>>737024235
if you don't enjoy a game on an HDTV/monitor then you won't enjoy it on a crt

If the game was produced when CRTs were the norm, yes, especially sprite games because the limited technology forced developers and artists to work within the limitations to produce good results.

CRTs are a meme but HRT will definitely enhance your gayming experience

is water real or is it just a meme?
:thonk:

>>737024235
oldish crts conencted to original hardware is true to the artists vision, this is what they used back then to make the games
HD crts hooked to your computer with an hdmi however are a meme

>>737024235
They were worth it when you could still get a decent one for 20~30 ducks, but nowadays it's not worth the trouble hunting one down. So yes, if you manage to find one for a real price it will enhance the experience.

people are scared to admit resolution and HD are a meme and desire the visual texture filters and film grain provide.

>>737024612
emufags will fight to the death that their filters are just as blurry and low res as a CRT

>>737024489
You still can.

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>>737024293
Wrong, CRT is objectively smoother

>>737024235
Played tons of games using a CRT.
If you own original retro hardware is great but for anything that has HDMI or better digital outputs, just use whatever modern TV or monitor, and that includes emulation on your PC

>>737024235
I wish they were a meme because they're getting harder and harder to find.

>>737024235
they make old games look how they're supposed to but you can use shaders on an emulator to get them looking close enough.

>>737026349
Only harder to find cause every fucking boomer and autist over values them, IKnowWhatIHave.jpg is the true meme

>>737026157
Good thing I'm not playing blur busters, but actual games. Enjoy your imagined superiority while you play games in a cryptic resolution, a forgotten aspect ratio, and an abysmal frame rate.

>>737026029
Find them? Of course, but you aren't going to be walking into your local donation center and seeing them anymore.

>>737026547
literally millions of CRT televisions sold

>>737024235
When the 7th gen launched and people moved from PS2+CRT to PS3+CRT they went from a controller that had 4ms latency to one with 100-150ms latency, but at least the controller was wireless... yay! If you plugged it in you could get it down to 14ms latency, but many did not do that, and that's still 10ms more than the PS2. But overall people's input latency went from <1 frame of input latency to 6-7 frames of lag.

When they found out that PS3+CRT kind of sucked because the devs were developing for higher resolutions and didn't account that 480i not handling fine test (480p was fine if you had a TV that could support it) they moved onto displays with 50-60ms latency. These are your early plasmas and LCDs, and they fucking sucked.

So you had people in the space of a year go from effectively 0 input latency from their controller and 0 latency on the TV to 200+ms latency on games that were running at sub 30fps framerates.


Things are better now - we have 1000hz polling on our controllers and our displays all have response times of <8ms now so we're all back to just below 1 frame of lag, but still higher than we were on PS2 - but we've probably hit the cap on performance here.

CRTs are still the best.

>>737026684
It varies by country. In Australia we had a very effective recycling program for them and so unfortunately lots of them were destroyed but still plenty of boomers kept them in their garage so - while I wouldn't say they are plentiful here - if you aren't picky about inputs, brands or size you can get one, especially if you're near the cities.

My theory is that they are so hard to find in rural areas because they were actually strong enough to move the things out of their home and to the curb or the tip, whereas the city types weren't so they just managed to get them into their garage and gave up.

>>737026157
>subject to camera speed
165Hz on my VA is completely smooth to my actual eyes.

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>>737026589
Heres an actual game retard

>>737028323
>completely smooth to my actual eyes.
Yeah and people say 30fps is good enough for their eyes too

>>737024235
Yes the worse the image quality the better the experience

>>737029254
Except I can distinguish the image properly. That's the difference. You also say 480p60 on a CRT is better than 4k165, which makes you a colossal faggotronic homosexual of the queer type.

>>737028323
Your eyes can deceive you, do not trust them

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>>737024235
CRTs will enhance games that were developed on, meant to played on, and leverage the mechanics of CRTs (the most famous example of which is the waterfall dithering in the first Sonic games. warning: massive autism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea6tw-gulnQ

>>737029202
That's blurbusters still, and it's also subject to the camera's recording ability. The ADHD zooms don't help the camera's already limited capability.

>>737029468
>Except I can distinguish the image properly. That's the difference
lol yeah and normies can distinguish 30fps properly too, face it you're a zoomer

>>737029575
>stop believing your lying eyes
Nice argument bro, all data shows os CRT is more smooth and you can't show a single thing to disprove it

>>737024235
Is this a serious question? Obviously tvs look better now than they did 30 years ago

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>>737024235
Color choices were often made assuming the image would be seen on a CRT, so a pixel perfect HD rendering is just going to look wrong.

>>737029836
>OP pic is a 3D game, which is stupid to play on a CRT

>>737029914
MGS1

>>737029981
MGS1 still benefits from higher resolutions and framerates.

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>>737030084
Framerates? It plays perfectly on a CRT so pushing it higher or lower is not exactly better.
Resolution? So that you can what, put a filter on it anyway?

>>737024235
If the game is standard definition and has a lot of scrolling that is parallel to the screen, then a CRT is the best way to play it, no contest.
Not only does it look better, there is zero motion blur, and no input lag.
The lack of motion blur means a 60FPS game looks faster and smoother than even a 240hz OLED or LCD.

If you haven't seen old games running in RGB on a CRT you have no idea what you're missing. SNES, Arcade and 2D PS1/Saturn games in particular look absolutely mind blowing.
>>737029914
You've never seen Fzero GX running in progressive scan on a CRT in RGB/Component.

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>>737029914
3D games were banking on the image being so blurry, it was hard to tell you were looking at 3D animation. When the monitor lets you count every polygon, it'll never look like a TV show.

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>>737024235
Looking back it definitely has a charm to it especially with how obsessed people are with graphics and frames these days it almost has a dream like quality to it

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>>737030223
Animations always look smoother at higher framerates.
>motion clarity of CRT
Not the same thing. There's more keyframes with higher framerates.
>filters
Why would I do that? If I'm playing a 3D game, I'm cranking it up.

>>737030340
I have seen them, I grew up with them, they weren't mind blowing then and they aren't now. Stop being a faggot.

>>737030537
>Not the same thing.
It really is when the animation was made with a certain fps in mind.
And I guess your idea of enjoying the art is making it look the complete opposite of what it was supposed to.

>>737030537
>There's more keyframes with higher framerates.
That's not what "keyframes" means.

>>737024235
CRT are better for vidya on a technical level, but sometimes you have to trade the better input lag and movement clarity for 4k 40-inch widescreen.

>>737030468
>2D backgrounds
So you're fully retarded.

>>737030843
Is RE2 a 2D game?

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>>737024235
Composite is trash. S-video or Scart.

>>737024235
Only games up until the PS1/N64 era were made with CRT in mind, playing anything past that with it is peak retardation

>>737031151
>Only games up until the PS1-

opinion discarded

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>>737026547
plus tips

>>737024235
>HD Remaster
Fag.

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>>737031151
PS2 era was made for crt

>>737030937
Why are you running it at such a low resolution? It's 3D.

>>737024235
completely retarded meme. blurry bullshit compared to crisp quality.

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>>737029836
just play at the proper zoom/resolution and raw will always be better.

>>737033327
You need glasses

>>737033354
no, i dont, because im not a crtfag.

>>737033327
kek, CRTnignogs do be like that.

>>737033371
If left is as blurred as right >>737029836 from far away, your eyes are not working

>>737024235
Only for Gran Turismo and Persona 4
5x resolution for any other game, also PCSX2 has good crt filters for the two games worth putting it for.

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>>737033435
you dont understand. its NOT blurred. its crisp, detailed, and beautiful. and all i did was copy/paste into mspaint and zoom out twice. your massively zoomed in picture is disingenuous and retarded.

>>737033609
The screen is meant to blur and stretch the art to give the real image shape, and you can see from the thumbnail alone that the right side is a completely different picture because of it. It's not crisp, it's precise and intentional so that it can come out looking like it should.

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>>737033609
>posts poorly interpolated image as if it means fucking anything
I'm not even that guy you're arguing with, but holy fuck you're retarded and clearly have no idea why pixel art presentation matters.

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>>737033818
>pretentious blathering cope
raw/left looks better. 5% squish doesnt matter. the screen looks like shit.

>>737024235
I am actually playing FFX for the first time on my 27" Sony Trinitron ProFeel CRT TV and I have been completely blown away by how well the graphics and art style hold up for a video game that is literally a quarter of a century old.

>>737029792
>Obviously tvs look better now than they did 30 years ago
But can they display analog content properly; i.e., 240p output?

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>>737033916
i said that all i did was zoom out in mspaint. and yes, the left still looks better.
>b-b-but the bright red dot contrasts so hard!
i will gladly take the brightness over the awful screen distortion. its funny how you made the screen look even worse in yours too.

Ignore retarded tribalism and assorted faggotry. The real answer is that games designed for/on CRTs will look better on a CRT. They were a fact of the time, whether you want to call it a limitation or whatever doesn't matter, but they influenced the way games were designed, visuals were built from the ground up to look as good as possible on a CRT specifically, and ignoring that simple fact would be foolish.

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>>737024235
They're nice to have for the novelty but if you're one of those retards that drop $300 on a Trinitron you can suck a troon's chode. I have a Commodore 1702 next to my desk that's comfy to have DVDs on while I work.

>>737034151
nah, crisp raw sprites and colors look better at proper zoom/resolution.

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>>737031151
Cope. Even Xbox 360 was designed for CRT TVs first and foremost. It didn't get a HDMI port or even 1080p output until well after it launched back in 2005.

>>737024235
>burn in
>limited Hz
>below 4k res
>naturally flickers
not my cup of tea sorry. It sounds intriguing but Im at a point where I dont want any flickering in my screens (I also dont want OLED because of flicker).

>>737034286
Cope. Many of the X360's launch titles had too small writings and were obviously meant for 720+ screens.

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>>737034286
I'm pretty sure the 360 AV port supported Component which could go up 1080p.

>>737026157
1000hz oled has the same motion clarity as CRT. And we will soon be there. Sony kust released a 700hz oled monitor

>>737034347
This. Dead Rising was almost unplayable on a CRT.

>>737034143
The screen distortion is a digital artifact. You would know this if you had the remotest idea what you were talking about or had even seen a tube television in real life.
Unfortunately you're just outright misinformed and incorrect, but that's fine with me. Less of you zoomers trying to hoover up old CRTs at least.

>>737034387
It took 1000hz to match 60hz, very impressive

>>737034375
Xbox 360 couldn't even output 1080p until October 2006, nearly an entire year after it first launched.

>>737030340
Very few 3d games are locked to a specific resolution. All true 3d games look better the higher resolution you run them at and any other viewpoint is cope and objectively wrong.
>>737029981
It looks better at higher resolution and with PGXP. If you want to be an autistic muppet about resolutions and play it in its original output resolution it will still look better supersampled and then downscaled to that resolution. If you think a raw 320x240 image looks better than a 320x240 image with 32x supersampling (1810x1358) you have brain damage. And it will even display just find on your old CRT tv

>>737034286
>It didn't get a HDMI port or even 1080p output
Because almost no one had these, and even fancy new TVs usually still had compoment cable inputs. No one wanted to buy a new TV and have none of their old VCRs, consoles, or DVD players work with it. 720p was also still considered "HD" at the time just FYI. The 360's AV component cable had outputs for both standard and HD.

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>>737034416
>the horrible black lines are a digital artifact
>they definitely dont exist in real life on real crts
as somebody that grew up with a tv (that needed to be on channel 3. whose power was also the volume knob) that had a crack in the side paneling that would shift from the tv's heat and send the picture into massive distortion like a porn channel you didnt own until you performed percussive maintenance to get the paneling back into place, you're fucking retarded and pretentious.

>>737030896
Yes.

>>737030937
Now render the bottom at 4k instead of 240p

>>737034649
>a picture of a CRT that has been scaled down looks the same as scanlines, shadow masks, and aperture grilles
Only the brightest minds on /v/.
Also stream that film, if you're so great.

>>737034440
Yeah finally after 30 years. But at that point the only benefit CRT will still have over modern screens is the pixel blending

>>737034754
The only benefit a CRT has is watching old fossils in their intended form, and that's never changing.

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I really miss my CRT. By the 00s, we had 3 in the house, I had one like this that remained in my bedroom for years.
Outside of games, the TV made this really relaxing quiet whitenoise. Some nights I'd let it run the late-night TV documentaries or movies as background noise, peak comfy.

Now I'm an adult with a huge flatscreen in the lounge which gathers dust. I'll watch a movie or TV show on it a few times a year, even the thought of playing games on such a big screen makes my eyes strain, prefer to play on a small screen or handheld, so I don't give a shit about 4k res, only plebs fuss over that and framerates

>>737034732
thank you for proving my point.
i accept your concession.

CRT's don't have VRR* which makes them awful for PC gaming. Your choices are
>VSync / buffered frames = Latency or Suttering
>Tearing = Low latency but a fucked up image.
Some hardware hacks have done this but only on a specific model so no, CRT's don't meaningfully have VRR

>>737034732
>>737034416
>the lines in op's image (and every crt image) dont exist in real life
if you look at a crt and dont see the lines, then you're the one with the blurry vision, lmao

CRTs are basically mandatory for light-gun games, because depending on how they work the analog to digital conversion latency or the lack of a sweeping beam might render them useless.

>>737034814
Yes, 2d games look better on CRT because od the pixel blending. But that's it.

>>737034823
The constant flicker and ionizing radiation of a CRT is a lot more straining for the human system. You've just gotten old and weary.

>>737034974
They don't look the same in photographs as they do in real life. Am I arguing with ESLs in here or something?
>>737034876
>no stream
Makes sense I'm talking to some newfag.

>>737035028
Everything up until 7th gen and also the wii are better on a CRT

>>737034879
There is a workaround that works on every fixed display rate monitor, not just CRTs. Low lag vsync, blurbusters wrote about it. Basically ut consists of using vsync but setting a frame limit 0.01 lower than your refresh rate. First you need to find your exact refresh rate, its probably not exactly 60hz but it could be. Then you would use RTSS to set the frame limit to 59.990. Voila! Now you have vsync and no tearing, and yet barely any input lag because you basically circumvent the vsync framebuffer. VRR is still slightly faster but only by a few milliseconds

>>737035118
If you're determined to play on original hardware, then yes. Because CRTs look better if you are forced to play at low resolutions. But all true 3D games look better at the highest resolution possible, so those games would look better on an emulator rendering at a higher resolution on an OLED at 1000hz

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>>737034413
Honestly this gets pretty overblown. Dead Rising is perfectly fine on an SD CRT.

>>737024235
They do because you don't want to see the shitty textures or the aliasing that those games have.

>>737035341
The whole point of a CRT is that you are on original hardware and playing what the developers intended, if you don't care what the game's supposed to look like, then yeah who gives a fuck.

>>737035517
There is no such intent with 3d games since 3d models dont have a fixed resolution.

>>737035642
Are you playing 3d games where models aren't textured?

>>737035070
>its only in photographs, i swear!
lmao keep lying to retards and children. people that lived and gamed through the 90s know better. people that dont need glasses can clearly see it.

in pic related, the wavy lines (kind of like a fingerprint) are a photograph effect. the SCREEN itself, as you can clearly see in op's picture (especially over wakka's face) is ever present and looks like shit.

>>737035642
Textures do, unless you want to say that AI upscalers are fine, and 3D models like Tekken are so primitive you start to lose detail by making them more defined. This line starts to blur as you get through the 6th gen, and games do have widescreen support, but they still weren't made with 4K in mind.

>>737035739
Nice pic, dumbass.

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>>737035780
ha ha, it didnt attach

>>737035725
>>737035772
Low res textures look like shit on any resolution. CRT only inherently makes sense for fixed 2d sprites.

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>>737029558
Why would anyone want to watch a video by a Ameri/Meximutt with a lisp?

>>737035886
Okay? Then I'll take my low res texture being blended naturally over displaying it raw in 4K.

>>737035885
That's moire which means the set is defective junk.
I really don't believe you when you pretend that you've used a CRT before.

>>737036005
That's a preference, sure. But that texture wasn't "designed" or "intended" to only be displayed like that since it was not designed around being viewed at a static exact viewpoint

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>>737029836
>the retarded teeth argument again
Here's the official art this is supposed to represent

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>>737024235
There's a reason why nobody noticed any sort of downgrade when plugging their old consoles into a non-CRT for the first time 20 years ago & why nobody demanded handheld CRT tech.

>>737036152
>teeth
I have never heard someone claim that is supposed to be teeth.

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>>737024235
They help a low-res signal look a lot better. But you can get much of the effect with a shader.

>>737036176
Early flatscreens looked extremely bad. Goycattle dont really have much thoughts of preferences other than what they are told to have. Since no news media told them flatpanels didnt look bad they didnt think they looked bad.

15 years ago microstutter waa considered a schizophrenic conspiracy theory on this very board. Because youtube ecelebs were not talking about it yet so the goycattle hadnt accepted the concept yet.

>>737029836
his eyes are glowing due NTSC artifacts not CRT, they look different on a PAL TV

>>737036206
Looks like shit. CRT filters are still getting mogged by simple ntsc rgb filters + bilinear

>>737036312
They don't always look red with NTSC.

>>737036082
you dont have to believe me. it wont change the fact that the lines of the screen itself is ever present and that it looks awful. its visible in every crt picture posted here, and its not just "because of photography". if you cant see the screen in real life, then you have blurry eyes and need glasses. its a simple fact.

>>737036285
you're obviously a schizo

>>737036376
I can see the "screen" which is why I specifically talked about aperture grilles and shadow masks.
As long as you don't plant your eyeballs against the TV it is a non-issue.

>>737036376
If you have scanlines its because you have shitty american cables

so whats the best crt shader

>>737024235
>Are CRTs a meme
yes crts are a meme, they make everything look like blurry washed out ass
if you actually cared about stuff like that you'd just get a monitor meant for color precision which is its own can of worms

>>737036442
>its only the americans
LMAO thats a new cope.
>>737036439
>you can only see it up close
you need glasses.

>>737026157
Playing PS1 Driver on a CRT is a crazy experience the Game runs at like 20 fps but Since CRT motion is perfect and not blurry its like seeing a very fast slideshow

>>737036551
>now using the exact same argument but on the other side
kek we've come full circle
>>737033327
>>737033354
>>737033371

>>737036715
>if the raw, crisp pixels blend for you, you need glasses
>they arent blending. they literally look better as crisp and clean
crt fag gets btfo
>crt fag sits too close to the screen, analyzing every dither and pixel
>utterly destroys his eyes
>cant see the lines of the screen at all anymore
>tries to claim that the lines you see are only because of photography or faulty machinery
>if you cant see the lines of the screen because its all blending together, you need glasses
crt fag gets btfo twice

theres no circle. crt fags are just pretentious autists. nobody needs to know the difference between aperture grilles and shadow masks in order to recognize that raw is a better picture.

>>737036426
You are obviously NPC goycattle

>>737024235
they absolutely enhance the gaming experience.

>>737024235
>enhance the gaming experience
Just fuck off

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>>737036320
Looks good enough for me.

>>737038006
your filter is ass, dude. nothing is being blended properly.

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>>737029836
it really is that simple but newfags will never allow themselves to understand because it implies they've missed out on something

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>>737038095
Something blurrier, if you insist. Ares comes with DOZENS of shaders of all sorts.

>>737036285
>microstutter
I've only ever seen this once in my entire vidya life and that was with a r290x in one game

>>737038006
>loses 40% brightness and you can see black lines everywhere
These filters look nothing like actual CRTs

Games on CRTs are pure fucking magic. Gaming feels fucking shitty and soulless on a flat screen.

>>737036556
Cool. Personally I prefer emulation. I played gran turismo 1 in 1080p 60 fps (yes its real actual 60 fps not interpolated or generated)

>>737030537
that looks disgusting and you have no taste, faggot

>>737038739
Almost every single game has miniscule amounts of it unless you use both vsync and an external framecap. Doing this you get perfect framepacing like on console

>>737030671
>It really is when the animation was made with a certain fps in mind.
And that's only the case with 2d animations. 3d animations dont "run" at a specific framerate.
>>737039000
No you.

>>737039000
Trips of truth. Anyone thinking low poly 3D PS1 games look good in high res and with no filter is a blithering, drooling subhuman retard.

>>737038928
From that shader's name, I think it mimics the XM29 Plus, a professional monitor. So it won't look exactly like a plain home TV.
https://bluegamersite.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/nec-xm29-plus-the-holy-grail-of-monitors/

>>737024235
Yes because games were like 20-30 fps back then.
Now that games are coming back to the same rates, with how shit games are now, CRTs are so back.

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>touch the screen
>die

>>737039109
You just outed yourself as a poorfag. The only reason you guys think 5th gen games should be played in 240p is because your psrents were too poor to buy a pc. While you were coping with 240p 25fps and geometry shaking around like it had epilepsy, pc chads were playing the exact same games at 800p 60 fps.

Cope and seethe poorfag

>>737039150
Ive yet to see a professional crt monitor that doesnt look like ass. The whole reason to use crt is the pixel blending but all these professional monitors are so clear thry have less pixel blending

>>737028323
"Smooth" isn't the correct term here.
"motion clarity" is what we are referring to.
If you perfectly lock your eyes onto an object moving across your screen, it will appear smeared and not as sharp as when it is stationary.
VA's have especially poor motion clarity due to their slow pixel response times.

>>737039354
>poorfag
I have a widescreen CRT monitor worth thousands that's smoother and looks better than whatever trash you use. I also have a stack of games that's worth more than your whole setup, lmao. The only seething poorfag here is you. Sorry you missed your chance to play both intended and superior hardware, LOL. I guess that's why you convinced yourself garbage like that image looks """""good"""", zoom zoom.

>>737024235
I don't think Critical Race Theory has improved gaming desu, no

>>737039109
3D games don't need filters. They need to actually be rendered in high resolution in the first place!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aetsSOfMRq0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POqy92edBSs

>>737039441
soulless shit, normalniggers will never get any taste.

>>737039441
Looks like crap at high res lol.
Clearly made for CRT not HD,4K.

>>737039436
Thats cool for 2d games but for 3d games it looks like fucking ass and the only reason you have convinced yourself otherwise is because you come from a poor family and got used to 240p so its the only resolution that looks "right" to you

>>737039486
>>737039518
I recall some Squaresoft dev commenting recently, "why are people nostalgic for those damn warping textures, that was a hardware flaw I worked my ass off to work around."

>>737024235
It's a meme unless the game was specifically designed for a crt

>>737039486
>>737039518
Nostalgiagoggles from poor families

>>737039530
>3d games it looks like fucking ass
>thinking a CRT monitor only goes up to 240p
>clearly never used a CRT of any kind
KEK, you retarded zoomer, go back to class widdle boy

>>737039640
This,my PAL CRT goes up to 576i.
HD CRTs go up to 1080i.
and CRT monitors can go even higher.

>>737039640
You said you think it looks better at low resolution retard. You said it, not me. Obviously a 1200p crt will look better than any currently available flatpanel. But only in a few more years we will have 1000hz oleds which give you the same motion clarity as a crt

>>737039685
I have a professional grade CRT widescreen monitor. It does high res and refresh rates. Games look incredible on it, I even play modern stuff. The sense of depth and motion clarity are amazing. The colors look more natural than any other display. I love the subtle glow. Flat screeniggers will never understand. And I hope they don't. More for me.

>>737039770
Both are true, normalshitter. You have a CRT TV for low res gaming and a CRT monitor for high res gaming. Or even running low res modern games on a CRT, they look completely fine because of the way CRTs display images. That's the magic of it. CRTbvlls mog your soulless flat garbage.

>>737039640
>thinking a CRT monitor only goes up to 240p
Not the monitor, fool. 5th generation consoles typically rendered 3D games at 240p because going higher would strain the hardware. Some games used 480p, or had the option to (often on the N64 with the memory expansion), but that usually meant sacrificing performance or texture space.

>>737039936
I never contested that CRT looks better than any currently available flatpanel running at the same resolution. I contested the idiotic notion that ps1 games look better at 240p 25fps with epileptic textures than in 4k 60fps with zbuffering and supersampling

>>737024235
yes, I can't play old snes/psx/ps2 games without some good crt shaders

>>737024235
For old games that were specifically made to be viewed on one they are better (meaning PS1 or maybe PS2 era and earlier. Anything before "HD" TVs). Otherwise there is no real advantage to using one.

>>737040082
>I contested the idiotic notion that ps1 games look better at 240p 25fps with epileptic textures than in 4k 60fps with zbuffering and supersampling
>The smeared paint blurry blob is better than what it was actually made to look like because it's an HD blurry paint smear

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>>737038185
scanline filter are fucking awful, the scanlines would never be actually visible unles you were playing with your face glued to the TV. and why do they make the game so much darker?

>>737041441
Yes.

>>737041737
Try literally viewing it from further away. At your computer monitor you basically do have your face "glued to the TV". Actually sit further back and look at it.

>>737039109
What are widescreen CRTs for?

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>>737024235
>enhance the gaming experience?
yes, it's like playing a different game

>>737027261
>So you had people in the space of a year go from effectively 0 input latency from their controller and 0 latency on the TV to 200+ms latency on games that were running at sub 30fps framerates.
this is why the rhythm genre died BTW.

>>737040043
Lol, sure you weren't talking about the monitor, sure. Doesn't fucking matter. It still looks like shit on anything that's not a CRT.

>>737041807
Nta, lmao, you tasteless retard.

>>737029558
I played sonic 3 on a CRT over RCA just last week and the waterfall dithering didn't work.

>>737034387
>>737034754
1000hz isn't enough, the game has to actually RENDER at 1000fps for the benefits to work.

>>737041312
modern pixel art indie games are also great candidates, something like cyber shadow, shovel night or even stardew valley. i hate how clean they look in high resolution.

>>737043559
thats false

>>737035178
Doesn't fixed stutter for dropped frames though.

>>737039063
nta but what about frame-locked animation? don't 3d animations (and the whole logic of thegame) speed up if you don't preserve the original fps the game was made for?

>>737034016
Imagine playing it in 2001. Especially if it's the first game you played after upgrading from the PS1/N64. It's one of those games that actually blew minds.

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Make flat CRT

>>737046759
if you're dropping frames you need to lower your settings. and dropped frames are visible with VRR although less so

I wish CRTs weren’t so hard to find in the US. Why are they basically extinct outside of $200+ scalpers? Weren’t they made by the literal billions?

>>737047231
it depends on the game. most emulated games dont support higher framerates out of the box, someone has to make a 60 fps hack for it, and such an author would also try and fix any speedups or other bugs. frame locked 3d animation is very rare but its not uncommon for older 3d games to have some game logic tied to frames rather than time

>>737047982
>and dropped frames are visible with VRR although less so
No they aren't, that's literally what VRR solves.

>>737048071
A lot of people threw out their CRTs because they were bulky and the picture was low resolution. It was also a sign of low class if you were the only one in your neighborhood who still hasn’t upgraded.

>>737048206
They are visible but less visible. Most people dont notice microstutters nor VRR framedrops

>>737024235
>please buy my disgusting second-hand CRT reeking of cigarettes and filled with cockroach corpses
Miss me with that shit, unc! Second-hand is for the poors, and the disgusting.

>>737048415
>They are visible but less visible.
Dropping a frame on a VRR display isn't perceptible. That's literally what VRR solves.

>>737024235
They will display retro games how they're supposed to to look, but unless you're a retard who looks at your screen from like 2 inches away there won't be much of a difference.

>>737024235
There is a objectively superior presentation to it, but ultimately it's the quality of the game and it's character (not to be confused with "characters") that should matter
Unfortunately, gaming is now defined by corpo trends, specs, and streaming culture, so try looking for heart where there is none ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>737048502
Clown.

>>737024235
A meme in the way that I wouldn't go out of my way to get an old one still working somewhere. And, especially, I wouldn't go full into the PVM extreme autism faggotry. It's dangerous to your mind.
However, grifters are eating good thanks to these faggots. They find an old working set, especially if it's Flatron or something, and then sell it on Amazon or wherever as "SUPER PRIME CONDITION RETRO GAMING MONITOR!!!! ONLY $599!"

>>737024235
A meme. I grew up with them, they are NOT, believe it or not, magical.

>>737048802
Your complete inability to demonstrate how I'm wrong speaks volumes. Yes, you're a clown I agree.

>>737048165
Ty

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The CRT situation is sad when you consider that video games were just a passing fad. The golden age of games was 1985-200X which is why we get nothing but remakes and remasters, because everyone knows it. Sales are tapering off outside of live service slop. New games aren’t being made. Thousands of employees are laid off each year. It’s over. Everything that’s worth playing requires a CRT and even those are going extinct. Soon people won’t even remember how to play games they way they were meant to be seen.

It’s all going away.

>>737049535
Cool. Thank you for telling me about the marketing material.

>>737050583
Thanks for once again failing to demonstrate how I'm wrong. I accept your concession.

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>>737049807
I really hate this doomer shit but I'm starting to come around to the cold embrace of death

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>>737024235
that image made this theme play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em66TbWpus0

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>>737024235
CRTs are vastly superior by default.
Majority of older content look better on them, same with modern stuff. And some games, such as lightgun titles, REQUIRE them to even operate.

>>737029740
All the data shows is that you use ancient tech like a retard while pretending it's superior. Pretty sure if CRTs were better they'd still make them lol. Enjoy living in 2008 I guess.

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>>737031232
Incorrect.

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>>737034651
>bro just ruin the art with higher resolution

>>737052434
>All the data shows is that you use ancient tech like a retard while pretending it's superior.
You have an OLED right, dont tell me you are an LCD user while trying this

Putting a layer of thin horizontal black lines on the screen apparently removes jaggies.

>>737030537
>zoomer wants to experience old game
>modifies game to become unrecognizable from original experience
>pretends he has experienced the same thing as boomers and how developers intended

>>737024235
Better dead than Al-Bhed I always say.

>>737051753
see >>737034879
No they aren't

>>737052759
Early LCD was shit we know.

>>737052957
No, the art is ruined by the low resolution. This is especially clear on PS2, where a lot of games have really detailed environments that you cant even see at 480i.

>>737053430
Eat shit retard im 33. You have no taste and you have no idea what the developers intended.

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>>737054649
Yeah bro old art is ruined by low resolution, just look at how much better mona lisa with greater detail!

>>737054718
What they intented is what they released retard, you changing it is NOT what they intended

I feel like I entered a fucking parallel universe every time I enter these threads where CRTs were suddenly good and where 90 percent of them weren't just piles of shit subjected to glare. I'm fucking 33 grew up with this shit and was there for their death and I just can't help but say good fucking riddance

>>737054960
fucktard. yes of course all devs just loved 240p resolution thats why they chose. not because they had too. you are too retarded and tasteless to understand your argument ONLY works for 2d

OLED is truly next gen. That 0.03ms GTG is not a meme. It's innovation.

>>737054896
low iq zoomer subhuman who unironically thinks render resolution modifies the assets

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>>737055241
You were saying

>>737055410
use the same display tech for both retard

>>737055174
Yes they intended for it to be 240p when they made the game, yes they intended to play it on a PS1 controller, yes they intended to view it on a CRT

>>737027261
>made up numbers

>>737055468
Left is what ps2 was meant to be played on, not a LCD at 4K. Clearly shows a different image

>>737024235
You could try one of more recent options like the EDTV before it becomes much rarer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5139M4IeZU

>>737055493
>they intended the game to drop to 15 fps bro this was the artists vision for sure!!1!

>>737055582
you are too unintelligent to even follow the discussion. you retard there are CRTs going up to 2304x1440. but you insist 320x240 is the superior resolution because you're a braindamaged nostaligafaggot who only play old games to reminisce about your childhood, you dont actually care about the games themselves as games

NTSC color bleed is peak

>>737055742
>>they intended the game to drop to 15 fps
15fps on CRT is way smoother than a LCD of the same framerate see >>737026157
>you retard there are CRTs going up to 2304x1440. but you insist 320x240
Why are you so obsessed over resolution, you can clearly see all the detail in the image at 240p. Are you genuinely autistic?

Depends on the game. If it's 240p content, usually a CRT can enhance the experience - though apparently HD monitors can make modern games look good in terms of colors and whatnot. However for emulation, the justification for CRTs is becoming lessened with time. Shaders are becoming extremely accurate, and coupled with an OLED they're basically indistinguishable. I have a triple monitor setup with an LCD, OLED, and a PVM (via VGA to RGB on a second AMD 5450 graphics card). Despite access to the PVM, I'm still very impressed with how the OLED replicates the CRT look.

I still wish new CRTs were still being made, but over time they will all stop working. Hopefully that new Mini RGB tech closes the gap even further. My main concern are if new technologies have shitty lifetime hours.

I love my PVM, but I know it's going to die one day. I have other good CRTs at my house, but I invested a bit into getting the RGB output set up.

>>737056750
>Though apparently HD CRT monitors can enhance modern games
Fixed.

>>737048906
They emitted magical X-Rays thanks to bremsstrahlung occuring when accelerated electrons from the electron gun in the CRT components hit the phosphor on the screen. Being stopped and absorbed suddenly, meant emitting that kinetic energy as high energy photons - X-Rays. Of course, it was an effect not significant enough to do any damage, but spreading knowledge about it allowed grifters yet again to make bank on simple "radiation screens". Especially scaredy, dumb moms bought that for monitors used by their kids, regardless of actual scientists and data showing how it truly works.
Besides , these screens were in majority of cases just glass, often a little darkened, but penetrative to X-Rays all the same. You'd need heavy and expensive to make lead glass, like ones used in radiation therapy centers.

>it's an another thread full of females and troons trying to troll people by intentionally misunderstanding the discourse
daring today, are we?

>>737056535
>15fps on CRT is way smoother than a LCD of the same framerate see >>737026157
again, youre too low iq for this discussion. that post is about motion clarity. if anything low image persistance makes low framerates even more noticable. you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about

>Why are you so obsessed over resolution, you can clearly see all the detail in the image at 240p. Are you genuinely autistic?
you're the autistic retard arguing 3d games must be displayed in 240p because thats what you saw when your poor mother who couldnt afford a pc got you a ps1 instead

>>737057374
>Being stopped and absorbed suddenly, meant emitting that kinetic energy as high energy photons - X-Rays. Of course, it was an effect not significant enough to do any damage
It does do damage. you motherfuckers are always moving the goalposts to shill your toxic garbage. normally you regurgitate the retarded meme "its non-ionizing so its not harmful". but in this case, where CRTs actually emit ionizing radiation you retarded NPC faggots go "so what if its ionizing radiation its so little its not harmful". absolute subhuman

crts are literally obsolete
https://testufo.com/crt

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>>737024235
Why no one makes modern CRTs? There's clearly a demand for this at this point.

>>737058838
Too expensive to produce now, but once we see consumer sets crack $500-1,000 I bet you somebody will show up at that price point.

>>737055145
Same. First LCDs had some problems, like the image being significantly different depending on the position you're looking at it from and weren't this sharp. BUT. They were much lighter yet offering a bigger screen (depending on your needs), also much more energy efficient. Later LCDs fixed these issues and the onset of LED use has finally put the CRT to the trashcan of History. Many people can't let go of their childhoods, and convince themselves they NEED a CRT to experience a given, old game the same way they did as kids. It's sort of sad when THIS is what they aim for, as, most likely, people a few years older than 30.

>>737055514
show me the real numbers nigger

>>737057816
>you're the autistic retard arguing 3d games must be displayed
No cause it objectively looks better as evident with image proof shown before, ps1 games look like shit in 4K
You have shown nothing to prove otherwise only seething

>>737034286
>>737034375
>>737034541
I'm pretty sure it could do 1080p over VGA at launch.

>>737062041
you compared a crt to a dogshit lcd. you didnt do an isolated comparison of high resolution to low resoluton

>>737062041
>>737062795
>>737055410
is that even the same version of the game? or is it on a different platform, a different port?

>>737062795
You are playing on a shitty lcd, resolution doesn't matter if you got an objectively shitty display with worse contrast and motion clarity

>>737063072
im playing not on an lcd but an oled, which has better contrast and worse motion clarity. this discussion was about RESOLUTION. and to support your stupid argument that lower resolution is better you showed 2 different ports of one game on 2 different monitor types

>>737063792
>this discussion was about RESOLUTION.
No it was about the art of the game which were made for CRT which do not support 4K resolutions. Only newer displays support 4K but they aren't CRT so they make the game look worse

>>737054896
Mona Lisa is paid model slop. He didn't create that person in his mind having never seen a human before like real artists.

>>737054649
It's fun to emulate a 4GB ps2 game and have it look better than a 20GB 'remaster'.

>>737064619
only 2d sprites were specifically made for crt. also there are CRTs that support 1440p and the same game would look much better at 1440p CRT than on 240p crt