>>59072170
You're right, but such is life

Reposting this because I think it applies here, credit to the OP:
Jap boomers have become so soft They don't like edgy and cool things anymore because it will scare their grandkids who will cry, shit and piss their pants if they see such intense and brutal characters like GSC Feraligatr, the original Red and Gold trainers and Rareware Donkey Kong, or get scolded by Mr Resetti, thus they had to tone him down, give him a girl's voice and a job doing chores.

The babyfication of everything is ruining society. You know Stand By Me? That film referenced in Red and Blue? We've got adults now that are less capable than these kids and today's kids are literally retarded. Idiocracy is ahead.

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>>59072177
I just hope we aren't heading into a Disney Adult era with the mature fandom, where they want to regress to being in diapers so actively demand more infantile dialogue with rivals who want to be "best friends" and call everything you do amazing.

I don't want a Bob's Burgers situation where the most vocal fanbase becomes people who go online after every single episode to post about how it made them cry. Because then the people in charge think that's what the people want and start pumping out fanfiction type slop that never rocks any boats.

What are people predicting for Wind and Waves? They got your boy back in proper clothes.

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>>59072246
Wind one has a cowboy hat, I'm pretty much set
I usually wear all White outfits with red trim to look like a premier ball

>>59072170
Galar is even worse DOE

>>59072170
Shorts aren't the only comfy things. Remember who tried to pretend sharty wasn't trying to defend scat & vomit after all

>>59072246
People universally shat on the SV uniforms so hard I think even GF got the message they weren't liked.

>>59072243
>You know Stand By Me? That film referenced in Red and Blue?
I don't, actually.

>>59073864
When you interact with the TV it says something about four kids walking on a railway track. It's a reference to the movie.

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>>59073872
>>59072243

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>>59073885
And here it is in the Bump Of Chicken music video

>>59072246
>Bob's Burgers situation where the most vocal fanbase becomes people who go online after every single episode to post about how it made them cry
kek so that's why someone was so pissed about it

>>59073885
>>59073888
lol nice

>>59072170
>bought Violet
lol

>>59072170
They're all kids

>>59072170
Hit it right on the nose. Even for action heroes, marketing will say to add a kid sidekick to make it more popular with children, but the action hero is the one who's cool and the kid is just annoying.

Nobody wants to be a kid, even 3 year olds say they're "3 and three quarters" to try and sound older. The only people who want to be a child are pedophiles. They fumbled.

>>59078221
>pedophiles
just like gayfreak employees then, i guess they really do make games for themselves

>>59073885
>4 niggas in a row reference
>in a game where it's 6 niggas in a column
Wow pokemon is a deconstruction of the Japanese RPG.

>>59072170
You mean you didnt like the looping upbeat jap-pop as your character goes to school where 5 FPS children talk about how great Pokemon are and how cool you are for learning about Pokemon??
>>59072246
>I just hope we aren't heading into a Disney Adult era with the mature fandom
The proper tendies are already there, if pokefags dont resist we're doomed.

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>>59072170
>Maybe nobody at GameFreak remembers being 10
Alot of people running companies seem to have forgotten this. Kids don't want to be kids when they play games, they want to be 40 year old Muscle McLargeHuge, badass extrodinare. They wanna be Batman or Goku. That little shit child side character they added to appeal to the youngins? We all fucking hated him.

>>59079031
Based
>>59079101
The japs probably wish they were infants again so they wouldn't have to be sararymen with soul-crushing workdays

>>59079437
It's everyone's duty to make advertising on 4chan and trying to control a board much more soul-crushing than being a salaryman

>>59079935
It's already trash to post on normally

>>59072170
only for the "country" that wanted to advertise without getting laughed at

>>59072246
No wonder the marketing department was crying so hard about being compared to Star Wars

>>59082071
backstory?

>>59079101
Dragon Ball started with Goku as a kid for a big chunk of the story and He-Man was always cringe
I am not saying you're entirely wrong btw, I always thought it was cringe that kid's cartoons starring adults somehow fell by the wayside for a decade or two.

>>59078202
That's been a thing since the 40's, and Spider-man's entire concept was a young hero who was the mc and not the sidekick
Though to be fair, Peter Parker is still an older teen older than the reader/viewer, and almost always immediately grows up to college age, at the very least

Most games have already removed children protagonists, what the fuck are you guys talking about? When was the last time Link was a child? There were tons of kid protagonists in the NES and SNES and they're almost completely gone now because adults don't want to play as kids - literally the reverse of what you guys are talking about. Pokemon is one of the few franchises where kids are still allowed to be the protagonists. The issue with the SV MC isn't that he's a kid, it's that he looks like effeminate - and that's because the game tried to homogenize the genders.

Gen 6 was the shark jump, and people blame the jump to 3d but that really wasn't the issue, it just happened to coincidence with that as well

Yes the 3d was ugly and lifeless, but they were still making the game as a top down 2.5d gameplay experience
It's when they did the redesign of art direction, started making the characters noodles with buck teeth and doll faces and decided gimmicks are the way forward in a totally non-memorable region

XY is when the franchise was castrated

>>59082102
Link's Awakening HD. Last non-remake Triforce Heroes (guessing you're a more casual Zelda fan).
They pick and choose what age Link should be, by how they approach the game (usually the 2D/ex-handheld games roll younger Links, but the last 2d-type game featured a girl to play as instead) while they decided to make a sequel to breath so decided to use the same Link. Next 3D game will likely continue with a more older tenn Link, but the mid cycle project will likely go younger as a foil (and because I doubt they'll be trying to re=tread the same ground as the 3D effort does).

To some extent this is really just SV being particularly bad about it, the character design was just miserable in every way. Even though protagonists have started to look younger since Gen 7, even the SM version of the guy just looks like an actual kid trying to look cool like Red with the clothes he has in his closet. He isn't actually there yet but I appreciate the attempt, it's believable for an 11 year old. On the other hand, the SS guy looks like a fag like some previous trainers (DP and XY immediately come to mind, even if his fagginess is a lot more mild) while the WW protag looks basically normal. It's like judging Gen 5 entirely off Nate, Hilbert is right there and sick as hell.

>>59082113
>buck teeth
that's hilarious if they did that when the characters stopped being asian

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>>59079101
>That little shit child side character they added to appeal to the youngins? We all fucking hated him.
Thank you. I don't know why they feel the need to add some shitty kid for the audience to relate to, but it always flops. Chris in Sonic, Tiff in Kirby, you name it, anytime they add some random nobody kid, the story ALWAYS slows to a crawl. And they always have to use that kid as a proxy for life lessons.
>Brush your teeth
>Eat your vegetables
>Mind your manners
Same with all those PSA segments at the end of American cartoons, I hated those growing up. I can learn those lessons at school or on my own, I don't need the ninja turtles or Sonic telling me not to smoke or do drugs.

>>59072170
That guy still looks better than what we have now

>>59072170
Kids are a lot smarter than how they get treated, they can tell when they're being talked down to and feel insulted

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>>59072170
Very good arguments actually. Each generation really has a strong portrail of its time period and newer gens tend to be super sanitized in many aspects much like how things are for us today. Its so much more controlled, restrained and dare i say, toxicly positive, even the slightest suggestion of edge or something more dark is unthinkable and THAT is more uncanny than any amount of early gen pokemon logic.

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ZA kind of did the older protagonist thing again. No feel on how old the WiWa protags are.

>>59082664
I remember thinking Inspector Gadget was the cringiest shit ever as a kid because every episode would end with the characters teaching table manners or traffic safety or some other shit that felt like it was written for 3 year olds. It wasn't even its own segment, it was part of the episode.

>>59082113
>It's when they did the redesign of art direction, started making the characters noodles with buck teet
....so HGSS?

>>59082664
>>59084045
More like written for kids whose parents relied on the TV to babysit them. I doubt parents like that taught the kids about table manners or traffic safety

>>59084684
younger characters don't teach you anything either other than being annoying

this thread feels very samefaggy

>>59084045
Inspector Gadget was before my time but Penny was sexy

>>59084684
A lot of parents indeed suck massive ass and expect kids to figure everything down on their own but to narrow it down further, it's more like written by writers getting yelled at by concerned parent groups(karens of yore) and being afraid to piss them off
For instance, the 80's Real Ghostbusters cartoon. Some moms bitched about the secretary character being too sexy, they also said kids are afraid of sharp edges and told them to round out her glasses more. Later the animators and writers found out they literally made that shit up and had no study that existed. The show of course starred grown ass men running their own business, but the moms tried to make them childish by the later seasons.

>>59073888
And they all came to see a fresh corpse.

>>59072170
What a based thread, look how much the usual ESL started crying about it

>>59072170
SWSH was the last title that respected your intelligence.Z-A if you count Legends.

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>>59086148
>SwSh
>the game that gives you Escape Rope as an unlimited use key item
>the game with linear hallways and caves that are literally impossible to get lost in
>the game that constantly stops you with NPCs constantly telling you where to go and what to do
>the game that lets you curbstomp every single NPC trainer with no thought or strategy
>the game that lets you KO max raid den pokemon without having to destroy its shield first
SwSh did not respect us in the slightest.

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>>59072170
You know you don't have to wear the dumbass sun hat, right? And you've got 4 seasonal outfits from the very start of the game, just swap to another.

>>59086235
the irony is most kids hate school, so why would gayfreak force them to attend school and wear ugly school uniforms in their escapism video games about catching monsters?

>>59086237
I fuckin love school arcs so I didn't mind at all.

>>59086237
Most kids hate school but eat up fiction about fake schools, like wizard school in harry potter, fucking yugioh gx, superhero schools, ninja school. They like anything that makes school feel less boring and gay, because school is most of what they know
>well I didn't, I love sucking cock
well you're not everyone, some of these of massively successful franchises among kids

SV does it gayly though

>>59072170
Why does the word gimp always crack me up?

>>59086674
Bring out the gimp.

>>59072170
I really do think that the writing in Pokemon games is a good litmus test for the literacy and general mental ability of the average child of the time, and it has been dropping lower and lower with every single entry.
But on the plus side, when the average kid inevitably gets too stupid to even know how to read, GameFreak will have no choice but to finally add voice acting.

SV did very well in Japan reportedly. I think having a focus on school in Pokemon sort of goes against the fantasy, but maybe there's something in it I don't get.

>>59072170
Best part is when they regret buying it just a few minutes into the game and snap it in half and leave a negative review

>>59072170
>bought Violet
BIIIIG mistake

>>59085341
I learned how to be annoying without needing kids on TV

>>59086228
Previous games also had unlimited Escape Rope for caves at least (Dig)... However it's a good thing to have anyway. Not having one just means running all the way to the exit, there's not danger involved. I only ever used them when I was deep in a cave and didn't want to have to run from 100 Zubats.

>>59086960
>"It's Pikause... It's Pikause... I always want to be with you..."

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>>59073885
>>59073888
They go so far as to reference the exact same shot with the water tower

Anyway, Stand By Me is an evergreen film in Japan, it's eternally popular, as is the song. It's referenced very frequently in media I've also had a surprising number of personal experiences in Japan where that movie or its song came up in some way at the most random times. Ken Sugimori once described Pokémon as fundamentally being "one summer for a boy", and Stand By Me is a coming of age film that depicts four boys setting out without their parents' knowledge one weekend to see a dead body at the end of summer, the end of the 1950s, and also the end of their childhood because there's a loss of innocence and they all move on to middle school and go their separate ways after. The main character is a boy who likes writing, and he had an older brother that died who was the pride of his family and good at sports. The main character is haunted by his dad's words at his brother's funeral: "Why couldn't it have been you?". His talents and interests go unappreciated.

The reason why Pokémon doesn't usually depict a father is for a similar reason. A father being present raises questions on why he isn't in charge. The boy must go out on his own and assert his own independence and grow as a person. Both Gen I and II begin in small towns in what would be the real life Chubu region of Japan (between the real life Kanto and Kansai) at the base of Mt. Fuji (Mt. Silver/Indigo Plateau). Your journey takes you away from the mountain before finally circling around the region to come back and ascend it as the top Trainer, with you one-upping your previous self in Gen II in the process. Pokémon too is meant to depict the coming of age of a boy one summer.

>>59089349
Before Gen V, Dig is only easily accessible in Gen I and FRLG since Diglett/Diglett are unavailable in RSE and Gen V, and only available post-game in Gen II and IV. The only other Pokémon that learn Dig through level up are Nincada (45, LONG evolved by this point especially since it gains experience at a glacial pace based on its experience group), Trapinch (41, same issue), and Dunsparce (45 in Gen IV, once again heavy investment). The Gible line gets it at a reasonable level 31 for Gible (you'll already have it evolved though) and level 40 for Gabite/Garchomp which is much later in the game, and the Gible line is relatively rare to begin with.

Now obviously there's TM28, but TMs are single uses and the only games in which you can get TM28 more than once are FRLG (wasn't a problem anyway because Diglett) and HGSS (post-game only). People are more likely to hold onto it until they won't regret using it on something.

The only reason to leave a cave and backtrack is if you need healing, in which case you may be in trouble if you come across a Trainer that you haven't seen before. The point is that Dig wasn't this thing that you always had access to at all times.

>>59089481
Their fault, then. Fuck every other region

>>59082197
>Calem bad Hilbert good
They’re like the same character

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>>59082652
There's no way you think all the characters were Asian before XY.

Lt. Surge was in Gen 1.
Gen 5 has multiple Blacks.

>>59090124
Long hair's just really gay

>>59090138
Surge needs to be as big as he was in the anime

>>59072170
>leaf green
>violet
Nigga keeps buying the inferior pokemon versions lmao

>>59072170
Too bad there wasn't any Piss Yellow

>>59092214
drink more water

>>59093117
And piss more often

>>59072170
The ones who identify with kids that much end up treating them worse

>>59091497
He needs to die for Israel

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>>59072170
The new games are straighjt up insulting with the how little freedom they portray the kids as having. in S&V you get TOLD to go on your adventure by your SCHOOL which your mom enrolls you in. if i was a kid nowadays i'd kill myslef. The pinnacle of this Hypocrisy is team star. They're a huge band of delinquents, possibly 100+ members strong, they have huge camps spanning large swaths of land, and yet when they're told they could get expelled they are legitimately afraid!? They could start a whole ass team star town with how many people they have, they don't need school. And yet they buckle under the authority of the principal

>>59094748
>if i was a kid nowadays i'd kill myslef
imagine how clean the world would get if they all did

>>59094141
THe anime one's too big to die

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>>59072170
Sorry about that OP. Gamefreak lost the plot long ago. They don't even trust the players to have fun anymore.
Best you can do is play the 2D games.

>>59096022
Do you have the video that guy posted about a waifu in a car crash?

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>>59096028
I have no idea what you mean so probably not

>>59096039
Found it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kyjoChLjNe0
I remember seeing him post it on twitter lol

>>59096022
close enough so based enough

>>59072170
the most iconic vidya characters are either adults or teens

>>59073885
>>59073888
Playing as a girl in FRLG changes it Wizard of Oz, doesn't it?

>>59097884
that's gay if it's true, but not as gay as playing as a girl

>>59089423
Even Gen 3, the one time the player famously DOES have a present father who isn't written off as "perpetually at work" (because his work is being a Gym Leader), finds a way to answer the father question and directly ties it into the player character's coming of age, at first you start out aimless beyond "go see the world" but then Norman gives you the immediate idea of "so my kid's becoming a real independent sort now, huh? go beat four of the gyms in Hoenn, then fight me to prove you're worth your weight."

>>59072170
nice and haunting

>>59072170
>bought Violet
No sympathy then, no matter how right you are

>>59072177
no, that way lies death

>>59082113
>ITS KALOS FAULT AGAIN!
No its your fault for being born and your fault pokemon was created and sucks now

>>59072170
Based as fuck, look how much threads like this made the usual ESL cry

>>59074866
Didn't really pay attention, it's just too ugly

>>59072170
it's funny as fuck to see a kid wearing a wifebeater

>>59073888
And the whole final sequence in Area Zero is pretty much a giant callback to Stand By Me, right down to finding a corpse of sorts at the end.

>>59072170
in the same way something as gay as west side story is supposed to be muh giant callback to shakespeareslop

Pokemon has always been for kids you maladjusted retards. Your favorite one does the exact same stuff your least favorite does. They all include some shit designs, they're all easy, and they've never had a good story.

>>59104752
It was for kids, not so much mentally deficient toddlers. If you can't see a difference between something like SV to RBY then it's terminal

>>59104907
There's no difference and you are incapable of explaining any that you think is there.

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>>59104917
I've made a number of essays about it on this board or /v/ over time. To save myself time I'll just tl;dr one element: your choices don't matter.
Planning your party is no longer a real element for a couple reasons. The removal of HMs is an obvious one, however controversial it became as they added more and more HMs and forced their usage, it did encourage accounting for travel in your journey. Even if HMs did still exist, you can now change your party out from the PC at any time from the menu, so you don't have to find yourself cornered at any point. This is exaggerated by the fact that pokemon movesets have gotten very stuffed overall, most pokemon have decent coverage options and rarely struggle to have good moves at any point, even further bolstered by unlimited TMs (although SV at least introduced TRs which are just traditional, farmable TMs that I can agree with) and the ability to change out your moveset again any time from the menu for free. At no point will you be particularly wanting for coverage.
And what if a tough battle comes along anyway? Good news! You don't have to consider how you spend your money either, because items litter the ground. You will have more pokeballs and potions than you'll ever use by simply walking around.
You don't even need to battle field trainers. They're all completely optional and useless at that. You'll get well enough exp by, again, just walking around, either through wild pokemon or the raid spots that give you a bunch of exp candy.
Although I understand the less autistic might not really care about the particulars of how the game actually plays.

>>59072170
Based as fuck, look how much the usual ESL keeps crying about this thread

>>59104907
Based ranking in that case

>>59072170
especially since how gay do you have to be to wear a fucking school uniform

>>59072170
The only things with "no difference" between them are sharty and the discord that brought those things here

>>59072170
Isn't that Masuda's self-insert?

>>59109458
>wifebeater
Do Americans really?

>>59084028
This. Just look at how certain schizos on vp respond to coomer threads and the typhlosion myth lol
>NOOOOOO IT'S A CHILDREN'S FRANCHISE GAME FREAK WOULD NEVER THINK LIKE PERVERTS!!!! AND IF THEY DID, IT'S AN INTERN'S FANFIC!!!!!!!

>>59072170
i felt this way when i first played sun/moon.
something about it felt much more childish than previous entries.

>>59072170
Thinking it's too kiddy for stuff like this is peak age 16-24

>>59094748
I agree with your first point, it's kind of ridiculous that the game has to spell out "go out and adventure" in dialogue text to everyone starting out when the whole appeal of an "open world Pokemon RPG" would be to go sightseeing and looking for pocket monsters anywhere you like on the map. In RBY, even if you're not into or knowledgeable about Pokemon or video games in general, your first instinct besides looking around Pallet is to look for ways to get out of town, because incredibly obviously there's something out there (the rest of the game, even). People don't need to be told to do this.
But when it comes to your second point, I think the less time everyone spends thinking about the Team Star plotline, the better. It's just embarrassing to even try to extract anything intelligent from it. It defiles you to interact with it, it's an infohazard.

>>59105000
>Planning your party is no longer a real element for a couple reasons.
It never was. You can just focus on your starter exclusively and you'll wind up shitstomping everything due to being overleveled. The rest of your party slots are either HM dumps or dedicated meatshields so you can drown your starter in healing.

>>59086237
You don't have to return to the school, you fuck off for most of the game and only come back a few times for major story events.

>>59087017
School is an escapist fantasy in Japan.

>>59072170
these niggers forget kids would rather act and emulate adults. I remember when I was a kid absolutely no one found this kiddy bullshit endearing. it's honestly embarrassing and insulting to the intelligence of actual children

>>59073885
why do they walk on the tracks and not besode the tracks?
Ive seen so many videos of indiana getting run over that's the first thing I noticed
Also im to young to have seen the movie what's it about

>>59160764
how deaf do you have to be to not hear a fucking train scraping 'long the iron?

>>59072170
Sorry you were abused as a child but this really isn't the place for this.

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Why are there so many threads on /vp/ that just get bumped from page 10 constantly?

>>59086289
They probably could've tried making the school at least somewhat cool
They put in so many damn classes that were meant to be tutorials for the game and I guarantee you every kid left the school after the intro and never looked back cause it was lame as hell to just sit in a classroom right after they must've come home from school

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I started with Pokemon Colosseum and loved it.
Playing the mainline games later was such a disappointment. I'm just glad I never managed to get Gale of Darkness. The MC of that game would've been soul-crushing to go from playing as a badass adult ex-criminal to just some kid

>>59171139
Wes seems more like an older teen
The gen 5/6 and ZA protags also reasonably look older teen, I feel like it's mostly the LGPE and SV protags that look like doofy fucking children. LGPE's on purpose though since it's the baby game.

>>59114289
Starting with Gen 7 it's not been about your "journey" anymore. Everything has been under strict adult supervision. Always under someone's permission. Always under a carefully curated experience made by someone.
It's not an adventure anymore, it's a guided tour. Gen 8? You need permission to even enter the gym circuit. Something that literally anyone and everyone can freely do in the rest of the world. Whenever something happens you are told to be on your way and that the adults will handle it off-screen. Gen 9? A literal school trip. ZA? Locked down to a single city where you're Team MZ's bitch.
Even Legends, set on the oh so dangerous path, you're a wageslave under someone's orders and they can even exile you from the village and you take it like a bitch despite your super isekai futureman knowledge which makes you the only person capable of handling the magical murderbeasts everyone's scared shitless of.

There's no freedom in Pokemon anymore. The player character has no agency anymore.

>>59072170
Must be because pajeet tried to push the thread off the board again

>>59073885
>I better go too.
pure unmatched kino

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>>59072170
To be 100 percent honest with you it started with the Fairy typing. Pokemon has hard pivoted to appeal to women and the effemenate cretins ever since the introduction of this type, it signaled a major shift in philosophy that went away from everything that made it what it was - them also being the hard counter to the Dragon type, a type that entered the franchise as the pinnacle of Pokemon and pokemania only solidified this. The only sensible answer ITT is>>59089423 because Pokemon at its core was meant for adventure seeking coming of age boys during the Latchkey Era, and the times and circumstances arent around to evoke that same feeling again. They stopped catering to kids who liked cool shit and as a result we get responses like >>59086235 as terrible options for boys who want to look cool and a Dragon/Grass Pokemon thats a fucking Apple. A FUCKING APPLE. All of the choices they have made with the games are choices made to appeal to a demographic that will never play these games, women who buy merchandise because they saw the anime as children - my wifes favorite pokemon is snorlax and owns a pillow plushie she sleeps with every night and she has never touched a pokemon game but she used to watch the cartoon when she was little and knows mostly all the OG151. Same with my older cousin, who loves eevee and the evos and all that jazz but couldnt tell you where Viridian City was on a Kanto Map. They know they dont even need to sell games anymore because the MERCHANDISE makes TPC so much money they could shut gamefreak down right now and not lose sleep for the next decade as long as they still have people willing to fork over for Merch due to nostalgia and brand recognition.


They should Remove the Fairy type or rename it to something more masculine. They will never remove the typing due to sheer hubris but it should be gutted to the ground in any future installment that wants to take itself seriously with the demographic that put them where they are at.

>>59105000
>You don't even need to battle field trainers. They're all completely optional and useless at that
funny you say that, they're exactly the opposite now. NPC trainers went from obstacles with better AI to hide and seek pinatas you have to beat for the "beat all trainers on this route" reward

>>59178316
If merchandise was all they needed they could at least delete the shitty new slop and everyone they ever outsourced to

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>>59179200
>The Pokémon Company International has ranked 7th in terms of Global Licensors as of 2025, According to a report, The Pokémon Company raised a staggering $12 billion related to retail sales of licensed products in 2024. This figure represents an increase of $1.2 billion compared to what was generated in 2023. This means that it is NOT taking into account other revenue streams such as video games, whether on traditional consoles, mobile, or the Trading Card Game itself.

they just put the games out now due to brand synergy and a placement for new ideas and gimmicks to put into the other media.

>As of today, Pokémon is the #1 most profitable media franchise in the world, having generated over $100 billion — much of it through licensed merchandise.

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doesn't solve all the problems but it's a start