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what lowered the standards of gamers?
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gaming standards in 2006: another cookie cutter shooter? over 'ere
Im glad metroidvanias is the new slop genre
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>>737114074
vidya was never seen as art, it was a children’s toy made by and for autists
Only redditors act like vidya is high art now to make it more socially acceptable
In fact, this same phenomenon can be observed in anime and cartoons when they too are arguably more infantilized and devoid of substance and artistic merit compared to 20 years ago.
The sooner we realize this the sooner we can get back to having fun media again instead of the fart-huffing overly cinematic exploration into intergenerational trauma with generic hanz zimmer soundtracks
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>>737114845
>he doesnt know
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stop shilling your tranny comics
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nigga what 2006 was the peak era of brown-n-bloom shooters
just because you played shadow of the colossus 20 years after the fact doesn't mean that 2006 was some holy bastion of fine art, video games were a commodity then just as they are now. if anything even moreso, indies barely existed as you know them today. unless you were a turboweeb torrenting comiket doujin uploads, your most likely equivalent to an "indie" game was probably just whatever random flash games you found on newgrounds and I assure you none of those were trying to push the medium forward. most of them just wanted you to shoot Bush or Bin Laden in the face while titties flew around the screen.
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>gamers
That's your problem right there. Modern games aren't being made for the same people who have been playing video games their whole lives. They are being made to appeal to as wide of an audience as possible much like any Disney content made in the last 15 years. Did you ever know those "gamers" in school who only ever owned CoD or just owned a console to play their annual sports game? Yeah, the industry decided to take that approach but with every possible genre and demographic they could think of in order to lock in the guaranteed cash. It's why GAAS is so big right now.
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Social media conditioning. Social media overlaps with marketing and FOTM. It's a threefold problem.
1) Social media is coopted by companies and marketeers to sell the product. An entire generation is growing up on "communities" (read: subreddits and discord) for games thinking they're in good company with authentic people and genuine interactions when from the top down the mods are in communication with marketing department staff and essentially function as unofficial partners cultivating an online space whose sole purpose is to hype and gush and sell the product while censoring criticism.
2) The consumers themselves are conditioned into this mindset and essentially transformed into free unpaid marketing agents for a product because they grow up thinking social media managers are their friends and don't know any different. They can't tell the difference between socialising around a shared interest and selling a product. Games companies essentially have tens of thousands of marketing slaves at their disposal hyping their products for them.
3) FOTM is a genuine psychological phenomenon that is amplified by social media. Whereas before it was just you and your real life friends or a couple poindexters on a vbulletin board to "compete" with, the modern structure of social media creates the impression that millions of people are HAVING A BLAST and you're not a part of it unless you're doing your fair share of free marketing work and double and triple thinking yourself into believing that the slop you got served is in fact GOATed.
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>>737116072
I'll get to you someday, I promise. I started with the Greeks and I finally reached Pynchon, maybe I'll pick you up next year.
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wat? It's the exact opposite. Standards in 2006 were rock bottom. Shovelware regularly topped the charts on release. The indie boom happened in the 2010s along with the rise of digital distribution which changed everything. There was no "$15 for indies", there were barely any fucking indies. The equivalent was $30 games on handhelds. Also everyone rented games back then so there was even less investment in quality. Shitty game? No big deal, you're giving it back soon anyway
>no extra bullshit
Oblivion horse armor premiered in 2006.
Ironically this meme is like it was written by alphie because it's a LARP and she has no idea what the world was like 20 years ago.
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Pope is just as valid as the original Greek, sweaty
Achilles' wrath, to Greece the direful spring
Of woes unnumber'd, heavenly goddess, sing!
That wrath which hurl'd to Pluto's gloomy reign
The souls of mighty chiefs untimely slain;
Whose limbs unburied on the naked shore,
Devouring dogs and hungry vultures tore.
Since great Achilles and Atrides strove,
Such was the sovereign doom, and such the will of Jove!
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>>737116206
Secondaries were always a problem. Difference is back then the charts were topped by secondary games but there were quality games buried beneath it. Now everything from top to bottom is made for secondaries because enough good games have already been made and the people who care about quality will just play those
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i hate seeing this dumbfuck argument. the fact of the matter is that if you feel endlessly wretched to the point of wanting to take your own life, no amount of rationality or spiritualism will save you. i hate to appeal to materialism here, but the guy killed himself not because of any failure of a belief system, but simply because his brain (and his medication) failed to regulate the neurotransmitters necessary for regular life. dismissing his arguments because of that is like saying Kant was a worthless thinker because he was often ill - these sicknesses are just the whims of nature
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no I mean I genuinely couldn’t tell if that anon was being serious or if he was glazing E33 as a meme
We live in a time where everything wants to be treated as art or more than what it is and yet sincerity is dead. It truly is the worst of both worlds
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>>737116845
His illness indicates that he did not take are of his body, he did not exercise and spend time outdoors. THAT makes his opinions (I won't even call them arguments) worthless.
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post more alphie
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>>737117103
yeah man all ills can be cured through exercise
keats? would never have died of consumption if he had benched 2pl8
dostoevsky? squats would have cured his epilepsy and gambling problems
rimbaud? cancer would have passed him over if God saw that he could run a 6 minute mile
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I am serious. I've been looking forward to the game ever since it was revealed. FFX is my favourite FF and Nier has my favourite soundtrack, and this one feels like a combination of the two.
The game is also sincere in that it tells a serious, emotional story without resorting to quippy "well, that just happened".
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>>737114074
We have our ups and downs. Now sucks, I haven't bought a game in 2 years, but 2022-2024 Spring was absolute kino. 2019-2021 was not good, but 2015-2018 was the best of gaming and I was around for 94-2001.
I find the post weird as I'd say well 2006 was good 2007-Skyrim was grim as fuck, Mario excluded.
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trvth
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cuter but not as sexy
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>>737114074
it's not gen a, it's browns gen a and the brown world that now have internet access, and just out of pure sheer amount of them, some kids follow the opinion of those browns. browns are fine with mediocre bland stuff, not the white ones, the whites ones just accept it because they don't have much to compare it against, and there's no way for them to escape this brown infested society anyway.
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>>737115519
So fucking this, and they all came here in 2014 for gamergate lowering the IQ of this board 20 points. Im not even joking.
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I agree but WoW well shit in my opinion was a force to be reckoned with.
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>>737117421
2025 had E33 and Silksong, both great games. 2026 has Cairn, Terra Invicta, Quasimorph. I'm looking forward to playing Xenonauts 2, and 2026 might finally be the year when Songs of Syx leaves early access.
I'm looking forward to Red Dead Redemption: Dead Red Hood too.
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That is why we love her
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I work in HR and while I would never be allowed to hire any of them, it's crazy to me how much more employable random NEETs from 4chan are compared to young people nowadays. Even you fuckers who have never worked a day in your life and probably think you have no skills can most likely type 90+ WPM from shitposting and have a strong knowledge of Excel just from making moronic spreadsheets about video games. Not to mention problem solving abilities from trying to troubleshoot issues with games, pirating, etc. Meanwhile some kid out of college in his 20s can't type at all, can't even use Word let alone Excel, and doesn't have the slightest idea how to navigate the files on a PC.
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she's 15.
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>>737116845
>t if you feel endlessly wretched to the point of wanting to take your own life, no amount of rationality or spiritualism will save you
False. It's implicit that men are made to live, if you can't then there's a problem with you. Solve that problem.
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>>737117920
She needs precision platformer correction, that way she'll at least be above the average /v/irgin
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>>737118006
>to get a job in the past, millennials had to go to school and become more educated
>to get a job now, a millennial simply has to sit there and let the rest of the world fill with ipad kids, which raises his own education level relative to the average
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>>737117648
For some reason I thought E33 was another spring of 2024. Both were just so fucking good. Good point.
You can keep Silksong...
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>>737116845
his hypothesis about irony was a defense mechanism to prevent him from having to address the fact most people are 100% dead serious. Once that broke, and he was forced to accept that only his tongue was is in his cheek, he killed himself.
"Clinical depression" is not real. He was "depressed" because this world is horrible and no amount of drugs will change that. Except maybe a mountain of dilaudid.
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The people at the top do. Palintirs CEO got his doctorate writing about Kierkegaard. I do agree though, you dont care.
Funny you brought that exact point up as Lenins wife said exactly this.
Why was this index a mistake? First, because it missed the mark. It excluded from the people's libraries the writings of Plato, Kant, Ernst Mach, and idealists generally. These philosopher-idealists are harmful without doubt. But to have their works in the libraries intended for the peasants and workingmen is not harmful - it is immaterial: the masses do not read Kant. The list could not make any actual change in this respect. Much worse was the fact that the list of excluded 'religious' books was very limited.
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>>737114074
The "music" part is retarded, because in the olden days developers - especially Japanese ones - would just plagiarize music from other media.
A good, very early example is Super Mario Bros. - literally every single track is ripped off from a Western piece.
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It really always comes down to that huh, maybe the simplest and obvious answer isn't the most fun so they instead just blame young people for everything even though most of them were like 8 years old when gamergate happened
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We live in a world where chuds took control of the culture and instead of a golden age in gaming, we just got korean AAA shilling and gacha slop from it.
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>>737119219
For me, it's KAJ!
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>>737119512
Mouse be thicc!
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>>737114074
We didn’t bring out the guillotines for Bethesda’s horse armor DLC, and we absolutely should have.
In fact, democratic guillotine is the only way to solve any real problem. I say this as someone who’d likely be among the first to go.
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>chuds took control of the culture
in what world are you living? yeah totally it was chuds putting trannies and blacks in media and letting women in charge of everything
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>pricing:15
>implying the RPG maker/flash game wasn't free most of the time and called a freeware or just "free game"
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>>737119735
NTA but I kind of do. Not E33 though, pure masterpiece. Same with David Foster Wallace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCfpOugmd9E
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>>737119796
Exactly. Its why even though Hollow Knight is better rated and sold more, its kind of close until you see that hollow knight fans tend to have actually fucked a woman before, or get prime south park references...
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>>737118903
>We live in a world where chuds took control of the culture
Is this retard conflating orange man with chuds or what planet is he on? Genuinely I am curious on how one can possibly be so detached from reality that you arrive at this conclusion.
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>>737120104
The biggest faggot opinion of all is thinking Silksong is worse than Hollow Knight. Once again, I'm very sorry that you had to wait for the sequel to learn that bosses like NKG where you aren't cheesing the amount of hits you're supposed to be getting really were the end goal of Hollow Knight's design.
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Okay, fair enough. I still like it. I want stories to be ambitious, experiment, take risks. It may fall flat on its face, but I prefer that over milquetoast nothingburgers being served to us.
DFW I haven't read yet.
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>>737120194
If you werent here prior to 2014, you would not get it.
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>>737120239
But only one of us has fucked a woman before? LOL. And seriosly you should watch some season 4 Southpark, get some real taste. Stop simping for a tranny game that is empirically shown to be worse. Numbers dont lie.
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>>737120356
Blow it out your ass, reddit revisionist nigger faggot.
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>>737120247
Agreed and thats the consensus amongst the intellectuals. Budgets have gotten so large media is afraid to take chances. Thats why the late 90s had so many great films and video games well everything today is just bland remakes... and tranny games like silksong. We will never get another Xenogears with 200m dollar games. Who'd risk it.
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>>737120041
it's a genre that thrives on everything but the gameplay, the spend a lot of money on the aesthetics because that is the main selling point. they aren't selling you a good game they are selling you good vibes
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>>737120604
Except we both know you werent there, or played Duke Nukem.
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this and "cringe" as concept led us here, also isn't it interesting how zoomer internet culture is just black lingo and attitudes?
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>>737120884
The long term amassing of resources is a type of gameplay I last experienced as an actual ten year old who played Pokemon daily. I think if I wanted to fill the void it would be gacha or like an MMO or Warframe or something, and ew, fuck no.
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>>737120813
See, this is an oldfag who gets it.
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>>737120780
I'm currently in early postmodernism (Gaddis/Barth/Pynchon) and I expect to stay here for a while, I doubt I'm getting out anytime soon with all these bricks. But I do plan to get there eventually.
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I didn't like Xenogears, I think it failed when it comes to execution (both gameplay and writing quality), but I appreciate its scope and ambition.
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>>737121058
gaddis and barth mentioned...
The Recognitions is mind-bogglingly good - I hadn't read a novel that captured my thought and imagination to that degree for a very long time. it very much seems like the ideal of the "fuckhueg postmodern novel"; it seems to encompass just about everything we do and see. have you read JR (i have not) if so, what's your take on it?
barth is very funny - i adored Sot-Weed Factor, but haven't read anything else. i think Lost In the Funhouse is supposed to be good?
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>>737120989
Look retard, nobody even used the word "political" until you brought it up. You, or someone you agree with, asserted that chuds "took control of the culture," I expressed disbelief at how someone could be so detached from reality, and then you tried to imply it only really started taking off after 2014, and therefore nobody who has been here since then could see it the way you (a true oldfag, obviously) could. Then I btfo'd you with a single image.
Unless you're going to start saying that mocking niggers and writing swastikas is no longer chud culture, you've lost. Now stop replying and slither off to another thread to parrot your lies in.
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>>737121243
half life was a fucking indie game.
Back in 2006 indie games were indistinguishable from other games because it was independent developer gropes wanting to make a popular game.
Indie games now are full of snarky trash devs who do it to be "different"
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>>737120989
Yeah man nobody knows what you meant when you said "chud" and obviously he needs to define it for everybody here.
What a dipshit.
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>>737121373
idk why you put indie in quotation marks like this, the gaming industry is fucking ginormous, more people are going to get into making video games on their own. it also helps that the tools to do so get easier and easier every year
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>>737121241
I have and it isn't the same. There needs to be an element of real time or it doesn't scratch the same itch. Did you not get what I meant when I said I played Pokemon daily? Did you think I was just saying I did a lot of grinding? The shit that takes mandatory real-world time was an important element.
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There is no such thing as "anything new". Once you reach the point where you can understand that there's very little objectively separating the design of one platformer from the next, when you boil it down a bit, you need to learn not to look for "originality" at all. What you used to think of as "new and original" is not something you'll ever find again.
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>>737120813
>what is political about ideology?
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>>737121351
I think the Recognitions loses some of its impact if you read GR first, it's such an explosion of information, of sheer density, that it still leaves me reeling. But because I get to see Recognitions as comparatively lighter reading, I get to appreciate the Recognitions from another angle: that of a novel focused on art and how we interact with it. It reminds me of a Thomas Mann novel in that aspect. And it's also a novel with scarily good dialogue. It captures the... you know, how certain individuals... or rather speech patterns of people in general, how they leave their thoughts unfinished, how clumsy and chaotic communication feels. Remember the party scenes? I heard JR is structured just like that, but for the entire book, it's all unattributed... I'm looking forward to the audiobook, apparently all of Gaddis' books were done by the same guy and he seems great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FOOCQpyaP8
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>new games are bad
>old games are bad
>only very old games are good
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oh please just get to making out already!
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Yeah, when you get that passive aggressive over obviously getting people mixed up, while you, yourself, become increasingly incoherent, its just time to stop.
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>yo unc new games are deadass lit fr, im not even glazing, you never had graphical rizz like this gramps
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>>737122490
>hurr what is not political about this ideology?
>you didn't reply so I'm right!
I refuse to point out the obvious. If you have something to say, then say it. Make your statement: this is not X. We all know it is and you're wrong.
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>>737120723
Zoomers are like two extremes, either the most pearclutching of the bunch or the total opposite. I remember when one of my porn comics (which was the most bland and basic story of this type) got uploaded to one of those piracy sites and the first comment was "bruh isn't this just rape??? skullskullskullskull".
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I just wanna make an alphie thread bro but theres almost 0 alphies here
Draw alphie now
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>>737123065
I can't draw, sorry...
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>>737114074
you must be confused because modern games are closer to 90s arcades than esports slop and failed pixar animator garbage
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>>737118006
I imagined I would be unemployable considering the void in my resume from being neet. Good to know I can always demote to being a full time wageslave thanks to years of excel, notepad, and keyboard writing games I played.
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>>737123065
Sorry brother. I'm at work. Here's an Alphie from another anon
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games_in_the_ United_States_by_year
>past
madden nfl, call of duty, bing bing wahoos, some fifa, gta, other games
>present
madden nfl, call of duty, bing bing wahoos, some fifa, gta, other games
gamers never had standards in the first place
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>>737123497
>Why does the timeframe matter?
Because you’ve been caught conflating decades of video game history with the amount of games released monthly since 2020. The 83 crash was caused by Atari shoveling out a fraction as many cookie cutter “games” as were released last month alone. You were also caught being unable to differentiate between thousands and dozens.
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>2006
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>>737114074
realism beauty, aka graphics
Verification is not required
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>>737114074
Faggots justifying shitty jew moves from devs/publishers. Everyone was le based smart consumer until a game series they liked had microtransactions or pre order DLC. then it was all ''oh it's not AS bad as [EA game]. If you even bought 1 game with jew moves then you have no right to complain about gaming being shit now.
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None of those were paid. Paid indie shit wasn't a thing back then. Also, AAAs were $50 on consoles in 2006, becoming $60 with the launch of MW2 in 2007.
This image was drawn by a clueless zoomer.
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>>737114552
Additionally, videogames back then weren't "high art" either. They were strongly influenced by comic books, ID software was heavily influenced by Heavy Metal/90s comics and Capcom was influenced by comics/manga.
The film influence set in during the 360/ps3 era
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it kind of was, the web back then used to work like mobile games. people used to either be paid by ad-revenue companies like google or publishers like Armor Games to distribute their content for free.