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who was in the wrong here?
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>>12503429
Delita was wrong for trying to rise above his peasant life. He should've stayed in his place and let his superiors deal with things as God intended. With him being "Oh woe is me, my sister died because she was in a castle rather than the fields farming. Now I will uproot the whole system and destabilize it because Algus killed her." Should've stayed out of the affairs of the nobility if you ask me.
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>>12503429
>both raised by the same guy who teached them about sticking to their noble ideals, caring about their family and not tolerating injustice
>one lost his only relative to a corrupt noble, so he snaps, forgets everything his father figure teached him, moves onto "the end justifies the means" ideology and starts using everyone by using every dirty trick to climb from the bottom of society to the very top: the throne
>at the very end the girl who was used as an object for her entire life stabs him for using her as well, and it hits him that he turned into the very thing he hated - a corrupt noble who lies and uses everyone for his own personal goals
>another one stuck to his father's teachings, abandoned every advantage he had since birth (status of nobility and normal life after being branded as heretic) and just followed his heart by doing what is right: caring about his family (Zalbaag and Alma), helping others and defending Ivalice from Lucavi
>at the very end he stays the same person he was and managed to save Alma and save the world as unsung hero
Both tried to save Ivalice from its impending demise - Delita in public view and Ramza behind the scenes. But Delita rose from bottom to top by causing shit only to end a mere shell of himself while Ramza fell from top to bottom and stood true to himself no matter what kind of shit life threw at him.
Maybe they'd swap places if Alma died instead of Teta/Tietra, but the way things are Ramza handled his side way better in his circumstances as Delita got too edgy and could've handled his side much better and delicate.
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>>12505283
Yeah, that and the fact that he was projecting his dead sister onto Ovelia, so he might be a siscon.
You can tell he never loved Ovelia herself because he INSTANTLY stabs her back with her own dagger (and he stays alive to keep ruling Ivalice alone)..
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>>12505439
Nope
Only Ovelia dies (and even then Matsuno kept changing his opinion on that fact from year to year whenever someone asked him on Twitter - one time he answered "Delita survives, but Ovelia..." but then a few years later his answer changed to "Nonono, both of them survived and lived very long lives together" (???)
Pretty sure with recent remaster and script changes Ovelia is back to being dead and Delita ruling Ivalice until old age.
I'm also not sure whether or not Lord of Vermilion III scenario with FFT written by Matsuno counts as canon, but Delita is alive there while Ovelia is nowhere to be seen.
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>>12503429
everyone talks about how goated this game is
it throws you straight into a battle system where new players have no idea what's going on and die within the first 5 minutes and have to watch the intro cut scene all over again
how do i git gud enough to make it past the first couple fights wtf retarded all other final fantasy games either explain or make the first section of game retard easy difficulty so you can figure it out yourself
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>>12504310
>Both tried to save Ivalice from its impending demise
not really. His actions were not intended to 'save' Yvalice.
He was trying to overtake a power play plan already in motion. Not expose it, not undo it, but to enhance it and ensure his place at the top of it.
most of the rest of your analysis is on, but Delita was definitely revenge motivated too. Even to the point where both Dycedarg and Goltana, and Zalbag and Orlandu had to die for the plan to work. Whatever friendship he had with Ramza made him at least indifferent to the faking of Orlandu's death, knowing that the Lucavi were on the move. But the Beolve brothers? The ones who put authority in Algus's hands and is the next most responsible for T's death? Yeah, no, fuck them.
his actions only incidentally would help Yvalice. Its a kind of trope, too. Record of Lodoss Wars did this too a bit, so its an echo of that. (of course wrapped up with Macbeth and other vague western religious exhoes too).
and don't forget, the whole game is told from the narrative perspective of Olan's decendant exposing the actions of Delita 400 years later. Delita basically merged the church and the crown, and had Olan burned at the stake for daring to say anything about what happened in the nanten before Delita's ascension.
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>>12505882
>I'm autistic and can't understand that other people have different experiences than me
cool, well, it has happened the three times I've tried to play this game, goes from 0 to 100 with no instruction or break down on the game mechanics otherwise I wouldn't have come into the thread asking wtf is up with that
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>>12506048
You don't even need to do anything to win the first battle, are you saying you died 3 times in that particular battle?
It's fair enough to say that the following battles can impose some challenge if you don't know what you're doing, but you need to be truly special to struggle with the very first battle.
If you're not shitposting, then change your strategy to earn exp as much as possible, because the difficulty curve of FFT is a mess.
Cast buffs on your characters, use a consumables even if it's not necessary, attacking your own characters may be fine too.
If you fall behind you can abuse the squire's focus/accumulate ability every turn to quickly grind.
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>>12506292
yeah the first "battle" you don't have to do anything because your teammates are so OP, I'm talking the first real battle after that where you aren't carried. Throws you to the wolves with no game instruction and i rage quit after that because I'm not watching that intro cutscene and first "battle" again just to flounder again. I've played and beaten almost every FF game and this one is just too retarded/hard off rip idgi
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>>12509869
>You have to have your characters throw stones at each others for hours to grind JP
this is my biggest problem with the game
>leave one enemy alive at low health
>have party members hit each other over and over
the fact that this is the quickest way to gain jp is retarded. i honestly cannot imagine playing this game on console without emulator speed up to make random fights more painless