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>Fallout 4 Resources:
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>Fallout 1 and 2 Resources:
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>Fallout 3 and New Vegas Resources:
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https://mapgenie.io/fallout-3/maps/capital-wasteland
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>/fog/ Modding Guides
http://vivanewvegas.moddinglinked.com/
http://themidnightride.moddinglinked.com/index.html
>/fog/ Asset and Mod Repository
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>/fog/ MSPaintAdventures
http://rentry.org/fogwasters
>Maps:
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Fallout New Vegas: https://mapgenie.io/fallout-new-vegas/maps/mojave-wasteland
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Pre-War thread: >>562471029
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Alright, assuming you were doing something significantly more than remaking FNV. Like a rewriting of sorts.
-How would you re-write the Legion to make them more appealing as a faction to side with?
-Or, if you find the Legion to be a bunch of skirt-wearing pansies, what would you create in their place?
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>>563179580
>-How would you re-write the Legion to make them more appealing as a faction to side with?
You would have to put women in some sort of role of authority. Like natural medicine doctors or something that doesn't show them as wholly evil
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>>563179580
>-How would you re-write the Legion to make them more appealing as a faction to side with?
Wouldn't really rewrite them, but expand on the cut content idea of seeing Legion controlled territory, and at least one Legion aligned companion.
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>>563179580
Aren't they supposed to be providing order and security? You could probably start with that so that rather than just crucifying and enslaving people as we see in the game, have it where people in the Legion are more akin to serfs. They have to work, but the Legion will feed and protect them. Meanwhile in the NCR you have your freedom, freedom to starve to death or have a pack of geckos tear apart your village
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>>563179580
Show what life is like in the Legion territories for non-combatants. Caesar talks about permanent Legion settlements but since we never get to experience them we only really have the perspective that comes from the most aggressive militaristic parts of their culture. It would be like your entire impression of Americans being living in Afghanistan and meeting soldiers off base.
My issue every time I attempt a Legion playthrough that you go to the camp and meet people there and it's just "hey look at slaves suffering" and if you play as a female courier there's clear rape threats happening to you. Makes it very hard to sympathize. In general the game makes a sort poor attempt showing the Legion punishing people who are genuinely evil. Raul makes references to how the Legion wiped out gangs in Arizona and while I understand why the Legion would leave the fiends alone to cause chaos in the NCR, if some similarly horrendous gang was killed by Legion it would kind of soften their image.
The general setting of the game also gives the NCR bonus points right off the bat because they are the already established force in the region. The Legion are invaders, bringing their military force. That instantly makes most people critical of them before the intro slides even end. The fact you never visit any Legion settlements or even really talk to more than a single Legion settler, does the faction no favours. Something as simple as like some sort social hub for support personnel in the Fort where civilians/traders/caravaneers were staying and could tell you even more about life in the Legion would help massively.
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God Bless America
God Bless The Enclave
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>>563179580
1) there should be a significant explorable civilian area so that can actually see the results of the legion's brutality (i.e. safe roads, perhaps good commerce, stories of tribes being uplifted, but also potentially a sense of unease among the lower classes)
2) while i don't think it's completely terrible writing, it's pretty cheap for caeser's successor to be so obviously worse and more extreme than him (and to have this straight up told to the player). it's like they wanted to put in a failsafe so that no one would ever have to lose an internet argument about hating the legion - "oh it doesn't matter what they've done, lanius is gonna ruin it as soon as caeser dies"
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Cracks me up that the only two women you can encounter in the Legion that I can remember off the top off my head are the healer at the fort who's beaten like a dog and not given access to anything, and the little girl who tends to the brahmin. And I guess there's also the generic slave women. It's like they really wanted you to know being a woman in the Legion is AWFUL. They couldn't even bear the thought of having a woman have anything positive to say. Just flat out saying 50% of the Legion population are treated like dogs lmfao. Especially strange when you think about how women in Rome actually had a pretty decent deal when you compare them to the rest of the world at the time
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>>563183245
>Just flat out saying 50% of the Legion population are treated like dogs lmfao
It really highlights why the Legion is losing to the NCR. They're 100% against the Legion and will use anyone who wants to fight or support them.
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You know I'm starting to think they might just be done with the Burning Springs at this point. (I did really want them to make the river area buildable)
The sparseness of the recent updates feels like they're just focusing on their big finale update for Summer 2027 (almost certainly the Capital Wasteland).
We know at some point there's going to be a little something for Skyline Valley, but these recent updates have been a new low for 76 so I'm really not expecting anything
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>>563179580
>How would you re-write the Legion to make them more appealing as a faction to side with?
Bring back the original ideas from Van Buren like the Daughters of Hecate and have them engage in a civil war with Caesar. If you side with Caesar, the Legion stays a misogynistic, patriarchal military dictatorship. If you side with Hecate, the Legion becomes the female-dominated inverse.
Make it so that Caesar's (or Hecate's) plans for the Mojave isn't to turn everyone into slaves, and highlight that the only people who get made into slaves are usually lawless tribals and raiders with no moral code, rather than civilized types.
Have it so that Caesar breaks character around you more often. If you pass an INT check, he could take you to a secret hideout away from the eyes and ears of his Praetorians, and tell you something like:
>Hey, these fucking retards think I'm a god or some shit, but I'm only using them for my own goals.
>If you help me win, we could rule this shithole together. I'll mint a coin with your face on it, you will become my successor and after that you can reshape the Legion into whatever you want.
>Once we plunder the NCR and Vegas, you can even turn the Legion into Space Romans or Roman Cowboys if you want.
So it slightly mirrors the Elijah ending, two guys just plotting to take over the world with a bunch of smooth-brained simpletons instead of fart gas.
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>>563179580
>How would you re-write the Legion to make them more appealing as a faction to side with
I'd probably tone down the misogyny. The Legion comes across as hateful towards women, when I feel like the Legion should view women akin to children, in that a child doesn't know what's good for them.
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>>563179580
Double down on the Roman-ness. Full priestesshood with an emphasis on fertility. Not for the lewd potential, but because Caesar needs soldiers for his global conquest. As the Son of Mars, he needs soldiers. Simple as.
Give him a High Priestess wife. Whether they actually love each other or not is irrelevant. Having her as a character involved in "civilian affairs", rather than militaristic ones helps to provide a different perspective. The religiosity also helps to show WHAT and WHY people believe in Caesar more than a few lines about "his will is law". Also, there's a certain power in "The power of Juno/Minerva/Venus shall return fertility to the ground of the wasteland." It also helps to ground the female enslavement in a purpose and ideology rather than cruelty for cruelty's sake.
>>563181586
Legion civilian infrastructure is a MUST. I'd kind of love a few simple Fable-esque "jobs" you can do. It'd be the kind of thing players wouldn't do for very long, but it'd show how Legion territory is stable enough that you can just... have a day job.
>>563182364
#2 is simple. Have a questline where you assist Caesar with sorting out the succession. After you help in (in secret) deal with the cancer, he realizes his mortality and works with you to sort it out. (Or the Priestess wife does.)
>Lucius
>Vulpes
>Lanius
>Player (Big Skill checks required)
>>563182483
I've thought about posting that so many times, but thought the cameltoe would get me in trouble. Lol.
>>563184072
Legion really isn't losing, though. NCR is overextended and, without player intervention, is losing every battle in the Mojave. That isn't to say that they wouldn't have lost the big battle, but they're winning when the game starts.
>>563192078
I'd say less him "breaking character", but more "you're capable. I'm bringing you into the decision making." The issue with Lucius, Vulpes, and Lanius is that each is 1/3rd of what he needs his heir to be. The player can exemplify all of it.
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>>563194053
Could be after they opened the Vault
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>>563194371
https://fallout.wiki/wiki/Fill_%27Er_Up_Power_Armor
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>>563182407
>There's nobody more racist and sexist than a white woman
White women are the least likely to engage in interracial dating. Which makes their big talk of diversity hypocritical. Also, women tend to be the ones that spout the woes of capitalism, despite women making up 80% of purchases. The double talk of women is a bit annoying, to be frank.
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>>563159038
House is hot. god forbid I post an attractive man while half the posts are these literal blow up doll bimbo whores.
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>>563195990
Thank you. As a 40kfag it looked real close to space marines, but if it costs atoms then I'll pass for now.
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>>563200604
>40faggot
https://fallout.wiki/wiki/Plague_Rider_Skin
save up seasonal welfare atom bucks
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>>563193810
>I'd say less him "breaking character", but more "you're capable. I'm bringing you into the decision making." The issue with Lucius, Vulpes, and Lanius is that each is 1/3rd of what he needs his heir to be. The player can exemplify all of it.
It definitely is "breaking character", the rest of the Legion doesn't see Caesar as Edward Sallow. Only Joshua knew about Caesar before the Legion because he co-founded the Legion with him. The Legion see Caesar as the Son of Mars, blessed to lead a great triumph over the west. Even doubting Caesar's divinity can get you killed.
If instead, Caesar knew you weren't dumb enough to buy into the religious mumbo jumbo he teaches his soldiers, he should've been able to level with you and explain that he's making the best out of a bad situation and using an army of retards to bring peace and stability to the wasteland. It's lame that Caesar is able to have more in-depth political discussions with an enslaved Arcade than a high INT courier.
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4 > 76
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>>563204169
>The Republic collapses without the dam
The New California doesn't need the Dam. The NCR already won the first Battle of Hoover Dam with their most forward and undermanned force. The Second Battle is getting Ranger reinforcements and support from their homeland political class.
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>>563205456
Only if they have anime boobs
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>>563179580
yeah I would have to agree with the rest of the anons saying to turn down the misogyny
the women should be treated way better but not as equals but also not as slaves, they can't be soldiers necessarily, with the very few exceptions of some being spies for the legion
as for an authoritative position, I can only see a "mother" type of role where someone is teaching the other women and girls of the legions roles
and only this " leading mother" character will be capable of punishing or disciplining another woman, so if a legionnaire has a problem with a woman, instead of beating her, he must restrain himself and report to the "mother" or he will be punished
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>>563208229
I like the Legion being misogynist, I think it makes them unique. That being said, it's still evil what they do and it makes them an unsuitable faction for general gameplay since it alienates the player and most characters. I think it would've been better if they gave more options to a female courier that made siding with the Legion worthwhile, like having a quest to replace Caesar with Hecate as I said before and/or explicitly suggesting that the Legion becomes slightly more progressive and less misogynistic as a result of the courier's actions.
You don't have to tone down the misogyny but simply have it so that the player can explicitly change it somehow. What would've been cool is if they kept the post-game content and added an NPC that thanks the female courier for inspiring Caesar to give women more rights and privileges.
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>>563179580
>How would you re-write the Legion to make them more appealing as a faction to side with?
mostly by showing the negative side of NCR frankly which is barely portrayed
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lean into their strong points, traders praise legion for safe travels, give the jackals/scorpions/Khans more active role in disrupting NCR supply lines, NCR is powerless to stop them until you help in various locations
if Legion takes over show those tribes are defeated or absorbed (would be pretty kino to have entire stretch of road full of crucification victims like macabre Spartacus' punishment) without preamble
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Heck(nice name bud) Gunderson or other big wig Brahmin Baron is escorted by NCR troops, they are passing near a settlement, group of mutants are rounding up locals like cattle, you're just an extra escort
NCR squad is about to intervene but they are ordered to not engage by Baron and leave locals to their fate, if you intervene the quest is failed
unbeknownst to you single local witnessed everything before fleeing
later legion party arrives and kills off mutants and rescues what remained of the locals, each of the locals swore to join Legion, rare example of Legion honor and NCR's failure
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NCR refugees denied food supplies due to bureaucracy
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>>563210424
Sort of curious about this point. There's obviously the historical reference part of it, and Cass makes some jokes about it. But is homosexuality ever mentioned or even implied from the Legion side? I know people joke about Vulpes being a femboy, but are there any members of Legion who make any references? It's been a long time since I've done the Legion route...
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>>563198227
if house was a woman with a botched bbl they wouldnt be acting like that bro
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https://nukaknights.com/articles/mini-season-rip-daring-weapon-expert- april-2026.html
>5 tittles
>1 photomode decal
>3 camp items (one reskin)
damn Todd, putting Scrooge McDuck to shame
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>>563198227
>literal blow up doll bimbo whores.
problem?
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>>563197530
i want to give this veronica an apple
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>>563223117
How about a dress instead?
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>>563214643
that's not even the worst one I've seen. I don't have an issue with it, I just find it funny how someone can be attracted to such absurd body proportions
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>>563209964
Everyone hyperfixates on the Legion's misogyny when their treatment of men is just as bad.
Like sure, Legionaries can treat women as poorly as they like and it's handwaved by Caesar, but they can do that to anyone, including traders. Even the one trader in the game that fellates the Legion because they don't tax him as much, admits that a Legionary killed one of his pack brahmin and he was powerless to do anything about it.
Even Legionaries don't get a fair deal. Legionaries in Ancient Rome got service terms, pay, cash pensions, etc. They could retire peacefully after service with land granted to them from the state. Legionaries in FNV are expected to live for Caesar and die for Caesar, they cannot leave. They are effectively slaves, just like the women are — the only difference is that the men are valued for their combat prowess, and the women are valued for their reproductive potential. The Legion is a utilitarian society, almost exaggeratedly so.
I think realistically the Legion would be much smaller at the time of New Vegas because it's unrealistic that Caesar could conquer an entire state and everyone under it just decides to die for him, while their sisters and mothers become breeding stock for men of different tribes and ethnic makeup.
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>>563228671
>People
It's mainly men. Most men are completely unsympathetic to other men. Women can be terrifyingly sadistic to each other, but they'll still feel more united with each other than with a man who isn't in their immediate family (and even then sometimes they'll side with each other over their own brothers or fathers). Men would torture and kill their own brothers for pussy, it has happened many times in the past throughout history and it will continue to happen because men are instinctually programmed to be simps.
The Legion replaces simping for women with simping for Caesar, which is probably the most significant indirect cause for homosexuality running rampant throughout the Legion. If your whole identity is being submissive to a guy, being dommed by a guy, your closest relatives being cum receptacles for a buff nigger, then yeah you'll probably become a cocksucking twink slave because you'll learn to get off on it, just like cuckolds do.
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>>563236512
So on topic, very riveting discussion
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>>563243307
OG:
>https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/49997
AE:
>https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/88106
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>>563202914
I don't think that he sees himself as Edward Sallow anymore. He has fully assumed the identity. Even if he is completely aware that he is not actually a divine being, he has abandoned his former identity to the degree of attempting to murder anyone who knows of it. He is Caesar.
I agree that I'd of liked more high INT interactivity, but I think we can all agree the Legion got hurt the most by time crunch.
>>563227919
I appreciate your point, but I think you've missed the implicit answer within your own criticism. The men of the Legion get their pick of the litter, so to speak. That's the difference between being a civilian in Legion territory and being a Legionnaire. And, in a post-apocalyptic world much more like the iron age than our own, I can see Caesar finding men willing to leave their families behind for the glory of battle and the prizes (both wealth and flesh) to be had. Especially if you consider the fact that he's had 2-3 decades to religiously indoctrinate people.
Realistically, we should see Centurions returning to tents where they've got a handful of slave women in their bed and gelded manservants to pour wine.
>>563226304
Agreed. I like some busty blondes, but the sheer plasticness of it just ruins it, imho.
>>563224007
Always a dress for Veronica.
>>563210201
Having a more dynamic map would've been a great way to show it, yeah. Having the player run through the area around Nipton, facing several different tribes of savages, only to later find it eerily safe among the crucifixions would definitely feel it, I think. However, I imagine fast traveling would undermine that setup. I think it'd need a more comprehensive map control system that what is achievable in the game, imho. And making it dynamic would completely ruin the story pacing. (IE: Player fully conquers the map for one faction, but quests still act as if the ball is up in the air.) A few set piece territory exchanges would be a huge game changer, though.
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>>563257763
>I can see Caesar finding men willing to leave their families behind for the glory of battle and the prizes (both wealth and flesh) to be had.
Except that never happens. We never see any instances of someone volunteering to join the Legion, because there aren't any logical reasons to do so. Every soldier in the Legion is conscripted, their tribes conquered and their kin enslaved. They are not mercenaries.
There are maybe a few reasons for the player character (still way less than the other factions) to join the Legion but those are heavily dependent on your RP, and those reasons are typically exclusive to the player character like the Legion fast tracking you through their ranks, if you were a nobody the Legion wouldn't give a shit. These reasons are not applicable to 99% of the Legion.
Legion ideology states that the individual has no value to the state beyond what they offer to Caesar; as stated before, they are not rewarded with land grants or pensions. While they carry Legion coins, these coins can only be traded within Legion territory, and the things you can trade them for are minuscule and usually only basic things necessary for survival. I think it's clear these coins are mainly used to trade for provisions such as consumables — hardly living the life of luxury.
>we should see Centurions returning to tents where they've got a handful of slave women in their bed and gelded manservants to pour wine.
This makes it sound like everyone in the Legion just loooves Caesar because he provides whores for their sex addiction. In reality (and even in Fallout), most of the value in owning slaves comes from the ability to trade them. If every slave is property of Caesar, who exactly are Centurions trading slaves to? Quite simply, they aren't. So slaves don't really provide much value to a soldier that he can't get on the battlefield. Since the Legion are rapists they could just end up raping a random tribal or NCR trooper they find in the wastes anyway.
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>>563257763
>he has abandoned his former identity to the degree of attempting to murder anyone who knows of it. He is Caesar.
For the retarded tribals that live under him, sure.
For individuals he sees as useful like the Courier, not at all.
Arcade, as well as many of the Followers, know about his identity as Edward Sallow and yet Caesar not only keeps Arcade around as his personal physician if you enslave him, but also grants the Followers free exit out of the Mojave, something not offered by Lanius.
He also talks about his time in the Followers to the player, so he's not fully disconnected from it yet. It's clear that the "Caesar" act is just a front, he enjoys talking with other intellectuals like Arcade more than he does with any of his lieutenants.
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>You see a hooded woman shrouded in the dust.
>*click*
>*sound effect*
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>>563183245
>the little girl who tends to the brahmin.
Something that made me laugh my ass off was the fact that you get Legion fame for tearing up that little girl's teddy bear in front of her.
Like it's not enough to show that the little girl is a slave that gets treated like shit, you have to make it so that the Legion loves it when you rip apart the only source of comfort she has in front of her.
But hey, safe roads I guess...
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>>563178354
>fallout is dying edition
maybe if you put bethesda annnnywheree in the op people might actually show up here you know
i will kill you
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>>563179580
I don't have much to add really other than what the anons before me have already said. FWIW, Legion priestesses are canon thanks to the official guide, so them existing and being near the front lines raising the child legionnaires alongside their instructors makes sense within the established lore already. I'll bring up one thing nobody here has yet though, the Legion is in dire need of actually likable and charismatic characters. Nearly everyone is either a gruff asshole and/or a complete sociopath, which makes it hard to sympathize or empathize with them. The Legion needs a Bitter-Root type character who has legitimate reasons to support Legion beyond what he was told during indoctrination. One of the Legion quest mods I recently played, Retribution, did this excellently.
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BEAR-BULL!!
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>>563298583
he's not, he's mostly just a mouth piece for Avellone to complain about Obsidian fumbling the bag with Fallout as an IP. The Bear dying is representing Obsidian and a rampaging Bull encroaching on everything is Bethesda.
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>>563298583
I'm not sure what you mean by well written, but I like Ulysses. His character makes sense to me. His tribe would tie knots in their hair that had meaning, so it would make sense that he would place emphasis on symbols (the bear and bull meme). I guess you could say he's "symbol" minded.
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>>563305460
Josh needs to leave Obsidian.
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>>563262408
Yeah it really feeds into the issue of what the Legion really is. Is it just an "evil" faction for evil characters, or is it supposed to be the ultimate "the ends justify the means". Because this sort just being mean for the sake of being mean seems sort of silly and over the top.
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>>563308806
Perhaps I worded it poorly, but having animosity towards groups that you've dehumanized like citizens of the NCR makes it easy to brutalize them sure. And hating fiends, gangs, etc makes sense. But abusing a child just for the sake of it, is such an incredibly "hey look these guys are BAAAAAD, get it they abuse kids" moment.
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I honestly love how much of a seething, petty bitch Dean is. It's so funny.
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>>563308806
The Legion's evil is sometimes over the top and almost performative. Some of this is writing, some of it is voice acting direction, and some of it is implementation (i.e. repeated/shared idle dialogue). Obviously some people do revel in the power they hold, but most people treat their lives fairly nonchalantly, all things considered.
Exaggerated example:
>The slave quarters are right over there.
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>Over there you will find the SLAVE quarters, where we keep the subhuman FILTH that are barely worthy to dig our trenches! Make sure to BEAT a few of them if you go in there, since they deserve it, and maybe give the females some *special* attention.
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Jihadists rape women into submission to use as suicide bombers. That's worse than anything the Legion has ever done, which the Legion are essentially Jihadists.
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Talking to Preston at Concord may have fucked up my save. He turned to Sturges, turned silent, and then it didn't give me any further dialogue options. I quit the conversation and now my character's head is always facing north on the map, and I can't speak to any companions.
Fuck this buggy as shit game.
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>A few years back, we get a tip that some Legion slavers were holed up in this burnt out house a few klicks from where we were stationed. We get there and it's deserted. No sign anyone's been there. I mean nothing. As we're leaving, I hear something behind me. I turn around and there's this kid, just skin and bone, and he's looking up at us and he's scared half to death. Been hiding in a closet. I go to grab him out of there and I notice he's holding something in his hand. Something metal. He shuts himself back inside the closet and that's when I see the grenade he's left by my feet. They do it a lot, the Legion. Using kids. They know we'll hesitate.
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That's the problem with the "ends justify the means" approach. What is a couple of war rapes and murdered children in the grand scheme of things? Those are merely means to a great and good end. Just make sure you actually win and the plan works.
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>>563343157
Yeah, but it's fine because you get perk points every level
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>>563355840
Brosky, are you fucking high? RPGs are built with replay in mind. Sure, the first playthrough should be done without meta knowledge, but the other times should be done with knowledge from previous playthroughs.
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They can, based on Marcus fucking a prostitute in F2. He comments on worrying if he got her pregnant. So, the lack of viability isn't apparent.
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Have you ever made a character whose race is different from your own? I tried just for a normal playthrough but couldn't really get into it, I project onto my characters too much.
I only see white OCs in these threads so I guess it's a common phenomenon? Maybe I'm just autistic
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Does anyone else think that Bethesda always take two steps forward and four steps back with every design decision they make? Fallout 4's perk system would've actually been great if the game itself offered more opportunities to roleplay, and of course if the UI wasn't just a 10x10 grid. I feel like if you ported that system back into New Vegas removing some shitty perks like VANS, having Charisma replace Speech and if you brought back the NV flavor perks (like Terrifying Presence, Sneering Imperialist, etc), you could've actually had a pretty intuitive system for an FPS/RPG.
There's no real reason for there to be four orientation perks either, or even to have them as perks. You could've had one trait called "Sex Appeal", and that could've given you all of the flirty dialogue options but instead of just passing them, their success rate is gauged by CHR. Just because you have access to all of them doesn't mean you should pick them all the time, and maybe, just maybe, percentage-based speech checks (while awful in most scenarios) do have some justified application in certain contexts, just not for every speech check.
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I mean, sure, Bethesda could do it, but I don’t think it’d be any good. It’s still modern-day Bethesda, they’re absolutely terrible at writing. I’d much rather have a game that doesn’t pretend to be a deep RPG and is just a fun sandbox like Fallout 4 than a pathetic attempt at an RPG like Fallout 3.
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Your analogy doesn't work. You’ve been served lasagne by a chef who’s been making nothing but lasagne for the last 20 years and suddenly you start bitching that you want pizza because some other chef made you a pizza once. I mean, they used to make pizza here, but now they make lasagne. If you like, you can go to that new place where that old chef still makes pizza
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It's more like if the place that once served lasagne started making progressively shittier lasagne up until they started serving it without the sauce or the cheese. When people start complaining that the lasagne isn't really a lasagne anymore, there's retards like you that go "It was never really lasagne to begin with, just sheets of pasta! Sure it used to be something resembling lasagne 20 years ago, but hey, it was still pretty shitty" like that just excuses the fact that instead of making better lasagne, the restaurant just decided to serve pasta instead, while still calling it lasagne.
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Does anyone know if the very subtle auto-aim system in 3 and NV is affected by weapon skill?
I mean, is the game more likely to cheat with your shots if you have a higher skill?
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BoS runs in 4 are always fun. Guaranteed PA and heavy weapons are a blast. Fallout 4 should've just been an FPS spinoff.
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Think about Fallout as a lasagna from a local Italian restaurant. The sauce is a bit too sour, but it’s otherwise what you might expect. A few years pass and the restaurant is bought out by a fast food chain. Everything from the sauce to the pasta to the cheese is changed and everybody knows the reason is the “cost of the ingredients” despite the chain having much more money and time than the previous local owner. All of the locals quit going but the recognizable chain offsets the losses with its own larger consumer base. Then the chain releases the New Lasagna, a highly controversial menu item that uses processed insects in place of ground meat, and features vegan pasta and cheese. In addition, the sauce is much too sweet and flavored with artificial sweeteners. This abomination of food tarnishes the chain’s reputation and makes many customers angry but is ultimately not pulled from the menu. The New Lasagna simply exists alongside the “classic” menu items, items that have already been modified beyond recognition. Then the chain quietly pulls the “classic” lasagna from the menu entirely and begins advertising its bug lasagna as lasagna. A longstanding customer of the chain points out that the lasagna isn’t really lasagna, it’s artificial, tasteless, and low quality factory food to its core. The vegans reply that for people who want to eat meat, McDonald’s has a restaurant on the same street.
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https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/103535
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Replaying FNV for the umptheenth time recently this sort of stuck out to me. It's one of very few games that mentions rape as explicitly as it does. Like you talk to members of First Recon and they don't use some euphemism or avoid specifics. It's one of many tonally weird things about Fallout 4. Fallout 4 feels incredibly sanitized, and has a very odd cartoony almost child friendly vibe. It's stuck in my mind for a while but I can't really formulate what makes it so important to the universe feeling real, without making it sound like "I want rayp in fallout"
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OWB is so reddit as a dlc and the quests suck ass, but it's still peak. i love these lil niggas like you wouldn't believe
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>>563419556
there is no rape in 76
there is however something similar, you can help out vault overseer gain full mind control over his family and vault denizens, you can hear spark of resistance in their voice
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>>563416241
Fallout 3 had rape in it too. Not always as explicitly as New Vegas, but you had things like:
>Clover and Crimson, both sex slaves for Eulogy
>Silver and Nova, both Moriarty's prostitutes. One of whom Moriarty won't pay a fair wage or even let go of, even asking you to track her down and kill her (so she's effectively a sex slave), and the other is simply repaying a debt to him (but it's heavily implied that she will have the same fate).
>Moriarty's terminal mentioning that Jericho tried to rape Jenny Stahl
>Sydney's mother, who was raped and killed by raiders
>Paladin Kodiak mentioning that the Pitt pre-Brotherhood was filled with "rape gangs"
In Fallout 3, you can even kidnap kids for the local sex slavery gang. Flash forward to Fallout 4, Cait's parents had to wait for her to turn 18 before making her a raider onahole.
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>>563420147
4 just has a bunch of weird little quirks where they seemed like they pulled back at the last minute
>3 has rape and even sex slaves, there's not a single instance of that in 4
>The servants of Nuka World are called "Traders" instead of "Slaves"
And of course the big one
>Cait's parents waited to sell their daughter until she was legally an adult by the old world standard
76 just doesn't really have any edge to it. The "Raiders" might be one of the worst written factions in a Bethesda Fallout. They're not even that evil ffs because Bethesda must not have wanted you to join the bad guys. The pre-wastelanders stuff was at least a little better in this regard, but all the new content is just so watered down
And Starfield doesn't even let you take enemy clothes and has no gore whatsoever.
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>>563421112
You know what I never really payed attention to it but you're right the traders at nuka world arent called slaves. Mckenzie is a qt i can just imagine how many times colter had his way with her.
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In Fallout 3, there's even environmental storytelling in Evergreen Mills pointing to the idea that the raiders there were using child sex slaves as strippers (you can find teddy bears and toys alongside stripper poles and stages). That same dungeon has cells that they were clearly holding slaves in. There's nothing like that in 4.
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>>563422301
Another small thing that fortunately gets reverted in 76 is that they use shock collars instead of explosive collars
However 76 continues 4's "Trader" trend by calling the Pitt slaves "Laborers". At least 76's version makes more sense, but they're still clearly afraid to say the scary word in a game that's supposed to be about the apocalypse
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>>563424356
pipe weapons are awesome as fuck
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>>563416241
what I meant by this post is that Fallout 4 and onwards feels almost pg13. Sure you still have over the top violence and gore, but it never actually feels horrifying in any way. Part of it is art-style of course, but it's also just the balance of actual suffering to comedy ratio. Fallout has always had great comedic moments but they've existed within a world that has been pretty horrifying. There's always existed characters who don't take things seriously, or are in some way wacky. But those have usually been treated as an anomaly. Meanwhile in 4 and onwards nearly every character is some over-exaggerated stereotypical wacky personality.
I really can't place my finger on why it just doesn't work to set a tone. You can describe a lot of things that you see and that happen that are horrific, but it all just feels very plasticky and fake.
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The laser musket might be the worst fucking gun in the whole series. It literally NUKES the lore harder than Tenpenny nuked Megaton.
Laser weaponry was cutting-edge in 2077 and incredibly rare, although since F3 it's never really been treated as such — a subject for another discussion. In Fallout 2, you find out the Salvatore family carries laser weapons because of a secret deal with the Enclave, and it's treated like a big deal. Laser weapons in F1-FNV are mainly carried by super mutants, Enclave/BoS, or in FNV, Fiends (although it makes sense given that they harass the NCR for the Van Graffs/Legion). All in all, energy weapons are clearly restricted to all but those who are either given them by wealthy suppliers, or acquired them through salvaging pre-war ruins.
In Fallout 4 however, you have the Minutemen who:
>are poor as shit farmers who can't even afford to defend their own settlements
>are living in the middle of nowhere
>there are no trader caravans that sell energy weapons
And to top it all off, they have somehow disassembled existing laser rifles to repurpose into a shitty makeshift musket for some reason — instead of just repairing the existing laser rifles which they shouldn't even have. How do they mass produce these things?
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>>563426396
we already had this argument
it came down to
>West was technologically less advanced / shipped out most good stuff to the chinese/alaskan front and left with mil. surplus
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>Wondering why I'm constantly struggling with weight
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Thanks bro.I started 2 months ago and I didn't realize it was so heavy. I was carrying 30 pounds of it after I picked a bunch up from a brown bag on the ground.I'm gonna be chugging down that garbage for a while.Between the mystery bags and the flux at least my weight issue is solved now.
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>>563439912
Looks like your character's a little short there, huh?
Should've gone with an unarmed build. It's pretty silly.
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>>563343157
there's no need for it unless you're minmaxing
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>>563343157
i have not done that in years
check what you want from the special system and then factor in the stat bobbleheads + free book and you wait this is
i got a mod that puts all mags and bobbles at the start nevermind me good luck bro
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Playing Fallout 4 for the first time. Is there anything else besides the unofficial patch I should get in terms of mods? I'm, just looking for bug fixes. I want my first playthrough to be as vanilla as possible.
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>>563443180
I hate ghouls!
>>563443314
Lol, never have any in my inventory.
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I'm trying to play with BB gun only! Wish there would be special versions like in FNV.
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>>563448556
For me it was the Industrial Hand when I did it in New Vegas and Frontier. Just running up to people and sawing them in their legs
All the cutscenes in the Frontier didn't play nicely with the mod though
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>>563448046
You can check the OP for the must have basic mods or just use the Wabbajack
http://themidnightride.moddinglinked.com/index.html
Or see which collection suits you best here
https://www.nexusmods.com/games/fallout4/collections?sort=downloads
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The Brotherhood's racism gives me the ick. Imagine your enemy has the power to shit super mutants into existence and teleport across the Commonwealth at will, and you go to war with them because you want to purge the wasteland of a cute French scientist and Buzz Lightyear.
It would be like if in New Vegas, Caesar didn't want to kill House to stop him from being a competitor, but simply because the Securitrons make him scawwed.
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The institute is so poorly written it drags the other factions down out of sheer stupidity. It's like a black hole of retardation, devouring the games plot from the inside out.
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That's smart but do get a few mods that fix some common bugs and stuttering
https://themidnightride.moddinglinked.com/bugfix.html
Community Fixes Merged and Previsibines Repair Pack (or PRPFX Merged) at least will make the game run smoother
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>>563428696
>inert flux
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>>563455595
>It's not the Institute's fault in that case
It is, the single-minded obsession with having gen 3 synths exist in a way that defies all logic warps the entire narrative into a clusterfuck of nonsense. There are countless better ways to give the ending a "boom". Just like there were countless different ways to write a better plot, that wasn't based entirely off a retards take on blade runner.
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>>563456130
>12
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The idea of synths is so fucking hot. Picture a perfect 10/10 android chick — she doesn't need to sleep, eat, or drink and she's immune to disease. Her beauty emanates like a full moon at midnight, she's way out of the league of common wasteland bitches, and no matter how hard they try to emulate her charm, they fail.
But here's the kicker — she's a slave. She was designed to lure powerful men into her bed to practice "gentle persuasion" for the Institute. After finally facilitating the replacement of a mayor from a powerful settlement on the outskirts of the Commonwealth, she finds herself promoted to Courser. From here, her duties mainly revolve around finding escaped or "defective" synths and recalling them back to the Institute.
Despite being conditioned since birth to believe that she's a mindless husk, she knows deep down that she isn't. Bottled up inside her heart, she knows that she's just as conscious as everyone else. She feels sorrow when one of her friends gets their personality wiped after a "glitch", she feels happy when her master tells her that she's succeeded expectations, and last but not least, she feels thankful for the gift of life, no matter how hard it may be.
But we never get told these kinds of stories in Fallout 4. Despite being the focal point of the game's plot, they're a complete afterthought, and not even the characters in the game can properly convey what they even are or why they were built to be this way. I like synths as a concept (because they make my dick hard), but I hate how they are written.
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>>563457309
The Frontier forced me into that ugly outfit when your character gets force-captured by the Legion
Typically she rocked this awesome coat
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>>563459236
I'm not quite sure what went wrong, but at least you don't typically see your own face in a first person game
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>>563443960
Do you have Real Time Reflections and a patch for it?
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So that other mods can use it.
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I went DEEP into this and it's caused by the AttachExtraCamera method culling things inside it's frustum. There is no actual fixing it. Pic related, look how the "mask" is not a 2D image, but an actual invisible 3D object being rendered in front of the smoke.
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>Don't need to eat
>Don't need to drink
>Don't need to sleep
>Immune to disease
>Immune to radiation
Synths are by all means an objective enhancement over humanity. However, it is these things which make them unfit for purpose. They aren't particularly well-fitted spies, and even if they were, the Institute doesn't need spies, it needs reasonable leadership.
The Institute would've been more believable if they were using synths as a slave race to rebuild the Commonwealth. You could've had synths providing labor for an Institute city above ground or synths providing healthcare for patients in Institute settlements. Their long-term plans would involve creating a new generation of synths that could have children of their own.
That could've been where the player comes in. Since you're Shaun's father, and the Institute created the synths from his DNA, you could've had it so that in order to develop synths that could reproduce freely, the Institute needed DNA from two close relatives i.e. a father and a son.
Then you could put Curie into a Gen 4 synth body and have children with her, as Father intended.
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>>563470346
You forgot
>Don't have a soul
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>Somebody had two 4-star sawbone mods for sale in their vendor for 7k each
Took all the money I had but I got both of them.
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>>563470739
The Dichotomy of fallout enjoyers
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Nice, i've been hoovering up cheap 4 stars in hopes to learn effects.
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>>563472649
I learned Battle Loader off an armor piece from Bigfoot. I don't think Battle Loader is worth much to other peeps though. This mutation week has been a godsend, I must have learned like 4 mod recipes for 1 and 2 stars.
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Once I get Brotherhood recon armor from Minerva this week, I'll craft a set. I have one sawbone rusted metal piece right now, so I just use it for QOL. So one will go on the BOS recon chest, the otherI'm going to give to my little brother so he has one too
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>>563472396
I recently grabbed 3 ranger's 4 stars off some dudes vendor for 4k each.
I don't like vats so I'm not doing limit breakers I don't care how much more damage I could be doing I already blow the shit out of ultracite snake solo.
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>Sawbones comes from ultrasnake
I totally believe you, but I've never done gleaming depths before and yet somehow I got this armor. The only thing I know drops 4 star armor is bigfoot, so it had to have come from him, unless it was another 4 star event invader.
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am I talking to father fog, Mr. Fog. Am I gonna get a bad grade in posting.
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>This mutation week has been a godsend, I must have learned like 4 mod recipes for 1 and 2 stars.
Good to hear, never hurts to throw in a few grunt hunts/ head hunts for variety.
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Interesting pivot of style, from heavy linework to no lines.
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The tonal shift between the Point Lookout mod and the Commonwealth is striking. One is somber, desolate, and full of little things to find. The soundtrack, while not great, feels fitting when put over the top of scavenger hunts.
The other burns your retinas with its oversaturated color palettes reminiscent of the Jetsons, has swathes of generic super mutants or raiders every quarter mile, more explosions than a Michael Bay movie, and the same prefab shacks everywhere. The soundtrack is basically the same shit everywhere you go, with a massive accordion that goes VUUUUUM VUUUUM all the time, because you gotta know that this place you're exploring is DANGEROUS... like the fucking super mutants you shat out everywhere didn't make us aware of that already.
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>Could have leveraged your advanced tech, immense material wealth, and position of near complete safety to secure long term diplomatic and territorial goals literally whenever you wanted
>instead spend 50+ years on a brutal terror campaign against innocent civilians, dedicate all your time and resources (plus more dead civilians) into the production of synthetic humans that are uncontrollable by design and are such an obvious and immediate threat to your own security you have to gaslight yourself into pretending they can't do the things you specifically built them to do, all so you can slowly KILL EVEN MORE RANDOM CIVILIANS and carry out basic tasks that most certainly did not require the reinvention of chattle slavery. With the end goal of finally doing the things you could gave already done at any time, only now everyone REALLY hates you, because you decided LARPing as evil wizards was more important than sensible trade and diplomacy.
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>You wouldn't get ittttttttttttttt....it....it....it...
>>563484686
I watched the film adaptation of A Boy and His Dog recently and it reminds me of what good post-apoc writing looked like after having to deal with dogshit stories like Fallout 3 and 4. There's so much you can do with the Institute as a concept that is just wasted on Emil and his paper airplane of hack writers.
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>Point Lookout
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in conversation. I thought that was hilarious. I also thought I disabled HDR for screenshots, but evidently I did not, whoops.
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Recording took place in 2010. Completely different time and morals back then.
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My guess is they wanted a girl character to promote the Atomic Wrangler, to show the depravity of the post-apocalypse, but chickened out and used an adult model. There was no point in wasting those lines.
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idk what to do now except travel with arcade because i have never actually completed his quest and i know he is related to the enclave somehow based on some of his introductory dialogue and i know the faction exists ingame. i think i will take him along for the rest of the brotherhood quest
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That includes "voice" line like E-DE
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>>563520645
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>>563204392
Yeah, They're keeping troops there for shits and giggles.
Just because the politicians underestimate the Legion, doesn't mean they don't care about the Mojave's resources.
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Because the lakes back west have dried up. Did we play the same game?
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>>563508364
>a Great Khan inexplicably having a native Kiwi accent
That was an error??
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>>563523734
think about it, the selection at the vault was extremely small. Only what, 4-5 males your age and most of them are bullies who attack you? Why wouldn't you want to fuck your handsome, intelligent dad?
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The voice lines go to an acting firm and then they select the people to read the lines. I'm guessing Obsidian couldn't go through the VAs unless they under contract or the voice actors were already paid ahead of time
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It's home to a bunch of crazy tribals that worship the Poo-nga.
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Let's be real, if a Fallout 3/NV remake was announced tomorrow, and it was in the 4/76 engine, would anyone go back to playing 4? I certainly wouldn't. The gameplay loop and mods can be fun but if you can get that in a game with a better story, map, enemies, quests, etc, what's the point of playing the inferior game?
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>>563536371
>The maps of Fallout 3 and New Vegas weren't designed to be sandboxes
It's the opposite. The Mojave and D.C. were meticulously handcrafted for players to explore every inch of it. There's lots of environmental storytelling, secret loot, shortcuts, etc. Things like that make those games worth replaying. FO3's map was shittier than FNV's in this regard but it still had fun stuff to metagame around like the shortcut to Rivet City you can take along the river (instead of navigating the subway tunnels).
FO4 has nothing like this, the Commonwealth is more like a bunch of disconnected setpieces and shooting galleries.
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It doesn't make sense why Maxson's BoS hates Lyons so much.
Sure, Lyons was a shitty leader. He disobeyed orders, detached from the Brotherhood's original mission, and led many members of his chapter to their deaths at the hands of super mutants, but he also created an empire that spanned far across the East Coast. Canonically, the Brotherhood after FO3 have immense leverage over the Capital Wasteland due to owning and maintaining Project Purity, they beat the Enclave and built multiple Prydwens (according to the show) from the technology they salvaged from them, and the Brotherhood have never had more power over the lives of ordinary wastelanders even when they were smaller and more scattered across the West Coast.
Furthermore, while the new recruits would probably be indoctrinated into Maxson's cult, surely some of them (particularly the scribes) would be able to infer enough about Brotherhood history to know that Lyons established the policies that would allow the BoS to recruit wastelanders, right? Policies which coincidentally, would make their way to the West Coast (again according to Max's backstory from the show) and completely reform the BoS across the entire US? So Lyons somehow became the most influential Elder in recent history, even overshadowing Maxson. So why do they hate him?
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Project purity is irrelevant because any attempt to elevate oneself beyond the wasteland gets Fist of Todd'd back to the stone age to preserve the "war never changes" feel of the setting. See: Shady sands.
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Vault gf
>Pale, slightly chubby, thicc
>Sweet, well-mannered, eloquent
>Naive
>Well-educated
>Like to talk a lot
Enclave gf
>Racist southern belles
>Pale, spend all their time in bunkers or power armor
>Either slightly toned (if they're a soldier), or svelte and thin (if they're a pilot or scientist)
>Quiet, follow orders without question
BoS gf
>Racist muscle mommies OR lesbians
>Sailor-mouthed
>Have a weird fascination with medieval history and/or pre-war tech
>Can exploit every vulnerability in a RobCo terminal, even if the vulnerability is the glass they smash with their super sledge
Wastelander gf
>Tanned from the scorching hot sun
>Skinny, weak (due to poor diet)
>Physically ill due to radiation
>Mentally ill due to trauma
Tribal gf
>Whores wearing skimpy clothes, encouraged to find a mate in her tribe since birth
>Fluent in some retarded language you don't know
>Borderline retarded
>Can treat your wounds using brahmin shit and hubflower, don't question it
>Refer to you using some dumb word you don't understand, when asked she's like "Don't worry about it!"
Followers gf
>Educated and nerdy, fluent in Latin
>Can hack terminals for you, medicate you, perform routine health checkups
>Spends more time caring for retarded tribals than you though
>Constantly drops Latin phrases and words in the middle of conversation
NCR gf
>Farmer girl with a farmer's tan and freckles
>Grew up herding brahmin, smells like grass and wheat
>Kinky, loves femdom and roleplay
>Tells you to play the role of a Great Khan/Legionary while she pretends to rape you
Raider gf
>Literal cannibals OR chem addicts
>Kinky, beats you up and carves her name in your chest with a knife during sex
>Have to face her crazy rapist boyfriend she didn't tell you about
>Has sex with other guys behind your back
>Injects you with Psycho randomly
>Plots to murder you
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>>563543543
My theory is that Yes Man is House (in the show). My guess is that when Yes Man looked into House's databanks as he said he was going to at the end of New Vegas, there was a backup of House's personality in case he was killed or destroyed. Yes Man looking to become more "assertive" decided to merge his personality with this backup of House. However, it had unforeseen consequences he didn't anticipate.
It would explain how Victor is still around too. Yes Man's AI would determine that House would want Victor around, and so reactivated him.
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>>563543543
>because if it was, where the fuck is Yes Man?
In the show, when Ghoul goes to the big monitor, you can actually see Yes-man's former frame sprawled out in the EXACT same way he falls when he uplinks himself. He also says in New Vegas that he'll be a bit different next time you see him. So either House had a backup and purged Yes-man, or that isn't House that Ghoul was talking to.
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>>563536371
I've always wondered what they'd do about DC's and the Mojave's invisible walls.
They're important for gameplay to force you to use the metro tunnels/to take the proper path to Vegas but I wouldn't expect a remake to keep those barriers
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>>563545630
>I wouldn't expect a remake to keep those barriers
Why? Skyrim has invisible walls, FO4 has invisible walls, FO76 has invisible walls, Starfield has invisible walls. They're a staple and they're not going anywhere.
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I want to do an energy weapons run in fallout 4. Are laser weapons still bugged to do less damage? And if so, does the unofficial patch or community fixes mod solve the issue?
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FUNNEL CAKES RULE
WE'RE THE FUNNEL CAKES
THAT'S USAND WE RULE
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It's over, Bethbros... even Mr. Not Interested In Discussing How Realistic Things Are In a Post-Apocalyptic Game w/ Talking Ghouls and Mutants is shitting on the state of the company.
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>>563550921
Pete Hines isn't a writer or a dev you fucking sperg. He was the president of marketing for Bethesda Softworks. And him bitching about Microsoft is retarded since all of their problems came from Zenimax pushing games out a year before they can even be finished.
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>>563552135
>all of their problems came from Zenimax pushing games out
Zenimax was created as a holding company for Bethesda. The same individuals would be behind executive decisions whether Zenimax existed or not.
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>Christopher Weaver, the founder of the video game publisher Bethesda Softworks, and Robert A. Altman, a lawyer, founded ZeniMax Media in 1999.[3] The name is a portmanteau of "zenith" and "maximum".[4] The company was established to succeed Media Technology Limited as the parent company of Bethesda Softworks.
Zenimax was literally created to be their parent company were the IP is owned and where the financial decisions are made.
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>>563553612
Microsoft has been Bethesda's primary investor since Morrowind. Pete is trying to blame Microsoft for something that always existed and was the fault of Zenimax. Zenimax were the ones who wanted 76 released a year and a half early despite the game being in a broken state.
If Hines really cared, he would've stayed to change it.
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>>563553884
>Zenimax were the ones who wanted
Zenimax is Bethesda, there's no point distinguishing between the two if you're not a lawyer. The same bean counters would've been hired and they would have made the same decisions regardless of what name they were "technically" working under.
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>>563554326
I would like you to read this helpful quote from earlier in the conversation very slowly and really take it in.
>Christopher Weaver, the founder of the video game publisher Bethesda Softworks, and Robert A. Altman, a lawyer, founded ZeniMax Media in 1999.[3] The name is a portmanteau of "zenith" and "maximum".[4] The company was established to succeed Media Technology Limited as the parent company of Bethesda Softworks.
I want you to think long and hard about what it means for Zenimax to have been founded by the same guy that founded Bethesda.
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>Outcast
>Sentinel
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It's only just occurred to me that I always create the exact same blonde girl in tight bodysuits most of the time I play these games. Sometimes I'll create a redhead but often times it just doesn't look right. And then sometimes I'll create a guy but I have to have a waifu companion with him or it just feels soulless. I try to make them join different factions or make different choices but I always end up making them look mostly the same. Anyone else the same?
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Bow and crossbow are finally coming to Fallout 4 soon
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>>563576391
this is a creation right
the fundamental problem with CC/creations is that whatever new interesting content is released has already been done better, updated faster and made more compatible 10 years prior for free
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>this is a creation right
Yeah. It started out as a port but the author couldn’t get the new animations to work with the models from f76 so he just decided to start from scratch and made it a VC.
>whatever new interesting content is released has already been done better, updated faster and made more compatible 10 years prior for free
Is that really the case? Most of the Fallout 4 mods from 10 years ago are complete garbage. And plenty of VCs are genuinely good and don’t overlap with existing mods. We have Bow and Crossbow mods, but I honestly wouldn’t install them in this year, they just don’t hold up to the quality of modern mods.
I’m not fond of the concept of paid mods, but as long as I can pirate them, I’m all for them existing, because it simply allows modders to create more mods
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>>563416241
Cait mentions rape exactly once in F4 when you get her to start talking about her past. And I do believe there was another mention in one of the Bethesda sanctioned Creations. But those don't really count.
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>>563426396
Anon, Boston has billboards sporting the old style coke Nuka Cola bottles everywhere but also has special Nuka-Cola bottles with you pick up everywhere that look like rockets and have their own billboards. Said bottles were limited run according to the relevant terminal, but now thanks to the fucking show, those rocket bottles are just the default.
Bethesda gonna Bethesda.
Also there's really nothing wrong with the idea of finding broken laser tech and making Frankenstein weapons out of it. The concept was just implemented stupidly because the Minutemen needed their own distinctions and it was played up fast and loose.
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If you're sarcastic to Irma when you first go to the Memory Den she tells you that it's "not that kind of place, honey". Also, you can have your character suggest that Nick's heart and arrow detective agency sign reminds them of a red light district with more sarcastic dialogue. So hoes do get put on notice, but you gotta dig for it.
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>>563582731
>if you ask so and so they hint at the possibility of a implication of maybe someone thinking about prostitution
cool can I actually see or engage in it though
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>>563582906
You can bang Magnolia, who puts out to anyone who asks her according to MacCready and a few others. She was put there as a synth whore by the Institute specifically because people say shit they shouldn't when and after fucking. She's essentially a tape recorder with tits for a bunch of paranoid pimps under Boston.
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One of the things that made New Vegas so interesting was how grounded it was. The NCR is just clumsily throwing soldiers at their main adversary and the bodies are piling up — so much so that nearly everyone in the Mojave's infantry branch suffers from some kind of PTSD either due to losing comrades or loved ones, or even being raped at the hands of Legionaries or Fiends. The game is pure misery porn when you pay attention to the dialogue and absorb the atmosphere around the numerous NCR camps (especially Bitter Springs).
Now, how cool would it be if Fallout 3/4 did something similar with the Brotherhood? That would give the Outcasts something to genuinely complain about. You have the core chapter of the Brotherhood that have relocated from the West Coast, and they're having to bolster their numbers using wastelander recruits because Lyons is leading them into a suicide mission and getting their entire chapter killed in the process. They're so outgunned that an Enclave victory is all but assured unless you, the player, do something about it.
Fallout 4 could've really ran wild with this idea. Maxson's cult thinks they are "saving" the Commonwealth, but they're really far too weak to face the Institute. They have no intel. They're sending their seasoned veterans to die fighting super mutants and synths above ground while the Institute remain unscathed below. They're having a hard time recruiting (Ingram and Kells even admits this), so they're a paper tiger, and Maxson's bravado is going to get them all killed.
But I guess in a game where a faction like the Minutemen treats life-or-death struggles against Super Mutants and Raiders as routine errands, it becomes difficult to weave any real narrative stakes or depth into the overarching plot.
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>>563548698
Yes it's still broken, use this mod
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/75565
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The problem I've faced is wondering if mods have accounted for the bug or not. Like do mod creators purposefully make their energy weapons do more than usual to balance out the fact that they're bugged and if I install the fix, then I'm just making them more powerful than intended
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>broken on the current version
FUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKKK forget it, I'm already 8 hours in, I'm not going to start fucking around with game versions now.
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I was kind of screwing around in NV earlier, but I've come to the conclusion that Super Mutants in New Vegas, when using the Hunting Rifle do more or less the same damage and have the same (poor) accuracy as Fallout 3 Super Mutants, despite the fact that the NV Hunting Rifle is a fair bit stronger and more accurate. Their rate of fire is noticeably better, though.
I'm actually curious if mutants have the same weapon skill programming as human enemies (As well as gun condition), or if they're treated more like creatures with set damage on their attacks.
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I think it depends on the Super Mutant, mutant overlords in fallout 3 were extremely deadly with the tri beam laser rifle. NV Super Mutants probably shoot faster due to most of them being Brutes or Masters
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That would be my first guess, but I was also testing Neil as he's one of the few NV Mutants who always carries a Hunting Rifle. His accuracy at point blank was absolute dogshit. I could see just Lily and Dog/God having actual stats and all other mutants are probably just using legacy stats/setting from 3.
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Overlords have cheating programming with the Tri-Beam. Although, I think they really aren't too accurate with it. Would have to hop into a file and see what their spread is.
Also, the mutants in NV who carry Hunting Rifles are generally low level, except for the 'Master' outside the Jacobstown Lodge who has a rifle (he has the same voice actor as Neil) and that unnamed Master also has poor accuracy and damage.
Though another thing I kind of actively noticed is that NV mutants are incredibly fast compared to 3's. I know Lily is fast, but I always chalked it up to just companion AI fuckery, but regular NPC Mutants also have insane movement speed when charging a target in NV. Like near Deathclaw speed. 3's Mutants aren't as fast or as liable to just close the distance.
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>>563619836
Cosmetic surgery has got to exist in the more affluent areas, right?
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Anything new Fran?
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>>563639702
>Cosmetic surgery has got to exist in the more affluent areas, right?
Better be an affluent-enough area to not have to worry about personal safety.
If I were a woman in the apocalypse I'd sooner want my tits removed so that raiders don't notice I'm a girl.
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>>563640005
counterpoint - irl tribeswomen wear jewelry and makeup despite facing the same problem of randomly being attacked by savage rival raiders
if you're trying to minmax life, being attractive to shallow, wealthy men is better than being unattractive to rapists
you could make the case that a given individual would take the path of intentional boyification, but the average would trend toward enhanced cosmetics, as has been the case throughout human history
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>Gauss Rifle creation adds a crank
This isn't right.
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>>563640418
Human history is one thing, but this is complete and absolute anarchy. I still think it's unlikely to expect that your average guy in the wasteland would be kind to a woman. If things go wrong, they'll go REALLY wrong
Surgically removing them is going a bit far and unnecessary since starving wastelanders wouldn't have much of a chest anyways, so honestly the ideal plan would be to bind your chest generally but if you're ever in a safe location, you can let em loose a little to try to get some special treatment
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>>563640909
>this is complete and absolute anarchy
it's not, though
the vast majority of people live in settlements, with things like agriculture, sheriffs, and walls
another thing to consider is what you're actually going to get out of a raider thinking that you're a man instead of a woman
sure, you might not get raped - because they'll just murder you instead
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>>563640461
Actually looking back at it, the original model did have a crank, it was just never used for anything aside from the weapon jam animations.
Kind of an odd choice to make it the new reload mechanism.
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>>563641774
>It's a railgun basically, no bolt, gas piston or mechanical action to cycle a new round, so a manual cycling system makes sense
Maybe. These are all fantasy guns really, my query is less about realism and more about why they felt the need to change it. The Gauss Rifle was never operated like a laser musket.
I mean it's fun, but it's kind of a bummer. Doesn't feel as fun to use as in NV. It has a smaller ammo capacity too, which might be because I haven't upgraded it yet.
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I completely disagree with toning the misogyny. In fact that's all part of the Legion is trying to be about
The big thing that separates the Legion from the other factions is that they're basically the only one that has a strong moral code. They have actual values all aimed at creating internal cohesion, and that's what gives them the power they have. You lose some of that cohesion if you put women anywhere among them for the simple fact that women introduce more elements that are potentially conflicting. A group of guys gets along easier than a group of guys and girls, it's just how things are.
To emphasize all of this, what I'd want to do is, for example, have some deadbeat junkie character you meet at the beginning of the game get abducted by the Legion early on. And then when you meet him later, he's been made into a Legionaire and you can see this changed him. He's standing taller and prouder, his muscles look a bit thicker, and he tells you how the Legion gave him the purpose he's been missing all his life. The NCR couldn't protect him from raiders, the casinos in Vegas took his money and dumped him in a ditch, but the Legion gave him something to believe in, something to fight for. And that something isn't something abstract and empty like "the fate of California," but rather it's flesh and blood, the success of his brothers in the Legion.
Adding on to this there would be much more emphasis on how slaves are considered higher status than the dissolute amongst the Legion, because they too have purpose that the profligates don't
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>>563654624
But, the NCR has ghouls and super mutants in their military. Originally, there was supposed to be a super mutant ranger, which was cut without Sawyer's permission, meaning super mutant rangers are officially canon. Though, I guess ghouls and super mutants are treated like black people in the 50s, which sometimes they got treated nice, but sometimes didn't get treated nice. New Vegas' worldbuilding tends to be more dimensional like that, while Bethesda's worldbuilding is more simple, basic, and straightforward.
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> it's pretty cheap for caeser's successor to be so obviously worse and more extreme than him (and to have this straight up told to the player).
1. I think the evil aura around Lanius is completely intentional by Caesar and half of what we hear is bullshit. He's supposed to be the bigger badder new Joshua so he needs to have this fearsome mystique.
2. Despite all the tall tales I also think it makes total sense that he would be even more ruthless and ideologically pure than Caesar given Caesar made all this shit up on the fly for functional purposes whereas Lanius is a 100% true believer that's been raised entirely in this culture/civilisation/religion. In that world he's not evil or extreme at all, he's the pinnacle of what they've been taught to believe moral goodness is.
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It's supposed to showcase that the NCR has been fundamentally changed at its core from corruption and hard times. This isn't the only instance of NCR racism in the game, the ghoulified trooper at Camp Searchlight tells you that he's afraid the NCR won't allow him back (implying that they're racist against ghouls). Lucky for him, they do, but it's made clear that they have their own ghoul outposts, and the one he gets sent to (Ranger Station Echo) is exclusively ghouls except for two guys, which implies some degree of racial segregation. The message is clear — the NCR still have their civil rights but corrupt officials back home have been campaigning hard against it, likely funded by the same brahmin barons who are at most risk of mutie chimpouts damaging their property and murdering their livestock (we can see nightkin doing this in game in Novac).
TL;DR, Nightkin fatigue.
You can also add this on to a larger point about how the NCR treat their "allies". Much like how there were super mutant rangers in F2, there was also a cordial political alliance between the NCR and Brotherhood, and well, we know how that turned out due to the NCR's aggressive expansion (they also fucked over Vault City in the most jewish way).
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>>563656571
I know, but he did get cut, and other lore clearly shows that they don't like mutants, so I think it's better that he was cut.
While ghouls don't have the resentment of Master's mutant army attached to it.
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>>563650640
I'm not sure why Jacobstown is in the game at all, there's just so little for you to actually do there. I mean I guess you could say that for a lot of places in New Vegas, but Jacobstown in particular is one of those areas that even modders generally don't bother with. It's probably due to how disconnected it is from everything else and how it barely has any kind of notable conflict going on. Most peaceful place in the wasteland for sure.
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>>563659661
>I'm not sure why Jacobstown is in the game at all, there's just so little for you to actually do there
I feel the same way about every city in Fallout 3 and 4.
>it barely has any kind of notable conflict going on
Except most of the town's residents being schizophrenic and prone to chimpouts (almost resulting in the death of the town doctor and his assistant)?
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Everyone gets nervous when super mutants start banding together. The NCR wasn't terrorizing Jacobstown they were testing the waters and looking for an excuse to go after them in earnest because they didn't want to deal with ANOTHER threat suddenly popping up.
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>>563656571
>meaning super mutant rangers are officially canon.
There was a mutant ranger in 2 already
But otherwise, what >>563658129
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Part of NV's backstory has the NCR undergoing some non-progressive social changes so Ghouls and Mutants are getting discriminated against. Meansonofabitch for example.
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The Pitt was dumb. They send me into this hell hole and expect me to steal a child. I get that it's kind of a mirror to our Dad and his willingness to sacrifice the Capital Wasteland to protect and raise us. But these fucking scabs really thought I was going to kidnap a baby and let them experiment on her? Fuck you scabs, get in the pit and fight for your freedom.
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>>563659661
Jacobstown is the resolution/conclusion to New Vegas's subplot of the Nightkin.
Where you learn of them from Neil, or first encounter them at Novac and the Repconn Test Site and then Tabitha and the couple other Nightkin in Black Rock Cave and the Tumbleweed Ranch. You meet all these crazy mutants before heading up to Jacobstown and finding out you can help cure them of their schizophrenia.
The town isn't a big focus in the game, true, but it does have build up and there are incentives to go there, like Rex's quest or the town being mentioned on the radio.
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im tinkering with a playthrough on survival, and i want to play it as if i was plopped down there myself. no reloads on death unless the game glitches, no magical "carry 30+ items when you're only wearing a coat and pants", no responding to situations in a way i wouldnt expect myself to behave -- that sort of thing. i saw there are backpacks on nexusmods, so i might throw that mod in there in case i want to carry more than 4-5 items at a time.
anyone try something similar? how far did you get?
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>>563650640
partially to justify racism against mutants
perhaps also partially to kick them out of the territory because the lodge is prime real estate
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>>563680630
>Pitt
>Raider
Funny enough Pitt is literally the only time Bethesda has created a settlement in Fallout that could at least in theory actually work. They kind of make stuff and have something resembling a government. The idea of slaves operating heavy machinery is complete nonsense but it still makes some sense.
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>>563660889
I mean they didn't really need that after Fallout 2
Speaking of, it's dumb how Marcus returning is nothing more than a random reference that has no bearing on anything. He should have been the companion again instead of the quirk chungus nightkin
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I've been doing this quest for the gay tree in Fallout London just trying to get a settlement so I can make a bed and go to sleep and then at the very end he has the nerve to say "come back in 3 days!"
Had to limp halfway across the map to the closest bed I knew of
Also holy hell that quest just reeked of modded content. None of the characters would shut the fuck up
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Ashur's raiders remind me of the Legion. The latter might be better written but they're both emblematic of Realpolitik. Both of them are similar in how they are both military dictatorships established on pragmatic consequentialism with one sole despotic warlord at the helm exercising complete unchecked authority over his empire, promising grandeur and purpose to the subjects that are willing to navigate his so-called meritocracy — which in reality, is more perfunctory than transformative.
Ashur's arena, for all intents and purposes, is more of a performance art designed to sell aspirations to moribund helots than a legitimate ticket to freedom. Likewise, Legionaries are told that fighting for Caesar will bring them unity and acceptance, when it really ends up with them dying on the battlefield to the "degenerates" they loathe or to the savagery of their own commanding officers.
Really, everyone in both factions (aside from Ashur and Caesar of course) are slaves.
The Pitt should've had its own game.
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Ok what the hell is wrong with this settlement.
Tree god appointed me his next in line and told me to take care of the druids and unlocked the place as a settlement. Only the actual settlement area is tiny and doesn't encompass the druids, so they still do their prayer thing about 20 feet away and can't actually be settlers.
Also they have a massive farm that's marked as stealing and I can't get away with any of it since there's horses everywhere.
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Liberate W.V, reject the racism of foundation, resist the Fascism of the Enclave and brotherhood.
The future lies in the east not the west.
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>>563707483
>protip only pass users can use images
I've not payed for the pass, explain that
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I just remembered that the Intimidation perk exists. I always just kinda ignored those "pacifying" perks.
Looking into it, it actually seems like they're actually cool ideas, but I tried it in my survival run for a bit and the range is just too poor to really be practical for survival at least. You have to get up right next to the enemies and by that point they'll all have torn you to shreds
Ultimately it just feels a little janky
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>>563705151
>The future
Your future lies suffocating to death under American soil, commie bastard.
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>>563709919
It depends on the VA, most VAs for modders are egotistically assholes that swear they're hollywood celebrities. They've actively tried to torpedo mod projects because they didn't make the cut.
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>most VAs for modders
You mean most English language VAs in general.
Lost track of the amount of times one of these cocky pissants have decided that they're more important than the projects they're on, happens all the time with dub actors because the industry is filled with self-important nepobabbies.
Modders always act arrogant like that, picrel is probably faking it till he makes it.
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>>563709919
Hate usually doesn't come from thin air. It's like the hate for anti-AIfags. These people act like using AI is some kind of grave sin, and you're morally reprehensible for using it. Sure, it takes away jobs, but machines have been doing that for a long time. The only reason these people care is because they thought machines would only replace manual labour, which they look down on as being for stupid people.
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>>563729065
Anyone remember the butthurt from the Fallout 4 expanded dialogue mods?
>WAH WAH AI SWEALS THE PAW WOICE ACTAW'S IWENTITY WAAAAAAAH
Meanwhile, splicing three words from already recorded lines to make an actor say nigger is perfectly fine? The only reason anyone has a problem with AI voices is because they're more convincing, and normie cattle are programmed to fight pointless battles for their masters.
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>>563735884
>perfect storm from distant thunder
>looks really cool with the flame bullets
>is shit because you can't mess with the legendary mods
I would have fucked with a TSE + Pyromaniacs Perfect Storm if it was possible.
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what the fuck is this thing
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>"We can't expect God to smoke all the crack."
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>>563751836
are there even any popular Caesar ships
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>>563707483pass this
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>>563766165
I'm a big pervert, it's true ;_;
>>563767492
Not there yet
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>>563769528
currently explosive rounds cripple limbs and demolish armor like there is no tomorrow (your own too)
ScorchBitch Queen will shred your armor too
apparently it is toned down on PTS but I am not holding by breath
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>>563769865
I have hundreds its just crazy how I can repair all my armor, turn a corner and shoot a super mutant and then have to repair my armor again
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is there any way to counter it at all?
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