>>737054440
he was focused on going to kill Yunalesca and guiding Tidus

>>737054440
Nobody else was going to believe him until the confrontation with Yunalesca so he didn't bother. As for why he didn't tell Tidus, it's probably because he knows the guy can't keep his mouth shut and would ostracize himself from the group far too quickly. Tidus earns a lot of their sympathy and pokes at the heart of their insecurities about their religion without triggering rejection because they all believe his brain is scrambled and he has amnesia. Him not understanding something or voicing that he thinks it's weird or bad (when they also secretly feel that way but can't bring themselves to openly question it) is okay for an amnesiac to do, and forces them to justify themselves. If Tidus starts talking about specific knowledge about the religion AND calling it fake and evil and their whole lives a lie all at once, he stops being 'a poor amnesiac who struggles with the difficult reality' and becomes 'that crazy heretic who hates god and wants us all to die.'

Anon, every after everything the party goes through and learns about Sin and Yevon and the theocracy of the dead, they STILL don't give up on the Pilgrimage and sacrificing Yuna and one of her Guardians until Yunalesca flat out laughs in their faces and tells them Sin is NEVER going away. Yuna, Lulu and Wakka are all willing to go through with it up to that moment.

It's the shock of seeing it all happen in real time, having to experience it themselves, with Tidus' presence and perspective putting just enough doubt into them to make them (or really just Yuna) believe there could be another way to save the world. That Yevon and the Teachings and the Final Aeon and the "spiral of death" don't have to rule Spira forever.
If Auron had just told them that they would've doubled down on their deeply held beliefs and closed themselves off to any alternative. That's why he says nothing but insists Tidus be taken as a guardian alongside him. He needs them to go through what he did.

>>737054440
he'd have to murder wakka in the process

>>737056534
Wakka's vocal about it and hates the Al-Bhed because of his brother but Lulu is just as into the whole thing as he is.

>>737056840
Lulu doesn't seem unhinge or anything, i suppose she just genuinly believe that Sin would eventually stop showing up if people completed the pilgrimage and followed the teachings of Yevon.

>>737057061
Lulu is a more classic true believer. She believes in all this but doesn't feel the need to be confrontational because she's secure in that. Wakka is, despite the Grand Wizard memes, actually the doubtful one. His brother dying made him hate Al Bhed and reinvest strongly in the religion because it also made him doubt the justice of this world and the tenets of his religion. He's loud and abrasive and insists on the teachings because he's trying to convince himself as much as he is everyone else.

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>>737057269
I think Lulu had her doubts at that point. People forget she already lost a Summoner before. She went along with Yuna hoping she could protect or stop her in some way, not to see her reach the end of her pilgrimage.

>>737057061
Lulu went on Pilgrimage twice before taking Yuna and got to the Calm Lands both times. The first time her summoner died, the second time the summoner gave up. Now she's doing it again with a girl she's known 10 years and is basically her little sister. She's really dedicated to Yevon.

auron didn't do shit because he knew it was all futile, spira is dead and everyone in it is a fucking ghost

>>737057505
>because he knew it was all futile
Auron is driven solely by the belief that it's not futile and he can fix everything like he promised to Braska and Jecht. He wouldn't be undead if he didn't.

>>737054880
This nigga didnt play the game lmao looked over a reddit summary

>>737061668
I played the game when I was ten years old senpai.

>>737054440
It wasn't his story.

>>737054440
Auron held his cards close to his chest. Keep in kind completing the pilgrimage to begin with is not a given, so he focused on making sure Yuna actually gets to the finish line first without stirring up shit that would potentially distract or disintegrate the party.

>>737059032
Still never understood why it was such a big secret that the dead could still survive if attached by purpose? If people knew that you'd just die and become immortal.

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>>737062090
What was his purpose?

>>737062090
Doubt everyone has a strong enough purpose to do it

>>737062239
He was basically Spira's leading political figure and politicians are cunts

>>737062090
Because only the truly driven become sentient, non-fiend unsent. And if you're tying yourself to a singular purpose you will eventually succeed or fail at it to the point your hold on Spira dissipates and you go to the Farplane anyway. Or maybe turn into a regular fiend.

>>737062239
Ensuring Yevon runs the way he wants it to run for as long as he can. He's a mixture of self-obsessed egotist and genuine belief that the Final Summoning is literally all there is to keep people from the endless despair of knowing Sin is never going away.

>>737054440
Because few would belive him and the higher ups would probably ostracize him.
He also wanted Tidus/Yuna and co to figure it out for themselves.

That scene when one of the Maesters asks why Auron is still here is great when you know the truth later. Also how Yuna and co don't know whats going on. Auron knows, the Maesters know etc but none of them do.

Where was Auron between when Sin takes him at the beginning of the game and when you get him in the party, does it ever get brought up, presumably just making his way to Luca but that's boring

>>737054440
Auron's been through it himself, he knows what it takes to make someone of unshakeable faith actually recognize the truth. Just telling them wouldn't cut it, especially for someone as committed as Yuna.

>>737062239
>is a major character in the story
>gets the potato detail random npc-quality model and painted on lip flaps

>>737054440
Out of curiosity, aren't there other ways of defeating Sin?

Titus and Jecht are proof that dream people from Zanarkand can not only leave, but be used to fight Sin. If both Sin and the dream people like Titus and Jecht are fueled by the Summoners atop mount Gagazet, then having the dream people leave would be draining energy and strength away from Sin.
If you had enough of the dream people become Aeons like Jecht, or just fight Sin conventionally, Sin would eventually be starved from within, right?

>>737063353
This

>>737062090
>Still never understood why it was such a big secret that the dead could still survive if attached by purpose?
it wasn't, it was just very uncommon for them to retain their own form with consciousness intact and the topic itself is very taboo.

fiends are the result of people remaining unsent after death so the concept is at the very least understood at a base level.

>>737062654
>Because only the truly driven become sentient, non-fiend unsent. And if you're tying yourself to a singular purpose you will eventually succeed or fail at it to the point your hold on Spira dissipates and you go to the Farplane anyway.
Literally zero evidence of this anywhere in the games. We see zero dead turn to fiends, yet there are many dead characters. The closest to evidence we get is the unsent gaurd enemies in Zanarkand ruins, but they don't do anything the living ones didn't also do. Seymour was right.

Also, Rikku is wrong about the farplane not being legit because Tidus can beckon his mother but not his father because only the former is dead. The game never acknowledges this.

>>737063607
Tidus was a dream person, Jecht was real.

>>737063773
False.

>>737054440
>all you have to do is just TELL people they've been living a lie this whole time
No. It doesn't work like that.

>>737063763
>didn't go to Hidden Fayth
>didn't go to Omega Ruins
Both times people explicitly say the angry dead turned into the fiend at the end

>>737063773
They're both from dream Zanarkand.
That said, I personally had the head canon that at one point, back in the original Zanarkand, there really was an actual person called Jecht who played Blitzball and had real son called Tidus. They're just... long dead by now, and all that remains is a dream copy of them created by the Gagazet summoners

>>737061890
This. Making sure all of them see the truth with their own eyes would not only be most convincing (the only way to convince someone like wakka), but also make the bond between everyone as a group with a common purpose that much stronger, especially after fighting someone like Yunalesca. Dropping the truth any earlier would have been foolish and potentially shattered the group.

>>737063607
The only real way to defeat Sin is to kill Yu Yevon inside Sin, alongside all the aeons. Sin is just a skin it wears and it'll move on to possess another aeon if it's killed.

>>737064097
Game actually works better if they were real, the dream thing is such a boring twist.

You can't just redpill everyone on everything, you gotta start small and ease them into it.
If you do it right then they will notice whatever you are getting at for themselves before you even need to say it.

>>737063607
Sin is just a shell, a host of pyreflies helmed by the Final Aeon. Yu Yevon is the Summoner summoning Dream Zanarkand. It's never stated but presumably the reason the Final Aeon gets some control over Sin is because Yu Yevon is borderline mindless and needs to focus on his eternal summoning over bending the Fayth of the Final Aeon to perform their genocidal duty as Sin.

So no, the Dream people from Zanarkand wouldn't do anything to stop Sin. Otherwise burning down part of the city in a direct attack would have injured it when Jecht was picking up Auron and Tidus.

>>737064097
Tidus is the dream version of Shuyin

>>737064389
Payne is the daughter of Auron

>>737064471
I like this schizo theory I am just hearing now

>>737054440
Should I play the PS2 version or the HD version?

>>737054440
They needed to make the journey to truly see how bad things were

>>737064769
hd version is uglier and the og ost sounds better, but don't feel bad if the remaster is the only one you can get your hands on

>>737064769
PS2 International (JP) version if you know how to emulate.
HD if you're a consolefag.

>>737065407
what if he still has a working PS2 in his closet and a CRT to avoid dealing with fuckery?

>>737065474
If he has a working PS2 then he can just use that.
The North American PS2 version has a little bit of missing content compared to International JP and HD but nothing major if you're a first time player.

>>737065474
won't the international version fail to play?

>>737061668
Everything he said was correct though.

>>737063763
>Literally zero evidence of this anywhere in the games.
Shut up retard

(You), the player wasn't ready for the truth.

>>737063449
So does Jecht.

FFX was shit and the ending is stupid, especially after FFX-2

What was the point of that scene of Tidus after the credits with the way the FFX-2 ended??

>>737054440
lol

>>737054440
ffx is the final fantasy game where they decided to make it extremely east asian instead of east asians basing something on western fantasy/sci-fi and just subconciously making it asian

the whole game is based boomers like auron and jecht guiding the new generation to changing things because even if they just told everyone what to do and what the problem is without the experience and suffering of learning it themselves they wouldn't be equipped to actually do anything about it (come up with a plan that actually stops sin), this is in contrast to the leaders of yevon, who definitely aren't representing any repressed feelings about japanese politics by being a bunch of literally unaging grandpas that intend to rule society until the end of time and refuse to move on and let any of the new generation do anything and indeed want them to do as little as possible outside of prop up their bloated existence.

this is why our heroes are tidus (giga asian in the cgi, dyes his hair blonde with obvious roots to broadcast he's a delinquent and doesnt' care about conforming) and yuna the literal shinto shrine maiden who is more devoted to the tenents of her religion then it's actual core members who just use it for political clout like has happened many times with shinto/buddhist sects in japanese history.

He forgot like all old people

>>737067269
>he's a delinquent and doesnt' care about conforming
He's conformist as fuck for Zanarkand

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>>737054440
>Why didn't Auron just throw down the deck of cards on everybody?
Auron isn't trying to manipulate anyone or force them think the way he does. He simply lays out the truth and expects the party to accept it on their own.

>>737054440
He wanted to strike at the head instead of the feet? It's pretty obvious his goal isn't just to guide the kids but to put an end to the suffering and lies entirely.

>>737067868
>Auron isn't trying to manipulate anyone or force them think the way he does.
Yes he is. He is explicitly trying to manipulate them to think the way he does. He's subtly letting Tidus wear down the group's faith so when the time comes, they'll do what he failed to do and tell Yunalesca to eat shit before Yuna or anyone else dies.

>>737064769
HD version is objectively better.

bot thread

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>>737054440
holy fuck that game is so ugly. what the fuck is wrong with tidus' face? looks like a botox'd kpop guy with a smoothening filter on

>>737061668
You didn't play the game, the whole point leading up to Titdus narration to the present is him confessing he isn't some goofy amnesiac.