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>>737118321
Good.

>>737118321
how come every time there is a fight like this, people come out of the woodwork to argue against their own rights

>>737118321
>Chuds
This thread is a false flag

stop posting screenshots from other websites because you are afraid of confrontation and don’t want to say something to that person yourself

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>>737118321
nah, the biggest threat is gachashit

based

>>737118484
goymers were conditioned into willful slavery

>>737118321
One of those 3 dorks? Me.

>>737118572
nothing gets past this guy!

>>737118321
that sounds fucking amazing

How is it a threat to videogames? Just don't fucking scam your customers, it's that easy

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>>737118484
For them, corporations > anything else.

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>>737118321
In a perfect world the EU goes overboard and kills every single MMO/GaaS/Gacha/<Insert always online slop here>

>>737118484
50% brainwashed/contrarian morons, 50% actual paid astroturf campaigns

>>737118484
>Retards
>Paid Shills
>Contrarians
>Ragebaiters
>Simps
Take your pick.

>>737119569
That would empty out EU's tank filled with good deeds done so then they would be useless for 10 years again

>>737119510
How long does it take for these people to acquire the taste for corporate boots?

>>737118321
I like the retards saying having an offline mode in games will be too expensive and bankrupt small game devs and saying how always online is cheaper.

>>737118321
>The single greatest threat to video games is 3 dorks on a dead server

>Be Ross
>Be the one man to finally kill GAAS
BASED

>>737118484
the only right being restricted is the right for people to sell and buy goods as they wish

>>737119628
They're balancing it by pushing age verification

>>737119569
This is why I support this, not to stop killing games but to kill live service slop.

>>737118484
This can act as a further springboard for more legislation about game content and developer practices.

>>737118321
Simple solution is to allow people to make their own dedicated servers like used to be standard.

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>>737119672
Depends on the person I guess. Some are already integrated into the system and will defend it. Others seem to want to be part of the "winning team" and expect their online defense to be rewarded:
>If I defend microsoft a lot, they'll realize I'm valuable!

>>737118484
Well you see, they've got a herd of niggercattle...

>>737119442
But I'm an unapologetic malignant narcissist, I'm just not happy if I'm not scamming people. I live for the sick thrill of tricking and manipulating people, it makes me feel like a god.

>>737119569
That's not how it works
The deal was so that every online only game going forward has to oblige to these rules not that it works retroactively
They're not gonna shut down a crap ton of live service games in the last minute because they can just keep them on and then shut down if they feel like it because Stop Killing Games doesn't work like that

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>>737118484
Brain parasites.

>>737120032
This, making money with honest work and fairness? NAH I just want to scam people.

>>737118321
The most likely outcome is EU requiring a subscription service to play online games, so we'll all be paying to use multiplayer on steam.
Which honestly is pretty fair, xbox, playstation, and nintendo all have to pay for online, why shouldn't pc players too? I'm all for an equitable, diverse, and inclusive future, and what's $50 dollars a month to play the games we all love?

Who is the bad guy here?
>Autistic who wants to grind a live service Skinner box for decades
or
>Publisher who wants to kill live service trash

>>737118321
I'm assuming SKG negatively impacts gacha companies and so they have unleashed their finest specimens to defend them. That's the only charitable explanation for the IQ and behavior of the anti SKG coalition.

>>737118484
Foreign governments trying to force American companies to anything should be fought at every turn, even if the outcome would be hypothetically good for us. That's not how we do things in America.

>>737118484
Look this might be new information, but this is what a bluepill is. I live with several of them. They trust the system and, in my mother's own words, want the TV to tell them what to think. If TV says to play Game IV because Game III is being shut down then she must go out and buy Game IV. I won't lie, I personally exploited this growing up to get more games. But I now see the true greedy intent behind it.

These people are so hopelessly dependent on the system they will fight to maintain it. External agents can infiltrate them and fill them with ideas that are not their own, regardless of how stupid or farcical they are, and they will repeat it and act on it because the TV told them to. Bluepills trust the system, TV, and authority figures over their own eyes and ears. Bluepills cannot and do not want to think for themselves. Bluepills require the larger network to be plugged into as they are not capable of existing outside that network.

They’re literally begging the government to tax video games and players annually

Total fucking retard losers

Back in my day you ran a private server or paid a dev to decompile something. Fuck these fucking retards they should be shot

>>737120234
The EU is the only reason why Steam allows you to refund anything.

>>737120221
Gacha literally cannot exist in an offline environment so you're probably right

>>737119998
There's always that"but" and a whole lot of what-if scenarios and other bullshit, trying to say that curing cancer is actually bad you see because the cure might make your stomach upset.
Someone has to take the first step towards the right direction, it doesn't have to be a 100% success on the first try. And I believe Ross even said this himself as well, they are not demanding a specific solution but want any solution

>>737120270
>Gacha literally cannot exist an offline environment

Enter: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2183650/MEGA_MAN_X_DiVE_Offline/

>>737120221
>their finest specimens
a haunting mental image

>>737118484
I don't know why. I have never seen a comment against SKG that wasn't obvious trolling or a complete misunderstanding of what they are asking for.

>>737120270
Why can't it? SKG posters are all retarded....

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>>737118321
Insane how no matter what the situation is, theres always one bootlicker willing to defend the poor little billionaire corporation

>>737120373
Sounds like you're a tranny projecting

>>737120393
Because there literally is no sane reason to fight against it, unless it's lack of information, in which case the one arguing should just get to know the subject before arguing.

>>737120489
>>737120429
>>737120393
This same spam gets posted in every thread when the bootlicking trannies start losing

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This dude is unconsciously making a point for SKG.
Games from 30 years ago like Quake Live, CS, Age of Empires 2 and whatnot are still playable because of private, self hosted servers. And they will be playable until humanity dies over. They already work, there's no need to change them. SKG is aimed towards new games that are rendered completely unplayable once a company kills them off.

I have yet to see an example of a A or AA multiplayer game that would've been affected by this initiative.
All the examples I've seen so far are games from publishers who have more than enough to support an undertaking like this so that said, can someone please give me a good example so that I can finally understand why this might be a bad idea after all?
This is all just an exercise and hypothetical ofc, we have to remember this initiative is not supposed to apply retroactively in the first place.

>>737120535
I can't even tell who you are insulting since bootlicker has been thrown against both sides

>>737120429
Wanting to support the billion dollar corporation's shitty games isn't boot licking? Playing offline and thus actually high quality games is the only respectable option, dbspic.

>>737120393
Well you see I actually LIKE that companies' only responsibility is pleasing shareholders.

>>737120393
It's always an underage retard or a shill for the companies

>SKG WILL FORCE DEVS TO KEEP GAMES OFFLINE FOREVER!
No retard. All SKG wants is the materials necessary to keep the game offline for the player base without having to spend years reverse engineering or praying some autistic programmer does it for them

>>737118484
Because you're crying for the government to step in to protect you from your own purchasing decisions.

>No you see I WANT COMPANIES TO SCAM PEOPLE YEAH!

in the jews and shills who are against stop killing games defense, there hasn't been a single good live service game

>>737120393
Why the fuck would anyone turn to you to describe your opponent's views? Did you form your opinion of Jews by asking ISIS about them?

>>737120701
2bad. Evil companies and goycattle consumers left everyone else no other option. Only (You) can prevent forest fires and you all shrugged your shoulders instead. Whatever negative consequences come from this are on everyone, not solely SKG.

>>737120701
You could have stopped this. But chose not to. SKG is simply the final solution.

>>737120792
>no u
Why do bootlickers always do this?

>>737120701
I don't disagree anon, on principle I too dislike the idea of governments controlling everyone and everything but the reality is if the government hadn't put a leash on corpos and society in general we would still have kids smoking and drinking and the population in general would still be mostly composed of analfabet retards. Even more than now.
So I'm conflicted honestly. On one hand I don't want the government to have a say in my decisions because I know I can be better than that but on the other we as a society would be doomed otherwise...

Overall I'm still trending more to the side of this initiative being good. Gaming publishers need someone to reign in on their bullshit and if it ain't the customers because they're too dumb then the government it is I guess...

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>>737118321
>Are you happy now?

Thor is OP btw

>>737118484
Leftoids must defend woke companies at all costs

>>737120701
>purchasing decisions
Haha this nigga thinks he (0.000000003% of the market) can influence executive decisions and standards haha

>>737121092
His name is Jason, stop calling him Thor.

>>737121138
Erm, actually it's Maldavius Figtree.

>>737121092
*Jason

Don't call him thor. It's cringe. Even forces his dad to call him that. Which is a good sign he was never beat with a switch growing up.

>>737121138
Yet you are a man pretending to be a woman

Curious

>>737118484
The internet is astroturfed to hell and back
Don't trust anything you see

>>737120842
>i don't have the option to not purchase an only onely game
I wish I could ask for the government to final solution you.

>>737121183
>>737121176
>>737121138
>>737121092
His name is ferretfucker, get it through your thick skulls

>>737121270
>>737121183
>>737121138
You trannies really hate this guy

What exactly did he do, explain biology?

>>737118321
Good, death to live cervix. I'd rather have nothing.

>>737121130
>n-no u!
the only people i've seen against this are rightoids upset at companies being forced not to fuck over customers (and piratesoftware)

>LEFT RIGHT RIGHT LEFT

>>737121359
WHERE THERE'S A WHIP THERE'S A WAY

>>737121138
>>737121183
Kek, my bad, I only learned of SKG a week ago.

>>737121328
he was being a fucking faggot and most of all wrong, and instead of saying my bad, he just doubled down and became even more of a cunt.
But then again, his vocal opposition towards SKG probably gave it the traction it needed to succeed.
And it will succeed, no amount of corpo shills crying will change that

>>737121359
the military step...

>>737118321
I already signed it. Please stop, I literally cannot sign it twice.

>>737121080
You seem to be grappling with the notion that having a good society necessitates some amount of authoritarian curbing on personal liberty, maybe proportionately to the size or complexity of the society. It is inevitable that a non-zero amount of people will demand their right to abuse and mistreat others unprovoked is an expression of their God-given rights, and it should be obvious what anarchy that inevitably results in if respected. An absolutist approach to freedom is for life outside society.

>>737118321
Don't threaten me with a good time

>>737121228
It doesn't affect me as I've already given up on the present and future gaming industry. I think buying games is sinful. I now only want to rape these companies to death and if consumers refuse, decade after decade, then that leaves the bureaucrats.

>>737118321
and nothing of value was lost

>>737118321
then stop being an asshole toward consumers!!!!!

>>737118484
They are lied to by brainlet ecelebs like roach software and colin moriarty

>>737121328
>guy who worked as QA underling for blizzard only because his dad was an exec
>was shit at his job, constantly late and would sperg out in the office playing league
>one of his QA leads offered him a room at her place, found out he's a gross nigger that cums on the walls
>eventually settles into a streaming grift on youtube where he successfully uses shorts to get tons of traffic to his channel
>basically larps as a programming/hacking god that always let you know he worked at blizzard when again he was merely a QA grunt
>gets pretty big on twitch, gets invited to wow classic hardcore streamer guild
>was in a 5 man dm group as mage, he basically peaced out as the rest of the group died
>everyone shit on him for ditching, he double/triple/quadrupled down on not doing anything wrong, basically exposig himself as an inveterate narcissist that can never be at fault
>quickly loses a massive chunk of his viewers/revenue (of which a good chunk of was his mods gifting subs and him paying them back lmao)
also, most germane to this thread
>went against ross' SKG initiative, saying it's going to be bad for game devs (he's barely one) like himself
>badmouthing it left and right
>loses even more of his audience
>still hanging on somehow with a fraction of his audience that he had 2 years before

>>737119510
peak corp bootlicker

>>737121535
With current events happening all over the world it's hard not to be wary of giving government more control anon, give a finger, take the hand and all.
Not long ago my own government tried to sneak in a clause that would allow them to spy on messaging apps in a law that was supposed to just require age control for social media to "protect the children".

Again I'm siding with this initiative but I do fear giving these retarded elected officials of ours more power because they're fucking shit up plenty enough already as is.

>>737118484
>people come out of the woodwork to argue against their own rights
>People

Its brown shills paid by jews.

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>>737119943
Such as?

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>>737118321
So the main complaint about skg is just
>It's more work!
Like okay? Sorry for ensuring you hold your job a little longer before the AAA company you work for boots you off so they can hire the new wave of underpaid interns (from india) to work on the next live service slop game

>>737119569
>gacha gets banned
>this also solves the rapefugee issue
Oh YES!

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Only snoys and emulatorfaggots support this garbage.

Americans have lived under such systems that they can't even fathom the government doing something good for the people. I feel nothing but pity for them and their brainwashed minds.

>>737121337
>rightys hate it
I dont even know what this is because I dont give a fuck what euroniggers do. Poland and hungary are alright.

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>>737122172
>

>>737122240
>comes into a thread about a thing that she knows nothing about
>"leftists are behind it!!!!!!!!!!"
sanest orange pedophile apologist

>>737121935
My point was more that society itself is inherently authoritarian and I would support a mass movement of free peoples outward into more isolated and rural settings. Your kids want to run around and be free, but you need to leash them because their natural tendencies will get them run over by a car, so the proximity to the cars is the problem, not the kids when our current practices have it backwards. There's no good ending in sight for where our societies are heading. We didn't get the luxury of being born in the best of times.

>>737119510
squatters rights and adverse posession exists for housing though

this fucking tranime retard needs to rope himself

>>737122172
The rest are obvious but why does silk song trigger nintodlers to shit their adult diapers?

>>737122505
no one likes hostile gloaters with a mediocre game

>>737121328
>shill is trying to fit in

>>737121080
>>737121535
The basic flaw of Libertarianism is that it assumes a society consisting largely of 110+ IQ people that were raised on Christian ethics and morality, and who feel some sense of obligation/duty to their fellow man even in the absence of laws requiring it. When you have such a society, Libertarianism works just fine.

That does not describe our current society.

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>>737122172
>the bingbing is a drooling mongoloid retard.

Huh, who would've though.

>>737122561
>But enough about Mario and Pokémon franchises.
And before you even sperg no I don't care about hollow knight as I'm not a woman or gay.

>>737118321
What is the reasoning behind this?

>>737119569
What will actually happen is people will keep making those games and just not release them in the EU, and then EUfags will just complain that no one gives them games.

>>737118321
>retarded zoomer thinks xis opinion is worth more than actual, literal shit
lol
lmao even

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>>737120701
We should legalize selling hard drugs wholesale because only retards would be buying that, right?

>>737122892
oh no, we are really going to miss those american slop games

>>737122892
>amerikikes willingly forfeiting EU profits
KEK
those jews would shoot their own leg if it meant they could get into my wallet

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>>737122892
>implying the EU not getting more gacha slop is somehow bad

>>737118484
Literally paid jeets by corpos

>>737122040
i see this shit posted all the time but is there actually any pussy in this manga?

>>737118810
YouTube comments shadowbans you instantly.

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This is retarded but it only hurts live service multiplayer slop so I'll take it as a win anyways.

>>737118321
>Are you happy now?
Yes. They shouldn't have sold games with single player components and pulled the plug on them later.
I do think there should be a minimum threshold for compliance however. I don't want indie devs to be hindered by regulations in an industry that should have as much creative freedom as possible. But corporations apparently can't stop themselves from being anti-consumer, so they need oversight.

>>737118810
Fourth post best post.

>>737121328
he was the one stealing all the breast milk at blizzard

I just want gacha garbage to die

>>737123414
Not many indie devs create games that are affected by this

>>737118321
This only affects slop games, which is exactly not the kind of games I play. I don't care.

>>737119828
Games are not goods that can be sold and bought. Games exist in the form of legal constructs called licenses. What you're buying is a license.

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>>737118484
Paid shills. I'm not kidding. Because social media lets you essentially make anonymous fake accounts it's easy to pay several Indians to go online and argue against our rights since Indians are not the ones being affected by US and EU laws.

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>>737118321
YES!

>>737118321
>Launch epic multiplayer game
>bajillion copies sold
>shut it down sooner to save money on server and "seasonal" development costs
>"Just host your own server goy"
Thanks mold man

>>737123503
I don't know if it counts as indie but Path of Exile is one of those games that I'll be sad to see if it gets shut down

>>737118484
but what if *I* make a rugpull liveservice game some day?

>>737118484
It's devs arguing for them getting a salary. Imagine getting a comfy paycheck modelling overwatch boobs but overnight games like that become unprofitable so everyone's laid off and you with them. SKG benefits people who like singleplayer games (not even singleplayer games themselves) but fucks over multiplayer games and gachas, which have massively outprofited singleplayer games for the last decade.

>>737124118
>Imagine getting a comfy paycheck modelling overwatch boobs but overnight games like that become unprofitable so everyone's laid off and you with them.
this literally already happens to them as soon as the game launches

>>737118321
Well, if the industry had just shut the fuck up and done what everyone asked them to, instead of making bullshit excuses for why they couldn't do the same sorts of things devs in the 90s did, we wouldn't have to get the government involved.
They learned this lesson real quick last time with the ESRB, there was a problem with games being violent and boomers were too stupid to know "SATAN MURDER 69" wasn't ideal for their 12 year old grandson, so they formed a ratings board that tells you how violent stuff is.
Could have simply adjusted company policy to build things to still function to some extent without a central server, but no, that was too much effort and instead of doing the bare minimum they're all now screaming and crying over potential government involvement.
The game developers of the 90s and 2000s would have unfucked their shit in a month and this whole thing would have been a distant memory in no time.
Fuck around and find out.

>>737123786
EU law defines them as goods or services. Services need a clear end date and goods cannot be taken away after paying.

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>>737118321
>AAA shills in full panic mode

delicious

>>737122892
>no gachaslop allowed in the EU
based

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I declined to sign the petition or support in any way when I noticed this is a movement born entirely from spite.
Tell anyone in these threads how this will be detrimental to online games as a whole and you always get the same responses.
>I don’t care
>GAAS deserve to die
>I don’t even play online games lul!!!!
Everyone cheering it on has no actual stake in this beyond ruining fun for everyone else. Pretty pathetic.

>>737124357
Spotted the gacha zoomer

>>737124193
And then you go model genshin boobs until overwatch gets a new booba and you jump back in with extra fanfare. But with SKG, you won't have genshins and overwatches.

>>737124357
Yes.

>>737124357
How is it detrimental?

Why do obvious eceleb discord shills for this fag campaign always accuse everyone that disagrees with them of being paid shills? Do they actually think companies are paying people to post on an almost dead barely functional imageboard or are they just shameless liars that post the same thing in every thread? see:
>>737118484

>>737124357
How exactly is SKG ruining the fun for you?
>the d-devs wont make games
nice headcanon

im so sad that three brown people played a game i liked

>having to leave an offline version of your game playable after you stop paying for servers will cost the company more money, and make the employees douuble lose their job, because... it just will

>>737124516
Why else would someone argue against their own interest?

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>>737119569
They did mention in this same hearing that they've been noticing lootbox degeneracy and that it only worsens the case for live service games since they're withdrawing your stake into the game without your consent or reimbursement
So yes, gachashit is on their sights. But dont expect anything to confront them in the near future

>>737121935
>With current events happening all over the world it's hard not to be wary of giving government more control anon, give a finger, take the hand and all.
But this applies to everyone who has power and authority over others, so giving multibilion companies a pass in the name of not giving more control to the government doesn't really makes sense.
Ideally, we should atrive to make societies where strong powers check each other, while avoiding that their interests become aligned at the cost of the common man.

>>737119569
Just in EU. AmeriCHAD and AsiaCHAD will get theirs just fine.

>NOOOO THINK OF THE:
>mmos
lol.
>gachashit
lol.
>multiplayer games with proprietary servers
lol.

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>>737120061
>Average left wing meme length

>>737118321
Yes. Shutting down The Crew to sell The Crew 2 is predatory bullshit.

>>737118484
It's mostly companies like Babel Media.

>>737120701
>Just learn beforehand that single player games had a secret kill switch inserted in the encrypted code written on proprietary software that they'll throw you in jail for decoding.

How is the consumer supposed to learn prior to purchasing that Atomfall, a singleplayer game with no online features, is dependent on a central server? How is a purchaser of The Culling 2 supposed to know that the game would be rendered inoperable in 8 days? How about Concord in 11 days? The Day Before in 4 days?

Is it your serious opinion that every person who buys a single player video game should be perfectly fine with their game being taken back in four days?

>>737118484
I should have the right to purchase live service games, faggot.

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>>737124445
>But with SKG, you won't have genshins and overwatches.
There's no conceivable way in which you can frame this concept and make it sound like not a positive, no matter how much you shart or twist your or anyone's words

>>737124936
mfw euggers and asiaggers get to own games forever meanwhile americans get to die in some random brown shithole to give us the oil that they denied us for no reason

>>737124936
>soulless gacha consoomers
>"chad"
lol

I like game like deadlock but I absolutely despise gachaslop. I would sacrifice deadlock if it could kill gacha games.

>>737123324
Maybe don't fill the post with slurs like you're on 4chan, zoomer. It's trivial to post a comment on youtube, twitter, etc. without being "shadowbanned" and you don't need to make shit threads on rapeapechan based around comments you won't discuss to the user's face.

>>737118484
they haven't been burned by their favorite game EOS'ing, likely they really don't give a shit about the games they play to begin with and could care less if it becomes lost media after 3 years.

>>737125164
you will stop hurting yourself and you will enjoy it

>>737118321
Based, fuck the normies.

>>737118321
That game from 30 years ago with 3 dorks playing it is probably better than 99% of the games modern devs are creating.

>>737125429
Then why is the only a small group of 40 year old losers playing it now? If a game is actually good, the servers don't get shutdown. Plain and simple.

>>737125429
alright buddy cool it with the antisemitism

>>737118484
Rubberbanding.

>>737123503
No, but I there's still the possibility of them being fucked over by it.

>>737120061
>our food
Nope, in that scenario the food belongs to whoever can secure it. Their idea of "working together" is vague and probably involves corruption, oppression and mismanagement.

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>>737125263
In all the circles of people I move in, the grand majority of people that are into gachashit is 99% composed of third worlders, that go above and beyond to lick their chinese corpo overlord's boots clean, absolute retards that think they're cheating the system for being f2p's, one of them outright showing me an screenshot of an excel sheet containing his schedule for all his gacha dailies so he can keep farming the "free" rainbow gizmo currencies
I feel nothing but a bottomless disdain towards gachaniggers

>>737119943
It's the EU. They don't have free speech anyway. Why do game devs piss and shit themselves at the prospect of being held to basic quality standards?

>>737125563
>only good things last
Holy shit lol
Unironically underage

>>737124027
Why would it get shut down by SKG? The SKG does literally nothing to them if they keep the game running.
And when they do decide to stop, just give the players the tools to emulate their own GGG servers.

I really don't care what the EU does

>>737126117
Cool. Get out.

>>737125745
A bunch of punks in a garage managed to solve this with 1980-1990's resources and documentation, surely late 2020's indies will be able to trivialize this issue with shit like steam's online services, right

>>737118321
How?

>>737126012
>Devs
You're slipping in the mind trap the main culprits want to goad you to
It's not devs, it's publishers

>>737125563
Didn't Blizzard just sue a bunch of vanilla WoW operators out of existence so they could push their own jeetslop fork?

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>government helps corpos through subsidies and other such crap
>*crickets*
>government helps the people by letting them play games
>"DAWW, DOES POOR LITTLE BABY NEED DADDY GOVERNMENT?"
zero principles. just keel over and die.

>>737126084
I'm not suggesting that, I was just giving an example of a game I like that I think counts as an indie that is unfortunately a single player game that is always online.

>>737126257
Same difference when you're talking about online service games.

>>737122005
>the government which banned the use of colored inks in tattoos surely won't stick it's nose further into the gaming industry

>>737125073
That actual study just showed that shutting down the fear response part of the mind decreased those attitudes, so if anything right-wing politics is proven to be driven mostly by fear and isn't fear an unmanly emotion?

>>737126305
>governments helps jews murder its own citizens
>*crickets*
>governments help muslims murder jews
>WHITE MAN SAVE ME

>>737126084
Please anon be more aggressive with these idiots.
SKG does not apply retroactively you fucking retards, it's supposed to apply only to games released after the regulation is passed and the regulation itself might pass with a clause saying it'll only start being policed from 2030 onwards or something like that to give developers time to adapt.
So no, any game you're enjoying right now won't suffer anything because of SKG.
Use common sense ffs.

>>737126117
It’s actually kind of insane how some cult like mobs slobber over the EU’s boots, pretending the less competent and capable bureaucrats should have a superseding say on anything. It’s about as disgusting as those who worship private industry

>>737126149
Well, stop making this sound like it's anything to the other 2/3rds of worldwide gamers.

>>737123013
The Crew shutting down can't overdose you, retard.

>>737126305
I wish the EU didn't exist, but it's still hilarious when they make propaganda by shitting on foreign companies with inexcusable business practices. Gotta take what you can in this life.

>>737120234
Least kiked golem

>>737118484
>If I just slap the word "rights" onto anything, that means I should be able to do whatever I want
Your desire to host a private server isn't a "right". If you want to make it a law, go through the normal processes of making one, but there isn't a right to your toys, you child.

>>737118484
theyre bots

>>737118321
I don't think it's gonna result in what Ross wants since that type of legislation would clash with copyright

Yet I see a lot of people just cheering at the prospect of companies canning game development altogether or region locking more content which should be the opposite of the goal here

I think they're probably gonna pass some half-assed voluntary shit that doesn't force companies to do anything, although I think the whole movement at least will shift company towards preservation since it's kind of an hot topic and preservation makes you look good

>>737118484
Because American private industry supersedes the non wants of some pissant foreign body

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>>737118321
i was against this because the guy is really ugly but yesterday one of my favorite games announced it's shutting down so now I'm in

>>737119943
No it's not, they've already legislated and regulated things before this. It's not adding a "Backdoor", the front door has been open and used for 20 years.

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>>737126624
>Because American private industry supersedes the non wants of some pissant foreign body
Oh really?
Please tell me more anon

>>737126389
so fucking what?
run your local server, problem solved
the bullshit here is about how you can lose access to software YOU PAID FOR because of the whim of a souless corpo who sees you, the consumer, as literal cattle, a walking wallet

>>737126419
lol. lmfao even.

>>737126390
No, the underpaid, overworked intern that built a piece of concord (not to be confused with the broad with abnormally long nails that wrote more lines in twitter than in the editor) does not shit and piss himself at the idea of trying to make concord into anything but what concord turned out to be

>>737126752
>foreign power extending its reach beyond its moral allowances
Gross

>>737126471
The cost of implementing this for the EU will likely be less than any profit they could make. So the companies making games will likely implement it and since it's implemented might as well make it available to everyone. So it will effect you.

>>737126554
I'm sure you've heard of copyrights. This is because copying is a right, it's the fundamental basis of life itself and of human progress. Law subverts this right. One of many reasons law needs to be ignored and its perpetrators killed.

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>>737126752
wtf :-DDD this is gommunism :-DDDDD

>>737126471
Ah yes, cannot talk about EU things on 4chan, because /v/ needs at least 21 threads about Leon and his wife of choice up at all times despite nothing in the games is hinting at ANY romance at all

>>737126869
Plus if it ever comes to it the corpos will try to spin this as them being nice to their consumers and their games being the best they can for their costumers or some other bullshit like that.
They'll absolute milk all the brownie points they can from this to somehow try and make up for the loss in their abuse of copyright laws.

>>737126863
But enough about nuking the towelheads on the funny nose's tribe behalf

>>737126869
so globalization has been good for the EU and lets them indirectly affect more than themselves.

>>737118484
>people

>>737126825
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11519434/
It is literally part of the amyglada which processes fear, anxiety and rage. So essentially speaking conservative people are more negatively emotional which is very blatant to see considering just how negative the vibes the chud space is. How /v/ is consistently the most negative place in the world. It is just a constant stream of bad vibes

>>737126752
>in EU
Best case scenario the EU will just get unpatched games with no online support, and it'll be like the 90's where there are bugged and fixed games on the market and early adopters will be shit out of luck if their copy is bugged.

>>737126419
>isn't fear an unmanly emotion?
No that's female suicidal hubris. Man lives in a state of greed tempered by fear. If you're not feeling fear you're not taking big enough risks.

>it won't get 10k signatures
What a journey, watching the shills desperately trying to undermine this campaign for over a year has been entertaining.

>>737126178
Probably. It's probably a non-issue, I'm just wary about regulation fucking little people over in general. But it's needed at scale, and to keep corporations in check.

>>737126554
If you took my money, I get to keep the product I purchased from you.
If you take the product back, give my money back.
It's that simple.

>>737127468
>here's my unhinged fanfiction of what will happen
Please know what you are talking about next time. SKG will not make games be somehow bugged and broken on release you fucking faggot retard

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>>737118321
Yes, actually

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>>737118321
>The video game industry is diseased, rotten to the core. There is no saving it - we need to pull it out by the roots. Wipe the slate clean. BURN IT DOWN! And from the ashes, a new age of Video games will be born. Evolved, but untamed! Live services will be purged and the best games will thrive - free to be played as long as you want, they'll make Video games great again!

>>737121485
the airforce rap....

>>737118321
Its kinda parted bit it only affects bad games so I don't care

"Noooo, think of the live-service games! think of the gacha games! this would kill gacha games!"
>game shuts down
>game is now possible to be downloaded and played locally with singleplayer functions, and if gacha, all the characters are unlocked with game currency so you can essentially have everything that normally costs money
>creators "forced" to keep server for downloads up for a few years, so people can archive it
>later, governments and enthusiasts of the world will host megaservers for dead games for everyone so you can download the games, reverse engineer them and possibly revive them, essentially preserving them as long as "libraries exist"

Give me ONE reason this can't happen, and give me one reason why some faggot studio/publisher who kills a game should be bitter enough to prevent someone else from hosting the game as non-profit, on a fan paid server

There is genuinely only ONE reason why anyone would oppose SKG, and that is INDUSTRY GREED - they literally don't want you playing their old games, as the old games are DIRECT COMPETITION to their new, worse releases.

>>737127652
If online services are illegal you'll get no Day 1 patches, sweaty.

>>737118484
Because GR3's clause about trolling is only ever enforced when a janny dislikes your post specifically, causing posters who actually troll like those you're referring to to get away with it.

>>737128458
Some gachas already get converted into a unit viewer/visual novel when they get EOS's, so they should already qualify for SKG standards.
It's really not that hard.

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>>737118321
>one retard that doesn't even get 1k responses

>>737118484
Getting this gaslit

Propaganda's goal isn't to make you believe in something, It's to make you think everyone else believes in it. They -NEED- you to think their is some mass of boot licking clowns out there so you just comply when they refuse to do what's best for you.
They -NEED- you to believe that these screen grabs account for just as many or more than the people who support the movement.

Do not fall for such bait.

Refuse to be their bottom bitch.

>>737128471
>if online services are illegal
What? Why would they be? Are you a fucking legit retard?

>>737118484
Retard behaviour, duh

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>>737118484
Remember that cyberwarfare is a normal tactic these times, and those "people" arguing against their own rights turn out to belong to either one of two groups:
1. Actual shills simply working for their corporate masters. Create false dissent and opposition (which later gets mass reposted by various automated content farms to try to get more views and people to act against themselves) to laws that are bad financially for corporations, but good and honest for the consumer.
2. Usually mentally deficient/ill, rabid fanboys of some huge corporations, who become enraged like little children if they BELIEVE (key word here) that a given event will hurt their favorite toymaker in the SLIGHTEST. Basically, the second group is very much that "Leave the multibillion dollar corporation alone!" meme turned into an, unfortunately, living being.

>>737128751
>one retard that doesn't even get 1k responses
The mod's twitter account is pretty lame so he has to shill it here
Gotta monetize that shit

>>737128471
You mean publishers will have to launch functional games on Day 1? How horrifying

>>737128887
I think the second group is very very small in 2026. The good faith people had of these corporations are well and truly dead and the youth of today would sooner defend cartoons of the 1970s than defend any of these companies. Most don't grow up on this stuff anymore and the few that do die from cringe when they discover people as old as there parents are into this shit.
It's why most lines to buy pokemon cards are just full of old greying men.

>>737128951
Which is just killing the traffic here.

>>737129104
I don't think so. Too many people were born into this hell and just don't have the reference frame to really conceptualise how much better it could be. There are a lot of overemotional, screeching children. Particularly with short-form content having fried their decision centers for good. But, who knows? Shudder.

There's tons of ways of doing this with a little bit of malicious compliance so that the end user doesn't actually end up with jack shit. Like releasing the actual host software in such a state that you'd need a supercomputer to run it. Or have some time-gates stuff in the game and have it default to a really shitty state of the game. Or have the last update be really broken and buggy and then release the hosting software based on that final shitty patch. I don't think this law is going to actually work the way people think it's going to because there's a huge financial incentive against it => people are gonna fuck with it.

>>737118321
>3
half life 3 confirmed

>>737118321
Devs should have just made their games capable of hosting community servers and to be free from bullshit like matchmaking and tranny-tier chat moderation. They wouldn't have this issue then.

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>I'm not usually in any of these committees but I thought to come for the side quest. It is dangerous to go alone into the digital future without clear consumer protections and I don't want to set the world on fire, but the truth is that the way we own media has shifted into something that's very sus. Too often, citizens buy a game only to find out that the cake is a lie. You buy a game you hope to cherish for years, but then one day it's suddenly gone. You think, "Shit, here we go again." When the publisher pulls the plug, we realize that our princess is in another castle. Our liberty, our libraries are emptied. It's like we've died of dysentery. As we've heard, currently players are forced to see the purchases that they made completely vanish. We should not have to endure and survive a marketplace where our purchases which are often masterpieces and they bring so much joy are treated as disposable. We cannot allow digital preservation to take an arrow to the knee. So a petition was started to address all of these issues and it is super effective. Let us therefore congratulate over 1 million citizens who signed it with one clear message to the EU. Don't be sorry, be better. It's time to finish the fight. We must ensure that even when companies move on, the virtual worlds we paid for remain still alive. Let us praise the sun on a new era of digital rights so that for the gamer of the future, it isn't simply game over.

>>737128619
99% of gachashit's only worth is a fucking gallery for big titty hoes, and I say 99% in hopes that there's a single fucking gacha somewhere that has gameplay worth half a shit, if they get reverted into a softcore scenario gallery, that is only exposing the game's true nature as there is nothing else for it to be "played" for

>>737129278
Ah yes you are right,better to just let corpos keep raping us in the ass forever instead

>>737119510
>billion dollar corporations shutting off a game so they can repackage a sequel is just like me needing a room for my dying mother!
I really want to believe these are bots.

how comes p2p or hosting your own servers is no longer possible with modern tech?

>>737129391
it's very possible with modern tech, but not with modern devs (jeets)

>>737129379
Corpos will simply find a new hole to fuck you through is what I'm saying.

>>737129483
You keep regulating. That's how it works. The alternative is... letting those things keep happening...?

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>>737129278
It has been tried before, didn't went well then, it won't go well now.
Picrel had to pay a 500 million fine because of these shenanigans btw.

>>737118484
It’s not rights
But I think people are misunderstanding this hugely
They want no government involvement, which I agree
Mould lord just wants companies to not have the power to take a game away from you that you’ve already paid for

>>737121183
Anyone got that clip of his dad talking about how maybe he should've beat Jason when he was younger? That shit was both funny and tragic to see.

>>737129391
Cool it with the antisemitism

>>737120680
I can see a problem with that, you are forcing companies to freely give their online system up, if they make another using the same system, it will be more easily piratable and pirate private servers will be easy to set up.
If a company happens to develop a new in house security system, they would obliged to divulgue what are corporate secrets and have real value up for free, it's actually really problematic if you give it any thought.

>>737129564
you will eventually strangle any activity at all. which is fine with me since it's only euros.

>>737129759
Tell me when that happens. I don't believe we should stop doing anything good for the people because it might eventually, at some point, have negative consequences. Laissez-faire capitalism is nonsense.

>>737118321
Yes, very much so.

>>737129751
>but le piracy argument
really?

>>737118484
Because they are americhuds, and they want to have their rights stripped away. They don't want to think anymore.

>>737129969
No, they're arguing for their own rights as the oppressors. Anyone who isn't a "winner" deserves to be trod on. It's no wonder they live in such a belligerent society.

>>737129751
Well fortunately SKG isn't hounding for a specific solution but for any solution for the game to be playable after the publisher destroys it.
So they can come up with something that doesn't compromise their security.

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>gibs me dat 50 petabyte server

>>737129908
What about the second statement?
If a company happens to develop a new in house network security system for online games, you are setting up the precedent that the State can just force a private entity to give up secret valuable information under the threat of violence for what are frankly frivolous reasons.

>>737129212
>just don't have the reference frame to really conceptualise how much better it could be
You misunderstand, I think they have no interest in it, regardless of what they think is normal. That's what made the 83 crash happen, the youth just stop caring, they saw garbage, shrugged, and left. That's happening right know, very very fucking few kids are into anything video games. Pokemon and Mario are last standing but even then it's a 4 to 1 ratio of adults to kids that are into it. And I'm not talking the shit you see online, getting anyone/child or adult to act stupid online is easy look at that OP, one clown who no one knows and retards act like it accounts for millions.

We are so fuck because people just believe lies so they can hate something that isn't them.

>>737129829
There's a good reason why hardly any large software or hardware manufacturing is done in europe nowadays.

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>>737120221
People defend Chinese gachaslop cause Japan's lazy and can't make anything Genshit/WuWa-quality at all (both are absolutely mid but the Japs fall short of even that) and the West keeps trying to force coons and troons. The moment Japan stops fucking digging in it's own ass and the West stops trooning out, people won't care what happens to chink gachas. But until then people would rather consoom Chinese gacha than play Bandai-Namco or Nintendo's latest recycled slop or the Concord-type shit from the West. We live in a timeline where chinks are making better games than everyone else by the sheer virtue of the bar being set so low by everyone else it may as well be in the ground rather than the chink games being actually amazing.

>>737129751
nigger do you think you're connecting to fucking military grade servers?
what the fuck kind of reasoning is this shit?

>>737118484
Ask MAGA

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>>737118810
Needs to be stickied and given as a ban reason for every offsite cap poster.

>corpo
lots of underage cringe ITT

>>737118484
It's like whites who have been conditioned to ask "where are the black people" in eastern video games. They are mentally unable to understand that countries might consist of a mostly homogenous population and biggest countries in the world are just like that.

>>737118484
Someone else's intellectual property isn't your right, commie.

>>737130391
I agree. We should give up our rights because we might agree with someone cringe.

>>737120552
Are there any modern game that are even worth playing forever?

I only play Japanese gacha made by Koreans and don't really care if it disappears completely once it EoS. meh. Vast majority of people don't spend any money on it either. EU gonna EU, but I will be mad if they get my gacha taken down.

>>737119243
>Slavery is when you choose how to spend your money

>>737125073
>How is a purchaser of The Culling 2 supposed to know that the game would be rendered inoperable in 8 days? How about Concord in 11 days? The Day Before in 4 days?
How come the Culling and Day Before aren't considered part of the Concordian timeline?

>>737130113
Does Genshit Impact have a 50 petabytes install?

>>737119510
Pro-corporation website. R*ddit is for, leftist.

I NEED TO PLAY THE HEKIN CREWERINO
I NEED TO PLAY THE HEKIN CREWERINO

>>737130574
this but unironically, i love playing video games

>>737120061
>Left-wing "meme"
>Wall of text
Every time. Move to north Korea, faggot

>>737120234
>That's not how we do things in America.
Of course, in America you are supposed to let corporation prolapse your asshole whenever they want it.
America land of the golem, home of the corposlave.

>>737130574
why is this a problem

>>737120393
Government shouldn't be getting involved in the video game industry and IP rights should be protected, simple as.

People keep talking about gacha games but those are f2p so this won't affect them right?

>>737124234
This. All they had to do was give people the means to host community servers or to play it offline and make their own content.

This is like someone trying to separate the laser from the laser pointer, so they can give it to their cat.

>>737120429
You bootlick communist dictators, stfu.

So long as the consumer is informed about it potentially shutting down, seems like more than enough consumer protection.

>>737121130
Leftists are anti-corporation

>>737130113
There is exactly one game I can think of that can use this excuse and it's MSFS 2024. Which was a catastrophically retarded idea and one of the primary reasons why the game is such a dumpster fire.
Even then, there is nothing technically stopping them from releasing server binaries without the assets so that modders could put the game back together after Microsoft stops caring.

>>737130574
If I paid money for it, and you took it, you are legally responsible of my ability to play the game
So either pay those servers or pay the jeet to make the server files public
Or you know, design the game so the player can host his own games so you dont have to pay to retrofit the entire system to comply with consumer rights.
Sorry for the antisemitism

>>737130969
SKG seems to be fine with that too, publishers just have to put the exact expiry date on the box. Let customers know as soon as they're about to hand over money that they're not paying to own anything, but see how many copies you sell.

>>737118484
Stockholm syndrome.

It has unironically been bred into anyone born after 2000. Anyone born before that is mostly resistant to it, but you do have a few weak minds here or there.

Just look at the Destiny community. Anyone that asks Bungie to do their $3bill job gets raped for attacking a small indie company.

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>too hard
idg what the issue is. Just release the tools you use to host game servers, the burden is on the consumer to be tech savvy enough to actually use them. There's no stipulation that average joe retard should be able to press button receive game server. Bear in mind based autistic diehard fans have revived dead online games WITHOUT any official support by reverse-engineering the client and determining what the server should be doing to support it, so if it ends up being the case that you just have to care enough to learn how it works then that's fine.
>they'll just avoid yurop
Any studio that thinks their game is going to actually make money will recognise that the cost of doing the above is tiny compared to opting out of the european market, even if that market isn't the biggest.
>server software is IP
Game clients are IP, guess we can't have those on your PC either?

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>>737130905
We used to be able to do that just fine.

>>737131264
Seems a little to rigid to me. I'm sure a company can define a date they're willing to go for based on their allocated finances, but as a consumer I'd much rather have it last as long as it's financially sustainable.

>>737118484
Because all burgers instinctually understand that government is supposed to serve corporations and oppress commoners and when someone tries to oppress corporations using the government they start acting like house niggers

>>737118321
based, fuck video games, they're gay as hell

>>737118321
>we need to make games to include the minorities
>NO NOT THAT MINORITY!!

>>737125073
>How is the consumer supposed to learn prior to purchasing that Atomfall, a singleplayer game with no online features, is dependent on a central server?
From what I can tell, on PC its only online requirement is Steam itself and Denuvo DRM. If you can buy and download the game, then you can play it.
The PS5 version is technically playable completely offline but does have game breaking bugs on disc which need an update, unknown if pre-updated discs are available or not.

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>NOOOOOOO THE POOR GACHA DEVS WON'T BE ABLE TO SCAM (some) PEOPLE WHO WILL WAIT FOR THE FULL VERSION OF THE GAME INSTEAD
Hahahaha holy shit
These are the "arguments" from anti-SKG faggots
Gachaniggers are truly subhuman

>>737119292
Me also.

>>737131737
The retarded monkey cannot even conceptualize the thought of having all those microtransactions being free shit because the game is dead and no one pays money for it anymore. He is so indoctrinated that he needs someone to charge him money for something, at all times.

>>737118484
I dunno, it's almost like shills and industry plants exist and shit

>>737131269
There is no technical issue, the true issue for game companies is that this gives an uncomfortable (for them) amount of control to the end user.
They would risk ending up getting caught in a Catch 22 situation where they either keep supporting a game forever or give it to the community and become competition for their next game (especially if it's shittier or the community start getting shit done with the old game).
You have to understand that most corpos CEO are narcissistic sociopath that would rather die than cede any amount of control over what they see as "theirs" to others.

>>737131737
>B-but think of all the fun gambling games we will lose!
>They will have to let you buy all characters instead of gambling $100k
>We will loose ALL gacha games!!!!!

Holy shit are these actual humans? Like this isn't an AI poster on that forum?

>>737131737
Gacha wouldn't be included in any legislation anyways since it's mostly mobile games and the EU is looking to kill sideloading in preparation of the EU digital identity, so anything not on the app stores might as well not exist, and anything not maintained continuously by an approved developer isn't gonna be allowed on the app stores at all.

>>737132019
and you say you're for consumers? (some) consumers have shown they like gacha games. you're spending effort to take it away from them?

>>737131737
That argument itself is non-sensical, if a company wants one their games to enter EOL it means they don't really intend to make money off it or else they'd keep the servers online so why the fuck do microtransactions even matter here?

>>737131737
gee, it's almost like gachashit and other services are cancer?
you're basically downloading files into the user's PC and charging them to unlock them. how isn't that fucked?