might be only having fastpass available Fri Sat Sun + major holidays.
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>>2884772
Dollywood has one but it doesn't seem like many people are using it when I'm there, though I only go on less busy days. The way Dollywood's works is you buy the pass and you get a certain number of entries into the fast lane. The number you get corresponds to the number of e-ticket rides, but you can use all your skips on the same ride if you want.
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>>2884762
Lol get fucked gaywad. If I ever find you in the park complaining to customer service that you should be able to pay to skip the normal line, I'm going to put you in a headlock, unbuckle your pants, and brutally rape you in front of a screaming crowd of guests. That's what express buyers deserve.
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>>2884815
Controlled and precise spin on a rollercoaster is a pretty bold endeavor. Not surprised they're having issues with it. Isnt X2's rotation done by a unique bar on the track that physically moves the rotating mechanism? Doing that in software with repeatable accuracy is presumably a total nightmare.
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>>2884819
>Doing that in software with repeatable accuracy is presumably a total nightmare.
I find this a bit hard to believe, they probably do significantly harder things for defense companies or NASA/SpaceX/etc for one reason or another
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>>2884819
When it’s just one out of the 4 cars having the issue I’d say there is a simple fix (rewire) but that’ll be costly so they’re hoping to fix it easier. Intamin will have a deadline for handover and a contract with contracharges if it’s delayed so I’d doubt it is delayed at all. Just usual universal not announcing anything
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>>2884827
Yes. People don't seem to grasp that express is what creates the problem with lines. You have 1 loading platform and two separate lines converging into it zipper-style. One then the other. The existence of the express line immediately slows the standby line by 50%. Every line would immediately be halved, but we have faggots like these niggers >>2884829 >>2884811 >>2884762
who perpetuate this hebrew scheme.
These companies are getting away with murder cause it makes redditors feel like "ballers" to wait in a 30 minute line when the standby queue is 1 hour, when the line would be 30 minutes for everyone if the system didn't exist in the first place.
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>>2884828
Maybe they changed it. It used to be that if there were eight big coasters, you had eight skips, and you could use them on whatever coasters you wanted. Or maybe that's just one tier. I don't know, like I said, I only go when you don't need it.
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>>2884835
No, that's not how it works. You can literally see the exact moment express was added and the wait time doubled. There's only one loading platform.
>>2884836
Retard alert. On airlines you get material perks for the premium price. You get closer seating to the door, more legroom, exclusive dining options, etc. Express is the SAME FUCKING RIDE.
>>2884837
>you got jewed in the past so it's cool to continue getting jewed in the future.
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>>2884747
I think their main problem is that they are focused on being the Theme Park that is wrapped around movie IPs. where every ride or section is a major IP of some type and you immerse yourself in that world.
Meanwhile Universal really does not own that many IPs to make a park designed like that worthwhile. This used to be especially true when it came to kids/cartoon properties. Since they had to theme a section of a park after decades old comic strips that at this point kids know nothing about at all. Half of their attractions are based around IPs that belong to someone else. Disney owns all things Marvel and Simpsons, Warner owns Harry Potter, they don't own Nintendo either.
They probably should have done more with Dreamworks than shove it all into the kiddy corner in the main park. Shrek and Kungfu Panda could easily support their own sections like How to Train Your Dragon.
I think Disney deciding in the 00s that all their attractions should become IP based has caused the Unique concept of Universal to not be so unique any longer. Now it's just expected that all rides and attractions in a theme park be based on an existing IP of some type.
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>>2884840
That would be true if it wasnt the huge indian and arabic families clogging up express. You're probably one of those. My guess: indian.
>>2884841
But anon...you are the fat minority.
>>2884843
I did not claim Hagrid was 30 minutes you just have the reading comprehension of a toad. Hagrid averages around 70 minutes without express. When they added express it doubled to 140. You can see the spike in the graph. Look at identical times in the calendar and you see that the wait time doubles.
>>2884847
>faggot cant read a line graph
Checks out
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>>2884806
not really, it's companies exploiting the fact that rich people will easily spend more money to get a leg up on the poors around them. And it works every time. People will now spend $30-40 to ride a single ride a little bit faster than the poor people standing in line.
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>>2884846
>This used to be especially true when it came to kids/cartoon properties. Since they had to theme a section of a park after decades old comic strips that at this point kids know nothing about at all.
They had a playground themed to An American Tail until 2023
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>>2884839
And you had to walk to the ride entrance. It used to truly be 'holding your place in line'.
At Disney World it was:
>Go to Space Mountain entrance
>Get FP
>Do Peoplemover, Buzz, and optionally Laugh Floor
>Space Mountain time is now
>Leave Tomorrowland
>Get FP for Big Thunder or Splash Mtn
>Do any fantasyland dark rides you want, and/or the other Mountain, or even chill on Tom Sawyer Island for a bit
>Do your thrill ride
>Head to Adventureland
>Idk, did Pirates or Jungle Cruise have FP? If so, get one. Do Tiki Room and the other boat ride.
>Sip a Dole Whip
>Do the FP boat ride.
>You've conquered MK before 2:00 PM.
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>>2884853
You aren't refuting my central point which is that the problem (extended waits) wouldnt exist in the first place without the express line blowing the standby line up. They create a fake problem then sell you the solution as a $200 upcharge. Really scummy business practice.
>>2884854
I have the $700/yr pass and have had it for over half a decade. I've argued with you on this point before and you for some reason really love getting raped in the ass financially. Like a masochistic findom fetish. Also you didn't deny being Indian.
>>2884857
It is how doubling works. The line went from 70 to 70x2. Average, of course. Every day has a certain number of people so the number is never exact, but 200+ on hagrids became normal with express.
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>>2884863
>i've been to the park a lot so i dont need to ride all the rides because they're not new to me
dumb nigger, the express pass is financially the smart move
also i'm white. you didn't deny being a filthy spic though
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>>2884863
>You aren't refuting my central point which is that the problem (extended waits) wouldnt exist in the first place without the express line blowing the standby line up. They create a fake problem then sell you the solution as a $200 upcharge. Really scummy business practice.
85 IQ tier. Waits are determined entirely by demand, express lanes do not change throughput, only the mixture of what people (humans vs plebs) get through
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>>2884867
You are, at best, (((white))) with how vehemently you defend financial rape as normal and good. A second shoah is coming for people like you and this time we're going to get ALL of you.
>>2884869
Dumbass. Throughput doesn't matter and isn't displayed on the front of the attraction. The posted wait is determined by the standby wait. They dont post the express wait (because it's a scam). Two lines feed one ride loading platform. If ANYONE is in express, the standby line, which is the only one posted, instantly slows to half speed while they load. It's why there's always a huge drop in wait times once the express goyim burn up all their uses. That's the normal line. I'd clock your IQ being somewhere around sub-Saharan Africa
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>>2884872
you fucking retard, the wait went up because most people won't waste more than 90 minutes queueing alongside you subhumans, express got added and people started riding it without having to subjugate themselves to something you've been demoralized into thinking is normal
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>>2884825
The back car also occasionally struggles on some elements. Being a multi-launch the front and back cars both experience the strongest forces so it could be either sensors getting confused or something mechanical/electrical not liking it.
GotG is pretty low on forces (going near 0g more than high gs) so it had less problems.
The Uncharted coaster also has/had issues with the spinning bugging out (you can end up doing most of the coaster sideways)
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>>2884874
Express on hagrid's got so long that the express line itself was 70 minutes. You do not live in reality and you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
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>>2884875
I'm a single rider Chad and exist beyond the boundary of space and time. I knock out Islands in less than an hour. I walk directly onto everything bypassing both the plebs and the goyim. You pay $200 a visit for a mere SNIFF of the existence I live.
>>2884876
>has to cope imagining me as a thirdworld subhuman to justify being a paypig moneycuck to Comcast
Sad.
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>>2884880
It's exclusively the big south American families I see walking around with the express lanyards. Or people who are obviously visiting from like the UK. My lived experience conflicts with your imagined reality.
>>2884881
I only waitcuck if I am at the park with friends or family and I have a personal calendar of the offseason times to go which I've shared in this general before. I'm not a spic but if it helps you to cope over giving the jews at comcast money for absolutely nothing, be my guest.
>>2884882
A true true knower categorizes the rides based on whether or not there's any tangible reason to sit next to the other members of your party. Some rides you cant even see the people next to you (FJ) and thus can be single-ridered with no reduction in the experience.
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>>2884846
I'm surprised Universal never tried to take advantage of the 80s flashback nonsense by making an 80s section with Back to the Future and Ghostbusters again. Those early 90s rides were dated and uninteresting to audiences by the 00s, but some kind of new attraction, maybe place it near ET and have an 80s section would work. Maybe add in some other things Universal owns like A-Team and Knight Rider.
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>>2884855
That is also sort of the problem, Universal had a decent kids entertainment catalog until the early 90s or so. American Tail, Land Before Time, Ghostbusters cartoons, they sort of let all of that die by the mid 90s. And they did not have a whole lot to work with until they bought Dreamworks. Illumination is still mostly Minions and Sing. But also by the 2010s, no kids know about those properties since nothing new has been made in decades. It's not really relevant.
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>>2884858
There is no way in hell that would ever happen though. Disney employees are too damn egotistical and would want to make their OWN special new Spider-Man ride that THEY invented, like the brand new planet for their Star Wars section. I would expect a movie tie-in with actors on screens.
Also Disney is very married to portraying Spider-Man as the teenage hero in every single one of their movies and cartoons. There would not be a Daily Planet, and definitely no 90s Fox Kids Dock Ock design.
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>>2884863
Does it matter? They make more money off the same people riding the same ride. Fast Pass people are not causing fewer people to stand in line at all. They just stand there longer.
If there is a problem for the parent company, it's the fact that the people are spending more time standing in a line and not enough time in a gift shop or buying food. Which is somewhat mitigated by selling people Fast Past tickets for a ride they could get into for free already. Plus those people are in line for shorter time periods so that they can go shop or eat more often.
So the reality is that there is no problem for the parent company at all. The people with more money to spend will pay for a second set of tickets for a ride instead of wait, so they can move on to go shop/eat some more even faster than everyone else. It's just another inconvenience for people in the parks on a budget, but not something anyone is going to worry about.
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>>2884899
NBC quit bothering with cartoons around 92, then USA also quit with cartoons around 98ish. So Universal just did not care to have any kids entertainment for a long while until Illumination came along. That's why they have such a weak catalog compared to others.
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>>2884911
How is willingly giving more money to a corporation for an experience you already paid for not a form of cuckoldry? You aren't the pimp, you're the hoe.
>>2884907
Depends entirely on the day you go. If you go during peak season, yes. If you go at any other point, express is trivial and people are legitimately paying money to bypass a walk-on standby queue.
>>2884904
It matters because it's a predatory business model. The same type of shit that ruined video games with F2P and gachashit. If they're going to make the rides pay2ride, it should be married with a severe reduction in the general admission ticket since that's now the economy class, but that's not how they present it. You pay full price for a now vastly lesser experience. The *actual* price of a day at the park is now twice the regular price. Dont even get me started on what express has done to HHN.
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>>2884819
>Isnt X2's rotation done by a unique bar on the track that physically moves the rotating mechanism?
Yes, but that adds a lot of weight, parts, and time. The trains are unbelievably heavy even after SFI engineers designed their own replacement trains because the originals from Arrow were too heavy. A track-based rotation mechanism for a lateral spin wouldn't be as complicated but Intamin would have to design an entirely new track system to handle that.
>>2884830
I'm fine with line skipping schemes but not as they're currently implemented. They need to be way more expensive, like $150 per person (minimum) to skip ONE line. Parks should be finding out what people's time is really worth. If they're going to charge that much, though, the persons paying for it should literally be able to skip the line - no zipper merge, they get taken straight to the loading dock and put onboard.
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>>2884919
>They need to be way more expensive, like $150 per person (minimum) to skip ONE line. Parks should be finding out what people's time is really worth. If they're going to charge that much, though, the persons paying for it should literally be able to skip the line - no zipper merge, they get taken straight to the loading dock and put onboard.
Based.
Find the exact pricepoint where you make a billion bucks on it and the ride operators need to do literally nothing to accommodate it.
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>>2884917
It's only an inconvenience, not a real issue anyone in any authority is going to care about. nor is it going to be something that damages attendance. That is why it is considered something that largely does not matter.
It's really really incredibly hard to make legal complaints about a company playing games with an expensive luxury good/service. Most anyone will not give a shit and tell you to stop buying their product and go somewhere else. Which is pretty much the answer, stop going to Universal if their policy annoys you that much.
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>>2884919
No park in any country can begin to give a shit what your time is worth. Your issue just comes off as whining.
>>2884929 is right. It's a luxury, not comparable to a plane ticket or anything that is moderately necessary in life. It's entertainment that you are paying for the experience, or you pay a little more for a better experience.
Standing in line sucks, everyone on earth hates standing in lines, it's why DMVs are frustrating. But no one is going to hear your complaints about standing in line longer. You want to do something about it, buy a Fast Pass or quit going to theme parks.
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>>2884919
I agree but it will never happen that way. They want it to be an affordable upcharge that feels just moderately pricey (which is why bragging about it is fucking cringe) so that dads stuck in the normal line with their complaining family feel compelled to just drop the $800 on 4 passes. I agree that making it like $600 would work better. The retards that want to flex can actually flex and everyone else that isnt zogged out of their mind can enjoy normal lines.
>>2884931
>or you pay a little more for a better experience.
But the line is artificially inflated. You guys keep ignoring that aspect. The inconvenience is intentionally amplified so they can sell the solution to it. It's ridiculous and shows how beaten into submission this country is when consumers happily take it right up the ass with a smile on their face. The rides at Studios now are objectively worse than the rides they offered in the 90s, yet the park is now $200+parking when before it was $60. They just boil the frog slow enough to avoid a boycott.
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>>2884917
you're just angry because you're poor
express is basically a requirement to not get incredibly queuecucked at any time anyone wants to go
>b-bbut i live in florida and i'm an autist with no friends who wants to go in the solo rider line in the off season
nobody cares paco
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>>2884937
it's not artificially inflated, you're just an angry poor minority nigger who can't afford to not be a cuckold stuck with the other niggers in the poorfag queue
here's the mathematical reality : these passes save between 6 and 10 hours per park for most people, that easily makes them more valuable than an extra day or even two at the parks without them and cost a fraction of what i costs for the extra hotel + day passes.
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>>2884937
Selling a cheap pass is not artificially inflated. It's the actual answer you have been autistically screeching for, a means to get through the line faster. Which is 100% what the companies want, They WANT you to go through faster so you can get back to buying food and souvenirs. They don't want you standing in line for 2+ hours either, they want you buying drinks and popcorn as much as possible.
You are just too damn married to pretending to be a victim that any inconvenience MUST BE the work of some evil scheming group that demands you stand around in line longer because they are just mustache twirling evil and they hate you!!!
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>>2884949
.....you do realize you are bitching about a luxury theme park here right? Your demands of for the people and other rhetoric shit is because you want to ride pretty rides faster without having to stand in line for it.
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RMC have snuck an updated Wild Moose family design on their site.
https://rockymtnconstruction.com/family-coaster/
Seems a bit of a missed chance really, I get them not wanting to do big drops on a family coaster but they could do such interesting things with switchbacks and weirdly banked helixs rather than simply wobbly tracks and shallow dips.
They've apparenly confirmed they've two new US and one international coaster coming so we'll probably hear announcements soon
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>>2884950
I dont think you understand what I mean by "artificially inflated". There are way more people in the standby line, and express keeps those people in the lines for longer. Even by your own dumbass logic you're wrong. The standby line length is made longer by the existence of express. If you remove it, and put all of those people in standby, standby goes twice as fast.
>>2884951
>$200 is a luxury
It's not a luxury, retard. It's an idiot trap. The trap is they blow up the standby line with an extra paid line, then sell you access. I don't think you niggers understand what a luxury is.
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>>2884949
>I think the evil corporations are evil for forcing me to have to stand in line when I want to ride Guardians of the Galaxy, I should not have to stand in line for this $1Billion ride based on a movie and forcing me to stand in line for it is evil bloated corporate consumerism and it has to stop!
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>>2884954
Luxury is defined as paying for something that you do not need or require whatsoever.
And yes, a theme park is a luxury service since you have no need to ever go to one at all, it's nothing but pure entertainment.
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>>2884954
Do you understand that no one is on your side here? You are arguing with half a dozen anons telling you that your whole argument is privileged bitching over what is basically nothing and not a problem at all?
Also Luxury good/service means anything you do not require for life or health. Like themed entertainment. Nobody "needs" that but it;s wasting money for fun.
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>>2884954
No one sees it your way because everything you said is the core definition of entitled complaining over what is basically nothing. No one will care about the opinions of the angry autist that demands the world move for him when he wants to ride theme park rides.
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>>2884956
They literally removed Hagrid from express due to the complaints of people like me. It's the paypigs that are seething over not being able to skip the line, I already won.
>>2884958
No it isn't. A luxury is "something adding to pleasure or comfort but not absolutely necessary". We've already established that if you want to do all of the rides now, on peak days, express is necessary. Therefore, by your own argument, it's not a luxury. It's also cheap enough that bragging about it makes you look broke.
>>2884959
I have no issue soloing the entire general on this. Express is the worst thing that has ever happened to theme parks and you're a faggot jew if you defend it.
>not a problem at all
If it isn't a problem, then why do you feel compelled to buy the fastpasses? Kinda seems like it's a problem. A fake problem they created to sell you the solution to that you lap up like the trained little dog slave you are.
>>2884960
That is not what I said. That's your retarded interpretation of what I said.
If you take everyone that's in the express line, and merely push them into the standby line, the standby line gets more people but drops in wait time. BECAUSE, what determines wait time is pph, and your pph literally doubles when express isnt a thing. Even if you're behind all of the express people, you still get on faster. If the wait times were shorter, there would be no need for express. It's a vicious cycle they created to sell the solution.
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I already explained my general strategy for never waiting in line. I dont wait in line. You people wait in line and you pay $200 for the goyim pass to do so. I'm sure the comcast shareholders stunt a little harder than you guys, but please keep bragging about having an amount of money any minimum wage job gives you.
Fuck you all. :)
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>>2884953
>but they could do such interesting things with switchbacks and weirdly banked helixs rather than simply wobbly tracks and shallow dips.
It's made for really small kids so they're offering a very tame stock model, but a park could have it modified however they wanted it.
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>>2884973
Could not be more obvious you're projecting
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>Cedar Poor
>>2884970
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>>2884974
>cant win on the merits of their arguments so they resort to imagining me as a race that I am not
Cleared.
>>2884974
We calculated it when we had this argument like 15 threads ago. Removing express drops wait times between 30-50%. PPH doubles. In some cases it even triples depending on how favored express is in the loading procedure. Some ride ops go express, express, standby. On other rides it's 50/50.
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>>2884994
>it's the same # of passengers / minute no matter what
I'm not arguing it isn't. I'm saying it blows up the standby line and halves pph which creates a compelled purchase.
WHY ARE YOU FAGGOTS SO FUCKING RETARDED?
How did I beat 10 of you niggas? I'm not even that smart.
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>>2884993
I mean it honestly had to happen eventually, going from the 1940s to the near future is always going to be jarring
Though personally I would have just restored the 1960s finale and kept the show as a time capsule but I get why they're opting for a new timeline with it being in Tomorrowland and everything
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>>2885005
Would be fun if they add in 1970s, then 90s then 2010s. That would need a whole lot more carousel though, but the damn thing has been on life support for 50 years now.
Or just drop the 1910s since that was not a huge leap, guy just got some electronic devices now.
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>>2885016
Are you being intentionally obtuse on the internet for free?
The number of people moving through the standby line every hour is directly affected by how many people are in the express line. That’s just basic math since both lines feed into the same limited number of seats available every hour. The total riders per hour stay about the same, but the posted standby wait time goes up or down depending on express line volume. Believe it or not you actually can count the amount of people that pass through an individual line over a 1 hour period. We do have the counting technology.
>>2885018
Oh yeah let's compare the express pass to something that literally causes cancer and still pretend I'm wrong to think it's bad for theme parks.
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Going to be travelling to Florida during July-Aug for work and debating driving to some of the parks on my days off but I just know the heat and crowds are gonna be fucking miserable. That or make a trip for November, went November of last year and weather was great.
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>>2884941
>Intro: Walt animatronic introduces the history of the attraction and its overall meaning
>Act 1: 1990s/2000s. The early days of the internet and how suburb life might soon change
>Act 2: 2010s. John and Sarah discuss the progress with the internet and cell phones changing life from the 2000s and before. They even predict tv will be going out soon, as crazy as it sounds. They also note how female, minority, and lgbtq+ rights have progressed over the past 60 years and how John has improved from his prior mistakes to become a betterman
>Act 3 : 2020s. John and Sarah discuss how AI has popped up and made their work a whole lot easier, and how automation has changed their mundane task. They also talk about the benefits of their DVC membership and how they can apply after the show
>Act 4: 2040s. The beauty of the future world, which has progressed so much in 20 years. Flock cameras can track you everywhere to make sure you are not harmed, AI automated all jobs so no more working, Disney+ has endless AI creations you can make on demand. Kids are something people no longer really have, and extended families are not a thing anymore, so they can enjoy their Frozen creation on their own. John and Sarah no longer need to own anything or deal with pesky maintenance, their subscription service manager covers everything they own including their city pod rental, as owning homes is so passe and no one does now. Not even car rentals are a thing anymore for most citizens, so they are free of all responsibility of maintenance or travel. The internet changed but is still easy to access with one upload of your Id. Like everyone they have it all covered with their welfare granted by the government, just enough to cover the rental cost to keep their subscription on life going as long as they need. They own nothing, but they are happy
>Outro: A second Walt animatronic greets you goodbye and reminds you of where to find a DVC representative to inquire about opportunities
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>>2885041
Christ you're desperate. Poor form.
Clearly I meant PPH of specifically the standby queue as evidenced by mentioning the wait times several time. I had to clarify later on as you and others made the same error of assuming I meant total riders despite saying "blow up the standby queue" over and over. Whatever you need to mentally tell yourself to leave this argument with your dignity intact, feel free.
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>>2885059
It can be settled when Universal removes Hagrid from express eligibility next week and you see the wait times drop. They only added it to express because Epic opened and began pulling crowds from the other two parks. It's simply too popular to work with express and the ATH happened over the christmas holiday 4 years into its lifespan due to it.
You can see on this chart >>2884838
the exact day it was added to express. May 30th of last year. The average wait time began tracking above the historical wait time average even on "off days" despite being a 4 year old ride at that point. The data is already there. It's not an argument.
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>>2884983
I really hope it is that. Epic is desperate for more rides and Id bet the HP broomstick ride is 3-4 yrs away whereas this was originally supposed to be part of the original area just delayed. If permits are going in now could be open for 2028
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>>2885138
No you got IP banned because you outright refuse to post on topic and treat this general like a toilet for opinions.
>>2885080
My mistake. I guess paypiggies have a month left to stand in a 70 minute line that costs $200.
>>2885089
No I didn't.
>>2884983
I really hate how small the expansion pad is for Darkmoor. Ideally they'd take the L with COTWW and scrap it and giving us an actual worthy ride in that space while extending the theming. It's just an off the shelf prototype anyways that was added last minute when they pivoted away from the stage show. It really stands out as being painfully mid given Epic's roster.
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>>2885140
Cold snap. I went when there was a freakishly cold winter (1999?) once and it killed half the plantlife at the park because they plant a load of unusual plants designed for permanently hot climates that won't cope with any real cold weather, despite Florida still being capable of going below 0 on occasion.
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Carousel of Progress changes are confirmed
The new eras for each act will be 60s, 80s, 1999/2000, and the future
Original ride closes July 6
https://disneyparksblog.com/wdw/a-great-big-beautiful-tomorrow-the-car ousel-of-progress-history/
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>>2885157
I've honesty enjoyed seeing Cedar Point homers eat shit the last few years. Although it's obviously not a shitty park, it is on a downhill slide right now. Of course its fans pretend like they never did any of the things in that image.
Worst is referring to their spokesman by his first name like they're personal friends. Really weird
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>>2884941
Actual plan
https://disneyparksblog.com/wdw/a-great-big-beautiful-tomorrow-the-car ousel-of-progress-history/
>Walt Intro
>Act 1: The family watches the Moon Landing in 1969
>Act 2: DUDE 1980s NOSTALGIA
>Act 3: REMEMBER THE Y2K BUG?
>Act 4: Future with a little robot butler that vaguely looks like SMRT-1
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>>2885185
There's always going to be some tragedy to fuel /dbg/ - Disney Bitching General. Rivers of America was the last one, but Disneylards always have something to cry about. Makes me think they enjoy commiserating more than Disney itself.
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>>2885180
>How does this indicator of the degredation of society and dumbing down of entertainment affect you personally?
Retard
Think about it for twelve seconds you attention-deficit zoomer.
They're STARTING a show ostensibly about PROGRESS in 1969. That completely skips steam power, the Wright Flyer, assembly lines, the electric grid, the 50+ mph family car, plastics, the dishwasher, washing machine, electric stove, fuck, even electrical households in general.
No, fuck all that, we're STARTING with the capstone of human achievement, the Apollo landing, which relies on most of the above and a feat which has NOT been replicated in over 50 years. (Yes, Artemis 2 went around the moon this year, but no landing).
And what's the next scene? October 1985. What's different about 1969 and 1985? I guess the common family had a color TV, smaller and more numerous electronic gadgets, a button instead of a rotary phone, and possibly an Atari 2600.
Cars are lasting longer I guess.
The final historical scene is December 1999. What do we have then? Well, Internet and smaller/faster electronics. That's pretty significant for sure, but the true eternal summer didn't happen until the iPhone launch. The framing of it being about expecting the Y2K bug is rather silly.
Then we jump to the future. Not another ~15 years to 2015, but to a scene that frankly doesn't look all that different from the current end sequence.
They mention space travel, but the fact is that it'll never be something for the average joe to experience.
No, the way to redo the show would be
>1900s scene essentially unchanged
>1950s scene instead of 1940s
>2000s scene, probably set in late 2007 right before the financial crash
>2050s speculation to close it all out.
But instead we have boomer pandering from start to finish.
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>>2885201
You think Disney fans think of me, some nostalgic Midwestern nerd who hates everything Disney has done for the last 20 years, but simply can't look away because the train wreck is so absolutely insane, as a Disney fan?
Art (or this fascimile of art) imitates life, and in turn, life will imitate art.
Kids walk off of CoP with at least a basic understanding that the things they take for granted now, like a machine doing the dishes and laundry, simply did not exist for most of human history.
Now Disney's history starts with the childhood of boomers, a full three years after the death of Walt Disney himself.
It's a history of a rotting corpse of a society that has stagnated for over half a century.
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>>2885212
I always make sure when I’m am walking by in the express lane I cough and sneeze on the plebs standing in the standby line so they get ill and realize their mistake of cheapening out and how worthless they are
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>get to go on carousel of progress before it closes and get slopifiied
>get to use express to skip 2 hours of waiting at hagrids
based, i get mine
i'll ride hagdrids several times using express just to spite poorfags if i can
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>>2884863
>It is how doubling works. The line went from 70 to 70x2. Average, of course. Every day has a certain number of people so the number is never exact, but 200+ on hagrids became normal with express.
Alright you fat retard. Just because I'm sick of reading your poverty-fueled myth about how the wait times "doubled" with express (literally impossible if you understand queueing theory, which you don't), I made it so simple even you couldn't possibly fuck it up.
As you can see, according to data from thrill-data.com, the wait times reported before express and after 2023 averaged 89 minutes. Since express was introduced, they've averaged 121 minutes. This is an increase of 32 minutes, or 36% (32/89). If the wait times had doubled, they'd be averaging at least 178 minutes (2*89), or 100% more.
Now go be a poor retard somewhere else.
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>>2885261
I literally said we already calculated it and it's 30-50% depending on the ride's popularity and ride ops.
>>2884980
>We calculated it when we had this argument like 15 threads ago. Removing express drops wait times between 30-50%
Congratulations on spending all that effort proving me right you fat dumbass.
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>>2884923
Having been to nearly every relevant American theme park in the last two years, I get it. They're the only truly interesting ones. I mean we could discuss everything there is to discuss about Cedar Point in a day. It's just a collection of rides with minimal theming and most of which can be found elsewhere. Disney and Universal have depth.
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>>2885253
All time list is:
>Rosalina
>Google maps guy
>Libtards guy
>Angry thoosie who seethes at upcoming closures and announcements guy
>B&M guy
>Guy who travels for work and does like 30 parks a year
>Guy who thinks express is jew nonsense (me)
Rosalina is the goat and redefined the game. Tampa autist is just libtards guy when he talks about his pet park.
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>>2885264
>poor fat retard can't stop doing math wrong
121 - 89 = 32
32 / 121 = 26%
So no, removing express does not drop wait times 30%, 50%, or anywhere in between. And the problem of Hagrid's having shitty waits is there whether express is or not.
Again, see
>>2885261
>go be a poor retard somewhere else.
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>>2885274
A: This is during the Epic's opening year where attendance at Studios and Islands dropped overall so comparing 2024 to 2025 isn't considering context.
B. That is a mere 4% off, assuming those are accurate numbers.
C. I already said it's dependent on the day and time you go. When I went to Universal last, the wait on Hagrid was 45 minutes despite being express eligible cause the park was dead. A better measure would be directly comparing the ATHs of peak days. Or the frequency of queues crossing a certain threshold. The line being super short one week and express-irrelevant doesn't mean shit to you if you visit during a holiday week and the line is 4 hours long.
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>>2885278
>A: This is during the Epic's opening year where attendance at Studios and Islands dropped overall so comparing 2024 to 2025 isn't considering context.
Let's see your source on that, poorbro.
>B. That is a mere 4% off, assuming those are accurate numbers.
4% off the lowest part of your range you disingenuous retard. 26% off your most wrong claim.
>ATHs of peak days
>ATHs
>days
Maybe you are ESL.
>C. I already said it's dependent on the day and time you go. When I went to Universal last, the wait on Hagrid was 45 minutes despite being express eligible cause the park was dead. A better measure would be directly comparing the ATHs of peak days. Or the frequency of queues crossing a certain threshold. The line being super short one week and express-irrelevant doesn't mean shit to you if you visit during a holiday week and the line is 4 hours long.
Damage control.
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>>2885185
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Carousel of Progress has not been the version Walt knew and many many years.
And obviously it was not open at WDW when he died. You might as well say the Magic Kingdom Tiki room is something he worked on.
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>>2885200
Yeah the other day the thought occured that a timeline redo would be cool if they capped it at 1964 or whenever they set Walt in. Would not have expected them to do the exact opposite and make '64 the starting off point.
Missing the iPhone revolution in this update is a waste.
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>>2885266
We could discuss everything there is to discuss about Universal and Disney in a day too. It's just a collection of theming with minimal rides and most of which can also be found elsewhere (at the other Universal and Disney parks). Epic Universe is No Rides: The Park. That will be $175 plus parking, goy
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>>2884919
In the midst of this back and forth, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Disney VIP Tour and the Universal VIP Tour. They are much more expensive than express pass but are exactly what you're advocating for.
>literally be able to skip the line
>taken straight to the loading dock and put onboard
That is what happened in my experience all three times. Your VIP tour guide (heavily compensated 8 hour slave) takes you either through a special entrance or through the staff exit and the plebs never even see your party skip the line.
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>>2885355
Theming is infinitely more discussable than rides without it. This is reflected in attendance figures as well. Unthemed roller coaster discussion isn’t much more than
>yeah, I liked these forces
>this element hit well for me
>I rank the rides in this order
Khruschev wasn’t pissed off about not being able to go Cedar Point. He wanted Disney.
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BANNED FOR LIFE FOR EATING TENDIES
>YouTuber Allen Ferrell will no longer be allowed at any Six Flags theme parks after sneaking chicken nuggets onto Cedar Point’s Millennium Force roller coaster and recording a video.
>Ferrell attempted to eat the nuggets while traveling at speeds faster than 90mph.
>"This guest has been banned from all Six Flags parks for life. Safety is a cornerstone of our business and we have zero tolerance for inappropriate and unsafe behavior. Our ride safety policy strictly prohibits all loose articles on rides, including food which can become a choking hazard.”
https://wgntv.com/ohio/cedar-point-guest-gets-lifetime-ban-from-six-fl ags-parks-for-roller-coaster-stunt/ amp/
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>>2885470
Sea World has Mako, Manta, and Kraken. That's why Disneylards pretend it doesn't exist - they know eventually they'd have to face their fears, better to stay on property where real coasters can't scare them
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>>2885490
I'm not a disney adult but I can simulate their mentality as a schizo. I think a lot of them are firmly on the spectrum, and totally undiagnosed and untreated. When you are on the spectrum, you cant like...go out for drinks and entertain a normal conversation with a group of friends. You have a rich inner life but there is no external social connection. Disney frames reality in a way that is like autist catnip. There's specific things to do and it requires very little filling in of the social gaps by the participant. It's why they go so hard into shows and shit like sonic. It's a very playful and child-like framing of reality. It just happens to have rides.
The issue is probably downstream of our unregulated food additive industries.
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>>2885493
Its the closest thing to an actual "Going into games" machine given how most old game designers working on 3D platformers studied the design principles of Disney parks and adapted that into a lot of the level design principles still in use today. And of course with gaming becoming more popular resulting in amusement parks trying to find ways to compete besides shooting gallery dark rides, that's fed into the need for more immersive environments and characters and employees acting as NPCs and sending you on pointless fetch quests through park apps.
Even some of the Walt-era Imagineering oldheads were going "We invented Virtual Reality" when that fad was going on in the 90s.
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Why haven't there been any real dark rides based on notable anime IP? Without falling into the shitskin naruto/DBZ/one piece trap
>Frieren boat ride
>Spy x Family shooter omnimover
>Radiator springs racers ride system but with drifting and themed to Initial D
>Gundam simulator ride
>Hollywood Drift but reskinned to Speed Racer and Mach 6
>Soarin' flying theater but going through environments and locations from the Ghibli catalog on Nausicaa's glider, film is composite 3D/2D animation
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>>2885556
>My brother is a thrill guy
>Me? Well I just prefer themed rides. It's not because tall and fast rides scare me. No sir. They're just not fun if they're not themed. But I will totally get on one someday, lol it's crazy you'd think I only like theming as a cope for being a wimp
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>>2885551
A lot of anime are only seasonally popular which is why most rides based on them in Japan are temporary overlays (most notably USJ but I also recall Fuji Q had their flying theater themed to Evangelion at one point)
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>>2885556
I like theming and Orlando parks and I like thrills and Cedar Point and Kings Island more than anything in Orlando. My favorite Disney rides, for example, are Haunted Mansion, Pirates, Guardians, and Tower. Having thrills makes rides infinitely more re-rideable but I also don’t think anything comes close to the two classic dark rides I mentioned (despite some attempts to ruin them). Modern dark rides are full of simulator gimmicks and screens or throwing fire and water or blowing air at you. They’re not as re-rideable. I don’t think Disney has made a truly great modern non-thrill dark ride in decades.
Cedar Point is my home park so I’m a. It biased but I like it for many reasons. The setting on Lake Erie with an oceanic backdrop. Staying at the expensive Breakers hotel on the beach or just using the beach in general (no salt, no sharks). Walking through Frontier Trail and Frontier Town, their only themed area but it’s one of the best frontier lands IMO. Boneville on the train. All the kinetic energy in the background from all the big rides in motion. The arrow roll back sound on Magnum. The corkscrews over the pathway. And one the largest and greatest coaster collections on the planet. Now that Top Thrill 2 exists with the spike, the rush and sounds as it goes up the spike which you can hear from the lobby in Breakers. Driving down the causeway and seeing it come into view is amazing and driving around to park at breakers or the water park going past Millennium and Steel Vengeance is great. The water craft that dock at the marina and there is an entrance there. And the tourist Thirsty Pony right off the causeway that doesn’t belong to them is a great place to grab some beers and bet on horse racing. You can keep your multi billion dollar Orlando dark ride parks, I’m good
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>>2885594
I went to Kennywood on a Sunday recently. After they closed I went to the Popeye’s drive thru nearby. I noticed there was a crowd of young upstanding urban fellows at the front. I parked at the restaurant to eat. I checked my rear view mirror a few minutes later and the youths were gone, replaced by about four police cars and a bunch of cops. As the police dispersed, I asked one if I could ask what was going on. He said that every day after closing a bunch of juvenile delinquents come over here and cause trouble. I said so they just loiter? He said no, they get in fights and damage things.
Unfortunately for the cops the basketball folk returned almost immediately after they left.
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>>2885699
It better not be. Pokemon has more of a cult following, doesn't it? A wide cult following but it's not something like Mario that everyone knows and it almost never shows up on the GOAT game lists. I don't know a thing about it and I'm a nintendy, so that makes me think it would have limited appeal among the GP.
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>>2885652
>RMCs are overrated
Agreed but not by that much.
>Also thank fuck for B&M still making loops
Why? Vertical loops are the most basic and boring possible element and that's why even B&M gave up on them for a decade. The novelty of them is long gone.
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>>2885702
Any element of exclusive merch would attract the scalpers and ebay dealers that have no problem shoving kids in the face to get some more cards to sell later. That would be the foulest smelling nightmare section of the parks.
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>>2885577
I spent three days at Disneyland/DCA earlier this month and another three at Cedar Point. By the end of my third day at CP I was done. While they do have the best coaster collection I know of, that still only comes out to 5 great coasters. Valravn's layout is terrible (though the first drop is good), Gatekeeper is boring, Raptor is pretty generic, Magnum was closed (and also sucks), Blue Streak sucks, Gemini is meh (and was closed), the mine train is meh, and corkscrew is meh. While not great, they do have the best wild mouse I've ever ridden. The views are cool (particularly the skyline from outside) and there are several great restaurants. Frontier Town is good and so is the train. There are two good flats in the frisbee and screaming swing (the spaceshot is shockingly slow), both of which were closed. Actually enjoying visiting the lake probably requires growing up in the midwest and therefore not having access to good beaches, so I wasn't capable of that. So I mostly lapped the big 5 (I had fast lane), which was getting old by the end.
3 days at Disneyland/DCA on the other hand felt very insufficient. I got to ride everything at least once and only waited more than 40 minutes once (Rise of the Resistance, which was 50 minutes), but I would have love to hit most of the rides twice, if not more than that. Besides that, I could have used at least two days not riding anything at all but just appreciating everything else the parks had to offer - shows, street entertainment, place design, hidden gems everywhere, restaurants, and maybe some people watching. You mentioned kinetic energy at CP, which is good, but it's much better at DL. There were spots I could stand at DL and see old cars, submarines, monorails and bobsleds all at once. The monorail actually goes above the Matterhorn Bobsled queue. So while CP wins for thrills, DL wins in just about everything else.
The Orlando parks on the other hand mostly suck, so that's a much closer call.
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The best park I've been to for kinetic energy might be Canada's Wonderland. It's just a very tall park. 18 coasters including 3 over 200 feet, a shitload of tall flat rides that span the entire park, a coaster in a mountain, plus Alpen Fury now which goes all over the place.
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>>2885709
>Actually enjoying visiting the lake probably requires growing up in the midwest and therefore not having access to good beaches, so I wasn't capable of that.
Spoken like somebody who never went there. I’ve been to plenty of good beaches and the Great Lakes beaches are some of the best, especially along Lake Michigan. They are not “lake beaches” they look like you’re at the ocean. Cedar Point beach is one of the only Great Lakes beaches with a Florida beach resort vibe. The water isn’t clear here but that’s not true for all the Great Lakes. I don’t think anybody would generalize these lakes like that if they actually saw them in person. They don’t look like lakes and they have their own storm systems. Your assumption that we’ve never gone on vacation to other beaches is retarded. I’ve been to Disneyland a few times and Huntington Beach there and one in San Diego. I like Disneyland but it’s not better than WDW and it’s also not cheap to visit for Midwesterners. Southern California is a shithole too in an otherwise beautifully stage. Nice beaches though. Cute how the beach community is full of whites but everywhere is else is full of Mexicans. To be fair a lot of the homeless junkies in Hollywood are whites too. Probably failed actors
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>>2885761
California beaches are ass too. You’re just proving my point. You have to have never been to a good beach, or at least spent very little time at one, to have standards low enough to appreciate the great lakes beaches. And yes I’ve been to many of them.
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New Six Flags Fiesta Texas coaster
>Launch into the legend of Werewolf Gorge - new in 2027! This record-breaking family coaster sends you hurtling along 4,120 feet of twisted track - including 32 exhilarating airtime moments - as you explore the deserted silver mine where mysterious howls echo from the dark.
https://x.com/SF_FiestaTexas/status/2060900550518907229
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>>2885812
Cosmic Rewing is longer, are they claiming that isn't a family coaster?
>"at least they've made sure they won't get accused of ripping off Univer...."
>*sees the back and forth launch halfway through*
That's kinda shameless. Looks solid though, hope they're ready for all the puking kids with them adding so many bunny hops.
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>>2885929
Yeah I want to know the full story here. Well it’s plausible that a man was offended by another man trooned out and in a skirt and decided to pull it down, more likely the mentally deranged troon wanted to show off “her”’penis to children and found a way to make the skirt come off and then blamed it on somebody
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HOLY FUCKING SHIT ITS FUCKING TOON LAGOON TIME PUSSYS I SWEAR TO GOD IF THEY TRY TO TURN THE BASED LAGOON INTO SOME FAGGY SPONGEBOB OR TRANIME LAND I WILL GO FUCKING APE SHIT. GOONER PRIDE WORLD WIDE. GOON TASK FORCE MOBILISE. DEFEND BETTY BOOP AT ALL COSTS. BLESSED NE DUDLEY DO RIGHT. ALL PRAISE BE TO POPEYES
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>>2886090
Arabs love anime too. And they have more money than Mexico. And a more functional government.
https://chasingsheep.substack.com/p/the-rise-and-fall-of-pemex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxCfXANJyoI
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Just got home from Epcot, I'm not really liking the new Soarin to be honest. For context I'd only seen Around the World and really liked it even if it was CGI'd a bunch.
My seat today was the very top right glider a few seats from the left, not the worst seat in the house but i guess pretty close. I've had bad seats with Around the World and never really saw the crooked eiffel tower people always complained about but this version could have made me sick.
The only way I know to describe it is it definitely felt like I was watching a 360 video, unlike Around the World which just felt like very wide FOV.
I think the worst shot that demonstrates what I mean is the Alaskan segment., especially when the camera turns which I think is part of the problem for this version. I don't get motion sick but being on the edge of the screen's curve for that portion was unpleasant. In Around the World the shots are boring from a cinematography perspective but that helps hide the curved screen. I believe they could have been more careful about what they shot for the American version.
I also just think the transitions in the video and the musical score are bad.
I wanted to get a second ride in today to have a better grasp of things but it was like 55-70 minute standby which is ridiculous. Could have been due to it being the last day of the festival which I did not realize before arriving but I don't know.
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>>2886122
You've just reminded me of the Cinema 180. Wide angled videos played on huge (at least they seemed a lot bigger as a kid) wrap around screens. You'd watch it standing on a flat floor and the effects of watching the video would make you lose your balance when something dizzying or suprising happened. The movies always seemed to end in a car chase with the final shot being you about to slam into a car, stopping at the last second with an ironic personalised number plate filling the screen.
There are a bunch of rips of various films on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em5sjREAa8k
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>>2886122
Soarin 2026 is trying too hard with the America 250 thing when patriotism is kind of dead and no one even thinks Disney truly has it unless it can be exploited for revenue anyway. It is about as tone deaf as NuCOP trying to show an optimistic future
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>>2886135
>Disney is a fundamentally American institution and was built on patriotism
theyre doing their best to get rid of this. Amazing theyre trying to make IP lands everywhere when their best IP is an idolised version USA
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>>2886077
I'm surprised it still exists since there is just no way any kids have heard of 99% of the characters in that place.The newspaper comic medium it imitates is already a near unknown thing to most people under 20.
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>>2886110
The Popeye ride is amazingly misleading since majority of those big tube rides only kinda sorta get people wet, and sometimes you can ride them and never get wet at all. So majority of people get in the Popete ride assuming they might just get a little wet if they are unlucky.
Damn thing is designed to maximum soak people as if they were fully dunked underwater.
>>2886122
It completely lacks that interactive feel since nothing flies at you. Soarin around the World had had that little plane that flies right at the audience and turns at the last second, the elephant dust sprayed upwawrds at the audience, the whale water splash, also the barely managing to fly over a couple things like Mount Everest.
Soarin around America is a plain ol boring flight sim with no fancy moves, you don't fly in or around special. I think a seagull flies at you. Otherwise it more boring locations (Like the swamp for some reason? or some guy's cattle ranch)
Why not fly through a skyline at night like New York or Chicago. Not LA, it's just christmas lights on the ground with a lot of garbage, it does not look great from above. Over the rockies, then Hawaii, Maybe the Redwood forest, or San Francisco.
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>>2886147
when i first went as a kid it was my favourite land (i was like 9 and this was 2008) even though I only knew popeye, had no clue who dudley do right was but i loved the ride. there's something super charming and fun about all the comic strips as theming and the gags sprinkled about.
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can i do everything in 1 day at BGW? was thinking about driving up tomorrow 4 hours, sleeping, and then hitting the park on a wednesday. kind of like the idea of taking it slower or riding rides i like more than once. will be solo
also curious about kings dominion
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>>2885866
It looks promising IF Six Flags commits to the theming. One of their biggest problems in the past was proposing new rides with decent theming and then cutting that budget during construction. It's an easy cost to cut since it's not necessary but the parks have suffered because of their inability to stick to the plan.
>>2885900
SFFT/KD being sold is a thoosie rumor
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>>2886152
That was my experience. I did think I'd get pretty wet but I didn't think I'd be completely soaked. Meanwhile the one at Disney California Adventure I got nothing but a few sprinkles. I was on the light side of the boat with two families on the other side.
I'd say they should turn the water down on cold days but no one wanted to ride the one at DCA when it was like 60 degrees either.
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>>2886184
Everything once should be doable. The essentials are
>Celtic Fyre show
>all coasters except Big Bad Wolf (B&M family invert), Tempesto (Premier Skyrocket II clone, you can skip if you've ridden it elsewhere) and Grover's Alpine Express
There's also Escape from Pompeii, the train and the skyride.
The rope drop used to be Darkoaster, and maybe it still is, but the newly reopened Verbolten will probably have high demand as well to see its new theming. The B&Ms (Griffon - dive, Apollo's Chariot - hyper, Alpengeist - invert) are good but usually don't have much of a wait, plus at least two of them have single rider. The best coaster is Pantheon. Ride that both front and back.
Kings Dominion is just plain dead on weekdays. You can also do that one in a day.
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>>2886152
The big/only problem with Popeye is that there are too many unavoidable full boat soakers. The most fun part of most rapids is the fact that each element will only get the odd person wet so you can laugh at other people getting wet or dread it when the rotation of the boat puts you at front when approaching a bit of white water.
It's less fun when you're on a conveyer and basically move through a waterfall.
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Lately I've had this idea of traveling to Europe and going to Eftiling, Europa Park, and Phantasialand, but I'm intimidated because I've never been outside the country before and I only speak English. Has anybody else ever done this before? Doable? Any advice?
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>>2886287
I'm guessing school isn't out yet?
>>2886290
Very doable. You're going to first world countries, to the places that are absolutely geared towards international tourists. What is your plan for getting from park to park? What is your plan for staying the night? As long as you plan/budget accordingly, you'll have a good time.
Personal recommendation, if you're using the DB (German trains), would recommend a lot of cushion because of delays/cancellations. My trains always ran on time... except when I had time commitments. Then it was suicide on the tracks here, service worker strike there...
I went to Tripsdrill in addition to those three parks many years ago (2016) and found it comfy/enjoyable. Not much in terms of rollercoasters, but the theming, cuisine, and accompanying zoo were nice. Plus the complete lack of queuing was very welcome.
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>>2886301
I'm not sure how long I'd need for each park. I think Europa Park is probably a two day park. I don't know about the others. I also need to do more research about transportation, but I've just seen people say these parks are so good, and here in America we don't have many parks with excellent theming like that besides Disney and Universal, and I've been to both of those and I get really excited when I think about these European parks. I know there's other parks that would be great to check out too, like Parc Astrix or Plopsaland, but I don't want to make it too long or expensive, or be too tired to properly enjoy the parks, and the three parks that I mentioned seem like the best ones I think, and doable by train in large part I think, which is cool because I haven't really traveled by train before, except in the subways in Washington DC.
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>>2886130
Daily reminder that China has wanted to buy Disney for several decades and never will. Americanism was fundamentally built into Disney. Japan understands this. China is a shithole with 20th century oligarch Communism as the prevailing view amongst the slave retards.
https://youtu.be/eVpIRp_x1c0?si=2-hUGLUPGNzbu4n2
Daily reminder we will be killing anyone promoting anti-Americanism on the internet.
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>>2886126
Just pay for the privileged parking. Its worth it. The park is a short walking distance and you don't have to wait for the tram. They do it to keep the park from being overtaken and destroyed by local black teens.
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>>2886322
I think it depends on when you visit. During the summer break, especially weekends, lines can get long enough that the parks needs two days. On a weekday, I think one day is enough if you're not the "look and linger" sort of tourist. Would recommend an overnight train (maybe Eurail pass if that's still a thing) since it saves a hotel/hostel trip. IDK it just depends on your own tastes. But if you're in it for atmosphere and theming, you're going to have a great time. There's something very comfy about those parks.
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>>2886326
Isn't it sad that you sit around all day hoping to IP ban someone for telling the truth about the good and the bad of the parks ?
I love how you act like a little slave who thinks people should cower in shame for getting banned by hb1s because you can't handle basic human rights like free speech.
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>>2886336
China has huge fucking problems and their abysmal birthrate is going to make them old before they ever get truly rich. That being said, the sheer amount of seething you have towards Chinks makes me think you're of the Indian persuasion. Pray tell, where outside of Chinkistan do retarded black and white bears naturally live?
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>>2886331
Yeah I love theming, and I wish more parks like that existed in America. The only Paris we have with top tier theming are all based on IPs for the most part, and that's okay but most of the classic Disney rides were original concepts, and there's no reason we couldn't have parks like that in America. But these parks just look so wonderful from the pictures, and I'd really like to experience them. I'd just have to do a ton of research, much more than I usually put into a vacation. It's intimidating, but riding the train and experiencing these European theme parks seems like a really cool trip.
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>>2886341
Nice, godspeed anon. When do you think you'll take this trip? Next month? Next year? On the bucket list?
IMO planning the trip is fun in itself. Making lots of decisions, wallowing in anticipation, seeing the fruits (and fuckups) of your labors, etc. And, again, you're aiming for first world countries who are themselves open to international tourists so you have a lot of wiggle room.
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>>2886344
It would be next year at the nearest, but I'd have to get family on board. I've never planned a trip like this before, but the idea of it is very appealing to me right now. These parks look so cool and I don't just want to look at pictures of them. I'd love to actually experience them.
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>>2886346
>family
Good luck mate. You're braver than I am. Are you taking your parents or your kids? If the latter, would recommend scaling significantly down if the kids are under 5yo. If siblings, jelly/10, go wild.
I went with my brother to the five big German theme parks in the summer of 2016 (maybe 2017?). We rented a car and spent a lot of quality time on the Autobahn, good times. Now we're both married with kids, alas. (I'm kidding, it's fun too, just a different stage of life.)
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>>2886347
It's my parents. My dad really likes roller coasters. I'm the one who got him back into riding them. We've been to Universal a few times in the last few years, going to Epic Universe this year, went to Disney last year, we've gone to Carowinds, Six Flags Over Georgia, Busch Gardens Williamsburg. And I grew up going to Dollywood and we live close enough to go there and back in a day. My mom can't do most roller coasters but she enjoys watching us have fun, and she enjoys dark rides, which I know the European parks should have plenty of. But for my dad who loves theme parks, I know he'd never make this trip without me planning it, but I think we'd have an amazing time riding all of these rides and taking in the work that went into theming these parks.
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>>2886152
That's why hardly anyone ever goes on the Popeye rapids ride at all. I have never noticed a line for that thing. It is always walk right in every time.
I think it fools people once, then they declare never again.
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I know this is kind of a long shot but wondering if anyone has heard anything over the rumor mill about Six Flags closing the California Great America in Santa Clara, California? I know the lease expires in 2028 and the official news in 2025 was that 2026 was the park's last year. But there hasn't been any additional news since (ie, news in 2026) and management bothered refurbishing Beserker and retracking Gold Striker so... idk... I'm hoping they extend the lease a year or two, unlikely though it is. :(
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>>2886147
There is a pretty good argument for majority of Cartoon Lagoon being out of date by the time it was built in 99. Sunday comics were still a thing then but a good majority of what is represented there are comics from the 40s through 60s that a lot of kids might have not heard of.
It's also weird to see newspaper comics being represented as a park feature while the biggest names in paper comics are absent like Garfield, Peanuts, Dick Tracey, Flash Gordon, or Far Side. Of course the rights are waaaaay more expensive for those than Gasoline Alley.
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>>2886287
Animal Kingdom is kind of lite right now anyway. It's already the park that closes at 6, but now it's the park that is currently missing a large section so it's a waste of money to spend the full price to go to 3/4 of a park with only a handfull of rides. People are going to wait until the South America section is complete before anyone seriously considers that place again.
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>>2886328
Yeah but the Florida government is determined to fuck that company as much as possible for some reason no one can really understand. The Police convention altercation in Disney Springs last week is going to give them the fuel to start fucking with Disney all over again.
The second their back is broken for any political clout, other bigger companies are going to start swooping in to peck at the remains.
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>>2886364
CA is a stickler for (((zoning))) though and a large point of contention is that the land is zoned for theme parks, not residential or data centers. I'm hoping (as a local) that even if Six Flags pulls out, someone will still keep it as a theme park and maybe even keep the rides there. Something similar happened to a water park nearby; closed due to unprofitability, city refused to rezone, eventually reopened under new management as a waterpark. We'll see.
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>>2886367
You could hit Levi Stadium with a rock from the front gate. Hard to believe that particular park could be profitable with what the real estate must cost. If they have to keep just one, Discovery Kingdom is the obvious choice even though it's not as good.
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>>2886369
The real estate is not as profitable as it could be if the city/county continues to insist it can only be used for theme parks. I do feel bad rooting for the bureaucracy here, but if it were up to the tech bros, the whole place would be swarming with nuclear reactors and data centers (neither of which I am against, but as a family man, recreation is important too!).
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>>2886363
>Liberal communist bullshit
Yeah no, no company should be allowed to run their own town with their own tax systems. I don't give a fuck how magical they were for your childhood, a municipality is responsible to the VOTERS not shareholders. And go fuck yourself.
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>>2886367
The death of Six Flags is more a loss of the middle ground theme parks. When those types of places keep dying everywhere then it turns into a situation of only the people who can afford a $10K vacation in Orlando will ever see a roller coaster.
It's also more a symptom of the fact that more and more people just plain do not have the disposable income for that kind of thing anymore. A day of themed entertainment is becoming rare for people when food is too damn expensive and takes up most of a paycheck.
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>>2886425
The land is still being owned and Prologis will continue to pay property taxes. City leadership, at least in publically-facing statements, have expressed reluctance in rezoning, but perhaps they shall be voted out. Nothing to do but wait and see.
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>>2886573
>The land is still being owned and Prologis will continue to pay property taxes.
The valuation would go down once the park is cleared, resulting in lower tax revenue.
I looked up Santa Clara's zoning and the parcel the park sits on is zoned CR (Commercial - Regional).
>"This classification is intended for retail and commercial uses that provide local and regional services. It is intended for commercial developments that serve both Santa Clara residents and the surrounding region. A broad range of retail uses is allowed, including regional shopping centers, local‐serving offices, medical facilities, home improvement/durable goods sales and services, warehouse membership clubs, new and used auto sales and services, and travel‐related services such as hotels, gas stations, restaurants, convention centers, amusement parks and sports venues."
So it could easily find a new use without being rezoned.
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>>2886577
None of the listed examples would allow them to build a data center or series of townhomes, which is where the real money is. Not saying they're not going to try, just that bulldozing Great America for another shopping center, medical complex, or Costco isn't going to nearly as profitable (or popular). We'll see.
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Investors don’t like amusement parks because
1. Regionals are seasonal and not open most of the year
2. Weather can greatly impact operations for days it is open. You can lose an entire holiday weekend if it is raining all the days
3. They are not a steady stream of income (think monthly subscriptions) and are based when people book trips in ebbs and flows
4. They are expensive to upkeep, staff and invest, this is why the resort parks are hated by investors despite being money printing machines
This is why investors either like low-key, indoor entertainment that can run all year or simply warehouses and housing
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>>2886593
I'm amazed they are willing to move to an area where they can only operate for a few months out of the year. Six Flags is overall less profitable for constantly building in areas where they have to close for winter.
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B&M seems to be ending their relationship with their current steel fabricator according to Screamscape
Hopefully this fixes the roughness issue they've been having the past few years
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>>2886616
>This one mountain hotel easily equals the cost of a massive 100+ acre park with the employee population, restaurants, rides, electricity and water costs of a small city!
Are you pretending to be stupid? Or are you that fucking retarded?
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>>2886593
Going to take this moment to say how much I hate theme park resort names
Every single time it is Universal/Disneyland [Insert city/country here] and it sounds lame and a lesser copy of a product, really lacking the creativity that a theme park should entail
Disney World is the only one that managed to get a good name after the original Disney/Universal resorts
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>>2886593
They've probably spent stupid money researching which gets better reactions. I think in it's full form Unviersal United Kingdom just sounds a bit less olf fashioned for reasons I can't put into words
>>2886606
Disneyland Paris is open year round and the weather actually gets a bit worse than Southern England. England's issue isn't that it has bad weather, it's that it has depressing weather
>>2886665
Disneyland Paris seems to have got the worst of it "We're going to Disneyland Paris, now where should we visit first in Disneyland Paris? I know Disneyland Paris!
They've rebranded Studios as Super Disney Adventure World 3D, they really should work on the branding for the castle park. Especially if they do plan on a third gate.
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>>2886833
Universal was planning to Volcano Bay it, iirc.
I'm just saying that Spain should be a world class tourism destination given their weather, They are the Florida of Europe, but they are a bunch of lazy shithead communists. If they embraced just a little capitalism, they would have a full blown Disney World by now.