>Star Savior is a new game by Korean studio BSide, the developers of CounterSide. It's a 3D turn-based fantasy RPG with training gameplay. It features an all-female cast, optional PvP and is voiced in Korean and Japanese.
I’m running waltz Emily w Carmen and testing out rotating the 4th on corridor and it’s strange because despite not having a 2 piece hit set my Rosaria doesn’t seem to do better than Lacy even though I have similar investment among them, Rosaria has higher s2 levels and Lacy has higher affection. Both use the same gear set I just swap.
Why is that? Shouldn’t Rosaria be overwhelmingly superior in a meta where landing debuffs is unreliable?
>>568951593 The most messed up part is BCharlotte did better than both against 15-36, but stage is all moon. To be fair there’s naturally rng but seeing as the scores are 51% 65% 73% completion I wonder if I should just stick to Charlotte?
>>568951593 Rosaria's main damage buff comes from her defence down on ult. If it whiffs then her damage falls off, but even if it lands it doesn't amount to too much if she is the only dealer on the team. Lacy has speed up and attack up built into her kit. If she lands her debuff, the affected enemies give her action advance when they hit her. Still, from an offensive viewpoint landing her debuff isn't as crucial as it is with Rosaria. But yeah, B.Charlotte is just great in all content, even more so as a solo dealer
>>568956420 At first I was thinking she wasn’t as good because of lacking aoe but given that I lost all 3 of those fights with the side mobs alive I think aoe is a non factor at least if I play this as an idle game.
>>568951593 The differences between characters gets bigger at higher investiment. But, as the other anon said, both characters rely on debuffs and i think they both want to be on double dps teams. Rosaria wants someone to take advantage of her def break. Lacy is more of a bruiser than a main dps. >>568956671 In general, you don't need to worry about side mobs and you only basically only ever bother focusing them if you're desperate to push / using them to avoid breaking the boss too early.
>>568960451 I guess I’ll give those 2 rangers another shot once I’ve farmed a pair of hit gear pieces seems unfair to judge them as is, including how I only have their s3 at level 6/7 instead of 8, but man that guaranteed 20% cuck rng turns me off so much if it weren’t for their waifu value I’d ditch the idea of even investing in them no matter their power level.
>>568959261 I'd say it depends, you definitely dont need to be trying to go above 200+ speed on everyone but running speed necklace always helps and in stuff like cosmos gate you can run laps around the boss breaking it repeatedly with waltz+counterside ship
>>568958251 Seems like the damage multipliers on her skills are actually fairly good. I built her to have 96% crit rate and 171 speed and as a result she gets turns rapidly, and she was hitting the level 3 flash point Smile boss for about 15k damage each turn. Spending the nova force on her to boost her special skill lets her use it every turn, getting 2 stacks of speed up on herself, and stacking repeated burns on the enemy, so she'll probably work well with an upgraded SR Scarlet. Since she can spam her special every turn it also makes her a prime candidate for Omega's arcana skill. Trying PVP for a while, she hits for 3500-4000 damage on most enemies, which has been enough to oneshot most characters, while the one Haydee I ran into got hit for 2500 damage or about 60% of her HP right off the bat. For comparison, Rosaria only crits on squishies for about 3100 with her special. This is also with a not particularly good journey archive on Marcille at the moment and half her gear not being upgraded.
>>568977410 >kill adds, takes 40+ turns to beat smile >ignore adds, they tap my haydee and she dies to smile before I can start spamming skill+basic shields
>>568977410 on arca, a lot of the ready-made clears are: >for the last third of the fight, you need Fei to evade every time >>568978910 wasn't HSR the E7 killer (real)? we're just trying to look at anime tiddies in 2026
How does the potential point conversion work in journey? Do I always wanna eat the potential point food or is there a thresh hold and some cheaper ones just should be skipped?
>>568947380 in Journey Hard, you get to pick a "manual" the first day. then the second day, you get to pick a "base" relic; that determines the effect on the final piece. then, after each Hunt you get to pick a relic for the 2ndary stat (-+ some truly nightmarish rng). check the spreadsheet in the OP.
>>568985465 I’m new so my experience should have little value but just now I tried having both Rosaria and Lacy on the same team and giving Rosaria the better gear, coupled with her superior stellar archive she’s 4200 vs Lacy’s 3800 atk. Unless W Carmen’s oath changes mid battle from Lacy’s s3 then Lacy has been front line tanking alongside Rosaria this whole time, yet she managed to survive longer than Rosaria and Ash W. She only has 127% hit vs Rosaria’s 133 so she basically never gets debuff off on boss.
That said it’s really cool how she on insight can survive so long simply because the side mobs act as her healers. This might not apply to end game but right now she heals more than they do damage.
I dunno I think Lacy doesn’t need Carmen at all and unlike Emily she’s not a magnet. I can imagine an attack/hit set would magnify her survivability through the roof.
>>568985465 For Fei, just go ATK + Crit Damage. Her arcana gives her 100% crit rate on dodge so there's no point in giving her crit rate since front row means she gets attacked often and should have her 100% crit rate up most of the time. Give her life steal from hard journey and Bride Carmen and she won't be dying anything time soon. Note that this only applies for PvE where enemies don't have the brains to just ignore Fei. Don't know about Lacy.
>>568986958 But now I’m skeptical again because the wall I’m facing in corridor gives me worse results than before, lasting an average of only 42 turns when my old average with Emily over 2nd dps was like up to 100 turns before losing. Then again I’m not sure if that matters.
>>568985465 Fei relies on her arcana for crit rate, so you forgo crit rate and just build atk/crit damage. In PvP, you'd build the lifesteal or counter skills from Journey Hard. They're saying on Arca to just grab the atk skill now. Haven't tried it myself tho. I think Lacy is still on her old build, which is atk set + focus. I tried front lining her today and she got fucking wrecked tho. Probably need to build more HP on her. It feels like she needs a retarded amount of stats.
>>568987887 Hard Journey gives access to special items that alters the passive you get at the end of the journey. If you pick the 3rd misc manual near the start of the journey, you get offered 3 items after a few more days with the last having a chance to be the life steal item. If you carry that item to the end of the journey, your journey passive automatically becomes +15% life steal.
>>568991641 Yeah it failed but so did Emily+Charlotte. Right now unless someone offers a new team to try I think I’ll have to give up beating 115 for now.
>>568991641 And mainly it’s just because this is my ideal waifu team among the current roster, Emily being a close choice but her combat animations leave much to be desired once you step away from the cool genre,
A Clarissa bro on Arca is holding a fried chicken contest to buy votes: https://arca.live/b/starsavior/172332297?mode=best&p=1 >>568993049 Anon, the two center slots get 80% of the aggro. If you're tanking with Lacy, then put Lacy in one slot and a healer in the other.
>>568993425 My Lacy lacks the gear to compete with Ash W in overall value so having her die first is better than losing Ash W where a huge chunk of my ramped up damage comes from. If Carmen is out there she dies too fast from taking double damage and her sustain is my lifeline.
If a fight has huge focus spike damage I’ll just swap her out for Emily. But as is she in that spot was the reason I got over 15-36 when I tried all other combinations and didn’t come close. Not saying this setup works everywhere it definitely does not, but it’s convenient for my purposes.
I had a dream that Fei and I got married. It was peaceful for a while and then we got roped into some other conflict and ended up fighting a mecha, but we still came out on top. Then I opened my eyes...
>>568993956 So far the only 100%-everyone-will-agree loli is Omega. Bside were perfectly happy to make lewd lolis in their other game however so it's only a matter of time before we get more.
When does dps W Ash become more viable than healer W Ash? I’m at lb1 right now still new, do I switch over right away once I find pieces of gear or do I stay more of a healer until she’s grown a bit in dupes?
>>569005841 You'd want mlb for guaranteed follow-up attack for dps focused. Otherwise it's just isn't that consistent and you'd better make her as healer since more than often you'd put her upfront anyway.
>>569007932 Ehh, it's hard to have a good rule around that. I just used the t1 golds that rolled twice into crit/crit damage. Just to because of how effective crit is (was?) at pumping CP. You also want to be using your gifts since affection gives stats, and those books that let you upgrade stats at the HQ.
Is anyone using this? Got any recommendations? I already have MLB Waltz Ash and as far as I know, there's no one else that's a must MLB right?
Also I'm considering using my selector box for Hilde. The only other characters I'm missing are Petra and Roberta and both of them are on the same flashpoint node so I'm just gonna farm that. Would Hilde be worth trying to MLB or at least get a couple copies on? Her pre-emptive guard feels really good and I feel like getting more copies wouldn't hurt. I'm planning on using the arcana selector to get her card as well, since I want pre-emptive guard on my tanks.
>>569013379 Just borrow Hilde's Arcana, you're better off using a selector on a cosmic character Preemptive guard is great in PvP but you need MLB else it's better on other tanks
>>569014235 I have every order and chaos character though. Or does cosmic refer to something else? Anyway, the only order/chaos characters I use regularly are Rosaria and Waltz Ash. Waltz is already MLB, is LB1 Rosaria that worth it? Its just a 5% ATK buff right? She doesn't get additional effects until LB2+
If it means anything, I have Luna LB2 and Lacy LB1 as well.
Training proficiency awakening is such a troll. You just rested your stam up to full and aren't going to be low enough to have a fail chance any time soon and it gives you fail chance down for 2 turns.
I see people are talking about ignoring mobs. Every time I try that though, the mobs whittle me down too much and the boss always breaks through my tank and then the whole team falls apart. So I always focus on the mobs first, and then I outlast the boss over the next 60-70 turns and slowly whittle it down instead.
Is everyone but me doing crazy unga bunga DPS damage or something? I can't figure out how to do operations without taking a highly defensive, slow and steady approach. Right now the only reason I'm making any new progress on my operations is because I got wedding Carmen and now I have a defensive core of Emily/Waltz Ash/ Wedding Carmen that keep each other alive and healed up.
>We all got crazy buffs and stats from hard journey
I'm not there yet, I'm literally doing 18-9 on a second monitor. Also, I should mention I can't auto any of this. I always have to do it manually because the whole thing depends on Emily doing a burst basic attack to keep her shields up literally every single turn. Doing this manually for 30+ nodes per section takes fucking ages, yanno?
>>569018584 >>569014563 Since not all selectors include cosmics and this one does, its best to use it to dupe one of the existing ones. Waltz is the only one that needs to be maxed ASAP, the only other ones that have an enhanced passive upon duped aside from Waltz (and Luna) is Elisa and Seira. Seira does see some use in Cosmo Gate, Elisa is more of a PvP unit. if you already have those duped, or not PvPing or try harding Cosmo Gate, just throw it at Rosaria.
>>569019319 I don't have copies on Elisa or Seira yet, but looking at their kits... Man, I would have thought Seira would be the PVP one and Elisa the general use one. Like, Siera doing 9% more damage if the enemy has 75% or more HP kinda feels like its only good when you're aiming to one shot someone in PVP. I can't imagine it being that useful in single player content? Am I just stupid and not seeing the vision or something?
>>569019684 He's kind of wrong, they're both PvP first saviors. I think Seira had some use in cosmo gate one time but it was a long time ago. Elisa is powercrept by every other healer in game since there's very strong options, but she is insane in PvP because they're forced to aim her else she just resses whoever dies first, and she takes a LONG time to kill if she uses her skill on herself/is protected by tanks.
>>569019959 Huh. I can see the value in Elisa more than Seira for me personally so I guess I'd go for her? That being said, I'm not sure I'd really use her? Still, if it has to be a cosmic character I guess it would be either her or Rosaria? But giving Elisa an actual passive skill sounds better than givign Rosaria 5% more ATK I guess?
>>569020015 Oh yeah, bunny Charlotte's the best. I have her at LB2 though, so I feel like getting another copy is just a waiting game.
>>569020585 They're both good depending on how you want to play PvP, out-speeding your opponents with Seira or out-tanking them with Elisa If you plan to PvP then pick one, though keep in mind Elisa needs LB1 to be decent and I think Seira is fine at LB0 If you don't plan to PvP much then just get a Rosaria dupe, if you use her it's worthwhile for the additional combat power you get from +10 affection levels, 5% atk and the limit break.
>>569021042 ...True enough, the box doesn't expire right? In that case I can just sit and wait on it, yeah. That being said, I'm still sitting on the other selector box...
>>569035027 Get Emily, waltz and bchar for starters, you need a defender like the other anon said, use Haydee if you don't have Emily.
I finally built my bCarmen today and I did 25-36, 8-10 and now floor 250 back to back She is just utterly broken, Bullet is fucking retarded and underestimates how much she stabilizes teams vs AoE I'm playing at almost a 50k power deficit
>>569036405 that's with hits big 6 month anniversary patch too, it's literally over, i seriously hope people didn't get fooled and spent more money on this game
>>569036569 >>569036405 That's like 98% May and the Fei/Tyria banners desu and a lot of people were probably saving for half anni June will be the revenue to look at
>>569036746 what kind of cope is this, do you think people wait till the end of the banner to roll? most of the money is from whales buying all the packs to max everything out anyway, this just tells you how many whales are even left
>>569036405 >>569037163 argue its a side effect of printing copypaste arcanas >hildes is giga OP+core for pvp >rosarias is giga OP for AoE rangers (nearly every 5*) and 4.5% crit rate is 10/10 if you manage to parent it+obtain it for non-ranger dps >lynns is a copypaste of charlottes that everyone has >fei's is only good for PVP >tyrias is a copypaste of lacy
>>569037581 Difference in scale too, Counterside was in the Last origin zone where it had very dedicated well, but not nearly as enough as LO, it clearly made enough to maintain services and fund (partly) Star Savior development, Star Savior monetization is retarded, because they do not make money with dupes and they do not release skin. Unironically their fault, skins should be their main way of doing money, instead of selling a gazillion pack mmorpg gook style.
>>569037581 >>569037869 It making the same isn't good, because this was our 6 month anniversary patch that was meant to "save" the game. Usually when games have a big anniversary patch the revenue is supposed to spike upwards, not downwards.
>>569037581 It'd be better if BSide hadn't been so fucking retarded so many times, but for now they're pivoting and the trend in terms of users is positive (the 4 week chart on samsung galaxy is 10.4k -> 17.7k)
>>569037998 More on that but it's really dumb now looking back on it, CS made money with skins and BP, and Starsavior BP isn't very interesting, and they release next to zero skin, like I get it's more work because 3D, but this how you make money, they took Nikke monetization style and simply copied half of it, they are really fucking retarded
>>569037507 The end of May had a lot of other gachas dropping patches, including the CN launch of CZN and a big NTE update The truth hurts but star savior just doesn't have the momentum to be the "main game" for whales, perhaps they focused on the other gachas at the time since there isn't much to do here but RTA.
They might come around before the half anni is over, either way I think we can agree Tyria and the chink duo flopped massively however.
I'm not even coping because this game is just an afterthought unfortunately, there isn't much to entice whales to spend other than some powercreep PvP stuff. We have skins and several good packs for low spenders in the store right now, I still think we might go up in June even if it isn't by much.
>>569037965 I agree about the Arcana issue, they could drop the 18% crit damage Arcana, or release a crit rate one with a good stat. May just felt like low effort as fuck from the devs like they were banking it all on the half anni. I'm going to reserve my judgement until we see June revenue, if it's less or the same as May then this game is probably done.
>>569039412 >bring in new players They will come in to reroll the lewd stuff, then quit once they start playing the game like majority of the rest of the people
We only lost a milly and it was a low effort month right before half anni We could be pic related KWAB, 25mil less than its predecessor, they probably aren't even making a profit
>>569039168 They literally kept Counterside alive way past its expiration date so you would think they'll keep Star Savior running now that it's basically their only active game. There's literally almost no reason to doompost at the moment.
>>569039607 >>569039412 Unfortunately reply guy is right. The quality of heart and coom in the game is already satisfactory. More is good obviously but the game itself is what's driving everyone away in the long run.
>>569039990 Probably. Everyone so far has been someone we've seen already. Alternatively, the datamined 2nd Counter:Side collab, but that would be terrible even as a refugee myself
>>569040112 Agreed I usually buy BPs and monthly, but the ones in this game just don't interest me because there's so many and the rewards suck I always buy skins but we literally just got the first one and it's a recolor, I bought it anyway but it's not enough, I would pay $30 just for a skin that gives bunny char her original hairstyle.
Also got the 10k+50 tickets pack because it's great value, but I have no interest in anything on the store because the amount of gems is just abysmal for the prices, and the game not having proper pity is demoralizing. When I play a mihomoslop clone I know for a fact if i drop $100 I'm guaranteed one 5*, but in SS I could spend that and get nothing and barely even 1/4th of a pity spark. Feels like this game has a lot of F2P from the launch gibs and a lot of hardcore whales, but nothing in the middle because the game doesn't really tempt me to spend. If anything it's getting even more F2P friendly with arcana sharing. We need premium skins ASAP, if they sold Haydee's on the store it would've probably made them 50-100k.
>start enjoying SS again because bcarmen is fun for pushing operations >game is fucking dying and nothing can save it bside's retardation should be studied, if they coom doesn't sell they'll probably shove in a half assed female MC option for the yuritard vtubers
>>569042726 It was literally the big anniversary patch with the first limited character in the game. No matter how you want to spin it, it is not a good result.
I blame bside for the CS lite-EoS for chasing whales away and Bullet for his dooming Losing the big whale theorycrafter because he's retarded poisoned the well
>>569043386 And their devs aren't making a new game while running it, the less SS makes the less goes into the game, and more they bet everything on the third game and run it in maintenance mode
>>569043572 Star Savior is a fool me once game. If they give it the Bside treatment, people are going to be a lot more wary to support their next game unless it becomes a transcendent success.
We're missing the strongest and most resilient argument: >lol, playing on a phone. hit me with steam revenue. >>569043097 >I blame bside for the CS lite-EoS for chasing whales away and Bullet for his dooming It's actually so retarded because people were doing the: >Is Star Savior safe from EoS? >Yeah, they've been running CS forever despite it's revenue Now, we actually need to deal with what the chart says.
Global except for seanig will purchase on pc anyway since the phone experience is kinda shit so that portion won't reflect on brown chart. >but JP and KR That shit already lost cause to begin with.
>>569043893 I don't know, ask Bullet. he's the retard saying she sucks without Fei/lacy tanking I literally have been going crazy pushing today with her see >>569036167 What DPS did you run for 26-3?
>>569041423 Everything I've bought in Star Savior was within May because I bounced off the game at launch. I already have the 3 girls I most wanted to roll at max limitbreak including Bridal Carmen. And I have a head start on savings towards the next character I decide to roll for, hoping for Ceres. Might try for Bridal Epindel. The monthly gem income subscription is worthwhile so I'll keep paying for that but most of the shop is heavily overpriced and won't tempt anyone but the dumbest of whales. The battle pass doesn't strike me as a good deal either. They should stuff a skin in there and increase some of the rewards. More skins means more ways to pay for something besides rolling which is a must for idle games and games that give away free tickets like candy. Betting on PvP to drive gacha roll sales is a bad business model, most players will ignore that mode and will not be tempted to break the piggy bank. Climbing operations, etc is difficult and will push people but from my perspective it's more boring than difficult which is where most of the new players quit rather than buy to climb. I quit myself because the game does not respect your time. I feel bad because I don't know how you would fix that but it is what it is.
>>569044492 There are plenty of companies that release their month by month revenue, and even if it doesn't match exactly to the charts, the charts have always been relatively close and a good indicator of revenue going up and down. You can keep coping though.
>>569044885 Put your tank Haydee or Emily in the front row, remove Dana because she's niche. Use waltz + haydee + wcarmen and swap our the DPS based on the element you're fighting, or bchar since she rapes every element
>my wattz is lb1 She should work well albeit a bit less powerful than MLB, much better than Dana anyway Also use the Omega break skill
>>569045060 They need to move away from selling resources in the shop We should be able to farm gear/level up/resonance materials from random challenges and stuff which requires you to play different saviors than your main one. Maybe even use preset teams which you need to work with.
There are so many saviors yet I feel like I'll never try any of them except my main team/pvp team/cosmo meta picks. It's depressing becasue I want to play different characters but the investment required is utterly ridiculous. They literally have systems in place to let players show off like the rankings for PvE etc which is dominated by people who buy resources.
The game just has no reason to log in. If you're walled on a operation, up until wcarmen hit you weren't going to overcome it from the measly resources you get daily. They should let us grind and monetize elsewhere like with skins and proper store deals. People WILL stop logging in if they hit a wall and can't overcome it after a few weeks, and they will quit. Player retention is all about giving even the shitters who can't beat 18-36 something to play for, a treadmill like grind that makes them want to keep playing and logging in.
>>569045062 How well was she tanking for you? I've been turtling with a similar comp but Emily over Tyria, but the deer just ends up out damaging my healing with his double AoE. The problem is I can't break the fucker because I need a dark element with good single target and Rosaria doesn't cut it. my bChar pumps damage but she only has 30k HP, I don't see her living as the tank
>>569046991 My Charlotte has 39k HP for some reason with 99% crit rate and 96% crit damage so it helps that she hits hard all the time. I also time my nova burst with her ult for added healing so my other healing skills like Carmen's ult can be used on someone else.
>>569048327 I've probably hit my limit, the boss is 67k combat power above me How is Tyria's single target? I assumed she was a meme from bullet's list and only works vs tanks
>>569040220 EF's last actual new banner was over a month ago, and that banner lasted slightly over a month if I remember correctly. There's another banner right after it ended, but it's mostly a bait rerun banner.
>>569046097 If people are paying for the resources, which is baffling but wherever there's a leaderboard there will always be an imbecile paying to be on it, then don't stop selling them. The point is 99% of people won't pay for level up materials so you need to dangle the right bait to get more people paying for something and skins is an obvious one most gachas do. Whaling is always a tiny part of the playerbase but as you said you need the dolphin class that'll buy skins, and alts for their fav characters, and pay for subscriptions and battle passes to support the game in the meantime. >I can't use most of the cast of girls Definitely an issue, the game design isn't congruent with using the wide cast. Star Link and leftover gear should be sufficient to handle your Team 2 and 3 but I think they were hedging on pick & ban PvP for forced meta depth and nobody cares about that shit. You use the same team for everything basically and only swap out an odd member for color triangling. It's not ideal but again I don't know how you fix that. The metatarding that goes on in this general is sickening but when climbing is this dull, time wasting and harsh; it's hard to blame people for wanting to turn their brain off. Star Savior should be a lot more casual than this. Sell people on the characters, writing, unique Journey stories and coom, the gameplay and leaderboarding isn't going to keep people around.
>>569050415 I agree honestly. I really like this game's characters and story. This isn't my main game but I wish my main game had a similar story, soundtrack and vibrant characters as SS. My main has has far superior gameplay but that's literally it, the story is ass that most people skip and nobody is invested, in fact they're rewriting the whole thing because it's so bad. It's inferior to SS in nearly every way but makes bank on the gameplay loop alone.
As a JRPG fan I actually quite like SS's gameplay but I just feel like doing the same shitty operations pushing with almost the same team is boring and dull, I want something different to do. Perhaps something which lets me hang out with characters and go on missions with them or something, and it rewards stuff to help me build new characters or gear sets. The problem with SS is the story is so contained within the timeloops that it's hard to canonically make a reason for the MC to do stuff that isn't training his savior party. Each girl has basically just their journey story and Arcana events, then they're forgotten unless they get showcased in an event or get an alt. I know I will get flack for saying it but a dorm system or hangouts feature would go well here, the girls are very fun that I find myself laughing at the gags from time to time, they could really cook with some casual content and perhaps some expansion on the affection system. We have a lot of waifufags who play this game specifically because the girls are great, why not expand on that facet of the game more? I don't know what the devs need to do, but they need to add some kind of repeatable gameplay that allows us to spend time with the characters while not being a complete chore that walls you with timegates or leaderboard/PvP stuff. I do think there is a niche for the latter stuff but like you said, the game needs waaaaaaaaaaaaay more casual content and the gooks should move away from the tryhard ranking shit as the sole endgame.
>>569036405 >>569036569 >>569036653 >>569036746 >>569036748 If you actually believe this, you're retarded. Brain damaged even. The numbers taken on that chink site only accounts for mobile CN-Android and CN-IOS revenues. Have you ever wondered how LADS constantly placed 1# on rankings even though it's a mobile only game? While games like genshin, nte and endfield have numbers from steam/pc client or consoles which are higher than mobile revenues? These numbers are not COMBINED across multi-platforms and are deliberately grossly, misleading to fool only the lowest iq. Wake the fuck up, you're smarter than this.
>>569052006 >The numbers taken on that chink site only accounts for mobile CN-Android and CN-IOS revenues This game isn't released in china, to be published in china you need to jump through hoops and have a local chinese publisher take on the game. You are the one with lowest iq in this entire thread.
>>569052006 The amount of gachatards who believe that shit is staggering when sensortower doesn't even reflect real revenues. This shit has gone on for 2 fucking years and retards still fall for it, like this retard over here >>569052338
>>569052006 And then there's Nikke whose meme chart mobile only revenue is double their actual revenue as shown in their quarterly financial reports; where the financial reports include even their PC revenue.
funny how when the game did well last month no one despites the charts but when it tanks you have all the retards coping and going full damage control. if you actually play the game you'd know how dead it is just from your guild and friend list activity in the last month
>>569053510 >if you actually play the game you'd know how dead it is just from your guild and friend list activity in the last month this, it's fucking over Only a sex minigame can save it
>>569051925 Yeah, agree across the board here. Star Savior has sovl, which is great, but you still need to execute on gameplay or go full Blue Archive ("lol, what gameplay"). >It's inferior to SS in nearly every way but makes bank on the gameplay loop alone. One of the memes on arca is that Ryu is a "fake otaku". If his model of gaming was from 20 years ago, it would explain a lot about why the systems here are copy-pasted and wildly incongruent. Your "main game" was in-tune enough to copy-paste a pretty great indie game. >I just feel like doing the same shitty operations pushing with almost the same team is boring and dull Agree, the main "mode" being about CP maxxing is really bad. I am not sure how Nikke avoided this feeling. >I know I will get flack for saying it but a dorm system or hangouts feature would go well here I think this is correct, just skeptical of BSide being able to pour in the resources to do it well. fwiw, the dorm is one of the best parts of BA.
>>569053510 The player retention is bad that's definitely true, and there is definitely a decline in engagement that forced Bside to be more active community wise. Still you have to heap through doomposter and retards that think all is well and good. The game still has huge flaws but it also isn't EOS tier, Aether gazer and Outerplane have bee going for years and they are of similar bracket as Star Savior, only the former have nowhere near the potential SS has. So if Bside get their shit together they might actually go beyond that 'alright' bracket and make money consistently
>>569054041 5 or so whales can carry the entire guild, it's a feast or famine game and anyone not dropping hundreds on resource boxes is in the "famine" category
>>569051925 Yeah, I agree with pretty much everything you said here. It's just a misaligned game that needs to capitalize on its strengths and figure out ways to lessen the weaknesses. I want Star Savior to succeed. This is the gacha I wanna put my money in because it hits most of the things I want. But I have to force myself often to keep engaged, and that should tell you how bad the weaknesses are.
>>569050415 >If people are paying for the resources, which is baffling Have you actually looked at the resource packs in the last section of the apocalypse shop? You pay a few hundred gems to get a week's worth of stamina in mats. The reason progression feels so shit and is so stagnant is because the game is designed for whales to buy their way ahead, hell even normal players will benefit from trading a handful of rolls to buy mats instead and save themselves a month's worth of waiting to be able to upgrade a single character to max.
>>569058937 >Have you actually looked at the resource packs in the last section of the apocalypse shop? No. They're worthless. And honestly it's a good thing if PvP focused game design flops, otherwise the game will turn into a constant powercreep cesspit. I've been there. Don't fall for it. You'll max out your girls eventually.
>>569081551 Since not all selectors include Cosmics and this one does, the "correct" choice is getting Seira so you complete the collection. But you are also missing Bell and she's pretty good and is used in more situations than Seira.
>>569084540 bells definitely better than seira but seiras harder to get. Also thanks to cosmic gate always being chaos bosses you can get decent value from her
As a new player how many characters should I be leveling resonance on? I know there’s this parent farming or whatever it’s too confusing for me who has no access to hard mode yet but should I even be bothering building heroes with the intent of making them parents right now? I’m somewhat at an I pass because I’ve spent all my starlight essence boxes and can no longer progress by directly upgrading my party’s levels.
>>569099051 Since resonance mats aren't refundable like regular levels, you should only put them on saviors you intend to actually use. Until you get hard journeys there's no need to get anyone above reso 4, and then once you get hardmode unlocked you can go to 8 before journeying, or 9 if you're ready to autofarm for parentage. Actually if you have access to even a couple good arcana you don't need to level resonance at all until hardmode, since the normal run is already so easy to cheese with charms and such.
>>569099051 Focus your resonance on your main team. Re: parent farming, if you have characters that are good on auto, you can try to aim for some +30/35 archives. You're kind of at the point of trying to squeeze out every scrap of CP you can get. There's a page on the spreadsheet about CP-maxxing; I think the one that's easy to miss is the stats from affection/gift-giving.
>>569099615 >>569100147 >>569100253 Thanks, now I just need to figure out the best way to making use of those gear boxes I’ve used most of them but so far I’ve only found 3-4 pieces worth +15 I’m wondering if gear should take a backseat awhile longer as I make do with the minimum for now? My main party stellar archives right now ranges from 6.6-6.8k, and the only thing I have left to grind a lot is main story which I never touched so far cause I wanna enjoy it not for gameplay purposes.
>>569054295 >5 or so whales can carry the entire guild I max out the guild defense scores every guild war and I spent $15 total. The game is just not active at all.
So far, I've seen SR(R) shilling for Claire, Clarissa, Vera, Annah. Pretty cool. >>569103039 Yeah... gearing is kind of hellish. I recommend holding your nose and +15-ing shit to pump your CP until you unlock Journey Hard. Also, the story is not like... super involved. It goes pretty quickly.
How good is Hilde? I have at base atm. I was thinking of getting her selector and rolling for her in the rate up selector. Worth it or should I save my pulls?
What does the self healing of Starlight Grace mean? Does it mean the savior’s healing is increased or does it mean only their healing to themselves is increased? I have zero faith in translation accuracy for game mechanics so I’d rather not assume via English text.
>>569113131 Hilde's passive is jumping in front of allies, so pretty strong in PvP. Kind of wasted in PvE, since defenders aggro everything anyways. >>569113498 Going purely by "people say it's good", the former. >>569113878 Ehh. Bunny Frey, I guess? Lacy is equivalent to Tyria at zero unbinds, and worse after 1. Lyn's first arcana is good, but with how tight slots are, you'd prefer to take others. Lyn's second arcana powergaps Charlotte enough that you'd probably take that anyways. (You can't equip 2 of the same person's arcana's).
>>569114805 Dang I dunno how to fit this in then cause when I realized it I ditched the 6% atk and crit chance for it and even lowered my overall combat power just for more hp and heals. Better for my current status I guess but how does one fit everything at once?
>>569124459 The skill description is getting changed to match the way the skill currently works in-game. 5 Chill basic attack consumes her 5 stacks but I believe she gets one back for landing the attack.
>>569124108 I feel like Hololive sponsorships rarely drive sales or attract new players. Most of their viewers are just passive consumers who only spend money on their favorite oshis and merch. They don't really care about sponsored games and usually forget about them the next day.
>>569124868 >5 Chill basic attack consumes her 5 stacks but I believe she gets one back for landing the attack Does this mean that she'll instantly get 5 stacks again after her BA?
>>569125747 This is completely true but big companies are retarded and don't realize it. Also gooks hate holoshit after that big drama recently, you aren't earning any bonus points by having them and JP only care for JP vtubers.
>>569103039 For gear all I can recommend is don't waste your boxes which guarantee a piece with the main stat (the ones frm doing operations). Use them to get speed necks and ATK/HP rings, even if the stats aren't that good. Once you hit endgame good luck getting the set piece with the right main stat. Make sure you have two teams with correct necks/rings before using those boxes on weapons and armor.
>>569125747 They already sponsor Pippa and some other vtuber. There isn't much sponsor to do unless you gambled it and put on every slopchannel like RAID:SHADOW LEGEND
>>569145789 Pic related is a tacit admission from the devs that they do not consider being stuck on a single operation stage for two weeks (or longer) to be a problem. They blindly copy what other gachas have done before them whether or not it's to the game's (or player's) benefit
>>569125747 I think the conversion for streams is probably low, but relatively cheap for the # of eyeballs. Advertising for mobile games went parabolic in ~2017; like $20 per install expensive, I'm sure it's worse now. >>569143386 Yeah, go get Luna. She can AOE on her basic, which lets her cheese some bosses. Seira is a PvP opener, but you'd only get her if you wanted to read her Journey.
Fuck me floor 26 is torture Every 3 floors it's either the deer or the four armed brawler And it's all order element so the stall team doesn't work since it relies on bchar doing insane single target damage over Rosaria
>>569153563 The calculus here is just "does it make CP go up?" And, yeah, since the neck/ring have bigger main stats, they add a lot to CP even if the subs are shit. Since we have idle resource gathering, you're incentivized to be greedy about CP since it means you can push further, which means you get more resources, which means you can push further... You can basically push straight to 180-ish before it starts slowing down.
>>569153563 You do less damage the less CP you have compared to the opponent, getting a set of +15 stuff is crucial to begin with. If you're new just level tier 1s because their substats don't matter only the main stat, the rates in which the substats go up is negligible on T1s and they're cheaper to level. If you have unlocked T2s get a decent main stat piece with ~2 good stats and max it, save the minmaxxing for later. It's not a process you can rush and this game is very stingy on materials for gear/getting T2s at all from hunts. I have the second last hunt unlocked which needs 266k combat power and I still get no T2s sometimes.
>>569159407 >get 5 stacks and a perma extra turn whenever bunny char crits 3 times with basic + 2 for sun attribute turn she would be insane if her damage wasn't reliant on shielded enemies
>>569160290 Then running her with bchar is probably going to be very strong, but honestly it's kind of a shame she's sun element since the best DPS in game already is
>>569159407 lmao what a piece of shit game, you literally need mlb again or she's junk as fuck and you don't have enough ignition gain to get the extra turn unless you're running multiple sun. funny how devs said they wouldn't do this anymore
>gearing all my ssr waifus and cheesing through operations >realize i need 3x copies of each one to keep going or wait 2 weeks to pass 1 stage so is this the f2p fate?
>>569180298 the only one that really destroys your anus over not having the maxed passive is Waltz. i guess Bunny Claire also gives herself a billion crit rate at 3 unbinds. >>569180486 it's Nicole for me
>>569195809 Holy Moley shes gonna go so hard with Bunny Char, and luckily shes my strongest character right now. Please end carmen banner early I NEED MY WIFE.
>>569221819 He talks about how Wepindel need maxed copy for 100% of getting 2 stack ignition while she doesn't even need it in the first place. Everyone in the team that crit gives her that, She doesn't even need Sun ally as i.e Rosaria crit for 3 with her AoE gives her 3 stacks already.
>>569238563 First time I did Journey it took hours, maybe 3 or 4. Scared me off the game for awhile. It's much quicker when skipping previously viewed events but still a time consuming endeavour.
>>569238563 first one takes quite a while, then future runs you can skip previously viewed events and it'll cut the time it takes to like 10-15 minutes if you skip every fight too
As a new player around operation 18-19 and have my main 4 at 3/6/6~ with some higher for the specific skill like cool down or what not, what am I supposed to prioritize with my cubes now? Do I level up the skills of these 4 or start building others?
>>569241707 You could level your dream team a bit more but I wouldn't take anything over 7 unless the skill has a big benefit at 8. Gets way too expensive.
>>569241707 >>569242016 basics dont cost gold cubes until after level 7 so it might be worth it for your main dps characters like bunny charlotte/tyria
>>569242016 >>569243731 Cool, now I’m finding myself out of gold even having used all my boxes and I can’t even hit level cap with my main team. I didn’t anticipate this.
>>569246183 up to about 180 is the no gold zone, followed by no starlight essence till 190 and then a sudden operation report drought. 200+ is back to starlight essence problems while you sit on 20+ million gold and just about enough reports to 220.
>>569246695 they scare you with that final decision to lock those saviors in forever but this is what it actually looks like. merely turns out to be the first 4 but not on the left of the screen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykwMNbAiHNs >still shills AX5 for every dps Man at some point I'm going to build identical archives with AX5 vs FX5 to compare the damage.
>>569250398 I already stopped copying his retarded guide, the actual best strat for non whales for now is going the double crit rate one so you can run crit damage set, you will gain like 5k+ cp on your dps alone for that which makes up for any min max bullshit.
I finally got Smile Been playing since day one of JP/KR launch and she was the only SSR I didn't have, including post release ones Shame that she isn't meta
>>569245594 The current events give lots of gibs. After maintenance we'll get >free 2k gems for bcarmen's kit typo >compensations gibs: 100 Stellagems + 3 Standard Savior Observation Tickets >200-Day Celebration Check-in event
>>569241707 See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykwMNbAiHNs and the google doc he links. Check this part and see how much is worth investing, keep in mind 7-10 cost yellow cubes which take forever to get
>>569266260 Luna is best for that boss if you have her. Otherwise, you're gonna have to either kill the adds and just tank the boss until you do (which is doable with WCarmen), or time your AOEs and run a DPS that lags your team.
>>569261403 It's the only faction that fully playable from the start. The maids don't even have Emily and Bell on release. Well, there's MC party but we don't talk about them.
kyrias doesnt matter as much for PvE if im running full crit damage right? have to boot one of the cards for charlottes and its alot harder to justify removing the others
>be me >addicted to parent farming for days now >try out Harley's journey >thought she would be boring >see this >instantly get a hard-on Harley's gap moe in that frilly dress is too powerful bwos...
>>569294129 Endgamers wanted more difficulty. There are no mission rewards tied to tougher difficulties so there's nothing you're really missing out on if you can't beat them. >boss gives itself a massive shield Bridal Epindel bait to make the spenders feel good basically.
>>569324573 nta but if you finish a journey and create a parent with +5 sense of insight if your next character gets the +5 sense buff it massively reduces the cost of it
>>569339198 You probably better just bring any assassin instead. You don't need the star bonus because star roster is shit because they stack every good dps in the sun yet they still pales.
>>569348116 >Scarlet that low It's Nanover... though surely her bunny version is highly ranked. >Lily and Serpang are the least liked 5*s Not surprised, probably some metafagging going on here but having two girls doing the carrying a stuffed animal trope is cutting a niche audience in half.
>>569349216 the next few are Bell, Lyn, Ash, Claire >>569349086 ehh. it might just be: >zero resources >only managed to do Journey for meta-sluts which, idk, is maybe worse
>rolled 100 arcana std tix in one go >only 1 SSR >it's fucking Omega I'm reeling so hard from this. How can I ever recover? This shit is so rigged, and the only maxed Arcana I have is the April Fools' one.
>>569349421 She's no Bchar but she's quite up there with free normal skill proc with her basic. Her gimmick debuff is guaranteed to land to compared to all other "debuffer". Also, evil woman and recency bias are probably more important considering Fei is up there considering her niche role.
>>569349965 For some reason, I have way better luck with my savior pulls. Almost got all the meta ones, I'm just short of arcanas to fully decked them out for pvp.
>>569350569 Seems both global and Asia share good taste in the top 3 >>569350701 seems everyone shares good taste in their love for Rosaria >>569350569 they don't always need a reason. Just like with CS, it's just something to keep you logging in, the reward doesn't matter
>>569350574 >>569350701 >>569349945 >global has bad taste Nah, all humans are the same. At least Korea forced Luna into the Top 3 in a tiny display of originality of thought.
>>569350574 >vote for my unpopular waifu no one talks about >all my votes go to her >look up fei >shes rank 7 >isn't unpopular at all wtf bwos... I thought I was a niche waifu enjoyer
>>569351241 Lacy is ultra hot and giga sexo despite being a dogshit unit she still gets used and forced because of just how good her design is and how sexo it is
>>569351241 Emily is a cute retard with huge tits and a busted kit >>569351263 directly? No, but in a lot of cases, devs use these polls to decide who they should give content to in the future. Whether it be capitalizing on a popular character, or shilling unpopular characters.
>>569351612 Is she really dogshit though? With equal investment I got farther in operations with her auto ing than Rosaria. At least for casuals she isn’t bad.
>>569352016 she scales poorly because of needing too many different stats and being too awkward to fit a lot of roles not enough damage to be a pure damage dealer not good enough debuffs to be a debuffer not tanky enough to be a tank
shes an awkward middle ground and wants too many different stats
>>569351950 WOW IT'S the exact same shit At least there's a rogue Carmen in there despite the fact she's one of two characters with a wedding dress already.
>>569352016 Lacy is just hard to build and kind of awkward as a bruiser slot. Like, Emily is SSS tier and if you run Emily, she'll steal all the aggro.
>>569352058 I haven’t tried most journeys but I have done hers, and she easily wins both loli votes and power level votes. This game isn’t as degenerate as say brown dust 2 so I bet there’s a fair number of the normalfag crowd that actually cares about random shit like that to sway their vote.
If you brought a more mediocre counterside waifu maybe things will change, but that’s speculation;
>>569352295 >If you brought a more mediocre counterside waifu I'm pretty sure any future CS collab will include girls with Rosaria levels of popularity, like Horizon Orca, Sigma, Lyudmilla, Alex, or Chris would be dope too
>>569353613 Waltz already shows a good amount, and much like with Nikke polls, alts split the votes, which is probably why BChar isn't that high either
>>569350574 >>569350701 >the dom mommy at number one in every region are you fucking serious well since ash's not winning guess i'm voting for tyria out of spite
>>569356354 Are people seriously masochists and wants to be treated like a fucking slave? What shit taste. I can at least understand Emily which is a loveable meta dork
>>569351241 I also don't get the appeal of Emily at all, I'd rather use any other tank but I'm stuck with her because she's meta She hasn't appeared in the story outside of the bunny event which she was MIA for, and 99% of people skip the journey story so whats so appealing about her? I'm convinced they're voting because they dislike her design and want a hotter variant as their meta tank.
>>569352670 Oh I get it now, it's casual anime "fans" liking the jojo meme
>>569356354 They should've never included the CS characters because it was so obvious the CS fans would bomb the poll out of spite I'm surprised Omega isn't higher since arca was going to vote for her
finally I pulled a dupe wCarmen AND a dupe Rosaria Should I use my selector to dupe Luna? Other than Lydia she is the only one that isn't duped at least once and Waltz is already MLB
>annihilation set >every piece running effect hit Am I missing something? What part of her kit needs effect hit, the stellar bloom preview says it's all 100% procs if you critically hit which is easy to do with Bell's Arcana Or maybe it's something I can't see from the preview like 100% chance being locked behind level 10 skills
>>569361749 100% chance doesn't mean its guaranteed, remember that there is that permanent 20% Accuracy debuff on everyone... although I specifically recall something about them removing it for some content
>>569362105 How is effect hit calculated anyway, isn't 160% overkill for a -20% debuff deficit I assumed the 20% thing was PvP only I've never had stuff like Rosaria's ult debuff miss in operations after getting it to 100%
>>569362224 If that is the case then Hit gear is probably worthless for Cosmo Gate >Should be removed from all pve content tbdesu agreed >>569362238 read above >I've never had stuff like Rosaria's ult debuff miss in operations after getting it to 100% mine still misses and I have her at 150% Hit
>>569359896 >99% of people skip the journey story so whats so appealing about her? thanks for exposing how you didn't read her journey story either you stupid ameritard. i get your school system failed you because you can't even read red riding hood but come the fuck on. don't have to assume everyone else has your same failings.
>>569359702 >didn't read the fei's journey story and talks all this shit >intentionally misses out on a broodmare who wants to sire between 10-20 of your children while teaching a martial arts school bro is so ngmi. this saar is not saved frfr
>>569363309 >stupid ameritard Nice projection, but it doesn't change the fact 99% of people don't read Journeys past the first one if at all They're long as fuck and who has the time when there's so many characters Cope more
>>569359170 People must not have even done the collab story in SS or Rosaria's journey to think that she's a "dommy mommy" type. Or they're just utterly retarded.
>>569359896 >She hasn't appeared in the story outside of the bunny event which she was MIA for, and 99% of people skip the journey story so whats so appealing about her? I did her journey and I still don't understand what's appealing, she's one of the most boring one-note members of the entire cast.
>>569376710 you can probably still get a good score on first boss if you have fei and go full tank relying on fei +roberta counter attacking the AoE attacks repeatedly
>>569390780 Look, I'm really cba to do the journey if not for half-anni mission forcing me to do that. There's no explanation on how the inheritances work. And based on my anecdote, you fucking need to clear the journey to get the *45 or more and it's just nearly impossible with auto this inconsistent with my shit arcanas deck. Doing manual won't cap my strength too since I need every arcana skill card and too bad not many of them are universal and even renting BFrey sucks since her non-existant special priority baffles me with how often she sit her ass on focus.
>>569390780 Using Smile isn't bad. She still gets fast and reliable clears. I tend to do manual runs on other characters now but since you need multiple parents I alternate between that and Smile autos.
Is this game trying to be Fire Emblem: Heroes or something? Ain't nobody got time to read all this shit. All I know is he somehow killed my Emily and Waltz in a single attack despite being 80k cp below my team
>>569423931 yeah probably I'll do that. I'm glad for you Rosaria bros though. I joined like a week before she dropped and I barely got out with a good Waltz.
>>569416724 It's literally a "fuck you, quit using Waltz" fight. If anyone attacks out of turn during barrier, everyone dies >>569428602 I don't have Fei...
>>569457583 which ones? also yes all the ones that are their own unit are in the standard pool, there's a couple skins that were released that are currently not available