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>do everything /v/ says is bad on the character they say is the weakest
>win easily
Hmmm...
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>>737089853
>picks ironchad
>takes every “bait” card
>hunts every elite with 32 max HP
>still winstreaks

maybe /v/ just sucks at the game???

Every time this board says “X is unpickable” it just means you can’t autopilot it. Ironclad isn’t weak, you guys just refuse to draft block unless it says “draw 3”.

Elite hunting is only “bad” if your deck is dogshit and you path like a coward. You’ve got Offering+, Shrug It Off x2, Flame Barrier+, and a pile of strength scaling. Of course it works.

Crazy how playing the video game instead of repeating tier list memes results in wins. Hmmm indeed.
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>>737090243
Dude, they say relics are bad and the fucking Drill was run-defining, not to mention paper phrog and ice cream and even vambrace. Drill gave me an almost completely free Hydras, and was still being useful against Infested Prism in act 3. I love the Drill now.
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THIS is phobia mode?
What kind of gay fucking phobias are people making up these days?
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>>737091262
Should be this instead
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I want to stop sucking so bad at this game.
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ironclad isnt the weakest, necrobinder is.
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>>737090243
based ironchad. They just cope and say you must be cheating if you don't suck and follow a stupid tier list.
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>>737092618
>i keep getting hard filtered by a10 silent
i'd like to place an order for 3 pallets of over please
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>>737092932
>A10 Silent
I've beaten A10 twice with Silent and once with Necro. I can't beat it on anyone else.
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>>737092932
Funny enough silent is the one I struggle the most with at A10, but its a cakewalk with anyone else since they mostly don't get hard countered like she does
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patch sux
kill all lizers
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I know you dumbass can't read Chinese, so I'm translating it into your grandpa's white-ass language to f*cking roast your ass.

Alright, alright, let’s watch these bigshots with their pale-ass “noble bloodlines” wriggling around in Advanced 0 like gutter bugs, trying so hard to flex their “mad game sense” while simultaneously purging dissent, spouting racist crap, and kissing the devs’ ass all over the forums!

Look at them—literally less verbally intimidating than a three-year-old and can’t offer a shred of useful game advice (all they do is hoard a bunch of useless cards and scuttle around Advanced 0 like cockroaches breeding out of control, only to get booted straight back to the tower by Anthony-sama’s little clever tricks). Because they contribute zero to this game’s playability or longevity, all they can do is rage impotently and blame Chinese players for “being too picky,” huh?

Don’t make me laugh, you bunch of m*ther-f***ing inbred pale pigs!

On Chinese gaming forums, your so-called status is even lower than cheaters. (Oh wait, I forgot—you guys love downloading “mods” from Nexus that are basically cheats, right? No wonder you’re inferior even to domestic players who cheat just for vanity. You’re greedy, self-righteous, vain as hell, can’t handle any criticism, and blind to anything beyond your tiny brain—no wonder everyone looks down on you!)

Stop acting like clowns on crack, and go back to your grandpa-white-skinned milk bottle, suck it down, and stay out of the way.
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>>737089853
>A8
The game is free before A9. A9 is the only ascension that matters.
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Hostan, A9
Will embark with 3/4
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242172418375/76561198094567415
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>>737093376
3/4
Waiting 3 mins then starting.
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>>737093376
I'll hit ready as soon as you admit that the best character is [Insert the one you hate the most]
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>>737093562
Okay... I actually like them all a fair bit, though I find Regent to be the one who's the most underbaked is actually really good
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>half health
>chance a late act 2 elite like a fool
>oh it's prism, this is easy
>no block cards first turn, that's okay
>no block second turn, alright this is pretty bad
>no block cards third turn
it was punishment for my hubris, it's the only explanation
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>Get entire shop when you enter
oh yeah its bloatmaxxing time
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>>737093660
Last parasol run I had somehow worked smoothly. I think the key is hitting 3+ shops so you have so many relics the random deck somehow works. The colorless cards put in work.
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>>737089853
Seal of gold is so much better than ecto. I've won every run I've taken it so far.
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>>737093194
>he didn't eat the egg
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you should take this every run
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>>737094032
I fuarking love prismatic gem
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>>737094032
I've only ever encountered it once in my 100hr playtime and I skipped it
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>start run
>encounter regular mob that does 20-30 damage every turn
>close game
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>>737094716
which regular mob does that?
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>>737094807
Bird
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>>737094830
but it does 17 and then 15 damage on the first two turns and isn't a regular mob
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>>737094852
I took Tank
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>>737094634
Orobas will remember that and only offer you 6 strike/defend upgrades now. You shouldn't have upset him.
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>>737094920
you win this round
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I had a lot of fun with the first infinite I've ever manged to build until i ran into doormaker
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>>737094582
based and rainbowpilled

Prismatic Gem is the “this run is no longer about winning, it’s about sending a message” relic.
>ironclad
>offered Creative AI
>sure why not
>pick up Glacier next floor
>die to Nob because your deck is 26 skills

You don’t take Gem to climb. You take it to discover new, deeply unethical card interactions that should not exist in nature.

Skipping it after 100 hours is crazy though. That was your canon event and you walked away from it.
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>50+ card deck
>27 relics
>at asc10
I'll never have another run quite like it again, and that's sad.
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>>737093376
>Roll the big dick forge combo for bosses 1 and 2
>Bottom deck everything boss 3
lol. lmao
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>>737095094
lmao
At least now you know that you'll need to start grabbing cards if you see the doormaker at the top, even if you have an infinite going.
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>>737095094
what the christ
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>>737094807
like 90% of them?
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>>737095293
Because of Prowess, Rainbow Ring and whatever the fuck I had like 8 Strength and 6 Dex.
I drew fucking knife trap to play 33 fucking shivs right as the experiment went out of Intangible.
Man, that was really fun. G fucking G man.
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Has anyone tried the mobile fan port?
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>>737095430
such as?
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GG you two. I had Fairy in a Bottle banked for a while so I was never really in any danger especially with the star engine online by phase 3 of Test Subject letting me block as much as I needed

>>737095293
>>737095436
Whoever the Silent is, I always see you eating fucktons of damage every /v/ lobby run we have. I know the feeling
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>>737095486
Yeah, I suck at this game, but I have fun regardless.
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>>737089853
Might plan on joining up some lobbies since I’ve now been forced onto the updated changes on the main branch. How chill are the lobbies? What ascensions are y’all usually tackling?
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>>737096163
>Might plan on joining up some lobbies
Welcome aboard anon!
>How chill are the lobbies?
Very
>What ascensions are y’all usually tackling?
Highest we can have, since the maximum is based on the lowest in the lobby. For example if somebody with A4 joins and everybody else is A10, we all get brought down to A4. We've all been pretty cool so far with helping other anons get their ascensions up in multiplayer.
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LOBBY
>LOBBY
LOBBY
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242176029739/76561198002917239
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>>737096163
Get in here anon >>737096457
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>>737096457
2/4 GET IN HERE NIGGERS
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OKAY ADMITTEDLY THAT WENT POORLY
I'LL REHOST
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>>737097070
I did get NOT YET thanks to Neow's Bones plus Guilty curse was mild and easily overcome... but it wasn't enough... I didn't have enough block...
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>>737097070
LOBBY
>LOBBY
LOBBY
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242176767190/76561198002917239
WE WON'T GET FUCKED THIS TIME
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if i give up a relic like that gives enchants on pickup gnarled hammer in an event, does it remove the enchantments from the cards? i would assume not, but my deck is kinda relying on the damage right now so i gotta ask.
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>>737094032
I've only had this offered twice in all my runs so far
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>>737097070
This card is a noob trap btw
Block 10 for 2 lmao
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>>737097348
I'm not sure I entirely understand your question, but each card can only have one enchantment on them. You won't be able to put the "Sharp" on a card if it already has another enchantment.
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I really like Adaptive Strike
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>>737089853
>a8
Literally and figuratively irrelevant, unless you stream your wins it’s worthless
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>>737097105
>got two blocks in one card
Woooooooooooow, that was supposed to save you?
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Why is Chang like this?
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So now do we host on beta or the normal branch
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>>737098641
they are mandated by their government to be offended about something
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>>737098641
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurting_the_feelings_of_the_Chinese_people
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>>737098641
manlet rage
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>>737092798
I agree with this. Necro feels like it has the weakest numbers and the most confined buildpaths. I actually don't really like playing her.
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Am I supposed to take junk cards with an exhaust deck? It was getting really thin during fights, but I wasn't getting any good damage options. I love Bludgeon so much.
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>>737099151
>Cinder
AHAHAHAHAHA Ohnonono
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>>737099228
It's not too bad with Slither on it. It was the only damage I was presented early on.
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WELL BOYS WE TRIED BUT TEST SUBJECT MULTIPLAYER IS A THREE HEADED NIGGER. even though the one headed part is the problem. GG
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>>737099151
You're supposed to take some cards that draw more cards for starters, besides just Dark Embrace
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Not GG, kind of a waste of time but the lesson is I cannot scale on Echo Form alone. I didn't have any endgame with all that energy I had and it still wasn't enough to do anything. Echo Form into double Knockdown+ for REAL HUGE DAMAGE was the highlight of the run for me honestly. Fuck this shit man
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>>737097107
RIP, if i had enough setup time i could've gone infinite on him
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>>737099270
And yeah, you need some fodder to feed ashen strike
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>>737097348
Most relics that bestow something on something else, like mango, potion belt, and whetstone don't really need to still exist after they granted their bonus to their target. The main ones you want to hold onto are things that trigger based on gameplay events. I'm very certain you would keep the enchants, since these types of relics trigger "on pick-up."
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>>737089853
>a8
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I just watched a guy do math for 20 minutes before playing 3 cards.
I will never possess such levels of autism.
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>>737100139
Life coach?
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>>737100209
Opem counting slow stacks on the statue.
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>no patch this week
Oh…
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Snecko is such a mess.
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How do you get that link to host rooms?
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>>737100502
I finally made Murder work on Silent when I immediately got it after taking Snecko
And then I got to Corrupt it in Act 3
Such a shit card in almost any other circumstance but swinging for 180 with it by turn 5 was nice
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today, a7...
tomorrow, a10...
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>>737100260
>he didn't play on pre-early access 2024 closed beta
>he will never beat the game
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So if I want to do a multiplayer run, the LOWEST ascension is used for everyone based on the character picked? I'm 6 years old, help.
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>>737101034
multiplayer ascensions are separate for some godforsaken reason, though mercifully they're shared between characters
but that means if ANYONE in the lobby has a multiplayer ascension of 0 then you have to play a0
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>>737101017
Pre access beta has blood for blood
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>>737101034
Phew, i didn't know what the new doormaker did, was damn lucky to get music box as my act 3 reward i guess. Hang seems pretty good.
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>>737100405
About that.
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>>737102540
Yeah, it's just a merge of the last weeks' couple of patches. Nothing new for betachads.
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>>737095057
Regent would never
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>>737094032
I take it 100% of the time
only seen it once
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I feel like I'm just throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks with Ironclad A9+. I never felt this way with Silent, Defect, or Necro at A10.
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I feel like a retard for thinking lava lamp was shit before.
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>have Pael's legion
>didn't draw enough block turn 1 against fucking bugs
>-30 hp
>didn't draw enough block against milidpede
>-36 hp in two turns
WOOOOOOOOOOOW, I LOVE A10, SO FUCKING GREAT TO LOSE ALL HP IN TWO TURNS
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I've been doing almost nothing but clad in solo and multi and god he feels so much better to play now with colossus at uncommon. Blocking is so much easier than it used to be.
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>>737104412
>Blocking is so much easier than it used to be.
unless game never offers you it, then it's the same fucking shit
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>>737104439
It's the same fucking shit a whole lot less often now so I'll enjoy the change, thanks.
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the cards from this event really aren't bad at all (except clash)
pretty much never take the relic since they're all such shit
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>>737104552
I counted that last time I was offered Colossus was 5 runs ago, so 4 runs without single offer of Colossus
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This Ricochet is going to do some fucking NUMBERS
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Are beta and main on the same version now?
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>>737104634
I took them all from your runs for the benefit of my run just now and I'll keep taking them until you adjust your sass mouth.
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>praise
>angry Chinese man
>praise
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All for one silent
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The amount of <10min losses I'm accumulating on A10 Ironclad is ridiculous. At this point I just want a cheap win so I never have to play this retard again.
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>>737104579
Rebound feels undeserved in the trash pile even without streamline in spire 2, I'd love to see it with an adaptive strike all for one build.
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A10 Test Subject has been ruining my fucking runs. I better not hear people still griping about beta Doorman.
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>>737104112
The only success I've found with ironclad is drafting full unga no block
A shame because I loved block clad on 1
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>>737104412
feels like a retarded bandaid solution that is still failing to address the root cause
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>>737091262
nothing more scarier den da WOIMZ
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>>737104754
at this stage they should just add a third chink branch
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>>737104661
i'm cumming
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>>737104927
>failing to address the root cause
What does this even mean? It sounds like you're missing the point of the character.
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>>737104754
>(Banned)
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A beautiful Arsenal+Stardust deck ruined by Doorguy's energy steal phase and having draw cards on non-draw phase. Perhaps I shoul've added a second damage options or more star gen.
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>>737105163
Lighter is GOAT.
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>>737104927
Where the devs stand on Fasten will probably be a big sign of where they feel on the blocking issue for Ironclad.
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and of course I drew corruption with only strikes as not bound cards despite having mostly skills in my deck, fuck this bullshit
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https://files.catbox.moe/zxsfh3.mp4

My Transforms gave me Sweeping Gaze and Neurosurge. Osty builds are so fun
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>every act 2 path has like 4 fights in a row before anything else
>literally get hunter killer on the first hard pool fight
>-50hp
>lose two floors later
lol
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>draw bad? YOU LOSE
absolute bullshit
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>>737106546
also ZERO NOT YET FROM ALL STOKE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA, I blame devs for fucking my rng
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>>737106593
Stoke is a horrendous meme, I'm finally willing to admit.
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>>737106616
stoke was great, I didn't get Dark Embrace(of course they made it rare so fuck you exhaust builds) so had to rely on Joss Paper for draw, So Stoke would give me about 1.5 card draw, fuel Ashen Strike and 20 block
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>>737106616
I wish it was better but needing to spend energy on random cards that are themselves not free is always a recipe for getting fucked.

>>737106695
Yeah stoke was good before they changed it, I don't see myself ever picking this anymore.
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>>737106616
>1 mana for infinite block with FnP and scaling for your exhaust wincon(that stoke will give you)
Stoke is a literal instawin.
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>>737106616
Stoke is basically Dead Branch lite now bro. Got it from Neow the other day and picked up a Feel No Pain right after. Basically carried the run for me, didn't even get any real card draw until Act 3.
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>>737106797
>1 mana for 16-24 block when you have FnP+ already in play and now a hand full of random full-cost cards for your deck cycle instead of actually trimming down the bullshit you don't want
Part of your "exhaust wincon" is getting trash out of the way so you can draw those ashen strikes more often and stoke does not do that anymore. It was way stronger before.
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>>737106850
It's dead branch that costs energy / draw, to be fair. And you have to have it in hand with trash you want to burn.
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>>737106925
>Part of your "exhaust wincon" is getting trash out of the way
Which stoke does.
> and stoke does not do that anymore.
Stoke gives you ashen strike.
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>>737106546
Pranked
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>>737107046
>Which stoke does.
No it doesn't because it replaces your hand of exhausted cards with a hand of random cards.
>gives you ashen strike
occasionally, along with a hand full of other random bullshit. That will clog up your discard/draw pile.
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Corruption should have innate for being a bloody ancient relic, it used to be a rare for god's sake and wasn't as strong as Echo Form(that's still rare) and Wraith Form
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>>737107149
I haven't F2d yet but I still think Ironclad needs touches, even if I don't feel he's horrible.
if they want Vuln to be an archetype, we need more appliers like Break. Corruption being 1/50 runs feels terribly sad. I don't think Not Yet moved the needle.
Once I finish my A10 grind I'll say he just need smoothing.
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>>737107098
>No it doesn't because it replaces your hand of exhausted cards with a hand of random cards.
And some of them exhaust other cards or themselves. Or are powers.
>occasionally, along with a hand full of other random bullshit.
It's called a toolbox.
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What are good draw cards for Regent? The 2-cost one always feels too expensive to me
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>>737107292
Glow+ is a staple card 90% of the time.
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HOW THE FUCK DO I PLAY DEFECT
FUICK
SIHYT
HOHNGDAMN
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>>737107292
glow is excellent and glimmer is also alright
prophesize only works in decks where most of your attacks/block are star cards so you can use energy for drawing them

>>737107335
just make a bunch of orbs and let god sort it out, makes it to at least a5
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>>737089853
How do I git gud? I keep getting filtered on the 2nd map.
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and Forgotten Soul is SUCH a shit relic. How's that even an option?
>here you have 3-9 times weaker Charon Ashes(and it's only good in few Necro and Clad decks) or your core card no longer exhausts
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i swear it used to just be shit like stabby and slavers that open fights like this, now it feels like every random mook is taking chunks out of you for having a bad turn one
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>>737107598
Instead of some rooms chipping you away like in sts1 (avocado & rat, snake plant) every room is designed to do it now on high ascensions, and pretty much everyone can see it. Its made high ascensions even more draw good than they already were in sts1. Especially the bosses at the end of each act
>Killed waterfall giant too slow? Eat 40
>Draw bad against queen? Eat 50
>Can't kill test subject in 3 turns? Eat 60
>Play a lot of cards? Hunter killer
>Trying to save hp? Pill bug/Thorn toad/Double nibbits

Really only have a 5-10% winrate at A10 compared to how broken you can get in sts1.
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remove cost increase making it into the update is cringe
why is megacrit so racist against thin decks
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>>737106938
>And you have to have it in hand with trash you want to burn.
Since Stoke itself doesn't exhaust, it doesn't even matter that much if you exhaust a decent card with it - just Stoke again the next time you draw it.
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I seriously don't understand wtf I'm supposed to do against Doormaker now, doesn't he counter basically every build?
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yeah I simply can't win with Ironclad on a10
>watch vmService video explaining how not to lose on Ironclad
>his first card is fasten
>his second card is Bludgeon
oh great, just get lucky
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why are people mad
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>>737108010
No idea. The energy phase is awful
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>>737108010
Play shit you don't mind exhausting on turn 2(or eat dmg to face if they're essential for later), and then just block+do dmg until you kill on next exhaust or draw phase, it's the easiest act 3 boss now
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>>737108079
>people
Does he know?
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>>737108079
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>>737108079
false advertisement
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>>737095297
alternatively if nonupeipe offers you diadem that's pretty good into door boy
and literally everything else but specifically door
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>>737108010
nu-doorman is like the epitome of how megacrit seems to want to balance the entire game
anti-infinite with draw restriction and energy increase, and anti-thin deck with the forced exhausts

i suppose it would help to go into the fight with a bunch of extra HP so you can just facetank the turns where he counters you and go ham on him when he's on a phase that doesn't
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What are some cards you underrated but now feel are a lot better after climbing?
I now consider one copy of Stampede to be a must-take on Ironclad.
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>>737108292

Sculpting Strike on Necro

Making anything you want Ethereal gives you an insane amount of control over following turns, let alone the obvious synergies.
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>>737108287
unlees you draw your damage on exhaust phase, or dont draw enough on non-draw, on need more than 2 cards to survive energy phase, then you just die
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Me and my zoomie bird son saying "frfr 67 just spam shivs nocap fr bro :skull:"
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>>737107286
>some cards aren't junk
Great glad to hear it. Still not nearly as good as when the end result of me using stoke was getting all of these cards gone and away, and having my hand filled with cards that I know are in my draw pile. If you could at least play the first card you made for free, or the cards were free the turn they were made like out of a potion, then it would be some actual value. But as it stands it's not that at all.
>It's called a lootbox
You're called an idiot.
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I feel like there was miscommunication about who to depict in Backflip art
This is NOT Silent, looks more like Ironclad with twin braids
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>>737108292
kek bur
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Thank you doom potion.
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>>737108292
meant to quote this >>737108453

but to answer the question, I feel like I've come around a lot on Deadly Poison and Snakebite, they're not "good" cards but they often solve Laga and Soul Fysh
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>>737108010
>>737108079
the playerbase of this game is so fucking retarded. the game is easier overall now but because doormaker forces you to think 2% more instead of play exactly the way you played all 20 other combats up to this point, and shitters can't comprehend how to play around exhaust and think exhausting a card is an instant loss, they start having a hissy fit and review bombing.
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>>737108489
I don't understand what's hard to grasp, you exhaust the bad cards and keep the good ones.
>free cards
Stoke is already an extremely high value card. Never give balancing advice again.
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>>737108654
I don't think those posters are A10. Doormaker is not harder than Test Rapist in the current game.
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>>737108404
sculping strike is a super fucking slow way to exhaust your deck down and you don't get any synergies for making a card ethereal and just exhausting it
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I wrote a F2 feedback about Silent feet. I hope they won't stop reading my feedbacks after that
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>>737108706
>you exhaust the bad cards
Yes, and replace them with more bad cards and some that might be decent and will still be full cost. You seem to think that every time you use stoke you'll just get bloodlettings and ashen strikes, but you'll probably get twin strikes, armas, blood walls, thunderclaps, sword boomerangs, iron waves, howls, stomps, all manner of things that you are not happy to have added to your deck for the combat.
>stoke is an extremely high value card
How valuable stoke is will depend heavily every single time you use stoke. I'm happy yo used it once and had it work out but it's a card of very inconsistent value. I don't want rares that are specifically designed to synergize with my build to be of inconsistent value. Getting a rare card reward that is made for your current build should be better than inconsistent.
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>>737108623
And then I died to the Knowledge Demon, damn it.
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>>737089853
I HATE GAMES WITH CARDS
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Host?
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>>737109776
many such cases
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>>737108654
I've beaten A10 with every character pre-patch without using infinites once and I think the new Doormaker is not that well designed. 2/3 of its phases will generally counter a majority of builds and it's far too dependent on getting decent draws so that whatever phase the boss is currently in doesn't prevent you playing your hand effectively.

>just play your bad cards on the exhaust turn lmao
>just play less cards on the energy turn lmao
>just don't do any draw on the no-draw turn lmao

And then you're dead.
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>>737110378
just wait for act 4
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>>737110378
doormaker is a lot less threatening than test subject hitting you for 11xn+1 for each turn p2 is going on
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>>737110378
Doormaker is more anti-fun than he his deadly.
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>>737109989
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242197550629/76561198076213196
let's go die to test subject .
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>>737110378
oh no the boss isn't just damage race #435!
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>>737109584
>You seem to think that every time you use stoke you'll just get bloodlettings and ashen strikes, but you'll probably get twin strikes, armas, blood walls, thunderclaps, sword boomerangs, iron waves, howls, stomps, all manner of things that you are not happy to have added to your deck for the combat.
That you will re exhaust with stoke or any of the stoke cards like cinder,true grit,second wind,fiend fire,brand. Even if you get bad rolls you will have enough block to cycle again and re-stoke. It's obvious you have very limited experience with the card.
>muh cost
Clad has a gorillion ways to generate energy or cheat attacks.
> Getting a rare card reward that is made for your current build should be better than inconsistent.
The card itself is the build. All you need is FnP and some draw.
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>>737110669
Said it didn't exist, maybe just me.
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>>737110779
>>737110669
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242197747541/76561198076213196
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>>737110821
2/4
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>>737110553
>>737110603
I'm onto you.
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>>737110821
3/4
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>>737110821
too late?
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There were THIS many shitters playing the main branch in this board?
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Reminder that A0 runs are where the comfy is at.

>Oh no, I can't draw any cards because of goatse
>Apply vulnerable
>Graveblast
>Banshee's Cry
>Graveblast
>Banshee's Cry
>Graveblast
>Banshee's Cry
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>>737110708
I have enough experience with reworked stoke to know that you're talking out of your ass and clapping your hands for the gutting of what was a really fun card into something that dumps a trashcan into your deck.
>well you can just get them again next cycle
The fucking point of an exhaust build is that your deck's second cycle is supposed to be a a whole lot better, not filled with a new flavor of dogshit, but you're clearly beyond reaching with any sort of reason so I'll leave you to pretend to understand anything about this game or the character.
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It's like the third time my reget run was saved by the redundancy of the deck copy event.
That being said I ate bad luck THREE fucking times because I had no way to get rid of it.
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>>737111210
>bro why don't you want to try the game when it's even more unbalanced?
Because I'm not a streamer playing intentionally more unbalanced test content for views so I'd rather let the devs test things out for a while first before patching things once they have time to root out the crap.
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>>737089853
>install regent mesugaki mod
>install foxy jump scare 1 in million mod
>resets all my progress
are all my previous unmodded runs gone? or can i get them back
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>>737108654
Doormaker was just a wall before with no real defining features but i would say now he's just a "fuck you" to anyone running a small efficient deck or relying on energy generation and card draw to combo shit together (which a lot of people might argue is why they're playing a deck building cardgame).
Now this would be fine but you dont know doorman is coming until act 3 at which point you suddenly need to bulk out your deck a little and conjure up a card that hits like a truck with minimal setup or have something that autoplays like powers Defect or Hellraiser Ironchad. So yeah on one hand you can absolutely play around him but he's definitely one of the more adapt or die bosses that really demands you follow his rules.
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>>737092798
Ironclad and Silent are the only ones where I have MORE losses than wins.

Necrobinder is a little pigeonholed but good. Osty eats up all your damage and either you buff him up and smack the shit out of everything or you let him die repeatedly doing revenge damage while you set up doom. Idk if there's anything they could do to make her more varied. She's entertaining in multiplayer when you're trying to make doom and poison reach each other.
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>>737110603
Idk dude im just tanking 40 damage on a lot of turns and hoping I dont die first because its kind of pointless to stall this guy.
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>>737111585
mods have a seperate save system for some reason, but there's a mod that unifies them.
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>heap trash
>it's almost always dual wield or lose HP
worst event?
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>>737112047
For me its Regent and the dude was fine before and seems really good now but I just seem to deadend myself on a lot of runs trying to do something cool.

Doorman has been killing my Silents recently but its always because Ill have taken too much damage on Experiment or Queen beforehand and Ill whiff on block one round and die thanks to no draw or energy leech mode.
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>>737112025
He still doesn't feel much like he has anything to do with his themeing. Feels like he should have three portals and two of them are hands that attack you and the third one changes between parts of his face for different effects. And maybe closing the face portal would cancel the next cycle so you could avoid things like the card-eating.
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>>737107335
>remove strikes
>clone uproar as much as humanly possible
>your 1 uproar casts 500 uproars for 5000 damage
>win
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>>737112318
The first round portal should be his ass and you just get to pound it before the fight actually starts.
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>>737112310
The thing I find fun about Regent is that it doesn't really punish taking a ton of cards. The worst thing that will happen is it takes a while to get back to big sword but you can have the minions fetch it for you so it's never a problem.
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>>737112391
I wish you got to pick any of the boss relics so I could just fuck around with clone every round
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>>737110603
>is more anti-fun
Doormaker's current iteration at its core is very evidently designed to shut down infinites (shuts down thin-deck cycling, shuts down draw cycling, shuts down energy cheating) than any thing else. Like the Lizard is a callback to the StS1 Elites and The Queen is a roided Collector but Doormaker entirely feels like he was designed to tell infinite decks to get fucked than for any other reason, which just collaterally hits every deck
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>>737112276
I like dual wield on Regent, but it's almost always Clash for me. So I take damage to the face and Dream Catcher instead :^)
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>>737112505
I wish I could kill Vakuu permanently
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>>737092798
she scales really poorly in higher ascensions. the worst of the 5.
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>>737112550
He shits on combos and infinites that require you to actually play cards meanwhile infinites/chains that just autoplay are basically immune.
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>>737112678
yes he punishes all the most common and easiest laziest ways to get infinite but not the top 1% of infinite decks that are rare to get that actually work on one of his phases
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>>737109047

Ah my bad, I must have missed the patchnotes that said you get 5 Energy per turn and Strikes are removed on Floor 1. All statuses must have also been removed as well?
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90 hours and I have never been offered Clone. I'm seething.
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>>737112903
ah yes, sculpting strike your status cards so that when you end your turn, they still play their effect before exhausting so you die to every soul fysh, phrog parasite, and mecha knight!
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>>737112935
same.
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>>737112505
Just replay a Clone seed lmao?
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hosting another one
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242203137471/76561198076213196
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I haven't fought new doorman yet but isn't it kind of cringe if 3/3 act 3 bosses have anti-fun mechanics instead of just 2/3?
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>>737113098
Queen is fine, just draft moar draw.
It's just door and dog.
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>i haven't played the game yet but im looking to get mad for no reason already. can anyone help me get mad?
god i fucking hate you retards
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I've replayed this fight 20 times, yeah I savescummed I don't care, Tear Asunder at the last turn with duplicate potion on 1 hp left was only way to win
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>>737089853
As has been said many times before, the difference between A8 and A9/A10 is vast
A8 is closer to A1 than it is to A9.
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>>737113660
Yeah, once I finish A10 on everyone I'm going back to A8 for casual runs. I have a day job, A9/10 has been exhausting.
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>>737113604
because I had very bad block turns(despite having Unmovable) against doorfaggot
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>>737112189
link?
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>>737112189
nta but I used that mod and it reset my progress so I just used the unlock all console command
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>mfw forgot to activate soldier stew for pommel infinite
Could've killed it during it's immortal phase, oh well.
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Lmao and some people here said Regent was bad in multiplayer.
GG.
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how the fuck do you guys always have 15+ relics
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>>737115914
i love hammer time in MP
>>737113094
ggs, conqueror's blade + flanking is broken
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>>737089853
>>737090990
>A8
>here's my opinions on the game
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>>737115997
>conqueror's blade + flanking is broken
desu flanking + literally any direct damage is broken
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Colorless regent is so much stronger than his other builds.
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>>737115996
Go for 2+ elites act 1 and snowball, every run. Yes, on A9/10.
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I suppose I can host
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242210004132/76561198035835677
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>>737116393
3/4
The spire needs (you)
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Hyperbeam is pretty good when you don't have orbs.
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>>737116126
How do you go about setting it up? I have only really played him as star spam and forge.
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>>737117715
This defect looks far more angrier than normal
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>>737117715
>Only time you want to pick Hyperbeam is when you aren't playing Defect
Legit advice.
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Is the trick to winning more runs to just pick a billion block cards starting act 2?
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>>737117889
Anon, the trick to winning is the exact opposite of that. Skip is actually overpowered.
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>>737117889
No because you also need to deal damage, unless you deal damage by blocking.
Hello, Regent.
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>>737112935
I got Clone three time and lost all of them.
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>>737117715
can you explain the 60 str?
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>>737118209
not him but dominate
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>>737118209
Probably dominate with vuln stacking on first or second form
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>>737118209
>>737118306
>>737118362
I got the beast up to 20 something vuln in first phase and used two dominates. I had to put him down before he hit me or I could've gotten up to 90 with history course.
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>>737117889
The trick to winning runs is to pick cards that make your deck more powerful and avoid cards that don't
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>>737117715
based vicious chad. It's the new dark embrace.
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>>737108204
I actually left a negative review because Silent's wearing bandages on her feet.
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>>737116393
GG spire sisters
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Oh Eradicate, you'll never let me down.
GG.
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he shrunk the doorman LMAO
gg
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puzzle time
do i win or do I die?
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>>737119396
Write F2 suggestion too, maybe if enough people voice their dissatisfaction they will listen. They did cave to chinks
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can fuzzy warm crawler stop spitting on me? haha that rascal
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>>737120090
Your rez at 30% from second segment's hit and the third doesn't finish you, then they all turn to dust
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>>737120090
You have fairy
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>>737120023
That's one tight asshole.
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>>737120090
You win. But Decimilipede genuinely does need a nerf
I'm adamant about act 1 elites being fine, but he alone makes act 2 elites a swerve
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is there a better feeling?
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>>737120315
Having cocoa instead of bloodletting and losing 3 less hp
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>>737120090
oh fuck off
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>>737091262
Are you fucking retarded?
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>>737091262
>gay fucking phobia
ironically, that is literally a phobia. there are people who are actually scared of gay people and its called homophobia.
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i Still don't get the appeal of slay the spire, it feels like I'm constantly being forbidden from building up to a certain deck and you can't really get rid of most of your shitty basic cards so you're stuck with an underwhelming mix of everything just trying to figure out which card if the game-breaking one
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>>737120951
That's not a spoiler.
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>>737120292
I hate human centipede so much.
It all depends on how good my 1st turn is, with a good character I can end this fight on turn 1 or 2. On mediocre run I die.
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>>737120292
decimillipede is one of the easiest elites. you are taking plenty of AoE damage right anon?
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>>737120315
complete free win, neow giving ice cream at fucking floor 1 was just too good. doesn't matter that I was basically offered 0 block the entire game
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>>737121168
>8hp
>completely free
Cocky bastard.
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How do I make Regent A10 runs more consistent? I just got my first win and I feel like I just got lucky af.
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>>737121168
that's why i love large capsule. twice as much chance at a run defining relic. Usually 1 of the 2 will give you a pretty focused direction for act 1. Extra strike and defend is even a bit of a positive early against early enemies with statuses
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>>737121249
i still don't know how to fight nu-door, that was my first try at him
i lost like 50hp on door and 15 on test
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>>737121263
>Last relic
That's cruel.
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>>737121263
a good mix of stars + energy cards
any of his block powers
convergence

oh and always take at least 1 of the weak + vuln 0 costs theyre giga broken
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>>737120665
Are you scared of a little larva, you little sissy faggot?
BOO
Try not to piss your panties
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>>737121263
Any tips based on my run? Felt like a struggle, but I guess thats what A10 just feels like all the time?
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>>737121515
AAAAAAIEEEEEEEEEEEE
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I hate China so much, it's unreal.
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>>737121875
I don't. I like all the cheap products they make with the help of slave labor.
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>>737108287
Unless your playing Silent, then every phase counters you lol
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Did they nerf all the act1 encounters yet?
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>>737111221
I prefer A1 for the extra elites for more relics.
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>>737094032
I like it when my build is mostly complete anyway. Then it has no downside.
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>>737122136
>all
No, only some of them.
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>Click Amid
>Win
it's that shrimple
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If you roll the gacha on Neow's Bones, your win does NOT count.
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>>737122404
But what if I roll the gacha in neow's bones AND during gameplay?
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Just one more run bro.. I swear this time you will get the perfect deck you dreamed up this whole day while wageslaving. Yes this one last run will be THE run. One more run bro..
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>>737103997
It's a win more relic. I haven't gotten much use out of it because by the time you take no damage you don't even care about upgrade card rewards. It's a really hard sell for a shop relic.
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someone host
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>>737122481
if you aren't having fun, you can play something else dude
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>>737122481
Just stop wageslaving, ez.
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>Here's 40 damage per turn & if you do anything you get screwed

How do I not brick to the new gatekeeper?
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>>737122481
Just play draft/sealed mode its way more balanced towards fun
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>>737122617
No. I have to play the max difficulty mode and then complain it's too hard until the devs nerf stuff.
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>Deck too big
>Can't draw any frantic escape
bwehhhh
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>>737122954
Asc 10 w/out the architect is going to be ultra-easy mode soon enough anyway
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>>737123112
funny that you think act 4 will be released soon. It will take them at least 2-3 years at the rate they are updating.
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They are going to buff act 3 and Ironclad is going to drop to 10% winrate again
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Faggots complaining about Necro being weak on high ascensions are just braindead retards who follow online tier lists telling you to just grab every single block card and ignore damage. Necro is dealing retarded damage right now with all the changes to her card pool using simply uncommon and common cards. Clad is definitely still the weakest despite having a gay healing card, but no particular character feels markedly weaker than the rest atm.
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>>737123210
The only reason ironclad has a lower winrate is because he's the first character and people try to play him like sts1 (aka being retarded). If they just gave him a redesign his win rate would be better than most.
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>>737120664
that shit was almost mathematically impossible
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>>737123423
>Clad is definitely still the weakest
Only if you're a retard trying to play him like STS1.
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>>737123423
bury is still not that good lol. necro still wins 99% of the time by just blocking
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they are going to hotfix nerf doorman, right?
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>>737123612
you're just bad retard
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>have assassinate, backstab, and suppress
>double deck for memes
>only check bosses after setting myself up for 6 innate damage cards against the doornigger
close call, thank for for the defect event giving me buffer
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>>737123612
this is the nerfed version
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>>737123464
He has lower winrate on a10, people don’t play him like in sts on a10
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>>737123747
There's not enough data for any of that to be meaningful yet. His lower win rate is just retards trying to play him like STS1.
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>>737122954
Anon, devs aren't reading this thread.
Go complain on $team forum, idk.
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>>737123850
I don't know how to speak Chinese
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>>737120951
The fun is in taking disparate cards and relics and crafting a strategy out of them. People who try and force decks get raped in Act 2 50 times in a row and then shit slam the ascension only when they get lucky.
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idk what the point of jorbs making ten billion line spreadsheets of stats of his own gameplay is when his winrate is 50% and a lot of casuals are hitting that and anyone good is hitting 10+ streaks
he copes by saying hes trolling for fun or experimenting but then he includes those runs in the data anyways
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>>737123817
I want the sts1 playstyle to be viable here
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>>737123941
Maybe it's finally time to learn :^)
Nah, this language sounds like shit I would rather hear German or Dutch.
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reeee why is the lizard so hard to kill?
I felt really good about this deck, but I still took a lot of damage.
Finally a win after a long streak of losses.
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>>737124202
I am always hard with other men. When another man is hard with me, I make him soft and remain hard myself, proving myself stronger and more intelligent.
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>>737122615
If your deck is already broken, you just need to be picky about not playing your win condition cards during his exhaust turn. If you think your deck is going to struggle with him, consider taking Fiddle/Snecko Eye/Diamond Diadem to increase natural draw and make it easier to pass while playing few cards.
Card draw is kind of worthless because you're either exhausting it, it's disabled, or you're spending extra energy to play it. Aim for draw and energy manip during no draw turn. Retain is best, but you can put cards directly into your hand with shit like Hologram. You should also be trying to thin your deck down to the handful of cards you need to beat him while still keeping enough block to keep you alive.

>>737123612
They've kept him this way for three weeks, despite the backlash. They've toned down his numbers a little, but it seems like they're mostly satisfied with where it's at, considering this was the version they pushed to live. I kind of hate it because it just shits on certain decks and creates overreliance on certain cards at A10. There's counterplay, but I don't think that this version of the boss is healthy for the game, because the counterplay is basically just incentivizing you to take the few easy doorman solve cards in every single deck.
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>>737123817
Tell me which character has lower winrate. Btw, silent piloted right has 100% winrate on a10, defect probably close to that too
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>>737124202
sexless pseud wrote this
>>737124329
are they soft because you made them cum already?
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>dont get to play with old blade of ink, dirge, or pre-rework doormaker anymore

Sad. A lot of the changes I think are good, but Im really gonna miss those. I didnt get a blade of ink + spike trap combo once.
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>>737124384
>old blade of ink,
Good, that stinky dog shit had no right clogging up the rare pool
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>>737124340
>it just shits on certain decks
What does he not punish? What are the easy solve cards?
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>>737124353
You suck with ironclad. Sorry you are bad at the game. There's no one with 100% win rate on defect or silent at a10 btw so you are just full of shit.
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>>737124384
i got a blade of ink ricochet win in before they changed it
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>>737124539
> What does he not punish?
Exhaust Clad
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>>737124375
He's gay for cumming. I'm straight for not cumming.
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>>737124639
Good to hear, I have a 100% win rate on clad!
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>>737124607
> There's no one with 100% win rate on defect or silent at a10 btw so you are just full of shit.
There’s none with 100% winrate because people experiment with shit, top players with intention of winning will never lose a run with Silent. Also you keep saying I’m bad with clad but you can’t say if any other character is as bad as him
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>>737124607
isn't there a guy with a 20 or 30 streak with silent at the moment?
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>>737124539
Easy solves are any exhaust synergy, retain, or stuff that pulls from your discard pile like Dredge.
He doesn't punish massive decks nearly as hard, and any form of passive block like Crimson Mantle or carry-over block like Blur makes the fight way easier so you can better attack in the rare case that you're set up when you draw something you actually want to play on the right turn.
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>slow deck? TOO FUCKING BAD! OPEN WIDE!

FFS
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>>737124836
Based God-gamer.
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>>737121515
No, retard, I am not. It however doesn't mean that people who find a corpse animated by worms unsettling are "making it up".
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>>737124524
>That thing that gave you 6000 strength in shiv decks was bad actually

Anon has no soul.
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>>737125021
I hate that every enemy seems to selfbuff with strength while also attacking and debuffing you at the same time, really punishes any deck that doesn't OTK
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I don't understand how to win with Regent. His energy based cards are great but cost so much, his powers seem to boil down to "create more shit to pollute your deck"
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99% of complaints about this game are just
>i hate anything i can lose to
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>>737125021
I love how this game punishes you for trying to avoid chip damage.
NO! Finish each fight as soon as possible unless you have some retarded infinite.
I hate relying on Doom without End of Days.
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>>737125237
Yes, I just want to play cards without thinking.
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>>737125072
It's good to be unsettled, you're a baby when you get unsettled to the point of getting freaked out when you're looking at the slay the spire art style.
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>>737125368
That's not the point, wannabe tough guy. You said that people are "making up" phobias, they don't. The definition itself says that it's an irrational fear. You're a retard.
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>>737125623
You're scared of little cartoon worms in a video game you pathetic bitch you have no business calling anyone retarded
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>>737091262
What do the curse cards put into your deck, spaghetti?
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>>737125623
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>737125107
in a shiv deck you'll do more damage with the extra inky shivs 9 times out of 10.
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>>737126027
>>737126214
>zero (0) reading comprehension
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>>737121875
I’m going to be so upset if StS2 ends up being way too easy because China wants it to be a baby game for some fucking reason
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VIOLENT FERAL BABY MAKING LEG LOCKING SCREAMING FERAL SWEATY FERAL SCREAMING FERAL VIOLENT MATING PRESS BREEDING SEX WITH MESUGAKI REGENT
That is all, thank you.
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>>737126512
Me too
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>>737125237
internet is dumber and browner than ever.
>>737125326
play a0
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me as mesugaki regent
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>cruising through the game, not even taking damage to elites
>boss is three headed cunt
>lol no draw or block cards on the intangible turns XDDD hope you like eating 50 to the face!
>die
fuck this game. absolute bullshit.
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>>737126574
>play a0
My autism won't let me.
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>>737126482
>keep the game as is
>add new character
>it's Wukong
>he's OP and they keep him OP
problem solved
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it's up

https://youtu.be/Gl5xNAkAFXU
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>>737126790
Ah, watcher strategy
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>>737126614
me as fuzzy wurm crawler spitting on you as mesugaki regent
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>>737126220
Nah, nowhere near as much or as fun desu
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Exhaust Clad is not that bad honestly. I did get really lucky with the Second Wind+Ashen Strike combo.
I fucking smoked the Queen with two attacks.
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>>737126746
Getting multi-turn weak or -strength along with retain feels great.
You can also pray for the Pyramid if you aren't playing some anti-synergy deck.status defect or regent with too many star spenders for example
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>>737125021
save scummed the fuck of it because fuck you game
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Okay, when are they adding Clad attack that hits for 4+ times that’s not tied to self damage
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>>737127094
>still ends with 7 hp
you've got like 2 floors left in you lmao
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>>737127094
you're just gonna die to test subject
take your loss and build a better deck or save potions next time
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>>737127157
bro your whirlwind?
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>>737127231
1 attack per energy
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>>737127327
and? 4+ energy is ez on clad
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>>737127157
Is sword boomerang not enough for you?
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>>737127471
Sword bumerang is worse than basic attack
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>>737124862
>if X is played right it has 100% win rate
>it's just nobody feels like doing that
kek your logic is dumb as fuck. Ironclad piloted right has 100% win rate too then.
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>>737127541
The King of A0 has offered his wisdom.
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man, this game is just too much rng. each time i try to scale i just get buttfucked and fail either thr second or third boss.
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>>737126790
The issue with China is they always want to win, so they want the highest difficulty to be easy with all characters. Adding an easy mode isn’t going to appease them.
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>>737127663
Sounds like they want to play on easy mode then, not hard mode. Hard mode means you don't always win. Are they just retarded?
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>>737127541
>does more damage at base
>scales more with enchants
>scales more with strength
>scales more with miniature cannon (my beloved)
The fuck are you on about
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>>737127650
What compels posts like this? a10 sts2 is a difficult game, only the best are going to win consistently. That's by design. What compels people who play objectively worse than other people to blame the game? I'm obviously not asking the retard I'm replying to - does anyone else understand t his?
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How do I stop sucking at sts2
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>>737127803
Spreading damage in multiple enemy combat is actively worse than simple 6 damage to chosen enemy, also turns you around in Crab fight
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Why did my run die? Felt like I was dealing a lot of damage and then I suddenly wasn't doing any.
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>game transforms one of my cards into skewer
>gives me chem x in the first shop when I cant afford It

this blows.
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>>737127826
Losing at a purely puzzle based intellectual game means they have to admit they are stupid so they cope with excuses like blaming RNG or the game design.
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>>737128518
> purely puzzle based intellectual game
Sts 2 is not deterministic therefore not a puzzle based game
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>>737128290
picked too many commons
you don't need to pick a card at every floor
3 defy, 2 deaths door, reaper form would stomp knowledge demon if you could find a turn to play reaper form without imploding
2x afterlife, 2x spur, 2x defile jump out to me immediately as suspicious number of mid cards.
end of days+ and enough fresnel lens blocks+weak to keep osty healthy will make you stomp hallways and aoe elites but if you can't get your reaper form down in the boss you will do nothing to him.
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>nobody replied to his retarded bait post so he has to samefag
sad
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>>737128626
Sounds like you are coping about your low winrate and intellect.
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>>737128626
do you think that people with higher winrates than you are simply luckier?
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>>737127171
>>737127195
this run was fucking bullshit
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>>737128846
eyy, two floors, I called it
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>>737128634
I'll defend the defiles since they were added before reaper form, and usually exhausted out of my deck, but yeah, afterlife and spur were mistakes, and made my death's door worse since I couldn't get the doom down. Big problem I had was that all my damage was coming from Eradicate, which I couldn't play while blocking at the same time, especially without invoke.
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>>737128662
>>737128714
Just because there is skill involved doesn’t make it “purely puzzle based”, there’s constant Rng involved that can completely fuck you over
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>>737129030
do you think that people with higher winrates than you are simply luckier?
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>>737108010
Have more than 20 cards. Play powers or one off filler cards on the exhaust turn. Accept that it's ok to not use all energy on those exhaust turns if it means burning a good card you wanna keep reusing. Have some passive block generation for the other two. Some hefty 3-4 cost block/attack and some zero cost cards to follow up still work in the energy sap turn.

Also, card generating cards are pretty fucking swole. Jackpot or Splash are decent anyway but worth GOLD for this fight.
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i'm hoooooooooooooooosting
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242230383633/76561197998025205
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>>737129103
Do you moron understand what purely puzzle game means?
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>>737129181
I'm not the anon who called it that. Now, do you think that people with higher winrates than you are simply luckier?
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>>737129146
2/4 a1 come get your ascension up
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been beating my head against the a9 wall all day
i have to be doing something wrong
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>>737129228
No but there’s Rng involved so it’s not a purely puzzle game
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>>737129496
Okay, so people who win more than you are better than you. What winrate is required for the game to be sufficiently non-rng?
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>>737107578
Don't fight Act 2 elites early unless you already have something crazy going or good potions to help
Don't fight normal fights past the first 2 floors in act 2 either if you can help it
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>>737128120
>also turns you around in Crab fight
Just block harder or don't play it last
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>>737129526
if the best player in the world doesn't have 100% winrate then RNG is the only real deciding factor
>b-but
cope
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If silent is so damn good then why can't I win a single fucking run with her holy shit I can't get past act 2 why is this happening
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>>737129526
> What winrate
What? How stupid retard can you be, you can’t control what enemies, cards, shops, events and bosses will be offered to you, that’s RNG, puzzles do not have RNG. Do you understand that idea?
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>>737089853
How the exact fuck is Iron the weakest? Retards????
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>>737129756
Are you saying you want all RNG removed from the game? If not, there will always be a chance to lose. So, what win rate does a person have to achieve to prove that the game is not "too" rng? Or do you have no actual metric, and you're just frustrated and want it to be easier?
>puzzles
Not a word I ever used as I already clarified you dumb nigger. Answer my question.
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>>737129737
I couldn't win a single run the other day with any character either, it happens
Silent I was really fucking struggling to find any kind of damage
I really hate the changes to Follow Through too, RIP
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is this true?
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>>737129891
> Losing at a purely puzzle based intellectual game
Shut the fuck up, I’m not going answer any of your retarded questions
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>>737129756
>the puzzle pieces are all jumbled up now it's no longer a puzzle
kek
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>>737129737
This but at A0, I probably would have won with my Accelerant+ Poison deck if Test Subject didn't cleanse himself every phase but I took about 40 damage when he turned into Book of Stabbing and then died T1 of phase 3
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>>737129874
All other characters are stronger
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Why are some schizos constantly throwing a tanturm at the idea of one character being the weakest?
Someone has to be the weakest. It's a tautological fact.
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>>737129891
he's a booboo babybrain who thinks 'puzzles' can only be fully deterministic. optimization problems don't count (if your mental age is seven and a half)
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>>737129993
Someone is mad that they are losing at a game that tests their intelligence. It's ok anon you can go back to your crayons.
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I'm getting good at this game
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>>737129956
they want the achievement of beating hard more but lack the ability.
>>737129993
As I said before, that wasn't me, retard. Play at a lower ascension if you want an easier game you fucking monkey.
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>>737130092
it's just one schizo insisting that ironclad is the weakest because he's shit at the game
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>>737130117
-ack
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>>737129993
>>737130143
And another. The person calling it a puzzle was replying to me. I've already clarified this. Your tenuous grasp of English prohibits you from understanding this conversation and your above-average-in-your-country IQ prohibits you from being good at video games.
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>>737130195
each run is a different puzzle. If you make the same moves on the same seed you'll get the same result, no rng involved. You simply don't know what awaits you. No aspect of the game is rng, there's just fog of war.
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>>737130139
>0 damage against doormaker and test subject
Amazing. What was the main source of damage for your build? I don't see body slam. I always struggle with running out of cards against doormaker if my damage is too slow to ramp up.
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>draw nothing but block cards when the test subject is damagable
>draw nothing but attack cards when the test subject is intangible
I fucking hate this faggot so much also I want to FUCK the regent
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I hate the niggers complaining about the game being too hard as much as I hate the niggers complaining about it being too easy
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>>737130326
If you make the most statistically best choices when decision is presented you can still lose
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>>737130421
bro your draw? build a good deck next time
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>>737130092
its like this in every game. most people are not capable of thinking and talking about how to actually play the game and they hyperfocus on how relatively strong or weak their character is as the main factor in their results and spend all day spewing useless garbage about which characters need buffs or nerfs.
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I hate these fucking layouts
>ermm just do 28340 combats without a rest site and no events (they will be fights btw)
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>>737130492
how much easier would you like it to be?
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>>737130493
RNG is a cruel mistress, anon.
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>>737130551
Not going to change the definition of words
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Regent > Defect > Ironclad > Silent > Necrobinder
My OBJECTIVELY correct tier list on how good I am with each character
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>>737130195
wtf is that source. Did you seriously just ask AI to agree with you lol
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>>737130661
brown people do that all the time
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>>737130195
kek by this definition a jigsaw puzzle isn't a puzzle if you randomize the pile of pieces.
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>>737130389
I took 2 or 3 damage from Test Subject before I got my Barricade going, from DoorMaker I got Barricade on my turn 1 and Gambit on the next turn. My damage came from high vulnerable stack + dominate,Tear Asunder and Ashen Strike
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>>737130548
yeah the map you get is honestly the most RNG part of the game. There is 0 reason to take hard hallway fights it's bullshit when you get no option for a path to avoid them. They give worse rewards and often lose you more HP than elites.
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>>737130738
If all pieces were turned upside down and once you picked a piece you had to put it in correct position, if you put a single piece wrong you automatically lose. Yes in that case jigsaw puzzle wouldn’t be a puzzle
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>>737130848
Thanks for the explanation. I love vuln build already but I guess I've been underrating dominate.
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>>737130943
But that's not how it is. Every game of sts2 still has all the pieces you need to complete the puzzle. If you replay the seed you'll see they are all winnable
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>>737130943
>one bad move means I lose my run!
why are brown "people" such histrionic faggots?
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>>737131026
Didn't people find unwinnable seeds in the first game
I doubt they're all winnable at A10 right now in 2 either since shit is still getting tweaked so much
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I'm only at A4 on 1 character.
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>>737131115
>Didn't people find unwinnable seeds in the first game
by using specialized programs to hunt through an impossibly high amount of seeds. In reality all games are winnable. You won't just accidentally find an unwinnable seed anymore than you'll win the lottery while getting struck by lightning.
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>>737131026
But it is? You make decision based on limited information you have, you can’t backtrack or change previous choice. Every choice you make in sts2 is based on probability, not like puzzle that you know what actions can be taken 12 steps into the future
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>>737131115
They found one.
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>>737131026
>If you replay the seed you'll see they are all winnable
proof? STS1 had an unwinnable seed found by matchads.
Also at the end of STS's lifetime, tryhard streamers had a tournament where for each character, they played very tough seeds that killed other players' streaks in the past. Only one person won, so in practice it's really not that easy to find that win con for some seeds
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>>737131170
fun status?
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>>737130963
dominate was giving me from 9 to 10 strength after I used tremble + molten fist, bash is bad to use with just 3 energy. I always try to grab 1 Ashen Strike for Doormaker. Tear Asunder damage gets high because of cards like Blood Letting and Breakthrough
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I am so happy about this build that it makes me want to restart it from the beginning of act 3 or even act 2, but one can't stay stuck in the past.

And beside, it was mostly due to being a custom run where I could pick the first 10 cards from a pool of 30.
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Fuck you
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>Trying status Defect for 1st time.
>Got my fav card from event.
It actually works well, turbo was useful.
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>>737131496
there are also quintillions of possible seeds so finding a few is not much. the vast majority are winnable most likely if you make the correct choices.
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>>737131763
Yeah just let me break out my crystal ball to tell me that picking up this Pillage in Act 1 will brick my draw on turn 3 of Doormaker
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>he does ascensions
why?
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Doormaker should have a chill turn.
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>>737131763
> if you make the correct choices.
Correct choices in hindsight, there are more seeds that you will lose by doing “best” choices that turns out not to be best
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>>737131870
The exhaust turn is his chill turn
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>>737131869
i find the challenge to be enjoyable even though i mostly lose. if you don't and choose not to, i respect that
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>obtain Adrenaline, Perfected Strike, Crescent Spear, Flash of Steel, or Big Bang
>guarantee that Clone doesn't show up
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>>737131496
Yeah makes sense to me. Even if a seed is "winnable", the winning formula can be a very weird string of decisions that you wouldn't pull off normally (just because of how RNG sets things up later ahead).
If competitive StS involves playing the same seed over and over until you find the winning sequence in the least amount of time, then I can see it being likened with some algorithmic puzzle solving, but if you play normally with randomized seed each time I'd say it's closer to Poker or Mahjong than a Puzzle in game feel. Skill matters up to a degree but you're still gambling.
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>>737131651
I'm having a lot of fun
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>>737131828
>>737131910
it doesn't have to be hindsight. something as simple as killing an enemy faster can save you a large amount of health because of bad draws which can lead you to getting an upgrade at a fire or killing an extra elite. you can try to make it all about "knowing the future" to win, but most of the time people lose because of poor play.
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>>737132079
>Clone Cascade+
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>>737129146
That stardust build was fun. Clicking Sneko eye was a mistake though.
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>>737131667
Just stop thinking click big number go unga, jesus take the wheel
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>>737132324
Ironchud says IMMA FARIN MAH LAZOR
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>>737122481
>time to play Mario Galaxy/Ghost of Tsushima/RE2 OG like I've planned for the weekend
>I'll just quickly catch up on manga, read 4chan a bit
>maybe play a round of StS on the side
>FUCK IT'S 4AM

Story of my life the last two weeks.
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>>737132316
i was about to click snecko also but sealed throne was offered, i think either would've been good
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>patch drops
>devs don't even write patch notes on what was changed
hoeh?
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>>737129443
Take act 1 elites, just trust me. 2 every run. It's how I got over A9 and learned to love resting at campfires.
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>>737132539
are you stupid or just retarded
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>>737132539
It's just all the beta changes from this month being moved into the main update
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>>737132493
If I was offered sealed throne I would have picked it. I thought Sneko would make my deck more consistent but I should've picked bird cage. Sneko would've been right if I wasn't trying to do my turns quickly.
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>>737132103
It's much more skill based than poker or mahjong.
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>>737132625
you don't have to be rude
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>>737132784
Excuse me anon. Are you perhaps lacking in intellect or impaired with a mental disability?
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>>737132886
Evidently I am
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>>737132734
You will never win mahjong against Chinese grandma
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>>737132443
Holy rape
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>>737133081
She's just luckier.
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>>737131869
game's too easy at the base level
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>>737132443
Sea glass is so fun. I recently did a run with defect where I took supermassive, and got it big with all the dazes from boost away.
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>>737133095
I forgor about the lizard tail. What a complete fucking mess, I trampled over the entire game. Turns out mittens are good if you have dark embrace + 2 feel no pain + your deck is 40 cards with a lot of random bullshit go.
I only win with this character when I limit my IQ to single digits. Perhaps that's the secret.
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>>737133336
I take cross-class relics/events whenever I can cause like 1 in 10 times you get something really retarded out of it
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>>737133405
Complete and utter anihilation
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>>737133429
same
most of the time it's garbage but that 10% chance of getting something bonkers is always worth the price of admission
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>>737133429
Sea glass shows you a lot of cards at once, which is always powerful because you can take the ones that work well together all at once. It's why prayer wheel and Orrery are so good.
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>>737132539
Yeah, as the other anons said, it’s just moving the beta changes to the main branch, but it’s still kinda annoying they didn’t list every change they made, meaning we have to go to all the previous announcements to see what they changed
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I'm done counting beans, someone host.
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>>737133405
You would have to be a retard to not see how good stuff like mittens and drum of battle is with big deck ironclad.
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Managed to break my losing streak during my work breaks. Thank god for bulk up and Pael
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>>737133942
>stuff like mittens and drum of battle
mittens provide strength, what drums provide?
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>>737134104
You should probably use the skip button more.
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>>737133942
by the time you see mittens you don't have a big deck
it's more like seeing mittens, saying "fuck it, we ball" and start clicking on literally every single fucking thing that says "exhaust" or has a big number like the skip button doesn't work
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steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775242239246807/76561198355441778
Hopefully this works. Join.
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>Drums no longer draw cards
>now when drums exhaust a card it also plays it, like Havoc
here, drums are no longer shit
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>>737134271
consistent exhaust in a big deck that triggers feel no pain, makes sure evil eye is always double effect, builds up ashen strike, gives you an extra draw every turn from dark embrace. Same thing mittens does except without half an unupgraded demon form. It's also good draw on the turn it's played and can trigger relics like mummified/game piece. I wouldn't run more than a single copy usually though and only in a big deck with redundancies because it will sometimes exhaust something important.
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>>737134572
>0 cost mayhem with exhaust synergy
Way too overpowered. It's already a good card as is.
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>>737134572
>Throw Havoc and Mayhem together
>Call it a new card
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>>737134949
I would rather fuck Vakuu.
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This card must be crazy good if you're playing...
I don't fucking know multiplayer or something
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>>737134464
This the first time I didn’t and won so no, besides doormaker exist
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>>737134853
>exhausts your evil eye
>exhausts your ashen strike
>exhausts your dark embrace
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>>737134484
>saying "fuck it, we ball" and start clicking on literally every single fucking thing
this is how you are intended to play sts2 now. small deck twinks get destroyed by doormaker.
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>>737134949
SEXO
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>>737135060
>card is good in multiplayer
Irrelevant.
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>>737135095
>One in a billion chance
>*Ding* *Ding* *Ding*
... Fuck
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>>737134949
Stop liking evil women who poisoned our Architect with blight.
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>>737135095
It's never going to exhaust every single important card. You are making up scenarios because you are scared of building around redundancies and try to go for minimized small deck bullshit. If the fight if over in less than 5-10 turns and you have a 40 card deck drum is at worst going to exhaust 1/4 of your deck. Is 3/4 of your deck seriously shitty useless cards?
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>>737134949
Wouldn't it be funny if you could give up when you get to her room, and stay there forever? And like, she'd make you one of her servants, and you'd do eachother's makeup and jewellery,, and cheer on the better adventurers who pass through. I think that would be hilarious.
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>>737099120
I can tell if I will win with Necro solely based on how early I pick up Defy
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>>737135060
15 is bad damage for 2 energy cost if you don't have debuffs, but when you've got debuffs on the enemy, you don't need ~30-35 damage because your scaling damage should be much more than that.
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Drum of battle+headbutt won me a recent run by letting me easily exhaust enthralled after the first time I played it.
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>>737135280
ive noticed this a lot trying to study navegreed runs to figure out why i lose. early gigablocks that let him path into big osty immediately or crazy block pulls like paels legion or unmovable from clad's cardpool lead to very easy wins. the damage output of act 3 enemies actually can kill you if you don't get god relics or endless weak and you have to find some other way to solve block while doing enough damage to end fights before you're outscaled.
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>>737135280
I hope Defy will become uncommon.
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>>737135112
Not necessarily, I've clapped the doormaker with plenty decks with less than 30 cards and no generation of sorts
Yes it's all A10
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>>737135631
But can you do it consistently like a big deck can
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Rare black blood run.
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>>737135060
This is fine if you get it from a potion or something on Necro because you have access to Weaken, Vuln, Doom, that status that doubles effectiveness of Weak/Vuln, and probably something else I'm forgetting.

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