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continuing discussion of Season 2's finale
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>>219817855
apparently him and langdon are able to balance having a family and not letting the work mess them up mentally. langdon only had an addiction issue once he helped his mom move furniture. the show accidentally wrote women as babies who need to be coddled
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yea. Robby and Langdon are bar none the best doctors in the show. Shawn Hatosy's character too. Robby literally never has a fuckup out of the 30 episodes so far. Whitaker is an amazing doctor too and isn't a mental headcase, but he's a rookie so he has some fuckups. The two brown doctors and happa doctor have constant mistakes and need to be scolded for it so the fanbase thinks Robby is misogynist jew hitler.
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>man sucks about that no life or whatever robbie, wish I could help ya
>*hops into truck delivered to him by his prime widow pussy*
>*starts blasting "alabama nigger" at max volume*
>*puts car in reverse*
>*rams into robbie's bike*
>just don't do it on my dayshift alright?
>*widows head is no longer visible in the passangers seat*
>*slams the pedal and leaves robbie in a cloud of smoke*
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>>219817984
Beat me to it.
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>>219818004
I thought it would end with Robby and Hashimi agreeing they both need to get help and leaving the ED but nope it ends with Robby screaming at her and somehow getting Mohan to apologize to him as well. Maybe Pitt Tumblr was right.
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>>219817855
Honestly he seems to be the most sane of them all for now, even if the widowed farmer is a bit strange.
>santos
lesbian cutter who has zero empathy besides for kids brought in by men
>robby
control freak, suicidal etc
>jivadi
idk seems like she was groomed from an early age to be a doctor
>mckay
foid with a kid, seems to be very high maintenance, had an ankle monitor
>mohan
too slow for the ER, lots of mommy issues
>dr sushi
"i can totally work despite seizures that could leave me incapacitated in a high stress life/death situation"
>mel
undersocialized weirdo that tries to play mother goose with her sister
>langdon
straight up steals drugs and glues the caps back on
is this the best american healthcare can do?
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Literally everyone knows he's going to off himself. yet no one does fuck all about it.
i enjoyed seeing pregnant woman boobs and pubes.
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>>219818096
Med school and residency is very rigorous and high stress, anyone that sticks with the program nowadays is guaranteed to have a job. And usually that means people have baggage especially in emergency medicine.
Healthcare in the US is imploding between insurance companies rigging the system, hospitals going into debt because people simply cannot pay, a lack of rural healthcare, you can go on and on and on. Total shitshow
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>>219818281
Doesnt have to be another mass shooting to be a good show, genius
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Why did Robby ruin her sleep
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>>219817984
/ourguy/ really bounced back from the rough start he had.
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>>219818518
It's just medslop. Nothing wrong with that but it's all that it is. People do not have anything nice to say about hospitals anymore.
It used to be a place you went to get better, now people just think of hospitals as a place you wait hours for mediocre care only to come home with a 6 digit bill.
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>>219818659
tortureporn season for Mel King, honestly. getting jealous of her sister, feeling like her sister is in danger, bring up her getting sued AGAIN, making her hold a black patients erect penis on screen. fuck this was terrible for Mel.
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>>219818676
Not everything has to build up to some culminating climax where Langdon acquires Whitakers ID and uses it to enter forma el benzos and execute revenge on Robbie, but is defeated by Dr AI and her AI while Santos cuts herself in stall number 4
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>>219818052
good catch
>>219818456
this guy was the funniest thing this season
>>219818470
it was brave not because it's a lib show but because it was illegal but morally correct
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>season 2
>she suddenly doesn't care about mateo anymore
>she lowkey agrees with her mom about ED being the lowest of the lows
>she doesn't give a shit about mckay really and talks shit behind her back
what kind of character assassination is this? we might get another Supriya Ganesh situation if Pitt doesn't tread carefully.
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How do you make subtitled WEBMs, Anon? Tell me your secrets.
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I tried to save one of the webms here but it was corrupted and now a scary abbot keeps looking at me in my most recent files
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>>219818299
Wonder if/when movies and shows will ever find a way to do fake babies and have them look convincing.
Or if perhaps, to some extent, when they do a fake baby they won't want it to look real.
This show's effects are all really good except for
>newborn babies
>penises
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when they say a patient has 90% chance he will die, that's incorrect. That number is for all patients with the same injuries/disease. Every patient has its own individual probability, based on age, general health, lifestyle and many other factors . But i'm gonna let it slide because irl doctors (oncologists especially) make that mistake all the time
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>>219817855
Whitaker is speedrunning Robby's life trajectory. Back in season 1 there was some background lore on Robby playing house with a woman in the past and its basically what Whitaker is doing. Its not really his family but he's co-opting it and trying to hold onto it. The same with his relationship with Santos, it may not be the most healthy relationship but he's keeping it because he has nothing else
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>>219817984
first legit laugh ive had here in months
great work
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>>219818676
It already served its purpose. Santos clinged to it as a way to make her shift easier, caused an issue with getting a transfer for a patient to a bed upstairs and then she had to forgo it completely when the power went out.
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>>219819562
but it leads to a lot of confusion and unnecesary drama. Let's say some cancer has 50% death rate within 5 years or something. Every patient with that cancer hears that thing and reacts accordingly. But in reality, there are things like blood type, some protein your body produces or not, some genes you have or don't and stuff like that, that makes it just few % death chance for some people and over 90% for others or something like that. But every patient hears it's a coinflip whether they will live or not
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>>219819749
How could you tell?
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according to Genius, the song Santos and Mel were singing is "the ultimate breakup song." Seeing as Santos got in a relationship with Garcia on day 1 of her job and now she's "broken up" with Garcia, I can infer Santos is one of those women who always needs to be dating someone and can't stay single. I hope she isn't trying to LesGroom Mel.
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>>219819219
He's not entirely wrong about jumping to higher heights. Acting is cut throat. You can think you're hot shit cause you happen to be part of a hit show, try to make it on your own and it's 99.999999% likely that you'll fail. A steady paycheck is a godsend for a typical actor and no one on the show is exceptional enough at this point to make it elsewhere.
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>>219819127
> we might get another Supriya Ganesh situation if Pitt doesn't tread carefully.
At this point the only Pitt drama I will find entertaining is not the one in the show but the one on twitter around it. If it all implodes in some spectacular way it'll make up for s2 having no MCI.
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>>219818500
I'm totally coping, but I halfway like the way Mohan is leaving the show so done. She's gotten nothing but shit from Robby, she isn't bothering to do the whole "noble necessary worker" thing. If she was able to get out of her disassociative haze, she'd walk out and knock over Robby's bike on the way out.
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>>219819860
I knew two girls like that and good god they are high maintenance. I don't mean financially or something but more like emotionally or mentally. It's like they went to therapy once and failed to realize that you're supposed to stop it at some point.
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I get bad cringe seeing Noah Wyle remind everyone how insane he is. People forgot after ER because he had that scifi show and Librarians, figured it must have humbled him. It did not.
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chris ryan and andy greenwald are big noah wyle defenders and even they couldn't defend the handling of mohan in the finale. they say it definitely feels like something happened behind the scenes and they axed her. her characters exit didn't feel like a true exit.
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>>219818157
What can you do? Hones question. Modern societies are so disjointed that people just don't know what to fucking do.
Some tribe somewhere has a ritual for depressive people, they get the dude, strip him, dunk him in water, dance around him, kill a chicken or something, the whole village participates and from them on they all keep an eye on him.
Something like that.
one leg could get his kike friend and bring him home and keep an eye on him but he won't. Most people wouldn't do it to a family member.
>oh, he's got work
>oh, he's an individual
>oh, he needs a therapist
We're fucked
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I'd be terrified if I was Ellis's actress.
>promoted to replace Mohan
>Javadi and Al-Hashimi are probably not coming back
>Wyle is getting crazy, clearly on a warpath to defend his show
She may have been one of the people just happy to have a job, but now she's gonna spend the whole filming with a target on her back
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>>219820918
meanwhile patrick ball said 3 months of working on the pitt paid off his debt, let him move out of his parents house, and gave him $80k in his pocket. It seems like supriya’s agent probably missed the ball with renegotiations, while Isa and Patrick’s agents are able to negotiate broadway shows and staying on the main cast. Not to mention Mateo, (can’t remember his real name), whose agent successfully negotiated a filming overlap
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Exactly, and I don't think Noah is the devil here.
https://www.vulture.com/article/supriya-ganesh-gender-dysphoria-essay. html
It was probably a thing of her being completely out of touch to work with.
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>>219821268
she is a pretty big broad
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>>219821203
what is this retarded relativism? You want respect and understanding for being a complete retard that puts her and hers baby's life at serious risk for no reason at all other than being dumb? Drink some unpausterized milk or get measles, chud
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Pretty good episode. Season was weaker than the first and a lot of the flaws with the format manifested. Al-Hashimi and Robby, Langdon and Robby, Santos and Langdon, none of it really worked especially in this episode cause it just logically didn't make sense. Also it's been like 4 fucking episodes of the same scene of people telling Robby not to kill himself over and over again. But it's still one of the better shows airing with good performances and the medical stuff is interesting so I'll keep watching.
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>>219821483
Aw fuck, sorry-
https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https://www.vulture.com/artic le/supriya-ganesh-gender-dysphoria- essay.html
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>>219820865
i kinda like it. it doesnt make sense that he'd suddenly do a 180 on something he said a few hours ago. it's also weird to me how people are ignoring that robby really isn't a rational actor anymore despite him being on the verge of a nervous breakdown the entire season. going too hard on a resident and being a dick is normal human behavior in those circumstances
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>>219819234
what's the context of this
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>>219818693
There were so many things this season that just got forgotten about after 3 episodes. That would be forgivable if it were a like 40 ep per season syndicalized show like the original ER was but these shows are written all at once and then filmed in one shot. the first season was cool because everything came back around by the end of the series but this one had waaaayyy too many loose ends
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>episode 10: Robby please don't kill yourself
>episode 11: Robby please don't kill yourself
>episode 12: Robby please don't kill yourself
>episode 13: Robby please don't kill yourself
>episode 14: Robby please don't kill yourself
>episode 15: Robby please don't kill yourself
Fucking enough already he already won his fucking emmy ENOUGH
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>>219821544
I can see that she might be someone that talks about gender a lot, but I appreciate that she isn't really romantic about India as a land of acceptance, and she's just noticing that two cultures express Taboo (2017) differently. American girls are too girly for her.
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>>219821909
This is the sickness with modern shows. They want their characters to stretch their unresolved issues as long as possible because it makes writing easier, whenever the plot gets slow just remind the audience that your characters are le damaged and they do a stressed face and maybe yell at someone randomly (and then apologize the next episode of course)
The Bear did this too, they stretched that girl deciding on whether to work at the new restaurant or stay for like 2 seasons.
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>>219818296
The health system is imploding for the same reason everything else is imploding. There are too many boomers and not enough white children to pay for them in their old age.
Our wise leaders brought in hordes of third worlders thinking that would somehow help with the demographic decline but it just made our county third world.
Almost all of you lifetime medical expenditure comes in the last 2 weeks of life. If boomers would just go queitly instead of employing a whole city block worth of highly trained specialists using advanced medical equipment round the clock just to keep their corpse animated for another 3 days then we could reduce costs by 20% overnight
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>>219818693
Yeah the writers seemed to have a very hard time constructing narratives that went more than 3-4 episodes. It’s only one shift so it’s weird that so many plot lines just came and went with no follow up. They should have trimmed like 4 or 5 side characters and fleshed out the rest a bit more. Cut out the cancer mom. Cut out Duke(boomer biker shit is fucking cringe). Cut out the heat stroke kid and suicidal mom. Have sandos cut her wrists in a call room in hour 1 and get discovered in the very last episode.
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>>219822288
They want to have their cake and eat it too with the format. You can't have character development and conflict progression that happens over weeks and months crammed into 15 "hours" and it not feel retarded.
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>WE ARE THE NIGHT CRAWLERS WE DEAL WITH THE WEIRDEST AND WILDEST BECAUSE WE ARE THE WEIRDEST AND WILDEST OF THEM ALL
Need more night chads, so tired of these weak-minded, mentally ill day sissies
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You wanted some high pressure competency porn with likable characters that face reasonable challenges? Well too fucking bad, you'll get Noah Wyle emmy-baiting but almost crying in every fucking scene from here on out.
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Abbot and the nightshift should have been season 3 but that was never gonna hapen
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>it's Christmas on the night shift and robby still hasn't left yet
>the local mall (that's somehow still alive) just had a severe case of food poisoning
>It opens with robby glancing at the mall santa coming in
>then it dawns on him
>stretcher after stretcher of people with their happy families barge in
>robby puts his hands over his face and walks off
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>"I have to collect Langdon's pee?"
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>>219822391
Is there a single non-shill fan that likes Robby? Chuds like the Night Crawlers, nerds like Whitaker and Langdon, old women like Mel and McKay, and internet women like Santos and El-Hashimi. No one is here for Robby.
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>>219822689
well I don't love him but I also don't hate him, I like him as a character not everyone can be perfect like langdon + what are his actual flaws? that he got mad at mohan for crying about her mom on a very stressful shift while being 30?
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>>219822943
i don't think it's robby the character that's the problem, as much as Noah and his writers that force emotional moments that seem inorganic.
They need to understand that long-term emotional problems should be secondary to the immediate tensions of the shift. But instead they want to make long-standing character flaws the immediate drama, and that's fundamentally at odds with the format.
The west just can't understand the concept of "slice of life ephemeral drama" that would really suit the format.
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>>219823262
The cognitive bias is they treat her differently because they feel like it's a personal attack. Meanwhile they take sympathy for indirect attacks on their field, when it's junkies, alcoholics, fatties, etc who ignore basic medicine and health (which should be seen as equally disrespectful). It's a deeper level of hypocrisy that the writers, and doctors don't even fathom.
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How does this compare to House or the Good Doctor?
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I like the whole "every season is one day" thing but at this point they're writing as if that conceit for some reason completely prevents things from actually happening, which it shouldn't
24 played out with the same concept 20 years ago and it still managed to having conventional rise and falls in action
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>>219821019
Americans are against paternalism. We will allow people to kill themselves before taking away their freedom in most instances.
Basically up and until you could be on the hook legally for not doing something. So we will only save someone if there’s a financial incentive
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>>219821202
I know multiple people who got out of their original fields. It’s common in medicine. You only get so much exposure to your chosen specialty as a med student. The 3-4 months you do as a med student might seem great but after 3-4 years full time people sometimes change their minds.
What’s weird is they never seem to have Mohan actually accept this even though it would tremendously improve her life.
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>>219824440
I think it's pretty realistic she holds onto the only compliments she ever got
>You have a unique talent that this ER needs, don't listen to Robby
and does the opposite of what Robby wants out of spite. She's a bit immature.
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Juliana Marguiles had a pretty good career too. Besides, even then as a new actor, Wyle was still telling people "I AM THE BEST YOU ARE EVER GONNA HAVE. I AM A GOD TO YOU, AND YOU NEED TO SHOW UP 100% EVERY DAY BECAUSE THIS SHOW IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS." Wyle is kinda right, but he's known for being this kind of culty theatre kid too.
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>>219824627
>Wyle is kinda right
it's more cope than being right, that hinges on you being mediocre just like him, so he can keep you in his little crab bucket. It's pretty damaging to actors, but it's masqueraded as "tough advice", so no one will ever argue with it.
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>>219822324
They need to get better about showing the things that happened off screen days or weeks before.
The time jump doesn’t feel that real cause everyone just comes back and it’s business as usual. They barely get into Langdon’s rehab experience, but he’s supposedly undergone this big transformation which is just summed up as “my wife threatened to leave me” “I’ve been doing the work”. We don’t get to hear about his rock bottom at all.
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>>219822689
I liked him alot in the beginning of season one because they wrote him as a good masculine authority figure that would fix problems almost immediately. But for some reason, he became a massive faggot as time went on, especially in regards to Langdon.
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>We don’t get to hear about his rock bottom at all.
His rock bottom was being exposed as pillhead by some bitch he yelled at two or three times
The show never once established it was any kind of actual problem for him or his work and Robbie treated him like a golden boy through 90% of season 1 and trusted him implicitly prior to the revelation
Writing-wise they probably should've have him make a fucking mistake or something because otherwise there's no real reason to give a shit and I think one time this whole season he mentioned how his back was sore from working all day and that he didn't have to worry about that back when he was popping painkillers or whatever
If your character is going through a recovery arc, generally, you probably want to have some reason they'd want to recover other than just the rules of their job
Other medical shows have shit like this where the addict/drunk will accidentally kill somebody or whatever
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>>219822689
I like him when he's doctoring. He knows what he's doing, and telling off pus lady's naggy boss over the phone was a high point for him this season. But watching him stare into space while being lectured between chimpouts all season was tiresome.
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>>219825055
al-hashimi never makes a mistake with a critical patient either and it still is justified to tell her to leave until she gets her shit together
its precisely the contrast between these all-star hyper-competent people and the ways they decompress from all that stress that the show is trying to emphasize. if langdon makes a bunch of mistakes throughout season 1 and is then revealed as an addict maybe that's not as much of a twist. in season 2 they at least had the foresight to foreshadow al-hashimi's deal but they still couldn't allow her to make a critical mistake because that would ruin the ambiguity of what robby is saying: yes it's true that she should go according to the rules, but equally she is right that she never ever has fucked up and she has a contingency in place for if she does fuck up (another attending on staff)
one of the most interesting moments in this season is when al-hashimi learns about langdon's past addiction, how her attitude around him changes immediately in that one trauma room situation. before she was really high on him. there was maybe some sense that she was more forgiving of it than she could've been though, and that's well-contextualized by this reveal for her
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>>219824204
>What do you guys think wiöl happen next season
Mass Rape Incident, every man, woman and dog in downtown Pittsburg gets raped.
Robbi gets sad because the hospital says that they don’t have enough PReP for everyone of the victims and they are going to have to ration it.
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>>219825207
Mass beheading outside a refugee center, the doctors must save the poor victim who perpetrated the beheadings from racist police officers who want to kidnap him and send him to jail because they don't understand his culture.
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Emma has to give a urine sample for a yearly drug test, but every time she fills the cup, a patient steals it from her to go and drink it!
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>>219825187
>but equally she is right that she never ever has fucked up
that's the only technical thing she's correct about. If The Pitt were better written, Robby would have scorched-earth it with a collective opinion gathering on how the other doctors feel about working with someone like that, because women respond better to popular opinion.
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except Al-Hashimi acts like a basketcase multiple times, the first three/four episodes she acts like she's one step away from a nervous breakdown because of the abandoned baby
Maybe her over-reliance on AI was a cope because she's afraid she would make mistakes but that was never actually connected and overall that plot point felt more like another reason for Robbie to not eat a gun than anything for her since who knows if she'll even come back
For example: if a character is some kind of alcoholic and you want that to be a bad thing instead of just a thing, have them make a drunken mistake
And if you really want the character to remain sympathetic, that mistake could be crashing into a tree and hurting themselves or something, fine
But if your alcoholic character's biggest crime is that he's a bartender and he's skimming free drinks at work and he's not supposed to be doing that, but that's the extent of the problem, that's not compelling and it makes everyone whining about how they can't trust him (despite his work being flawless) seem annoying instead of correct
It's illegal to steal pills, I understand, but that's it, and this is all fictional so there needs to be more to it, particularly with regard to the character who exposes him being the most annoying unlikable character on the show who isn't even really being chastised for her own mistakes anymore
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>We're sorry, but, we're not sorry for the way we treated you during Covid; for killing so many of you, but, it wasn't our fault and we really didn't abuse or kill anyone, because we were just following protocol. You know, mandates that came down from the mountainside that were necessary—evil, but, necessary—to justify the abuse and torment we wrought upon you. Please forgive us, or not. Either way, these are the reasons we behaved the way we did. Please trust us, again. Replace your faith in us. We truly are the good guys and are on your side. For real. We only act like we live on Mount Olympus, because, we think and act like we do, because...hey, we're better than you... but don't pay attention to any of that. All we ask is that you place your faith, adoration and veneration in us, one more time. We rally mean good and our intentions are always pure. Okay, gotta go. We're so busy and swamped "saving lives."
Seriously, what are/were the political and financial ramifications of the COVID psyop on the health industry that forced the CIA and Medical boards to invest in this amazing piece of propaganda series??? If you can't see the obvious brainwashing with this superb production, you're probably vaxxed. This entire show is psychological abuse.
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>He was stealing meds intended for patients,
To such a minor extent that nobody noticed (for years or months at least) until a girl working her first shift decided to obsessively comb through his work for mistakes because she doesn't like him
>he diluted benzos that were later given to a patient so the dose wasn't as effective.
that's a mistake anyone could make
it's not complicated, he should've just killed somebody, it's a medical show
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>Sex with Santos
I wanna have sex with Santos til she loves me
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>>219825666
same but Al-Hasimi and she would be dressed like Talia Al-Ghul
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I love you, Samira!
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its probably fair to think langdon was iced too quickly despite his infraction, i get it. he was the golden boy even with that weakness of his
he comes back and he once again proves he's hyper competent. does he still have the temper yeah but that's okay. what's worse: robby's way of dealing with the ennui or langdon's? to me robby's seems worse, he's negatively involving way more people with his way (but also this makes him sympathetic cuz all humans try to reach out for help first and foremost; langdon internalizes it, takes the meds, if he's pushed too far he lashes out like robby but more rarely).
langdon fans should feel vindicated that in s2 he comes back and is fucking perfect the whole shift more or less. they even have whitaker blow up on him for a retarded reason last episode just to make langdon look like the most reasonable guy (and he is). when santos says mid-season "he shouldn't even be back, he broke the law", it lands with a thud because he's a superstar. "yeah, you're right, so what." so there's something of a compromise with >>219825639's position already baked into the show
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>does he still have the temper
this is not a real issue either, you need to be aggressive when criticizing subordinates in a high-stakes learning environment for one thing, and secondly he was mostly aggro with Santos, who deserved and did not learn from her mistakes
probably because her main critic was exiled in disgrace for a crime she uncovered
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>>219825886
it was impressive how they set her up to be the annoying outsider villain-ish character early on but really endeared the viewer to her over time. quickly became a favorite once she started quieting the stick up her ass
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As well, I never minded what she said about AI. Filling out charts is terrible, it's hard to communicate how difficult it is to go from doing some extremely tense, difficult task to filling out forms for insurance. Dictation+LLM would have been much better.
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I mean it felt pretty obvious to me that he was at least considering it. Somewhere around episode 3-4 I think, but that's just because I have a personal connection to suicidal thoughts and the motorcycle stuff from the opening scene was just too on the nose.
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Mohan was an R4 during these 2 seasons, so I think she was just before her final year. Langdon is R5, idk if his residency got delayed because of the support though. So Mohan and Langdon might now be the same at R5 by the next season, in-universe
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I like Robby as a character. If I was doing the same mental illness condition that some fans have and observe Robby as a real human being affecting my personal life, I'm sure I would also have some negative things to say about him as a person. But that's sort of the point and why he is a compelling character. He is so obviously disagreeable and contradicts himself within minutes and some people think its some sort of accident
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the entire season felt precision made to fill in robby's character/give wyle a lot of highly effective for awards type scenes. several characters felt sacrificed for robby's arc, including mohan who didn't get much at all
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the show would benefit from a second character as critical as he. dr collins felt close to that in the first season but there was no feeling of a secondary spotlight char this season (even tho al-hashimi seemed poised to be that early on it never came around i felt)
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Squishy santos
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She looks like a female version of jim carrey
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>Simping for a emotionally unstable, dyke cutter.
Find a better waifu; every single woman on this show except for the 1st year resident pajeeta is better then santos.