How do I git gud at TOME?

>>562469285
play ranged class and equip movement infusion

best way to prevent "hump every wall for secret" gameplay?

>>562471220
Add a meaningful hunger clock. Doesn't have to literally be hunger.

>>562471301
I don't want to make a hunger clock directly but I probably will make a consumable that checks the wall for secret.

>>562471485
Steal the bombs from Zelda?

>>562477129
Yeah but that would require making the "secret" a lot more obvious, like a weak wall.
Maybe that's not too bad of an idea, people miss obvious shit all the time.

g

>>562487064
-ozag welcomes you!

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>lmao in TLG I can garb-n'-drag searchlights turrets to my base for free lighting
>You're having fun the wrong way! We can't have that. Patched ;)
I can't possibly think of a more retarded mindset to have as a dev for a sandbox game.
Cutting down the bloat and cranking up the challenge is cool. But treating the game like a competitive FPS, taking away option from the player on worldgen and being hostile towards modding? Utterly braindead.

And this isn't even the worst thing going on with the fork. For some fucking reason the dev is also doubling down on the tedium.
Skills take longer to learn, fast learned trait isn't selectable anymore and most practice recipes don't exist. Even basic zombies will fuck your shit up too, so leveling up melee skills is always a huge gamble (and healing takes forever now, exacerbating the issue).
Dev cut off skill rust on grounds of characters not lasting long enough for it to matter, and then makes it so it takes two in game years to bring a skill to a workable level. What was the thinking behind this?

It pisses me off because there's some good ideas sandwiched between the truly horrid decisions, like the aforementioned ability to [g]rab zombies and chuck them down balconies.
And it's somehow more fun than DDA despite all. But that isn't saying much.

>>562471485
The scroll of magic mapping is older than you are.

>>562491021
ok unc let's get you to bed now

Suddenly, the general collapses!

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*raises spork*
Should we move to /vrpg/?

>>562499731
This general is too fast for /vrpg/
The one thread I visit there lasts months

>>562499731
Roguelikes are /vst/ material, not /vrpg/
Change my mind

>>562502005
*o tab fo 5h straight*
Hmm, very strategic

>>562502769
Nice MiBe roleplaying anon

george floyd rip

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I O + tabbed myself out of a promising run again

>>562489203
>lmao in TLG I can garb-n'-drag searchlights turrets to my base for free lighting
>You're having fun the wrong way! We can't have that. Patched ;)
Don't report any exploits to github / forum / rlg, keep them to yourself.

>>562517274
>rlg
No one believed me but I know at least one fucker hangs around here that reports strategies.

The nice thing about Brogue is that if you auto explore you'll be killed 15 seconds into your run when it tries to fight an Eel on depth 2 so you're forced to pay attention immediately.

>>562512805
and again

>>562528951
if it's that bad you can change the autofight_stop to a higher number than 50

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First win on Jvpiter Hell.
Disgusting build, just start firing once and everything is dead by the time I get to cover. I did get carried by Hammerhead though.

Is there a "true" ending ? It ended sort of abruptly.

>>562528951
and again

I should really just take things slow but the O + Tab siren call is too tempting, the early game is just so bland
>>562529651
or that, maybe I'll set it to 70, might help a bit
The problem is more jumping straight into a pack of Gnolls with little recourse and I'm left quaffing random shit hoping to Xom that it's a healing potion
Skill issue, I know

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>start brogue run
>+2 spear of force in vault in d2
>"oh sick now to just get something better than base lether and we're balling"
>no armor by D5
>cursed armor on D8
>cursed fucking banded mail from a goblin summoner
>no goddamn armor up to D14
i died half because centaurs and half because at that point i was just tired of having no goddamn armor and stopped giving a shit
seed was 422622878 if you want to tell me that "oh actually there was a blessed banded mail with some sick enchants bro lmao" on D15
at least there was a butload of detect magic potions

>>562530365
I'd rather have any heavy weapon than a force runic thoughbeit

>>562531065
yeah true but force funny

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>>562530365
Do seeds work between versions? There's a blessed spear in the other vault (I got the war pike), but there's a plate and scale mail in this one.

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>>562532660
yeah it can't be the same can it

>>562532660
yeah thats the same vaults, normal spear is the force on there
also oh
i forgot the scale mail was there, since i grabbed the awarness ring
>>562532958
thats the cursed armor and wow how did i mess up where i saw what in this run i feel like a jackass for that
also since you'er doing the seed on D10 the vault axe has a confusion run if you're interested

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>>562533184
oh lol nevermind then. I am already all in on War Pike, just need the transfer ring.

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>>562533325
I'm gonna do something dumb and splat, why are there so many allies

>>562533914
i seriously dont know, bet if i picked the war pike too i wouldnt even be here and instead i'd be still in the run with all of them since it seemed like it could be real strong
the wands you have on you around this point should be invis and beckoning if i remember right

>>562534196
Yeah I'm just on d10 now, a Wraith triggered the water trap from behind lel

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>>562534371
what a nefarious fucking hidden vault

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I love it when you get loads of allies it's like a tactics game

>>562534760
>it's like a tactics game
wish you could command them somewhat, they are pretty stupid normally

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>>562534984
yeah like chasing wisps onto flammable ground

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I found your shitty armor. When everyone else dies I'll switch to stealth ring and hopefully make it out with leather. I'm running out of bag space.

>>562535536
yeah thats my boy right there, as dogass as i recall
>I'm running out of bag space.
i had like 5 potion of confusion at some point, the throwable during this run are plenty
if you get to D15+ do tell if there is an actually good armor so i can throw my PC up and into my face like a boulder trap from rage

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>>562535824
This floor is why I think War Pike is underrated. Each heavy weapon solves a different issue, sword/hammer for single target bullshit, axe for surrounded. Pike is best against centaurs and casters that like to keep range which are the most dangerous stuff. Nothing else has an easier time against Dar mages and Ogre shamans. Gonna take a break and then die immediately when I get back like usual.

>>562536603
>Each heavy weapon solves a different issue, sword/hammer for single target bullshit, axe for surrounded. Pike is best against centaurs and casters that like to keep range which are the most dangerous stuff.
yeah they can be great, and i really should break my habbit of always going for the normal versions of them, but fuck if the hype of getting something like multiplicity on an axe isnt worth gambling a run away sometimes

>>562537250
It's good to get into a habit of grabbing vault weapons and using them early to ID via kills and you can use the call function to write on the weapon what else is in the vault when it turns out to be +0. One str pot with 13str lets you use swords axes and rapiers well enough. After a certain point you just have to give up on getting runics.

>>562530365
I have no idea how you are supposed to deal with centaurs other than wands

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Resuming, I always die after breaks so here goes. There's a captive troll on d:15 this game has had crazy ally luck but no wand of empowerment sadly.

>>562546571
If you have a spear/pike/whip you can kill them through doors. What normally happens is they walk through the door then take a step back using their enhanced movespeed, but you can ignore this with ranged weapons. If you don't have one and don't have consumables or an attack staff you have to use the stairs, you get one hit in then switch levels and repeat.

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>>562535824
Another ally and uncursed banded mail on D16.

>>562547292
>discorded and para trapped on d:17
fault, I wasn't paying attention. aaaaa fuck pixies. Anyway that was very winnable

Good night rlg

consent-like

>they just removed blade traps from cdda
lmao

Siralim Ultimate is a roguelike and it also mogs Path of Achra. Check this Cheibriados approved strategy and team: >>562574376

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>>562574948
>Siralim Ultimate is a roguelike

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Maybe I can't read combat stats as well, but looking at the stats of many combat knives in Cataclysm (image is TLG) always bother me, because they look kinda shit.
Hunting knife, a tool that even advertises as being for butchering than combat, seems better than the trench knife, a knife that's specifically for combat.

>>562585030
Stab is nicer than cut, and the block ablity is also good. I think weight factors in somewhere other than just making the weapon slower, but don't recall how.
You can also mount a trench knife as a bayonet IIRC

>>562586448
This, you don't normally get the blocking ability with knives.

>>562590362
What does blocking do

>>562593260
It reduces damage when you get attacked but has a chance to deteriorate your weapon (or arm/leg guards if limb blocking). The number of times you can block per turn depends on your martial style and weapon skills.

rlg will die today
all slavs are orthodox and they celebrate easter

>>562547292
>uncursed banded mail on D16.
>decent armor was 2 floors away
Damnit, just my luck huh
>Anyway that was very winnable
Looking at it now, yeah, but man did it not feel like it in the moment

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good ol' glass cannon decj of veh, spamming quivered firestorm at literally everything that enters view. Haven't had any mp problems yet.

>>562600125
Which magic schools did you level up?

>>562600389
fire and conjuration got the most but also translocation forgecraft earth

Is Hepliaklqana even any good? I always pick it when I don't have a specific build in mind without invoking and it ends up just being sort of okay

>>562607159
The ancestor trivializes basically any enemy that doesn't lock down your movement, because you can just walk away if the fight is going badly. If you're not getting caught in bad positions then you never really have to worry about bad dice rolls. It's a very consistent god if you keep it between you and the enemy and don't fight anything without your ancestor up.

>>562593260
When you get attacked, the attack goes through several layers of defenses. First, you attempt to dodge to negate all the damage. If that fails, you attempt to block. If you can't block (no arm/leg blocking ability or no wielded weapon blocking trait and the necessary skill to use said trait), the damage is filtered through worn armor values. If you DO block, depending on the quality of your blocking ability, the incoming damage is reduced by a percentage, and only then does it hit armor. You normally get 1 dodge and 1 block attempt "per turn", so if multiple enemies are attacking you at the same time, the attempts get exhausted and your armored body gets hit directly. I'm not sure what "per turn" actually means though. Is it one second? Or the next moment you recover from an action? Dunno.
Martial arts can add extra attempts to your block or/and dodge stack. Martial arts also enable arm and leg blocking. "Brawling" gives you arm blocking for example. Martial arts can also directly improve the effectiveness of blocking.
The trench knife is more difficult to obtain than say the army bayonet almost every zombie soldier drops. The army bayonets have much higher damage output than the trench knife, but they can't block. If you're fighting common zeds, you probably don't need blocking at all after a point, so using a bayonet would be "better". Bayonets are also simpler to replace due to their abundance, if you'd rather avoid doing repairs. Fighting harder hitting opponents you can't dodge well would sometimes be better with a trench knife, although the bayonet's higher damage could end the fight quicker as well.
So what DO you put in your ankle sheath as the very last resort weapon? I just use common bayonets anyway because I like ending the fight quicker, and the trench knife is worse at piercing armor. Trench could be better as a primary though. You could always roleplay mr stabby and carry a blocking knife, a stabbing knife, and tons of throwing knives.

House of Necrosis is quite fun. Enjoying doing a couple of runs while having my morning coffee before I get ready for work. Each run is short, even for a mystery dungeon game and its very enjoyable in small chunks. A big problem is though is that the game itself seems to decrease the brightness of my monitor which persists after the game is closed. Only thing that fixes is a restart of the computer.

Wester

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9wN_XYf5Fc

>>562607673
So you should be picking the fighter ancestor at all times to act as a meat- er- ghost shield?

>>562608369
this was written by ai

I don't understand why the game recommends Strength as the main stat for the Withering One in ToME.
Just shy of literally everything they do scales with magic, is darkness or blight element, and has a minimum range of 3. Sure, they have a conditional free mainhand swing attatched to two of their skills, but why in the world wouldn't I throw a darkness staff on them and just scale my skills harder while pumping cunning for crit instead of slapping some limp-dick bump damage on top? Is there something I'm not seeing? Because this feels like a trap.

>>562630054
No, because too many other people had that thought, and the devs nerfed the fighter based on usage statistics. The battlemage and hexer were always good, and they didn't get nerfed like the fighter, so just use them.

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Achra chads run this general.

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I just died in Zot because I forgot to equip my corrosion resistance against orbs of entropy. Why do I suck so bad?

>>562650301
Achra conditioned me to exclusively play o-tab builds in Crawl.

What are some good schools to combo with alchemy besides fire?

>>562662019
They all have good spells so it depends more on what spells you find and what your aptitudes are. Biggest thing is that you need a spell to beat the orb type in your game.

>>562662019
>>562670501
what game

>>562677206
Barbie Mystery Dreamhouse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j820vlCc03k

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Crazy how the older I get, the faster the years go by.

>>562689116
>20 years
>game still not complete
Star Citizen of roguelikes

>>562695349
More like the average Roguelike of Roguelikes

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>Stoneshart

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>Dungeon: 5
I will never understand this game and its item distribution.

>>562704685
I'm assuming it's an out of depth spawn. Shit like finding greyswandir laying on the ground randomly in nethack. I mean, it's fun to find cool shit rarely sometimes and doesn't really fuck up balance because anyone who was going to win will win regardless and everyone else is just going to die.

>>562704863
sure
i mean shit like finding 14 different scrolls and no scroll of identify early is just bad design i guess.

playing as a fighter or wiz you always get useless rings early, if minotaur you always find good helmets that you cant wear.

>>562705060
Eh, the game isn't supposed to give you things you need, and definitely isn't supposed to make sure you don't things you don't need. If it did, you wouldn't keep wanting to crank the slot machine. It's not only good design, it's what makes the game fun.

>>562705060
Murphy's law in action
Though with the sheer volume of loot you get mid game you're guaranteed to get at least one piece of specific to your build game winning gear

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I'll probably get banned for this, but its a game, and a roguelike at that-

I've replayed this game several times now, and gotta say its quite enjoyable. It's not overly complex, and its got fun takes on weapon usage and environmental kills (mainly bonking people with telekinetically launched objects.)

It's got a story. Kinda divorced from the actual material, but who cares really.

It's free, and doesn't look the worst for what it is.

Kinda hope they add more content to it. Maybe something for after the main story, new weapons, changes to the combat like being able to use your magic or tossing a grenade while reloading. Some new trials would be neat.

>>562705709
>I haven't heard of this one bef-
fucking hell

>>562704685
There has to be lucky out of depth spawns too when there's unlucky ones

>>562711098
Shit like that happening just means the next 5 floors of dungeon and most of lair will be boring until the difficulty catches up to your charater.

>>562633009
I don't think it was.

https://youtu.be/SpusvtP5P-U?t=28

One of the refugee center quest objectives is to get data from some lab. I dunno if this one is particularly shitty or if the quest one is supposed to be this type, but it has a tear in reality on the ground level. I've been avoiding the place for a long time because I heard that cancer starts pouring in when it's in your reality bubble, but I wanna finish the quest, so I went in. This lab is a 5x5 complex with a parking lot on one side, the main building on the other, and an outer wall surrounding the place. Used a sledgehammer to break the outer wall in a corner and started clearing hostiles looking for the stairs down. Among the expected security/scientist/soldier zombies and the security bots, there was also a gracken, slimes, 2 unseen hunters, a thing called a "blank body" I've never seen before. I'm starting to think this is some sort of xenobiology lab or whatever. Still looking for the stairs, I then ran into a flaming eye. I've been stared at by flaming eyes before with disastrous results, and I just ran then. I now have a 5 point anchor, and I heard it protects you from their aids stare, so I killed it in melee. Still unsure if it does anything, but I kept checking my status during and after the engagement and there was neither nausea nor "tainted mind", so I guess it does. Now I ran into a "star vampire". I heard it was some particularly dangerous thing, but either my character got lucky with dodges, or the hub soldier armor is particularly good for them. The vampire died without the character taking damage. But now I'm wondering if it's the lab or if it's the portal spawning these things.
Would it be a better idea to manually tunnel into the necessary underground level to avoid dealing with the possibly portal-spawned monsters? Maybe I should look into getting in from the subway tunnels?

Do you guys think the roguelike format makes it too hard to tell a good story? Like you need that randomization and replayability, so a set narrative doesn't really mesh with those elements? I know Qud has a pre-set story, but it's the only one I can think of.

>>562726998
>I know Qud has a pre-set story
And the game really suffers from it

>>562726998
I'm working on a roguelike with a cohesive story.
My opinion is that you just need to isolate out the less important story details such as
>how the character gets from point A to point B
>what kind of challenges they meet along the way
And flesh out the story at point A and point B individually, then you can still write a cohesive story while maintaining a lot of roguelike aspects

>>562727232
This is the kind of thing I've been looking for, honestly. I always wanted a game that would cut to another form of presentation, like comic book style or something, when you entered a new area of the game. I guess it just doesn't happen because roguelikes are made by people without a lot of resources or expertise in other fields.

>>562726998
It works with not character driven story, obviously
Deepest lore about the world and factions and stuff
Cogmind does it well, Qud not really, and I can't think of any other relevant RL

>>562727553
I'm actually adding cutscenes in my Roguelike, just need to make them look less sloppy somehow

How do I know when I spent too much time in Quasimorph and my save is borked? Right now everyon is around Tech level 5-6, I can do lower difficulty missions but as soon as it gets harder I don't stand a chance anymore. Got tons of stuff from missions and my proxy corp to trade, but I am severely lacking higher tier armor, armor components and most of all can't travel around that much anymoreto buy more stuff. I yeeted most of my good equimpent trying to do the mission that get syou the fission bomb so I can build the Quasimorphic drive, but by now my gear has degraded so much that my guys get oneshotted by the Plasma pistols, so I'm kinda stuck. What to do?

>>562726998
You could take the Fromsoft approach, hiding your story into item descriptions and rare snippets of dialogue.

>>562726998
It would be pretty easy to have a "proper" story in any *Bang game, just force you back to town after x floors and exposition dump. Stuff like Etrian Odyssey's main story could be grafted onto a roguelike.

>>562738524
You'd just skip it after your third splat, it'd be more annoying than anything

>>562737839
Can't you just kill some guy with a knife and steal their armor? Or buy the tier 5/6 stuff from friendly corps?
Otherwise open some armor/weapon crates and hope you get lucky

>>562743407
Yeah but it's definitely doable. It could remember your furthest distance and continue even after you die or something. Siren but without tagging or storage.

>>562737839
Invest in Sunlight Coven.
Lasers with god tier range + The Best backpack in the game. Never fight fair. Use noise as bait and kill everyone out of visual range thanks to low damage falloff.

>>562737839
Grenades are your friend.
Print a gorillion thermal grenades and pick an enemy whose armor doesn't cover fire and raze the station to the ground. Ideally an infiltration mission since you're bound to merc an elite squad+you can swipe the local station owner's gear too. Did you pick a lame proxy corp because why aren't their lvl6 guns and armor helping?

>>562737839
>trying to do the mission that get syou the fission bomb so I can build the Quasimorphic drive
How hard is it? I'm scared. I went back to Mars to progress the questline, but I have to raise my reputation with real ware first

>>562756510
Pretty sure nothing on that quest line is as hard as community and anarchy (ancom's quest if you give them the data)

>>562755142
I took the one laser Rifle + Phoenix Brigade which I can make myself, and it slaps. Got backed into a corner and overwhelmed at the very end but it was a good run. I wasn't prepared for the low durability on that thing.I got suckered into the Shotgun noob trap and went with Franche-Comte, I have Dragons Breath out the ass and basically nothing else.

>>562756510
Just a horde of Civil reistance with ARs and Plasma Pistols, its manageable. They just home in on you in a neverending horde once you find the thing on level 4.

>>562737839
I usually just make a new game every major patch because optimal routes get fucked
if you don't wanna, maybe pump your best set to resist whatever you're against, waiting for the development time
building for dodge is probably still busted too

>>562757109
What factions actually have quests with the data? I gave it to Tianming without thinking that they might not have a quest about it

d

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Who's the second best god for a stealthy hexslinger besides Hep? Dithmenos for the extra shadow spells I guess?

>>562707142
its fun
don't knock it til you try it, but if there are other games like it I'd be open to giving them a play as well. I just think for the value, this game is super enjoyable. Replayed it 3 times now, and it's made me want to learn how to mod it to some my own changes.

>>562795834
Dithmenos is fine, but I would say Ashenzari is better for turning off marks from malevolent forces.

>>562804328
Can confirm, Ashenzari feels top tier on poltergeists in particular. Spamming early curses doesn't hurt you when all your armor occupies the same slot.

>>562807784
It's also my begrudging choice on Kobold because you have short vision range, high stealth, and low HP. All that leads to getting extra fucked by marks. Sure you would love to pick WJC on a stealthy character, but Ash is just better.

>>562795834
Always Ru unfortunately.

>>562775968
ancom, realware and tzectlan I believe

Praise be to Allah

Praise be to Takhal

card game metaprogression coop multiplayer roguelike

>>562834761
None of these words are in the Berlin Interpretation

cortisolmaxxed goonlike on a grid

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new sky island kino:
merchants on your island. they only accept certain bizarre things in exchange so there's now even more reason to hoard or break into unusual places

>>562850217
I've never heard of this one. Sell me on it.

>>562850217
Cool but you have to play the worst fork's version of sky islands

God damn shitting nigger Flayed ghosts

Where are the freaking gold bars??? I need them to upgrade my ship to loot more stuff to hoard more efficiently

Should I force myself to only play evacuee survivor? Some professions and lab start make you win the game instantly.

>>562839263
They are in the 1933 Berlin Interpretation

>>562861812
would be interested in seeing it ported to BN. how would they make something like an alpha container work without pockets?

>>562839263
Game and roguelike are, stupid

>>562870702
What you call "winning the game" is only an achievement/feels good the first time you figure out what works early game. Which takes some time and IS hella fun, but even if you do slightly suboptimal or even handicapped/themed runs after that, you'll already know stuff like "oh, a bloated zombie, I'll put on my PBA mask and let it harmlessly explode in my face" instead of thinking "what manner of horrifying monster will come out of that meat cocoon? is it gonna explode? shower the area with acid? better shoot it with the biggest gun I have from afar and see what happens".
Having the option to skip the grind you've figured out before to play with the bigger toys immediately can be more fun as well. Nobody says you gotta do zero to hero runs every time. If you're intent on balancing it, even setting-related or self-imposed handicaps to offset an overpowered start aside, you can always also intentionally roleplay an adrenaline junkie and be more daring in combat, for a different kind of rush and an equal amount of danger despite your advantages and metagame knowledge. Like, you'd normally avoid going below three full stamina bars in melee with enemies still present, or retreat to restock once you go through 2/3 of your on-person ammo, or you'd normally back off to heal up the moment you got more than a few bars of limb damage and/or pain you can't offset with weak painkillers anymore. I mean, it's common sense that keeps you alive. Well, you can change things up by breaking that. Shoot until your last bullet, pick up random guns from dead bodies and shoot their ammo as well, and only retreat once you're down to a single grenade you'll use for your escape. Or try to push melee fights as close to the edge as possible instead of playing it safe. Aim to fight until you win in a glorious way instead of always taking the safest approach. It'll get your character killed eventually, but it'll be fun.

>>562873856
I believe a port already exists, somebody was talking about playing it a few months ago

>>562889571
oh neat, i found it
https://github.com/graysonchao/CBN-Sky-Island

very cool. i should check it out

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>>562775968
I wish there was a Tianming line
something about the main belt satellites

Is it a good idea to microwave this?

My spaceship is turning into a garbage dump
I don't know what I'm supposed to do with thousands of ammo, glass shards, and other junk that keeps piling up
Am I supposed to load my merch with rotten burgers when they go on a mission? At least there is auto-sorting of the inventory now.

>>562898306
Microwave an /rlg/? I don't think so, I'm pretty sure it contains metal

I like Larn

I don't

Y'all niggas never saved your daughter's life with a potion of cure dianthroritis

>>562915141
>>562923943
So what's the appeal of Larn

>>562924387
It's a real roguelike, with a lot of interesting design choices, like having a persistent town on the surface (which was a new idea at the time) The main quest is the aforementioned potion to save your daughter's life rather than something airy like acquiring an amulet for your god. There's two separate dungeons, with the volcano dungeon being kind of a shorter hard mode dungeon. The level generation is unusual and has a lot of variety room and level layout.
It's a really charming roguelike.

whats the appeal of rouglikes

>>562929550
the roug, mostly

so darkgod is really dead or burnt out irl or something
not only are the DLCs not showing any progress he didn't do any annual event for 2025 either
Tragic

Does an alternator actively impede hybrid cars or nah?
I've already got solar

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who's idea was this?

>>562929550
Ideally this genre should make it easy to develop interesting game systems with complex interactions. You generally have a minimal graphical style, top-down view, and turn-based combat. That means you can convey more complex game states to the player in a readable way, and the players have time to digest all that information and make smart choices. IDEALLY, roguelikes would be the most cerebral game genre and not o-tab simulators.

>>562939581
Unfortunately the only people who lean into this mindset tends to just make realism non sense like Cataclysm

>>562939581
At the very least, roguelikes would be a good place to do diablo loot autism and "0.5% critical damage to poisoned enemies at night" skill stuff. It's a pain in the ass elsewhere but would fit in here.

>>562942328
tome4 does it
I'm trying to do the same thing in my WIP game

>>562942424
is everyboy making the same roguelike now
i'm also making a roguelike like this
Are you also vibe coding

>>562944169
Of course we are making the same roguelike, after all I am you.

2026 the year of /rlg/ sloplikes

>>562944260
I'm not blacklike so I will develop a goodlike game

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Hooray! Third win ever in FrogComposband. Been like two years since I last won it, I usually start playing too loosely around CL35 and get wrecked.

Chaos-warrior was fun, a bit like Xom in DCSS. Ended up getting pretty shitty rewards on level up during this character's 20s, but then I got some nifty mutations later on so it evened out. J fight went surprisingly well with "only" around 650 dmg/round, my fat demon-lord form AC + resists helped a lot, used maybe 10 !*healing* and 3 !Life.

GG

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Stoneshart news
https://steamcommunity.com/games/625960/announcements/detail/519743485967859962

>>562934631
If it's BN, Alternators work by taking away engine power and transferring it as "epower".
As we're bound to the rules of thermodynamics, this process is about 70% efficient, so if you place this on an electrical engine, it will just drain more power.

7.5kW generators are also alternators, but on steroids. About 10x as strong as a truck alternator. Great for charging batteries in super heavy vehicles like tanks and transferring back smaller electric cars

>>562563879
They don't know what they're doing. The closest direction they are going for is Zomboid or neo scavenger; loot and move on.
The catch is, these games are actually designed for that, whereas DDA just throws a bunch of systems that are just minor nuisances and "manticores" waiting to waste your time/set you back.

The meltdown of r*dditors are hilarious, they're trying so hard shift the game back to its origins, but haven't read documentation's FAQ, which explicitly states the fork isn't a democracy and the "project owner" (alongside his simps) has the final say.

...So why bother?

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>>562929550
Start weak and become a god.
Get bored, try a new save, repeat the cycle.
...And sometimes (secretly) Alt-F4.
Pic un(rel)

>>562563879
What's the reason?

>>562975991
To cut down on bloat
pffft

Bloated sparkledogs

>>562990269
The blob consumes all versions of cata.

rip

what if u wanted multithreading
but blob said: pride flags

>>563005069
I'd get so mad I'd set fire to a 1.2m square foot toilet paper warehouse

The iron ball drags you downstairs!

An endless stream of snacks pours forth!

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>>563005069
I was okay with them adding the pride flags pack, because I get to satisfy my pyromania trait by using them as kindle for my trash burning piles.

Anon, you are a thief!

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Are you a dungeon roguelike guy or a sandbox roguelike guy?

>>563027789
why can't we have both
What if the sandbox was a giant ass dungeon

>>563027789
Yes

>>562563879
Blade traps were nonsensical to begin with. They would've needed a complete rework. What sucks is just removing them instead of reworking, but if nobody can't be arsed then better to remove them.

>>563035517
Thanks for taking the fun out, Kevin.

>>563025223
Reminds me of something
>cdda streamer complains a certain trait is too powerful and "free points"
>whines about how powerful it is and sent an essay to devs about it
>keeps taking it because "It's too powerful" and "I'm going to keep taking it" bwaaah
I swear, some of the "pro players" are literal 40-year old children.
These are unfortunately, humanoids. I'm ashamed to share species with them.
>>563035517
>but le realism

>plutonium sword on Dungeon:3
STONKS

>>563041617
You tab o'd yourself out of it yet?

>no MMIWG2SLGBTQIA+ like

>>563035517
There were blade traps in Half-Life 2

It's weird to me how you can't move diagonally through corners in Brouge. I think I'm used to it by now, but what's the reasoning behind it?

>>563035517
They are fine with nonsense like noise cancelling fire though?

>>563052421
There's a wall in the way

>>562722027
I just got a 5 point anchor from a mercenary (?) with a hangover from a bar after I paid it 1 hub01 coin. You can then send it to the hub01 counter for them to research it after paying like 2 gold coins and you have to wait for like 5 days for them to finish """researching""" it. I assume the item starts doing something only after you've done this tedium

>>563052854
Yes, there's a wall tile there, and the tile looks square, but the tile for a staff for example is a straight diagonal line, and the tile for a scroll is literally a music note, so I would make the argument that while the wall LOOKS square, it's only that way to convey information more easily to the player, and the wall could actually be round. So assuming there isn't something about the dungeon that makes the walls incredibly unnatural, the walls should be about consistent in their distance from the player, and therefore there isn't anything to prevent you from going diagonally.

>>563053491
Maybe it's been changed since, but I'm playing 0.H currently, and I've killed like 5 or 6 flaming eyes after that post, both in melee and at range. Wearing the anchor with a charged battery and turning it on protected me from the stare. I haven't seen any special hub dialogue about it, but I only trade with them at this point and maybe I just wasn't wearing the anchor when I stopped by. I can't find much on google, but it seems like the hub research just integrates the anchor into their armor.

>>562726998
Depends on what you consider good. A complex handcrafted story is completely impossible to do. But roguelikes can definitely make do with AI generated-ahh surface-level stories like the ones from Square Enix's Octopath Traveler series.

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>>562726998
CDDA Lore is pretty good, it's a deus ex conspiracy featuring netherworld creatures, terraforming amorphous blob, deathwalkers, fungi and triffids, all in a happy agreement to destroy a hapless species of hairless apes incapable of making a combat-ready powered suit or a flashlight last more than 2 hours.
Thankfully they left fully stocked killer turrets ready to serve human viscerae to our hungry guests, like the good neighbors we are.

You won't get that stuff from Frank Herbert, that's for sure.

>>563060367
Is it too much work to make all the monsters fight each other? I thought that kind of reputation/faction system is exactly what roguelike devs love to autistically simulate down to an unnecessary level of detail.

>>563063508
Issue with factions fighting is that often it just incentivizes the player to sit back, watch and loot afterward. The alternative is either to make monsters run away (which is like the least monstery thing ever) or just not engage in combat with each other in the first place.

>>563063508
>infighting
Not at all, i did this in my heavily edited copy of BN. But i had to change a lot of things, since blobs are really weak and fungaloids too meekly passive. It trivializes some things like flaming eye, which will be easily swatted by your average zombie scientist.

So i had to buff most creatures and added more monsters capable of nether stare debuff / bleeding / infected cuts.
Most monsters i had to increase stats and aggression, notably Gracken. Once a happy sight, now really dangerous.

I like huge chaos, after all, isn't this one massive fight for control over planet earth? It also adds a possibility to use it as an escape strategy.
However, even a shitty small blob can see and track you reliably, slime the fuck out of you then bring his buddies to penetrate every single cavity you have, including your belly button, ala matrix style.

>>563063996
>Issue with factions fighting is that often it just incentivizes the player to sit back
Which is exactly what happens. Had a bee hive spawn near a town, could loot the whole town zed free, bees are pretty chill if you dont get too close

>>563063996
...Well, we already have that, insects are always aggressive and you can use them as bioweapons...
Cleaning everything with guns gets boring after awhile.

>>563065339
Ants do that too, and if you're cheeky you can stack a bunch of eggs in a place you want to be cleaned, come back two weeks later and reap the harvest + free chitin
Bonus points if using acidic ants or wasps for turrets, since they're tagged with HARD_TO_SHOOT.

Fucking PoA.
You ever find yourself with a build that you know has potential but every time you try it you get fucked over by RNG?

>>563067575
No. You get almost every weapon in every run. The only real RNG that could fuck you is getting fast enemies offered to you in the early stages, or getting bad bosses that you don't have damage resistance against.

H-ra or ACK-ra?

Path of Asscrack

>>563048645
No response probably means yes.

well seymour, you're an odd fellow, but i must say... you steam a good run

g

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>>562726998
Risk of Rain has good world lore, and so does Dead Cells. But I guess that's not story.
Dead Estate has a good story, but it is separate from the gameplay, it assumes only one run is real.
Curse of the Dead Gods has a good mesh of story and gameplay and a good story. For a more well-known game that also has good story and it integrates the roguelike aspects: Hades.

I just realized Brotato and Risk of Rain have the exact same story, but with potatoes instead of humans.

>>563135224
Hades' story integrating into the gameplay is detrimental to its own narrative.
Any game that tries to be special and explains respawning (including the soulslike) is just setting itself up for failure.
It's an alternative to save/load, not the lore.

d

>>563135442
I hardly think you can call the souls games failures.
Definitely not in a RL thread.

I tried out frogcomposband (my first *band)
Why is is parts of the map keep blacking out when I move? it fixes itself when I re-size the window
It's like some rendering issue or something

I want to try frogcompostband but I have no numpad

>>563162925
learn vi keys, it has an option for roguelike movement
It's easier if you use the arrow keys instead of hjkl for cardinal movements though

>>563163717
Oh it has vi keys? I'll look for the option

>>563156735
Please respond, or is this just a "me" issue?
It's not some weird directory fuckery or something, is it? I unzipped the second link from the git into a folder in Documents

>>563163717
Does anyone use the hjkl keys with vi keys?

How do I heal in frogcompostband
Do I just walk around waiting for the regen to kick in?

>>563175109
I don't really understand why people call them that but I do use HJKL for cardinal directions, YU for upward diagonals and BN for downward diagonals. It is nice when a roguelike has mostly keyboard commands so you don't need to move your hand back to the mouse.

>>563183287
HJKL is the default navigation keys for vi/vim text editors.
The text editors don't come with YUBN, since you don't need to move diagonally when scrolling text. Those are the roguelike ghetto special

>>563164432
nvm, fixed it
I had Bigtile mode enabled which seemed to be fucking with it, must have activated it when I was messing around and forgot

>>563175109
Yes, if I'm on my laptop, where I don't have a numpad, then I use the vi movement keys. Why not, I mean the arrow keys are over there, the diagonals are right here, and I don't wanna have to move my hand back and forth all the time. It doesn't take long to get the feel for HJKL

>>562937257
it looks a lot more LLM friendly this way

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>>563097956
The answer was yes, I just haven't posted in the thread since yesterday.

>>563060367
>CDDA Lore is pretty good
What's so interesting about it other than the Blob (which itself is still an eldritch substitute for the Combine)? The entire plot is just a homage to different video games. The dimensional merge is Half Life, the power armor/bionics arms race between the west and China is Fallout, and all the weird horror elements are a mix of Junji Ito, Lovecraft, and Geiger.

>>563204251
You been messing around with some weird mods, son?

>>563206937
>ignoring all the movies and books that went into it
cringe and gaymer-pilled

Preparation Achra.

>>563206937
You know, I've played cata for a while now and there are parts of the bestiary that I have never seen once in gameplay and I scour the map pretty hard
Like, where do you even find the cult shit?

As I get farther into Quasimorph, it feels like half my time is spent looting corpses and doing inventory management, and that's not a good thing.

>>563163717
You can play it with the number keys on a regular keyboard. It's a bit weird to start off with but you adapt pretty easy. I play it at work on my laptop with no numpad.

Can you actually save prototype cyborgs? I've just been tearing them apart for CBMs whenever I came across them; never found a way to knock them out

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surely more players find hoarding as therapeutic

>>563236334
Hoarding is not fun when you have to dig through piles of trash

>>563225292
NTA, but if you mean the cultist guys, there's a random NPC quest line that starts with "Find a relic" where you look for a generic "small relic" item found in museums and display cases in houses and whatever. Then you get "Recover Priest's Diary", where a random generic house gets marked on your map and you need to retrieve the newly spawned book. And after that, you get the last quest - "Investigate Cult", where a "cabin" gets marked on your map. The place is boarded up, and there's a "wraith" spawning endless shadows inside the house, a small basement with about a dozen cultist mobs named "dementia", and a small room with a "blood sacrifice" further in the basement. I think there's some kinda skull or bone in that last room that you need to take back to the quest giver to finish the errand.
The wraith is tough if you choose to fight it head on because it spawns literally infinite shadows and it's unlikely that you can kill them all in time normally. The shadows individually disappear after like a minute of existing, so their number is still kinda capped, but there's still an endless stream of them when you're close. Apparently if you come during the day you can exploit its fear of sunlight. I just managed to kite some of the shadows away and chucked a grenade next to the big guy. You don't actually need to fight the wraith though, as the entrance to the basement is right behind one of the windows. The cultists themselves are weaker than ferals, and the sacrifice is a mob that does some mind attack when you approach, but I dunno what it does because it failed to work in my case, and I killed it before it could try again.

>>563249975
Use your enter key more

>>563253779
the newfag ">reddit spacing" meme has been disastrous for the legibility of 4chan posts

But wait... Your medallion begins to glow! The thread is on page 1! The medallion crumbles to dust!

kurwa

>>563275160
zamknij morde

>>563225292
Yeah a lot of the more obscure bestiary entries are behind quests

How realistic is it to gather 40 solid hydrogen canisters within a reasonable amount of time? I wasn't grabbing any chems from zombie scientists, but now I found a working CVD machine and it needs 40 canisters to diamond coat a katana. Also, does anyone know if the coating would still let me use martial arts with said katana?

>>563286106
I'd say about 1 in 10 lab barracks I raided had solid hydrogen in 'em but they have 25 each
It's gonna take a minute
Also the diamond coating is just a mod for the weapon, right? It should still work for Martial arts in that case

>>563287741
I've never actually used the plasma gun because of how prohibitively rare solid hydrogen is, is it any good?

>>563053491
The five point anchor is like a giga tinfoil hat. It prevents you from teleporting, among other things
>>563064929
Gracken are only dangerous near flaming eyes, but they're cute I like them.
>>563225292
Don't some of the aberrations show up in mine endings and the weird temples? The basements of churches and caves? Use a big clairvoyance artifact to peer into basements to find some weird shit.

>>563295489
Oh it's killer
As powerful as an RPG and sets everything in the projectile's path on super fire; can legitimately plow through hordes with one or two shots

They're giving me the giganigger captchas because I'm moot's strongest soldier
>>563232547
Yeah, hit them with the control laptop, then 'examine them to turn them off, then put them in the autodoc.
They die REALLY fast once you've done that, so be prepared to remove a bunch of faulty bionics immediately.
>>563249975
The flesh angels, right? I'm also a big fan of the albino penguins, which only show up in the lab finale portal room and like... a random basement.
>>563286106
In BN you can substitute gaseous hydrogen, which you can make yourself, but it is a total pain to transport. Lab finales, military bunkers and military outposts are your best bets to find the metallic stuff. You only need to get lucky twice, so depending on how many of them you have scouted it could be fast or take forever. Yes, it still works with martial arts.
>>563295489
I... I think I have one. I've also never used it. There's no way it's any good looking at the numbers but it might cause a pretty explosion.
>>563298339
No shit?

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Just checked and this shit isn't in DDA at all. If you're playing BN you shouldn't use the hydrogen canisters on diamond coatings, just use hydrogen gas. You'll need a 200L tank to carry the stuff but that's only a small hassle.

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Oh baby, this bad boy shored up my rBase. Had to juggle jewelry to cover it before, sickkk. Also Possessor gets really strong once you get a Great Wyrm (of Law in my case, eat Sound breath!)

>>563241672
But I get a dopamine spike when I find some (gold) nugget inside the pile of turd...

(you) receive : outdated and unmaintained version of CDDA
I receive : 19.50€
t. The Art of the Deal

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>>563303590

>>563303590
So many people were dumb enough to go along with it that I can't help but be impressed.

>>563298532
Maybe the cyborg stuff is different in BN, but the hardest part of saving the guys in DDA seems to be convincing them to join you the moment the personality override is out, so you could immediately start removing all the other bad junk they have in them.

I'm guessing social skill isn't something most people invest in, I get somewhere between 0-15% chance of persuading them with social 3. You get the first dialogue that has low odds, then you can immediately ask again for slightly higher odds, and then it's on a cooldown which may as well be a death sentence for them. Intimidation seems to be more probable, as you can wield a big gun during dialogue and get a boost to your intimidation that way, but then they either attack you or join you with high fear and anger, and low trust. I know trust and value go up over time, but I don't know if fear and anger ever normalize.

>>563312913
I think you can just leave the reality bubble for a week. If they spawn with a quest you can do that while you're away to improve their disposition.

>>562477129
ok

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>>563303761
Still mad that my oldest character died to the save refusing to load. Hillbilly girl class is OP.

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Today I learned you can press " to run in cata

>>563328503
This is a fairly recent addition. I wasn't a fan when it came out but it's fine. You can also press " to crouch.

>>563322567
sexo

M

gettingdoomedbyliterally1drudeondungeon5likes suck

>>563298242
>The five point anchor is like a giga tinfoil hat
I'll experiment with it for a bit when I get the opportunity to test things. I'm still figuring out how to clear a demon spider lair and diving mechanics because I've literally never bothered to travel deep waters before

I hate myself

>>563351991
I have never had a good thing come from diving. At best it's been completely pointless and a waste of time and resources. At worst it's been an active detriment.
I'm willing to be proven wrong though, I've heard they've been adding stuff.

Is there someplace I can get cata bright nights for 32 bit Linux? I have tried compiling it myself but it's stuck on 99/470 and it's been 4 hours. Before you ask the CPU of my non 20 year old computer is fucked

>>563363440
Idk how old BN is but it might never had 32bit builds

>>563363440
Last official 32-bit build was this:
https://github.com/cataclysmbn/Cataclysm-BN/releases/tag/2025-07-18

>latest Elin update features baby play as a key highlight
Something should be done about roguelikes

>>563366724
Is that even a roguelike, bro?

>>563367152
Have you even read the OP, bwo?

>>563367187
OP's not the boss of me

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>>563369781
Sick of seeing this dysgenic freak everywhere

>>563369781
The owner was a pussy, This rogueliker should not have left this place alive

>>563383148
>entered a dungeon (also knocked first)
>trashed it for loot
>made monsters freeze up in fear
Too bad he didn't escape with the amulet of Yendor

>>563376363
Those are mirrors

roguelikes with working reflection

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First house I entered and I found this

REE FUCKING SKITTERBOTS

d

>>563404887
cute dog

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>>563394703
I've identified your problem, you're playing DDA. Have you tried playing a good fork instead?
>>563404887
Nice dog

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losing my mind
which do next

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>>563409551
Horror is fun.

>>563412068
am I going to need to uncap my frames for this one?

>>563413363
I don't think so. It kills everything in one shot once you have your life stacked up.

>>563303590
What would bring somebody to actually purchase the Steam version knowing this?

>>563420847
Findom fetish.

>>563420847
Gotta support the developers bro

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>>563421526
Last time the steam release was talked about Kevin or some other retard in the "lead" team said all the cash went straight to CleverRaven because he's the one who worked alone on the Steam implementation. So you're even supporting the retards in chief, just funding one person's lavish lifestyle of Uber Eats.

>>563365978
thanks, it's better than trying to compile it in my phone, or worse trying to play it ON the phone

How much do you guys level fighting on your casters? Is there a point where the extra health isn't worth the XP?

>>563434995
What game, doofus?

>>563435264
Castle Run Boulder Stew

>>563434995
If you're bonking chaff with melee then like 5 levels below your highest spell school is justifiable. If you're using it exclusively for HP then probably leave it at like 12 until you get level 9 spells castable.

>>563366724
stealing from bright nights i see

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>>563363075
>underwater stuff coming
>inb4 sunken labs
Shipwrecks would be pretty cool. But when you have something like an aircraft carrier, there's not much on loot department they can offer.
Still, I'd explore. I like shipwrecks. Who cares about the metagame, it sucks anyway.

@

>>563448769
Get some new bantz, Kevin

Redpill me on FrogCompostBand, how much i will struggle with this if my only roguelike experience is Elona? I just saw it has plenty of races/classes and find it neat

ong

Naqui women

>>562471220
Make secrets have a tell signal, make it very subtle, maybe a sound when near, maybe a pixel or two shift I'm color for one turn, or maybe repeated architecture(recognizable) that has higher percentage chance of having a hidden path nearby so veterans know how to utilize their time with efficiency.

>>563225415
TRVTH. That's why I decided to drop down item spawn chance and remove Marauder from Tunnel Rats.
Proxy, Q-drive and disassembly push you in the post-scarcity age.

>>563363075
How tf did you explore dragon lair swamps then? Those places are filled with deep water tiles