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AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA we might actually witness the death of sony
https://insider-gaming.com/fairgames-extraction-shooter/
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>>737057559
when they started development back like 7 years ago people liked the genre, now it's overplayed and garbage. so you have a game with no fan interest, pretty much forced to release due to putting so much money into it already
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>>737057402
Another combatant enters the fray...
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But why?
They already pushed Marathon to try (and fail) to get a spot in the extraction-shooter market.
Why send this one to directly compete with themselves?
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>>737057559
They just need one to be a megahit to recoup all the money on the last several failures.
Also the development time on AAA games is so long these days that this decision was probably made 5-6 years ago when the genre was still at least RELATIVELY fresh and new, but now that it's clear they're not actually that successful, it's too late to change course.
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>>737058262
It's a real thing fyi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexual_lighting
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>>737057402
sony wont die they have the infinite money glitch just like valve with the storefront. 30% off GTA VI/COD/fortnite/genshin/fifa/nba sales and mtx go brrr
They can do multiple of these and not even blink (they already have)
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>>737058364
devs kind of based to associate obvious flop failures with trans virus
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>>737058731
>paypig
>since 2020
lol, lmao
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>>737058914
>quoting the esoteric mages in your mind
>facts
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>>737058757
I thought it was going to be a Monster Hunter like? I was sort of excited for that.
But after seeing the art style and character designs, nah. Whatever it is, it’s not for me.
For this “Fairgames” I feel like Marathon looked far better and it flopped heavily, so no clue what they’re planning on doing with this one. I wonder if they’ll shell out the budget for buying out journalists like they did for Marathon this time, or just let it go out there to fail and write off the losses while crying with the stacks of money made with getting that 30% share of microtransactions and PS+.
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>>737057402
>Haven Studios was founded by Raymond following the closure of Google's in-house game development teams in February 2021, and it comprises of former employees of Google's Stadia initiative as well as Ubisoft. The studio's debut title is to be Fairgames, a competitive heist game for PlayStation 5 and PC.
sounds great
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>>737057475
Stellar blade
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I don't understand this company
Just buy one
stop trying to make one
Just buy Valoroant or Apex or PUBG or whatever
That's what Microsoft did they fucking bought Minecraft. Shit Epic bought Rocket League.
At this point. So many failures. So many fuckups. Just buy something established. Pay what they want. You'll make your money back.
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>>737057559
What you need to understand about modern AAA game development is that it's both incredibly bloated and incredibly incompetent. The industry has been experiencing constant, substantial brain drain over the past 10-15 years (quick: Name one notable person in game development that wasn't already a known name a decade or more ago), projects have ballooned out of control, taking longer and longer, and between high budgets and shareholders being shareholders, these projects also have to play it safe. So you get games trying to cash in on the current hot trend (set by much leaner studios putting out small but popular games with shorter dev cycles), but only when the trend is already confirmed to be one, and with 5-7 further years of delay. If they're lucky, they can retool something already in development and save some time that way, but by and large these projects were probably started right when the trend was picking up speed.
Fast forward, and you get all these goliath projects with budgets in the hundreds of millions, only to completely fucking flop because by the time they come out, the ship has already sailed, the market is saturated, and this brand new game already feels dated.
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>>737057475
I like the idea of extraction shooters, the structre, but why they all need to be absurdly slow, sluggish, snail type, "tactical" shooters instead of literally anything else is why I dont play any. If someone made an extraction game that let me fucking move, or maybe just had completely different core gameplay like a hack and slash or something then i would probably get into it more.
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>>737057402
Sony gets unlimited money from PS+ subscriptions and can keep funding these games forever and ever.
They will keep making "own the chud" games and they won't stop no matter how many Concords happen. And when they know that you'll just try to move to East Asian games to avoid them they will continue infiltrating those studios ranks to censor and block any problematic content, ensuring that you, a chud, are always "owned."
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>>737060081
It is about business in a retarded way. They still cling into the belief that their new games will make female and ethnic minority non-gamers into gamers and unlock the infinite wider audience spending. There is just not enough growth potential in making games for white and East-Asian men, and they value growth potential over guaranteed sales.
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>>737059982
ok
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>>737057962
Multiplayer extraction shooters are played out but now singleplayer or coop extraction games are coming out. Duckov sold like 3 million copies and it's a twin stick extraction shooter. Quasimorph is a traditional roguelike extraction game. Forever Winter is getting a bit better. SULFUR is too.
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>>737057962
>people liked the genre
Source? The only extraction shooter that gets played is Tarkov and even that exploded. You could count Hunt: Showdown, but that was a game where you struggled to find full lobbies at peak hours unless you were the exact center of the bell curve of MMR. Extraction shooters have always been highly unpopular. Claiming that they were chasing a trend is totally rewriting history.
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>>737057559
>game gets greenlit
>people spend 5 years doing story and artwork for a multiplayer game
>”hey when’s that coming out?”
>OH RIGHT AWAY MISSUH BOSSMAN
>shart out a copy of a copy of someone else’s concept with one fresh gimmick in ~2 years
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>>737058691
A vast majority of Wikipedia "sources"—if they even exist to begin with—correspond to dead links, hit piece articles by soccer mums, irrelevant videos that were used to pull inane inconclusions, and contextless excerpts from studies (themselves often of dubious validity) that are useless without the full text.
Wikipedia is shit and so are you. You will never *claim* something as intrinsic to the universe as colour for your vile agenda you falseflagging faggot.
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>>737060372
You're going to prison, economic terrorist scum.
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>a single mod that unexpectly got poplar 13 years ago has now caused tens of billions of dollars of harm to the game industry
It's amazing what trend chasing will do.
>>737060932
No stinky baby stalker child, it will be you will be going to prison soon. Wait for the knock.
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>>737060229
It’s strange because we already know what type of games women play. It’s Pokemon, animal crossing and shit. So go and make those type of games if you want to expand your woman audience.
Instead they make: Tarkov but trans. Yeah no shit nobody plays your garbage.
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>>737061051
DotA walked so DAYZ could run.
Joke aside, which mod has caused more damage to the industry overall? Just given escalating game budgets over time it has to be DAYZ, right? There's a whole graveyard with failed MOBA projects, but no way do they measure up to the apocalyptic failures of big name extraction shooters.
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>>737057402
>western entertainment industry allows themselves to get taken over by the least qualified people in existence
>proudly defies all knowledge and common sense around target demographics, hiring practices, customer respect, character design, a story's moral core, etc.
>implodes
The fact that these BlackRock-approved projects are getting 4-5 games worth the budget and are still getting crushed in raw revenue by games with sane budgets just speaks to how terrible these studios are and how unappealing the slop that they're putting out is. These left wing political hires are so bad at their jobs that even with the GDP of a small country at their backs and infinite chances, they still fail.
>The budget is the problem.
Nothing about the budget dictates that people who don't know anything about videogames and/or hate the customers be given significant input on development.
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>>737057402
Why is it always purple?
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>>737059982
Sony's new CEO said they're cutting costs and being more responsible. (This is the Jap CEO, not the US one.)
And they just closed Bluepoint, too. idk if Sony is too interested in spending tens of millions on games that come out and flop like Concord did.
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>>737057402
>hmm marathon is struggling to sell
>let’s make another one!
What do you call this business strategy
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Bros sony is dead for real this time
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>>737061313
I think I agree with your assessment that DayZ caused more damage overall. You could make the argument that DotA was a precursor to the hero shooter trend as well as other MOBAs, which would undoubtedly put it on top in terms of unintended financial damage.
That being said, DotA feels one degree too far removed from the likes of Overwatch to really count, even if a lot of abilities in hero shooters are designed after DotA or LoL ones.
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>>737061313
DayZ easily.
The failed DOTA clones were never that big. Not even Blizzards dogshit clone caused that much economic damage compared to the extraction slop genre.
>>737061701
A big Mac in 1996 was $1, so in terms of actual money the PS1 made closer to 18 billion dollars, 5 Billie more than the stinkstation 5.
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>>737061662
Yeah, this. It's obvious Fairgames is another (likely the last) Herman Hulst game. He needs this to not be cancelled to protect his job, because they don't have any more live service in the chamber. He and Jim were the ones responsible for the big push for them and Jim already got the boot. Hulst will be sent out the door once Fairgames is another 500 CCU game.
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>>737061701
Snoy makes most of their profit from platform fees, just like Valve does. They don't make much from their own games.
Sony itself is fine, but I expect them to close more studios since this entire live service push has been a huge waste of money for them.
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>>737057402
>They're not biting the bullet after seeing that not only did Marathon fail in this same market, but the game has had horrific word of mouth from day one.
Sony are complete morons.
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>Japanese solider fighting 29 years after the war
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>>737061989
Might be contractual. Not releasing the game/shutting down the studio might actually cost Sony more money than just letting it crash and burn. Or maybe it's a way of piling onto the people who greenlit games like Fairgames so Sony can then properly fire them after it flops.
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>>737057402
Hopefully. Can't come soon enough.
I'm glad they ruined a console generation for its fanboys on the PS5 but i still treat their return to exclusivity AIDS as a thing that earns them the right to be a dead company. Sony are legitimately just a scummy company on top of making shit games.
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>>737062310
This is every modern boardroom.
https://youtu.be/Po4adxJxqZk
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>>737062310
What are they supposed to do, cancel the game that's been in development for 6 years? At that point, it might actually be better to let it limp over the finish line and squeeze at least a couple bucks from it.
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>>737062310
A Highguard dev exposed the quiet part. >>737060932
tldr All of these studios and the execs are coddled with toxic positivity, nothing is allowed to be cancelled or given any negative feedback
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>>737057559
6 years ago tarkov was popular
and it takes about 6 years to build the infrastructure for a live service
but now co-op friend slop is popular. there is no market for fagstraction shit.
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>>737057402
>Reports and rumors of the game throughout its development have said that playtesters found the game “not fun”, which Insider Gaming understands has been a persistent problem throughout the game’s development.
it doesn't need to be fun, sweaty
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>>737062310
Every Hulst flop ensures Nishino can properly clean house after their contracts are up.
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>>737059982
The competency crisis and fraud crisis are hitting all areas of the economy. It's not like the west is roaring along and a small amount of that productivity is being redistributed to failed media projects. Pretty much every large company is having the exact same issues.
We need to end feminism, reverse mass migration, recognize Talmudic culture as a hostile force, and have a 5% flat tax. Corrupted companies that can't survive in this environment should just be left to implode. Yes, just like getting off of a drug, this will wreak havoc on the economy, but it's necessary to stop ourselves from dying.
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Both Sony and PC are going to die in the next 5 years and I'm going to enjoy it.
Nintendo always wins.
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Something that's often never brought up with this game is that Sony sees it as a cudgel to get more genAI into games, the game itself is going to have Payday style masks that were all created with AI. This might be another reason why it's not cancelled, execs give a ton of leniency to AI because even if it's struggling hard right now they want to believe it will be able to replace hundreds of thousands of people for free.
Basically, Sony wants to normalize genAI and sees this game as a gateway for it.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/haven-studios-playstation-is-utilizin g-generative-ai-to-create-masks-for -heisters-in-fairgame-text-to-3d.80 8050/
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>>737062851
So "chuds" will hate the game because it's obvious corpo lefty pandering but leftists will hate the game because it's absolute sloparoo (and let's be real AI is right wing coded)
They're really making a game for absolutely no one.
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>>737058364
Modern wikipedia is a feedback loop. Superusers gerrymander the accepted sources list to be only things they agree with, then leverage connections with "journalists" at those sites to directly manufacture 'secondary sources' that support the edits they've already made (but have yet to formally roll out).
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>>737057559
They all started development on this shit at least 5-6 years ago before that market was oversaturated. Extraction shooters, hero shooters, and battle royales are all low hanging fruit that are easy to develop (they don't have a story or meaningful characters so you don't need writers or much of a voice cast) so investors and executives only want to try and churn them out on the off chance they succeed.
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>AI
>Right wing coded
I guess only because it makes trannies seethe, but I don't like it anymore than you do negro. AI is jeet-jew core.
Learn who you are referring to.
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Men make up the vast majority of the vidya market. Men want to play as faceless characters the most. Men want uninronic displays of strength, teamwork and victory (no matter how "satirical" the cucked devs try to make it).
AAA studios have a winning formula yet they avoid it like the plague. Is it political, with executives trying to spread a "message" despite nonstop horrific failures? Is it greed, trying to foolishly appease to both male and female audiences?
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>>737063570
it's exclusively rw influencers who push stuff like "AI will get all leftists fired and bring beautiful women back to games," so it's side splitting that Sony's major genAI push game is a Robin Hood "own capitalism" purple splattered pandery game with blacks as the leads. It's just complete poison for everyone.
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>>737057402
Live service isn't the problem.
Extraction shooters aren't the problem.
Mods aren't the problem.
The wider economy isn't the problem.
The problem is that the industry is controlled by narcissists who hate the customer and are on a never-ending quest to create games that will trap them in the neoliberal longhouse while also extracting infinite money from them, preferably with minimal effort from the studio. That's what Concord is.
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>>737057559
FPS genre is dead since casuals can't handle shooting each other without 10 minutes of downtime in-between each
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>>737064035
>RW
>influencer
>RW
>influencer
No one who is allowed in the banking system is right wing. We are in goycattle world where we all think we are right but we are all miles left of any man 600 years ago.
You are right though, it is a poison. Jews keep pushing it.
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>>737063097
This live service slop is going to be filled with AI microtransactions, but journos and r/gcj will defend it because the premise is about "eating the rich"
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>>737057402
what is the extraction market
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>>737061454
>Nothing about the budget dictates that people who don't know anything about videogames and/or hate the customers be given significant input on development.
Generally true but big budget implies big corpo which will invariably be filled be out of touch retards that will pay more attention to marketing bullshit and graphs than they will to their own QA.
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>>737057402
>just modded PSX
>upscaler on the way
>disc burner just arrived last night
>100 stack of CD cake
>sony cannot stop killing themselves
>and I can steal a bunch of games for free
Used to pray for times like these.
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>>737065152
I don't think the 'extract' piece was in Hyenas, or if it was, it was more a CTF type thing of 'grab this loot and get it back to your base, and whichever team/person has the most loot is the winner'
I don't have any memory of there being a tense 'wait for extraction and don't get killed' aspect in Hyenas
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>>737062415
I bet you they tried exactly that with Concord and it backfired so hard a whole new meme was born that is explicitly rooted in Snoy incompetence.
They should kill like Hyenas instead of allowing it to be known as Concord 7
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>>737062415
Cancelling a product before it gets released lets the company do some tax fuckery with the amount they spent.
So if you spend $500m on a game and release it commercially (and it flops), you have a harder time writing it off as a loss.
But if you instead cancel that $500m game before releasing it, you can call it a 'R&D project' or some bullshit, that lets you write it off better, or lets you allocate the loss to a different part of your business to let you pay less overall taxes.
It's shady financial shit and is the reason why companies have entire departments of lawyers and accountants.
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>>737059820
>If someone made an extraction game that let me fucking move
wow I wonder if game like that exists...
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>>737065840
Pokemon is fighting a constant war of attrition with its now 30 year old brand. And GTA6 could very easily make back its dev costs but not have the long MTX tail that GTA5 does, which would make funding the next GTA that much more challenging. Neither is invulnerable.
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Movement in Marathon is just sluggish Destiny 2 movement. Even something old like Brink had a more robust movement system.
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>>737057402
Are they retarded? Genuinely?
>Make Marathon - extraction shooter
>Make Fairgames - extraction shooter
>support and shill Arc Raiders - extraction shooter
WHY ARE THEY CANNIBALISING THEIR OWN GAMES?
Wouldn't it be smarter to not try and split your players in what is already a niche and not particularly popular genre?
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>>737059982
You must really enjoy being called retarded
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>>737057402
>Adjusted to release order
>Main series
Concord Origins: Hyenas
Concord
Concord 2: Highguard
Concord 3: Marathon
Concord 4: Last Flag
Concord 5: Fairgame$
Concord 6: Hunter Gatherings
Concord 7: 4Loop
Concord 8: Time Takers
>Spin offs
Destruction All Shart
Dustborn: A Concord Story
Avowed: A Concord RPG
Concord Relooted
Dragon Age The Concordguard
Unkown 9 Wokening
Foamsharts
1348 ExConcord
ConcordInn
Battlewoke
LACKbreaker
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>>737067045
I sold a 3DS to a literal 12 year old kid and his dad like half a year back. The kid said he wanted it for Pokemon, so I loaded it up with all the Pokemon 3DS games. Poor bastard. The 3DS doesn't even have good Pokemon games lmao. Apart from a remake of a GBA game.
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>>737066635
I don't want to look at these character designs for five seconds, much less 100+ hours. And this is before getting into the fact that the only reason why you'd make the characters look like this is because you've hired Blue Sky and Resetera, which means that the writing is also going to be anti-white and misandrist, and the gameplay is probably to be shit, too. There's a happy group of people for you right there, BTW.
Instead of doing what you want me to do and trying to gaslight myself into believing that your pile of diarrhea is chocolate syrup, I'm going to be playing eastern games and cheering on the implosion of an industry that's been going to war with the white male nerd for 25 years.
>snarky response that completely ignores everything that I just said
Good riddance.
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>>737057402
>>Reports and rumors of the game throughout its development have said that playtesters found the game “not fun”
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>>737069406
Imagine being a gamedev working on a game for 3/4/5 years and when it finally comes together and everyone sees it and plays it for the first time in your big internal playtest, the feedback is
>it's not fun
I imagine it's similar to your wife giving birth to an ugly baby, and it's clear in the delivery room that your kid is an uggo.
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>>737069608
If I was a game dev I'd be so jaded that I wouldn't give a fuck
Doesn't matter if you work on a shit game or the best selling game of the year, you're likely to get fired either way
I'd just put in my hours and fuck off unless I worked at one of the few non-cancerous companies
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>make extraction shooter
>follow it with another extraction shooter
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>Foamsharts
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>>737069961
I think what you described is the elevated state office workers get to where 'hey, it's a paycheck, and idgaf about what I'm working on beyond making sure I don't slack enough to get fired' is the mindset.
But you don't just get there immediately, as the 'I thought we bottled lighting, and people would have eternal blasts..' employee posts about Highguard's development demonstrated.
t.gamedevwho got to the 'it's just a job' level after mysecondno-notice layoff
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>>737061454
i think by now they are far up their arse than they can't back out and most of the big heads don't know jack shit about their product and they are still chasing fortnite money.
I'm just glad that i can see another concord in action
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>>737070716
So you’re saying unless they’re willing to burn money they aren’t doing well? What kind of retard logic is that?
If anything the problem is Sony is doing too well because it’s feeding back into yet more Jewry that makes them even more money instead of needing to knuckle down and make games with passion that people actually want to play.
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>>737064162
It's sad really. Arena shooters should be much more casual friendly like you just drop in a server and play for a bit. If you die it's just a short wait until respawn. If the people in the server are too skilled, then you find another one around your skill level. You can even find servers where people do nothing but goof off. You never feel like your game time is wasted.
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>>737057681
It would barely matter how the market changed over the dev cycle (which would be much shorter than eight years with a competent, humble, hard working studio) if the industry was headed up by legitimate videogame enthusiasts who want to make great games instead of retards who can't do anything but chase trends.
Why did Marvel Rivals interrupt the narratives around hero shooters AND American comic book media so hard? Because the whole thing was made for average gamers and comic book fans, not some demon given flesh working at BlackRock or some Karen who has an existential crisis every time she sees a feminine woman who has boobs without weighing 300 pounds.
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>>737071151
Stop comparing this to gambling. The results of hiring an army of neurotic Karens, effeminate beta men, and psychopaths who only care about their bank accounts are completely predictable. Hundreds of thousands of people can spot a Concord from a mile away.
Everyone who had more faith in Concord than Helldivers or Stellar Blade needs to be blacklisted from the industry.
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