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Thoughts on Toby Fox's art?Honestly I think they're charming enough where I think he could've made a game without Temmie's art and it would have still become an indie darling.
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i actually like this more than the in-game art, it looks frumpy in a fun way
i guess temmie's art is more polished but it feels like it lacks a certain vision that is expressed in these images, you can feel a character emanating from these doodles that isn't there in the final sprites
but how would he draw the best character?
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I'm jewish and undertale and deltarune are my favorite games!
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>>736963528
I prefer Temmie's art but he isn't as bad as he thinks. His art has a lot of charm and soul. It's not enough to carry the game as the parts made by him are very ugly. But it's not bad for concept art.
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He has a great eye for and is a good ideas guy for character design most of the time, and his own style is good for insane wacky characters like burgerpants, but terrible for the more serious/dramatic moments. His "it doesn't look shitty enough" philosophy is shitty and white Ralsei is still an awful design.
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>>736963528
aren't toby's wrists fucked up now? could he even do all the art?
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>>736967074
No. Enjoy WAITing another few months, and then enjoy WAITing another 3 years for 6 and 7.
>>736967934
More like half a year but you need to understand nippon is the primary audience for him. If he could he would probably make the game in japanese and translate it to english.
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>>736968149
Toby coded all of Undertale if I remember correctly, so he can code, it's just not good.
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>>736966468
>His "it doesn't look shitty enough" philosophy is shitty
Toby does that for consistency. Having a random sprite be higher quality than all others just looks jarring. That's why he removed that sprite of Papyrus's date.
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>>736969352
I'm talking mostly about Undertale since that's when he made that post. Toby clearly changed philosophies having getting his team. That's probably why 3 and 4 have such disparing qualities between each other. We aren't getting Tobyrune anymore.
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It makes sense. If Toby can't make everything consistently good then it's better to at least make it look consistently in the best quality he actually can.
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>>736969570
The only time Toby did this was for Frisk's sprite as making her look pretty would've distracted the player (even then she still looks cute), outside of that he just removed the sprites that looked too good compared to the rest.
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>>736963653
Toby's art has a lot of soul, but Temmie's art is more artistically pleasing. I prefer hers for the actual in-game sprites, though. The areas Toby made by himself in Undertale are usually ugly. I don't think Toby ever showed Roulxs Kaard sketches, though, even during the Chapter 1 stream.
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People say that the inferno of jealousy might be referring to Noelle getting jealous over Susie liking Ralsei but I think it's way more likely that she might get jealous over Susie and Ralsei if anything, assuming she accompanies the to the chapter's dark world.
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I'd love a mod that changes the game's art to Toby's doodles whenever possible
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I think the inferno is more likely to be Ralsei getting jealous than anything. Only he and Asgore have fire magic of the potential candidates and we need a chapter focused on him. Plus the fire mage leaves the party at some point in Dragon Blazers. Ralsei having an arc about his fire magic makes the most sense.
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>>736971909
Noelle is too related to ice to even be the one to cause it and Toriel doesn't care about Asgore. It's Ralsei or Asgore
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>>736972123
You underestimate Tumblr art.
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>>736964143
>Tacos/Favelas so unbelievably fucking angry over no official translation
>Consistently sperg about how they never wanted one anyway and how only gay jews would ever engage with the game to begin with
>Believe not sharting out a half-assed localization for easy money is somehow peak jew behavior
>Claim that everything they say is all in fun jest and not serious despite how racist it sometimes gets, but then cry racism when Mexican/Brazilian jokes get thrown back their way
It’s all been so fascinating to watch
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>>736972580
People should be calling Toby a honorary nipponese as he would want to. The jewish shit never made sense, he's a liberal christian from a small white town.
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>>736972861
He did everything for the UT demo, including the art, then forced Temmie to copy that style for the full release, even if it meant intentionally drawing things worse. Deltarune chapter 1 was just him and Temmie, so it largely continued aping that style, albeit to a lesser extent. And chapter 2 was done by a bunch of internet webcomic artists so it had much of the same spirit as Undertale, even if it again deviated in some aspects.
Over time the style of the series drifted away from that ms paint style, and the professional artists he brought on were the ones that pushed it firmly out of that style in the new chapters.
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>His "it doesn't look shitty enough" philosophy is shitty
Its what gives the game its soul. High quality pixel art is boring.
I agree with you about Whitesei. His ears look like clubs. I feel like he'd be fine if Toby just kept his ear fluff. Ironically Whitesei doesn't look nearly as bad in the concept art drawn by Toby.
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>>736971607
nta, but I think I prefer even lower objective quality art for in game stuff. Something about it just appeals to me. Meanwhile high quality pixel art usually just bores me, and sometimes I find it genuinely repulsive.
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One of the worst art ive ever seen in my life, its the poster boy of bad pixel art
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>deviantart
Maybe, if you mean deviantart 20 years ago
>tumblr
no, tumblr art is usually very high production. Its just that artist has a horrible sense of beauty, thinking neanderthal nosed, androgynous, fat ogres with vitiligo are the most beautiful creatures alive.
Toby's art really looks more like an old ms paint webcomic, which makes sense since that's where he came from.
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He has fantastic sense for exaggerated, funny expressions. I respect that.
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I can't believe he's older than me and still writes like I would've at 17 on tumblr. It's like his mentor Hussie who spends his time on Discord with teenagers despite being over forty. Anyway, I think the art is overly simplistic and conservative resource-wise. The designs are fine, but he never does them justice in-game.
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>>736973695
You somehow conflated the entirety of Undertale and the reasons for its development with Undertale's dev history with its own demo.
Toby wanted to make Deltarune on his own, then scaled back and started making Undertale to figure out how to make a game. Temmie's art was part of Undertale since the first demo.
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>>736967792
He's got that jewish money fever that seems to hit all popular indie games.
Seriously, what the fuck is going on with a game getting less than 500 reviews on steam and having the devs keep adding stuff at a breakneck pace, but as soon as the game becomes popular the once prolific dev seems to gain an allergy for doing stuff?
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>>736973534
This but all the humans uooooooohhhhh!!!!
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>You somehow conflated the entirety of Undertale and the reasons for its development with Undertale's dev history with its own demo.
No I remember him saying that specific thing about the demo specifically, separate from Undertale as a whole. I can't remember where but I remember him saying it.
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Uooh Indeed!
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>>736973971
Most of the time there was like one autistic guy behind the game's explosive development and its pace has always been at the whims of his ability to stay hyperfixated, but you only notice the first time he slows down after you start hearing about it.
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>>736973971
Devs make games as a job, so there's survival related incentive to do a better job. If they don't get sales then they may starve or lose their home. Once they get the money, they no longer need to do the work, so it becomes more a leisure activity to them.
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Old concept art Toby posted after chapter 1, but then he posted a less redacted version (the one in the OP) after chapters 3 and 4. It's currently speculated that the empty space under Kris means there's even more parts he doesn't want us to see yet.
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>>736974162
They're just too cute and funny, fren.
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Reminder that exposing Noelle's tail was a deliberate design choice to make her more attractive.
Toby and Temmie know exactly what they're doing.
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looks like shit, you can pretend to like it just because you know who made it all you like tho.
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Forgot to include the picture like a retarded.
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>>736972464
frisk looks... fine, chara looks like a crackhead, but why does asriel look like the manlet gigachad meme
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Asgore and Toriel look good here. Asriel looks more like what I'd imagine his Deltarune self to be like, if he was taller.
Frisk is... kinda okay, and Chara looks like a Part 5 JoJo character, in a bad way.
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Genuinely have no idea. Maybe Tenna 2 or one of the flowers like the blue one.
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>>736973971
>be indie dev
>making game as hobby/for the love of it
>able to add stuff as you please, at speeds that vastly outpace others
>notice that you're popular and successful now
>clearly this is no longer a hobby
>quit your day job to dev full-time
>start adopting "professional standards"
>take frequent vacations in order to mingle with the industry
>hire people full-time to help make the game for you, who work at employee speeds
>game development has suddenly slowed down massively
I think that sums it up. Passion projects are made faster than products.
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>Passion projects are made faster than products
Isn't it the other way around? The longer the company waits, the more money they hemorrhage. The faster new chapters come out, the sooner they can shit out more merch.
Passion projects sometimes take forever because the creators keep polishing and cuddling them, trying to get as close to the vision they have in their head
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>>736977110
You asked for it. Here's the big guns.
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For AAA, obviously yeah. But they also have colossal dev teams who are rushing their games out the door.
And while it may take longer for passion projects to come out, the amount of sheer content and care put into them is pretty ridiculous.
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>Both Asgore and Toriel are trans
>Asgore is gay
wtf am I reading. So they first had asriel, then they switched teams and since femAsgore likes dudes he is now considered gay but maleToriel always liked dudes yet decided to have a kid with a chick? No wonder Chara killed herself.
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nice ass
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There's a reason why it's such a classic bait picture. Here's a cleanser.
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>>736967465
What am i looking at? Why does this exist? What is it's purpose?
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>>736978671
This was draw right after the game came out so it's a genuine jew who did this for the love of the game.
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>only of the earliest pics toby draw of deltarune was susie blushing while talking about ralsei
where the fuck are you going with this game fox boy
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I'm not a Ralsusie guy but I will happily accept it if it means Suselleshit doesn't happen.
Hate that stupid ship.
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retards, everyone knows the underground is an analogy for the gaza strip
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Couldn't tell ya
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The FUN Gang throuple will happen instead as foreshadowed by Roulxs Kaard and this weird ass pic I found.
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The same person who drew that eat the goys image is a polyfag ironically enough. It's posted on pixiv but it feels like it came straight from Tumblr.
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That was the last year the artist made an Undertale/Deltarune, and I'm pretty sure it's a jewish woman who self-inserts as Frisk/Chara (but mostly Frisk as adult Frisk is a copy of her sona) who drew this shit
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>>736974665
I like them all! My favorites though are Krissy and Clover (also to me they're all girls).
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It's illegal to be this full of cunny!!
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>>736963528
>Honestly I think they're charming enough where I think he could've made a game without Temmie's art and it would have still become an indie darling.
nah it would have been an obscure indie game for tumblr homos, it only reached normiedom thanks to temmie
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>>736981620
That's why humans aren't real, my fren, because it's illegal to be this cute and funny.
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The yellow soul being portrayed as a girl is really rare, especially in a post Yellow fandom.
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We should make it legal methinks.
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True! I know the UTY team tried their best to make Clover look "gender neutral", but I think they should have made her look more feminine. At least I'd have more Fem Clover artists than just one redditor (God bless her soul)
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An headcanon i have is that MT.Ebott has this reputation of being the place where "outcast girls go to kill themselves".
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wtf was he hiding?
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It's a place where you go to kill yourself which fits as women are more mentally ill (but usually don't have the guts to go through with it fully)
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That would require a lot of determination and guts, but maybe if every humanbro joins forces we can make the dream come true.
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What sort of horrendous shit is going on in that village that makes children prefer to ''disappear'' on that mountain?
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Hopefully if another Deltarune Yellow gets made the team makes Clover a girl. Maybe that would make Fem Clovy more popular.
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Primo ragebait
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>>736983375
You have to wonder why Chara hated humanity, after all. It's up to your IMAGINATION but it probably wasn't pretty. Jokes aside even Asriel asks why Frisk would even go to a mountain where people supposedly disappear.
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The current Deltarune Yellow was made solely to fulfill kanaclover as a HMOFA ship so you need someone out of here to do your wish. 4chan is too chudcore for your FemClover.
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chapter 7won't be the final one, will it?
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This but beta Noelle.
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Gaster said we reached the halfway point so I only expect for a Chapter 0 or 8 as an extra one if there is indeed one
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>>736983959
There's already a low chance of the full game coming out before 2030 but if there really is an additional chapter then there's no fucking chance it will come out before then.
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I knew it was over for me when they didn't even accept the possibility of HFOFA KanaClover...
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You aren't going to see too many people accepting of that here, heck I personally not a fan of HFOFA even if I love my humanbros. Even femChara and Frisk are controversial here because of self-inserters despite having no good ships between them and female characters. You will have to find someone else somewhere else to make your Deltarune Yellow with a FemClover. Maybe if Suselle or FemKris Krusie somehow does indeed happen and then HMOFA guys lose power, maybe you can have a chance of somehow getting people for your dream here. That's a big if though.
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no one with a straight face can look at clover and say they’re a girl. literally the only people who try are troons who realize how masculine clover looks and try to compensate for the “non-binary agenda” or coomers you who push it cause it makes you hard (not even saying that as a bad thing lmao)
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Usually it goes like this with steam reviews:
10 = a month of work
100 = a year of work
5.000 = set for life (here you also start to sell merch)
20.000 = filthy rich
100.000 = bilionaire
Of course, the larger the team the more split the sum will be if everyone gets the same slice of the pie.
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I don't see Clover as a girl, though. I see him and Kris as dudes, I just respect my fellow humanbro who does so, maybe he's into extreme tomboys or reverse traps. Clover (and even the canon yellow soul as wearing their hat makes Frisk feel like she wants to grow a beard) is super masculine imo. It's hard to see them as a girl. If I want a female yellow soul I would just go for another OC.
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>>736984575
True, but one must never stop believing.
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I don't agree, you never know how someone can interpret a sprite. People do follow the headcanon of the majority though.
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Toby will make the yellow flower a Reverse trap, trust the plan.
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I'm a bit curious about how Toby will deal with the flowers honestly. If they're their own characters, they will probably be gendered normally. But if they're the parallel to the fallen children, will all of them be they/them? It/its? Will Toby actually give them genders? It's interesting to think about. I really hope Chapter 5 doesn't drop the ball on this.
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>The Bluest Flower, A disciple of my speech
>Shy to no camera, And a specimen of Elegance and kindness.
>Should you meet, Please give my regards.
Assuming that this is foreshadowing, Miss MIzzle's dialogue avoids their pronouns altogether
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>>736977254
you haven't seen nothing
try this
pic related is canon btw
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>>736985825
top left has been living in my mind rent free for years now. that gaster/mystery woman is too good.
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>>736985726
I know. It's very interesting, honestly. It could just be Toby trying to be vague as possible and not wanting to reveal any information of them, or Toby is going to have all the flowers as genderless. Honestly it's going to be hard to hear six flowers being referred as they/them.
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I wonder what the cyan flower would be if Kris is actually supposed to have a cyan soul or not.
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I want (You)
YES, YOU
To tell me your best guess for the identities of all final bosses in Deltarune ch 7!
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the captcha wait today is unbearable, how does this autogyno Murder Boy poster stand posting this many times just before bed?
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>>736963528
His art looks like dogshit but everything is instantly recognizable and it's crystal clear what emotional state the character is in at any moment.
He's like the early Tails Gets Trolled comic artist before they changed their entire artstyle.
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Dess/Knight, Noelle, Kris, Chara
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Dess but manipulated by FRIEND
FRIEND real identity
Carol because the song tha plays in her first appearance, lame choice of final boss tho
Noelle completely blinded by strong negative emotions and becoming the angel
Kris as Gael from ds3 end of the world type scenario after you fucked up everything in the weird route, i would say Susie but she has Undyne Undying vibes
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>>736986884
The Angel (whoever that is if Player Angel is wrong), Kris as the next knight, Knight transformed into Dess, Noelle and Gaster. It's really hard to guess the final boss of this game despite us vaguely knowing the final prophecy.
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I don't think Chara will be in Deltarune. Either the Vessel would be Chara's spiritual successor as the human we name, or Kris will take that role.
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You can also say that about Kriselle being HMOFA but everyone treats it as if it were. Noelle is a furry thus it's human x furry even if she's human-like
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>It's a fun style, very cartoony, reminds me of early webcomics,
it looks like asscastle
especially beta susie with the long snout and vertical slit nostrils
quirky gay furries and peepee is right up toberto's alley
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also that thing second from left is toby's non-annoying-dog fursona (young susie mixed with the alien from super mario land, wearing andrew hussie's outfit)
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The human nipples are out there, anon... that's too provocative... human booba could be too dangerous in this blue board...
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>>736987939i've played with this fire before and it seems to be ok if it's just booba behind a censor, the other one i posted months ago was far more explicit and i didn't got on a vacation
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>Starting a new game at chapter 4 will have Tenna being alive
>Shadow Crystals are tied to save file slot level, not a save file itself
So if you missed recruits or something like that in a chapter, there's no reason to continue in that worse save slot. Just don't upload your save data to chapter 5, start fresh.
Very sad that they went with this design to make it easier for streamers, and then nobody gave a fuck to stream 3+4.
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this fucked captcha situation gave the the esl curse
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>I can't believe he's older than me and still writes like I would've at 17 on tumblr.
Because he never had to grow up. Toby is a literal manchild; a very rich, successful, and influential one, but still a manchild.
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You're also lucky that reporting today takes an eternity to do so most want. Maybe janny thinks it's just M!Kris manboobs lmao
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The talented and successful self-made millionaire artist is actually a manchild, unlike me, the respectable 4chan user who spends my weeknights seething about him online.
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>>736988232
afaik he had the ending, main characters, and basic premise for deltarune written out back in 2011/ 2012, but didn't start writing the full story in earnest until 2016ish, and finished it around 2019/ 2020
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>>736988401
seriously, the level of delusion people are capable of getting up to here is astounding
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>>736988401
yes?
>please excuse me... (laughs) i have to use text to speech and a quirky mask because i'm a normal person (laughs)... please don't be mean to me on twitter, i will cry and have fangamer send you C&Ds (laughs)
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>>736988401
Toby isn't a manchild but he has childish whimsy and that's a good thing.
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He's epsicopilian I think.
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>>736988492
People will say they converted to [christian denomination] and literally the only thing they change in their life is shit on gay people online more often
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>>736988905
because the religion is supposed to be about love and redemption but they only use it as a foundation to express their inner negativity which hurts both themselves and others
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>>736989756
I will confess my sins to these two Undertale characters in the UT/DR thread
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>>736989756
Your feelings are not and cannot be a sin. Bullying someone for their feelings is not loving them, it's being an asshole. It doesn't work, it creates a repressed hellhole where every couple is completely dysfunctional.
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God is love, and to love one another is to love God.
It is never a sin to love someone.
works cited: The Bible, Jesus
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>>736989964
I can't believe Frisk and Noelle Undertale said just before Chara walked up and mocked Noelle for being a filthy dyke.
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>>736989756
All jokes aside you're right. Homosexuality is indeed a sin and encouraging it isn't right for a true christian. However going online just to mock random faggots isn't the way to go and you aren't going to convert them to Christ that way. Just pray for them or if you’re friends with them explain how being a fag isn't love but lust.
Although this isn't relevant to the thread as there's no sin in the Deltarune religion which is why there's fags in the church. They just worship the prophecy, not even a god itself (outside of the Angel which we don't know what it is yet)
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>>736963528
Very anime like, he can't draw, but it has S0VL as anons say
>>736966223
But he should leave the actual art to temmie, she is just a better artist
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>>736990606
Temmie definitely is the better artist, although I think her earlier Frisks were better than the newer ones. She looked like a cute chink girl in those.
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>>736986884
>WR
Ralsei, Susie
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Dess, KrisThere is no Dr. Gaster
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>>736990676
Fangamer has a terrible taste in art and in products
While licensed, i don't take those as canon, they exist very outside the game anyways
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>>736990739
I just posted that collage because it's all "official" works involving Frisk, but I was mainly focusing on the temmie art. I know fangamer merch is mostly just ascended fanart that Toby liked. Maybe he should pick artists like pic related to do merch art lol.
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>>736991030
There are plenty of talented artists out there, tobby just does not want to, it must be like part of the brand at this point
He could excuse expenses and whatever he wants, but commissioning the art he needs is very within his budget
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>>736990590
Yes, but the reason i broughr up the meme denomination thing in the first place is that several churches are now bending the knee to fags thinking itll make them cool and to boost their numbers, which is obviously weak willed and genuinely condemning everyone involved. Fictionally though, your correct, but it doesnt make necessarily justify the writing from a moral context. Though i can be persuaded the extra layer of fiction works as a medium to call out to faggots to return to God, even though I do not necessarily believe this to be the case as this is on so many layers of 4d chess at this point.
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>>736990508
>This is your tale, your Undertale, Frisk the human
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Why did he do it????
...What did he do????
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>>736990590
>Homosexuality is indeed a sin and encouraging it isn't right
According to the Jewish law of the Talmud, which Christ instructed us to turn away from
Or do you still keep Kosher?
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>>736990590
>Homosexuality is indeed a sin
So is eating bacon or shrimp and not chopping of a piece of your dick
These things were sins because people thousands of years ago didn't have the understandings of the world that we do and lived in the fucking desert huts, where you were kind of SoL for medical quality of life. Thus getting sick from eating undercooked pork or not realizing that you can't just get rawdogged in the asshole like its a vagina was hypothesized to be some kind of wrath of God.
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>>736993096
>There are no sins if you're not religious
yeah, but that is not the game of the thread is it?
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sodomy was a sin no?
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>>736995380
Chapter 3 was better than anyone expected though
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Speaking of gay, I did a flat color of a Kris a anon drew
https://files.catbox.moe/0r88ol.png(colored doodle)
https://files.catbox.moe/edn8v5.PNG(original doodle)
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>>736995380
>Chapter 5 will be even more disappointing than chapter 3.
Anon the number 5 is big on the swepstake page and im pretty sure he is not going to repeat the same format he did on 3 to 5 hes not that lazy.
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>>736998605
I want more porn of this Kris design, maybe prone bone
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>>736963528
His art is very subpar especially for a furry drawing stylized characters (the volume of resources to get better at drawing furries get is insane)
Funny to see anon ITT coping about it, it's fine to like a game that looks like shit whenever its creator unfortunately decides to contribute to the visuals lads
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>>736998747
Built for dess
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>>736993096
Homosexuality is still a sin in the new testament but that doesn't matter to the thread when the angel religion doesn't have the concept of sin.
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>>737002524
Here you go.
https://bsky.app/profile/gaida-the-duck.bsky.social/post/3maqvnve6v22v
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>>736998639
These are just really gay, but Kris definitely attracts faggots in general. I appreciate someone coloring OC, though.
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>>736991532
To be fair I think nip artists like pic related did work on Undertale merch, and I think this artist is pretty good myself. But a lot of it is just Toby's friends so I guess it's just nepotism that hurts him. But he cannot sell literally Spamton themed garbage and make a bank so he probably doesn't care about quality too much.
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>>736991973
>Chara is a self-hating dyke or bifag
Canon
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tnx
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>>736967934
If he was smart about it, it wouldn't cause too much delay if it all, this is something that could happen parallel to development. It's just that it seems the script isn't finalized until the chapter is pretty much almost done, which after almost a decade is worrying
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>>736992126
It's really hard to fuck up Susie to the point even a fat jewish woman can draw her well.
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>>737005917
>It's just that it seems the script isn't finalized until the chapter is pretty much almost done
It does seem like it works like this, the translation only start being worked on after each chapter is almost completely done, it seems that all the way through, as the design of the chapter changes, so does the script. It seems very inefficient but that's how they have decided to work.
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>>736995380
Chapter 3 wasn't that bad at all, though. Tenna was better than all fanmade concepts of him and the Sword Route saved the Zelda clones. My main issue is just how much I had to replay it because I missed all the secrets in my first time. Personally 4 was more disappointing but my expectations for 5 are way more tempered than they were for 3 and 4. I just want quirky flowers and cool fights and music at this point.
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>>737001234
Kris is built for rough sex
>>737003629
Kris was created for gays
>>737005179
Kris has a cock and balls
>>737005379
Kris needs more gay porn
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>>737007628
This reminds me I still have to replay Chapter 3 twice, one for weird route and the other because I missed a secret on the normal route. At least they changed the sword tunnel attack for the knight so it shouldn't be as hard.
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>>737007792
I had to replay it before the Knight was nerfed and beat it 3 times or so, which is why I can say it's overall easier than Sans. The worst is that I did it in an alternative save because I thought the Crystal would show up in Castle Town but it didn't because of the dumb blue ribbon glitch so I had to replay it AGAIN. Really hope Chapter 5 isn't this annoying.
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>>737007649
I don't mind it that much because I have my other two humans, it's just funny to me Kris attracts so many gays despite not being canonically a dude. I guess he's just too masculine for straightbros to lust over them usually.
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>>737008931
Kris has that vibe, but Toby won't confirm either way.
Anyway... I feel like we talk about this every time lol
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>>737009175
Because there's nothing to discuss and at this point these threads are mainly the same people talking with each other. I'm not that good at starting convos.
Maybe we can talk about worst case scenarios for Chapter 5? For me it's shipping being so prevalent that it overtakes discussion and every discussion is about Suselle/Krusie/Suselle/Soriel and nobody talks about the actual game.
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>>737009362
Shipping is going to be the main thing regardless of outcome. It's going to be even worse if it ends up being just a bunch of bait with no pairings confirmed.
Then we have the Asgore clownshow. Chances are Toriel will be presented as being in the right regardless of what happens like in UT so people will inevitably cry about it. Couple that with ch5 not answering a whole lot, adding even more questions, and you'll see these threads devolve rapidly after release.
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>>737009362
I ain't too worried about it.
I just want to see what happens next now
>>737009612
This broken site is pissing me off, it's bad
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>>737009836
I actually think bait pairings is one of the best case scenarios. I think the worst case scenario is Suselle happening and the weird route Kriselle festival date being a dud, but any ship being canon is 9/11 for Deltarune discussion here.
I definitely expect Asgore to be portrayed in the wrong and not as the based giga chad people think he is, so that's another heavy blow. I didn't even think about not getting any answers, that would be a nightmare scenario for me.
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I tried to post another post several times in another thread. This shit is worse than yesterday.
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>>737010203
I don't think so. If a ship is confirmed, like 100% on screen kiss with no way to cope about it or something similar, then at least some of them will give up and move on. If there's no confirmation then people will continue warring about it.
Best case for Asgore is about half the scenes being serious with the rest eggs-husband tier.
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>>737010203
I don't think so. If a ship is confirmed, like 100% on screen kiss with no way to cope about it or something similar, then at least some of them will give up and move on. If there's no confirmation then people will continue warring about it.
Best case for Asgore is about half the scenes with him being serious while the rest are eggs-husband tier.
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>>737010478
If Krusie gets confirmed the threads will be flooded with HMOFA tourists who don't care about the series gloating about Deltarune being a based HMOFA game and drowning all discussion. If Suselle gets confirmed we're getting culture warriors flooding the thread about how it's a woke game and every HMOFAfag will turn on the game. Halls of anal devastation only happen when a ship is confirmed.
I think the best case scenario for Asgore is to unironically be right about whatever he did and for people to end up respecting it even if Toriel and him don't get together. That and the Dark World in the flower shop respecting him.
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>>737010203
I don't think so. If a ship is confirmed, like 100% on screen kiss with no way to cope about it or something similar, then at least some of them will give up and move on. If there's no confirmation then people will continue warring about it.
Best case for Asgore is about half the scenes with him being serious while the rest are eggs-husband tier.
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Website is weird today because the slow captcha hasn't happened for me, but the slow posting speed is still happening, it takes so fucking long for the post to actually go through. Actually nevermind it has gotten even worse, I tried posting this multiple times and I've gotten multiple connection errors.
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>>737010720
Holy tits this site is shitting itself.
>>737010629
I'd assume people would move on after a while once their team loses, but I guess I should underestimate their vindictive autism.
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>>737011007
Sometimes connection error happens but the post still goes through. Gaster is fucking with us.
>>737011086
The site is getting really bad, but you underestimate shipping autism. Animes like AoT still have the same shipwars to this day. Almost every shonen does. Deltarune will have Krusie and Krisellebros until the end of times.
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>>737013685
Probably a lot of Undertale references. Toby keeps whatever he thinks is a spoiler underwraps and that's stuff like Gerson showing up. Although I personally think the we already heard the festival theme here.
https://youtu.be/FiAYZG4MjvM?t=134
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>>737013873
That piano solo from Toby had My Castle Town in it a year before Chapter 2 came out and it doesn't sound at all like "Snowdin". It's very likely it's a rough concept for the festival theme. Theorists never mention this for some reason.
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>>737013685
Couldn't tell ya, he's really cagey about it. Maybe we'll finally switch vessels so pretty much any screencap would spoil that.
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>>737014845
I think so too but I'm not sure what else could it be for him to be so unwilling to share anything besides irrelevant meme shit. Ch5 was originally meant to come out with 3 and 4 so it will probably have a few curve balls he doesn't want people to figure out beforehand.
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>>737005389
No problem. I feel like a lot of humanbros use these threads to download more human pictures so I'm always willing to help.
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I feel like Toby just doesn't want to show the festival and the Dark World at all. I expect Undertale characters to be important and a lot of Undertale allusions. Toby also barely showed anything from Chapter 4, too, before we had a release date for it. Just hometown scenes.It's terrible to actually post images today fuck
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>>737017004
I hope Undertale characters don't end up being too important to the plot. Asgore and Gerson are fine since we didn't get to see them all that much in UT but the rest should be
relegated to cameos/background characters
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>>737017348
Sans (and Papyrus by correlation) have to be important because of their connection to Deltarune even in Undertale plus their connection to Gaster. Toriel is already important by being the target of the Knight, saving Undyne is already our motivation and we give Mettaton Tenna. The only Undertale character that isn't important is Alphys so far.
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Any predictions?
>Chapter 5 starts with another Hometown section like Chapter 4, light world save points and all.
>Kris awakens in his room, implied to have returned home after leaving his house after Chapter 4's ending scene.
>Almost everyone in town is busy setting up the festival, the grounds of which are located behind the yellow police tape, which leaves the rest of Hometown we're familiar with mostly empty.
>Kris and Susie are here to roam that part of Hometown, visit Castle Town in proper, and (unsuccessfully) try to find clues to the Shelter codes.
>Eventually decide to go to the festival to continue the search, and maybe raise their spirits after the last two nights.
>They meet Noelle and Carol near the entrance, the latter of whom is looking for Susie (who promptly hides from her in the trees).
>Noelle joins the party, and the trio walk around the grounds to explore and do activities.
>Culminates in a Susie and Noelle cutscene (probably in another ferris wheel) while Kris watches from the ground (or maybe does some more soulless shenanigans).
>Afterwards, the focus than shifts to Asgore's absence, probably with Carol asking Kris where Asgore is and to go get him from his shop.
>The trio then return east, which is completely empty with everyone at the festival now.
>Susie thinks it's the perfect time to do some searching and maybe try to get Dess's guitar again, but they can't do that (or even visit Castle Town) with Noelle present.
>She plans to just get Noelle's flowers or Asgore, and bust back into the mansion; but as can be guessed, they find a dark world open in the closet, and that completely ruins her plans.
>They can't just leave the fountain open and get on with their search, lest another titan forms, and of course Noelle's there getting dragged back into this mess.
>After failing to hide the truth from her, she follows them inside.
>The dark world segment begins with Noelle returning as a prty member, filling in for Ralsei for a bit.
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>>737017543
ok 35th times the charm
I mostly meant I don't want to see them on screen too much or have them be the driving force behind whatever's happening with the dark world. We already saw them in UT, their deltarune counterparts are essentially the same characters, so I'd prefer to keep their presence to a minimum and have all focus on the fun gang and holidays.
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>rearrange the letters in deltarune
>it spells earthbound
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just remembered that 3/4 were released early because toby thought that people didn't want to wait that long
its been almost a year since they released and we don't even have a definite date for 5
was he seriously going to release 3-5 late this year?
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>>737018684
3-5 would probably have been released sooner than 5 standalone. Shifting from making the game to translating to testing to doing miscellaneous shit for release then going back to making the game then repeating the cycle wastes a bunch of time compared to having all your attention focused on one thing at a time.
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>tfw "tfw deltarune is an anagram of deltarune" is an anagram of "tfw deltarune is an anagram of deltarune"
YOU HACK
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>>737018684
I can't speak for Toby, but I think he originally thought he could complete all three chapters in one year each, and was aiming for a late 2024 release for Chapters 3-5. Since Chapter 1 and Chapter 2 both took three years to release, he probably figured that, if each release was expected to take three years, then it should ideally have one chapter per year. Obviously he overshot that when Chapter 3 took twice as long due to constant reworks, cuts, and general "frivolity" as he described it. It's probably also why he spent a lot of time "future-proofing" Deltarune to remove any non-issues before they become them; I'm talking about hiring the producer, stress-testing the game_change function, and making the Switch 2 and PS5 ports.
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>>737018001
We can't even consistently post images as well so not even a good fashioned human or doe posting can speed it up.
>>737018191
Our Snowgraves have caught up to us. It's time to freeze everything.
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>>737013685
Who knows what chapter 5 will be. It's far from the early game but also not quite into endgame territory.
On one side, 3+4 completely destroyed the notion that the game had patterns or a formula to be followed. On the other hand, Toby said years ago 4 and 5 were more "traditional" chapters compared to 3.
I don't think we're getting another "TV Quest" chapter, the dark world gameplay will probably follow the style from 4.
The first curve ball I'd considering is the dark world theming itself. It's not gonna be as straightforward as the previous ones. Maybe not the flower shop, maybe an open area, maybe multiple dark worlds you can go.
The second is the character cast. We might get very anticipated appearances, and they would be a very big part in the plotline, which is why he can't show anything. Asgore is the one given away (which still has a chance of not being a big deal), but there are many that would shock everyone. The most basic options are:
>lesser characters like Mettaton or Burgerpants
>more classmates
>return of Berdly and Noelle
>Toriel and Sans
>Carol and Rudy
The ones very much anticipated are:
>Papyrus
>Asriel
>FRIEND/Eram
The ones that would really fuck with people:
>Chara
>Flowey
>the vessel
>Frisk
And finally,Gasterhimself.
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>>737019874
If you mean Frisk falling it's from the cover of the intro book that comes with the collector's edition
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tell the class all the ways chapter 5 could disappoint you
>less than 4 worthwhile boss battles
>more mystery boxes introduced
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>>737017854
This is actually a very good prediction. The only things I will add is that Kris stayed in his house and Sans is the one to wake him up and takes him to the festival. Toriel went ahead to prepare the festival and what she did won't be addressed outside of a joke.
In the Dark World itself I will say FRIEND will probably play a decent role in it and Chapter 5 will be cat themed in general. Ralsei will also get jealous at some point and a major arc about the chapter will be about his fire magic.
Asgore won't be the main boss, the flower bouquet will be the main boss. Those are my main predictions, I'm trying to go in with an open mind for this chapter.
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>All its biggest story beats and lore are saved for AFTER the dark world.
>No progress made on the shelter codes.
>Asgore is not the final boss, or at least involved with the boss.
>The Knight's identity is revealed, and it's not Dess.
>No post-chapter Castle Town visit.
>Snowgrave content is still minimal, and doesn't have an exclusive battle.
>After giving Seam the fifth and final Shadow Crystal, he doesn't elaborate on what they're for or what he's making with them, and just tells you to "come back tomorrow".
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>>737018684
Yes. 3-5 was only going to be released this year if Toby didn't decide to delay Chapter 5. Very scary thought. I assume Toby overestimated himself and thought all 3 chapters would've been ready in 2024 or at best 2025.
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Somehow missed the "with stick" part of the post like a retard. I don't actually know where that came from surprisingly enough. I have failed as a Frisk lover.
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>>737021290
Currently? I can't think of any "popular" one that is good but not "this is literally already stated in the game guys". Objectively I will probably say it's Andrew Cunningham's analysis on the Knight conspiracy but I really like any theory where the Knight is a supernatural being and not just someone in a cool armor.
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>but I really like any theory where the Knight is a supernatural being and not just someone in a cool armor.
i mean can it really be anything else? The Knight is a Lightner or at least can exist outside out of a fountain but can also fucking fly and shapeshift in the dark. It ISN'T just a lightner that Kris knows about.
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It is never really confirmed that the Knight can exist outside of a Dark World though. I think that it is still entirely possible that the Knight is a Darkner working with a Lightner accomplice who carries it around as an item in the Light World and is strong enough to manhandle Undyne.
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>>736988473
>i am virtuous in my dysfunction and (guy who has it better) is actually WORSE than me! that's why i'm fixated on him and will repeat this at any opportunity
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>After giving Seam the fifth and final Shadow Crystal, he doesn't elaborate on what they're for or what he's making with them, and just tells you to "come back tomorrow".
He might elaborate a little bit on it but other than that this is 100% going to happen if you can give him the last crystal during the chapter.
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>I feel like he could have gone without Temmie's art
The ultimate redpill is that the reason Undertale looks so fucking bad is because Toby forced them to try and maintain his "style" though. The only reason Deltarune looks "better" is because he's made the concession of letting all his failed-artist tumblr loser friends put seemingly random amounts of their own art in.
Also good chance to bring up that one tweet from gigiwhatshername where she admits she's fucking terrible to work with and can't follow instructions but she lauds it like, "heh, toby said my art was TOO GOOD for the game, i guess i'm just that good". Because he's STILL trying to keep everyone down to his level of art.
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>>737021431
>Festival is skipped completely and never happens
>Asgore is a complete fool of himself and actually antagonistic against Kris and Co.
>Dark World isn't on flower shop nor festival but some random place like ICE-Es
>Nothing happens involving the Knight or Kris. Everything is still as vague as ever
>Asgore’s bouquet is completely irrelevant and is only NPCs at best
>Schizo is a meme like Woody
>Papyrus gets teased but with no sight of when he actually will show up
>Carol is just le homophobic mom but unironically
>More mystery boxes
>Yet we still get a controversial cliffhanger that makes the fanbase argue about it for years like with Chapter 2
>Snowgrave changes almost nothing important at all
>Egg and Crystal plot is completely irrelevant easter egg fodder.
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>>737021924
>All its biggest story beats and lore are saved for AFTER the dark world.
Probably won't happen completely but the biggest twists are 100% happening after teh dark world
>No progress made on the shelter codes.
If it involves Asgore we might get the police code.
>Asgore is not the final boss, or at least involved with the boss.
Asgore probably won't be the final boss or at all, but he will be involved with him somehow outside of battles
>The Knight's identity is revealed, and it's not Dess.
Unlikely, both the Knight being revealed and it not being Dess
>No post-chapter Castle Town visit.
Could very well happen
>Snowgrave content is still minimal, and doesn't have an exclusive battle.
It's possible it will have Chapter 4 tier changes but nothing more
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>>737038778
>Festival is skipped completely and never happens
It could be cut short but we will engage with it to some degree
>Asgore is a complete fool of himself and actually antagonistic against Kris and Co.
Besides being actively antagonistic, this is probably going to happen, best case scenario Asgore comes to his senses at the end of the Chapter and actually helps the gang, but that's about as good of a treatment as he's gonna get
>Dark World isn't on flower shop nor festival but some random place like ICE-Es
Unlikely
>Nothing happens involving the Knight or Kris. Everything is still as vague as ever
Something could happen but it might be so sudden and vague enough that we can't be sure of what it means
>Asgore’s bouquet is completely irrelevant and is only NPCs at best
Unlikely
>Schizo is a meme like Woody
At this point I don't even know
>Papyrus gets teased but with no sight of when he actually will show up
Could happen
>Carol is just le homophobic mom but unironically
Very unlikely
>More mystery boxes
Could very well happen
>Yet we still get a controversial cliffhanger that makes the fanbase argue about it for years like with Chapter 2
This is 100% going to happen
>Snowgrave changes almost nothing important at all
Could just be Chapter 4 style changes, but it's not guaranteed
>Egg and Crystal plot is completely irrelevant easter egg fodder.
Very unlikely, at least of the crystals, the eggs will probably give more info on the plot even if it's just info that won't affect the development or outcome of it.
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>these are the people plotting to shank susie in a dirty alley
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This but loli humans in general.
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>>737041291
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What’s his endgame?
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It also doesn't help that there's a huge waiting period that's gonna come right after the next chapter drops
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>>737039531
>Kris after Carol is done with them and they get a life sentence for 10TB of cub
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>>737041654
Us loli humanbros are strong together.
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>>737045030
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I don't think Toby could make a game out of his art.
This is not to say Toby isn't bad for a guy. For someone who's basically just doodling, he's actually pretty good
But all the things that make it charming and kind of endearing would also make it not translate very well into game assets.
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>>737041729
simultaneously too much and not enough information to make a bunch of theories, the femoids on /utg/ are current addicted to pippins porn so they're no help, almost all the posters left here a while ago leaving two humansfags and a redditor. not a winning combo
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>>737040437
A Lightner accomplice could open the fountain for the Knight though. They could be the "large person" hiding inside the closet in the library and behind the door in the church, because the idea that the Knight in their full edgy get-up is hiding in there is just kinda funny to me.
Personally, I believe the Knight is "Dustner" Dess, who is the Darkner version of the Black Knife covered in Dess' dust and inheriting her memories and feelings. And the reason the Knight doesn't turn to stone in the church's Dark World is because the Black Knife is the sharp object used by the accomplice to open the fountain. It also explains why the Knight is so strong, because the Black Knife is some kind of otherworldly anti-Titan artifact.
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It's gonna be canon. It's the best pairing in the whole game.
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>>737021431
No information revealed, the fun gang is just aimlessly chasing the knight around with no sense of where or why this is happening.
It's been fine so far but it really needs to change it up.
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>>737052046
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>>737047176
We need to be strong to endure the WAIT as we have less and less topics to discuss and argue about.
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There's four of us though.
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>>737053272
The Shadow Crystals the Knight is handing out are implied to contain Determination though, showing that it is possible for Determination to exist outside Lightners, so who knows.
Anyway, I just don't think that the Knight can easily walk around the town doing all those behind-the-scene stuff, especially with entering the church in broad daylight in chapter 4.
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>>737058637
We don't actually know for sure what the Crystals contain, determination so far is speculation, but even then I feel like Knight using the determination from Kris’s soul makes more sense for that as it's stated that SOULS contain the WILL of a person.
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>>737041729
>Your too slow
Tobby should have that as the wallpaper of his desktop and cellphone
The more the plot advances the less there is to speculate and variables get cut off and of course, we have been WAITing for years now
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>>736995380
More questions than answers
Festival gets a skip
No angst
Short light world, gimmicky dark world
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>>737059318
People don't like mentioning it but the closest we get to the end of the game, the less there's to speculate. We're at a point where most theories got BTFO'D but we don't know enough to predict what will actually happen.
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>>737060120
While there is a lot of brainrot creating a strong habit to post, i do wonder if there will be enough people to have threads in the futureOne of the good things of being this brand of hoomanfren is that the story for our faves is already over, heh
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>Kris will never experience this
Why did Toby have to make her a dyke?
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>>737061191
The threads will immediately revive once there's news and a new generation of posters will be born once 5 releases. My main worry is just what shipping might do to discussion in the future. Despite people complaining about the threads being shit depending on how the festival goes future Deltarune threads could be so bad that this is heaven.
>spoiler
Yep. Our favorites are free from whatever new stuff Toby cooks so we don't need to worry about future content screwing us up like what happened to Torielfags in Chapter 4.
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>>737061823
>UT/DR fandom is filled with people that hate each other
>T. Some anon years ago
The shipping wars did broke the core into /vg/, /sus/ and /doe/, as everyone wants to self insert as Kris despite being one of the main points the fact he is his own person resisting the player
To my eyes, Ch5 will be the peak and end of shipping until the last chapter, because the plot has to get serious now, kris has to reveal some of his plans and in the WR we have to break something changing the game as a whole, focusing on developing the underlying plot that we're only being teased with.
If tobby fails, and only delivers more questions, is the same but worse, as people will just lose interest instead.
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>>737062417
This fandom is extremely facturated. Even on 4chan we have the people from /vg/, here, /vrpg/ and /trash/ that basically all enjoy these games in different ways while shittalking one another. But shipping discussion has always dominated Deltarune discussion here like you said, rapeposting and the damn rose were the only things people talked about when 3 and 4 came out. I agree 5 NEEDS to be the culmination of shipping as a whole. The festival has been built up as this ultimate friendship event and it being blueballed might make people not want to follow Deltarune anymore. Episodic releases always end up bleeding players, Deltarune still having a huge fanbase is a testament to Toby and the game's quality but that can't be taken as guaranteed.
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>>737009362
>shipping being so prevalent that it overtakes discussion and every discussion is about Suselle/Krusie/Suselle/Soriel and nobody talks about the actual game.
That's gonna happen regardless of what happens in the game itself, every single interaction will be accounted for and then translated into hypothetical victories by shipfags
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>I can't see Toby baiting shiptards all the way to Chapter 7.
I can see that. I can also see Suselle getting a soft confirmation in Chapter 5, but I can 100% see Toby doing the "will they won't they" bullshit all the way up to Chapter 7.
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I think I will genuinely hate Toby if instead of actually having the interesting lore be expanded and having our questions answered, we waste time with more "who will this teen fuck"slop.
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>>737065102
I can definitely see him pussyfooting around until the very end or never even confirming anything.
It's annoying, really. This will they wont they shit is so tiresome. Just pick a pairing already and properly develop it, stop throwing breadcrumbs everywhere.
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>>737065531
He is either going to go
>Your ship is canon
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>No ships happened
Probably the 1st as is a safer choice for him
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>>737066162
>Being blue balled for years just to have a non ending
Imagine the seethe
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>>737065968
The cloudflare issues caused this thread to expand far beyond its natural lifespan.
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Ok so, let's think about the theory of Ralsei going away in Chapter 4, and why that might happen. So, we know the Mage leaves the part in Dragon Blazers, Dragon Blazers is based on Lord of the Hammer, which is itself based on the Prophecy, Ralsei is pretty much the mage of the group therefore it is not an insane leap of logic to identify the Mage in Dragon Blazers as Ralsei. We come to the second question, why would Ralsei leave, well, a theory I have heard is that he will leave because he will feel useless/supplanted, and I think this will be a key factor. As the party currently stands, Ralsei does have some unique abilities, Susie can heal now, yes, but Ralsei can Pacify too, and, in any case, 3 is better than 2 in a fight, so Ralsei does have an important role, so we must think of a character that can take Ralsei's place in the party and can more or less do everything he can, which leaves us with only one character, Noelle. Noelle can heal and pacify, she also has titles that refer to her as "caster", so Noelle is pretty much a mage. Given that we have datamined things such as dialogue for Noelle equipping items, and Chapters 3-5 were in concurrent development, it is not implausible to think that Noelle will appear as a party member in Chapter 5. So, Ralsei is the Mage, the Mage goes away, the reason for Ralsei going away is feeling that he's not needed anymore, Noelle can do the same things that Ralsei can, Noelle might also appear in Chapter 5 given the datamined dialogue, and Ralsei does mention to Susie that she should forget about him and make real friends, she rejects that, but still, he did say that to her.
So we have all this, what could happen in Chapter 5? Well what I think is, the four end in the dark world, for whatever reason, Ralsei sees Noelle being all friendly with Susie, he sees Noelle can do everything he can, and since Noelle is real, unlike him, then he probably thinks Noelle can take his place and be Susie's friend, and so, he leaves.
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>Ralsei pulling the "I'm not real, Noelle is, she can do everything I can." is what leads to Susie admitting she likes him as more than a friend
If this happens I don't care what else Toby does with the story. It'd be the perfect moment to make everyone that likes shippingshit in this game angry at the same time.
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Finally someone says this. I mostly agree with you, but there's one thing special about Ralsei, and that's his fire magic. The mage that leaves is specifically the fire mage and we know Ralsei has fire magic he doesn't use. It's very likely Chapter 5 will be about he explaining why he doesn't use it no matter what. Maybe he's the one who causes the inferno, too.
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>>737021290
The crystals are Dess soul
The end of the prophecy ends with the death of 1 of the main characters - Kris meddled in replacing noelle with susie
None of the main characters are the ones that were supposed to be doing the prophecy
Knight = Dess's dying body + Kris actual soul
Two knights
The world is filled with roots because is "my world" (Flowey's)
Hometown is fake/there is nothing outside it
WR ends in a softlock ending
We will use the castle in a kaiju battle
We saw berdly's mother (the teacher) and susie's father (the painter) in the 10th anniversary stream
Noelle is the girl/Dess was the girl
Anyone can replace the girl
Gaster and the Forgotten man are two different people
(Not cool) Due to the changes during the years, gaster's plot got discarded
Kris was the one that swooned the party with his knife
Rudy will die messing up noelle
Because the crystals are stored outside the savefile the endgame will be to do particular stuff in specific chapters, no need to do a full reset
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>>737067578
Yes this is true, I did not elaborate further since I was hitting the character limit, but Ralsei does already use fire magic during an Act in Chapter 4 with against Balthizard, so him leaning on this fire magic would give him somethng unique compared to Noelle, and that, among a bunch of other things of course, will make Ralsei realize that it's not just a replaceable darkner, but actually someone with unique value.
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>>737067025
This has to be the hospital darkworld
Many want a dark world in town, but that is ridiculous, how many dark fountains do you need to cover the town?, that would be the roaring
There are a lot of people who can be jealous of a lot of things, Asgore of Sans, Susie/Noelle of each other, Ralsei of the freedom of the lightners, Kris of everyone's freedom, Carol feeling her remaining daughter is being stolen, the main plot can be almost anything really, but certain things must happen
Susie or Noelle have to end up in a fight with us at least temporarily for the plot to move
Pushing the prophecy forward, revealing more of what is Kris doing
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>>737066162
That would be lame and make me disappointed with Toby. He was very clear of what ships were canon in Undertale, so him being a pussy here would be lame, but not unexpected.
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I know Toby has been trying to push this whole "the story is what you IMAGINE" angle recently but letting us decide what ship is canon would be like throwing a nuke to this fandom. It won't end well.
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>>737068634
Who knows if Tobby knows how he wants to do the details of the story, i'm sure he has the general gist, how to get there and narrate it in a satisfying manner?, we need some luck as his opus magnum is sure not his priority
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>>737069214
That would be very cruel but it's possible if Deltarune has a tragic end and the tragedy isn't subverted. Susie dying would guarantee this as most ships is about who will fuck her.
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Toby finished the script in 2020 so he should already know how to get there. He even narrated it to his friends while acting funny. There are people in this world that know all of Deltarune's story.
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>>737070267
I can't see Toby killing off his favorite pet. If anyone's dying it Ralsei, there really is no point to him staying alive when Asriel exists.
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>>737070810
Ralsei doesn't care about his life at all so I can't see him being the one fated to die. He wouldn't try so hard to change the ending if only he was the one chopping the block. Plus truth is that shipfags don't care about Ralsei at all.
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>>737065968
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>>737071105
That can always change, he already said he's been developing his own wishes and desires. Viewing himself as nothing more than a tool is just his way to cope with the situation
I doubt the final tragedy is just x character has to die. Whatever bad thing it is, his death would result in trying to prevent it, something he wouldn't do following the prophecy to a t.
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I assume all three heroes need to live in order for the world to be saved. The tragedy is bad but as seen when we die, the other end is the world being covered in darkness. I don't think Ralsei would kill himself and let that happen. The final tragedy is just a big mystery box but personally I think it's the two heroes killing Susie.
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>finished the script in 2020
Then the delays weigh as fucking so much worse than normal
Fucking tobby he could had finished the game years ago letting a team to follow the script and then he polishing the details
Well that sucks
...Though the game's feeling did change in ch3-4 i still believe he made some changes afterwards hmmm