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>Recent News
Blizzard & Turtle WoW have settled, official announcement maybe in 2 days.
https://whitemane.org/en/news/whitemane-2
MoP (June 6) & TBC Fresh soon!
>Released Servers
Turtle WoW - https://turtlecraft.gg (Vanilla+)
Ascension - https://ascension.gg/en (Vanilla World+Retail, Classless, Custom Classes/CoA, Epoch)
Warmane - https://www.warmane.com/ (WOTLK)
Tauri - https://tauriwow.com (WoD on Legion client, Legion content coming soon)
Chromiecraft - https://www.chromiecraft.com/en/ (PVE, progressive)
Stormforge - https://stormforge.gg/en (TBC, WOTLK+, MoP)
>Active Guilds
Type /who g-"Guild Name" to see who's online, then whisper anyone for an invite. If you search Evil, sort by "Guild" (not "Zone") to filter the list.
<gulag> - Tauri, Evermoon realm, Alliance
<Evil> - Turtle Wow, Ambershire realm, crossfaction, raids at 18:00 server time
<Branded> - Turtle Wow, Ambershire realm, crossfaction, raids at 20:00 server time
>BBC+
https://github.com/ascensionhandynotespoi/HandyNotes_Ascension_POI
https://bronzebeardmaps.pages.dev/
>Turtle
All Turtle addons (copy & paste github links on the launcher) - https://turtle-wow.fandom.com/wiki/Addons
Misc - https://database.turtlecraft.gg | https://talents.turtlecraft.gg | https://twow.link/classchanges | https://turtletimers.com
>Mods, Tutorials and /wpsg/ Creations
https://pastebin.com/9C4nXnUC
>Previous Thread
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Just collected my first bounty on Synestria with a shit green cloak.
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>>563680396
just about to try this shit out, how is it? im a fan of the weird wow private servers like hour of twilight. i tried ebonhold too but im pretty sure that shits some kind of scam with how retarded the devs are
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>>563673121
you really ought to just level shadow (or disc till 40 then shadow depending on your preferences / the server changes you're on) and simply not have shadowform on during dungeons, you already have mad heals and focus on int by default so you will be able to extremely effectively heal dungeons up to cap without even specializing in any healing talents, that way you can run the dungeons you don't prefer once for quests or 0 times at all if you really hate them and focus on the ones you like. priest doesn't do the highest dps soloing but it's basically impossible to kill as well and is /cozy/
though frankly i have no idea what your problem with either of those dungeons are imo they're great and your fav WC is one of the wackest dungeons in classic, like it's got a great atmosphere but it's a big wonky maze a lot of noobs get lost in, i do think if you like it the most you'll love most later dungeons though as theyre built similarly but more players are less likely to get lost and confused by higher levels
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>level shadow or disc
dont do either of these in vanilla. best thing to do is go wand spec into spirit tap and then down the holy tree for the smite/holy fire cast time reduction
priest spells are fucking garbage early on and mind flay is less damage than a vendor wand until rank 3 minimum. disc on twow is also mediocre for leveling as you get less damage from early talents than you would grabbing 5% crit and 0.5s cast time reduction from holy
only at 40 should you respec to shadow since youll have rank 3 mind flay, shadowform and pain spike on twow. disc is in a similar boat but also has more issues pre-60 since you need the holy talents for your best output
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>>563681842
that's not an update, that's just the judge saying
>okay both parties agreed to the judgement, here is my stamp
and then the last one is
>deleted all the pending court dates from the calendar, if the settlement is not finalized we will bring those back
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i've gotten hate whispers from allies as the literal sole defender because i didn't let them just take hut with a whopping 3 people while the rest of their team defended. their expectations are absolutely bizarre.
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>GMs know nothing
>Shenna and Crogge radio silent
Yeah I'm sure everything's fine and the server will live forever.
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still waiting on an announcement of an announcement of what's next for Shenna Crogge and their chinese crew?
meanwhile we beat the shit out of Arugal
come try Epoch, it's more fun than waiting on some russian to show she "cares" for her playerbase
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I want to run Deadmines with You Anon.
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Stop DOOOOMING retards its going to be fine
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>>563683141
player pop rises with each day, today's peak was ~380 players with over 200 players in 1-30 lvl bracket
yesterday we were happy to see 200 players, today was nearly 400, who knows how many will come tomorrow
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Why is no one leveling on Ambershire? Starter zones are completely dead??
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We hit 400 on Kezan today, during EU downtime it's around 200.
Friday a community releveling event is happening, basically a soft relaunch.
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>>563683473
interesting. ill give it a shot later on, maybe. might also just say to hell with WoW and go back to shooting 'borgs and 'bots in Neocron desu
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What class does EPOCH need?
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>>563683331
what is there to cope about? blizzard shut them down because they couldnt beat them. 2004 blizzard wouldnt have had to do this since people would have chosen the official product over any private server.
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>>563683684
Bee urself, any class is needed
Ask in /world if you need anything, people are constantly giving out gold, bags, wands and leveling greens.
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>Bowser spoke to the chinks to tell them to prepare for shutdown because most of the development is done by EU
>They told him to fuck off
>Announcement got delayed
He's totally shitting himself cause he expected the gooks to comply isn't he?
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THE END IS COMING
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>crogge gets his project stolen from him
That's just karma.
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>NO YOU HAVE TO SHUT DOWN TURTLE SEA IT BELONGS TO US SO YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO US
There’s something immensely hilarious about a pirate server getting outpirated by other pirates. Maybe Shenna should send the Chinese a DMCA hahahaha
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>>563682939
>join guilds weekly raids
>groups fill up for 6 days of raiding from mc to kara
>queue into av for free av day honour
>watch 5X lowbies on their slow mounts getting picked off
>run around chopping trees to level survival
>see people leveling in every zone
>check /who in the evening
>same 4k nord has had since ambershire sucked up the fresh of the month crowd
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Bronzebeard is fucking boring, the class design is so sterile. Mage for instance, you just cast scorch and fire blast over and over again. I thought this was supposed to be Retail-, where the fuck are my phoenix flames?
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>Language & Community
>Language Policy: Strict English-only requirement and enforcement in any and all public channels to ensure a unified community.
No wonder all turdies are so mad at Epoch jej
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>noshoes autistically defend every tower
>in exchange they get this
>they start leaving
you get what you fucking deserve
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>>563680816
>making stuff up
explain >>563687068 then?
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I don't even have any stake in this, I haven't played WoW or a WoW server in years. I just wanna see the shitshow, I wanna see the turtle players on speedrun the stages of grief, I wanna see them beg for the server to come back, I wanna see them lash out and drop the wholesome chungus personality, I wanna see them threaten to sue Blizzard and other dumb shit.
I just wanna see some action.
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>>563687068
The reality is Alliance always have 5 to 10 on defense at the start, and tries to cap towers and graveyards with one or two people. When Horde realizes the capped towers and graveyards are left undefended or with a single defender, they go back and recap when the respawn south because they died pushing north to defense.
You should be going full offense at the start and just race. It results in quick games where even the losers win. But you're a rogue on defense so obviously you aren't very smart.
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>>563687287
i havent played turtle in months cause other games and my guild and friends all left already
its sad to see my favorite server go but i dont have any moral or legal defence for private servers without resorting to fuck your IP let us pirate your shit, so i accepted this premise when i joined the server. i didn't get attached to it, i won't cry, i had my fun and now the fun is over.
the only struggle i'm having is trying to pick a new server to play
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>>563687302
Turtle flew too close to the sun, started mocking Blizzard openly, making trailers with hundreds of thousands of views.
Blizzard doesn't actually give a shit, the 4-6k pop is a drop in the bucket for them. But according to US copyright law a company HAS to defend its trademarked products or risk losing their rights to it. If it stays under the radar (like with Warmane, Henhouse, Stormforge, etc) they'll never pursue litigation but once you start pulling in 10k+ numbers and openly mocking the company that you're actively STEALING from they're simply forced to take legal action.
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>>563687068
You aren't turtling because the towers got backcapped, the towers got backcapped because you were turtling. If you had more people south defending them then they would never get taken back. When alliance isn't being retarded and turtling they usually get more honor than the horde despite the horde "winning" because speedrunning horde skips/doesn't defend the first two bunkers while the alliance will take every tower.
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Anyone wanna level together on Epoch Kezan together?
I was thinking of making a femhuman priest but I don't mind going Horde either
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I think I found my final resting place
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>play other game while waiting for dungeon queue
>see icon turn orange on the taskbar and tab back thinking my queue popped
>it was actually just alerting me that I got logged out for being afk
I'm never playing a dps only class again.
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>>563687973
For dungeons?
>Greater Heal
For sustained damage on the tank. This is the best heal for dungeons, let the tank get damaged over half his HP, cast your fattest GH, proceed to wand for the next 15 seconds so your mana can Regen.
>Prayer of Healing
AoE party heal, mana intensive
>Renew
Very light damage, usually used to top someone off
>Power Word: Shield
Usually an emergency stop-gap, can also be used pre-emptively to stop big incoming damage. Warrior and Bear tanks don't like getting shielded on pull since they need to be HIT in order to get rage. No rage is no threat. No threat is a dead you. Still useful to stop massive damage intake and get the time to cast a fat heal. Go wild with this one on Paladins, they don't mind.
>Flash Heal
Emergency Heal during big damage spikes, mana intensive, you're usually better off using Greater Heal in dungeons, sees more usage in raids, especially downranked.
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For leveling/dungeons, I generally stuck to two main heal abilities and you generally want to use your efficient ones aka Heal and Greater Heal at 40. One that's mana efficient and does like 20-30% and one big heal for clutch situations. If the incoming damage is fairly linear, I wait for the tank to fall to ~40% health before healing to full and ending with renew, and then go back to wanding and regening mana. Very rarely used flash heal and your shields are for fuck ups
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The perfect AV game is a game where both teams push for the other team's base, nobody defends, everything gets capped but undefended. Games like this will last around ten minutes. It won't even matter who wins the match because everyone wins with quick matches.
When you defend and turtle, you just fuck over yourself because you're slowing your own game down and getting less honor.
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extremely addicting
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wow doesn't end on turtle
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>>563691081
All according to keikaku.
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Good riddance to the Turt world trash being barred from interacting with their customers, losing their entire base to their competitors, paying blizzard all their money, facing exclusion from the first world, waiving their right to appeal on a judgement that leads to over $100m damages, submitting to the jurisdiction of a US court in perpetuity
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>>563694274
Priest, resto shaman is poo poo in pvp since chain heal is useless, healing wave is worse than other healers' single target spells, and totems only buff people in your group and unless you're in a premade odds are your group won't even be with you, let alone be all melee.
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>>563697753
you can play moppy right now without waiting though?
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Akalix told the court he made no money.
Blizzard showed Akalix his statements saying he has the most knowledge of turtle money and challenged him to corroborate which dragged Afkcraft into it.
Afkcraft, facing subpoenas with adverse costs gave up the paper trail which guaranteed RICO.
Settlement.
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>>563698612
Why did they hire this retard to be the CM? He said a lot of stupid shit in the discord and advertised TWoW on his linkedin, plus more importantly being in Michigan means hes so easy for Blizzard to hold hostage.
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EPOCH LEVELING IS GARBAGE
its the worst fucking shit i've ever played
they BUFFED ALL THE MOBS
every single mob has increase health, increased damage, AND SPELLS
the world is tuned expecting you to level IN A PARTY OF +3
SO NOW THAT THEY HAVE 100 POP THE GAME IS UNPLAYABLE
you have to grind green mobs to level because they gave them such op shit that a random mob your same level will WIN THE 1V1
stupid fucks
you cant make the entire world require a group, its beyond stupid, theres a reason not even vanilla did that
I'm at lvl 15 now and I havent crossed another single fucking person yet, already 4 quests i've had to just abandon because they are completely impossible solo, even outleveling them
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>>563704073
Epoch!
The new quests and dungeon additions are great so far. I purposefully haven't installed Atlasloot so every new drop is a complete surprise which is fun. Playerbase on Kezan is very friendly, /world feels more alive and chatty than Turtle. Highly recommend starting now as the majority of its playerbase is 1-30 at the moment.
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https://project-epoch-wow.fandom.com/wiki/AddOns
For swing timer try Quartz, cooldown OmniCC.
If using Pfquest make sure to use the Epoch converted one from Cuddlehorn the regular Wotlk one will lag your game to shit
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playing turtle wow and there is this hunter in kara10 with +2 fire damage with melee attacks on most of his gear and is doing a lot of damage, is this an actual build that i can try or im getting fooled by a gm? tried asking him but he was dismissive about it
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Thanks homies
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>>563704938
right now I have a quest to kill 24 level 13-14 mobs
I have 350 hp
the mobs come exclusively in packs of 2
every one of these mobs hits me for 60 hp
and they cast an instant 1s stun that deals 100 hp
these are not elite mobs
the only way i've gotten this far is suiciding to kill 1 mob, dying, rezzing, repeating
gaytotes was a fucking retard and its a good thing his server died on the vine, this shit is an abomination
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Posts screenshots of these mobs and their damage please
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I'm only level 20 so far but this hasn't been my experience at all. Only difference I've noticed so far is the addition of some extra rare mobs in the barrens, it hasn't been any harder than levelling on turtle was recently
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I would say the big thing is they made more quests elite which is a problem in low pop. Some of my guildies started to drop their alts due to this and struggling to find dungeon groups when the pop started to go below 1000.
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>>563705302
It's the stonesplitter troggs in loch modan, I've aleady fucked off to never return
dun morogh had some stupid quests too that were clearly intended to be done with a group
you have to avoid anything other than human/orc leveling zones because they were never tested
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i also have this lock
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>less than 2000 players on Nordanaar and Ambershire
>server admins Missing in Action
>discord on fire and forced into Slow Mode
>donation shop still down
>launcher proxy still down
>China outright refusing to close and thieving from the biggest pair of thieves in the scene
>announcement delayed after delayed after delayed as they scramble to get their money out of Hong Kong like rats on a sinking ship
A slow death. One might say.. A Turtle's death...
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I am not leaving Turtle
My Boyfriend won't allow it
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That fucking animal Skoll, I can't even say his name...
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My name is Harryretpal MOTHERFUCK
>*BANG BANG BANG*
LET ME INNNN!! LET ME LOG IN!!!
>*DING-DING-DING BAM BAM*
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
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>can't have thick nelfies
>no MC yet
>players may get randomly trogg'd
>shadow priest sucks
>no new zones
>majority of "new blood" is bored 60 on alts
>abandoned by ascension, no future
>all my pochie pals: MIA
is this your strongest soldier wpsg
are we truly finished
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>can't send my own bankalt on the same account some gold
retarded ass server
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Sorry the announcement is late. Gotta stay flexible, you know what I'm sayin'?
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i think i figured it out, each instance of add X damage to your melee attacks can proc blade of eternal darkness, he had 9 separate instances of that effect not counting the proc chances from items, so every attack has 9 chances to proc blade of eternal darkness
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my ascension client is telling me its not a valid 32 bit application, what the fuck happened i want to RUNEMASTA . is this a personal issue or did they fuck something up like requiring a newer version of windows?
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>>563708927
that sentiment was shared by a lot of people
their youtube comments and even on the discord they had people telling them that it was retarded to have all that cool open world shit and then ruin it with in-your-face cash shop items and retail lite systems
I played it for a bit at launch and thought the cash shop wouldn't be a big deal, but when they enabled it after like a week it was so fucking cancer. I had vastly underestimated the average ascension whale
I stopped playing shortly after that
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>>563708713
The problem with dutch is that will only give them him some of the money, dutch wants all the money and low impulse individuals who only care about being able to play whatever version of wow on easy mode will always and I mean always pay. Dutch is just happy to collect.
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Hows the story in Turtle WoW? I know they are doing an AU so I'm curious. It's probably already better than Midnight but on its own how is it and what changes did they make? I heard that they kill Genn Greymane in a dungeon so I am mostly curious what else happens differently
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Is it a good sign if the co owner is saying
>you can be lucky if you don’t have to pay very large sums to cover damages
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They kinda have a few interesting stories but nothing crazy
Northwind/ Balor is entirely self-contained and has one long quest chain across the two zones
Gilneas is good, albeit just more "dragon corrupts human kingdom" ala onyxia
The elves have a breadcrumb story about kaelthas actually being a good guy and coming back from outland to restore silvermoon... that we'll never see...
Other than that there isnt much
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>>563713481
>Hows the story in Turtle WoW?
Its aight. 3.6 Rontgen.
>I heard that they kill Genn Greymane in a dungeon so I am mostly curious what else happens differently
The Genn/Gilneas lore is some of the better stuff they have. It's quite sad but Genn has always been an incompetent moron so it fits his character.
>Gilneas builds the wall
>Isolationist shennanigans
>Worgen become a problem
>State of emergency
>Nobles try to take adventage of the situation to consolidate their own power. Abduct Liam Gerymane (Genn's only son and heir) and convince Genn that he died.
>Genn slowly goes insane from grief >Nobility uses his insanity as a reason to strip the crown of its power and redistribute it amongs themselves while Genn pretty much entirely loses his grasp on reality
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Genn kinda goes the way of Theoden in LotR where he's become a husk of his former self because of manipulative advisors. Except we have no way to fix him, so we have to kill him instead so his son can take the throne. It's painted in a very tragic way and is as much of a mercy kill as it is deposing a tyrant.
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>>563715063
crogge had to delay the announcement by a few days and is saying shit like >>563713952
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>>563713952
uh oh
>>563715513
it's ogre
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>>563716402
makes you wonder what's up
are they milking the last bit of cash before bailing? are they working on some big huge deal to transfer the servers or partner with some other group? are they getting high and fucking each other in the ass all day?
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>>563719620
how many people would submit their face to some private server russians/chinks? you'd have to restrict it to europe and the anglosphere and ban all vpns but even then a few would slip through the cracks
also browns and chinks are whales and might boycott turtle in protest so no money
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>leveling on Pochie
>already got gifted seven 14 slot bags and 30 gold
>ran more dungeons than I ever did on Turtle
>with actual English speaking people
>who communicate and CC
>join group and there's already 3 people ready to summon, no Juanitopally in Stormwind going "summ?? Summ???"
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I would just AI generate a face
>then we'll make you video
I'd AI generate a video
I could AI generate an alien hand right now, in fact fuck it.
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>>563717409
If blizzard helps them port the game to the classic client then thats a good deal.
But i doubt that, this is not about money, blizzard cant let some modders humiliate them by making a better game day after day.
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>>563719646
>I wonder what the erp freaks will do when their degen sex simulator closes down.
F-list
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It's never going to happen. Blizzard letting the private server that humiliated them keep running as long as they pay them a monthly bribe would be absurdly bad PR. Retail players would hate it and call Blizzard weak and Turtle players would hate it because they hate Blizzard. Not to mention the legality, I doubt Microsoft wants any part of that.
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Tauren can look like that if they want to and dedicate themselves to the grind...
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>>563721383
An undead fighting for justice from beyond the grave is the ludoest shit ever you wouldn't get it.
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>>563723813
Kaytotes coded it all in some ancient script just to spite people. it'd be incredibly long and tedious to transfer it.
He refused to use azeroth core becasue he didn't want people taking his custom quests so instead he used some old fucking rip of trinity score and did it all in type script, you don't hate kaytotes enough.
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Their strategy of buying Epoch to funnel into BBC worked really well. Even on 4chan, the Epoch general turned into the BBC general. And it seems like it was similar for the general populace, check some random discord account on Epoch discord server who posted around server opening and you will find them now posting about BBC on Ascension discord server.
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>>563679985
BLIZZDRONES BTFO
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>>563724094
>Kaytotes coded it all in some ancient script
it's just typescript
>He refused to use azeroth core becasue he didn't want people taking his custom quests
this is true
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>vanilla class design but retail world and dungeon design
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https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/subject/BronzeBeard/type/op/
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Bronzebeard doesn't even have retail world deisgn. Retail zones are dynamic theme park attractions. Bronzebeard just takes the vanilla world and slaps free loot everywhere. Where are the pointless things?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgyudqNKD0E
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>then why did the general die in less than 3 days if it's so "good"
Dutch is a retard but it's not entirely his fault, Dutch doesn't have a clue what people want in a classic + server or maybe he does and he figured out it wouldn't make enough money for him.
The players deineftly don't know what they want from a classic + experience but they know what they don't want, BBC+.
BBC+ version of classsic + is like eating and healthy breakfast only to eat a tub of lard.
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BBC+ replaced Epoch because people realized Epoch was going to get zero development and was essentially the next Vanilla+ where it dies because it’s vaporware upon release. It’s only held on this long because it was good enough that some people powered through, enough so to warrant some updates. But basically Epoch was strangled in the crib for an inferior server which despite getting all the development has failed to capture players because it’s too retail.
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It's not better. It's 1.12 with extra raids.
The classes are shit, the writing is shit, the custom areas are not tuned correctly, pvp changes are fucked. Nothing works correctly after patches, they make rafts of changes and don't even update the tooltips for the spells so you never know how anything works. The economy is a piece of shit. The players are all trannies with severe speech impediments, they believe anything they're told, rumours dominate thought, and they all spend much more money than retail players
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If Blizzard makes Classic+ and does a lot of what Turtle did like high elves while doing stuff they wouldn’t do like a monk spec for Priests and ogres and necromancers and Outlands raids then I’ll play Classic+.
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Well if the leaks are real that's exactly what happened.
It's honestly deserved after they let the gooks dominate turtle that they in turn get dominated by them. I hope it ruins his life over a fan recreation of a 20 year old video game.
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>>563726156
That's good to hear, how about everything else? Heard game was pretty unbalanced at launch
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Timeframe changed my ass. Turtle is fucked, I'm not gonna bother with it anymore
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Yea Bowser shouldn't have said anything until they were prepared to make a statement.
Honestly maybe he shouldn't be talking at all, the settlement is confidential.
Him saying hypotheticals is already enough to get him into hot water.
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Bro stay the fuck away from CoA. I love(d) it and am looking forward to release but it is less than vaporware right now. They've missed 3 separate release times and it hasn't been updated in 3 months and the devs are completely silent except for one guy who does bugfixes (that he can't even push to live because they are apparently doing a super secret big update that is totally real and exists trust me bro).
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Nobody wants to play on servers hosting my favorite expansions, this sucks. I don't want to play on 50 flavors of classic + tbc. Wotlk sucks ass. Everything beyond gets interesting and the servers always end up as a wasteland like 1 month into the launch
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It was supposed to be out Q3 2025.
The bugfixes and teasers always felt like cope, when do you think this shit's going to be released?
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Realistically, not till next year at the earliest. They are apparently working on a massive rework, yet no testing is being done because daddy dutch put them in the cuckshed for doing nothing, missing deadlines and constantly pissing people off by lying on the discord and reworking the classes every 3 months causing delays. They have been told they literally aren't allowed to post on the discord anymore until it's actually ready.
So they need to get this massive update out purely on internal testing (they are already behind schedule on this alone btw) then that shit will need to be actually tested and finely tuned.
All this because they decided to hire a fucking youtube guy that made ascension videos as a lead dev, by the way. I hope you somehow read this post and kill yourself Dooby you stupid nigger.
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The youtube guy. He made videos about ascension all the time and played it (very badly) so obviously he deserves to be a lead class designer for Conquest of Azeroth.
Project has been on a steady trajectory downwards ever since he joined as he reworks the classes every few months and 9 times out of 10 makes them worse and gayer.
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nah it's nothing like that. Epoch was popping, hitting server capacity every day, and then they got a C&D and collectively shat their pants and abandoned the server. Dutch picked it up but it clearly wasn't his first priority and he didn't have a team ready for it. That sucked all the air out of the server.
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So.... when's the next classic+ fresh?
>twow: dead
>pochie: dead
>ascension: dev hell
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>I'm still curious what happened to the Epoch devs - they had to have known they'd get a C&D. Blizz must have really rattled them somehow
If i was being charitable to kaytotes I'd say the turtle lawsuit scared the fuck out of him.
If i was being uncharitable I'd say kaytotes sold the entire project to dutch, and always planned to leave the project after failing to launch for 3 weeks and getting death threats after ruining his dev teams lives with a 3 week crunch because he was stubborn to use a modern core.
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I think that the team was totally unprepared for the attention they received, they didn't do any stress testing of their servers, they couldn't handle the wow community outside of their reddit fagbox and they didn't have the funds to deal with turtle ddosing, I honestly believe the C&D was fake and a way to weasel out of their dev obligations to the Ascension team after selling the project to them
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>>563730751
There was no C&D, totes was all smug saying he would trash any blizzard mail.
When it became obvious that the server can handle 2k players at most he had two choices.
Stand firm and limit player numbers, causing tens of thousand of players who were already doxxing your staff and sending death threats to be even more pissed off.
Other option was to switch to an architecture more suitable for high player numbers, risking tons of bugs and everything breaking in the process (this is what happened).
They probably tried salvaging everything but realized soon that they have months of patching and fixing ahead of them, with an extremely angry community poking them in the back.
Who knows who took the initiative but dutch offered them an easy way out and they took it, giving us the C&D fairy tale as an excuse.
They are off the hook and dutch's BBC would no longer have a competitor.
The fact that totes was so quick to give up a passion project that he poured years into makes me believe that epoch is fucked beyond belief in terms of scripting and bugs, that is probably part of the reason why progress is so slow.
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Literally the only source of this alleged Epoch C&D came from Kaytotes himself seconds before he dropped from the project and vanished from the internet entirely. No court documents, no list of people that have been targeted, nothing. 100% chace it was just a convenient excuse to leave the project, either because it was sold to Ascension and/or he just couldn't handle the fallout of the disastrous launch anymore. There was definitely some foul play involved.
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Don’t forget that in an interview, Trannytotes literally said that lawsuits and C&D letters were meaningless, and that servers that shut down because of that were the ones that wanted to quit anyway and were just looking for an excuse.
Then what happened after the shitty launch? He sold it all to Dutch at the first sight of a C&D letter.
Words cannot describe how much I want to beat the shit out of that guy.
Don’t even get me started on how he was the first to disappear from the community during the first botched launch, always being caught playing Overwatch 2, dilating, sucking dick, anything but actually appearing to give a fuck about his “decade-long passion project.”
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>>563730751
its weird that no one has spilled the beans. Kaytotes is not the only one who dropped everything, there were like half a dozen who spent the last 5 years developing the game and they all left at the same time
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Turtle won.
Torta won.
Shenna won.
Fuck US Law, eat a dick nigger.
I'm goingg to be an aryan high elf forever, time to buy 5k usd worth of TOKENS HAHAHAHAHAAH
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Warlock is insane right now but there are very few of them lol
I think it's true, it really looks like its always the same people rolling the same class/race combo all the time.
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the rest of the team were EU citizens, except Shenna who is russian, a jew and a kazakh.
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>>563734701
It's not just that one US dev, according to bowser most if not all of the server's continued development is done by EU staff. So in this magic world where it somehow stays up they'll need to replace 90% of their staff with russians who never ever EVER want to leave Russia (if they ever do they will be nuked from orbit).
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if they dont shut down completely by june whatever - they get sued into oblivion
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>>563735121
we are so owning the turtledweebs when classic+ comes out!!!
we get to enjoy nu blizzard body type 1 & 2!!!
I bet half the npcs will be gay and use the new wheelchair model from dragonflight and imagine how many bots and boosters will spam trade chat its going to be soooooo good I cant wait we should roll together!!!!
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So what? I'll just keep running the servers!
What're they gonna do? Knock my house down? Serve another C&D? Fine me?
Well they'd have to find us first, all the US devs have been "fired" *wink* *wink* so they can't do anything to them.
As for me and the boys, we already got a secondary server running from Malta and are sipping on martinis surrounded by hot babes. FUCK US COURT
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rolled a lock on epoch, got to lv8 (seeing like 2 people along the way in the HUMAN staring zone btw) saving up money for my wand, search ah for wand weapontype and there are literally 5 on the entire ah, for the entire level range 1-60. not one single lesser magic wand. and the ones that ARE up are 10x more expensive than they should be for their level.
like i want an excuse to experience the epoch custom content since this'll probably be the last time ever that it'll have a population bump but this shit feels so dead, like deader than any server ive ever played
do you think the alt fest tomorrow will really help things? do you think the pop will go up much further consistently even if turtle stays dead? as ascension really gonna let slide this one last perfect opportunity to get literally anything out of epoch? idk bros i might just go back to horizonxi for my /comfy/ old mmo content unless someone convinces me to keep at this
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Tuari question. What is this game on? Is this technically legion when it comes to class balancing and skills and whatever? If it's legion, then what patch? Pre-patch? Or is it still on the last patch of WoD? It changes quite a lot and I'm not sure which class to roll because of that. I'm trying to think what to do
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Literally just ask. I'm level 19 and I have received three 14 slot bags and tons of gold from other players I came across. People were posting dozens of lesser wands for 30 copper to help out new players.
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>search ah for wand weapontype
You're supposed to treat it like hyperfresh and pick up enchanting lmao noob
Jokes aside, community "fresh" is cute, but it's still a relatively old server with already fucked economy even disregarding all that grave spamming bullshit, epl chests, hyperspawned ores and so forth.
If dutch intends to capitalize on total turtle death, he will relaunch epoch from point 0.
But right now, there is still no clear information whether TTD is even going to happen.
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Wait this is actually so fucked I can't wrap my head around it. So you're saying that the game is still in Warlords of Draenor in terms of content but uses the last balance patch of legion, which is fundamentally based around so many different variables like artifacts, artifact skills and the things you socket into them and LEGENDARIES? Does this shit even work at all?
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Whats your name playa, I got some wands earlier for 30c off the AH i didn't buy them all out becasue im not a jew but i got 2 sets but leveling I doubt I'll actually do more than one character. this servers already kicking my ass, just give name and I'll send them to you.
or you could just ask world chat plenty of people will give you gold or bags and especially wands.
I doubt the server will "live" but I'll keep playing for the content.
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>fundamentally based around so many different variables like artifacts, artifact skills and the things you socket into them and LEGENDARIES
WoD was only released as part of the Legion core to serve as a prepatch bug finding period.
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>>563732843
I rather chop my balls off than believe they actually spent 5 years working on epoch. Maybe theorycrafting about class changes and whatever but actual work? Lol no, not at all
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The fresh start will be great. A lot of people from turtle will join.
But yeah only expect a huge spike on new players with TTD.
If turtle dies, and I really think it will, or at least become some chink only server, you'll see a massive shift of players going to epoch.
If Dutch is smart about it ascension can make a massive win here. I'm sure they're watching the situation 24/7.
Epoch is great right now, it literally just need players.
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you are the dumbest blackest gorilla nigger if you unorinically believe shenna and crogge that running turdle takes 5 digits in monthly costs
even if they run one seperate server for each realm they have, even if we count dead shit like the SA realm or tel'aviv costing as much as nord, you are not going over 5k in monthly hosting costs
the retarded tranny jannies and redditors they have as GMs do it for FREE or some turdle tokens
everything else ends up in shenna's and crogge's pockets which i assume to be around maybe 2-3k each
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The thing is that Ascension is already thinned due to the manpower, CoA is getting shipped with no bullshit this time, there is nothing to remake it and all is recorded for release.
SS team is working hard on the new custom expansion and zones.
Wrath dev is dead.
And BBC is full on overhauling even the raids to look better and more modernized in visuals, Onyxia was nice and BWL looks gud.
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This kek.
I work with web hosting. Being extremely generous about it, their costs could be 5k yearly.
But, shitty Russian services? For just 3 realms? 5k MONTHLY? absolutely fucking not.
I can rent a server which will absolutely host 3 realms for around 200 euros /month.
Yeah sure, they have their websites, databases etc etc let's make it 3 servers. 4. Doesn't matter, there's still a huge gap here and it's not shennas rotten vag.
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>>563732502
>actual MoP/WoD/Legion servers for once
Tauri is the only one doing MoP & Legion.
Stormforge & Whitemane got the MoP core from them.
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They take way too long to script, even Warmane gave up on their MoP server attempt.
There are 2 cata servers out there.
Only one running a MoP server right now is Stormforge.
WoD nobody does.
Legion is soon.. maybe... on Tauri.
Beyond that are russian cashgrab servers that are just auto complete everything and completely broken with tons of exploits.
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Ascension isn't (or rather, wasn't until recently with BB) stepping on Blizzard's toes with a Classic+ server, Ascension didn't heavily market and monetize the fact that they were stealing all of Blizzard's IP and remaking it in UE5 and Ascension didn't constantly blatantly shit on Blizzard in public and tweet their fucking staff saying how much better they are than them every other day.
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Did they publicly taunt blizzard in every social media out there? Which triggered many mainstream articles about such taunts?
Or bought ads on social media?
Or made their community not shut up about their server, going to reddit and blizzard forums talk about how it's so much better than classic wow?
Turtle wow got way too cocky. The team seriously believed they were untouchable.
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They barely need to do anything for a long time though.
Just relaunch the server with ony, MC etc. 0 effort. They might need to fix shit here and there to launch BWL but it's minor stuff. It's not like they're building shot from the ground up like CoA
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>Other option was to switch to an architecture more suitable for high player numbers, risking tons of bugs and everything breaking in the process (this is what happened).
So they fucked themselves from the start?
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>muh death threats
imagine believing this shit
someone found the facebook of a retarded lolcow discord janny who took himself super seriously (you know the type) and he had a bunch of lolcow photos with a fedora and shit
then all the trannies go "omggg dats DOXXING his life is RUINED that's a DEATH THREAT"
give me a break... get real.
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>2 more weeks bro-ACKKKKKKK
turtle wonned.
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>>563743926
New race for transgender people so they can fulfill their desires of transitioning all the time. They have a boytoy form so they can take orc dick, and a scaly, meanie form so they can pretend to fight against white males and bigotry in general.
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rather be black and chill with my niggadins than see this
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may light forgive me for uttering this sentence but helves were mild, tame and lore friendly
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server works exceptionally well.
but your playing with dead people.
dungeon finder pops, you have autistic tanks that rush through the game, not a word is said besides 'gg'. soulless is the one word i'd describe it.
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nta but if turtle wasn't on the verge of shutting down I would make a resto shaman right now
Probably a male orc so after I get full ele gear after healing a bazillion raids I can make a chain lightning montage and get 5 million views on youtube
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1 year from now:
>Retarded Baiting Obese Brown Anonoid (32minutes ago) 1999959159:
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>Anonymous 19859366839 (white):
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I'm going to give you a good faith assumption that you arent trolling and are just a little retarded, or at least spell this out for any other retards who might read this; the original assertion is gaytotes not giving any proof or indication that him receiving a C&D was truthful.
You, being the retard that you are, are insisting that the onus is on everyone else to prove a negative, i.e: you can't prove that it's not true, after someone made a claim without any proof that it is true.
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Nope, you have to prove that you aren't the shitty anal baby of a tranny mother, I don't need to give you any proof of the claim, the absence of proof isn't proof of absence, you are a shitty anal baby to a massive cocked tranny mother and any claim otherwise is pure speculation
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make sure to buy a dozen tokens on retail as revenge
maybe snag a boost or two to really drive it home
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600+ this weekend, leveling zones are getting pretty packed it's not difficult all to get DM/WC groups too and the fact you can TELEPORT there via the stones with just 2 people there is such a QoL improvement. Epoch unironically won.
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You were that kid in school who told everyone that you totally had a girlfriend from another school but noone can meet her because she just coincidentally went on holiday and you don't know when she'll be back
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Guys can we just unironically give Epoch a chance?
Just make a character and play tomorrow, if you don't like it that's totally okay. I would really appreciate it. We're all (mostly) anons here but to me, you're my friends (very cringe I know).
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>Dutch announces new server GreenShell that has goblin and high elf class, but it's not a direct competitor or anything
>Both Pochie and turtle never receive updates
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Wanna know the most fucked up part?
GNOMES have an Auction House
Go to the Gnomeregan Reclamation Facility
They have an Auction House
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>>563756712
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Goblins right, do not have an AH, Do not have rep gear, Not even a jewel crafting trainer on their starting island despite their race specialty being jewelcrafting.
They don't have a flightpoint, they do have a fucking boat to the middle of bum fukcking nowhere, not even a boat to tanaris so you can say ah cool goblin to goblin travel like BB and Ratchet, but a fucking boat to get this the fucking hinterlands, The fucking hinterlands derick.
I wish I could step on the neck of whoever made that city.
also blackstone island kinda sucks.
Great for ore I guess but i mean outside that genuinely boring place to quest in with no rhythm or reason, very poorly structured geographically, real lack of stand out places, honestly feels my like a TBC zone than a starting zone which is the only compliment I'm willing to give it.
also every makes high elves so those fucking iritating elite quests, relatively easy todo, no one makes goblins, good luck killing the elite and even if you do find someone else, guess FUCKING WHAT SOME ABOSOLUTE FUCKING MONKEY DECIDED THIS RACE NEEDS ZERO FUCKING HEALERS, NO PRIEST, NO SHAMAN SO FUCK YOU
WHAT FUCKING RODENTS
ENJOY DYING AND GETTING NO HEALS WHILE FACE TANKING AN ELITE NIGGERs
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these are the people who will make fun of sovereign citizens, then go on discord to make the same tier of arguments as them
instead of "I am not beholden to the law, because that's not my real name." it's "that company is totally dissolved bro, we are actually another company now!"
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>blizzard made
Uhhh theres your issue ch-chuddy
Heccin LIZZARD doesnt know their own lore! Goblins dont have faith in anything
"Contracts with the elements?" Uhhh sorry chuddy but that makes no sense. Shamans are about cooperation with the elements!
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they could just made goblin shamans more akin to corrupt or evil shamans who force the elements to do their bidding then given them custom lore quests about how they're going out of their way to forcefully take the power of the elements
>but you cannot do
yes you can
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I think it is more the primitive nature that doesn’t really match the Wow goblin nature. But you are right that there are shamans who force the elements to do their bidding within the lore of the game.
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fucking turtleshits get the fuck off my general, your shitty server is finished
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It doesn't match goblins, it would have taken a lot of leg work honestly to make it fit.
Probably much like blood elves had all those custom quests in TBC about how they we're stealing the power of the nauru imprisoned in silvermoon.
You may of needed a quest line where you help a goblin warlock track down and subdue powerful elemental, maybe make it even harder than typical shaman quests and justify it by saying this is an evil path for goblins so it's harder for you.
Earth totem can be the same.
Fire elemental is in RFC as a new zone boss so people will actually help you kill him.
Water elemental is in BFD
Air Elemental is in Wildhorn canyon
Also you got to betray and kill the warlock who sent you around doing this at one point that results in the elements saying, we dislike you less than we disliked him so for now we'll cooperate but we're going to smash your skull in at one point.
Not quite the TBC redemption of the blood elves arc but something kind of interesting, but I think the reality is the devs play high elves they don't play goblins.
So all that shit to justify it really would have come from someone who cares, or hell maybe instead of kill elementals you just kill shamans and steal their totems,
kill and ogre, quill-boar and whatever race hogger is shaman. and you just loot the earth totem from a dead troll trainee, and instead of forcing them you're basically tricking the elements into thinking you're the original owner.
but again doing any of this shit would require someone to want to do extra work to just make the goblin starting experience feel smoother.
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>Finally decide to try healing
>Roll a priest
>Run two dungeons
>Both of them full of the most retarded niggers imaginable
I'm giving this shit one more try before shelving the healing role forever.
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