Amanda Thomas best girl

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>>562773209
I did like her. She was endearing, even if she's basically just Steph but with a shittier haircut.
I wish her and Chloe were able to interact more.

>>562773452
I’m afraid you’ve completely misunderstood her character and her entire purpose

Alright, tell me what happened in Reunion

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Have you been doing your daily meditation??

>>562773903
Max and Chloe investigate a fire and then fuck.

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>>562773903
Fire
The sad death of the entire franchise, obviously

>>562781276
>dumpster fire

>>562789350
It was a frame job, Deck Nine was behind the fire all along!

How are they gonna do the series with two completely different ending from the game? I hope they expand the after ending more but it seems like it's gonna flop. Also, will they reuse some of the ost in the series?

Reminder that Amanda kicked a dude out of the bar for not liking her grilled cheese, but let's Lucas hang out there all fucking day when he's responsible for a girls suicide

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>>562799162

>Woah Max, you saw me and several other students burn to death in the observatory before you jumped back in time to stop it?
>Alright, let me make sure to place all the flammable chemicals I have in the observatory in one place, so if they do catch fire it will spread like crazy
>Oh you saw Chloe burn there too?
>I'm sure you won't mind if I take Chloe there anyway, and take no extra measures for multiple escape routes except a ladder you already told me falls
What the fuck was his problem?

>>562805398
final destination-tier writing

>>562806789
I'm honestly amazed Max never brought up that Moses and Chloe should just not be on campus when the fire happens. Like the most obvious way to prevent them from dying is just remove them from the situation

>>562799162
Lucas is too sigma for her to throw out.

>>562807767
The idea was to always pinpoint the origin of the fire which, with the power of awful writing, happens no matter what. The game then refuses to let you prevent it by way of trial and error and doesn't give you every sensible option related to it e.g. what you suggested and in effect, gives you three hamfisted endings. Game could've been and should've been more.

I honestly feel like there is some kind of mass psychosis going on. Everyone was criticizing Double Exposure, mostly for valid reasons. Then Reunion comes out, and it’s not really better. It barely has a story at all. It feels like one of the emptiest games I’ve ever played.

But because it gives us some empty characters wearing the skins of Max and Chloe, suddenly everyone loves it? I get it. I think people are just tired and resigned at this point. But come on, have some standards. No one would be praising this game if it didn’t have Max and Chloe in it.

I miss Victoria
Maximum Victory should have been real and Max should have stayed in the Chloe assisted suicide timeline and kept her Victoria slave and did nasty shit with her every day

>>562808782
You just answered your own question.

>>562808782
This. Its insane people are giving it 9/10 ratings when it's the most insipid dogwater story that has nothing to tell mixed with some good Pricefield momements

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>As Max and Chloe are leaving the ruins of Arcadia Bay behind, there's one more tragic story unfolding
>Alice and Lisa stuck in Max's room, Alice hasn't eaten anything in days, the dorms are destroyed and no one comes looking for them
>"No one's gonna come save us, this is the end, we'll starve to death..."
>Alice...you can survive this and go back to your owner. All you have to do is... all you have to do is eat me."a times this week did you try to nibble my leafs? I'm a plant, Alice, you're a bunny, maybe it's time I accept my destiny... OUR destiny."
>"Lisa, I can't make this choice!"
>"No Alice, you're the only one who can"

>eat Lisa
https://orph.link/sacrificelisa.mp3
>eat your own foot
https://orph.link/sacrificepaw.mp3

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>>562773323
Safi is actually having a resurgence in fan arts more than Amanda ever will

>>562799162
>>562805398
Care to explain, Jonathan Zimmerman, why characters who were smart and sensible in the previous game are acting completely brain-dead here? Why did those who were "good under pressure" turn into paranoid wrecks? Why did those who had the strength to keep their dignity end up begging and humiliating themselves like pathetic losers?

Explain yourself, Jonathan.

>>562808782
>>562809946
Lately, my main source of entertainment is watching them praise the exact same things in Reunion that they absolutely trashed in DE. Way more engaging than this creativity bankrupt game itself.

>>562809946
I honestly feel like at some point the fanbase got replaced by younger people who just want to look at fanart and see girls kiss. Because I genuinely do not understand how anyone can go from the incredible story of Life is Strange to Reunion and think that this was a worthy ending. You really have to have no standards.

And don’t even get me started on Max and Chloe. How are these supposed to be the same characters from Life is Strange? They have almost none of the original characterization. They just feel like some bland Deck Nine version of them. I’m really disappointed in this fanbase. We deserved a much better story, and instead people are celebrating what feels like the worst possible follow-up.

>>562812107
Max and Chloe are like the sameish as they were in LiS1 BtS, but they exist to romance each other off.

>>562781276
Kino

>RE: 1,711 24-hour peak 1 670
>DE: 507 24-hour peak

Kek

IGN game Reunion a 8

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>>562816816
one lower than Double Exposure

>>562812480
Chloe is punk, we know nothing else about her. I liked seeing her again, but they could have shown us way more of her personality

>>562817923
still too high desu

>>562812480
But that’s the problem with both Double Exposure and Reunion, and honestly, Reunion does it even worse.

In Reunion, Max and Chloe seem to have only one purpose: to love each other. That’s it. There’s nothing else to their personalities, and they don’t even do that particularly well. Aren’t these kids supposed to love epic love stories? Because this was not one. I genuinely feel like I’m going crazy.

Is true colors any good? Already finish reunion but never play that before so I'm curious.

>>562821580
It’s a total snoozefest, don’t waste your money.

>>562821580
It’s kind of cozy, and it has some nice small-town vibes. But it’s also a bit boring, feels very much like a walking simulator, and most of the characters are kind of forgettable, aside from Alex and Steph. It just doesn’t quite have enough to really stand out.

>>562807767
They were supposed to stay at the bar, but Moses got the idea that they could be more helpful on campus watching for fire. It's pure plot convenience to get all the main characters together for the climax.

>>562821580
I get the impression that people who love TC put a lot of value on the vibes. If that's enough for you, you might end up liking it.

>>562812107
Tbh, you are somewhat right. But it was the last game, and they were crunching like crazy just to finish it before they went under. It is what it is. I think most people would have wanted something different if they could choose. But have you noticed how insanely dead the fanbase has become? Give it a few years and it will be completely dead. The TV show will be its own separate thing. But we will live on forever here on 4chan

>>562821580
It’s dogshit that completely abandons the plot after the first episode, one episode is literally just you playing a meaningless dnd larp

Does Max's powers work with photos taken by other people?
I ask because I'm curious if she could in theory enter a pornographic photo or a photo of somebody on the toilet.

R34 wave when?

>>562826062
Aren't you happy with the underage R34 that already exists, anon?

>>562827452
i'm not. i want more of hag Max, Loretta, Amanda and Safi

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Damnnnnnn Samantha looks like that now?????

>>562829412
Shut your horny ass up

>>562830130
holy sex

So at the end of Reunion, are both endings of the first game merged? It's vague on what actually happens there

>>562840218
Yes, evey ending is merged

>>562841421
So does Chloe remember both being murdered and surviving the storm with Max?

>>562841593
>Chloe remember both being murdered and surviving the storm with Max?
It should be that easy but the game does a mess out of things so now Chloe has nightmares of her death but if you choose Bae she also believes Arcadia Bay was never hit by a storm or that somehow she's still in good terms with Joyce, and if she's death she remembers her murder but not her going along with Max or the breakup.

Reunion also retcons people having memories about their merged selves so it's like Max revealing she had power to everyone didn't matter at all.

>>562841593
Safi mentions in the epilogue that she still has awareness of the Lighthouse ghost zone where her dead self lives, so ending Chloe must have memories of both living and dying.
A person being aware that they died in another timeline is apparently what causes a Time Paradox, the Time Paradox tried to force Chloe to die by disabling Max's rewind, but then Max brute-forced past it by freezing time until she could drag over a cart. That doesn't really resolve the Time Paradox in any way, so Time / Destiny should still be trying to kill Chloe now (?)

>>562844453
So they made a contrieved time pocket dimension thing thats not even addressed or fully resolved following the events of Reunion

>>562844453
You're giving this more thought than the writers want from you.

>>562844453
All that and the homie Alderman is still nowhere to be found...

>>562846452
He's in the same place Diamond currently resides

It's too bad we're never going to get the full story about what went on at D9 in the development of DE and Reunion.

>>562858420
You could still ask Zimmerman on his substack lol

>>562859253
Has he posted anything worth reading yet?

>>562846452
Alderman was wiped from existence and nobody remembers him anymore. I'm still puzzled by that whole moment because it amounted to absolutely nothing.

>>562866609
Cut from Chapter 5 because they ran out of budget. He was supposed to show up in Max’s nightmare sequence. You can still find it in the game files.

>>562860741
not really. other than the fact that he's absolutely clueless about how some of the mechanics in the first game worked

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As a Pricefielder, I would give Reunion a 6.5/10.
But I've been suffering from depression and anhedonia for many years now, so playing games doesn't feel the same anymore.

>>562808782
>empty characters wearing the skins of Max and Chloe
it is 100% max and chloe, they feel exactly as they did in the first game but appropriately older. Reunion absolutely nailed Max and Chloe

Reunion went out of its way to address feedback about DE and tried to fix everything people hated about it, which is why everyone likes it more

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>>562872035
Same. The Pricefield was great, but everything else was pretty boring. I really wish Amanda and Chloe got to interact more. They had great chemistry. Seeing Charlotte's sculpture and the Puerto Lobos keychain were fun Easter eggs for past games.
I was also really hoping we'd get an update on Alex or Steph, especially since Chloe is friends with Steph and they're both in the same business of travelling musician.

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>>562878008
>I really wish Amanda and Chloe got to interact more. They had great chemistry.
I'm still thinking about this. Total wasted potential. Even with the limited resources they had they could've easily squeezed in more scenes for them.

>>562879103
I really think if they had even one more year to work on it, they could have taken it from a 7 to an 8, 8.5.

>>562878008
Pricefield wasn't even that great. They are separated for most of the game and only kiss once in a throwaway scene after talking to Moses.

>>562884070
That is Every. Single. Lis game.
God I wish someone with money that likes the series would just buy the aiP and make it with love.

>>562888559
Maybe LIS x Fortnite?

>>562808782
>some empty characters wearing the skins of Max and Chloe
Zimmerman and that other woman have this brain-dead idea that character development is just about how much screen time they get. You can tell by how they handled the side characters like Moses and Loretta, not just the leads.

>>562884070
the whole thing started with the brain-dead idea to split the game in two without doing any market research

>>562822572
It's honestly kind of frustrating how little they actually tried to change things or prepare for the fire.
>Focus becomes entirely on finding out who personally starts the fire
>For some reason authorities just ignore hearing a threat of arson to the point to where only a campus cop cares about it
>They could have just closed the observatory for the day to make sure it was empty
>They stocked up with ONE fire extinguisher instead of buying a dozen
>Left flammable chemicals in a building where you know a fire is going to break out
Hell, they didn't even do something like pull a fire alarm before the fires go off, which would cause an evacuation even if it is a false alarm

>>562917883
But anon, they seveloped the game in one year

>>562926552
they developed dogshit in one year

This series needs more rape.

’m honestly surprised that Deck Nine gets all the hate. Do people not remember the interviews that were posted here before? Every single word they wrote had to be approved by Square Enix. And then there are the Glassdoor reviews, which painted a picture of weak leadership at Deck Nine that basically just did whatever Square Enix wanted. At that point, you’re blaming the instrument instead of the one holding it.

>>562932440
Plenty of people hate square and it's practically common at this point that they absolutely suck ass at managing their IPs.

>>562932440
D9 never had a strong backbone, and whenever they had some ounce of artistic thought it was always compromised to reach for the lowest common denominator

>>562933552
Spot on. Reunion is basically the poster child for D9 having zero backbone

Omg the fucked it. They FUCKED it, right in the final stretch. But that other 60% is pretty solid, especially considering the development context. Its clear they learned a lot and actually gave a shit so without dev constraints it would have bern goated.

What themes does Life is Strange explore?

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>>562936486
gender and sexuality

>>562936990
In what ways does Life is Strange explore gender and sexuality?

If everyone in Safi's family is as psychotic as she and her mom are, they should probably just stop having kids. Let the crazy die with her.

>>562936990
>C.A.G.S.
Kek

Based Amanda

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kinda unrelated but what do you think about denuvo bypass with hypervisor in reunion?

>>562938341
hypervisor is kinda sketchy becauee theres a risk it could make your system exposed to virus and hacking more easily

>>562937430
Girls can kiss so it’s woke enough for this general

>>562937430
The first game has misogyny as one of its themes. It isn't over-the-top, but a lot of the harm inflicted is gender-based. I won't get into specific examples in case you actually want to play it, but it's not all-men-are-evil, more like men and women need to treat women better. It's handled about as well as you can hope for from some French guys in 2015.

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>>562938042
If Amanda is hosting these C.A.G.S. meet-ups, she better be personally testing the products. I want to see her with a gag, ngl

>>562941020
Honestly, it's not the worst example of handling this theme in this medium, mainly because the issue is shown through personal drama rather than through slogans. It's a very fine line to walk, and the risk of devolving into pure activism is always extremely high

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Chloe cute.

>>562947809
And people complained Maisy looked too fat for the role kek

>>562946887
I wasn't being dismissive of it, I am genuinely impressed with how well they handled it despite not having a woman in the writing room.

>>562948495
>how well they handled it despite not having a woman in the writing room.
That's definitely why

>>562948495
Unironically, that might be exactly why they handled it so carefully. Maybe they just found the right balance intuitively.
But again, it's done very competently there. Those who care about the theme will see it, while those who usually get annoyed by such topics won't be triggered by it

>>562948408
She did on some pictures, but here she looks fine

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I keep putting off finishing Reunion because I don't want to close the book on Pricefield forever....

>>562954560
Anon, the book was closed years ago until SE was too greedy to go foward

>>562954560
Its over anon, now only slow fandom death awaits.

What is the future of LiS wise ones?

https://old.reddit.com/r/lifeisstrange/comments/1sf5qk8/no_spoilers_the_future_of_the_life_is_strange/

>>562959808
The TV show bombing and after that, that's all folks

>>562959808
Pretty sure it's dead

>>562959808
The TV show is good but it gets sidelined by poor marketing because Amazon prioritizes the GoW show and whatever else Netflix puts out

>>562959808
The tv show could have done wonders, but DE exist and that killed it all. Who is even in charge of things if SE doesn't have anyone outside of Japan?

>>562948408
she looks too short for the role
chloe is hilariously tall for a girl, she towers over every other female in the game
if she's not towering over Max I will riot

>>562962897
Its a tv show anon, you can cheat height with easy camera tricks and platform shoes

>>562962897
Seeing her like a full head above Max during the reunion kiss was pretty funny.

>>562954560
You can always play the games again.

>>562962897
>Chloe is thin and very tall, almost modelesque
>Cast a chubby short girl to play her
Ffs

>>562959808
I hope, if it isn't canceled, after they finish the story of the first game they make an original Max and Chloe on the road story instead of continuing the story of the later games. As much as I like 2, I think it would run into the same audience problems as the game did, and the rest of the games are mid or worse.

>>562963663
Just wait for black Victoria

>>562963663
Chloe was never believable as an angry, grungy punk girl because she's way too pretty. Body of a supermodel and face like an angel.

>>562963845
They would NEVER make the callous cunt directly responsible for the attempted suicide of an innocent girl be black. If anything Kate will be black.

>>562964051
That's the point

I miss the time before all of this. I don’t see any of the regulars around here anymore. They never should have made a sequel. It was more fun before

>>562973194
I wish there were more outfits.

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Neat cameo

>>562974821
i wish

>>562962897
>>562963345
>>562963663
>Maisy Stella, known for her role in Nashville, is approximately 5'0" to 5'1" tall

>>562973978
They really should have given Chloe one outfit without the jacket.

>>562975695
when you are under crunch the best you can do is to recycle what you already have

>>562979805
Rather different outfits than having the custodian guy.

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>>562946887
>I want to see her with a gag, ngl

>>562985853
The custodian guy felt like distinctly Japanese humor and forcefully brought to my mind that this is a Square-Enix game. These games are so overwhelmingly western that it makes me wonder if SE guys in Japan were more involved in Reunion due to Deck Nine downsizing

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>>562990763
SE Japan only took direct control after they nuked the whole western leadership tho

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>>562991470
Flopped and forgotten

>>562994167
Go back to your potato farm and stop obsessing over fictional girl, Janusz

As mediocre as reunion was, Chloe was perfect. Rhianna did a great job. By far the best part of the game.

>>562975695
Speaking of, does a jacketless Chloe exist in the files? For mods?

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>>562991470

I miss Steph. Alex, too, but mostly Steph.

>>562996694
Back when facial mocap wasn't so stiff

https://www.avclub.com/life-is-strange-reunion-game-fans

Oh no no no no no reunion sisters

>>563015505
>It is also Life Is Strange at its most disappointing; the product of Deck Nine at its most defeatist.
>The pair get some moments to talk through their shared trauma as well as tooth-achingly sweet moments sure to make fans squeal, but it all feels empty. Max and Chloe feel like flat reproductions of their 2015 selves, frozen in the moment fans never want them to leave.
Based

>>562938341
>decide to try out hypervisor despite the constant fear mongering on reddit
>run the vbs script to disable some windows security needed to start the game
>turns out those security features (like memory integrity or virtualization based security) were already off of my system by default (memory intergrity tanks the fps in games anyway)
>the only thing to do was to restart the pc and disable driver signature enforcement, which re-enables itself every time you restart the pc anyway
>put the game files and the hypervisor "crack" files in defender exclusions so it won't block starting the game
>profit
>after finishing the game, just in case run a full system drive scan in Malwarebytes: no viruses found, also nobody hacked my pc, as many people were trying to "warn" me
Well, in my case that was surprisingly easy to set up and I was playing the game 5 hours after the release lol. Just don't be a retard and don't download sketchy files from the internet, only from trusted sources

>>563024387
Reunion wasn't made with love or even nostalgia, it was made as an apology to "win back" the fans after the fallout from DE. But, mind you, if DE was a smashing success, they would've kept telling you/Chloefags/Pricefielders to go fuck yourselves.

>Chloe "I will take a plaque when all of this is over, or a statue"
>choose "statue" and Max says "your tattoos will glow in the dark"
The blackout tattoo will glow in the dark? Or does she have any other tattoos now, like >>562944301 >>562973194

>>563027047
>if DE was a smashing success, they would've kept telling you/Chloefags/Pricefielders to go fuck yourselves
Looking at the pathetic sales numbers for Reunion, it’s easy to imagine they’re already wishing they’d done exactly that

>>563027895
>they’re already wishing they’d done exactly that
Yeah, then Double Exposure 2 would sell even less than Reunion, kek. Especially if they made a literal who Diamond the next person with powers.

>>563027047
>But, mind you, if DE was a smashing success, they would've kept telling you/Chloefags/Pricefielders to go fuck yourselves.
Oh yeah, absolutely. A part of me is glad that DE flopped just because it forced them to finally accept that they completely failed to give the audience what they wanted.
It genuinely amazes me how they had a formula for printing money and just refused to do it. And not only that, but over the years Chloe/Pricefielders fans got so much shit from them
>Interviews/social media comments talking about how you'd have to be a bad person to pick Bae
>LIS2 infamous line of "that's the past, you're the future" from a dev self insert
>Had the fucking AUDACITY to bait that Chloe "might" be back in DE, just for the option to have her alive be meaningless for the plot and give the shitty 'they broke up off screen' option
>Safi so obviously being the replacement Chloe that was shoved down our throats, being told that we should care about her instead of actually trying to make us care for her through good writing
I'm glad these fucking bozos got direct feedback that their game fucking sucked and the ones that weren't fired had to give me my pricefield slop, probably with resentment in their heart. Get fucked

>>563028389
Well, Reunion was apparently supposed to be a Max and Diamond game instead of Max and Chloe.

>>563028483
Which is hilarious, because who the fuck cared about Diamond as a character? Like she wasn't even a main focus in DE, she was just one of many side characters. The most I can say about Diamond is that she wasn't an off putting character, but at the same time she wasn't interesting. She was just bland and I really didn't care about her and Vinhs whole Abraxas club plotline

>>563028389
If they’d actually fixed what was wrong with DE and doubled down on that in their marketing, instead of wasting their last breath trying to pander to a loud minority, the sales wouldn’t be in the gutter right now

>>563028434
Check the Reunion sales data. Pricefield clearly isn't what the 'audience wanted, and it’s definitely not a 'money-printing' formula

>>563029073
>Check the Reunion sales data. Pricefield clearly isn't what the 'audience wanted, and it’s definitely not a 'money-printing' formula
It is what the audience wanted, you can confirm that based on the stats of the choices on people who played Reunion
The issue is that a majority of the playerbase completely lost faith in the series after DE. It burned a lot of goodwill with the fans, and that much is obvious with the panicked reaction to bring back Chloe in Reunion.
It's natural that after getting burned on DE, that most fans would hesitate on buying Reunion even if it has what they wanted

>>563029073
They would've had better gains if they didn't cause friction in the first place, even if Pricefield is just a vocal minority. Frankly, I don't think DE should've starred Max and instead should've just had a new MC just like True Colors.

>>563029509
>It's natural that after getting burned on DE, that most fans would hesitate on buying Reunion even if it has what they wanted
Reunion is considered soulless anyway, even when fans are told it brought Chloe back and has basically backtracked on everything from thre previous game. People know a cheap cashgrab when they see it.

>>563029509
>you can confirm that based on the stats of the choices on people who played Reunion
Funny argument, considering the game has zero actual player agency. People don't even get how they ended up with those results when they didn't even pick them
>It's natural that after getting burned on DE, that most fans would hesitate on buying Reunion even if it has what they wanted
Yeah, blame it all on DE. That's a weak argument, anon. The engagement numbers are lower, but they’re still comparable to DE. People just aren't buying a 'game' that has zero game and is nothing but shipper fan service

>>563029073
>Pricefield clearly isn't what the 'audience wanted
Meanwhile nearly 80% of people who played LiS1 romanced Chloe, and in Reunion nearly everybody. And LiS1 was played by millions of people, which gives you millions hypothetical Pricefielders.
The fact that they don't want to buy "what they wanted" though, is a different topic. Plus, it's been 10 years.

>>563030440
>LiS1 was played by millions of people, which gives you millions hypothetical Pricefielders.
Most of those people have already moved on and they’re never coming back. No need to act surprised, though, it's not like this happened overnight. The audience has been shrinking with every single game
>Meanwhile nearly 80% of people who played LiS1 romanced Chloe
And? Over 70% of players kissed Amanda in DE, and that wasn't '10 years ago' like you said. Those players are way more likely to come back for a sequel than people who played a game a decade ago. But the devs turned their backs on them just to pander with fanservice. No wonder the sales look like this

>>563030021
>People don't even get how they ended up with those results when they didn't even pick them
So you didn't romance Chloe in LiS1 and didn't choose to kiss Chloe in Reunion yet it tells you you romanced her? Sure thing, lol.
Somehow I know how I ended up with every result in RE. The only thing I didn't know was how to make Moses and Chloe be "friends" in the ending stats.

>>563030021
>Yeah, blame it all on DE. That's a weak argument, anon
It's really not. Fans have been asking for more Max and Chloe for over a fucking DECADE. And then when they finally decide to do it, they had the nerve to bring back Max and tell you to your face "if you picked Chloe, they broke up. It was never going to work out, fuck you, enjoy Safi :)"
They destroyed goodwill with the fans who had been asking for more Max and Chloe. We know this for a fact because of the hard rewrite and backtracking on so many things from DE

>>563031198
>Fans have been asking
>goodwill
Things like these are just speculation. You can't measure that. But engagement and sales numbers are concrete data. And they clearly show that interest before DE was extremely low (with or without Pricefield), and it's even lower for Pricefield as fanservice. It's only been a year and a half and the market hasn't shifted that much, and the fanbase shouldn't have shrunk this drastically, yet here we are

>>562936990
Wondering how much of this subtle lore-building was inherited from the original team's notes. It's pretty obvious these assets were finished way before they started messing with the sequel's script. Cause a lot of the stuff in this game feels way more 'low-key' than most of the heavy-handed writing.

>>562959808
Reality is slowly setting in for them looking at these numbers. But not for everyone:
>No one would buy that game with Diamond
She's screaming this under a post literally showing that the Pricefield-bait version isn't selling either.

>>563031863
>Things like these are just speculation. You can't measure that.
We literally can. Why do you think in response to backlash from DE, that D9 rewrote things to bring back Chloe? They already had a plot in mind with Diamond being a playable character.
We both know they did it because they panicked and thought it was something the players wanted more than their original idea.
Cope and seethe all you want, but you can't change that

>>563032349
Well, the measurable numbers already proved it was a massive mistake. And no cope here, I knew this would flop harder than DE the moment it was announced

>>563029073
Anon the sales for reunion are so bad because de poisoned the well

>>563033278
Didn't Reunion debutted at like first or third place in some console charts?

>>563033278
Show me the numbers. Otherwise, it’s just unadulterated cope.

>>563032349
holy copeola

>>563032985
It will sell about the same as DE, do a little bit better on console. There were never any option left to sell much. But any game with Diamond and Max would have sold less.

>>563038653
If it were an actual competent game with a consistent plot, interesting mechanics (some of which were cut from DE, by the way), real branching paths, more than one romance option - and if they actually marketed that - it would have outsold any fanservice. Selling less than this is literally impossible

>>563039325
You seem pretty determined to believe your own false narrative, so I don’t think there’s really anything I can say

>>563040701
What narrative? That shameless fanservice leads to a total failure? But pretty obvious

>>563039325
You sound like a Square Enix executive. Adding branching paths, multiple romances, or any of that would not have helped. The story is focused, just not in a way you liked. They clearly just wanted to give the core fanbase a positive send-off, especially with the TV show coming soon. And there was no real way to make any game sell well after Double Exposure. But if you honestly think that Marvel-style nonsense with Diamond would have sold better, then you are delusional.

>>563043474
holy copeoli

>>563043474
>Adding branching paths, multiple romances, or any of that would not have helped.
Oh yeah, adding choices and actual branching to a choice-based game. What a crazy, "wrong" idea.
Jesus...
>They clearly just wanted to give the core fanbase a positive send-off, especially with the TV show coming soon.
And how's that working out? Did they manage to give a "positive send-off" to the 3 people who actually bought this slop?
>Marvel-style nonsense
None of that was ever in the plans

>>563044770
Again, that sounds like something a clueless Square Enix executive would say. None of that is what made the original game popular in the first place. What made Life is Strange work was the human connection between people.I’m sure sticking to the original plan would have made all those Amanda, Vinh, and Diamond fans very happy. Oh right. They don’t exist. You and the remaining 20 people at r/LifeIsStrangeDE can keep the cope alive, I guess

>>563047160
holy copellini

>>563044770
>None of that was ever in the plans
Should have checked the Pricefield haven discord, because what they said was the opposite

>>563047160
Alright, let's break it down. Imagine you're SE and you make a mistake - without any market research, you assume a game featuring Max's return will sell so well that you decide to split it into two parts. All the financial burden of character creation, locations, and assets falls on the first part, while the second is expected to recoup everything and then some. Then you hit reality: sales are a flop, there's no demand.
But what you DO have - and it's your only real capital at this point - is the people who actually bought the game. You know that 70% of them liked it. Most likely, those 70% would buy a direct sequel. These people were invested in the game for various reasons - whether it was Safi's problems, the romance with Amanda, listening to NPC chatter, or Diamond getting powers. Doesn't matter.
And then you find yourself with a sequel already deep in development that can't be canceled, and you make the most idiotic decision possible: not only do you decide to give nothing to the people invested in the game, you stop talking to them entirely. Instead, you run to some other people whose numbers and potential engagement are unknown, and you promise them the moon.
The game comes out. Those who were invested in the previous one get nothing, and those who were promised everything get what they wanted, but only on paper. Just to check a box. The game itself is terrible in quality and even worse in content -partly because the remaining resources were spent on this 'brilliant' pivot.
As a result, sales are low, engagement is dead, and maybe a few people are actually happy. The game will be lucky to even break even, let alone make up for its predecessor. Oh, and it's also the end of the entire franchise. So, tell me, was that a 'normal' decision or not?

>>563048875
You are that mod of r/LifeIsStrangeDE aren't you?

>>563048875
The game was not good, and you’re right that a lot of it felt like checklist material for people who just want to see girls kiss. It had no real substance, and it was not a dignified ending for the series or for Max and Chloe. I really do not understand why people’s standards are so low. At the same time, there has clearly been much more positive engagement around Reunion than there ever was around Double Exposure. There’s so much more fan art and discussion in fandom spaces, while Double Exposure inspired almost none of that.

And the rest of your logic is very flawed, and I think you know that.

>>563048875
>Then you hit reality: sales are a flop, there's no demand.
>But what you DO have - and it's your only real capital at this point - is the people who actually bought the game. You know that 70% of them liked it. Most likely, those 70% would buy a direct sequel. These people were invested in the game for various reasons - whether it was Safi's problems, the romance with Amanda, listening to NPC chatter, or Diamond getting powers. Doesn't matter.
This is what stumps me the most. They already had an established audience for what comes next. A paltry amount sure, but it's most likely a guarantee that whoever bought DE will return for its conclusion. They could've even gone the usual route of the "EPIC CONCLUSION TO THE LIFE AND STRANGE SERIES" which is a definite head-turner and could've garnered a few more customers but the marketing then turns a 180, signalling to their established base that none of their decisions mattered and the story they were invested in is gone. It even retroactively shits on the people that played the first game, none of their choices mattered at all.

>>563049890
>At the same time, there has clearly been much more positive engagement around Reunion than there ever was around Double Exposure.
Oh, that's really nice. Now tell me how exactly that helps the actual salesnumbers?
>There’s so much more fan art and discussion in fandom spaces, while Double Exposure inspired almost none of that
The problem is, the people making that fan art are the same ones who've been drawing it for years. This game didn't bring in anyone new. As for the discussions, I'm active in those spaces too, and I wouldn't say the hype is anything special
>And the rest of your logic is very flawed, and I think you know that
A bird in the hand instead of a mythical crane in the sky? I wouldn't call that flawed. Practical maybe

>>563049890
They also make a mistake and assume they would have recouped money with the sequel. SE expected DE to be an hit from the get go and DE2 to just add to that. It's barely recouping the money spent for both games, and that's not good

>>563049061
Whic person are you talking about?

>>563049935
You are delusional in thinking the DE fanboys would have helped Reunion sell better than what its doing now

>>563051639
well, the pricefielders aren't exactly helping either

>>563051964
But my point still stand, DE2 as it was originally planned with Diamond as the second main playable character and the people with powers plot would have been a worse flop. You can't refute this point because you already aknowledged there's no demand to the type of story DE offered

>>563052216
>you already aknowledged there's no demand to the type of story DE offered
My point was that regardless of the demand level, they completely ignored it and replaced it with something purely illusory. Ironically, this is now being reflected in very real, very low numbers

>>563050758
DE didn't bring in anyone new either. Your not making sense. They had nothing to lose by changing direction.

>>563052825
>DE didn't bring in anyone new either
DE showed the actual size of the audience the franchise has left at this point
>They had nothing to lose by changing direction
Well, the abysmal sales figures tell otherwise

>>563052725
Still delusional and incapable of refuting that DE2 would have done worse than the Pricefield pivot

>>563048875
The real asset is Life is Strange, Max, and Chloe. And if the TV show does well, some soulless executive will probably try to cash in on the brand, whether that means selling it off or pushing some kind of reboot. That's is probably why we got Reunion instead of Double Exposure 2.

>>563053774
Explain this to me: how would a game where both people invested in DE and Pricefielders got what they wanted sell worse than a game where only the Pricefielders got a half-baked, poorly executed fanservice like in Reunion?

>>563053951
>The real asset is Life is Strange, Max, and Chloe
That hasn't been true for a long time. The game is dogshit even with them in it, and that's why it sold poorly.
It matters even less for the TV show. If it's actually good and Amazon handles it right, it'll be fine. But if it's garbage and Amazon fumbles it again, it's going the way of Paper Girls or whatever

>>563055140
>both people invested in DE
You mean all 20 of you?

>>563055383
Reasoning with DEfags is impossible. They always act out of spite towards Pricefielders, because they know deep down DE wouldn't exist if Life is Strange wasn't the big success it was back then

>>563055140
>the game is dogshit even with them in it, and that's why it sold poorly
so DE2 was always going to be crap, thank you for admitting the truth

>>563055140
>But if it's garbage and Amazon fumbles it again, it's going the way of Paper Girls or whatever
They really handled that badly. It was like a gutted show that airs on the sci-fi channel as a rerun during the wee hours

>>563055383
According to sales aggregators, DE's total sales haven't hit the 500k mark. Since that's the number being thrown around, let's assume it's capped out right there. 7 out of 10 people liked the game, which means we have about 350,000 people

>>563055140
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Max and Chloe have name recognition, and that matters. They are the faces of Life is Strange, the characters most people know, and the ones most strongly tied to the series’ success. That alone makes them easier to sell than anything new.

>>563055815
Amazon is betting heavily on video game adaptations right now, and the people involved in this project actually seem competent. I think it has a pretty fair chance of succeeding.

>>563055658
>so DE2 was always going to be crap, thank you for admitting the truth
You’re intentionally ignoring the first part of my reply addressed to you - the part about what the game should have been like to satisfy the largest possible part of the fanbase

>>563055140
>Explain this to me: how would a game where both people invested in DE and Pricefielders got what they wanted sell worse than a game where only the Pricefielders got a half-baked, poorly executed fanservice like in Reunion?
Holy shit the reading comprehension of the retarded pricefielders left in this thread not being able to parse this. I'm fairly convinced now they're all ESLs that just can't understand anything at all.

>>563056560
First of all, what makes you think a DE2 would be the game Pricefielders actually wanted?

>>563056560
It would have been very difficult to combine those two completely different visions into one game, and it would have required far more time and resources than anyone was willing to spend after Double Exposure

>>563056162
>Max and Chloe have name recognition, and that matters
You're living in a delusion, just like an SE executive. Let's see how much that name recognition actually matters: in just two weeks, the game featuring them has already tanked to the 220 in top sellers. Twitch interest is zero. Viewer ratio is a pathetic 18.1. Same story on YouTube. It's quiet everywhere you look, and that's just for the game.
As for the show, you've got it backwards: no matter how big the name or the heroes, it's the show that brings the audience to the game, not the other way around. Especially when we're talking about a game that's well-known but still very much a niche

>>563056628
>First of all, what makes you think a DE2 would be the game Pricefielders actually wanted?
In the state it was originally planned? Doubtful. But if they added fanservice in reasonable amounts instead of stupidly using it to replace everything else, then that's exactly what it would've been

>>563057496
Actually, no. It would have been easier. Sure, they would've had to sacrifice something, but sacrificing one thing is still better than sacrificing everything

Any new Emma/Afterlaughs with new Chloe?

>>563062241
I think the fire plot is mostly unchanged from the original plan for DE2 other than Chloe being involved in the investigation. This idea that an amazing story existed and was scrapped just seems unlikely. Even if there were great story elements that we missed out on, it would have been lackluster in execution due to a lack of dev time anyway.

>>563069428
you can tell exactly what was made before the pivot. the beginning and the mabon party actually have some polish, unlike the rest of the game
>than Chloe being involved in the investigation
that's exactly where all the resources went. they should've made her just part of a single investigation branch instead of the whole thing

>>563070510
I mostly liked Reunion even outside of the fanservice aspect, so I can't say it was wasted time. It's serviceable, but I can see a better game in it if they had more time. The climax is actually one of the best in the whole series.

>>563069428
>I think the fire plot is mostly unchanged from the original plan for DE2
I do believe they changed the main reason for the plot from a supernatural powered cause to a more mundane event like Vinh and the other guy setting Caledon on fire

>>563072529
>The climax is actually one of the best in the whole series
Bullshit

>>563073882
Better than BTS, TC, and DE. 1 and 2 are better. Guess it's in the middle.

>>563075904
Actually, I'm kind of mixed on the climax of 1.

>>563076449
It drags a bit with the nightmare but it works well

>>563033278
Pricefielders should be buying Reunion since they got exactly what they asked for.

I’m surprised by this debate. Do people not remember that Double Exposure was originally one game that got split into two? And this was meant to be the start of several games and spin-offs. At least that was the plan.

The next part was going to be Diamond and Max discovering bigger conspiracies tied to Safi’s family, Max’s powers, and even a link back to Arcadia Bay. That was all being set up for future games. It was also introducing two new characters with powers. And Chloe was being saved for something later down the line.

It was never going to work, and the writing team was glad they got to change direction

>>563083449
Yeah but what were Diamonds powers? And who the fuck those two other people where? We need more than snippets

>>563083449
de's writing team or re's was glad?

>>563087036
Reunion

>>563086167
No idea about Diamond. Something with the elements for the two new ones

>>563087826
Were those two actually characters that appear in Reunion as side NPCs?

>>563087341
Oh, so I guess that’s why those two hacks wrote even more hints connecting Max’s powers to Safi’s family than there were in DE. Makes total sense

>>563088903
How would I know that. But a lot of things were mocapped that went unused.
>>563088970
They didn’t rewrite the entire game. They just changed it.

>>563090654
Where did you get all of this info btw?

>>563090654
>They didn’t rewrite the entire game.
they could’ve easily left that out if it doesn't make sense anymore. it wouldn't have affected the overall plot of Reunion at all.
>They just changed it.
what exactly did they change?

>>563091571
My bet is they removed all the pieces tied to the most glaring DE2 plot points and just added the Max and Chloe scenes in moments they were supposed to be together

I need some AIslop of DE/Reunion.
I desperately need hagmax to be real

>>563039325
I have no idea why you believe that. DE was a trainwreck, and the studio very clearly responded and pivoted to what they believed would sell the best after the backlash.
You're entirely ignoring that a majority of the people who got burned with DE were never going to put their faith in ANY sequel. Especially when it's a very easy game to just watch a streamer/youtuber play without spending any money on it and not feel like you missed out on any gameplay

>>563048875
>You don't understand, there was MARKET RESEARCH TO SHOW PEOPLE WANTED MAX BACK
People have been asking for another Max and Chloe game for a fucking decade. I have no idea why you're refusing to acknowledge this. You're in a fucking general that has posted max and chloe content for more than 10 years.
>Dude SE just made an idiotic decision with absolutely no research at all to what the fans wanted!
No, more like SE came into the room, flopped their fat dick on the table and said "Rewrite this piece of dogshit immediately to whatever a majority of the fans want", and surprise surprise, it ended up being bringing Chloe back
It's laughable that you think this wasn't a decision based on research, internal data, and what they thought would sell the most after experiencing the backlash of DE

>>563048875
>or Diamond getting powers.
Absolutely no one gave a shit that Diamond was getting powers. In fact, it's a huge reason why people made fun of DE for their "avengers assemble" tier ending of Safi running off to find people with powers, with absolutely no plan in mind on how to do it.
In fact, Diamond and the decision to give her powers was so unpopular, that they went from originally planning to have her be a playable character, to giving her a fucking phone call cameo at the end of the game. You are fucking delusional if you believe that anyone cared about Diamond. You keep screeching about 'data this, data that', but at the same time believe that the rewrites were simply done on an impulse and not a data driven move in response to all the feedback from the flop

>>563103604
>majority
You're throwing those words around pretty easily while ignoring the fact that DE's sales matched its engagement perfectly. As for how many people burned out and wouldn't return - that's all just pure speculation
>watch a streamer/youtuber
The stream numbers are pathetic too. Nobody is interested in the game in its current form

>>563104107
>People have been asking for another Max and Chloe game for a fucking decade. I have no idea why you're refusing to acknowledge this
They have, but now that we finally got that game, the sales made it clear that there aren't actually that many of them. They simply can't sustain the sales needed for the game to even break even
>You're in a fucking general that has posted max and chloe content for more than 10 years.
I've been lurking here long enough to know that for most of that time, it was just one person posting the same shit on repeat. You can see for yourself how often this thread has to be dragged back from page 10 - and it's only been two weeks since the release of a game dedicated entirely to Pricefield

>>563104648
>Absolutely no one gave a shit that Diamond was getting powers. In fact, it's a huge reason why people made fun of DE
Maybe, but if you actually look at social media and read the reviews - especially the low-score ones - you'll see it's the second most asked question after "where are the other romance paths?" Whether the idea was good or bad, they planted it in people's heads and then just completely failed to address it or provide any payoff
>You keep screeching about 'data this, data that', but at the same time believe that the rewrites were simply done on an impulse and not a data driven move in response to all the feedback from the flop
I have no idea what data they used for the rewrites, but judging by the engagement being comparable to DE and the sales being even lower, whatever they made is definitely not what people wanted

>>563113082
>I've been lurking here long enough to know that for most of that time, it was just one person posting the same shit on repeat.
Kek, you mean the "comfy" times that keeps being thrown around here? What a fucking joke. It's a shame the earliest archives are only from 2019 onwards but that's been going on even before that. Once the LiS 2 and TC hype died down, the general regressed back to that infantile shit.

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>>563115467
The story in these games... it still blows me away.

I hope they at least keep the multimedia stuff going, like the novels and comics. Ive accepted that the games are dead but there's other ways to keep the series going in some way.

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>>563115467
lmao

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>>563076449
1 absolutely climaxed with this scene. Max going through hell in the dark room only to drive straight into the storm for her one last hope of saving Chloe while wearing her necklace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FRVoa1L3LI

>>563113082
I've gotta be honest here. It just seems like you're too stupid to understand the simple concept that if people didn't like a game, they aren't likely to come back for the sequel, even if the sequel promises to fix things. There's really no point in a conversation if you can't accept this. It's like being unable to understand why customers who got food poisoning from a burger place wouldn't come back even if you promise the next burger won't make them sick

>>563125329
7 out of 10 people who played DE liked it. These people most likely would’ve come back for a sequel if they were given something that met their established expectations

>>563119360
That scene is really fucking good, but I wouldn't consider it the climax. The climax is Max and Chloe at the lighthouse.

>>563126158
>most likely
Crazy you hinge your beliefs on a what if. I am just catching up to your posts, so forgive me if I missed something, but Reunion seems to be doing well for the shitty prospects it had.

>>563113082
Jesus, this is just sad. The idea that there are hordes of DE fans who refused to buy Reunion because the worst romance options in the entire series were not included is just pure delusion. That’s just your own wishful thinking. You’re just using Max for some weird personal fantasy

>>563139109
desu they're right. these people are the easiest low-hanging fruit to bait back into the sequel, it's only been a year and a half

>>563140771
What people? Lol this entire series has always hinged on Max and Chloe, Sean and Daniel, and Alex and Steph. It was always about partnerships, severing that made the game less impactful.

>>563141265
Holy cope

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Wolf-bros...

>>563141661
>reunion slop
hahaha

>>563141442
Show me which part is cope?

>>563141762
Why do you faggots even haunt this thread? You clearly hate the game, fill in the gap for me.

>>563141661
The existence of the remasters will never not annoy me. Not just because these in particular are bad, there's just zero need for remasters of PS4 era games. It's always a fucking scam.

>>563141265
>Sean and Daniel
Complete flop. Devs literally had to bail.
>Alex and Steph
Released at the perfect time, yet barely broke even. They panicked and brought Max back to save the franchise.
>Max and Chloe
Marketed as the "epic finale," but sold a pathetic 60k copies in two weeks. Already tanked to #257 on the top sellers.

>>563143921
And bringing Max back failed too. But it was probably their best chance. Like it or not, DE was just the wrong game, and the timing was terrible too. It didn’t help that it was poorly written and had unlikable characters.

But what does it matter now? We just have to accept that it’s over.

>>563126158
>7 out of 10 people who played DE liked it.
You keep throwing this statistic around, but I don't think it's based on anything real. The steam reviews for the game are mixed, and very obviously the rewrites happened because D9 did not have confidence that enough people liked the direction they were going in.

>>563144848
Bringing back Max without Chloe was always going to end badly. I have no idea why the writers thought it would work. Especially since once you remove Chloe and the rewind powers, there's not really a reason to have Max be the protag other than nostalgia baiting. DE with a new protag and more polish could have been okay. But with Max people were hoping/expecting for the type of quality we got from the first LIS, which obviously DE did not have

>>563146494
>very obviously the rewrites happened because D9 did not have confidence that enough people liked the direction they were going in
Don't even look at what D9/SE are doing. They're completely clueless and prove it with every single move. Imagine being so delusional that you start pushing ads a few days after launch just because of 3k positive reviews. It's a narrative game, ffs. They're literal idiots.
I bet they're genuinely wondering right now why sales are so abysmal. Even with a cut marketing budget, this is nowhere near the numbers they expected from Pricefield bait

>>563147883
Couldn't help but notice you entirely ignored me calling out your fake statistic about 7/10 people liking DE

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>>563147995
technically he's right, 68% is basically 7 out of 10. steam only has a binary choice anyway.

>>563146641
Obviously. And it also needed to follow up the story of Life is Strange in a meaningful way, which means the best time to make that sequel was probably five years ago.

I also think the whole Chloe situation is kind of funny. They probably had focus groups and surveys telling them that Chloe was controversial, so they decided to try making a sequel without her. But that ignores the simple fact that the people most interested in a sequel were fans of Max and Chloe.

And then they replaced her with Safi, who is worse in almost every possible way. I really do think the people behind Double Exposure were just deeply incompetent.

>>563141661
Wolfbros... are we... vindicated?

>>563144848
>unlikable characters
suddenly all these unlikeable characters are fan favorites now. Pricefielders caught Safi-mania out of nowhere. i've seen many of them saying they just want to vibe with Amanda and wish the Turtle was a real place. those who actually played DE are just sitting here like wtf? crazy how fickle people are, lol

>>563150639
You can’t keep reinventing reality just because you like DE. Just take the loss and move on. In the end, everyone lost. There are no winners here.

>>563150639
Turns out not giving something a chance would backfire. Who knew.

>>563150639
Take your meds

>>563151351
literally clipped the wings of a sequel that was built entirely around their own ship

>>563149692
>I really do think the people behind Double Exposure were just deeply incompetent.
This really is the core of the issue. The concept of bringing Max back without Chloe was already a bad idea, especially when you insult the fans who chose to save Chloe by telling them she dumps Max off screen. It would have taken incredible writing to make up for the already bad concept, but what we got was just terrible
>Safi is absolutely intended to be a replacement Chloe, while being an insufferable terrible person, ie her choosing to traumatize Lucas's kid for petty revenge against Lucas
>We get TOLD that Safi is such a great person and important to Max without actually seeing their relationship develop or anything like that. We hardly get any scenes with her before she's dead and timelines split
>Other than being told that Safi is super important to Max, we the player don't really see a compelling reason why Max would risk a storm all over again just to save her. It worked with Chloe in the first game because Max saved her when she had no idea it would cause a storm
>Turns out Max doesn't have to choose when it's not Chloe and can just undo the storm, spitting in the face of the first games ending entirely
The entire LIS franchise can be a case study for why sometimes you should just give the fans what they want instead of insisting you know better. It's ridiculous that between DontNod and D9 it took them 10 years of kicking and screaming about how Max/Chloe are the past, to finally accept that if they wanted to sell more copies they had to bring them back. And even then they fucked it with DE because they were sure they knew better.
If a proper Max/Chloe sequel came out 5 years ago it would have sold like hotcakes

>>563154020
>If a proper Max/Chloe sequel came out 5 years ago it would have sold like hotcakes

What happened to the 'If MUH CHLOE was in DE it would've sold millions' rhetoric, clown? Abandoned it already? Seeing how hard Reunion is flopping, you had to shift the goalposts retrospectively?

>>563154597
If Chloe was in DE it would have sold better than it did. That doesn't change the fact that they struck when the iron was fucking ice cold when fans had been wanting more Max and Chloe ever since the first game. From the trailer of LIS2 people were telling them they wanted more Max and Chloe and were ignored

>>563154020
holy wall of coperella

>>563151294
just go the listwt, anon

>>563149692
>I really do think the people behind Double Exposure were just deeply incompetent.
Key decision makers were definitely incompetent. But seeing how clunky and surface-level the writing in Reunion is, for both the leads and the DE cast, the people who wrote them in DE actually went up in my book a little

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>>563151351
They’ll figure it out eventually

don't know if anyone noticed but they removed the pride flags from the bar in Reunion
they were super visible in DE

>>563161991
Oh what could've been if these retards actually just used an ounce of brainpower to try and understand literally anything.

>>563163123
Yeah, there are threads about this on Reddit and X

>>563163273
Reunion would've had a way bigger budget, that's for sure

>>563161991
When you have low standards, cinematics can make up for a pretty mediocre story

>>563166270
Are you seething because Reunion didn't have the budget for actual cinematics? My condolences, anon. Lmao

>>563166270
>reading comprehension
Oh, deary me. It's always like this.