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>>59179456
hoenn's the second most popular; sinnoh's the second most popular in japan

>>59179456
Sinnoh perfected the feeling of mysticism Johto had by introducing god Pokemon. Johto never really took it anywhere. Makes more sense for Unown to show up in Sinnoh as well

>>59179456
Cynthia's futa cock

>>59179456
The DS gave Pokemon a second wind because it was a console that really everyone had. Everyone in my class was playing DP. Gen 4 being the first gen on the DS made it this big and formative for a generation.

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Peak region design
Filtered so many retards that Masuda had to make the next region a circle to please them.
We didn't know how good we had it back then.

>>59179456
Perfected the day/night cycle with unique themes and the region's lore was supplemented more than any other game.
Also was the last region where GF actually tried, Jap parents complaining about Mt. Coronet spooked them and resulted in nothing but linear regions after it.

>>59179462
Hoennfags are a dying breed, anytime a Pokemon-project gets to Hoenn it always marks the decline of said project

>>59179510
Sinnoh has nothing on Hoenn in terms of region design

>>59179668
Yeah bro I love going in a straight line the whole time and then pretending there's worthwhile shit if I go back to an old route like finding a Blue Shard or Jigglypuff with Surf

>>59179668
Sinnoh has just as much biome diversity as Hoenn if not more.
>b-but muh realism
Yeah living under a volcanic ash cloud or in a crater with one underwater exit is totally realistic

>>59179456
Piplup (for Japan)
Lucario
Cynthia
Dawn
lore
God

>>59179508
While I agree that it was a marginal second wind and my favourite generation, saying this as a Pokémania Millennial, DP only sold 1.5m copies more than RS, Platinum 600k over Emerald, and HGSS 700k over FRLG, And when you consider the amount of units sold of each console (GBA vs DS), the proportionality of Pokémon was also significantly less.

You are just letting your childhood nostalgia get in the way of obectivity. It was really not that much bigger for your generation, than RSE was for kids a few years older than you, or arguably even kids a few years younger than you, as BW sold 15.6m and XY sold 16.8m to DP's 17.6m.

And again, saying this as someone that was shitposting on this website 20 years ago, remembering one of the first ever 1000+ post stickies on /v/ with the DP friend code threads, or contributing towards the Gen IV Pokémon spam on /v/ that led to the creation of /tr/. It was more popular than Gen III, witthout a doubt, and a slight pick-up for the franchise with a similar jump in anime viewing figures too. But everyone in your class playing DP is not indicative of how popular Pokémon was, overall. It was still very much in the middle of a dip and no more generation defining than the generations before yours and after. And certainly even not close to generation defining as it was during Pokémania, or for kids now.

Sinnoh's popularity, IMO, is more in line with what >>59179501 and >>59179535
said. They really refined the storytelling formula by this point (and arguably for BW too), where they got the appropriate levels of mysticism with the creation legendaries, iconic characters, a very diverse region (especially comparedd to Hoenn) that made it a really good and memorable package. Dawn and Cynthia being absolute fuckbait also helped its popularity in otaku circles.

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You know why

>>59179763
glaceon's hime cut was the first time I wanted to fuck a four-legged poke. nothing since and nothing before

>>59179752
Really a core difference is sample size. Gen IV selling better than Gen III is because the DS in general sold better than the GBA. Nintendo had less to offer on the GBA than they did the DS too. No new Mario, the Zeldas were outsourced, Kirby only had two games on the GBA despite having several on the Gameboy and at least 4 on the DS and the only major Nintendo IP with major installments outside of Pokemon on the GBA was fucking Metroid of all things

Pokemon also just outright did not innovate much after Gen I and especially not much in Gen III or IV, which feel like they have half the innovations Gen II did split between two games. Rushing out games biyearly after GSC was kind of part of the reason the franchise stagnated, let alone the anime taking a massive dip in quality with Johto and also relatively stagnating during the entirety of Sinnoh. These were still numbers any other franchise would kill to have, but I think they were numbers from not rocking the boat instead of showing the franchise was growing in any way

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>>59179456
>Lucario
>Garchomp
>Gallade let billions of insecure boys be comfortable with thinking Ralts is cool and that led to the birth of thousands of Gardevoir troons
>Cynthia
>phys/special split meant all those random but cool shitmons like Sneasel, Gyarados and Yanma are actually good
>new Eeveelutions
>the anime was good, it was super serious skilled veteran Ash and Dawn was built up as having a crush, a precursor to XY's reception

>>59179855
Yet Minish Cap is the best handheld Zelda.

>>59179855
I'd agree with you there. By SInnoh, it felt like they'd gotten everything from GSC refined more than anything else. But as you said, it wasn't innovative. Rather, it was just packaging it up nicely. They were safe and it plays into Pokémon establishing itself as a stable, normally popular franchise, rather than the heights it had during Pokémania, which I'd argue have not been a thing until now.

>Really a core difference is sample size. Gen IV selling better than Gen III is because the DS in general sold better than the GBA.
Exactly, the DS family outsold the Advance family by 2x IIRC. And by the time DP came out, the DS was also pretty well established as a console, whereas RS had to be a console seller and was relatively early in its, arguably short, life cycle.

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>>59179462
you posted evidence to the contrary

>>59179654
proof x2?

>>59179508
>made it this big and formative for a generation
which generation?
because it was for both late millennials as well as early zoomers (two different generations), and zoomers by and large seem to prefer Gen 5

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>>59179510
>Peak region design

>>59179855
>the only major Nintendo IP with major installments outside of Pokemon on the GBA was fucking Metroid


Anon, youre full of shit.

>>59179678
the first gym you encounter cannot even be challenged, retarded zoomie

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>>59179897
everyone already liked Gardevoir zoomie
Gyarados was always good zoomie

>>59179456
>Why did Sinnoh became the second most popular region in Pokemon
Because Platinum is a better game than Kanto's and Johto's but not Emerald, and nugen design philosophy made every game afterward worse.

Sinnoh ups the stakes, introduces radical new designs, and awakened everyone to the serious viability of competitive Pokemon. It's so far superior to the first few gens but is still flawed in ways that put it below Gen III.

>>59180043
sinnoh does everything hoenn does but better

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>>59180110

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>>59180110
>>59180112

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>>59180110
>Shitmon caves
>Shitbon dungeon
>Pointless shitmon dungeon (Deep Sea Tooth is better for buffing Clamperl than actually evolving)
>Shitmon cave
>MUH REGIS
>Shitmon caves with a post-game Pseudo
>Shitmon caves
>Shitmon cave with a Legendary at the end
>Finally good Pokemon but attached to a tedious mechanic

Hate how you Hoenn niggers obsess over your dogshit "exploration" region when most of the rewards are legitimately uninteresting even in the context of when the game came out. It's a noticeable downgrade in world design given FRLG is on the same system. Hoenn's closer to Sevii Islands quality than Kanto

>>59180110
It's amazing how that image has zero good map designs or encounter tables on both sides, and you're including Hoenn there. That's "Free Space" for good map design how'd you find zero of them?

It was the last game set in Japan, so it probably feels nostalgic for Japanese players. It has popular Pokemon like Lucario, Garchomp and Staraptor who are still being used in current battle systems. Pokemon gods who are important to the lore. Cynthia had arguably the strongest champion team, and they seem to deliberately make every other champion team weaker than her's. It's kind of annoying.

>>59179456
>why has nothing come close since?
I think every game after Sinnoh is a bit better, but none of them have the "legacy" or continued exposure. Like they really gave Garchomp an extra Mega form with even more Speed. Why? It's that popular.

>>59180124
>Makuhita and Aron (and Sableye) are shitmons
>Spheal is a shitmon
>Bagon doesn't count! and ignore its counterpart's selection!!
>GOTO line 1
>Sky Pillar is a cave and wild encounters are the point
what a pathetic attempt at coping zoom zoom
you really needed a debate course somewhere in your schooling
and to have actually played these games too
your points are abysmally weak

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>>59180125
>Granite Cave isn't good map design
>New Mauville isn't good map design
>Abandoned Ship isn't good map design
>Shoal Cave isn't good map design
>Sealed Chamber's aren't good map design
>Meteor Falls isn't good map design
>Victory Road isn't good map design
>Sky Pillar isn't good map design
>Safari Zone isn't good map design
>Battle Frontier isn't good map design
I know your speed

>>59180139
The zoom is the belief that any of that shit is actually enticing for most players when Hoenn basically gives you better options for shitting yourself than actually engaging with its mechanics. Lots of the worst aspects of Sinnoh were Masuda's design due to him kneecapping the fucking Pokedex, which is also Hoenn's problem. Platinum fixes a lot of the game's issues. I wouldn't even be up to bat for Sinnoh if it weren't for Platinum, I think both Hoenn and Sinnoh have incredibly bad design in contrast to previous games. It's like the fucker never actually learned to make a good game and people are hell bent on believing their nostalgia was worthwhile

It doesn't stop Hoenn being an incredibly boring and linear piece of shit if you go "but you can go get a new Pokemon nobody would ever want to use if you backtrack!" and I'm sick and tired of you motherfuckers running back to the Regis as your goddamn proof of Hoenn having good exploration as if that has anything to do with exploration

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>>59180159
lotta worthless toddie yap here

grim reminder:

>>59179456
anime
crying children

>>59179456
Because it's KINNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

>>59179510
The arrow color scheming in this image is so fucking retarded

>>59180139
He isn't wrong. My last Emerald playthrough really opened my eyes. A lot of Emerald's pokemon are just not fun to play with. Johto was memed as being a region full of shitmons when Hoenn actually manages to be worse in that regard. Like Aron is a shitmon dude, it doesn't evolve until level 32, it's not an Aggron until level 42, that is insane, Aron is deadweight until the last sections of the game. Your "reward" is a very mediocre Steel/Rock type. What does it do? Use Iron Tail with 75% accuracy? Emerald pokemon still have bad movesets but Crystal at least offers the elemental punches TMs as a bandaid solution.
Honestly >>59180112
Do those fire types look appealing to you? Gen 4 Rapidash is way more valuable than Camerupt, Torkoal, and Magcargo. You'd choose Glalie and Walrein over Weavile? The Electric section is a joke.
This is Quantity vs Quality.

>>59180162
Hoenniggers don't even defend their game, they huddle in corners of the internet crying "see, people actually LIKED Hoenn!!" decades after it had been called dogshit before we got even worse games

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>>59180506
whatever you say
Hoenn speaks for itself

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>>59180505
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Aron_(Pok%C3%A9mon)/Generation_III_learnset#By_leveling_up

>>59180138
>continued exposure
>Cynthia was the secret super boss of BW
>Lucario was the first Mega Evolution of XY
>Silvally project was a manmade attempt to create Arceus in SM
>BDSP and Arceus in Gen 8
>Rotom slop is everywhere now
>More special Sinnoh Megas for ZA like Darkrai and Z Lucario
You can't escape.

>>59180533
>Actually saving this image made for insecure Hoennfaggots

>>59180551
Are you actually fucking joking. Did you actually think this was an own?

>>59180551
RSE has limited tms. It's not a good thing when the whole roster is very tm dependent.

>>59180551
I use Aggron as my Surfmon

>>59180557
>Rock/Steel type that gets:
>STAB at Lv. 13
>STAB TM before you even can catch it
>Ground coverage
>WATER coverage
>ELECTRIC coverage
>FLYING coverage
>3 HM slots through preevo alone
>"nah dat ain't it chief"

>>59180560
>errmmm tms don't count only a level-up moveset is relevant

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>>59180568
based

>>59180580
Why would I use TMs on Aron instead of an actual good pokemon that's not a waste of a slot until the E4?

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>>59180588
>Why would I use TMs on one of the most popular Pokemon in Hoenn instead of some fake example I'll pretend I have that's supposedly not a waste of a slot until the E4?

This yawnfag copycat sucks, bring in the real one.

>>59180572
>>59180580
Are you fucking Steven? Are you a retarded rich nepobaby that got a Metagross so the rest of his faggot team doesn't matter?

>>59180607
>#14 of Hoenn
>Most popular
>Lower than its prevo

How embarrassing

>>59180608
Leave it to a Hoennfag to rip off something else and do it worse, right?

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Cynthia lost

>>59180612
>"the two stages are directly adjacent, indubitably proving split votes?"
>"if combined, they line would be top 10 in results?"
>"man oh man, how am I gonna spin this... oh wait, I know, I'll just pretend not to notice all that and hope he won't either. LOL!"

https://www.nintendolife.com/features/poll-whats-your-favourite-gen-3-pokemon

>>59180609
I'm sure this post made a lot of sense in your head.

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>>59180637
>D-dude you have to ADD the votes, the shitmon is definitely much more popular than Fug, Gardevoir, Flygon, Sceptile, Blaziken, BOTH Mudkip and Swampert, Metagross, Jirachi, Milotic, Absol, and Salamence naturally

That's not how it works, Anon. If it was, Aggron wouldn't be mogged by its prevo. Especially like how Swampert was

>>59180644
>She doesn't play the games she supposedly praises

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>>59179456
>Sinnoh
>popular region
When did this happen?

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>>59180664
if you tally the votes, then by definition it'd be more popular than the single stages
who usually votes for 1st stages? females
what do females usually not care much for? hulks

it's a non-starter, non-legendary, non-shillmon (and if you disagree, you admit it was in fact popular enough to be given a mega) with 2 slots in the Top 15
your vain attempts to frame that as a failure are pitifully ridiculous

I feel sorry for how retarded you are; you're cursed to live a life of little mental fullness

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>>59180682
2006
posts like picrel would have been laughed off then as they are now

>>59180696
Mental illness is coping this hard that anybody gives a shit about Temu Tyranitar the moment they realize it's a shitmon that isn't fun to use at all

>>59180711
>isn't fun to use at all
already disproven with the tm chart for the very first stage of the line which you pretended doesn't count
talk about mental illness

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>>59180715
Yeah, I'm sure it can use those TMs you're praising. Even Flygon is better than this cuck

>>59180721
>Yeah, I'm sure it can use those TMs you're praising.
Good news campaignshitter: it can.

>he started off trolling but is legitimately seething now because Aggron is one of his favorite pokemon
Funny.

>>59180505
Hoenn mons are mostly shitmons but the game works because everyone is using shitmons including you. In Gen 4 someone like Flannery would not be a challenge but in Gen 3 she is because of your options.

>>59179456
The most beautiful region to be sure.
Tempted to start a nuzlocke just to experience Sinnoh again but I worry the weakish dex variety might sour a regular nuzlocke, make the teams feel too samey

>>59179456
Nostalgia goggles. It's an absolute dogshit region with three dogshit games.

>originals were slow as fuck
>obscene amount of Hidden Machines
>mt coronet was just not fun to traverse and since it took center stage you had to deal with it constantly
>gave us awful cross-gen evos like Rhyperior and Magmortar
>2 fire types before the postgame
>remake was completely cucked compared to ORAS and LGPE
>Legends was an empty soullless husk with only a SINGLE town and zero postgame aside from dex completion

>>59181043
BDSP > FRLG/LGPE/ORAS
and PLA is the best S1/S2 pokemon game

>>59181043
>>2 fire types before the postgame
why are you playing DP and not platinum

>>59179456
Good dex
Good landmarks
Nice music
Cynthia

>>59179462
>Alola is 3rd
Fucking how? It's nothing but cutscenes and hallways.

>>59179987
Hoenn is the Reddit region?
Why did 4chins lie to me?

>>59181331
A game is not a region. Alola is one of the best regions they have ever made. You will never see this because you are blinded by your zeal.

>>59179462
Kanto: 17% of 47 = 7.99
Johto: 24% of 47 = 11.28
Hoenn: 60% of 47 = 28.2
Sinnoh: 56% of 54 = 30.24
Unova: 34% of 54 = 18.36
Kalos: 11% of 54 = 5.94
Alola: 53% of 37 = 19.61
Galar: 15% of 37 = 5.55
Paldea: 33% of 37 = 12.21

Because current young adults were children when it came out, and they form popular opinion

>>59180156
Ah...peak pokeyman design...you're a boogeyman if you hate this, btw

>>59180156
Looks neat.
What do the other Routes look like?

>>59181331
best girls, best mons