>>737059317
He finally made THE MOVIE?

>>737059317
Ross looks very different when he's cleaned up

>He opens the door for EU to content-regulate games again
In 5 years Zoomers will talk about when did games become so controlled by politics

>>737059481
Yes, he seems to have rounded is trapezoidal head a bit

>>737059317
Where is the Mold?

I'm American so the whole concept of this type of crowd-driven consumer-rights thing actually making it as far as it has is literally foreign to me, and I'll admit I'm impressed by how it's been handled this far.

>>737059516
>In 5 years Zoomers will talk about when did games become so controlled by politics
2015

>>737059731
as an American I don't understand why people buy these dog shit games in the first place. I think if you're stupid enough to waste your time and money on them you deserve to have them taken from you.

>>737059531
that might change the angle bipbops bounce off it

>>737059531
It's low poly!

>>737059516
They can do that anyway

>>737059807
You're on /v/, fag, you already are the target demo for who this initiative to help
>t. also 'murican

I think all gaas games should be illegal

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what is he thinking right now?

>>737059928
>Man I love fucking this ferret right now

>>737059928
Nothing of note

>>737059914
I understand the initiative. the fact that games can be so predatory in the first place should be criminal.

>>737059928
>Man I wish I didn't lose all my subscribers and my relevance, I might have to get a job soon.

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>>737059928
>i should have just apologized for ruining peoples hardcore characters and kept my mouth shut about politics

>>737059317
He couldn't wear a proper suit?

>>737059928
he's beating off thinking about his time being a dick washer at blizzard

>>737059928
not much, look at those glassy brown eyes

why doesn't he get a fucking haircut. would look 10x more presentable. he's balding anyway

>>737060092
that was my first thought too. he looks so out of place

>>737059516
It's been like that since the 90s dipshit. It didn't start because "waah wahh I can't fap to every video game".

no matter what he's not getting back his TheCrew dlc's.

>>737060212
do you think he'll learn any lessons about purchasing gaas games?

It's surreal to see him in the parliament

>>737059928
This guy probably doesn't think at all, doesn't have inner monologue, purely reactive entity.

>>737059807
I don't necessarily disagree, but I think the idea that companies should at least publish their server code if they're gonna take shit offline is good. I had a lot of fun running Halo servers like that back in the day.

>>737060092
It's an interesting question. Would he be taken more seriously arguing for the preservation of video games and against corporate overreach in a generic suit and tie with a basic short and clean hair cut, or does his vaguely ratty autist who gets really deep into niche topics lend him more credibility?

>>737060315
I actually agree with you. Everquest has no problem with private servers

Why is an American allowed to speak on European issues?

>>737059317
Am I supposed to know who this is?

>>737060423
because we're better than you

>>737059928
>Heheh, congrats, youll get what you deserve, see this is what happens when your so wrong you cant possibly believe anything besides being right and having everyone else suffer for it
>"Just apologize" mods kick this guy
>The only thing I will apologize is not putting more effort into warning you guys
>This is how the nightmare begins and its gonna take a hell of a lot more to fix it

>>737060459
yes. it's implied that you should if you're going to post your mouth breathing questions here

>>737059807
>scams should be legal because fuck stupid people
It's not about protecting retards. It's about making sure the people who want to coast through their lives making money off retards can't do so.

>>737060423
It's a global issue. Wouldn't be the first time regional regulation has led to global adjustments. Digital refunds being a big example. If the proposed change comes to pass, GAAS will change globally.

>>737060423
America Establishes
Europe Regulates
China Copies

>>737060567
gacha games will reign supreme regardless of what happens

>>737060339
I think it's the latter. When I worked in a corporate office for a really big-name company, the CEO came through one time and everyone was told to wear suits. Except us engineers, who were told we could dress like normal (business casual with sneakers and junk) since we wouldn't be seen probably tucked away in our lab. Well, the CEO comes through with the entourage of hangers-on, and they all just nod and chuckle at our appearances and say something like, "Ah, yes. They certainly look like a smart bunch!"

You get a lot of nerd cred if you look like a dweeb. Look too good, and people assume you're a business guy.

>>737059928
This sigma male killed his own game to prove his point and that hes not a hypocrite. Mad respect.

>>737060656
what's funny is that they're entire business can collapse without their IT or engineering teams

>>737059928
>"Mmmm, Corpo Cock"

>>737059317
How many men did it take to wrangle him into a collared shirt?

i-is that quentin next to him?

>>737060520
So he's a nobody, gotcha.

>>737059317
He saved MILLIONS

GaBen Franklin looking ass lmao

>>737060838
at least he looks better than whatever the fuck that is behind him

>>737060287
The "EU parliament" is about as much of a "parliament" as movies are games.
The people sitting in it are mostly unaccountable towards the voters, and most of the party soldiers act like that - against the voters, but for the absolute democratic government in form of the EU-commission, that rules what is just and what is unjust in its realm with impudence.
Voters can't really remove the heads from there, even if they strongly vote against the parties backing it, because Brussels and Strasbourg is an "our democracy"-aristocracy with its own rules.

>>737059928
ferret porn

>>737059928
>they don't know I worked for 20 years in the can not a fuckin peep

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>IF THE EU PARLIAMENT SAW HIM THEY WOULD LAUGH HIM OUT WITHIN SECONDS
Reality
>They all instantly agreed with what was his basic logic stance and said they will do something about it

>>737059928
about how hard he's going to laugh when eurocucks will over regulate videogames

What does this make devs do? Make it so the game can be played after they stop updating it? Like normal games?

>>737059807
Catering to stupid people will always be more profitable than catering to clever consumers.
You must make it illegal to target stupidity, otherwise the market will be 100% stupidity-catering, no matter the amount of clever consumers.

>>737061083
Yes

>>737060958
Yeah, there is not a single person in europe who voted for the EU to exist. What's your point? This is common knowledge

>>737061106
that's probably why the United States is rife with fraud

>>737061046
What "regulation" are you talking about exactly? Please, elaborate and be specific. Because the only regulation in this discussion is to rein in corporations and protect consumer rights by making sure they actually own the products they buy, or at least know exactly what it is they're paying for.

>>737061106
seed oil bros are we caught

>>737061020
EU is bunch of schemers elected by globalist jews to turn europe into brown shithole.

>>737059317
so, what did he achieve, genuine question. I didn't follow this save vidya thing at all

>>737059928
>my FATHER

>>737061152
The point is that anyone actual native european is super fucked

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Ross got to speak before the EU commission because some other guy fucked a ferret and mismanaged his mana.
Butterly effects, man. Don't mess with them.

>>737061225
>I didn't follow this save vidya thing at all
Do you keep touching the stove hoping it might not be hot the next time?

>>737059317
>this one man, all by himself, made every single corporate shill on this board shit their pants
How based can you get. fucking awesome

>>737061297
But it makes the rich more money, so leftists will defend it

>>737060423
You now realize you've never wondered why muslims run your country

>>737059928
Hes worried that his HRT hasn't set in yet.

>>737061331
He had two jobs. Don't fuck the ferret, and don't fuck over your team. Dude is just a fucker.

>>737061331
>Butterly effects
I'm still convinced that Zoe Queen being a cheating whore led to Trump's election and reelection.

>>737061361
>this one man, all by himself
He got the ball rolling and serves as the movement's face/spokesperson, but based Ross has always been pretty transparent that the heavy lifting was eventually done by others with more actual qualifications in relevant fields.

>>737061361
>>737061442
Why do you all talk like shills

>>737061157
The USA system is fucking retarded no matter where you see it, nowadays even what we call third world shitholes have less predatory and cancer inducing system

>>737061491
>NO YOU'RE SHILLS!!!
Right on cue

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>>737059317
I like this not because I'm retarded and fall for service scams, but because it'll make game companies reconsider "games as a service".

My favorite part is when the EU says "We'll take it from here" and then makes a few adjustments

>>737061491
Shill for what, exactly? I mean, you used the word, so clearly you must suspect that something is being sold to you. What is it?

>>737061514
well yeah because their officials arent out there trying to fuck their own people out of their freedoms like here in the states

>>737061559
They'll likely add some excuse to include digital ID to it all.

>>737061559
>>737061616
yeah they're probably going to fuck it up even worse

>>737059807
People shouldnt be exploited even if they are dumb. This is key to having a good society.

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>we will do something about it
>
now what? wait 5+ years for something to happen?

>>737061608
>because their officials arent out there trying to fuck their own people out of their freedoms like here in the states
They usually are doing that shit too, BUT EVEN THEN

>>737061537
>>737061562
>no u
Answer the question, discord shills

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>>737061491
>Defending the corporations? Good.
>Defending the individual? Paid shill.

>>737060074
no he is set for life

>>737061690
You made a statement, back it up first, then I'll address it. I'm not going to bother engaging with nonsense spouted in bad faith. Prove you're worth giving a real response to first.

>>737061152
The EU is trash. In its current shape it was a massive mistake.
It's often brought up, that mobility between European states had been facilitated by it.
That's simply not true for first world-Europe. Borders were controlled, but open for any legitimated individual.
And all this shit has effectively brought upon us is gyp^h Sinti and Romani flooding social welfare systems in Western Europe.
Also, the customs regime has become criminal thanks to the EU. It's next-to-impossible to import from outside Europe as an end customer without paying fees out of your ass on top of the customs.
I was importing on my own from around the world for a long time. Ever since the more recent EU actions, that has been limited to the rare seller that crawls into the EU commission's ass dealing with bureaucracy. (China loves to do that, by the way.)

Some kind of super-national instance that coordinates Europe's actions in this world is probably a good idea, but leave the rest to the member states for fuck's sake. This EU has failed.

>>737061652
Yes. Governments run S L O W, they have to consult the industry. And even if they pass, they'll still have to say "games released starting from January 1st 2032 need to have an End of Life plan" with like a year or more of buffer.

>>737061717
But you are defending woke corporations and the EU, not the individual

You're projecting again bootlicker

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This is getting tiresome. Someone post the "you are here" copechart.

>>737059928
>Is my voice modifier still working? Maybe I should have a 4th puberty.

>>737059928
"damn... I should've made my voice even deeper"

>>737061797
>if you win an argument it's bad faith
This gaslighting doesn't work on here, discord troon

>>737060954
Looks like a Don Cherry suit

>>737061646
I'll exploit your asshole and create a society in your mouth

>>737061932
Retard it is, then.

>>737059928
>I worked at Blizzard

>>737061652
>for something to happen
it will be thrown away in the garbage bin, nothing he says makes legal sense.

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>>737059317
hekkin' based euriperino with the values of the talmuderino, so wholesome!

I wanna see the actual text of the proposed law, not the talking points of the movement. This sounds cautiously like something worth supporting, but I keep hearing conflicting things from various places about what it will actually do:
>SKG will require companies to run servers indefinitely!
>no it won't, it doesn't impose any extra cost on companies!
>SKG mandates that games be designed to allow easy reverse-engineering or already be reverse engineered
So which is it? Because I can see a strong argument for prohibiting companies from legally forcing the shutdown of private servers of a game they are not currently attempting to sell themselves. But I can only see a very weak argument for companies being required to hold you hand and actively assist you in setting up those servers by designing their games around being easy to reverse engineer. In particular, any regulation that imposes an extra cost on the industry will favor established greedy AAA companies over smaller developers, so I can't help but feel like it's not worth pushing for this simply because 'it's better than nothing' if it imposes extra costs rather than merely preventing the enforcement of copyright against noncompeting consumers.

>>737061831
>you are defending woke corporations
which corporations? let's see some names

>>737061974
>no argument
Low IQ bootlicker lost again

>>737061219
you lost

>>737062024
You brought them up, bootlicker here >>737061717

So which corporations are you trannies talking about?

>>737061970
Well slap my nickleback and call me master chief because ill be MCLOVIN IT!!!!

>>737059928
>I used to work at Blizzard

>>737059516
>making it illegal to design games in such a way as people who pay for them can't play them at some arbitrary date (read: when your next game comes out and you don't want to compete with yourself) is content-regulation

its clearly corporate astroturf that there's even a "debate" here.

>>737061423
she genuinely did, she sparked the entire conservative movement

>>737062023
All it wants is for games to remain playable in some reasonable fashion after the company, on whose servers the game relied on up to that point, ceases supporting said game. This can be as easy as releasing the tools for consumers to host their own servers. Even if those tools require hardware performing above consumer grade, that part's not important. But the ability to keep playing the game needs to be provided.

>>737059928

>>737062116
>So which corporations are you trannies talking about?
Corporations that kill videogames, like Ubisoft.
>NO YOU TRANNIES!!!! NO YOU BOOTLICKERS!!!
Cry some more for my amusement, shill.

>>737062023
This is an initiative, it's vague by design. The EU doesn't want citizens writing actual laws, they want them to describe a problem, the EU will consult lawyers and the industry, and only then will they decide to write a law.
MPs kept throwing various ideas around, including making the licenses on Steam sellable, giving gamers the "right to resurrect" and a bunch of other bullshit that likely won't make it into the final law.

>>737059516
you lost mutt

>>737062275
So you admit leftist corporations are a bad thing now, tranny?

Who in this thread defended Ubisoft? Try answering without the meltdown this time

>>737062282
"RIGHT TO RESURRECTION" goes hard, though

>>737062353
I do think it's a necessary component of the law. Companies can skirt the law by doing shit like "We're shutting down the multiplayer servers, but hey, the campaign is still playable :)". The right to resurrection would then protect gaymers from legal trouble like with what happened to Concord's private servers.

>>737062298
>mutt
Based /pol/ term

>>737062023
If a small indie dev makes an online game, then he and all future generations of his family are required to keep the servers running until the end of time.

>>737062343
>NO YOU TRANNY!!!
Kekx2
>Defending the individual? Paid shill.
Why does this agitate you so much, shill? Where did the big bad SKG touch you?

>>737062213
>This can be as easy as releasing the tools for consumers to host their own servers
This imposes a cost on businesses that is not imposed merely by taking the business's right to sue you for running a private server away from them, and therefore favors larger, more greedy companies in the industry. Why do you Europeans always try to solve things with gibs rather than deregulation? Removing copyright protection from intellectual property while the rights holder is not actually attempting to compete would be sufficient to solve this issue - provably, as people have been setting up and running private servers without help from businesses for decades at this point.

>>737062282
>>737062353
This makes more sense. Maybe I shouldn't be so hard on EU lawmakers in the future.

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>>737059317
we need to elect this ridley

>>737062213
>in some reasonable fashion
no, he wants it eternally, the way it's presented "reasonable" = forever.

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>>737061830
there'll be a ton of push back from copyright autists too especially since there's really not all that much separating games from music or tv shows or movies or other software

>>737061646
People shouldn't be dumb

>>737062519
Deregulation doesn't help because corporations actively don't want you to continue playing their old games as opposed to buying their new game. Whoop-de-doo, they're not allowed to sue you for running private servers. Then they'll just make it as hard as humanly possible to reverse engineer their server structure to run them in the first place, which is what they're already doing. Deregulation doesn't mean dick if the means to accomplish the stated goal aren't protected in some fashion. The right to do something in the abstract isn't worth the paper it's printed on if doing said thing is functionally impossible.

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>now all games will have eternally-working servers*
>*ID verification will be required to play them

Now every gamer will suffer just because some mouthbreathers like Moss, threw a tantrum because they want to play their GAASlop indefinetely.

If that inbred Ferret-Fucker stopped talking shit, nobody would have heard about the retarded petition and this SKG shit would have died.

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>>737062519
>Removing copyright protection from intellectual property
It's covered by a trade agreement/treaty with the US. They cannot do that without renegotiating the treaty or breaking it, which would result in sanctions out the ass.

>>737062802
>now all games will [insane fanfiction]
Cool story.

>>737062681
Why state so confidently something so obviously false and corrected to death?

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>>737059516

>>737062802
>indefinetely
is this really the best babel media can do?

>>737062562
>>737059317
can a drawfag combine the two?

>>737059516
Where the fuck have you been for the past decade

>>737060074
Doubt it, all he had to do was admit he was wrong if he wanted to keep his views.

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>>737059807
The subject matter is my issue with this whole thing. People who support this are acting like he's defending your rights to housing, food, and health care. It's fucking video games, and real garbage ones too. This is the equivalent of demanding the government to stop putting labubus in mystery boxes. How about you stop buying labubus? FFS. The government does not need to be involved in your shitty spending habits.

>>737059516
lol

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>>737059928

It's over?

>>737059928
Mana gem

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SKG talk stream vod https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2749474642
And Stop Killing Games had public hearing in the European Parliament
https://multimedia.europarl.europa.eu/en/webstreaming/committee-on-internal-market-and-consumer-protection-ordinary-meeting-committee-on-legal-affairs-com_20260416-1100-COMMITTEE-IMCO-JURI-PETI

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>>737062853
And to prove I'm not full of shit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIPS_Agreement
>TRIPS was negotiated during the Uruguay Round of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) in 1986–1994. Its inclusion was the culmination of a program of intense lobbying by the United States by the International Intellectual Property Alliance, supported by the European Union, Japan and other developed nations.[6] Campaigns of unilateral economic encouragement under the Generalized System of Preferences and coercion under Section 301 of the Trade Act played an important role in defeating competing policy positions that were favored by developing countries like Brazil, but also including Thailand, India and Caribbean Basin states. In turn, the US strategy of linking trade policy to intellectual property standards can be traced back to the entrepreneurship of senior management at Pfizer in the early 1980s, who mobilized corporations in the United States and made maximizing intellectual property privileges the number one priority of trade policy in the United States (Braithwaite and Drahos, 2000, Chapter 7).[7]
>Unlike other agreements on intellectual property, TRIPS has a powerful enforcement mechanism. States can be disciplined through the WTO's dispute settlement mechanism.

>>737063078
So you're fine with products you purchase being taken away from you by the manufacturer at will, as long as they're not essential?

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>>737059516
>In 5 years Zoomers will talk about when did games become so controlled by politics
would you believe it already happened in 1994 because of portrayed violence against women

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>>737062353
I know we often say anti-semitic as a "joke" but this is on another level

>>737063078
You're replying to a shill, nobody serious thinks that there is a moral right to scam stupid people.

>>737059928
Not much of worth, probably. As comprehensive higher thought requires a functioning brain that can achieve more than chimping out like a nepo-baby.

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>>737059928
Who fucking cares lol.

>>737059928
A corpo shill who only exist by riding his dad's coatails who simultaneously hates his dad and his dad is disappointed in him. Such a fascinating case

>>737059516
>yea we should let the Americans do it, I love having based right wing christian conservatives that think videogames cause mass shootings to speak on the availability of videogames. We should get Trump to speak on it, he surely has good opinions of videogames, hes so based and the EU is so cucked
You can tell someone is underage when you know they dont know weve already done this and it was fucking retarded.

>>737062802
>now all games will have eternally-working servers
do these mouthbreathing retards actually believe this is about forcing companies to support and keep server alive forever?

>>737061793
People like him are usually terrible with money, they can win $100mil in a lottery and couple years later be left with $70 in their pocket and a $1k debt

>>737059317
Why did they bring him? They're gonna reject it just because of how disgusting he looks.

>>737059928
>There was nothing I could do, do you see my mana?
*casts mana shield*

>>737059516
The jew shudders in fear

>>737059516
You stupid fucking animal, how boldly ignorant and public... Like a cow.

>>737061225
For now, nothing. The EU has like 2646 layers of waiting for shit to happen.

>>737063328
No, lying and spreading misinformation like this is all they can do at this point.

>>737061106
This right here

>>737063078
If companies can use lobbying and legalese to outlaw any attempt by the public to compensate for their shitty behaviour, the public has a right to escalate.

>>737063234
Only a retard would keep falling for subscription / online-only based products in 2026

>>737061540
>add a barebones offline mode where you play against retarded bots and don't have access to any "DLC"
Wow, that sure hurts the bottom line.

>>737063470
not the point
not the question
try again shill

>>737063527
You asked a loaded question. Why are you gay?

>>737060163
Yeah this was the perfect opportunity to restore his Gordon Freeman look.

>>737059807
>is American
>is also fucking retarded
Pure pottery

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>>737063546
why are you mad, shill? you'll get paid your pennies regardless of the outcome

>>737061423
steve bannon sold WOW jew gold from sweatshops and learned from 5GUYS/chanology and Tortanic to hijack democracies through its most vulnerable gamers

>>737063546
Is it a loaded question when that is quite literally what's happening with any and all games that rely on company servers to function? This extends beyond GaaS, by the way. Any MP game without peer-to-peer or community servers is in the same boat. So why don't you answer the question?

>>737063470
>why have laws 'n shiet, only retards would ever get robbed

>>737060423
Ross is, as far as I understood, there on special invite. Under normal circumstances only the ECI's actual petitioners, who must have European nationality and be of legal voting age, are allowed to address the Parliament. In other words: they made an exception to the rules to accommodate him, which is the Parliament's prerogative iirc. Probably because he's a central figure in the whole movement so they want to ensure he gets a voice.
Which should illustrate that, if not the Commission, at least the Parliament takes this matter VERY seriously.

>>737063628
>stop buying these bad scammy services
>this makes me a shill somehow
???

>>737061225
He presented his case and received support by other members of the parliament, in about three (?) more months or so we will know if they will do something about the issue or not.

>>737063470
>A small bunch of retarded whales can keep a live service alive
>companies produce only products for the retards, and squeeze them dry
>you have 0 (zero) new good games to play because it's all skinner boxes
Congratulations, vidya is dead
Think how many amazing games were lost because greedy publishers turned them into always online slop

>>737061225
Progress. The people speaking were all supportive. Even boomers who don't play videogames argued for the sake of their kids.

>>737063546
>You asked a loaded question
And it's because you kept ignoring that "loaded question" that the initiative got this far. Should've taken it more seriously, eh?

>>737063689
there's plenty of AA and indie games to go around that aren't live service games, it will never die

>>737063678
>stop buying these bad scammy services
>so are you okay with these bad scammy services continuing to exist?
>REEEEE THAT'S A LOADED QUESTION I WONT ANSWER THAT YOU'RE GAY!!!!

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you know what's fucked up? publicly traded companies are required by law to generate the maximum profit possible. that means they have to release unfinished games because retards will buy them. they have to cram woke shit into the games, because that's what "modern audiences" want (see peer-reviewed study). they have to fuck you over, as long as it doesn't break any law. if they don't do it, they risk getting sued. so if you want to make games great again, it has to be mandated by law (will never happen) or stop being dumb consoomer retards (will also never happen)
good day
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.

>>737061219
Very much unlike the corporations, which are run by men of integrity and honesty, yes?

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>>737062024
you mean the woke corporations like ubisoft selling racing games and openworld cookiecutter games with diverse casts of characters?
make up your fucking mind already, posting low effort pilpul slop isn't gonna work here

>>737062018
Generally speaking
>Asians
good
>Israelis
Bad except some females
>Blacks
pretty much irrelevant, that's a US thing.


Euros don't want middle eastern parasites anymore, that's pretty much it

>>737060092
Well he wasn't going into the White House.

>>737061219
i trust that the representatives i elected have a bit more of my interest in mind than the american techn-ofeudalists that want to squeeze the goy cattle out of every penny

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>publisher tears keep flowing
Bend the knee, merchant!

>>737059928
Hopefully suicidal thoughts.
Im sick of hearing ahout this faggot

>>737060092
Stop killing casual wear

>>737063691
I also think many started to realize this is the chance to draft something that could be extended to any other software.
The example of the car refusing to start due to the car manufacturer shutting down the server of its on board software was pretty representative of what will happen if they don't do anything now, and I'm pretty sure most members of the parliament understood that on some level.

>>737061829
hello ivan

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>>737060092
Shoulda gone in this.

>>737059317
This seems like a bill that, at first glance, appears to be player-friendly, but by making it impossible to create games that can't overcome the huge hurdle of "offline-izing online-only games," it ends up harming both game creators and players.

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>>737063787
>so are you okay with these bad scammy services continuing to exist?
No, but in the sense that natural selection should wipe them out instead of GOVERNMENT PLS HELP ME I CAN'T STOP BUYING SHITTY XBOX LIVE GAMES YOU NEED TO START MONITORING ALL CONSUMER PRODUCTS FOR ME HERE I WILL SIGN MY FREE WILL AWAY

>>737063689
This. A huge ton of "PS2 shovelware devs" basically died out in favor of "mobile shovelware devs", but guess what? I liked some of that PS2 shovelware and I want games like them back. If SKG means there'll be less mobile shovelware devs because of design costs/lack of user exploitation opportunity after EoS then so be it.

>>737063078
Yeah. While I do generally agree with this initiative and what it sets out to do, we should really stop babying people and let natural selection run its course. If people want to keep buying shitty games with no shelf life despite all of the warning flags, let them. It's not like they're gonna play them after they stop getting updates, anyway, since regular updates are what carries these games.
Also that this entire thing was started over The Crew of all games. Like you couldn't choose anything good?

>>737059928
>I’m going to need more breast milk to handle this one

>>737064085
>Natural selection
lmao

>>737064024
TF2 is an example of a very successful AAA online GAAS game that is already compliant with SKG.
Explain what makes it so impossible for lther publishers to do the same for their games.

>>737064024
Multiplayer games used to release server binaries for players to host their own servers. It was never a huge hurdle.

>>737059516
Zoomers will be 31 in 5 years
Phoomers will be wondering that at 20

>>737064024
>making it impossible to create games that can't overcome the huge hurdle of "offline-izing online-only games,"
It's seriously extremely bizarre the way you guys chant this talking point as if we don't have 50 years of precedence showing that it can be done easily. You get proven demonstrably wrong every single time and then come back and say it again, it's very weird.

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>>737064085
>downloading pictures from reddit to continue the same "DA FREE MURKET WILL DECIDE!" tirade after it's been clear time and time again that devs will make slop just over the 1% chance of being the new fortnite, even if it costs them 400 million fucking dollars

>>737064085
>No, but in the sense that natural selection should wipe them out
this clearly isn't happening with how long GaaS has been going on, something else needs to intervene at this point that isn't "vote with your wallet"

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>>737064085
>market now colludes to make all their games like this to make maximum profit at the expense of all consumers
sasuga

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See that button right there on the main menu? AAA game developers claim that button will D E S T R O Y gaming industry.

>>737061083
>What does this make devs do? Make it so the game can be played after they stop updating it? Like normal games?
Basically yeah. The fine details haven't been worked out, but I imagine that if say, it's an mmo, they need to release either the ability to play on a public server or maybe some kind of sandbox single player mode.

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>>737064085
Still waiting for the invisible hand of capitalism to fix all of our problem three centuries later.

>>737064132
"Natural selection" doesn't work in this case, because those who keep buying those shitty games aren't removed from the pool of potential buyers of the next game, and due to how profitable it is the only "natural selection" that take place is to the detriment of good games that become financially unviable (because they don't exploit their userbase) compared to these shitty games.

>>737064024
I bet companies would just find workarounds, like you can play the game offline but it's the most stripped down piece of shit that barely represents what the online version was which is what Multiversus did that when it shutdown. You can still play it offline but they got rid of all forms of progression, if you didn't unlock any characters/skins when it was online you can't get them now. Also there's no way to do online multiplayer so you have to play locally or use some shit like steam remote play together

>>737062027
Yeah, you.

>>737064085
Nothing happens naturally in this industry anymore. I'm sorry, anon. That particular cope was abandoned in 2012.

I wish all ancaps a very merry carcinogenic exposure

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>>737064085
>>737064132
are you two nigger shills fucking retarded?
very simple premise - i paid to use a software license, get the fuck out of my way
no, it doesn't matter if there's no more content
no, it doesn't matter if it's not maintained anymore
no, it doesn't matter if it has reached "end of life"
no, it doesn't matter if i'm alone on my own home server
i paid for my license to use this software. you, the company who sold it to me, has NO RIGHT removing it from me at your own discretion

>>737064249
AAAAAAIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING, THIS GOES AGAINST THE NARRATIVE.
CORPOBROS, CLOSE YOUR EYES!

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>>737064085
>natural selection should wipe them out

>>737064085
Natural scamlection can't even wipe out subscriptions you can't unsubsribe from without going on an RPG questiline that ends with you calling Department of Commerce.

>>737062027
Sorry, but squawking out your opponent's catchphrase first doesn't mean you win.

>>737064024
Just build in a fucking LAN mode
It's not that hard

I think it'll just end with the addition of a bare-bones mode that's only nominally called "offline mode."

>>737064239
>this clearly isn't happening with how long GaaS has been going on, something else needs to intervene at this point that isn't "vote with your wallet"
We just had a bunch of live service games DOA because nobody wants them anymore. If it keeps up, then the message would be sent.

>>737064249
I still don't understand why tim sweeney removed all UT games from every single store

>>737064249
This image is photoshopped, doctored, manufactured by AI. I refuse to believe it exists in the real world.

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Guys, check out this crazy feature I just found in a game developed by one guy!

It's pretty obscure though, you've probably never heard of it

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>>737059317
WHY IS HE DRESSED LIKE THAT

>>737061083
Yeah, for example imagine what would happen if tomorrow Valve stopped supporting TF2 even in the anemic state it does today, you would still be able to play it but cosmetic would probably be gone and you would need to rely on community servers or local multiplayer to play it (and cheater and moderation would be responsibility of each server owner).
That's what every online game should be, basically.

Reminder that if a game comes bundled with the server software the company can sell it on, for example, Steam without any cost to their wallet and maintain and online playerbase way past their server's "death"
An SKG-compliant game in this sense has more long-term potential for profit than a quick dime and dash live service slop game. If they wanna rake in lots of money ontop of that, then they can demand subscription for their server or some shit for maintenance.

>>737064551
>long-term potential
But will that make line go up for the next quarter?

>>737060092
or at least a fitting shirt, there's no excuse to wearing this poorly in a formal meeting

>>737064085
>>737064132
I hope you realize that the "natural selection" you're advocating for is that the industry will gradually turn more and more shit until it eventually loses massive interest due to a new technology coming around and dies, or hard resets and dies off for a couple decades until then
It sounds like you're an epic cool thoughtful libertarian or whatever with a stance like that but you're actually just retarded and signing off on your hobby

>>737064615
Gonna cry about it?

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>>737064387
>here is a car rental, very clearly states you pay $500 to use it per month
>mmm okay
>we are retiring this product, you can no longer use it
>NOOOO I SHOULD KEEP THE CAR THIS IS MY RIGHT
This is how all of you sound

>>737064085
>the free market wil regulate itself
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

>>737064362
That would still be better than what we have today, also during the hearing it was floated an idea for the "right to restore", that is protecting the right for fans to restore content devs cutted, if they are able to.

>insane government overreach is a good thing because uh uhm I can’t play this shitty car game from 15 years ago anymore

When it switches to offline mode, just turn it into a sandbox where you can only move the characters around, lol

>>737064662
as a matter of fact I will, I am pretty sensitive *snif*

>>737064531
i can run ut2k4 right now
in fact, i will

>>737064630
>advocating for AAA to die, for gaming to stop being mainstream, and for indie to rebuild gaming from the ashes
Sounds absolutely ideal to me

>>737059516
>opens the door
What closed it? What is stopping them from doing it right now? It at any other point in the last 40 years? You think it's some jurassic park shit where if you just don't bring video games to politicians' attention, they won't notice the biggest entertainment industry in the world?

>>737064301
hey at least it made merchants really wealthy allowing them to enslave us instead of the kings
who doesn't love rootless cosmopolitans with infinite money and power?

>>737064532
You can't seriously expect game developers to completely rewrite their games to be compatible with this. It would cost the developers tens or hundreds of thousands for the largest game companies

>>737061219
You're not wrong, but this one time their interest align with mine

>>737064675
Show us where The Crew had stated its exact expiration date.

>>737064675
>buy a car for full price
>drive it for 2 years
>a software update bricks it because small print in the EULA says the company can do that

>>737064675
You forgot the part where the service pretends to be sold as a product, you don't have timed payments and you never know when the service will be taken away from you.

>>737064675
Buying games isn't a rental.
If it was, it would be regulated by other rules (which companies are also breaking).
It's this grey area that allowed companies to do what they wanted until now.

>>737064675
>very clearly states you pay $500 to use it per month
Live service games don't do this. If they did they would comply with the initiative

>>737059317
If this were legalized, the conclusion would be that you could no longer operate online games in that country.

>>737064675
Even if we used WoW as an example with its subscription, WoW was sold on disc at first and you had to install it. Then make an account and pay for a subscription. The subscription only covers the WoW/Blizzard account for an old copy of the game. Thusly, if a WoW equivalent was made today I should be able to host my own server since you can't play vanilla (not classic wow, which is basically an imitation) anymore.

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>>737064675
>90% of leftist discourse is pretending not to understand so nothing gets done
If I give any faggot on this earth money to use what they made, they then stop having any control over what I do with that thing. Weather it be software, a car, or a house.

Fuck you nigger for thinking your jew-rat corpo pits can ever decide what I can and can't do with my property. "But it's not yours"
Just cause a JEW says "actually you are just borrowing this" changes nothing.

Go back to plebbit faggot. men are talking.

Death to faggots.

>>737064675
everyone else pointed out your fallacy, so i'm just gonna call you a dumb fucking nigger
you dumb fucking nigger

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>>737059317
>"Gamers"

>>737064509
Because he's a kike faggot who never liked games. He literally spent years wanting PC gaming to die because he was investing into consoles. Meanwhile Gaben supports all his games decades later and they're built to be playable without relying on official servers.

>I FUCKING HATE CUSTOMER RIGHTS!!!
why are americans like this?

>>737064675
Kirby doesn't deserve to be used by such a retarded avatarfag.

>>737064768
Damn that's a real shame, mabe you shouldn't have been hostile to your userbase then.

>>737064863
He's a retard but you're an even bigger one. Fucking /pol/tards spouting memes they don't even understand.

>>737064836
Good luck not operating online games in the entire EU.

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>>737064892
>Confusing jew rats with Americans
Jeet

>>737064863
>I’m a gullible idiot and terrible with money so I have to make it the whole world’s problem

>>737064836
Almost all online games older than 20 years complies just fine.
Retard

>>737064874
>release the 'eck
>"it's a PC, you can do whatever the fuck you want with it"
>pirating and adding games as non-steam games is a-ok to Gayben
>you can remove SteamOS and install Windows and any other OS on it
Timmy Tencent could never

>>737064916
shareholders aren't going to like it when you stop offering your products to such a large userbase

>>737064874
>killed UT4, a game with minimal monetary needs, while literallly printing money with fortnite
epic game store could suck my dick for free and i'd still spit on it
fuck you sweeney, you motherfucker

>>737064745
>>737064249
i'm in the west eu dm server rn
vote roughinery

>>737064836
That's not what it means at all. It means that you could no longer just brick everyone's games because you didn't feel like hosting the servers anymore and didn't bother to come up with end of service plan.

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>>737064935
*glock glock glock corpo cock* That's you.
>>737064915
You are wrong. Sneed. :^)

>>737064768
Not retroactive.

>>737064931
So... what's the difference in this particular case?

>I FUCKING LOVE LIVING IN A TOTALITARIAN SOCIALIST POLICE-STATE
why are euroscum like this?

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>>737064864
What fallacy? Can you guys actually give examples where a company tried to deceive customers into thinking they own the product in a one-and-done type payment deal?

Then I'll concede.

>>737064931
Americans worship jews, they always have the same opinion as them so what's the diffrence?

I honestly and unironically have no idea who that is, and was expecting the rest of the thread to be people wondering who that is supposed to be as well.

>>737065042
"I'll consneed when you engage in my pilpul"
No :^)
>>737065069
>>737065035
Same fag Isrealis

>>737065029
>shartyfaggot
This site is for people over the age of 18.

>>737059516
>when did games become so controlled by politics
retard underage gen alpha poster

>>737064935
Too bad companies love gullible idiots and will do anything to force even those who aren't gullible idiots to buy the same thing gullible idiots buy by sistematically eliminating any alternative.

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>>737059807
Here's the problem: the money doesn't just disappear, it goes into the pocket of con artists and shysters. They use this money for bad things. They are not good people.
You aren't just hurting dumb people, you are actively helping bad people. This makes society worse for everybody, including those of us who aren't retarded enough to spend tens of thousands on garbage. But that money isn't just dissipating into the ether when it's spent, it's taken in by the garbage producers so they can produce more garbage and advertise it, and shill it and buy out their competition, and make the entire industry worse.
If you disagree with this, you are either too spiteful to care, you have delusions of benefiting, or you actually benefit from ripping people off. No matter which it is, I don't like you. Even if you're just baiting, you fall into the first category.

>I’m a broke neet failure
>therefore I need the government to oppress people who are more successful than me

>>737065079
boo-hoo, this is not your hugbox

>>737065112
Whats a sharty? Touch grass

>>737065042
You are so retarded

If this actually happens and human beings can run servers again we would actually end up with at least one place on the internet with free speech. That would be incredible. Might even get a company to allow it but I wouldn't hold my breath.

>>737065162
So you have no idea either. Got it.

>>737059928
>ross cleans up a little and absolutely mogs this turd

>corporations le evil and bad even doe every first world luxury I enjoy is because of corporations

>>737065149
Says the lefty, with not a hint of remorse.

>>737064756
>What closed it? What is stopping them from doing it right now? It at any other point in the last 40 years?
I dunno, probably because gaming is significantly, SIGNIFICANTLY more popular and mainstream now than it ever was, which now makes it a more important avenue for them to consider.

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IT IS AFRAID
You love to see it

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>>737065106
>>737065175
You can't even name one product?

>>737065198
I do, and you could read the thread to find out, everything you need to know is here

>>737065042
You already received all the explanation you need.
If you suffucated on so much corpo dick you received brain damage that's your problem.

>>737065287
>DUDE, JUST READ 300 POSTS. ALL THE INFO IS RIGHT THERE

>>737065262
I genuinely wonder how much companies are paying them.

>>737064675
No one is asking for games rented from blockbuster or whatever to keep them forever though???

The world went to shit once the consumers replaced workers.

>>737064931
The one attribute common between Indians and Americans is their inexplicable devotion to companies and corporations. There's nary a corporate dick they won't eagerly suck.

The very notion that a government is there to... you know... govern is a shocking revelation to them.

>>737065037
>I FUCKING LOVE WHEN CORPOS FUCK ME IN THE ASS AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!! SURELY IF I IGNORE THE PROBLEM CORPOS WILL STOP RAPING ME ANYWAY!!!
Why are burgers like this?

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>>737065383
oh babby wants the airplane? okay here comes the airplane! zooooooom

>>737064085
I don't play these games or buy microtransactions, but it's obviously good having the government step in if it hurts game companies and reduces the amount of cancerous practices they can get away with.
The people giving them money are the real problem, and they deserve to have their free will regulated, stupid fucking cunt.

>>737065460
Burgers love getting raped by corporations though.

>>737065468
Joke's on you, faggot. I just reverse searched it and turns out it's some nobody youtuber.

>>737065395
it's amazing the lenghts these fuckers will go in order to not give a single inch back to consumers
and probably a lot, considering a few fuckers like this shill pretending to be a fucking retard with the kirby avatar are probably on the same payroll

>>737065042
>What fallacy?
the one where you completely misrepresent what is being talked about
but you already knew that, corpo rat shill and are pretending to be ignorant

>>737059516
stupid goyim or evil jew, call it

>>737065030
It's still unreasonable to expect developers to implement these defunct (and unsafe) methods especially since they're more difficult for no benefit