I'm just glad that this is going to finally kill off live service games completely.

>>737120230
>progression tracking, inventory management, enemy behavior and reward calculations
Nobody cares about those, don't use them, it's as shrimple as that

>>737120230
>EU passes some gay bullshit laws like they always do
>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuity
>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new games

Great going you fucking retards. Pirate Software may be a raging faggot nepobaby retard but he's 100% right about this.

why can't they just release the server source code

>>737120230
Just stop making live service games.

>>737120349
>>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuity
>>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new games
wtf I love the EU now?

>>737120230
It's only a problem if you don't think about it from the get-go. If you know that there is a law to keep the game playable after EoS, you will take different architectural decisions.
t. Software Engineer (not in game dev, but it's all the same shit)

>>737120349
>>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuity
Gaming is healing.

>>737120297
>Now Bungie will have to suffer Marathon flop forever
Thank you SKG, very based

>>737120349
Those are bad things?

>>737120230
>but suggested that it’s often not a viable choice for developers in terms of the additional work and cost involved.
not my problem
it will be illegal not to therefore they will bend over and comply
corpo suits have a special place in hell waiting for them

>cocksuckers not one minute into the thread already fellating industry kikes and convincing you that it's impossible to make online games work offline

brown shills board

>>737120469
>If you know that there is a law to keep the game playable after EoS, you will take different architectural decisions.
No anon, you will make different business decisions.

>>737120492
But how will we sell your data if we can't collect it!?

>>737120469
This. SNK can go cry into their Saudi money pit.

>>737120469
This. Just make sure that essential "mechanisms" are stored client-side and you're good. I don't see how that would be difficult if you're making a new game from the ground up.

>such as save file tampering
>synchronization issues
>data inconsistencies upon resuming the game

They're just digging themselves deeper. I want to tamper with my save files.

>>737120563
I can picture junior devs writing themselves into a corner and not being able to unfuck their architecture without a fuckton of work. But this was clearly not the case with Nier Reincarnation when fucking fans without access to the source code could bring it back.

>>737120230
Yet there are games from smaller studios that did it anyway. Weird.

>>737120349
>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuity
Based, stop killing games you fucking niggers
>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new games
BASED, I paid for it, I don't see why they should be allowed to just take it down

>>737120469
Not to mention there's always tools to develop and test locally so it's not like they're starting from scratch

>>737120349
>>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplaye

That is 100% a good thing. I want that shit to go away. Make single player games and local multiplayer only or die.

>>737120230
>The Devil himself just said hell isn't that bad anon, why don't you listen to him for a change?

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>>737120230
>retrofitting live-service games

>>737120349
>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS
Dogshit """genre""" that hasn't had a good entry in 30 years due to existing entirely as a financial model for retards and criminals
>games with any online component like coop
Local co-op
>or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuity
Let players self-host and bear the risk instead of having to put it in the hands of penny-pinching execs
>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new games
Just release server binaries and say "Do it yourself lol"

>>737120230
>retrofitting
Also
>Europe law
>Japanese devs
Stay in your lane (country).

>>737120349
It's for new games not old X360 stuff.

>>737120230
All this discussion just made me hate japs even more than I already sis
Honorary aryan my ass

>>737120230
>>737120349
>>737120469
Jesus Christ, just let people run their own servers after you are done milking them. It’s that easy.

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>>737120230
>Mechanisms that are essential for a game to function properly, such as progression tracking, inventory management, enemy behavior and reward calculations among many others, are supported by servers in an online environment.
Amazing how Phantasy Star never had this issue

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>>737120575
there's no trees left to make these. lost technology for data hoarding

>>737121041
Their loyalty to their corporations is unmatched. They will literally die for them - Karoshi. I would not work 1 minute overtime even if it means the death of my boss and his entire family.

>save file tampering

oh no!
anyways

>>737120469
this, also Ross has stated multiple times he's not worried about "retrofitting" old games, he wants to avoid this issue going forward

>Mechanisms that are essential for a game to function properly, such as progression tracking, inventory management, enemy behavior and reward calculations among many others, are supported by servers in an online environment. Relocating these mechanisms so that they work locally, he explains, leads to a plethora of new problems to solve, such as save file tampering, synchronization issues and data inconsistencies upon resuming the game.

If the company is dropping support for the game why would they give a shit about these things after leaving it to the players to deal with? Are they genuinely so terrified that they'll lose sales on monetization and newer games if players are allowed to create and host fun servers independently?

Why don't they just use AI to put the code on the computer

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>why do you advocate for consumer rights? we do not do that in JAPANY
>why do you want to play old games? we do not do that in JAPANY (except Dragon Quest III because it is our state religion)
>why do you rent and mod games? we do not do that in JAPANY
>why do you not spy on and enslave modders, like we do in JAPANY?

Japs have literally no room to speak on this matter. They would kill ANY game not just live service slop, just because they don't want people to play it anymore

>>737120978
>company abandons games to private hosts after it flops
>game becomes megahit on personal servers because people do tons of different and fun stuff instead of bland corporate nonsense
Imagine the PR disaster, ABANDONED GAME BREAKS PLAYER RECORDS

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>>737121116
D-DOESN'T COUNT!!

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>bootlicking country weighs in
Not gonna read it.

>>737120349
>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuity
>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new games
Uhhh hello? Based department?

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>B-BUT SAVE FILE TAMPERING
>B-BUT SYNCHRONIZATION ISSUES
>B-BUT DATA INCONSISTENCIES
holy fuck they're still buttmad about datel

>>737120230
>additional cost and work involved
>literally just letting the player create and host their own servers

>>737121116
The online experience for this game was a joke. The single player offline game was the real game. If you connected online hackers were able to easily delete your character, and even if that didn't happen you'd just be playing with cheaters with fully kitted out hacked in gear. It wasn't until BlueBurst that they sort of figured this shit out.

>>737121354
This is the biggest example. Monster Hunter are the best games ever made, and hole up to this day, yet not a single one prior to fucking world has ever been ported to modern platforms.

>>737120230
>I can only make games if they’re easy to make
Fuck off then.

>>737121041
Japan is an dystopian country like many Asian countries are the difference is japan is 'west-aligned' (American cocksucker) so the practices aren't being called out.

>>737120349
Natural Selection is what it is called.

Also devs aren't expected to continue support, just so that those who bought the game can keep playing it or work with it, expenses and responsibility in context to post-support would fall on them and not the publisher.

>>737120349
Do people really genuinely believe this?
Currently, in a vague sense, game developers develop a seperate "application" that just sends data to/from the game on the users device to make an MMORPG or server-based multiplayer game. The application server side is responsible for storing info about the characters, their state and running the "base" version of the game that everyones "character" interacts with in an MMO.

Making these games playable is literally as simple as releasing the server-side program once the game has come to an end forever. Its barely even an effort to "retrofit" anything into them, and even LESS of an effort to make the basic consideration that you'll need to release it someday after you have literally decided to sunset the game already. I genuinely challenge the motion that ANY game ever made would take more than 1 month of salaried effort from devs with access to the source code to get into a good playable state and thats assuming they were actually retarded and maliciously shit all over their code first to make it even harder to release.

Anti-SKG posts are so stupid.

>>737121353
Lol, should've made a better game before abandoning it then.

>>737120230
>save file tampering, synchronization issues and data inconsistencies upon resuming the game
Oh no, a player may tamper with their game and accidentally break it in a way that may require rolling it back to a previous install, that's so much worse than developers intentionally breaking it in a way that can never be rolled back.

Prove you're not a cultist. Post some actual valid anti-SKG arguments.

Why is it even a debate to tell devs that, if they wish to close their game's servers, they should make it possible for fans to host their own servers to continue playing in a niche community?

It's basic common sense and doesn't hurt the company whatsoever.

All their arguments boil down to
>Not killing games would allow players to continue playing the game, without getting additional funds via monetization
>This is bad for our business model which relies on never releasing competitive products

>>737120230
>Mechanisms that are essential for a game to function properly, such as progression tracking, inventory management, enemy behavior and reward calculations among many others, are supported by servers in an online environment
Most retarded and incompetent game developer ever.
Literally had these features in Morrowind and you didn't need to even have Internet to play that.

>>737121464
The private server for this game has more players than the real game ever had. That's the sad part.

>>737120230
>retrofitting live-service games
not what SKG is asking for

>>737121583
>Prove you're not a cultist. Post some actual valid anti-SKG arguments.
SKG violates copyright law.

>>737120230
>private servers are impossible, goy
>just trust us

>>737121598
>doesn't hurt the company whatsoever
Players playing shitfaggotgame 2 instead of the newly released shitfaggotgame 3, literally is eating into their potential sales and thus hurts the company.

>>737120230
why are these people so retarded
these "online only" games literally only require a ping from the server, they could literally change a couple words to make the "server" anything
it's not that big of a deal and i don't know why people keep trying to make it out as something they need to take time to do, it isn't, all these online things are literally just pinging a server to get an "okay"
it's not complicated to switch it from the server to whatever the fuck

>>737120230
>Relocating these mechanisms so that they work locally
That was never what they asked, get fucked jew.
No wait he's japanse, they're so bad even jews fear them because they get outjew'd

>>737121693
Then make the sequel an improvement to incentivize people to buy the new one...

What kind of phenomenon creates a society such as the Japanese one?
Where people defend companies no matter how shitty their practices are? How does one come to the conclusion that you're wrong for wanting to keep playing a game you enjoy?

>>737120563
They would only have to release the files after they take their own servers offline, meaning once the game no longer makes enough money for them to bother keeping it alive.

>>737120230
If the game is functionally dead, who gives a fuck about save file tampering?
These people are so fucking stupid. None of the shit he mentioned that "requires servers" actually fucking requires them. Games have had inventory systems and enemy ai since the goddamn SNES with no internet.
At most, if you want to play shit multiplayer, it requires a host system or server. Which you could theoretically host locally, or outsource it, like what you can do with Rust.

>>737121753
>Then make the sequel an improvement to incentivize people to buy the new one...
That takes a lot of effort, when they can just kill shitfaggotgame 2 and force people to buy 3 regardless of it's quality.

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>>737120230
Square is the last company on my mind when I think of game preservation.

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>>737120230
Honestly the japanese should be left out of this discussion.
They have nothing of value to contribute and they are literal decades behind when it comes to understanding how fans managed to revive massive games through backwards engineering.

>>737121693
>oh no why can’t we keep pumping out garbage? It’s hurting the company.
Not my problem

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>>737120230
>its literally impossible and will break the game
>it costs as much as creating a new game
>yet somehow some guy in his basement can do it in his free time

but vee told me that it is actually trivial to make these things work offline. you're telling me that the SKG commies are liars???

>>737120230
hoooohhh... thank you wiseu yerrow man... I gradry own nothing and be happy... would not want disrespectu honorabu nippon slop deveroper...

>>737121583
Devs have less access to your data if it's not on a server.

More cheating can happen if everything is client-side and if it's server side when the game is functioning there still needs to be a refactor at end of life that the company might not have money or staff to do.

>>737121669
I heard the same gay argument with Maxis and Simcity. Then they made the game work offline kek. Zero sympathy for game devs at this point. Getting rugpulled has been going on so long that the new law was overdue.

>>737120230
this is such a nonsense response, i don't think this guy gave it any thought desu

>>737120349
>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new games
Good. New games are full of fag jew nigger shit anyhow.

>>737121863
That doesn't make sense, tranny

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Why is there suddenly so much anti-Jap stuff on this board?

>>737121863
>Not my problem
Will be when you want to play the sequel and we 'accidentally' killed the previous game lmao.

>>737121895
All of this is avoided if the devs simply state: "continue playing on private servers at your own risk!" for the handful that wish to do so.

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>>737121882
>Nooo its too hard to make players host a game server on their pc or connect to someone elses

>>737120230
Or you just don't solve those problems and let the fans who run their own local servers solve them instead. No one is asking for businesses to be enslaved to their products. If your customers want to keep playing the game, all you need to do is give them the tools to do that. You don't need to so the work to make ot enjoyable, I promise you that if people loke your game enough to keep it going after EOS they will do that themselves as long as you give them the tools to do so.

But japan is wall-to-wall retro game stores. They can't be happy about games becoming a temporary service.

>>737121353
>PR disaster
Every single game that has done this has developed a strong memory and legacy. Carmack releasing the Linux source codes for Doom and Doom 2 has produced a heritage unlike any other. Bethesda games have longevity because of their SDK releases letting players rip shit open and do what they want. Source games are fun but their longevity extended from private servers for multiplayer and modularity in singleplayer (and oftentimes, both at once!). More people talk about X-COM UFO Defense and XCOM 2 than they do any other titles because both of those games have dedicated modding tools, XCOM 2 has a full-on SDK.
There's not a single game that lost PR from lifting the hood and letting players look inside.

>>737120230
>such as save file tampering,
yeah they own the game so they can do what they want with it

>>737121895
They can simply release the server files so you can run your own server.

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>>737120230
>who previously worked at game companies like Square and SNK

>>737120230
The shills are already seething about him

>>737121583
it is a big ask to force devs to do this work so a fraction of players can play the game offline

>>737121895
That's literally not dev's problem after EoS, though.

>>737121980
not sure who you are quoting but I agree with them, it is hard to do that for a game that was designed around server connection

>>737121957
>Why is there suddenly so much anti-Jap stuff on this board?
>>>/v/ is a Steam board.

>>737122032
>Theft is okay as long as it doesn't affect the majority of people
Interesting argument, explains jewish behavior.

>>737121957
Because a lot of Japanese gamers are glad that a fan project to resurrect a dead Nier game got shut down this week. A game that had no support and was canned.

>>737120349
>EU passes some gay bullshit laws
This part didn't even happen

>>737120230
>Weebs will now go against SKG because grorious Nihon devs told them to

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>>737120230
>NOOO, WHITU PUGGU, UNDERSTAN
>KIRR SWITCH IS ESSENTIAL FOR SERVICE

>>737121583
Only one I can actually think of is this might result in a temporary exacerbation of filesizes as developers move further and further down the anti-compression extreme. "We left an entire SDK for perpetual multiplayer in the files! That takes a lot of space, you know!" or some bullshit. That's genuinely the only one I can actually see happening if SKG succeeds.

>>737122089
how did counter strike do it in 1998 when devs cant do it in 2026

>>737121957
Anons who haven't been blinded by anime and the utopic worlds they portray have noticed that japs are all corpo puppets.

>>737121483
Capcom reasoning is "outdated infrastructure" but they have Frontier, which is a retrofitted Dos with a shitload of upgrades, that they could use as a base for the online part of PSP games
No clue why they just don't dump the project to newbie devs and cash in nostalgiafags
i'd rather have one single game with all oldgen gimmick and monsters, seems easier for them since they'll have to rewrite it from scratch

>>737122032
Then don't make the game reliant on their own proprietary servers in the first place. Let the tiny amount of people just use private servers if they wish to from day one.

What's the problem? cuz you can't nickel-and-dime them with a shop that lets kids abuse their parent's credit cards without oversight?

The user servers are always more fun, like in cs 1.6 or wow

>>737122010
that's an even bigger security risk for their current games. they don't just toss those things after EoS, they repurpose them for the sequel (and likely other games)

>>737122118
He's still seething about EU fucking his precious corpos.

>>737122142
Didn't you hear? Dedicated servers are a lost technology.

>>737121959
I don’t play games like you trannies.

>>737121957
Japanese gamers consistently side with mega-corporations acting malicious towards their own fans. It's really bizarre.

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I just think it's funny that we managed to get these old fogeys to discuss video games in a serious manner. The societal need for eternal Super Mario.

>>737120349
>t. haven't read the initiative
spare us your "wisdom" in the future narc

>>737122097
who are you quoting? no one is stealing anything

>>737120230
How hard is it to implement unlimited gacha for $9.99

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>>737120349
>>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new games
ULTRA BASED
WE ARE FINALLY COMING HOME

>>737120349
Please PLEASE try to actually know what SKG is before opening your mouth

>>737120349
The poor billion dollar corporations!

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>>737120230
It's not like companies was at one point in history completely capable of makings sdk's for private servers and lan p2p option of all their games..how could that even be possible to achieve....

>>737120349
>because they will have to support the game in perpetuity
Why does this bullshit argument always get parroted?

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>>737122256
MGO1+2 are already back my friend.
https://mgo2pc.com/portal/

>>737122163
Frontier does give the impression of being held together by 15 years of monthly applied ductape, but there's no reason for them not to put MHFU, 3U and 4U on modern platforms. Even MHGU is leaving us now that the Switch 1 is on its way out.

>>737122131
>>Weebs will now go against SKG because grorious Nihon devs told them to
Well what do you think anime is?
It's for mind controlling gaijins to think positively about japan.
If you don't believe look it up online, video games and anime are PR tools for the japanese state.

>>737120230
Sounds like the game was badly programmed if it requires everything to constantly be checked online. This wasn't a problem in 2005 why is it a problem now?
Make your games better and there won't be a problem.

>>737122142
counter strike isn't a live service game (mod?), retard.
>>737122165
yes, that is the problem. you should be honest if you think stop killing games actually means "i want to kill games I dislike"

lots of disinformation getting spread
it's as if there's some group interested in making people be against such a pro consumer action

>>737122253
I wished they never implemented gacha vidya in the first place

>>737120349
>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer
good way to moderate opinion of players in the games, no more le funny n word jokes or comments that could redpill the younger players. same as they want teenagers to not be able to access social media because they might get redpilled there too. if EU pushes something it is always to get more control over the opinion, never to help europeans.

This will surely cut down development times and make games cheaper like we all want

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>>737122207
sad but true

>>737121106
Reminder OP's post is by some Japan nigger and they all scream this is illegal and theft and if a game dies it should stay dead.

>>737121880
You don't understand, autists have the manpower of 1,000 men as long as it's some niche bullshit that only they care about.

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>>737122181
And? That's marketable. You make it once, give it a fancy brand name like "GAMECOMPANY'S SERVERTEK™" with a stupid logo, release it as its own software after Game 1 releases. Shit, justify your 600 man UI team's paychecks and get them to design a custom interface for it too. Game 2 comes out, and you can slap a logo on saying "SERVERTEK™ COMPATIBLE" and now you're already SKG-compliant and you have a neat feature for people who want private servers. Use some basic bitch documentation that tells the bare minimum so if anyone wants keys to the kingdom they need to experiment instead.

The dev-side version has its own properties so that on "official" servers they phone home for the purpose of moderation but if players don't care about official servers, they use the private SERVERTEK™ servers that don't phone home and come with a nice big warning of "These are unofficial servers made by third parties, we are not responsible for what happens when you don't use official servers."

>>737122492
they should hire autists to do this work then

>>737122340
I could see it happening with pc down the road. Sometimes I buy an old game on steam and it just doesn't work unless I patch it.

Asians routinely violate the rights of Western individuals and rights holders, but the moment they feel one of THEIR GAMES is being "misused" they go nuts...

>>737122436
Companies that can’t keep up will get filtered.

>>737122228
>so how do you play a marios with another marios? If the mayreeo isn't controlled by the player does he still do things while you're not watching?

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>>737122398
counter strike is twenty something years old live service game

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>>737120230
>Mechanisms that are essential for a game to function properly, such as progression tracking, inventory management, enemy behavior and reward calculations among many others, are supported by servers in an online
Remember when that was impossible to do with pic related until one modder did it, and then EA decided it was actually possible to separate the game from online aspect? All these statements from the industry are different shades of bullshit you need to just ignore.

>experts weight in
>they completely misconstrue what skg is actually asking for

>>737120230
>Experts
Lol. Lmao even.

>>737120349
>because they will have to support the game in perpetuity
thats like, textbook example of having no idea what SKG is about cause its 100% not about that and never asked that

>>737122431
You do realize that the market still has a desire for those games right? Megacorps might stop, but that just opens a ripe market for someone to swoop into. It's not hard to comply with these regulations.

If you think these rich corporations are going to give up their cash cow over a couple thousand dollars a year, you are retarded.

>>737120230
>jap sucking corporate overlord dick
what else is new

>>737121880
They just dont' want to admit they close the servers down because they are cutting costs and it's to stop spending money on the game.
Spending money to make it work offline is counter-intuitive to that.

>>737122525
The globalists are trying to kill off autists with transgenser stuff because they're too powerful when focused.

>>737122592
You're just supposed to blindly believe whatever corporations say because they have more money and thus know better than you.

>>737122612
It's literally just a former dev, he don't got a clue.

>>737120349
don't worry, yuropoors have never heard of the monkey's paw curl, so they're completely oblivious to why they're retarded commie niggers and why their shit will bite them in the ass in unexpected (by them) ways
just enjoy watching them suffer and cry with the rest of us when it happens

If you put the noose on, you take it off before you kick the chair away
If that sounds like too much bother, then don't put the noose on in the first place

These devs want to talk like the noose's presence in the first place is something you shouldn't even think about

>>737122592
no one is saying it's impossible, just that their is cost involved. SKG is forcing people to pay that cost

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>>737121957
>suddenly
it's mostly indians

>WE CAN'T DO THIS
>ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO PRESERVE THIS
>Japs want to sell game again
>Leech off of fans hard work because they lost the original source code

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2025/09/final-fantasy-tactics-devs-had-to-lean-on-fans-to-recover-original-source-code

Fucking lmao, they're always against until they want to sell it. THEN they start stealing from other people's work preserving the shit they should have kept intact

>>737120349
no they won't
no he wasn't
you're also gay and retarded and wrong

>>737122701
the cost is negligible

>>737122350
Frontier falls apart when there's too many people, but that's a limitation of the current server builds/host
I only "justify" them for MHFU since it never had online(not counting adhocparty)
But as you said, for 3U/4U/GU there's no excuse other than being lazy since they had something done already
GU should get a S2 patch at some point, if i'm not mistaken they found some data about it while digging inside wilds switch 2 files

>>737122612
it's almost like they have a vested interest in shutting it down so they can keep rugpulling people

>>737120297
fpbp, the live disservice industry needs to die.

>>737122612
>>they completely misconstrue what skg is actually asking for
I'm shocked by the number of people doing this. There's a goddamn SKG site out there. Read what it says. A lot of people seem to have assumptions about what SKG is doing and act as if it's not clearly laid out on their site.

>Japan is one person

>>737122729
the cost depends on the game

>>737122701
Weird how small indie games manage to have private servers but somehow it's too expensive for AAA

>>737122010
Do the big ball play and release the server files before you even release the game and STILL become a mega-hit game that makes so much 20 years later your garbage is still making money.

>>737122689
Americans also said this about the Common Charger Directive btw

What actually happened was that they complied instantly and Americans had to pay for it & they still don't get commons chargers lmao

>>737122780
no, it really is negligible either way

>>737120230
>Game reaches EOS
>Move everything to be local in like a week of work max
>Don't care that people can cheat because you ain't getting paid anymore anyway

>>737120230
Well he's a moron. If you can't make a game enjoyable without live service slop you shouldn't be making games.
Imagine if they turned off Dark Souls after stopping their servers. "noo, the game is simply not playable and fun without online functions"

>it wont le work without a server
this is games for windows live tier bullshit

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>>737122817
SHUCKS

>>737120230
>I empathize with you
>However it's not in our interest to do it
>So we won't
Every publisher argument

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This your fault for supporting GaaS and gachashit.

I can smell the brown coming from this thread, since the majority of freemium-type games players are shitskins from third world countries.

>>737122701
That is the cost of doing business. We do not let companies do whatever the fuck they want because it might cost them some money.

Would you let chemical companies dump their waste in your water supply? Trucking companies run people over because they were in the way of the delivery and might slow them down? Fishermen eradicate the local fish?

We have rules and regulations for good reason and it's about time these greedy game companies get some shit for all the horrible practices they've been doing for the past 2 decades.

>>737122592
What's funny is that it all started with The Crew, which has an offline mode built in but they kept it disabled and killed the game instead.

>>737122639
those games are mostly made by americans, this is why it doesn't bother the EU.

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>devs have people constantly maintaining games they release by fixing bugs and compiling/releasing patches
>but having these people make the game run offline or on private fan servers for their last update is TOO FAR
lmao what??? how is this a fucking argument?

>>737120349
>MMORPGS
Don't tell me you still play WoW in the current year, anon.

>>737120349
Private servers and revivals exist for quite a few online only games like wow even conpletely dead and abandoned ones like battleforge. These can exist without the effort or inputs of the original ip holders. The only thing that usually kills these projects are developers being faggots and sending cease and desist letters

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>You just want to keep old games forever and never make anything new again!
Uhh based? Maybe I should support SKG

>>737122792
no, that isn't weird and it isn't too expensive. you are either dumb or dishonest if you think price is the reason EA wants you to to deal with their servers
>>737122948
having games be server reliant is not a negative externality, that is the business model

What happens with games like Overwatch 1? Would it be required to be kept alive or is Overwatch 2 the same game just rebranded? Is it per SKU or per title?

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>>737122910
Yes, but apple still sells laptops using other types of charging mechanism for some reason.

i can smell the monkey paw, but seeing all the morons that cant makes me want to support it just so they can get raped by it just like with every retarded eu law

>>737122957
>Ubishit is so fucking incompetent that it gives enough material to start an entire movement (and also they get sued)
>Pirate Software is so unlikeable it gets people to to actually band together and get the required signatures
It's so fucking funny tbdesu

>>737122948
Couldn't have said it better.

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>Journo article
>Experts say:
Enough of your jewish tricks

>>737123058
how did the usb c thing rape anyone exactly?

>>737123047
Overwatch 1 got merged into Overwatch 2. They're basically the same game. Like how PSO2 got merged into PSO2 NGS so its two games in one.

>>737122181
i fail to see how this is a security risk at all. you still have to authenticate even if you know how the server works

>>737123087
Ubisoft wasn't being incompetent, they were being malicious.
They took away a game from paying customers because they were angry not enough people bought it.

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>expert

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>>737120297
That's the hopeful outlook, cause what is going to stop developers pulling a PSO2 NGS?
>new product they want you play instead is released
>the old one is kept playable but not before some final updates to make it dogshit
And Sega clearly only bothered to do any of this as an exploitable loophole to keep their countless collabs still usable in their next game.

>>737123058
How do you think games worked before the internet became widespread? The only monkey paw here is developers have to start making PRODUCTS instead of services again.

>>737120230
KEEEEEEEEK SKGDRONES IN SHAMBLES

>>737120349
At this point this has to be a bait. They don't have to support anything nor revive dead servers. They have to provide tools for community servers to exist, that's it. Whoever hosts the server pays for it, not the companies. This shit has existed decades now.

>>737123128
im sure you will say that when a newer better standard comes along but eu is still stuck with usb c

>>737123141
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

>>737120349
>>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuity
>>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new games
That sounds actually based wtf

>>737123128
These people would unironically argue against standard currency values and weights, saying that everyone should be have the "freedom" to mint their own money in whatever style they can manage.

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Hard not to be an EU shill. They're the only body of government that does things for me.

>>737123058
The only monkey paw is corporations finally being forced to make real video games again like in the 90s and 2000s and stop scamming people like a con artist.

If that's a monkey's paw. Then sure. Go for it.

>>737121106
They'd rather sit on their ip and do nothing with it for 20 years than to ever let anything compete with their products

>>737123128
>>how did the usb c thing rape anyone exactly?
>Innovation
>Satus:
>Destroyed
You cannot have magsafe on iPhones now.

>>737120230
>introducing dedicated servers
>something we had 20 years ago
>is harder than gaymers think
Fuck off.

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>SKG force publishers to add private servers to their games
>Now neither Japan or the US release their games in Yuropistan

Europe is an irrelevant market anyways, it's mostly sadniggers buying PS5 and FIFA or whaterver semen slurping sport game is popular there.

I mean regardless of the level of traction it would only be a go forward expectation. Current and defunct games wouldn't be expected to.

>>737123223
so you actually have no argument, gotcha

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>>737120230
The solution is to not make low effort live service games. It's not hard right? They used to do it.

>>737122436
I'm sure if this doesn't pass games will go back to being 60 dollars, don't cost over 300 million to make and won't flop without 10 million sales.

>>737123268
yeah really...
>devs make good games again
>BUT
>devs can't scam gamers out of their money anymore
wow what a disastrous outcome! lol

>>737120349
>Pirate Software
Hi Jason, thanks for the random self promo

>>737123232
why not? so actual evil/malice can always have plausible deniability? fuck that

>>737123232
...why not both, actually they usually come in a pair.

>>737123223
>im sure you will say that when a newer better standard comes along but eu is still stuck with usb c
NTA but before that the EU had a law requesting smartphone makers to use micro-usb, so moving to a newer standard isn't blocked with this.

>>737120230
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T ENJOY THIS GAME WITHOUT OUR MONETIZATION!!!!
Wrong and gay.

>>737120230
They should just be forced to release their full network code with source when the service ends so fans can run their own servers. Why must something so simple be hard? Fans are perfectly capable to jury rig code even if it had some issues. Beats having to reverse engineer it by a long shot

How many game modes exist nowadays that we take for granted originally started out as a mod or dedicated server? How many game genres, entire GENRES worth billions today, started as one guy's idea on a server he ran with his friends?

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>>737122910
anyone insane enough to resent this standardization really needs to go back couple of decades when proprietary was the norm. you had so many useless chargers and cables.

>>737123337
NTA but the argument is that it impedes progress
To make it analogous to SKG, imagine trying to make a game that connects to some generative AI server work locally

>>737123232
The stupid part was that Ubisoft expected everyone to just bend over and take their malicious actions.

>>737123412
We have strong enough priors for stupidity to be easily assumed. It's malice all the way by now.

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>PLEASE DON'T SHUT DOWN MY GAAS FOREVER GAME SLOP
>I PAID FOR IT
>I PAID FOR THE SKINS
>I PAID FOR THE GEMS
>I PAID FOR THE UPGRADES
>I PAID FOR THE ROLLS
>I PAID FOR IT ALL
>IT'S MINE
>YOU CAN'T TAKE AWAY MY ACCOUNT
>MY WAIFUS
>MY LIFE

>>737123461
Tossing my cord drawer felt so liberating.

>>737123513
Arguments: 0

>>737123487
The problem is corporations are too close to competitors and too far from consumers.
Basically unless you're a heartless bastard, you just get out-competed by the heartless bastards.

>>737123330
>>Now neither Japan or the US release their games in Yuropistan
It's simply a matter of calculating cost. I very much doubt anyone would just give up on the European market.

>>737123549
Americans would rather be sent to the gulag than have corporations regulated for the good of the consumer. They can't even imagine that governments could exist to serve the people.

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>>737120230
The way I see it when it comes to preserving art and actionable hobbies the Japs see it completely different than Westerners or any other culture to begin with. Japanese have confucius and Shinto ways of life they follow which makes them adhere to certain beliefs. They hold more reverence for the artist, author and/or engineer over the creations themselves and that is confucius and Shintoism to a t. So it's no surprise they're so giga cucked when it comes to game preservation. They are the last ones that should have a seat at this conversation

>>737120230
>Relocating these mechanisms so that they work locally, he explains, leads to a plethora of new problems to solve, such as save file tampering, synchronization issues and data inconsistencies upon resuming the game.
So don't implement it until you're going to shut the servers down.

>>737123378
Some of that is just inflation. Salaries go up when cost of living goes up and games won't be getting cheaper without more pajeet outsourcing.

>>737120230
So you think devs will maliciously comply and make the offline or private server mode shit for some reason or another?

>>737120349
>Yet again Americans only get rights when the EU fights for them

>>737120349
Kill yourself.

>>737123619
>Japs never created anything of value but want to destroy everything so their slop can't be called out for being inferior
Yeah that does sound like the japanese way of thinking

>>737123619
...brother they are just the ultimate result of a top down feudal society, warlord say-peasant obey.

>>737120230
How are any of these problems being brought up even a consideration AFTER the end of life the game? Oh no, save synchronization, what a tremendous problem for a piece of software you are trying to disable forever.

>>737123619
>Japanese have confucius and Shinto ways of life they follow which makes them adhere to certain beliefs. They hold more reverence for the artist, author and/or engineer over the creations themselves and that is confucius and Shintoism to a t
No that's bullshit, their empire is build on stealing form the west just like the Chinese.

>>737123513
You don't play or enjoy ANY online games with ANY kind of central server dependency?

That seems like quite a claim, yet somehow there are people like that in every thread about this

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>>737120230
Translation.
>We know our game is a bare-bones Carrot on a Stick designed to extract money from users and would be a shit game by any other metric so we dont want to make it offline so people can acualy play it wo all of the above bullshit and confirm this.

>>737122541
Holy fucking shit for the thousandth time this is not what Stop Killing Games is about. They dont have to make their shit work forever, SKG is about right to repair so that publishers cant intentionally brick games then throw a fit about people unfucking them. Under Stop Killing Games proposed legislation, if a game losses support and say doesnt work with the current version of Windows, and nobody makes a patch for it thats fine, just make it so that if somebody were to want to fix the game they can so that the people that paid for it can still use it.

Holy fucking shit /v/ is retarded. Do not comment on Stop Killing Games if you have not even read their FAQ.

>>737123695
What could they do that couldn't be easily reversed or changed by the users after they start running a server?

>>737123057
those support usb-c charging also, which makes adding an extra proprietary charging port fair game it seems

>>737123619
There's also that the Japanese way of life is so painful that their games and entertainment are necessarily about buying and owning, not experiencing. It's where all the Gacha stuff comes from. They work so much that they don't have time to enjoy any of it, but they have the money to buy. And so owning is the biggest part of the hobby.

>>737120349
>because they will have to support the game in perpetuity
No they won't. They just have to provide a way for it to be played offline or via private server. Games used to have LAN and direct modes by default until these faggots started forcing everything onto a centralized server (and making you fucking login to their website to even play single player games).
>>now companies will also have to throw away money to revive dead servers for PS3/360 era games for the one (1) person on the planet who still plays it instead of developing new games
No they won't. There's no chance it's going to be enforced retroactively.
You are an industry shill faggot spreading misinformation.

I kinda support dedicated servers because I remember there was a humongous faggot who was hoarding the server files for some Marvelslop MMO for himself, not letting anyone other than his circle of friends to play the game.

Something worse than a publisher not releasing the files for a dedicated server is some nigger, which for ego reasons, keeps them for himself.

>>737123695
games becoming more expensive because of the increased costs or/and less games that this applies to in general
and thats assuming the eu doesnt smuggle its own bullshit into whatever law they decide on

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>>737120230
>Japanese

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>>737120230
Then make everything offline and add a multiplayer mode on top as side content

>>737123619
That's true. Plus they have the luxury to just, you know, live alongside said artists. If I was chatting up Kaga at a café every weekend I wouldn't pirate his games.

>>737120230
>4chan is communist now
yikes

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>>737120230
meanwhile, an entirely online game that is about to get shut down has said offline version is coming out this very year

>>737120230
>save file tampering
Literally not an issue. It's effectively a single player game at that point, or a "multiplayer with known buddies".
>synchronization issues
>data inconsistencies upon resuming the game
"it works on my server but definitely won't work on yours!" is a retarded argument. Almost all modern servers run on Docker or reproducible virtual machines. Almost any consumer computer or laptop can run a bunch of servers at once. And you don't even need most servers/services.
>but it's hard to change this!
The law wouldn't be retroactive. Also, honest work is always harder than scams.

>>737123927
>Communism is when good things happen
I see. Are you sure you're not a communist?

>>737123909
Should've posted about better series, then the japs wouldn't be threatened by him exposing their low effort slop for what it is

>>737123927
Always has been. NAZBOL.

>>737121693
This argument have always been bullshit, there are a fuckton of games that can be played "forever" that have sequels that did better sales wise. The devs just needs to make BETTER SEQUELS to actually compete with themselves and if they can't do that then how about they just keep updating the current game with DLC? There is literally no way an old game existing would make a new game existing a net-loss unless the new game is worse in comparison to the old game in every single way

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>>737120349
>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuity
This would improve videogames and would give western AAA woke slop proper Korean Kino competition

>>737123927
>refusing to get scammed now is being commie

Fuck off

>>737123892
>Something worse than a publisher not releasing the files for a dedicated server is some nigger, which for ego reasons, keeps them for himself.
Why would this happen if anyone can access them?

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>>737120230
Based japan is always correct

>>737120230
>Relocating these mechanisms so that they work locally, he explains, leads to a plethora of new problems to solve, such as save file tampering, synchronization issues and data inconsistencies upon resuming the game.
Sounds like a (You) didnt manage the game enough

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Europeans are all about preserving the past. Kind of weird how the Japanese don't care to do so since it's their stuff being preserved. Shit like this is why we have to steal art from shitholes to put in a museum.

>>737123989
>Should've posted about better series, then the japs wouldn't be threatened by him exposing their low effort slop for what it is
I only read the isekai clearly written for women and girls, because then I can watch a true sociopath at work, at least then it's all coherent.

>>737120230
From what I've seen from the Japs the last few days I think it's safe to say they're fucking stupid and just making shit up to justify their stupid opinions.

>>737123927
don't you have a street to shit on lmao

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>>737123927
>>4chan is communist now
Correction
>Liberal
This is pretty much another version of Don't Tread on Me

>>737123927
>industry shill desperately calling something communist so right wingers will reject it
Are you frightened you might have to make eleventy billion dollars instead of twelvety billion dollars?

>>737123908
Then I simply won't buy them and their company will die, not my problem.

>>737120469
This is 100% correct. Also it's not as impossible even now. Many games are developed in a way where the developers run locally hosted game servers with 3rd party services (payments, etc.) removed or run game servers in easily reproducible and well documented test environments such as remote docker containers which you'd be able to run on almost any PC.

t. another Software Engineer

>>737121106
This holy shit, hearing them it sounds like it's some herculean impossible task with 3 billions parameters. Like how hard is it to put the server code on github once you want to stop running the game?

>>737124130
That should be your first telltale sign that it's not real japanese people posting these things.

>>737120230
Realistically there are 2 ways of handling this from a developer standpoint, either put some effort into it and try to make it work, ideally early on start thinking about what happens when the game flops or reaches EoS so you have a one click update ready when that happens. The other way is to simply abandon the project and leave it in the hands of the community. The funny thing is that for games that matter there are always some autists ready to do the work for you and keep the game alive, you don't even need SKG laws, if game companies weren't greedy litigious kikes SKG wouldn't even be a thing.

As for this whole EU parliment thing, watch as it ends with nothing more than a mandatory disclaimer for games with an online component while they use the opportunity to sneak in some dystopian shit like mandatory ID to play online.

>>737123218
>They have to provide tools for community servers to exist, that's it.
And we don't fucking want to do it, and we're not gonna do it, simply put. Under any circumstances. It's that simple.

>>737124145
this is about getting on your knees and begging the government to tread on game devs

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>>737121693
Practice has shown previous games always retain a fraction of the player base UNLESS you really fucked up the new one. Of course, this was before live service games took over the industry.

>>737124157
oh you aren't even hiding the commie bit now

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>>737124094
>Europeans are all about preserving the past.
This. Mutts and Japs just don't have the perspective we do.

>>737120230
>save file tampering being an issue for an offline single player game
wow really grasping for straws here
anyway
Capcom could do it with X Dive
Nintendo could do it with Animal Crossing
Every single mobileslop game could have an offline version instead of getting nuked there is no excuse

>>737124197
Why, pray tell, should we prioritize corporations' rights to tread on citizens over the citizens' welbeing? Fucking bootlicker.

>>737123991
>Always has been. NAZBOL.
Commies are filthy subhumans that never belonged here
FYI I'm not agreeing with that faggot shill. Stop Killing Games is based.

>>737120349
>now game companies will no longer make MMORPGS or games with any online component like coop or multiplayer because they will have to support the game in perpetuity
I don’t get it. Where’s the bad news in them killing normalfag games that only normgroids play and care about?

>>737121583
The only valid complaint I can come up with is the risk of pushing bigger devs to go full on subscription for their games, like a sort of publisher subscription and that somehow not bankrupting them.
I however don't think they'll ever be able to make that work hence it is a very minor risk.

>>737120230
Ironically Vtubers shilling for PC for japanese audience started working the moment japs realized how many older games you could play as PC ports.

>>737120349
This has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Nobody's forcing anyone to reassign developers to games from 20 years ago, and devs/ publishers are not going to abandon lucrative genres just because they have to plan for end-of-support periods, you complete fool.

>>737124160
>easily reproducible and well documented test environments such as remote docker containers
You're overestimating baseddevs.

>>737120230
I guarantee all of these can be moved from a database to a save file for local play

>>737124169
Ubisoft said allowing people to run their own servers is impossible because it's a safety issue since people may say "nigger" and only the publisher can moderate and protect the users

>>737124197
>nooooo the government is only for being used against you, don't ever play by the rules of the game to advocate for yourself!

>>737124169
sometimes they literally cannot release it because they don't own the code
other times
it can also be a liability if someone uses it hack people
it can also fuck with their other games if they use they reuse anything

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>>737120230
>Mechanisms that are essential for a game to function properly, such as progression tracking, inventory management, enemy behavior and reward calculations among many others, are supported by servers in an online environment. Relocating these mechanisms so that they work locally, he explains, leads to a plethora of new problems to solve, such as save file tampering, synchronization issues and data inconsistencies upon resuming the game.
Now I finally understand the relationship between modern architecture and the pyramids.
It's the exact same thing.
So much knowledge has been lost over time thanks to retards that the thought of past generations creating things like games that run on a single computer is ushered only in the deepest parts of schizophrenic conspiracy theory chats.
Absolutely incredible to be a part of the downfall of an outdated civilisation and its technology. Nobody will ever know what an amazing era we lived in and it is all thanks to stupid, greedy and ideological faggots.

>>737124197
>nooo, not the heckin multi billionaireninios!!! why won't you let them continue rugpulling people in peace, sheesh...
lmao pathetic fag

>>737124197
>this is about getting on your knees and begging the government to tread on game devs
Too much bad faith coming out of this post, I won't bother to refute it.

>>737124094
Japanese believe in the impermanence of all things, Europeans believe in preserving history and achieving immortality through art and great deeds. Incompatible worldviews.

>>737124190
Well you'll have to. And until then players will figure out how to do it themselves like they already do for WoW or other games.

>>737122238
Removing access from something I purchased is by definition theft.
>inb4muhEULAsays
Isn't applicable outside of muttland.

>>737121693
when are highguard 2 and concord 2 coming out?

>>737124263
>being anti-greed is communist
Nope. I'm pro-capitalism, I'm just anti-you. If all corporations disappeared overnight the world would be much bette roff.

>>737120349
Dedicated server tools you fucking mook.

>>737124412
Whoa buddy, if all that stuff is moved client side how can they ensure you aren't modding in all these exclusive cars or weapon skins for free? Or making custom maps and game modes?

>>737124376
entire "digital games" is a weird walled off garden for japanese players. for all, so many have radically different pricing and even releases on steam so japanese's retail can be kept on life support. someone post that anime girl ranting about how japanese players are nickel and dimed for japanese language packs.

>>737120297
Lol they'll just not release FIFA '28 or GT8 in Europe and let the silent majority of gamers there bitch and get whatever the EU cooks up revoked.

>>737120230
after nuking japan, the americans should've continued the war anyway just to kill more of them

>>737124398
Trust me, a ton of mid-sized dev teams do this. I think it's mostly just the old big corporate studios that still do shit by hand in the most inefficient way possible.

>>737121353
>Imagine the PR disaster, ABANDONED GAME BREAKS PLAYER RECORDS
How is this a disaster? As soon as you get a good headline like this, you immediately announce a sequel and make lots of money

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This is just another distraction from the Teraleak files