Showrunners had to come up with an ending because George R&R Martin was doing anything aside from writing books.

>>219814569
The Dothraki storming into the night and being wiped out in 20 seconds? Varys having a shitty send-off? The imp being turned into a retard? Something about Daenerys forgetting about the Iron fleet? I stopped watching after season 3, but iirc these were some of the complaints I read about online.

>>219814569
not enough Daeneris nudity

Just know that dany isn’t the good guy from the beginning and don’t get attached, if you do that the ending is actually really good

>>219814569
She turns to the Dark Side, and people said it only took her one episode. Except that she does evil shit quite a bit throughout the series. But most people watching it themselves are evil and don't know it, so they thought she was good.

>>219814661
Jaime's death made me so angry. Him burning Cersei's letter was one of the most kino moments in the books. And season 8 made that whole redemption arc completely irrelevant.

>>219814696
Not even close.

>>219814569
they crammed what should have been 2 full 10 episode seasons into like 7 episodes over 2 years. it all felt rushed and it was bullshit

>>219814723
I love how they are in the fucking basement of a giant castle that collapses and tyrion just finds them laying down together under some bricks and not completely smushed

>>219814720
This

>>219814569
Plotlines were accelerated far beyond reasonable or compelling levels, pay off on long standing plotlines or character arcs were unfulfilling or egregiously unsatisfying, characters made out of character decisions, character's resolutions were just plain awful, story threads were left unresolved

Asking what's good about it is a better question and I would struggle to name a single thing that left me feeling better about the series. I adored the first four seasons and yet I've had zero desire to go back and rewatch or rewatch anything new. The series just got progressively worse halfway through and the final series spat in my face then told me I wasted years of my life being invested.

>>219814720
>evil
I mean by a modern view point most of the characters are evil.

>>219814822
People are actually more evil now they ever were

>>219814859
I think they're as evil as they ever were, they just have new ways to be evil and some of them allow them to spread it far further with far greater impact than in the past.

>>219814720
final season has way more issues than "Dany's chimpout was too sudden (it wasn't)"
>>219814748
>they crammed what should have been 2 full 10 episode seasons into like 7 episodes
and they still managed to put in an episode where basically nothing happens. Imagine if after Breaking Bad's third season they had to wrap up the series in 6 episodes while still going through all the story beats of seasons 4 and 5, and one of said episode was the fly one

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>>219814661

>The Dothraki storming into the night and being wiped out in 20 seconds?

They also respawned after that battle.

I know battle scenes are meant to look cool to normies but it would have been nice to see light cavalry doing hit and run attacks, the shooting units on the castle walls, etc.

Also hated how the zombies charged in like velociraptors when the script needed the NPC soldiers out of the way but then they slowed down and turned into Romero zombies whenever they had a main character surrounded.

>>219814569
It sucked because fans had followed along for almost a full decade, watching beloved characters die, a sprawling story of deceit, treachery, honour, romance, duty, and cunning unfold, all centred around the single idea of "Winter is coming" which would be an existential threat to all the characters still alive. Only to have all of the characters turn into drooling retards for the whole final season just so the plot could actually work. The epic battle of winter to be not only too dark to actually see anything (like AVP: R dark) with the show runners blaming the audience for watching it on their laptops or pirating shitty copies, but for the battle to amount to essentially nothing that was resolved by the ultimate bad guy being murdered by a little girl with a glass knife and his death making his whole army explode, and for the really final battle to involve the character most people had been rooting for the whole show (Daenerys) to have a complete character 180 and become a super villain, complete with Nazi symbology and genocide to really hammer it home. With the result being bunch of main characters just wandering off and the rest deciding that they should have a council to vote on who should be king from now on. So not even establishing democracy, just an electoral college.

Honestly the whole thing turned out to be a decade long edging session with a ruined orgasm because the original creator is a fat lazy fuck and the show-runners had let their ego drive them up their own asses.

>>219814569
From my memory shit were turning gradually from bad to worst the last 3 seasons. Showrunners were tired and gettings expeditives with a lot of things. The first cracks appared when characters, armys and fleets would cross insanes distances in merely a day or so. A lot of characters were unceremoniously and awkwardly killed off because they were very obvioulsy threatening to make the plot more long and complex.
Thought the public in general was eating it all up with a thumb up until the last episode where Daenerys snaped and burned the whole city. That was what truly set the mass against the show. They fucking loved Daenerys and saw her as a iconic noblebright hero. Arguably they could have shown some more obvious sign about what was coming but that's nowhere near the most offensive shit they pulled out of the last season

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>>219814822
Yes, the show was constantly foreshadowing that Dany is fucking crazy, but the part where she snapped was still way too rushed. She was supposed to start slowly losing it as her invasion of Westeros fell apart. Burning Kings Landing should have been act of crazed desperation, flipping the table over cause she’s losing the war, not just some petty act of spite because her gf got killed.

>>219814941
don't forget the Night King's strategic genius
>your entire species relies on you being alive
>want to kill the three-eyed-raven personally because fuck that guy in particular
>but enemies have weapons capable of one-tapping you
>ok but your army is demolishing them, so you can just sit back and wait until everyone else is dead
>nah just go in the heart of the enemy's forces during the battle so a little girl can pull a juggling trick and OHKO your entire race and win the war
what the fuck was that all about?

Dany never turned to the dark side, she did what she believed was right.

>>219814948
You're closer than most but the main reason is that Game of Thrones stopped being kino after the first 3 seasons and stopped being good at all around season 5. People just pretended to keep liking it because they had made it a part of their identity. When they did the final episode, all that hate spilled out and they directed it all towards why it ended like that, when it had already become pointless for years before that.

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>>219814899
Dany's chimpout doesn't make sense. Whatever happens in King's Landing in the books (that will never be finished) will almost certainly involve a character cut from the show called Jon Connington. "The bells" are speficially a reference to his backstory because his greatest regret in life was failing to defeat Robert Barathen and put an end to the rebellion in "the battle of the bells" where his attempt to spare civilians cost him a victory he could have easily achieved had he just ruthlessly burned the town Robert was hiding in to the ground. A town that sounded bells to warn Robert that he was coming for him.

Jon Connington is now attempting to put (who he thinks anyway) Aegon Targaryen VI on the throne and when Dany defeats him in King's Landing and "the bells" ring out again, I could seem him getting literally triggered and deliberately setting off the wildfire caches all around the city.

>>219815081
Terrible writing.

>>219814569
nobody gave a fuck about making something high quality. that's literally it. people were gonna watch it no matter what. so they kiked out. the show wasn't even that special to begin with. tv will always be a goyslop medium designed to waste time.

>>219815133
>Game of Thrones stopped being kino after the first 3 seasons and stopped being good at all around season 5.
Well yes, and I almost included that, but I felt it better to keep my answer focused on why the final season specifically sucked goat anus.

>>219815135
>Dany's chimpout doesn't make sense
it wasn't well written but imo it does make sense:
she was shown to have the potential to act rashly and cruelly from the start, and Targaryen madness was a known variable, she thought she'd find support in the west but in reality people didn't want her, she thought that she had a claim to the throne but found out that Jon had a stronger claim while also being beloved by his people, she lost one of her treasures dragons against the white walkers and then another one in King's Landing, her burning a bit of the city down after that wasn't that crazy

>>219815135
Nobody knows about the Wildfire caches genius. If anyone sets them off it will be because of all the dragon fire reigning down all over the city

>>219815146
>tv will always be a goyslop medium designed to waste time.
Says the morbidly obese brown complaining about Jews on an anime image board.

>>219814569
The same thing that was bad about the previous 3 and a half seasons.

>>219814569
The final 4 seasons were shit.
The single dumbest thing was the big fight against the zombie dudes. You either need fire or a special material to kill them. Just before the fight starts, a fire priestess arrives completely unexpectedly, and sets alight all the cavalries (the biggest army) weapons so they will be effective. This means that the original plan was to send out the entire cavalry to die and join the side of the dead as their weapons would be completely ineffective.

>>219814859
You are correct. I overheard a Taco Bell employee ask another if she's having a baby. She replied, "Fuck no! If I got pregnant I'd fucking kill it!" 20 years ago, she would have tried to sound like "it's just a clump of cells" instead of admitting she's ok with murdering her own baby. I tried to see if she had a star of david necklace but I didn't feel like looking at her that closely.

Most of what people are saying here is all true but I just want to also add that Cersei as the "final boss" was extremely retarded and really took away from the final conflict

>>219815375
it's funny to see people say shit like "the series was 9/10 until the last season, which was 2/10", despite the fact that by season 7 the overall quality had already dropped by an insane amount

>>219815335
He can find out about them if Cersei and Tyrion did genius. It's not like the pyromancers wouldn't be leaping at the chance to show it off to a new Targ administration in KL. My point is "Guy whose biggest regret in life is not burning down a city associated with ringing bells" is being set up narratively to do just that.

I think Dany will be blamed for it and not know he did it, sure.

>>219815451
Or maybe dany is playing the role of jon connington and Jon is playing the role of Robert at the battle of the bells, and in tragic ironic fashion, dany has the balls to do what Jon couldn’t and burn down the city while the bells ring out

>>219815438
true, a retarded cunt that has stumbled her way into her position (and who has no reason to still care about anything after all her children have died), is hardly a threatening or interesting villain to end the story on

>>219815081
>Just march towards the living, bro
Zombies have always been retarded in every show or movie since the dawn of time. There's no reason to believe the night kang would be any different. They never made any decision that would require >50 IQ throughout the whole show.

>>219814720
she executed a few people who undermined her campaign. slaughtering an entire city is quite a different ballpark.

>>219815552
>slaughtering an entire city is quite a different ballpark
One of danys first scenes is her khalasar slaughtering an entire city to fund her invasion

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>>219814569
The slayqueen girlboss didn't get together with the male hero and they didn't ride together in the sunset.

That's the real reason people disliked it despite whatever they may claim. The show had been utter unwatchable amateur shit for years by that point and qualitywise the last season wasn't different in any way.

>>219815482
Woah, that’s gotta be it! It even matches the prophecy of waking dragons from stone. Jon is turning into stone from grey scale, and his refusal to surrender causes dany to “wake her dragon”, the thing viserys used to say before he crashed out

>>219815603
>her khalasar
Technically it wasn’t hers and she didn’t approve either.

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>>219814941
I bet my left nutsack on that they thought of the visual of the burning swords in the distance getting snuffed out and wrote the rest afterwards, even if it's completly nonsensical

>>219814585
D&D cope

>>219815516
he was at least smart enough to get that dude with the daughterwives to give him all his sons so he could turn them into white walkers and build up his army while he remained mostly hidden, sounds more intelligent what he displayed in the final battle

>>219814569
watch Lindsay Ellis video about it, or if you want more brainrotted opinion watch critical drinker

>>219814696
Nope. Cersei is the one who's not the good guy. They truly didn't understand her character. When she complained that men were evil and never gave her a chance, they agreed with her despite she never did anything to prove then wrong. She wasn't dumb, but she was reckless, impulsive, and the main reason why Joffrey became a monster (that's why Kevan wanted her away from Tommen). Her character was basically "entitled feminist who thinks male privilege is a real thing" and the writers thought this was an statement of empowerment.

>>219814720
She crucified the slavers who crucified children to spite her. How is that evil? This is the equivalent of sending pedophiles to a woodchipper for real. Are we evil for asking for that?

>>219815081
Why even give that scene a second's thought or consideration? The showrunners didn't.

>>219814569
The show went to shit on season 5 really, but season 8 wasnt simply bad, it was "we do not care anymore" bad. It was 6 episodes for some reason every character deccision is random or nonsensical, every plot thread was unceremoniously choped, i really can not think of a finale worse than that

>>219814569
Emilia has one of the most facial friendly faces i have ever seen

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>>219815851
Elaborate on this.

>>219814720
Quit coping, they gave her conningtons arc because they didnt know what else to do

>>219815317
It "makes sense" the same way jon arriving at kings landing and just killing everybody would "make sense"

>>219815865
It means that Emilia is very beautiful and I want to have a variety of sexual intercourse with her.

>>219815865
Her face is very aerodinamic, well, i should rather say spermodinamic

>>219815877
Idk I think these anons nailed it
>>219815482
>>219815677

>>219815482
The only two Jon Con chapters we have (and that's a pity because they're good) are so close to yell at you that Jon is gonna snap and burn down a city. He dreams of how he lost the war because he was noble and didn't burn down a small town where Robert Baratheon was hiding. The sound of the bells harass him in his dreams.
I don't think Jon C will get a dragon, but he's likely involved in the destruction of KL and he will hear the bells reminding him he's become Tywin Lannister, which is also painfully foreshadowed in the books. D&d likely read the notes about the scene and made Dany do it instead because they didn't have JonC as a character. JonC is the one whose character starts as a good guy who just wants to prove himself, loses a battle, has been resentful for almost a decade, and now wants to get even even if he loses his soul in the process, and most likely will regret it once he does it. That's not Dany.

>>219815829
because it was egregiously stupid even by the low standards that late GoT had set and it pissed me off

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I mean in hindsight they could have spared like 90 seconds to show Daenerys and Miss Sundae were actually friends at some point in the last 2 seasons, maybe use some of the 35 minutes they spent showing KL on fire.
I know theres a scene they’re talking about languages right before Dany steps naked out of the tub (Season 2)
And theres a scene where Dany is asking her about exactly how castrated the unsullied are (i think season 3)
But its not like Jon and Sam where they do very much to show they’re friends, which is part of a larger pattern of them writing Danaerys to sound like a bitch for most of the show. Ironically shes very unlikeable right until you are supposed to start hating her at which point she becomes very sympathetic because she sacrifices her army and begins to be bullied by Sansa.

>>219815957
I think he wont burn down the city himself, he will capture it, sperg out because of trauma and start doing some nonos (probably after finding out he wasnt actually fighting for rhaegars son) and some actual faegon loyalist (duckfield maybe) will throw him down the well, poisoning the waters and causing a grey plague that could only be stopped by the city burning, same as it happened in london

>>219815957
That's a very clever connection. But then Jon will need another reason to kill Dany, which I pretty sure is supposed to happen based on Dany's experience in the House of the Undying.

>>219815914
Jon has said almost textual that he will have to become Tywin Lannister if he must in order to make Rhaegar's son king. And Tywin actually sacked a city and ordered the murder of babies to achieve that. He is absolutely involved somehow in destroying either King's Landing or any other major city.

>>219815972
Yeah, it was pants on head retarded, I'm just highlighting how D&D gave zero fucks. Even when Maisie told her boyfriend Arya would be killing the Night King he apparently said "shouldn't it be Jon?"

>>219815997
>until you are supposed to start hating her at which point she becomes very sympathetic
Funny how that happens. The writers try too hard into making the audience like/dislike someone it has the complete opposite affect. Too many hacks in hollywood

>>219816032
Could be, but I think he's rather heading North and meet Snow there. I don't think it's casual that he's named Jon. Martin wants him to connect somehow with the son of the man he loved. Jorah's role also takes some from Jon. Maybe he's the one cured by Sam at some point.

>>219816058
kek, oh yeah there was also all that profecy that amounted to nothing at all and was just quietly dropped

>>219815957
>The only two Jon Con chapters we have are so close to yell at you that Jon is gonna snap and burn down a city. He dreams of how he lost the war because he was noble and didn't burn down a small town where Robert Baratheon was hiding. The sound of the bells harass him in his dreams.
I’m just saying, as much as it seems like it’s foreshadowing Jon breaking bad to win the war by burning the city, there’s also an equal possibility that it’s actually foreshadowing dany doing that TO Jon. He finds himself backed into a corner, hiding among the small folk of kings landing as they shelter beloved aegon, paralleling Robert at the battle of the bells. Dany finds herself in the same position as Jon all those years ago but she’s not a griffin she’s a dragon

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>>219815081
>a little girl can pull a juggling trick
azor ahai whatever happened there?

>>219815317
>Targaryen madness
that's not a real thing. the mad king got buttraped and tortured so bad he want crazy. most targs are just shitty not crazy

>>219814585
why did they need the books when they had pretty much diverged from the books starting season 4?
they should have just worked with the bullet points george gave them

>>219816136
True, that's also a possibility. Jon still would hear the bells.
Thing is, while I do think this is possible, Jon's foreshadowing is not just him burning a city, but there is some hints saying he's becoming more like Tywin. This, imo, means he's gonna be involved in something very shitty.

>>219816058
i still subscribe to the theory of jaime being the prince who was promised

>>219816223
Well they have to at least kill Tommen before Aegon can become king.

>>219816209
Those bullet points likely involved characters they decided not to include. A lot of characters are just let loose if you cut the Griffins or Stoneheart. Look how bad Dorne turned out when they cut Arianne.

>>219814569
God I miss high res unfiltered photos of women. Feels like she's right there in front of me. My dick is hard now thinking about holding her soft pale skin as I shove my rod deep between her plump cheeks.

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>>219816150
>And the prince that was promised? Where is he now?

>>219816058
Even funnier was Brans actor thinking that bran being king was a joke.

>>219815779
He became overconfident. His enemy was getting BTFO so hard that he thought killing the raven with his own hands was not a bad idea.
Also people forget that the three eyed raven might have acted in every way possible to have this exact outcome happen because he knew those ice niggas would want to cut his throat themselves.

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>>219814569
>but what was so bad about the final season?
Even Emilia had enough of D&D's nonsense by the end

>>219816431
>destroyed the biggest show of its time for star wars
funny they never even got their shitty star wars movies because they burned their rep hard

>>219816896
in fairness, nearly everyone else got their Star Wars movies cancelled too, up to even Feige.

>>219814585
It hit all the same bullet points as Grim's planned ending, if he ever finishes the books (wont) it may take a different path, but the results will be the same.

>>219816209
>>219816275
there isn't a single good character introduced in books 4 and 5 and Dorne fucking sucks in the books, too. At least the show cut it loose when they realized it wasn't working, whereas the fat man continues to double down

>>219816896
>>219816920
>le DnD lost their star wars movie because le disney hated season 8!!!

No, they got a $200 million overall deal from Netflix so they walked from Star Wars. The real-life headcanon that fanboys will invent to fulfill their need to concoct revenge fantasies against DnD is hilarious

>>219816962
This is like if you adapted the first season as 10 hours of midget niggers dancing riverdance before someone shoots Ned Stark with a shotgun and then absolute fucking retards like you go "well it's the same result".

>>219816150
>>219816362
>Melisandre and Cersei's entire arcs are about the dangers of prophecy and how assuming you know the future can cause you to ignore the present leading to disaster
>dipshit ASOIAF fanboys actually thought there would be an unironic, literal chosen one who would defeat the dark lord in an EPIC lightsaber duel with the power of friendship

>>219817046
That timing doesn’t match up at all.

>>219814690
Doesn't she only show her tits in the first episode?

>>219814569
It was rushed so the showrunners could get to work on all the cool projects they got because GoT was so successful. The last season was so poorly received that all the different producers pulled out and D&D got sent to Hollywood jail.

>>219817119
>Game of Thrones’ Creators Close $200M Netflix Overall Deal (August 7th, 2019)
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/game-thrones-creators-close-200m-netflix-deal-1230119/

>‘Star Wars’ Setback: ‘Game Of Thrones’ Duo David Benioff & D.B. Weiss Exit Trilogy (October 28th, 2019)
https://deadline.com/2019/10/star-wars-setback-game-of-thrones-duo-david-benioff-d-b-weiss-exit-trilogy-1202771184/

They got a huge sweetheart once in a lifetime deal from Netflix, so they walked from Star Wars. There is absolutely no evidence that Disney cared about the reception to Game of Thrones' final season. S8 whiners are just hysterical children who NEED DnD to suffer because they're mad that Jon wasn't le epic chosen one or that Daenerys turning evil was a BETRAYAL of feminism

>>219817209
>keeps these saved
NTA but you’re running cover for these nepo Jews for free and you should honestly consider suicide. Disney dodged a bullet anyway because their Netflix show also sucks ass.

>>219817268
It takes five seconds to google, but I accept your concession, manbaby.

>>219817274
No you had that saved, don’t deny it faggot.

>>219815146
Darkplace is not a waste of time and brought a lot of joy to my life, so fuck you buddy

>>219817132
she gets naked twice in the first season, once in the third, and then once in the sixth

Emilia Clarke asked the nudity to be a bit less gratuitous but she was never opposed to being naked in and of itself. Natalie Dormer outright refused to do nudity once she made main cast though.

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/ecg/bros. She gained some weight back

>>219817375
season 6 thicc dany is the hottest emilia clarke has ever been

>>219815068
the entire point of the targaryens is most of them were fucking nuts, not desperate and lashing out
>>219815825
maybe don't try to destroy an entire civilisation because slavery is le heckin' bad then

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>>219816431

I'm not even some hardcore /pol/ warrior but I really want to see Jews kept out of media where their neuroticism drags it down. EG anything besides comedy, surrealism, etc.

I mean, you have all these bougie Gen X and Millennial writers and directors who lack life experience being handed these huge projects and mucking them up because they've never actually doing physical labor or spent time away from city comforts. Whereas something like Platoon felt authentic because Oliver Stone actually was in Vietnamn.

>>219817430
Game of Thrones was the largest production television had ever seen and Benioff and Weiss released it once a year, every year, for six years, taking a little bit more time for seasons 7 and 8 because the scale of the production increased even more. Meanwhile HotD is shot entirely on sound stages in London and the gentiles making that show need three years lmao.

You can absolutely criticize Benioff and Weiss for creative decisions made once they ran out of books but to pretend they were these inept nepo hires who mismanaged the production when they made the most popular and successful show to ever exist is fucking delusional lmao

>>219817527
>they were these inept nepo hires who mismanaged the production
They were though, they've basically admitted it themselves. The production side worked despite them, not because of them. As did casting, wardrobe, writing and basically all the things that were good during the good seasons. They just stood around the professionals and got paid because one of them is the son of an important Goldman Sachs banker.

>>219817605
You're the retard confusing creative decisions with mismanagement of the production because you just want to whine about da jooz

>>219817605
>they just stood around the professionals and got paid
NTA but isn't that the only thing most bosses do though?
I see nothing wrong with that really, as long as you have picked the right team that gets shit done for you.

>>219817682
You know who handles the production side? THE FUCKING PRODUCERS

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>>219817209
I bet Netflix regrets that. Their new show is forgettable as fuck desu.

>>219817735
Benioff and Weiss WERE the producers, retard!!!!

>>219817797
You don't have to shout that you have no idea what you're talking about, we already know.

>>219817841
Benioff and Weiss were the showrunners and top billed executive producers. Game of Thrones was their show.

>A showrunner is the top-level executive producer of a television series.[1][2][3][4] The position outranks other creative and management personnel, including episode directors, in contrast to feature films, in which the director has creative control over the production, and the executive producer's role is limited to investing.[5]

Let's be frank, though, you're not concerned with reality, you just want to cry about media not going the way your headcanon wanted and blaming jewish cultural subversion

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>>219817527
>they were these inept nepo hires who mismanaged the production
They were. Their apathy torpedoed the series and they deserve all the scorn they get for their laziness just like the fat man. Fuck off with your bootlicking.

>>219817999
>yeah why didn't they just stick with the show for another five years so we could see EPIC characters like Faegon, Lady Stonheart the edgy revenge zombie and DARKSTAR (for he is of the night)

lmao

>>219817921
>Benioff and Weiss were the showrunners and top billed executive producers.
As opposed to, you know, producers.

>>219818028
>The position outranks other creative and management personnel
retard

>>219817003
It's not about being good or not, rather about the consistency of the characters.

>>219818055
There's no need to continue further, you already embarrassed yourself.

>>219818083
I don't know what that means. What was "inconsistent"? Because in my experience that's used for Dany stans whining that their eugenicist fascist dragon lady ended up being evil, or that they couldn't emotionally handle Jaime's relapse and that he died tragically.

>>219817085
two women being retarded proves nothing in a world where magic and gods are real, Jon's heritage also was treated as a big deal only to be dropped out of convenience so it's safe to say that the prophecy got a similar treatment. The downfall of Stannis already shows the danger and ambiguity of prophecies, if anything making the whole thing a farce weakens the message

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>>219818025
>you just wanted your headcanon!
No Mr straw man. I just didn’t want blatant stupidity and laziness like the dorthaki all dying and then coming back two episodes later and Arya teleporting like Kurt Wagner to kill the night king.

>>219817527
Yeah GoT must have been crazy to make, even in the first season you’ve got Jon at the wall, Robb in the riverlands and Dany basically in the desert all in one episode with dozens of extras and shit in some scenes. And a shit load of child actors on top of everything else, horses, people doing nudity. It must have been insanely difficult from a production standpoint.
Compare that to mad men that uses the same sets all season and people go nuts because they found a table lighter from the 60’s to use

>>219817085
GRRMs whole thing is that the prophecies do come true. Cerseis entire arc is running away from the childhood prophecy that comes true anyway.

It's just not obvious in the show because D&D are fucking retards who managed to miss even that.

>>219818164
>dothraki all dying and then coming back two episodes later
People exaggerate the fuck out of this. Dany came to Westeros with ~80k dothraki, and during the final battle in King's Landingg we see a few hundred at most. and even if we take your complaints at face value, I don't think a continuity error is the smoking gun you think it is. That's just you obfuscating your actual intentions (you were wounded that your headcanon didn't pan out, and are trying to paint the showrunners as incompetent to legitimize your whining)

>Arya teleporting like Kurt Wagner to kill the night king.
No one is able to explain why this is bad beyond "It should have been Jon because he is LE CHOSEN ONE!!! DON'T YOU KNOW HE WAS *SUPPOSED* TO DEFEAT THE DARK LORD LIKE IN EVERY OTHER FANTASY STORY!!!!

The White Walkers themselves were a nothingburger storyline to begin with that not even George knew what to do with, so they were never going to amount to anything beyond a big dumb battle. People were looking for resolution to them that never existed within the story

>>219818260
>Cerseis entire arc is running away from the childhood prophecy that comes true anyway.
Did this come true because it was predestined, or because Cersei allowed the prophecy to cloud her judgment and made enemies with absolutely fucking everybody which allowed the prophecy to fulfill itself?

>>219814569
It really not so much "this final season was bad" as the showrunners making lazy, baffling and retarded decisions all the way through seasons 4-7 which finally culminate in the final season. Its when it becomes clear there was no plan.

>>219818356
seasons 5 and 6 absolutely have flaws but pretending they are bad is silly. Pretending season 4 is bad is outright dishonest contrarianism most likely motivated by "oh no they cut ser glup of house shitto nooo writing is...LE BAD!!!"

>>219818320
Well that's the question, isn't it?

In the books. Not in the show, because in the show the prophecy goes wrong from the beginning and has no reason to even be included in the show in the first place.

>>219818290
I think its less about the Dothraki at KL (which is a pretty good thing to keep in since she’s literally unleashing barbarians on the capital) and more about the charge at Winterfell in the first place which is a very silly thing to have done and it’s hard to imagine Danaerys just using her people as sacrificial lambs to literally no effect

>>219818394
5 and 6 are utter shit. 4 is half good and half utter shit and it's not hard to tell which half comes straight from the books.

>>219818290
>People exaggerate the fuck out of this
Didn’t dumb and dumber say that was essentially the end of the dorthaki?

>>219818260
The prophecy did come tru in an unexpected way though, Jon (azor ahai) had to kill his love (nissa nissa) to save the world (from dany)

>>219818290
>No one is able to explain why this is bad
They have on multiple occasions you just don’t want to hear it. Apart it from it looking like Arya jumped off a trampoline, Arya had only found out who the night king even was like two episodes before she kills him so there’s no impact, it was just subverting expectations for the sake of subverting expectations.

>>219818428
A few hundred survivors of a khalasar of 80k could reasonably be considered the end of them, yes

>>219818427
Season 4 is good because it's adapting the best parts of Storm while filling it in with high-quality OC. Oberyn in the show is made up almost entirely of OC and people loved it and it made Pedro Pascal a star.

>>219818394
Nah 4 was shit you just didn't realize. It's not "ser glup of house shitto" that gets cut it's the culmination of Tyrion's entire character arc, which makes him completely useless as a character in the following seasons, and that's just one example. The only good bits of 4 are the ones taken straight from the book, and because of the changes they make it gets harder to follow the books in the following seasons.

>>219818290
>The White Walkers themselves were a nothingburger storyline to begin with
they were presented as a looming threat from the very start, Jon Snow's POV revolves around them, and they ended up being the biggest, final threat in the end(King's Landing was just a victory lap).
Saying that finishing the final climax of the story on a wet fart because 8 seasons of setup was a "nothingburger" is utterly retarded, and the idea that fat man didn't know what to do with them is baseless and irrelevant.
I haven't read the books and I had zero theories about how the show had to end, I still found the last season disappointing and retarded

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>>219818509
>high-quality OC

>>219818529
>muh tysha
Absolutely would not have worked in a visual medium, retard. Tyrion almost never talks about Tysha outwardly in the books, she's kept almost entirely to his internal monologue. The show was never going to be able to get the audience invested in Tyrion's ex-wife and it's not worth investing the amount of time required to do so, especially because Tyrion already has myriad enough reasons to want Tywin dead at that point.

>which makes him completely useless as a character in the following seasons,
Tyrion's Dance chapters are the worst of the entire fucking series and I cannot believe that we have reached a level of contrarianism that people now pretend to like WHEREDOWHORESGO?

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>Some Reddit retard is defending DND
Kek

>>219818608
Shansha hasn't had a chapter in 20 years btw

>>219818600
>he didn't appreciate Pennykino

>>219818600
>Tyrion almost never talks about Tysha outwardly in the books,
Hmm, almost like something you would change in a TV adaption. D&D didn't care and didn't plan ahead and in the end we ended up with nothing.
>WHEREDOWHORESGO?
And what did we get instead of that? That's right. Four seasons of dick jokes.

>>219818290
>The White Walkers themselves were a nothingburger storyline
Any final boss is like that in any story, we almost don't see or hear about them until the very end. The mystery around them is done to keep people curious and hooked, but it's quite obvious that they are the story's greater evil, even in the books. That being said, the conclusion is very underwhelming for many reasons.

>>219818529
>it's the culmination of Tyrion's entire character arc,

No its not, because Tyrion never does anything afterwards in the books he just has a travelogue.

>>219818752
>Hmm, almost like something you would change in a TV adaption
An absolute waste of time. Why spend an inordinate amount of time getting the audience invested in a character who doesn't actually appear? Unless you suggest that Tysha should have actually shown up during the trial, or something?

>That's right. Four seasons of dick jokes.
It's really weird that people get hysterically upset over this when George himself loved toilet humor and gross metaphors

>>219818509
>A few hundred survivors of a khalasar of 80k could reasonably be considered the end of them
There were no survivors you fucking moron, you see they were the first wave and you literally see all their lights go out and afterwards in kings landing they're still in fighting condition. That’s not “the end of anything. Do you even remember the garbage you’re shilling for?

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Dany never should have gone crazy and they should have just ruled together as king and queen. Many would still complain that it's too safe and predictable, but it's a hell of a lot better than what we got.

>>219818825
Holy fuck you're stupid. No wonder you enjoy the later seasons of GoT.

>>219818792
Nobody really did anything in the last two books to be fair. Geroge was 100% wrong when he said the timeskip wouldn't work.

>>219818833
You see scattered dothraki run back to the front lines in the Long Night, though. That shows there were at least a few survivors - I'm not interested in hemming and hawing over the specific numbers, because the dothraki aren't depicted at full strength in the final episodes like whiners pretend they are.

> Do you even remember the garbage you’re shilling for?
Better than you, evidently

>>219814569
Nothing, it was just typical retards waiting for the thing that would make their sunk cost worth it even though the show had been bad longer than it was good

>>219818825
He gets dumber every season

>>219818861
I'd take a messy ending that stays true to itself over a squeaky clean crowd-pleasing ending that betrays what the story was supposed to be about because they were afraid of upsetting the fans (Breaking Bad)

>>219818825
Why not cut Lyanna too then? And the Mad King? Also George might very well have planned for her to show up later on, but we'll never know. You also seem to forget they had a whole long scene in season 1 setting up the Tysha backstory and no one complained.
Also the problem isn't really the dick jokes so much that it is only dick jokes.

>>219818897
Asinine contrarian faggot this has been discussed to death already

>>219819014
>ugh I almost have to deal with the fact that my argument was incorrect...shut up loser don't you know it's just...BAD? YOU HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE BRAINLET HIVEMIND

I accept your concession.

>>219818861
>Jon gets the Aragorn ending
Seeing George's reaction to this would have been hilarious.

>>219819034
Oh you got me dude

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>decide to go against the books and keep character alive
>since his purpose is fulfilled in the books, have no guideline on how to continue the character's arc
>he just keeps being brought back to life
>... in order to die to like 3 zombies in the final battle
What da hell....

>>219818861
Npc take

>>219814569
>what was so bad about the final season?
What if you let people without the slighest writing ability in charge of something that requires solid skills?

>>219819128
god works in mysterious ways

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>>219818632
Yeah George is a lazy fucker, doesn’t change the fact that dnd are tards.

>>219819128
In the books, Beria gives the kiss of life to catelyn, and in the recently leaked winds outline she then gives the kiss of life to Jaime, who then commits to protecting the stark children. Maybe the books are closer to the show and Arya is important in stopping the others and Jaime gives his life to save her, so like the show, beric was revived so that Arya could eventually do something important

>>219815496
I maintain that it would’ve been hilarious if she won. Dumb, spiteful nepo-cunt who ruins everything stumbles into total victory because the good guys exhausted their resources fighting a world-ending ancient evil. Priceless.

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>Dany never should have gone crazy and they should have just ruled together as king and queen. Many would still complain that it's too safe and predictable, but it's a hell of a lot better than what we got

>>219814720
It’s true that many normies didn’t really hate the finale for the terrible writing, but because their favorite character ‘turned’ evil.
And yes, dark side Dany was in the cards from the beginning. She happens to do a lot of the right things, but mostly for the wrong reasons. She’s a deeply selfish person who isn’t going to set out to hurt innocent people, but is definitely okay with it if it means she gets what she feels she deserves. And she’s a little too comfortable visiting unspeakable atrocities on anyone she feels ‘deserves it.’
But burning King’s Landing still felt absolutely retarded, and it was hammered home by that confused look she has on her face while riding her dragon. The bells are ringing. It’s over and she’s just like “nah, let’s burn some shit anyway.” Even as someone waiting for her wicked ways to become apparent, it still felt silly.

>>219818897
>because the dothraki aren't depicted at full strength in the final episodes like whiners pretend they are.
They looked well ranked to me and lot more than the few scatterers who come back. Not really “the end of the dorthaki” is it?

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>>219819134
>Satisfying endings are LE BAD
>You must shock the audience or subvert le expectations!

>>219818529
>it’s the culmination of Tyrion’s entire character arc
Which is good. Don’t blame 4 for the mistakes and the later seasons. They could’ve come up with more for him, they just didn’t.

>>219819774
>watch Subversion: The Show
>get upset when it doesn't have a fairytale ending
You are a dumbass

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>>219819944
But wouldn’t subverting the subversive nature of the show be the ultimate subversion?

>>219820043
No it wouldn't, it would be an even more unsatisfying ending that what we got.

>>219820043
It would be a cheap betrayal of the spirit of itself

>>219818608
this killed the show for me permanently. anyone who felt disappointed after the last season only have themselves to blame for not seeing it coming.

>>219819944
>subversion the show
I mean at that point why not make Arya or Sam the king? Both would be more capable at the job and equally unexpected. But you got me. "I can never be lord of anything" becoming king was super subversive.

>>219819499
Imo they just never really frames any of the things she does in the east like crucifying people or burning people alive as supposed to be hinting that she was at risk of being unhinged. Like D&D definitely played as straight slayqueen moments.
Probably someone in westeros should have spend two minutes talking about all the things she did there and it might have gone down easier. But on the other hand she does burn Dickon alive

>>219820324
Bran being King makes sense in theory, even if it left a lot to be desired in execution. The very first proper chapter is from Bran's perspective as he learns what it means to rule judiciously and climbs up towers. His transformation into the three eyed raven pretty much fits into what someone like GRRM would see as an ideal ruler - a socratic philosopher-King removed from want and ambition, and through his understanding of human history he is able to lead it into a better future.

That you think things were just happening for the sake of LE SUBVERSION without any intention is because you are an unintelligent, incurious person who isn't capable of understanding the ideas that the writers were trying to communicate.

>>219820484
Not only that but they purposefully cut out the most vile and obviously evil thing where she has an innocent young girl tortured while Barristan repeats 57 times that half of Targaryens go mad while standing next to her.

And morons still missed that while reading the books kek.

>>219820324
At this point it's just speculation because we are never going to get the ending George was going to write but I assume his intention was to have Bran as an all knowing, not really human god king that mind rapes anybody who gets in his way. This would fit with George's "quibbling" with Tolkien and would give the series the bittersweet ending he was aiming for.

>>219818998
>messy ending that stays true to itself and isn’t squeaky clean
The irony is that was the opposite. It was a squeaky clean ending that doesn’t stay true to itself. After her death, Danys army just packs up and leaves in single file with no resistance whatsoever and then there’s bran. So much of the show and story is about the struggle to gain support to take the throne and how much damn work it takes. Bran being named king with no objection whatsoever despite not really doing anything goes against that, and the spinoffs, and like 90% GRRM story. The only thing that remotely makes any sense is if they want us to believe it’s a bad ending and Westeros will be in another civil war in a few months, but that was clearly not their intention.

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>>219815607
/thread
the only answer

>>219820561
>The only thing that remotely makes any sense is if they want us to believe it’s a bad ending and Westeros will be in another civil war in a few months, but that was clearly not their intention.

>Did we do the right thing?
>Ask me again in 10 years
The ending ISN'T presented as a squeaky-clean catch-all solution for all of Westeros' problems.

>>219820560
>At this point it's just speculation because we are never going to get the ending George was going to write but I assume his intention was to have Bran as an all knowing, not really human god king that mind rapes anybody who gets in his way. This would fit with George's "quibbling" with Tolkien and would give the series the bittersweet ending he was aiming for.

But what was Bran the Broken's tax policy?

>>219820624
Use his mind powers to force people to pay their taxes against their will. It's pretty much the Law ending of the Shin Megami Tensei games.

>>219820519
The most privileged minds of the realm deciding to make an unfit person as their emperor because the experiences of his human and inhuman life make him humble doesn't sound like a natural, smart, or workable idea. Obviously the writers had other projects they wanted to do and GRRM could write this to be better, but remember that Bran doesn't do much of anything, he spends his seasons in hiding, on his journey, he tells Sam the truth about Jon, and then in the last season, all he does is act as bait for the Night King. He was a piss poor lord before his journey, the men of Winterfell saw Jon as the King of the North even with Bran there. He follows the wrong religion in a very religious society. He has negative charisma. He's from a family nobody in the South gives two shits about. His family just helped destroy King's Landing. On top of this he is elected King during a trial for treason that had like a dozen lords at, 90% of them being Stark family or loyalists. Pushed for it for a treasonous kinslaying dwarf. How is that not seen as a coup that starts a civil war? On top of that his first acts of King would be to shit on Dorne and the Iron Islands by giving the North independence, Shit on the Citadel and Night's Watch and the North by making Sam Grandmaester and shitting all over the Reach by making Bronn Lord of Highgarden. Then he basically gives power of the kingdom to a kinslaying dwarf that just led Daenerys to destroy King's Landing, which would piss off everyone else.

>>219815445
It was at least watchable until the end of season 6 even if the the quality had began to dip. Season 7 is where it started getting truly awful

>>219814569
people wanted dany to not go completely crazy because they self insert as her and jon snu

>>219815607
You're right, that's the main reason why I disliked it. It had certainly nothing to do with the rushed writing, plotholes, multiple character assassinations and the complete lack of logic.

>>219820619
>The ending ISN'T presented as a squeaky-clean catch-all solution for all of Westeros' problems
It literally is though, there are no consequences of danys assainiation which realistically there would’ve been. The dorthaki wouldn’t just leave single file after this, their culture literally dictates blood if their leader is slain. There are no issues with brans accession, it’s just accepted without argument. We what we the audience sees is the end, we won’t see ten years later, and what we see is a squeaky clean ending.

>>219820763
All of this is valid, but for the sake of the show reaching a conclusion I am able to accept that after a decade of devastating war, Bran was allowed to rule as a superficially weak ruler that kept the balance of power between the six kingdoms mostly even. Maybe you're right and there WAS another civil war within 5 years, I think the show leaves it open ended enough for that to be a valid interpretation

>Battle of Fire
>Battle of Ice
>Battle of Steel
>Battle of Blood

Which are you looking forward to most? Which one is gonna be most kino? For me it's the Battle of Blood, Euron summoning krakens is gonna be insane.

>>219820942
You are right, there should have been a scourging of the shire where the remaining Dothraki and unsullied are ruthlessly hunted and slain. George has said that he always wondered what happened to the orcs after lotr, hinting that they would likely be genocided and he also said his book ending would be even darker so he’s probably gonna do just that

>>219820890
The phrase is "the gods flip a coin between madness and greatness" not "all targs always go totally insane"

>>219814569

The writing was just uninspired, rushed and dogshit. They wrapped up all of the plotlines with no creativity whatsoever. It's not even just season 8, the two seasons before it were kinda bad too. 5 was just okay.

>>219814569
I decided to maraton the show last week.
>but what was so bad about the final season?
Literally everything.

>>219818509
>Season 4 is good
Season 4 was shit and it was only downhill from there.
>Theon's sister spends months sailing around Westeros to save him
>Flees when she sees a shirtless Ramsay

>>219821484
>One sequence in one episode was a little goofy because they had to resolve the subplot of Yara vowing to rescue Theon even though the season didn't really have room for it
>Entire season is...LE BAD

>>219821209
>Literally everything.
First two episodes were perfectly fine.

>>219814569
The rape, it was beautiful

>>219815865
It’s the eyebrows

>>219821012
Battle of Cum

>Dany's going to destroy King's landing!
>No JonCon is!
>No Cersei is!
Doesn't matter because the book's never going to be released.

>>219816962
Aria can't be the one to kill the night king

all that talk of prophecy and the long night and shit and then the long night was one night long and the world didn't fall to darkness and aria just stabbed the popsicle with the glass and we're done.

>>219814723
his redemption failing is good, he should fail harder. He can't resist incest.

>>219822320
yup

>>219818861
Whatever. At leas the razing of the city looked good.

>>219818023
It was really sad to see Stannis' actor make comments implying he didn't understand the role and didn't get anything out of it buy money. Frankly if the others were more intelligent they would've been saying the same thing; Dinklage was playing a total nobody by the end, Tyrion's character had been completely stripped away by the showrunners.

>>219821577
>”Varys no balls!”
>”keep your queen warm uwu”
>”Sansa is like the smartest person ever”
>”why no elephants?!”
Episode 1 was crap. 2 was alright.

>>219815428
Take your meds nigga

Sex with Emilia's feet

>>219820947
At least you admit it’s retarded.

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>>219814569
>skip any scene involving:
>Bran after he gets pushed out of the tower (pretend he dies)
>Greyworm (simply doesn’t exist)
And the show is perfect kino.

>>219822956
>skip Bran
But then you miss Meera being hot.

unpopular opinion here: battle of the bastards sucked

Nearly every plotline came to an unsatisfying conclusion. It was painfully rushed as well. It's pretty amazing how they fucked it up so badly.

>>219823072
I’m here for kino not porn.

>>219823091
>Nearly
All of them. Really, all of them. Even Sandor, touted as one of the better ones, is inferior to his apparent conclusion in the books.

>>219817085
The entire game of thrones formula is to shit all over fantasy tropes in the beginning and then slowly build them back up until you appreciate they were awesome the whole time.

>>219822956
Schizo take

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>Show trying to shoe-horn in Missandei and Grey Worm as key players in the war

>>219814569
The bad bitch turned out to also be an evil bitch, surprising nobody paying attention to the show and the long, long history set before it but still pissing off the normies.

The Winterfell battle was unwatchable in that I could barely see a fucking thing when it aired

>>219823151
Literally why? I would almost want to say skip all sandsnakeshit too but then you miss out on my wife Cersei taking hideous revenge on them.

>>219823209
The sand snakes were as cringy in the books as they were in the show. Arguably more so, even. At least show snakes gave us a fresh 18 year old’s perfect tits

>>219815424
it was all part of the 4d keikaku to get the Night King to the godswood for Arya's OHKO

>>219823133
That sounds like headcanon. So power doesn't reside where men believe it resides, and divine right of kings ISN'T a meme, and there ARE divinely ordained, genetically superior chosen ones that DESERVE to rule over all of humanity?

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>>219823088

The first two thirds of the story was told over six seasons. Then over the final two seasons they tried to cram in the last third except they decided not to make as many episodes and spent a lot of time on stuff that ended up being pointless so really it was more like one season.

“I don’t know who my mother was.” —Jon Snow

>>219814569
D and D were very noticeably checked out thinking they were going on to direct star wars and just stopped giving a fuck. Then they ended up not getting SHIT because season 8 was so horrible that disney told them to fuck off

>>219823177
To be fair I think part of the problem with that stems from the perspectives of the books vs the show. In the only people we have PoVs from in Meereen are Dany, her sycophant and her simp. She is portrayed as wonderful because they believe she is wonderful. The dark reality will only be revealed when see Dany from the perspective of a person who doesn't worship the ground she walks on.

The show, by its very nature, is supposed to display a more objective version of events. D&D chose to portray Dany as she saw herself, which turned a fun twist from George into a 180 for the character.

>>219822629
Stephen Dillane having absolutely zero interest or understanding of fantasy is why he was a perfect Stannis, tho

>>219814585
it was grrm's ending though

>>219818290
>trying to paint the showrunners as incompetent
They did that on their own bro.

I'm just mad about arya killing ice satan and making jon snow completely pointless

>>219824668
jon SNOW killed the FIRE satan, though