>>219827062
it's not bad per se but some hacks (See: Nolan) tend to overuse the "dead wife" thing. if they use if frequently enough then it seems as if the wife had no personality outside of being "dead".

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Makes me wonder if the Odyssey is going to pull that same shit

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>>219827251
Quit screwing around

Memento overdid this but otherwise great movie

>Wife in refrigerator trope
I hate how gay comic book shit is mainstream now

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>>219827251
I really like the videos of girls parodying this
https://youtu.be/xp7MsTE2sas
https://youtu.be/lNqljwcr0_Y
https://youtu.be/uIvbshQkqug
https://youtu.be/6ATb5nRtfV8
https://youtu.be/jx_p0n09ZcY
https://youtu.be/MkhjX_U3Ku0
https://youtu.be/yyv3h_GyM3A
https://youtu.be/ImzbeOeXfDQ
https://youtu.be/mT4lmQGXfbc
https://youtu.be/FgA0Rd-2Kpo

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https://youtu.be/PzTvljeIPPk

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>>219827062
The dead wife is beautiful and fun and happy and young. Like how they hate MPDGs, the comparison pains women.

>>219827062
The dead wife has no agency. Sure, he's free to reminisce about the good times after her passing, but he doesn't appreciate her as a person. She's a prop without any say in the matter because she's dead and can't call him out for being a creepy gooner.

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kino

>>219827477
Every single person making one of these videos is only doing so because they want to feel as beautiful as those women and they’re doing it under the guise of comedy.

It's basically just a lazy device for a character's feelings and motivation especially if it's revenge or something else that drives them through the plot like regret. Same deal as say, just killing off someone's boyfriend/husband, or their child or pet too. It's simple and understandable enough but usually rings a bit hollow because we don't know the character at all.

It's the quintessential emotionally manipulative you should feel sad/bad for this person, because you are supposed to feel that way about who they lost.

>>219827808
The trope wouldn’t work half as well if it was a pet cat or a co-worker though. Maybe a parent would work in the right circumstances but why does it have to be a minor shitstorm for some people every time a woman dies in a movie?

>>219827986
Sure, having a happy marriage pretty much scores on the very top of the list of what most girls want, from teenage years onwards. No amount of girlboss larp is gonna overcome biological urges.

>>219828052
I think it's mostly just baggage from the past, since it used to be fairly often that women were just bit characters and rarely were leads or even side characters. So, you could notice a pattern, something like a movie or show with multiple guys who have roles and then the one woman who seems like she will be a character of some importance either remains just there to be there, or just exists to die and that's it.

>>219828002
What’s the alternative though? It’s efficient and drives the point home without needing to pad out the time.

>>219828162
>It's efficient
It really isn't, that's the whole fucking reason people make fun of it. If you want a character's death to have impact, the character needs to have an actual... you know, character. It's just common sense. Treating a non-character's death as this epic tragedy I'm supposed to care about is laughable

>>219828162
I don't know, personally it's never worked for me for the reasons I mentioned. We usually don't know enough about either character or how they were together usually to fully inform the feeling, so it just ends up like following the motions. It's a plot equivalent of telling instead of showing. They tell you how you should feel or think, but don't actually give a compelling reason for it.

>>219827062
Having a dead wife almost always features in male-centric films, such as Gladiator or Inception. It can feel alienating to women because it plays almost exclusively into male longing and grief.

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>it used to be fairly often that women were just bit characters and rarely were leads or even side characters
This always feels like horse shit to me. Just off the top of my head I could name Joan Crawford, Bette Davis, Elizabeth Taylor, Judy Garland, Audrey Hepburn, Marilyn Monroe, Sigourney Weaver, Jodie Foster, Meryl Streep, Vivian Leigh, Marlene Dietrich, Julie Andrews, Charlize Theron, Cate Blanchett… all of which have been leading actors in movies, many of which are of universal critical acclaim, from 1940-Now. I just feel like there’s no pleasing some people.

>>219828377
i feel like female representation in hollywood actually got a lot worse these days than in the past
sure films in the past were male-centric, but i find female characters then more likeable, even if they catered to the male gaze

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>>219827062
>No cute zoomette to recreate this on my phone, and even if, she wouldn't do it right because she doesn't get the reference

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Notice that the "Dead child trope" also exists very prevalently in media, but it barely faces any criticism, because the idea of losing a child does not alienate women.

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You both have autism. It’s very efficient because it tells you in sub 60 seconds:
>the male lead has experienced loss of the person he was meant to be with forever
>that he hasn’t let go and has emotional baggage
>that this may be an ongoing issue for him
>this is the reason he is doing what he is doing
>the memories are presumably happy because they’re sunny and bright and have Vaseline lenses therefore he is now sad
Point is made very simply with a reliable trope so you can get down to brass tacks instead of having so many flashbacks that you’re just remaking PS I Love You

>>219828509
>does not feel alienating to women
is what i meant to say

>>219828533
kek I thought you were making a sly dig at abortions for a moment.

I wonder if a predominantly male audience that may have had partners (or long to have one) respond better to the dead wife trope because they don’t have any paternal instinct having not had any children, whereas on average, women are much more maternal even before childbirth.

>>219828509
Woman in fridges is specifically about when a love interest gets killed off in an extremely brutal way for shock value. I can't think of any movie that does a graphic or sexualized torture scene involving children in the same way.

>>219828604
I can think of Pet Sematary. And maybe Pharaoh losing his child in Prince of Egypt. And Godfather when Sonny dies. The trope definitely exists.

>>219827208
Kek

>>219828351
>plays almost exclusively into male longing and grief.
What's wrong with that? There's plenty of media that plays into feelings almost completely exclusive to women.

>>219828052
I guess it seems about as much of a loss a guy can suffer before you get to dead children, which are seen as a bridge too far for most movies

>>219828604
>graphic or sexualized torture scene involving children in the same way
that's a big no-no to depict, and not wrongfully so

>>219828351
So what? "Is for men" is not a valid criticism

>>219827808
She also can no longer consent to him thinking about her.

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>>219827062
>tfw ywn experience this

This is how guys see women we don't care we just want to fuck and smile under the bedsheets for a second and then you go make me food and then we fuck again

>>219831141
i know right. it does things to me too

>>219830442
yeah but inclusivity is one of the main tenets of feminism, you can see why feminists would complain about male-centric media and tropes.

>>219831141
Waking up next to my gf is honestly the best feeling in the world. Sometimes I just look at her when I wake up until she wakes up

>>219828002
So, The Lion King is lazy?

>>219832075
I'd argue Lion King at least tries to give you a little bit of Mufasa's character before he is offed and the reaction from Simba is good. Still, even if it fails they also made sure to add more layers to it by pinning undeserved guilt onto Simba and manipulating him in that way.

>>219827062
The term 'fridging' comes from comic books where the love interests of the hero are barely characters and then get killed in an incredibly melodramatic way bordering on comedic only to fuel the hero's rage or depression without actually having any build up or real meaning. It doesn't really apply to a movie format as much imo.

>>219827808
>Sure, he's free to reminisce about the good times after her passing, but he doesn't appreciate her as a person.
How is reminiscing about the good times not appreciating her as a person unless hes only recalling sex memories? She has no 'agency' in the story being dead, but he's remembering a time when she did have 'agency'.

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>>219828604
I know it's not gruesome or brutal but does Hamnet count?

Inception is crazy because every scene with Mal makes you think Dom only saw her as a bitch.

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Three Colors: Blue does the opposite. A woman loses her husband and kids and spends her time coping over it

>>219828194
You're fucking retarded