>>219787559
It's over. Nobody in Hollywood has the right sensibilities to make these movies.

>>219787935
How did Mission Impossible continue to build while James Bond fell off so hard

Amazon is incompetent to the point of seemingly doing it on purpose so very fucked

>>219787958
Because Tom Cruise is insane and just made the IP a big stunt montage with a thin plot to tie it all together.

>>219787559
There are some cool moments in the Craig bonds, but the franchise died when they moved away from Brosnan, and more importantly the spirit behind those movies. Gritty, realistic, grounded, these words have very limited use in the world of Bond, but they slapped it all over like a coat of cheap paint. Now we have James Bond in "The Landlord Special" it may as well be any other action movie at this point.

>>219787958
yet only Mission Impossible 1 is kino

>>219787981
It's always the writing where Amazon fuck up. They throw huge piles of money into the special effects, and usually get some good actors on board too, but then they shoot the most messy and negligent scripts as if the writing does not matter at all.

>>219788035
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEXmYnKUcUU
>this isn't kino
son I am disappoint

>>219787958
This is not me saying M:I is bad, though trying to make like-for-like comparisons between Bond and M:I risks overstating the similarities. Yes, they are both spies, but 1) M:I is more built around a team aspect that Bond does not have; and 2) Ethan Hunt, while I would not say he has no personality, a lot of M:I is 'here is Tom Cruise doing a stunt' rather than 'here is your popular character Ethan Hunt that you as a casual audience member of the top of your head can rattle off what his meaningful personality is'. With Bond it is the people working on it either do not actually like character or they do not properly understand what people actually want from the franchise, so you get a misguided and shallow use of the Bond iconography.

>>219788019
didnt fleming not like connery as bond intially, then warmed up to him, but overall still hated the film because it wasnt serious enough or something like that (dr.no), read that somewhere

>>219788105
2 isn't kino but it is not super bad either, and totally feels like they turned the unfinished script for an over the top action movie into a Mission Impossible movie to make more money, similar to what happened with Simon Says/Die Hard 3

>>219787958
>How did Mission Impossible continue to build while James Bond fell off so hard
Because M:I is an action franchise which centers around Tom Cruise's charisma whereas Bond is a very un-PC character from a very different time that doesn't translate well into our own.

>>219787559
It's dead. Even if Amazon makes new movies, the real EON Bond is still dead. Whatever they do at Amazon is just an adaptation of those original films.
Roger Moore is the worst Bond by far by the way.

>>219788010
>a big stunt montage with a thin plot to tie it all together.
The three main hallmarks of Bond for me were always crazy big sets, huge practical stunts, beautiful locations. The MI movies would deliver on these things while Craig's last three movies all but abandoned them while sniffing their own subversive farts. The MI movies have their problems but they have have spiritually closer to classic Bond than anything Eon has shat out in the last 15 years.

James Bond ended with Die Another Day

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>>219787559
broccoli confirmed the aaron taylor jew made up the whole rumor himself. he was never considered for bond

dalton won. simple as that

>>219788253
>Roger Moore is the worst Bond
George Lazenfag is and always will

the fun of bond is all the different interpretations, if jamie bell was taller, and younger he would have made an excellent cheeky fresh out of the academy bond

>>219788293
Is that better or worse than some irrelevant director trying to toss your name into the pool like with Sydney Sweeney?

>>219788302
Lazenby has the excuse of not being an actor. Moore is just smarmy without any of Connery's charisma.

>>219787559
Unironically, they may be waiting to cast to see if the video game is a big hit then they will hire the actor from the game. If not than the brother of the actor playing Snape.

>>219787559
aproximately as fucked as bongland itself

>>219787559
Its been dead since Casino Royal.

It needs a return to camp. Something in the vein of the Roger Moore years.

>>219788419
see Man from Uncle

>>219787935
fpbp

>>219787958
Mission Impossible dropped off after Fallout. I didn't watch the last one but Dead Reckoning was almost as bad as No Time to Die. Both franchises have been ruined by dumb people who don't understand the genre.

>>219787935
This
There's quite literally nothing stopping Amazon from hiring a 30-something Bong actor who can look handsome and say quips, spinning a globe and throwing together some caper set in a country like Morocco about a bad guy who wants to turn poor people into diamonds, or some shit like that. The issue is that no one capable of making a fun movie is allowed anywhere near the property, so it'll gather dust until they make something approved by a committee in about 5 years that people will be payed to say is good

>>219788419
isnt there a happy in between, like humor but serious, i feel brosnans was kinda like at times, but they could add more humor this time around

>>219788419
asking for another Goldeneye or even a TSWLM is too much but something close to Tomorrow Never Dies or The Living Daylights should be possible

>>219788576
Steve Coogan is... Double oh, where'd I park the ... FUCK

>>219787559
>How fucked is the 007 franchise?
Isn't James Bond for British children? Why are you watching James Bond?

>>219788587
the world is not enough is the best Brosnan movie

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>>219787935
Amazon is obviously bad news for the franchise, but trusting it to a director with the right sense of energy, playfulness and flair could possibly have made it at least worth a watch

Instead, they went with Villeneuve

It's so fucking over

>>219788652
no but that movie got shat on way too much

>>219788629
James Bond has never been for kids dumbass, unless you count the James Bond Jr cartoon. Back in the 60s/70s many parents wouldn't even allow their kids to watch them because they were considered risque and too violent.

>>219789609
Nah, it's for kids. Adults don't watch it in Britain.
Same with Doctor Who and Red Dwarf and Harry Potter. It's wierd that all of these things are really popular among adults in the absolute states.

>>219787559
Some PR bot for Austin Butler claimed a few months ago that Callum Turner got the job. It explains why Turner was suddenly giving interviews to Daily Mail trying to make their ~friendship a thing, while he's getting papped with Dua Lipa like on a neverending press tour. She's helping to sex up his (balding) image for a franchise gig.

>>219789693
No one under 30 even cares about James Bond retard

>>219789693
Yup, real britons only watch cuckold porn and go to the mosque.

>>219789693
Americans mature a lot slower than British people.

What would a modern Bond even do? UK is a colony of Pakistan now

>>219788576
Goldeneye was the perfect match of humor and seriousness, but Die Another Day was way too silly.

I feel like they really need to set the stories back in the 60s again. Things just aren't the same out of the Cold War context and embrace the tropes of the genre again like the villains having secret island bases and stuff.

>>219787935
I too am looking forward to bland colors, dreary sets with green screen and james bond being taught how to do his craft by a younger woman

>>219789878
He's going to fight Israel.

>>219789967
Uh oh. Ameristan ban incoming.

>>219789373
the villain is just so much more solid than 006 and is cute as hell

>>219787559
White as cauliflower. They should get some color in there like Broccoli.

>>219788273
You forgot the beautiful women and strong men, which was the core of the power fantasy that attracted the audience. MI have both, you still want to be Tom doing that crazy shit, while nobody wants to be Craig even if that gives you a glimpsy of Ana DeArmas tits. Bond is ashamed of it's women being beautiful and the men being strong so just like you said they subverted that by showing strong women and uselless, broken men. Nobody wants to be Craig riding bitch to Lashana Lynch

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When the day comes that it's possible to make good movies again, 'The Saint' will be waiting, mostly unsullied. The Val Kilmer movie was fine but didn't do well enough at the box office to justify a new franchise. A few tepid attempts at relaunching it, including one with Moore that ended up in development hell, has ensured it has stayed out of the public eye, which means it has little cultural baggage.

>>219789902
>the villains having secret island bases and stuff.
Rami Malek had a secret island base in No Time To Die and it still felt underwhelming

>>219790573
because that villain was a massive asspull in an already terrible movie

>>219788409
Skyfall was the last good one

>>219787559
Yes.

>>219787559
It died with Casino Royale.

>>219790516
You ever watched Return of the Saint?

>>219792647
No. I've watched the entire original series and the Val Kilmer movie but only reviews of the other stuff, which generally aren't rated well. Is it worth giving it a chance?

>>219787559
it was always dumb

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>>219787559
it died when they used that small manlet

>>219787559
Bond movies died for me after die another day

We need The Rock like movie but with Dalton as bond

>>219787559
The video game is gonna save the franchise, ironically.

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>>219794280

>>219788621
kek
>>219789902
>Goldeneye
exactly

>>219794280
>brosnan
>almost 6'2
had no idea, no wonder his kids a tree

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>>219787559
saw this a couple days ago in my bond marathon after everyone said it's the gritty bond, and it's just an OK moore movie with a slightly more pretentious actor playing bond. fuck you daltonfags
i'll watch license to kill tonight

>>219796025
License To Kill is more gritty

John Cleese was best Q.

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>>219796925
>gritty

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>>219787559