>>59169870
Wonderous Patch. Mind you, it isn't a good solution, but it's A solution.

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>That who starts scrapping the gamer gunk off his sleeves in the middle of a match

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3rd for a spiky!

>>59169970
At that point I'd rather have lillie's clefairy tbqh. We really need another alakazam ASAP

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I initially wrote this card off but after using the zygarde ex deck to complete my dailies I've been converted. This card is really fun and I'll be looking out for more fighting attackers to use with in future sets. At least until they print another broken gardevoir card.

Playing Festival Lead for the first time and I'm giggling uncontrollably.

>>59170392
>Reddit: the deck

I might be retarded. I spent like $40 while drunk over the weekend on key cards on live. I've gotten about a third of the roughly 2k codes loaded in and I've already got more than enough of the currency to build and maintain more than a dozen decks through rotation.

Mostly I'm tired of copying+pasting codes. Tapu Meganium is fun though.

>>59170456
Can't you scan codes on mobile? Granted, that means downloading Live to your phone

>>59170487
>2026 and they won't let us just list submit codes
When will this company do anything right?

>>59170487
I can, yes. But so far I've received them all in a list of codes format. Which beats the pictures of 20+ at once I got one time for another game, but is still not suuuuper convenient.

The ones that physically get mailed to me, I'll just scan in via qr code. Only 10 at a time is annoying but whatever, now I can play during downtime at work.

I'm seeing one piece drama on twitter now, and of course it's an Italian. I know YGO has the Italian shark and cheater problem too, but I don't really recall any sharking or cheating problems in this game. I wonder why.

>>59170702
People who play other TCGs don't consider Pokemon a real TCG.

>>59170706
Which is funny because ptcg prize money absolutely mogs the shit out of any other game.

>>59170702
my experience is limited with other tcgs so I can't say exactly why. I guess the main problem pokemon has is slow playing instead of sharks

Please... Good Mega Starmie lists... I don't like using Carmine and I get shitty hands constantly...

I found my new favorite vtuber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6JKfX2tv3g

>>59170702
Italians cheat at literally fucking everything.

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I love Dragapult. Love it. Can't get enough. Love me some Pult. Take four prizes in one turn and then Boss my cat or my bird and there's nothing I can do about it. Feels good.

>have a Mega Froslass/Starmie deck with a Drakloak draw engine just for funsies
>have noticed that if I put Dreepy on the board early the opponent will almost always sperg out and use resources to take it out
>I set up my Froslass and grin menacingly
Really that easy bros

>>59171048
Please share?

>>59171048
If your opponent sees a Snorunt or Staryu and still targets the Dreepy, you're just playing against retards.

as someone who does not play the game:
it seems slow-paced to only be able to play one energy card per turn
are you meant to spend turns setting up before the more intense combat begins, or are the non-fully-evolved basic mons supposed to do lighter damage before things ramp up
or both

>>59171079
energy can be cheated out faster with abilities and supporters

>>59171079
Pretty much every relevant deck bypasses one attach per turn by either relying on an attacker that only needs two energy at most or running energy acceleration (supporters, abilities, sometimes items).

>>59171078
I usually only play one at a time to not immediately give away my deck

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>>59171079
Most decks are able to attack by turn 2 or 3.

Hang all Fagapult players.

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>>59170784
Here is mine. It's pretty normal. I dont like to use Carmine in decks that don't use the discard pile.

>>59171411
Honestly? Not the worst meta.

>>59171411
I'm still clinging to Lucario, I think it has a lot going for it even with the Psychic weakness. You can run away with a lot of games because of Solrock, and even Alakazam is winnable because you only need to make a Lucario at the end to finish them off.

>>59171498
dont you autowin with the special fighting energy?

>>59171766
NTA but most Zam decks include an enhanced hammer or two. With the Lunatone engine and Lucario's acceleration you don't want to be replacing all of your basic energy with special energy either.
You are right in that Rocky Fighting gives Alakazam a headache but it's far from an autowin.

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It's unreasonably satisfying to catch a Zam player cutting their Hammers.

>>59171908
Excuse me can you please not post this right after me and make me look like a liar?

>>59171948
Sorry, anon. I'd been trying to post it four hours ago, but posting went down.

>>59170286
Even a single energy acceleration is huge nowadays, as lots of megas and EXs only need two to attack. And with things like this you dont need to commit energy early and risk getting your basic with energy on it sniped.

>>59170706
Sauce: voices in my head
>>59171130
So you're only attacking on your 3rd turn onwards? That sounds retarded.

>>59172037
>Froslass
>attacking

>>59172037
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTeo6KiwjGM
Schizo

>>59172113
Yes, mega froslass? Even if its just regular froslass you'd want it evolved ASAP, no reason to wait until turn 3 to start putting damage counters on the board.
>>59172170
>YGO
Opinion discarded. Also it makes no sense at all that one of the biggest TCGs ever "isnt a TCG".

>>59172305
It makes no sense that ever TCG player I talk to has played YGO in the past, likes, YGO, and refuses to play current YGO because of how awful both the community and game are.

>>59172363
It makes so much sense that even Konami had to make an anti-bad smelling rule for their tournaments.
If you dont shower you get a DQ, thats how bad YGO community is.

Is there anything OlivePon can do to improve the Dragapult matchups? It seems favorable into everything else. The baby Moltres can just win them the match on its own.

real fucking tired of seeing lucario niggers

>>59172749

I'm not
t. garCHAD

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>>59172749
>Scared of Lucario matchup
>Only has two good matchups
>Basically only played because it plays well into PultNoir.

Pult player takes like a minute for each Drakloak choice, does a lot of shit when he is about to lose.
Finally makes a smart move and uses Unfair Stamp and takes 4 prizes.
I use Hariyama to bring their Meowth to the front to take my last 2 prizes and he concede just before I attack.
Is this just a thing with Live players or is just Pult players who are like little babies without an ounce of respect for their opponent's time?
PS: I was using the fox because Live has some mission thingy and wanted me to use Fighting pokemon.

>>59172945
Mewtwo, M's G, or Mega Starmie? Which should I play?

Been playing Zam but it's super feast or famine.

>>59172945
ngl this image looks like bullshit just from the Pult/Pult-Noir match-ups because how is it BDIF by far when almost everything is 50/50

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>>59173212
Dragapult/Dusknoir is the worst version by far now. It doesn't beat anything. Its only "positive" match is only 51% because Alakazam's board is full of 50-80 HP mons at any given point.

>>59173023
Mewtwo is fun, but bricks way too much and you also barely use Mewtwo despite the name of the deck.

It genuinely pisses me off that pult didn't get rotated out desu.
Been a problem for years and they have yet to make a deck to counter it because it will be as bullshit at pult is now.

>>59173644
They'll have to make a fat 170 HP one prizer, to put it out of range of Dusknoir + Munki, with an ability that straight up says "damage counters cannot be placed by effects of attacks" so Dragapult has to commit to gusting it.

>>59173661
The problem is, dusknoir isn't the top dog. It's blaziken/pult. Any energy issues pult had is solved with blaziken.
They can just cycle pults, it doesn't matter two blazikens take the energy from the GY and back unto a pult again. And it's a two prizer. PTC fucked up by not making blazikens ability exclusive to fire energy.


Honestly it might be bearable if they make something that negates terra passive. The terra passive was a stupid fucking design and giving a pokemon the ability to cleave the bench, while being immune to it, itself is stupid. Or lower the HP of pult. 320 is fucking stupid. Megas have almost the same amount of HP and they are 3 prizes, with no immunity from bench cleave, and almost the same amount of damage and the only meta deck that does damage counters outside of pult is alakzam which can't hit the bench anyways.
But also it just deals too much damage for only two energy with no drawbacks. It's just fundamentally too strong.

>>59171371
How good is it?

>>59173724
It got me to master league in Live, it's alright. Going Salvatore into Mega Starmie is often too much to deal with. It did okay against Dragapult and Lucario. Replace one Meowth with something like Dipiti or a Budew, I keep forgetting to remove one.

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>>59171031
Seems like you had a turn between those plays. The dragachad gave you a chance and you threw it away.

>>59172945
Pult winrate against Rocket Spidops looks too low.

>>59174678
All of these sample sizes are hilariously small.

Popping 100 pass rewards at once feels good.

>>59172958
Taking a while to use Unfair Stamp is reasonable since they need to make the most of their other cards in hand first.

>>59172958
It seems like you played a content creator. Yapping for 10 minutes each turn and quit when they see they cant use the match in their videos/clips.

>>59172958
It seems like you played a content creator. Yapping for 10 minutes each turn and quit when they see they cant use the match in their videos/clips.

>>59174980
>content creator
Anyone I've watched lets the turn timer pop up before they make a move every time.

Andrew Mahone

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kekd
why is it called that anyway? is it just because it's a jankbox of random basics?

>>59175244
Azul's zoomerisms that get forced by the retards who watch him.

>>59175244
Does the writer expand on why we shouldn't call it Slop Box or is it just engagement bait?

>>59175282
No, and pokebeach articles like this are paylocked.

>>59175267
"Slop" as internet slang originated in 4chan, tho.
>>59175244
It has no identity on its own, it's just a bunch good value ex basics slapped together, depending on your matchup you will change attackers. In magic terms it would be called goodstuff.

>>59175267
"Slop" as internet slang originated in 4chan, tho.
>>59175244
It has no identity on its own, it's just a bunch of good value ex basics slapped together, depending on your matchup you might choose a different attacker to dump your energy on. In magic terms it would be called goodstuff.

>>59175244
It's called slop because it's slop.
We're on the site that coined the term you fucking retard.

>>59175376
>>59175244
I prefer the name "Fat Kids"

>>59175579
Ogerpon is not fat, neither is meowth.

>>59175594
>big bodied basics
Cmon it's pretty easy connection. Are you autistic?

Andrew Mahone

>>59175598
I wouldn't call 170 hp big bodied but ok. How do you explain "kids" then? Only meowth and ogerpon are kidcoded.

>>59175615
Go back to your finger paints, autismo.

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>>59175615
>basics = kids
>bigger than most basics = fat (for basics/kids)

>>59175628
That sounds way more autistic than just calling it "slopbox".

>>59175635
>play on words
>more autistic than fad slang + "box"
Slop trough would be a better name.

I miss virgen

>>59175643
There you go with your autistic suggestions.

>>59172749
people aren't playing lucario because it's a good deck
they're playing it because their dailies keep insisting they play fighting energy, fighting types and/or mega evolutions

>>59175783
Then why not Garchomp, anon?

>>59172749
>Rocket Mewtwo deck, barely use Mewtwo.
>Mega Clefable deck, barely use Mega Clefable.
Another stupid deck like this, in which the pokemon that was used to name the deck is not used?

I love Alakazam

>>59176116
>>Mega Clefable deck
This isn't a thing.

>getting to 1800 elo with Garchomp after beating festival lead and grass box back to back

fuck your forced .500 I'm taking this airplane dragon to 2000

>>59176116
Whenever I was trying Mega Clefable I just ended up wishing I was playing more Lillie's Clefairy instead.

>>59176373
That deck uses baby Clefable more than the Mega.
Metronome is quite strong against many meta decks while Mega Clefable is only used against fringe cases like N's Zoroark.

I hate all of these pro players and content creators shilling their metafy guides. It comes across like they're pulling their dicks out of their mouths and saying "Here, you have a suck. It's so good you'll pay me for it."

>>59176724

u have cock on the brain huh sissy

does anyone here play duel masters (not master duel)? I don't know where a duel masters thread would be but I don't know when this card (QQQX) is rotating and I want to play it on the client

>>59176741
As far as I can tell, >>>/tg/97866898 would be what you want. Doesn't look like there's much discussion for DM though. Checked 4plebs and the last thread I saw exclusively for it was over a year ago.

>>59176944
>>59176741
/acg/ is the DM thread yeah, and we're pretty willing to talk about it, it's just hard to play it. Surely that will change when anon finishes his simulator.

>>59177399
There's a translation patch for the online client Duel Master Plays or whatever, which is why I was asking.

>>59177422
You could bring it up there. I think some people do play it, and it might garner interest regardless.
>>59176944
>Doesn't look like there's much discussion for DM though. Checked 4plebs
There's actually a fair bit about it; it's brought up a couple of times minimum each thread. The problem is that within /acg/ everyone just shortens it to DM, which you might imagine makes searching the archives for it a pain given all the other posts on /tg/ talking about a different kind of DM.

Pokemon /tcg/: Trading Card Game General

>>59177469
cuck

>>59177469
Yes, we need 30 more posts bitching about dragapult cause it wasn't enough to bitch about it for over several years at this point.
Great content.

>>59177864
Doesn't matter. You may as well start talking about tennis in this thread. What's the difference?

>>59177893
Difference is TCG players play several TCGs.
It's like having a shitfit at a local card shop when someone starts talking about another TCG that's not pokemon at a pokemon event.
As long as the thread doesn't derail for 30+ posts, you shouldn't be shitting yourself in anger that someone needed guidance in finding a general for another TCG because this thread is dead as fuck outside of bitching about this fucking game.
This was obvious overlap and overreacting kneejerking by saying tennis is a equivalent to asking where to find a general about another TCG is retarded just like you.

>Good streak going
>Paired into Zach Lesage
>Got my ass handed to me
Shit happens, ah well lol.

>>59173692
>anon refers to hitting multiple targets cleave
dotards?? our response?

>>59178653
Sorry bruddah, I'm a warcraft 3 chad.

>>59178653
Hopefully more DotA vs Dota.

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What do we think about strixhaven so far? I think these cards with powerful spells are just bait to garner interest while being mediocre at best.

>>59178675
Throne of Eldraine was a disaster and then everything that followed it

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>>59178675
Magic has been beyond redemption since shortly prior to covid. Harry Potter at home doesn't change that.

>>59170827
OUR new favorite vtuber

>>59178780
it's not entirely since they know the setting can't stand on its own legs anymore after All Will Be One fucked it all up, but that plays a part
in terms of mtg just being crazy collab chaos 24/7

>>59170827
Buy an ad tranny

>>59179006
Make us

>>59170827
What CCs do you guys watch for PTCG content/info/learning? Azul is obnoxious and ldf/ftw are alright but just do rogue decks. Can't think of anyone else who consistently uploads or streams PTCG content.
The PTCG community is so damn small compare to other TCGs despite it being bigger in events I don't get it. Even here this general is dead af while the yugioh generals are fast

>>59179420
I don't know an answer to this question, especially the question about YGO. Everyone knows of, but nobody plays YGO here. Same goes with Pokemon. The only Pokemon stuff that really goes on here are card shows and the TCG that's by far the most popular is MTG. This thread comes up weekly in the general too.

>>59179420
Point of entry is non existent for pokemon. That's the problem. TPC doesn't give a shit because they are making money hand over fist regardless. They don't give a fuck if it's collectors or players buying their shit. Frankly, they have seen more sales from the collectors than the players probbably do.
Pre faggot paul, pokemon TCG sets weren't selling out and staying off shelves.

Like I detailed my process getting back into the TCG and it's been genuinely awful. You're going out begging strangers to bring their playables on events you want to be in, and they don't have them so you're waiting another week and hoping you have enough if you don't buy it online and waiting 2+ weeks to get them. TCG player has predator vendors who will try to sneak a 20 dollar shipping charge on a $1.20 sale.

There are no available cards. The meta is literally dragapult and that's it, you can play other shit for variety, but if you net deck, which most people do, it's dragapult or accept you will probably lose to the netdecker with no shame and will dragapult.
The only thing that makes it palatable is the concept the pult might brick and you can beat it based on that alone and that's it.

You might see more life if this was in /tg/ instead of it's own dead fucking board dedicated to 12 autists who want to post softcore porn of pokegirls all day.

Doesn't help the TCGL app is designed like dogshit. Redeeming codes isn't fun, it's a genuine chore, its bugged, and never works properly, and the ranking system was made for fucking children where all you need to do is waste enough time to hit master, it's not a show of skill to be a master, it's just how much time if you're shit you're willing to put in.

But YGO is filled with the greasiest motherfuckers alive. The type you know aren't allowed to be around kids. So that might be the distinction. My locals are active enough desu.

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>>59179703
My local Target a few days ago.
You can get everything you need as long as you're patient.
Also you have said multiple times that you are in Massachusetts (or at least New England). I am not telling you where my store is. If you live NWB you should ask around. Our LGS is Fridays and we have a Challenge next week. That is all I am going to say.
>t. Bellibolt/Olive fag.

>>59179714
Also, I am posting this with a ~25% chance I know who you are. I am not going to bring up local drama, but if you are who I think you are, you need to chill tf out and just come tomorrow. You know how to ask for bulk from us and will have a good time.

>>59179420
Just play nigga. Watching isn't going to give you shit. If you have the necessary skill, you'll get there from practice. If not, watching some faggot won't help.

>>59179744
Can you post a video of his basedrage when you tell him someone else bought the last card just before he came in

>>59179777
There was someone who came into our store's discord last week looking f or Pokemon cards and went on a fucking tear because the store wasn't open due to the owner's kid being sick. The thing is that we don't even do Pokemon on the night he was trying to come in. Everyone was very confused and we tried to help the guy out.

>>59179703
>>59179766
I mean it's not just about watching to learn, but and/also entertainment. Like a lot of the rogue decks I see them play I've never seen before

>>59179714
I'm all set. I got what I needed, it was just a monumental pain in the ass to get. I've been playing in locals for the past few weeks already.

Also no 100% we have not met. I'm in Rhode Island and I've stayed in state for my whole experience.
I am just speaking personally and objectively as a point of entry. It's lowkey a pain in the ass and I can see casuals getting deterred if they are looking to drop into a store, getting the basics and trying out a cheap deck to see if they like the game.
Plus the places I frequent and go to, they know me because I've been doing TCG games for like 15 years now on and off - the owners know me outside of perhaps one place. I'm not about to burn bridges over the availability of pokemon cards. That's insane. I'm just autistic and socializing with people I never met is difficult which is why I dislike asking strangers for playables. I always come off as an autistic spaz and I hate it.

>>59179787
And no, I can 100% garauntee this was not me. I might seem like an angry sperg here, but I'd never behave that way IRL. This is my dogshit method of venting my frustrations and then I move on and act normal in real life.

>>59179827
I guess my schizo rant will just show you that you aren't the only one going through this. If you're going to Flippin City Card Show in Boston in a couple of weeks I'll be there and having a good time.

>>59179838
I might go. It really depends on my cash situation. 70 buy in is steep just because we got pre-release happening the same month so I'm budgeting my broke ass for those as well.
I'm an absolute sucker for sealed events, so pre-release is my bread and butter.

You planning on participating in the tourney or just vibin for casual games and trades?

>>59179879
Already pre-paid the $70 for the tournament. I'm trying to get one of my other friends to go because he's always talking about how locals is just play testing.

>>59179838
$70 entry for a convention center event with total prize pool of $5k is pretty weak desu. They're going to walk away with a lot of profit off the event.

>>59179886
Bro, not the chuuni tourney player. I would do the same and egg them on to join the tourney.
I wish you luck though, if something changes and I get good OT or some shit I'll drop something to say I'm going. But I'm not banking on it ATM.

>>59179912
Never seen an event try to just go even or for a loss. But also in my mind, I get the understanding the hall will prob be 10% for TCG player base and trading and 90% for vendor space and other event activities. Idk how prolific or how big of a turn out smaller events like these take for players.

>>59179886
what deck are you playing to NAIC?

>>59179812
>Go to YT
>Search for the deck you want to learn about
>?????
>Profit

>>59179827
>I am just speaking personally and objectively as a point of entry. It's lowkey a pain in the ass and I can see casuals getting deterred if they are looking to drop into a store, getting the basics and trying out a cheap deck to see if they like the game.
NTA
I dont think you can just drop at a random LGS and get everything you need if you are brand new, for any TCG.
Precons usually suck (if they dont they'd might be sold out), meta card singles will be sold out, other players will not have loads of commons laying around when they go play weeklies if you didnt ask anyone previously.
That is if you even drop by on the weekly tourney day and time, showing up randomly would not work at all.

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>>59180337
If you've ever tried searching on youtube in the past 5 years you know it doesn't do that anymore. It gives you 3-9 results then absolutely off topic shit afterwards

>>59180352
Ive been doing exactly what I said and I always find like ten 30mins+ footage of pokemon live for the deck at the top.
To not mess with my personal watch history I open a private tab, have AD block extension and thats it.

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>>59180359
Forgot pic

Mega Darkrai reveal where

>>59180537
>200 dmg for 3 energy
>gym promo so no SIR
CREATURES HATES ME PERSONALLY

>>59180587
For what it's worth, the first attack might be playable. It's basically a cheaper, better (9 vs 7) Tera Tatsugiri on a stage 2 mega. You could even afford to throw in the single prize Delphox for a draw engine since you're already running fire and scoop up this or some shit once you get the value and it takes a hit in return. Seriously doubt it would be meta, but it's enough to play with.

>>59180537
>Look at the top 9 cards and bench any mon you find

>200 burn and confuse

ok I guess

>>59180537
What if we went back to the era where abilities were disabled on pokemon if they were affected by a status?
I see they keep trying to add shit like confusion, burn, poison back into the game. Idk if paralysis or sleep are still in this game at all.
But that would be pretty sick.

>>59180537
And just like that the decent Delphox with the great ability and usable attack will never have a home. Good work, TPCi! Dragapult hitting 40% soon!

>>59180403
They'd better make it crazy busted because it's going to be weak to either Grass or Fighting and get run over by Ogerpon and Lucario.

>>59180835
I didn't expect much since we have Mega Gengar to reduce Dark Mega to a normal ex.

>>59180835
On the one hand they always make Darkrai meta.

On the other hand megas have been a huge failure because not a single one is above tier 2 and they're all held back by having instaloss matchups, and Darkrai will instaloss to Ogerpon decks while likely having no Pult techs beyond being able to maybe run Munki so who knows.

Ray is probably the best hope for a mega to be good since it'll either have no weakness or lightning weakness in a format with zero lightning.

Hey /tcg/ I've recently moved to Japan and I think pokemon tcg would be a nice way to meet nerds like me (I'm not built for tachinomi convos)..
Can you please recommend me a fun beginner deck for a retard casual like me?
Also, anyone here living in Fukuoka and has any local recommendations?

>>59180939
Every deck is a fun beginner deck in the PTCG. Go to Limitless and pick one you like. Filter through city league tournaments for JP only stuff since they have some cards we don't yet.

>>59180893
>Ray is probably the best hope for a mega to be good since it'll either have no weakness or lightning weakness in a format with zero lightning.
Oh god please.
Also Im praying for an useable mega scizor. dont even need to be top meta, but at least on par with say garchomp.

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ohno not the hype

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ow the edge

>special dark energy doesn't even stop dragapult
genuinely lol (laughing out loud)

>dark already has like a dozen good single prize attackers
>new Malamar might be good if mega malamar is playable
>Zarude is okay
>chi-yu is good

And then you have two megas that just say ‘lol ur knocked out bucko’. For all the bitching that people do about purple cards they should really dedicate a sliver of that seething for black cards as well.

>>59180020
Sure but if there's no player limit you could count on probably 200+ players at a convention in a large city. Make it $50 and you'd all but guarantee it. And breaking even still brings very likely customers into the venue who might not have otherwise shown up, which is worth quite a bit.

I mean none of it is a huge difference, just feels unnecessarily high.

>>59180939
a braindead deck would be mega lucario. but it's been heavily teched against so expect some annoying matches

>>59181637
>heavily teched against
Playing 1x Lillie's Clefairy, 1x Crispin, 1x Psychic isn't "teching against".

>>59181080
>Night Ray: 110. Add 110 damage if one of your benched pokémon has damage counters.
>Abyss Ray: If your opponent pok+emon has a special condition, knock it out.
Poison/Burn deck?
The 280 and grass weakness hurts this a lot.
I guess it can one shot Grasspon with 2 energies as long as you play Risky Ruins or Froslass while using the 3 energy move to knock out big targets, but the 280 hp makes it easy target.

>>59181672
Problem is, what are you even using this in? I don't think a worse Roaring Moon is worth making a deck around considering that had an entire archetype of support to work with

Arboliva bros, every deck is playing Shaymin now, what do?

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>>59181692
It's getting worse

>>59181692
Lose. Shaymin makes this deck trash and there's no outs to it at the moment sadly.

How do I figure out the price of a JP competitive deck? What website should I use?

>>59181692
Hope that you have more Boss than they have Night Stretcher

>>59181687
Is not only a worse Moon, in the current format, is direct competition against Mega Sharpedo because both will use the same energy engine.
Mega Sharpedo needs to be poisoned (Fez), equipping Mochi and damaged (Tox) to hit 310, but without it, it will still hit 270.
Mega Darkrai will hit 220 with Risky Ruins, Tox (stupid idea since it needs Tox too) or Froslass while needing some of the status abilities from the bench to Ko using 3 energies. Is almost a complete downgrade from Mega Sharpedo, it's only upside is that it can KO higher hp enemies and is a basic, but a basic that needs 3 energies to KO something higher than 220 hp is not better than a Stage 1 that needs 2 energies to hit 270 or 310 with more setup. It doesn't help that as a Stage 1 mega, the shark has 330 hp while ray only has 280 hp.
I guess it can be used as a tool against the big targets that Mega Sharpedo can't deal against, but that's a big if.

>>59181705
Shaymin?
This is a Shaymin for rule box dark mons.

>>59181646
one of the reasons why clefairy is being played in random decks is because of lucario

>>59180537
You can potentially bench stage 2 pokémons without needing their evolution, but you know, this one is a stage 2 too.
The way I can think of using this, is by abusing the tera stadium to remove it from play after benching the stage 2 I want to use, but I may as well build that stage 2 from the start instead of relying on this stupid fox.

>>59181748
A reason why Lucario isn't played is it's countered by a big basic Psychic. If it wasn't Clefairy you'd probably see people using Mega Floette post-CRI.

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>>59181753
Also choice in Psychic support attacker in the current meta is really shit

>>59181759
Baby Clefable is decent. Needs 2 energy to copy the opponent so it can one shot many things for cheap, especially since that deck can use Lillie's Clefairy to deal against dragons (Pult).
The things it can't deal against can be left to Mega Clefable.
The deck is not that good, but is the hardest Psychic attacker besides zam which attack is an effect so it can't use weakness.

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>>59181672
>Poison/Burn deck?
nah

>>59181815
So useless against N's Zoroark, Mega Absol, Mega Sharpedo and mirror matches unless you tech a poison or burn ability.

>>59181822
eh
no deck has a 100% win rate

>>59181822
Why would it be useless against those decks

>>59181815
Status conditions get hard countered by the fact that any meta relevant Pokemon has a retreat cost of 1 or 2.

>>59181823
But those decks makes the risk worth taking it while Mega Darkrai looks like shit.
>>59181829
Dark Bell only works against non dark pokémon.

>>59181843
Oh true. My fault.

>>59181830
..you use the bell and then immediately kill it bro

>>59181849
Oh Darkrai.
3 Dark cost is steep. Not really any different than Mega Absol.

>>59178808
>Reality Fracture
>Jace gigaretard spell misfires
>Destroys the multiverse
>We only get UB sets exclusively forever
T-thanks.

>>59181672
>as long as you play Risky Ruins
Doesn't effect Dark

>>59181646
I'm pretty sure that's literally "teching against".

>>59181899
You won't only have dark pokémons in that deck since none of them can give status conditions with an ability.
If using Dark Bell, then using Froslass is better.
If not using Dark Bell, then Risky Ruins should be a good alternative.
It won't be a good deck anyways.

>>59181080
grass weakness is a death sentence in this meta
you have to work so hard with this to get any value out of it and i just don't see it happening

>make set
>card the set is named after is trash
why

>>59181929
that happened constantly in the XY era because they didn't seem to realise in playtesting
>pokemon requires you to skip an attack to play it
>only has one attribute
>that attribute is [absurd overkill] for 5 energy with a drawback
is not useful

>>59181945
XY was great because of how many big basics there were (EX). It's very similar to how things are now with the Pons, Fez, and Meowth.

>>59181966
yeah it was funny to see them be like
>watch out here come new cards to make the mighty pokemon-ex tremble in fear!
>it's just bigger, clumsy, more shitty pokemon-ex
>9 out of 10 players are just playing the exact same yveltal-ex list for 6 months afterwards

>>59181672
>Risky Ruins or Froslass
Chi-yu is too good to not be using the toxtricity engine.

>>59181822
>N's Zoroark
Mochi+munkidori will still let it hit for 280 if you get lucky and set up a perfect board
>toxtricity extra damage onto the bench
>poison your own darkrai with pecharunt-ex
>move 20 off the active to their zoroark
>swing for 260

>>59182031
To much work to just hit 260 with Darkrai. Sure, it's a single energy but the amount of work needed plus being a 3 prizer with 280 hp doesn't make it attractive to use.

>>59182382 (ME)
Correction, it needs 2 energies to hit that.
Darkrai has hard matchup against all the grass decks, Rocket Mewtwo/Spidops deck (Articuno), other dark decks and rogue decks that has cards immune to abilities like Mega Clefairy.
I really can't see Mega Darkrai thriving in the current meta, at most I can see it as a tech added in the shark deck.

>Mega darkrai looks mid
>Dark support doesn't seem great
8 months of dragapult..

>>59180537
Surely there's going to be a card in the future that synergizes well with this right?

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>>59181815
ConkeldurrCHADS
Is it time? We will be FUARKING UNSTOPPABLE

>>59182560
>Flips tails trying to attack

>>59182594
AAAIIIIIEEEEE
-ACK

>>59182560
>Portal out 4 Conks with Mega delphox
>dark bell
Yeah it's my one prize deck

>>59182670
>Yeah it's my one prize deck
>Includes 3 prizer

>>59182560
Does poisoning it with pech count?

Going to my locals tomorrow as Arboliva and I already know people are teching Shaymin, what do?
Should I go Garchomp? Stick with Arboliva? Go Slopbox?

>>59182694
Pech can only poison darkies.

>>59182700
Id you want to win just go slop.

>>59182706
I want to win and I enjoy Arboliva a lot but I'll get countered by Shaymin a lot

>>59182701
Fuck I forgot about that

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>>59181080
Might be interesting if we get more big basic mega benchsitters for him to counter.

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*dabs on mega darkrai*

>>59182780
applechads we just can't stop winning

>>59182754
yeah I know what her appeal is

>>59182840
But you don't win at all?

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Thoughts?

why should I play live and not pocket?

do whatever you want dude

poké tier guys :)

>>59182903
Poket is barely a game

>>59182903
Live allows you to practice for the real game.

>>59182560
Coin toss gambling chads.

>>59181672
toxtricity to accelerate and add damage to bench

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>>59181080
>>59181672
ngl it just looks like a worse mega absol. toxtricity can only get you so far and 3 energy is a lot when it's just gonna get ohko'd back the turn after.
it's going to have to be ohkoing 3 prizers but the meta is dragapult and 2 prizers so it will lose the prize race.

there's no bravery charm anymore to help basics tank a hit like old absol. unless it has some more additional support like floette got it's really bad. if it did have support i feel like they would've revealed the entire package like they did with floette+lumiose tower

>>59182988
I've stopped playing the real game long ago, it's weird being an adult playing with random kids

Both of us have 3 prizes remaining, opponent uses Pokémon Catcher (flipped head the lucky bastard) to put my Aromatisse to the active spot, Crispy and Energy Switch to charge Mega Absol, Unfair Stamp to only leave me 2 cards in my hand (Judge and Lillie's Clefairy) then attacks with Claw of Darkness, removing the Judge I got.
I decide to risk it all and put my Mega Clefable to the active.
Draw: Psychic card, immediately use it to hit 160.
Opponent does a lot of things and ends with using Claw of Darkness, discarding my Lillie Clefairy.
Draw: Psychic energy, I win the match.
Live algorithm was definitely fucking with my opponent. I had 35 cards in my deck and around 8 energies remaining in my deck.

I actually can't believe how fucking atrocious the sets have been for two years straight. Two poorly thought out gimmicks in a row (trainer's mons and 3 prizers without game breaking text). Trainer's mons suck because they're limited to their isolated support systems like Grimmsnarl while megas suck because all 3 prizers are shit unless they have meta-defining text.

The good tag teams ruled because they had unfair attacks that were superior to everything else int he format for years AND none of their weaknesses were ever relevant. PikaRom was the closest with some fighting techs and eventually Urshifu, but water (ReshiZard) and fairy (ADP) all sucked forever while psychic (MewMew) was weak to itself. This made the 3 prizes given up in one tech attack not matter for them. VMaxes that warped the format all had extreme consistency and tech options to get around instalosses. Urshifu faced three psychic decks and was still BDIF until Mew, which survived multiple blatant counters because of its engine.

The best mega is Lucario, who is just an efficient attacker who hits hard and has literally all manners of support. Mega Lucario doesn't warp the game when it attacks, it just hits hard. It instalosses to Lillie's Clefairy (and Slowbro in Japan). None of the megas have text on the level of ADP or Urshifu VMax. Mega Gren is a worse Pult. Mega Darkrai is a worse Roaring Moon. They each give up an extra prize. Neither will see play until the last good sets (Twilight Masquerade and Surging Sparks) rotate.

Fucking atrocious format. Just reprint VStars and save us.

>>59183185
Weird, in most places I have went to play kids are nonexistant.

>>59183285
So basically you're mad that there's no game breaking cards and there's a bunch of viable decks? Am I missing something or are you just retarded?

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I WALK A LONELY ROAD

>>59182903
Pocket doesn't even count as a game that you can interact with
You choose what cards are in your deck and that's about it
Everything once you click "play" is decided for you.

>>59183365
He's complaining that 3-prizers are just objectively awful design because they have to be absurdly broken for you to get any kind of value out of them, especially when many of them only have one attack.
Also that trainer's pokemon become outdated very quickly because they just stop getting direct support
It's why everyone hated Kamigawa block, not because it was just far weaker than Mirrodin block, but because the moment they stop spamming dozens of Spirits every set, all of the Spirit-dependant support gets increasingly worse.

>>59183395
This is Japan after the full next set?

Dragapult isn't actually that much better it just has the best across the board matchup, currently. Does it get anything new? Or are japs running new stuff and pushing Drag to the front? Also it's bo1 there, right?

At least the whole B tier seems pretty open...

>>59183365
>>59183461
This. Dragapult is unrivaled because we've gone now 6 sets plus a special set without a single tier 1 archetype introduced. Remember the Vstar year where each of the four sets introduced at least one tier 1 meta deck into the format? You don't even need to be on the level of broken Lugia or Lost Box, just print decks that do something efficiently.

>>59183487
Special Red Card allows Dragapult specifically to brick you after a few turns of Budew lock, turning every game you play against it into a coin toss whether you lose on the spot when they play it. They also play it twice a game. Every deck in Japan is forced to play Psyduck now because Budew > Budew > blow up Dusknoir > Special Red Card > boss Fez/Meowth/attacker beats every deck in the format cleanly. They fucked up royally printing that cancerous, luck-based shit card.

>>59183502
It's just boring at this point.
All you're playing against is the same Dragapult list that does the same thing every game and any time you're not against that, you're against something that you know is just worse than Dragapult.
Like any time you're against something else, the game just dropped the difficulty level because it felt bad for you or something.

>Want to play mega abomasnow EX
>know it's unfeasible because one prizers mean I'm millin 30 cards of my deck for 6 prizes.
>know the entire solution would be an stadium that allows the player to put energy cards discarded from thier deck back into their deck at the end of their turn as long as there are cards remaining in the deck
that would be too fun or interesting for TPC to make

I'm in Japan rn and was considering getting a deck since it's the most popular game here, but I was looking at meta decks and the environment seems quite stale. Are you having fun in the current meta?

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>>59183600
No, the only reason I even have the game installed is because a close friend avidly plays this and I feel it's more important to retain a shared interest and talking point, which I can't really do without any personal point of reference in terms of how the game is played.

>>59183600
I have fun when I don't face dragapult desu.
I play alakazam, which has several counters that make me lose by simply playing against the wrong deck.
(team rocket mewtwo, empoleon EX, lucario with rocky fighting energy) and I can just lose because mostly everyone runs unfair stamp and judges to fuck with my damage.

There are other decks that run more consistently than alakzam that can be fun, but yeah. Mostly it's just an issue of you have ONE op deck and the rest are fucking peasants who operate around the same power level.

>>59183663
>I have fun when I don't face Dragapult
>I play Alakazam
Stopped reading there

>>59183676
It's a fun deck, might be a bit strong, but to be blunt, there are decks that simply will just exisit and negate my existence period. Empoleon EX being a big one.
As bullshit it can be, it's not like it's constantly always successful in its bullshit.

>>59183705
Empoleon doesn't really exist though. Rocket does but only very few.

>>59183487
They have red card which makes dragapult far stronger than what we currently have. Currently our gap between dragapult and the others isn't that large until ninja spinner releases

>>59179420
>try to watch Azul
>someone asks what his opinion on a deck is
>I don't know, I don't have an opinion, I don't think about the game like that
It's a miracle this fucking retard can get out of bed when he can't decide on anything. Simple fucking question: between deck variant A and deck variant B, which do you think is stronger? "I don't know." THIS is why PTCG has no content creators—they don't want to give any information away for free in a game that actually has prize payouts. Useless fucking people.

>>59183487
theres also different pult builds being played at city leagues so the numbers are a bit inflated. pultblaziken, straight pult, noctowl pult, pultnoir and pult dundunsparce.

>>59183920
>pretends to be this 500IQ mastermind
>cannot provide a single straight answer
at least trustyourpilot will tell a bad joke

>>59183920
>Someone asks a question about the deck he's playing
>Just join the discord it's all on there
>bitch you're literally editing the deck in question live on stream answer the fucking question
That guy doesn't even do anything himself. Is the PTCG creator space so void of people that this NPC is the only option to pull the audience

Arbolivabros, I'm thinking of taking this list to my locals tomorrow, it has 1-2 Alakazam players and multiple Shaymin-Pult users but I think I'll just have to play around Shaymin
My other option is a Slopbox with Absol because I like Absol a lot but I've had 0 practice with it since rotation

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>>59184134
Forgot my pic

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>>59184139
This is another list I was considering for Absol and then there's one with waterpon

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>>59184146
This one
Let me know what you gamers think

>>59184106
I mean pokemon people in the vidya seem to be unbearable. So idk, are any of them enjoyable?

>>59184139
I wish you a shayminless run anon

>>59184134
if you played more games with arboliva then just play that over absol

>>59184230
I have! But considering Absol because I do like it
>>59184217
Thanks anon!

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>could have one shot Decidueye with Mega Frosslass
>Play Xerosic's Machinations and nerfs their own damage output
Master rank live everyone. Still lost because I prized 2 Rowlets though.

>>59184237
>I have! But considering Absol because I do like it
I suppose you can always crunch some time in with absol against decks you haven't fought before tomorrow. but I think typically for locals you just play a good deck you like and have the most experience with since trying to meta game a room full of mainly casuals doesn't improve your run much. maybe consider what the best player could be playing in case you play against them in the finals

>Went like 2-4 at locals today
>Really fucking tilted.
>Making decks on Live
>Losing every game on Live
>Somehow down to 1260
>No fucking idea what is going on
My birthday is Sunday. Someone help cure me of my mental illness. Give me a deck that will make me feel good again. I just want a deck that is aggressive and hyper consistent.

>>59184407
You gotta jerk off. Clear your mind with a good half an hour beat-off.

>>59184407
First time I saw someone with bellow 1400 in Live, 1500+ should be the usual point unless you are lowering on purporse to see fun decks.
If you just care about points, just copy a Pult deck.
In Live, a Crustle deck will also help a lot because you will only have trouble against Zam decks if you are bellow 1500 elo.

I just tried to make a troll deck, retreat locking basics, hoping to mill the opponent deck.

cool blog!