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>Dark ones are back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcMPEfcCD24
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Finally a good video game. Am i seeing that DLSS 5 in the trailer? Like on that old hag's face
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>>737059365
>>737060006
Not on Snitch, got your panties in a wad
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>>737059339
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>'le hecking neo-Nazis' are the villains
>'Fürher Hunter protects you'
>kek wat
>The New Reich is our home
come the fuck oooooon
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>>737064773
Have you not played the previous Metro games? They feature both the 4th Reich and the commies as factions(you get to shoot both, but one of the commies is a total fucking bro in last light).
2033 has you shooting more Nazis while Last Light is about not letting commies steal all your shit.
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gameplay segment was nothing. it just showcases more advanced animation and better looking graphics I guess. shooting one shot then running away? stupid cinematic gameplay. and 15 seconds kill animation.
classically they are gameplay games. all this cinematic focus is a red flag.
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>>737059339
I have a fucking chud fatigue. Metro has always been dark/political with obvious soviet/nazi themes, meanwhile chuds are now shitting themselves at the sight or mention of any of that as woke. Any mention of Ukraine or anything anti-russhit is also working on the chuds like some red scarf on a bull, as if ukros ever did to them sucking off the goyest US president bankrolling jews in Israel.
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>>737059339
QRD on the Elephant please
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>>737064929
>Placing 'le hecking nazi' faction as the main villains
>Pulling the 'slava ukraini' shtick right before the trailer starts
>all in the current political climate
The original Metro is already hacky as shit, but at least it's a somewhat entertaining hackiness; it's pulp, pretty much. But this is next level of hackiness, beyond the pale.
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>>737059339
>4th reich are the antagonists
>not overgrown hanza after exodus
Gay, reductive and feels like a pimping out of the ip. Like how do we squeeze out a recognised name but put in minimal effort.
>muh nazis
The fourth reich were squabbling isolationist retards in the games, is this just keeping it 50/50 with the reds being the bad guys in last light or true dog shit basics because anything beyond nazis is too hard for modern writers?
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>>737065472
its like tickle me elmo but for russian kids
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>>737059339
>nazis le bad
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Is there.... "weird supernatural shit" in this franchise or is all more "grounded"
obviously mutated shit by radiation and shit is there, but seeing the heavy "dreamlike" trailer got me confused
i have no idea about this franchisei think i onw a couple of the games on steam from a giveaway
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>>737065758
>is this just keeping it 50/50 with the reds being the bad guys in last light or true dog shit basics because anything beyond nazis is too hard for modern writers?
Feels like the latter. Would have been way cooler to have Hansa be the villains
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>>737065853
slon-eeky
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>>737065884
The series always had supernatural elements but it was never fully confirmed whether these were radiation-induced hallucinations or actually supernatural. Standard stuff like ghosts(they look like nuke shadows), magical rivers, visions of the past or future, talking pipes, etc.
The presentation in the games leans more towards actually supernatural.
There's less of these in Exodus and most of them happen in the most heavily irradiated place in Russia so at least with Exodus it leans more towards hallucinations caused by your brain getting fried by radiation.
>>737065458
Then how do you distinguish between games that are fun to play because the core gameplay is innately engaging and games that are fun to play because the theming around the core gameplay elevates it? This is most noticeable with horror games, like Silent Hill's(the original) story is nothing to write home about and the gameplay is ~ok~ but the game is great because of its atmosphere.
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So they brought Hunter back, but made him the bad guy now?
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>>737066541
nothing
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>>737066820
and the games are a deviation. It'll be like 343 and staten, dmitiry will have given them something to work with so they can claim authenticity but ultimately it'll be some clowns throwing shit at the wall that decide the rest
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>>737059339
I'll never understand the appeal of this series past the first one, which was mediocre but was carried by it's unique setting. Last Light was meh since the novelty wore off, and Exodus was fucking awful.
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Looks alright.
Metro games always had political shit in them, nazis vs commies vs neutral party(rangers).
I'll wait til' closer to release to get excited or not.
If it's
>Artyom is bad guy now
Then I will instantly ignore it as a canon game.
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I don't think he'd take the role of being in control to a point where he'd be abducting kids forcefully.
That's the whole point of the past 3 games, is getting away from being controlled, now somehow he'd be the controller? To do what, bring people to an actual better place?
Iunno, if they make us going against Artyom/Anna, I'm definitely not buying.
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>>737067073
the last game was him escaping the metro. I would be surprised if he would show up in this game
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I mean, he does he wants to return at the end of Exodus' good ending to lead the metro dwellers to the surface
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>>737067213
Why the fuck would he bow down to the faction system that's purposefully built around keeping people underground? He knows it's all a fucking sham controlled by the glowies hiding in Metro 2. Spartans are going to crash the whole party, not meddle with this made up bullshit.
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>Hunter conquered the entire Metro
>Instead of establishing a true Sparta culture to prepare for his mad quest to fight the Dark Ones, he took on the Reich aesthetic, memes, and ideology instead
I know they want to do "Ziggers are littereally naZi", but why throw away a logical setup for this?
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>>737068045
>the faction system that's purposefully built around keeping people underground
The Reich is the faction with the most surface colonies out of all the factions, that's why, and the ones with an active goal of pursuit towards it.
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>>737067073
I don't think they'll make Artyom the bad guy, but they might kill him off.
He came back to Moscow, spread the message about the outside world, then died and now his message is being used by some other guy to control people.
Or maybe it's like the 2035 book where everyone is retarded and doesn't even want to leave so Artyom fucks off with only a small handful of people and then this new guy takes over(this takes place like 4 years after Exodus).
Maybe the full Aurora crew even returns at some point to help you out.
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>>737068496
No idea about that, the last we saw of the metro was in 2035 and Exodus, but Last Light saw to it that the communists were intensely crippled and had a famine going on, Hansa was corrupt, and the Spartans lost their commanding officer as he went with Artyom along with other qualified operatives. The Reich, however, only strenghtened themselves after Last Light and 2035, but what happened between then and 2039 is hard to say.
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>>737067864
I recall, but like other anon said>>737067926
He wants to return and get other people out of the metro, there are no 'occupying' forces on the surface as they were told, all their comms are being scrambled so they cannot communicate outside of specific channels etc.
I hardly see Artyom as being the bad guy somehow. That'd be fucking retarded.
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>>737068496
They're using the same uniforms at least.
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>>737068527
If they kill off Artyom that'd be the biggest gut kick.
That'd just ruin all of the past 3 games and I'd be disappointed they couldn't write anything else outside of relying on a great protagonist dying for a sob story or some shit.
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It took me until Exodus to realise the Dark Ones aren't aliens
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>>737068790
fucking jumpscare
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>>737059339
> Made by open russophobes
> Writing by liberal that hates his own people
Nah, i'm pass. Evil cannot create and these people are clearly evil
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Chances they feature the muslims or the antiquarians?
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>>737068886
i have the entire library (2033 physical) both on steam and gog
i have both 2033 and 2034 books ( didn't read 2035)
the trailer is comical for how generic it is, this is 100% going to be surface level "fight against the evil empire" story that has been beaten to death while they kept desecrating its corpse
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Because Russia is based, trad and Christian country that values it's people and traditions, and only evil person would hate that
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>Because Russia is based, trad and Christian country that values it's people and traditions, and only evil person would hate that
so why are they sending their men to die for territorial conquest and replacing them with jeets to fuck their women?
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Yeah, what i got from the trailer is that the fascist faction took over and now you have to fight back or something like that
Maybe i got it all wrong but watching the dev commentary it seems they're going in that direction
That'd miss the point of the Metro universe so fucking hard, they never depicted the factions as either straight up good or bad
The entire point was to criticize war as a whole, and that everyone in their mind is convinced that he's doing the right thing and that justifies his actions.
Fucking hell in Last Light you literally get betrayed by your commie friend and then later it turns out the commie leader is actually an adolf hitler lookalike lmao.
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>>737069928
>both the nazis and communists are evil
and Hansa, and the bandits, and the Big Worm worshippers, and the other religious cults and Polis for not giving a shit about you or your home, and YOU for wanting to whipe out the Dark One for just trying to communicate
Everyone is technically "evil" that's the point I'm trying to make
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Can somebody remind me what's the in-game lore about the outside elites and world?
>Invisible Watchers are just a spoopy myth in the first 2 games, barely mentioned
>in Exodus you find the jammer hiding Moscow from the rest of the world, supposedly from the government remnants
>you go to the Yamantau Bunker, but it turns out the government people never actually made it there and it's populated by caniballs luring people in
>but the jammer still works and there's other such stuff, so whoever set it up and is pretending to be the government does exist and is powerful
>only Artyom and his friends know this for sure, plus some random people probably
That's all the actual facts, yeah? The fake narrative of NATO occupying Russia is book only, the game lie is that Moscow is the last metro standing. And that the government remnants are the Invisible Watchers is also a book only thing, in the games you only know they set up the jammer and communicate with some people. But not to the point of all the main factions being their puppets, as is in the books.
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>>737070385
Okay and? What about the fourth reich somehow being able to take control of the metro and then starting doing nazi things misses the point about these games?
If anything the only thing that might bother me depending on how they tell this story is how the nazis became so powerful in the first place. Them being one of the most evil factions within the metro is nothing new.
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i think exodus was a bit underwhelming
the only metro game to have a depressing "we live in the tunnels and are poor" feeling is the first game before it got remade into redux
the bastard gun's reload animation was cooler too
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>>737059339
>Nazis bad
based
>no commies present
lame as FUCK
the entire pull of Metro was Fascist and Communists being equally retarded and slaughtering both of them for their gear
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>>737071595
Commie leadership probably got wiped and Red Line might be no more, but you bet your ass there will be communist remnants. Ideology does not disappear over night, that's kinda the whole deal with Metro.
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>muh nazis bad
i'm getting tired of shit bullshit
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>>737071595
The commies are present in the canon and they're complete cunts. They send suicide meat waves and the most prominent communist character is a traitorous piece of shit that nearly kills Artyom. They even infiltrate the Order with a jew double agent. The Nazis straight up win against the communists and that's why they're the final threat of Last Light. There are capitalists as well in their own faction but their contribution to the central conflict is as a neutral third party just letting everyone else fuck everything up while sending medical aid after the fact. They're gutless cowards.
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>>737060440
>but le natzis are the le good guys or something
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>>737071854
I don't remember them being mentioned. I severely crippled Hanza was pretty much the last faction standing in Exodus before Miller and Artyom took their best soldiers with them and bailed. Hunter starting a new Reich to "wipe out all the mutants" and owerthrowing them is not that crazy.
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Regardless of how you felt about it, Exodus is the most compelling formula for open world games going forwardd. We need to do away with needlessly large static worlds that are just filled with ubisoft fetch quest shit as a sad excuse for side content, and replace them with a series of maps that are basically expanded hub zones like the ones that can be found in games from franchises like Deus Ex or KOTOR. That way you can still have a sense of exploration, while also making sure that most of the content is handcrafted and meaningful, compared to "Outpost 11 out of 25 destroyed".
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>>737059339
The main writer of the game is literally a liberal that sold his country, his people and his honor fore 30 silver coins.
He is evil. And evil cannot create
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>>737070551
The watchers are the remnants of the government. They hide in a secret bunker inside of the Moscow's metro.
>The fake narrative of NATO occupying Russia is book only
It's the entire reason why in Exodus Miller acts all retarded once the crew steps moves away from Moscow.
>And that the government remnants are the Invisible Watchers is also a book only thing
>But not to the point of all the main factions being their puppets, as is in the books.
Both of these are in the game.
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>>737071854
This is set in 2039, I believe Last Light is set around 2035 or so.
The Red Line is wiped out, and the Nazi high command were wiped out. The Order was also wiped out. The only standing factions would be the remnants of both factions' standing military, and Hanza who are capitalist and control trade routes.
The most logical major faction should be Hanza but they are not interested in doing much beyond controlling trade and enforcing their home station which was connected to several others in a ring. I don't remember how much of a standing Army they had sans The Order through Polis (they were in effect allied with each other, Hanza sends aid during the war) so with them all dead Hanza might be too weak militarily to stop another war or seize the entirety of the Metro. Iirc they were also responsible for The Invisible Watchers, but we don't learn how many men they actually committed to that.
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>>737072149
you're just describing open level design, not open worlds but I agree. Large, open ended maps that give the player freedom to explore, find new ways to get around, have some mini objectives to do, optional content, quests, etc.
Basically a more immersive sim style formula where each map is a large level with a lot of stuff to do, and it's highly detailed but once you finish the level you move onto another one. .
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>>737072298
Iirc yes which is why I brought them up, but we don't know how many people they had committed to that. Hanza didn't seem interested in the LL conflict too much. Polis is basically fucked and no longer has an army.
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Which of the books are good?
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>>737072278
I mean in Metro Exodus the Shadow Government is literally how the game starts, Artyom accidently turns off the radio jammer and they learn the rest of the world is alive and leave Moscow and don't go back.
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>>737072278
This. It's obvious that this is what's happening.
>>737072363
t, didn't pick up on the clues
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>>737071595
Didn't the commies get btfo fiercely in last light? When they attacked sparta bunker or whatever?
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>>737059339
>Novo Reich
>Fuhrer hunter
I know the author HATES Russia and can understand why, but is portraying them as NSDAP really necessary? This is not only an insult to NSDAP but also contradict the lore of the metro universe, the neo-nazi in the book and game only controlled three station while most stations were controlled by the communists. Why is it always need to be some Nazi thing with these Ukrainian retards? It was the USSR who genocide and starved their people pre-ww2 and it was an ex-KGB agent with Soviet and tzarist infatuation who invaded their shithole right now. Seriously, what is wrong with these Ukrainian faggots?
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>>737072401
Artyom says in the good ending of Exodus that he'll return to the Metro iirc. So he could be in play, but I doubt he became fucking neo-hitler. The good ending of LL is definitively canon so Artyom doesn't like killing people all too much.
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>Because Ukraine is based, trad and Christian country that values it's people and traditions, and only evil person would hate that
FTFY, zigger faggot
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>mfw no game about Artyom building up a settlement in the outside world
>mfw no game about Artyom going back to metro to tell everyone how shit isn’t fucked beyond the city
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>>737072282
Yea that's exactly what I meant even if I was misusing open world. It's just a better design as a far as I'm concerned. Even though they're a shell of their former selves, I feel like Bethesda is one of the only companies I can think of that did real open world games well, and it was Skyrim that started the whole craze for the genre in general.
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>>737072486
> Islam.... LE BAD
Fuck off
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>>737072526
I did like what Exodus did with that kind of design, but at the same time the maps still felt kind of empty because there wasn't like a ton of specific side content you could do, or NPCs to meet and talk to, or hidden things like upgrades to your weapons or whatever to find. It was a good starting point but it still needs a bit more.
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>>737069296
I've played all the previous games, it just seems like heavy handed shit we've seen before in other media. I'm tired of it, we already had the nazis in last light. It feels especially weird in our current political climate where everyone hates israel. More propaganda-y eternal victim shit.
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>>737072504
>>mfw no game about Artyom going back to metro to tell everyone how shit isn’t fucked beyond the city
I'll be really surprised if rangers don't show up in the middle of 2039 and flip the entire narrative from the reich to invisible watchers.
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>>737072651
They don't need to canonize the bad ending to make a power vacuum. All the Spartans die except a handful and the Red Line and a lot of Nazis are dead. It makes sense the Nazis are the primary antagonists, they were simply the most fit after the events of LL either way.
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>>737072596
Yea that's fair. I should have specified open world RPGs. For whatever reason, games like morrowind and oblivion are the only open world ones that really ever clicked for me. Every other open world game I've played always left me feeling that it could have been better if it was just a series of open levels.
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Russian bots working overtime
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>oh cool, that reminds me a lot of 2033 instead of Exodus
>I wonder if I'm the only one
>*goes on /v/eddit*
>*pol vomit everywhere*
I forgot anything Russian/Ukraine related shit is indiscussable here.
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>>737072840
Caspian sucks but it makes up for it with Novosibirsk and The Two Colonels is probably the best DLC in Metro and one of the best DLC stories ever. It's definitely worth it to push through Caspian to experience.
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>https://www.4a-games.com.mt/4a-dna/2026/4/16/metro-2039-a-letter-to-o ur-community
Oh god this is going to be pure slop isn't it? I can understand some trashing of the Russians sure but not at the expense of a compelling in game narrative.
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>>737059339
>5 minutes of THESE EVIL NAZI CARICATURES ARE BAD
>last 10 seconds it goes "oh also this is a Metro game btw" and pans out to post apoc Moscow
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>>737072905
yeah, believe me, looking at the wiki and seeing dead city makes me seethe since its the only setting resembling actual Metro minus the DLC, hopefully this new one is just Exodus but city districts and metro paths
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>>737072203
How sure are you of this? I was pretty sure that I remember how the game is, but after some Googling I'm confused and definitely mixing stuff up with the book.
>The watchers are the remnants of the government.
That's what they claim to be, and the Yamantau thing is just a fakeout. I agree that they most likely are, but it's not confirmed ingame.
>Miller acts all retarded
Miller was in contact with the government remnants who lied to him that Moscow is the last Russian city alive, but that's because everything else is nuked, not because WW3 is still going on and there's NATO forces in Russia. I'm somewhat sure of this one.
>Both of these are in the game
The government spreading the Watchers myth I agree, but I don't think anyone makes this connection in game.
For the factions being Watcher puppets, this one I disagree. I can't find an actual source of this being ingame, apart from people commenting about it with what seems book lore. Who would even tell you this ingame, obviously not Miller.
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>>737072895
yeah I wonder why "pol vomit" is happening when the entire trailer (preceded by the lead dev going "slava ukrani") is just WW2 era nazis shipping kids off in trains and brainwashing kids
it's just like metro 2033 dood
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Someone compare this to the previous trailers to see if it was always like this. Metro definitely had political factions but it never felt so heavy handed and generic like this. It was more about the bleakness and confusion of the metro. I was hoping it'd lean more into the hopefulless of Exodus' good ending and have us trying to rebuild or something. At the very least I'm glad the dark ones are back.
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>>737072963
Didn't hold a candle to me to The Two Colonels. I didn't care for Sam as a protagonist at all.
The Two Colonels is just really fucking good. Miller coming to terms with the pointlessness of his militaristic fanaticism, Khelibnikov's entire story, Miller recognizing a brother in arms and you know they'd have been great friends, him saluting him, both of them doomed by their faith in their higher ups, it was just really fucking good man. And you get to watch the entire Novosbirsk metro system slowly dying. The entire time you know there's no way out but everyone is just clinging to denial.
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