>>3942411
Not even the worst ps3 one

zestiria & arise are slightly worse than berseria but i dislike all three for similar reasons
legendia & symphonia 2 are arguably worse but they have enough classic tales charm to make them more palatable to me
tempest is the actual obvious worst

>>3942411
Tempest, Legendia, Symphonia 2, and Innocence are way the fuck worse.

>>3942411
my problem with Berslopia is the awful change in combat
if it had similar gameplay to the previous PS3 games it would have been great

>>3942471
berseria's main issues are that it defaults to free running instead of linear movement, and that you build your own arte flowchart (aka, you spam the same move repeatedly) instead of needing to play around a fixed flowchart like graces/zestiria

otherwise it's mostly better than zestiria

>>3942411
Berseria is my favorite Tales due to having the best characters. I don't care about the combat.

>>3942411
Can we also admit that Vesperia's kind of overhyped?

>>3942411
This game has probably the worst dungeons I've seen in a PS4 era JRPG, insanely repetitive and makes Persona 4 blush and that was a PS2 game.

>>3943235
symphonia abyss & vesperia all are

>>3942422
I agree with this post. The games really started to feel like generic action games with the xillias and it just kept getting worse

>>3943263
They aren't overrated you just only listen to retards who are in tales threads

>>3942411
Is it really berserk but a girl?

>>3943271
i've been playing these games since before symphonia or 4chan even existed

>>3943239
Persona 3 and 4 have generated dungeons tho, nothing is worse than that

>>3943263
Abyss IS one of the better ones, tho. Arguably the best.

>>3943281
NTA, but corridor dungeons are infinitely worse.
P3/4's dungeons are not actually randomly generated anyway. There's a few presets for the floor layout and the game rolls a dice to pick one when you enter a new floor, except for the ones that have a static layout such as the floors where the bosses are obviously.

>>3943327
So they're generated when you enter a new floor... and this generation is done from a set of options picked randomly.

>>3943282
Abyss is the worst of the 3. Plays like dogshit

>>3943235
Sure but it's still a good game

>>3943361
Yeah its good. I just think it getting hyped up hurt it a smidge.

>>3943401
That's understandable. I am not sure if any of the Tales games are truly "must plays", but a handful do often get hyped up that way. It's an overall fairly middling series that occasionally escapes the 5-7/10 zone to make it to 8/10, and those are the ones that seem to get hyped by fans as if they were 9-10/10.

>>3942411
Legendia and Zesteria exists

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>Still in the top 30
keep winning

>>3943263
atleast symphonia story its good, vesperia is fucking garbage

Arise exists and was slapped with the Tales name. So by default it is the worst one.

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>Surely, you can't be serious?
I am Shirley, and don't call me serious.

test

>>3943715
isn't every Tales story basically the same?
Racism is bad and we save the world with the power of friendship. Also le wacky cooking subsystem. It's literally the same exact game every single time.

>>3944356
No, only like half of them. And even the ones with “don’t be racist” as a big part of their plot do have other things they’re working with that changes between games
The cooking systems are kinda irrelevant to the plots t b h. It’s strange that you brought it up here

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bros I started playing tales of symphonia after xillia and it's incredible how better of a game it is even if it's like 10 years older
>more enemy variety
>much better location design
>despite being restricted to a 2D plane the combat is still engaging
>arguably a better story
what went wrong with this series and why is the quality dropping and not increasing over time? what are other tiles worth checking out?

>>3944381
you got this impression because Xillia is the game when the series went to shit and never recovered. it's fun for experimenting with combos but everything else suffers. Graces was the last classic (good) Tales game, Xillia was the first modern (bad) one.
especially:
>much better location design
compare the dungeons in Xillia to Graces. night & day difference

>>3944356
What was the racism in Abyss?

>>3944451
Bro play the game.
Tell me where you think it was (it’s really obvious)

>>3944381
Substantially better story, not arguably. Xillia’s story is a mess because they were trying to get it out as an anniversary title.
The one thing Xillia has going for it is good combat.

>>3943327
That's the definition of generated dungeons

>>3943353
But enough about Vesperia.

Abyss shills continue to be embarrassing

Tempest is blatantly unfinished but I'd rather play it over half of these games that people shill to me.

>>3944356
Even among the officially translated games that's blatantly not true.

>>3944356
If similar themes or structure makes them the "same", all RPGs are the same since they follow the hero's journey.

>>3944497
People only care about Vesperia because of the graphics and Yuri.

>>3944527
lasting 10 hours do wonders vs any other tales game

>>3944356
I'm pretty sure there are more games in the series about environmentalism than racism.

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>>3944383

Ignoring mobile games and radiant mythology etc. Looking for the 3 major themes of the series - i.e. Racism is bad, Environmentalism, and War is Bad (not that these are the only themes present)
>Phantasia - All 3
>Destiny - Racism is Bad, War is Bad
>Eternia - War is Bad, Racism is bad
>Destiny 2 - War is Bad,
>Symphonia - All 3
>Rebirth - Racism is bad, War is bad
>Legendia - All 3
>Abyss - All 3
>Tempest - Racism is Bad, War is bad
>Innocence - War is bad, Racism is bad,
>Symphonia 2 - Racism is Bad, Environmentalism
>Vesperia - War is bad, Environmentalism
>Hearts - War is bad, Racism is Bad
>Graces - War is bad, Environmentalism
>Xillia - All 3
>Xillia 2 - All 3
>Zesteria - All 3
>Berseria - Maybe a bit of Racism is bad and Environmentalism but none of them are in the spotlight
>Arise - All 3

>>3944736
You are wrong in so many instances.

>>3944635
He's probably the kind of guy who sees something like
>the Elves dont like Arche because she's a half elf
For a grand total of one dungeon and assumes that racism is a major plotpoint of ToP when its barely even a footnote. ToP is pretty clearly a game about environmentalism given that everything revolves around time travel and the mana trees.

>>3944381
Because Xillia is the beginning of nu-Tales and every game after the studios merging (aka nu-Tales) is dogshit.
Symphonia, Abyss, and Vesperia are by the Team Symphonia studio, so you'd probably like playing them in order since the battle system just has added mechanics. Symphonia and Abyss have the same writers (who worked on Arc Rise Fantasia and Tales of the Rays), which is why the writing takes a complete nosedive in Vesperia in comparison.
Destiny Director's Cut is pretty much the best way to play Destiny.
Eternia is solid and was the first entry to do away with the action stopping whenever a mid-to-high level magic spell is cast.
Phantasia is effectively a must since it laid the groundwork for the series and Life Bottle's ToPX translation was recently released, allowed people who don't understand moonrunes to finally play ToP without spell freeze.
Graces is the last good game.

>>3944736
You're probably stupid enough to think that FFI, FFIV and FFXIV have the same plot just because "Crystals". Congrats, that's a super power.

>>3944820
Which you could use your words to talk about if you weren’t just making a gay shitpost
>>3944875
1 - you might be retarded.
2 - sharing elements does not mean they “have the same plot” it means they share elements. You’re shooting at a position that was never made
3-
>FFXIV
Lol

>>3944381
After they fused the two teams, they slowly phased out core aspects of the series while also having way worse stories
>Overworld replaced wtih copy+paste corridors
>Remove more and more puzzles from dungeons
>Sabotage multiplayer co-op, then remove it
>Replace fighting game style combat with general action game combat
>Etc.
I think it's pretty clear that the current team has no idea what made Tales games popular or even how to make a rewarding game. Xillia is still the first step in that direction. Zestiria, Berseria and Arise only make things worse.

>>3943272
it would be a very different game if artorious sodomised a child rather than stabbing him

>>3945321
>Fighting game style combat
?

>>3945792
Have you played any of the games

>>3945321
>>3945792
>>3945793
it's more like a beat 'em up with smash bros directional inputs
many newer fighting games have being abandoning motion inputs in favor of directional specials, though. it's not a bad comparison

>>3945793
Most of them. Have you ever played a fucking fighting game?

>>3942411
They're all bad, but Abyss is worse.

>>3943263
This nigga gets it

>>3943715
Blatant ripoff of FFX but with boring, unlikable characters

>>3944736
Was there racism in Zestiria? Seems like it's more "War is Bad" than anything else.

>t. played it thinking I would get the Platinum in it, then realized that would be 200+ hours, so just content to have beaten it

>>3946212
not that I recall. Just stupid writing, mainly surrounding Rose and Alisha

>>3946212
If anything it was a little pro racism??
Like to be clear people with resonance are just better than those without - the game is really front facing about this. Sorey is the chosen one and he’s just better than normal people and that’s why he can become the shepherd, and unlike Symphonia or idk Destiny 2 where being the Chosen one actually kinda sucks and has drawbacks - that’s not the case here at all. Seraphim are also generally just better than humans - the fact that worshipping them is just fundamentally “the right thing to do” and no one even argues against that and treats the seraphim like people either is kinda fucked up. Man there’s a lot of things I don’t like about Zestiria. Literally the only thing that saves it for me is Lailah and them having the little in-battle conversations whenever you first fought a new monster type.

Anyways, definitely big on War is Bad, and I can see Malevolence and its effects on people/seraphs tying into a sorta environmental message if you squint hard enough.

Series peaked with Vesperia.

>>3944977
And yet, I'm not the retard that said that most Tales plot is "racism BAD"

>>3946197
And FFX was a batantly rip-off and boring copy of Phantasia and Eternia, so it's fine.

>>3946488
>FFX
>Phantasia rip off
Is this just one guy being retarded or is this the norm for Tales fans?

>>3946197
>This nigga gets it
we differ greatly though
i'm a fan of the series, i just strongly prefer the team destiny games over the team symphonia games
and FFX is perhaps the most overrated JRPG ever

>>3946487
A lot of the games do have a significant anti-racism component. Do you think that’s not true? “Racism is Bad” is a recurring plot point from the first game in the series all the way to the latest one

>>3942411
The games got progressively worse after Graces.

>>3946488
You mean Link's Awakening.

Finally got around to playing Berseria, it's pretty fun. Combat picks up a lot faster than the Symphonia team games, it helps that Velvet's fucking insane compared to the rest of the party. The equipment system is still retarded, even more so now that you aren't allowed to transfer nameless equipment over like Zestiria so working towards getting good skills is kind of meaningless. It'll never happen but it would be interesting to see a third game in the world exploring what happened in the other continents and potentially dealing with the curse put on by the Seraphim in the higher realm.
TAKE THAT! DEVOUR! TAKE THAT! DEVOUR! TAKE THAT! DEVOUR! TAKE THAT! DISAPPEAR! NO MERCY!

>>3946852
Berseria’s combat is awful. I’d legitimately rather play Legendia.

>>3946610
but Graces is the worst tales game.

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I was thinking of trying an older Tales game. I'm debating between Rebirth and Legendia. Has anyone here played either or both of them and have any opinions on em?

>>3947075
Rebirth has a fun and unique battle system, but the positives end there. Characters suck, it has the worst skits in the franchise, the pacing is awful in the second half (worse than normal for Tales), and the story is a toddler cartoon take on racism.
Legendia has a tightly paced main story, but the second half of the game (character quests) makes you retread every single dungeon. The battle system is kind of clunky and not in-depth enough to support the ~50 hour playtime. The characters are great though and the character quests are some of my favorite stories in the series.

>>3947082
Lmao

>>3947075
>>3947082
rebirth is one of the best games in the series
legendia is one of the worst

i disagree about rebirth having bad characters and skits. story pacing, sure, but i don't mind it

>>3947109
The fact of the matter is that by the numbers, Rebirth has the most skits of any game, they get dumped on you in large batches, and they're frequently repetitious. The compounding factor of all of these issues is the choice they made to ALWAYS have a "where do we go next" or "what do we do next" skit at the end of all new skits. So with every new batch of skits you're guaranteed to have at least one completely useless skit as long as you're paying attention, but you're compelled to view it because it flashes as a new skit would.

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>>3942422
spbp thread could've ended right here

People told me that if I didn't like Berseria then these games just aren't (because it's one of the better and more accessible ones I guess).
Well I didn't like Berseria so I guess I just don't like Tales games.

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>>3942411
I think it's time to admit they're all shit.

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>>3943263
Abyss is not only peak Tales, but genuinely one of the best JRPGs ever made.
https://news.denfaminicogamer.jp/projectbook/251215a

>>3947149
That's terrible advice for most game series, but especially for one with over 20 entries.

Rebirth is the best paced game in the series simply because the dungeons are short instead of long and annoying.

>>3947149
That's like stating if you don't like FFXVI then you won't like any of the classic ones. They're not the same experience at all.

>>3947149
whoever said that is a retard that doesn't understand this series at all

>>3947149
Story aside (Berseria is above average in that regard for Tales), Berseria had one of the worst combats and level design in the series.

>>3947075
Sex with Edna

>>3947075
Legendia is weird.

Learning new physical skills requires using other skills a set amount of times. Senel's throw gimmick moves are for specific weight classes but its hard to tell what the weight classes of foes are.

Learning new magic requires RNG drops of a specific material from a specific enemy.

Not to mention all the character development arcs are all in a 2nd half of the game where you revisit every dungeon. Plus the plot is not English dubbed for some reason.

>>3947311
>Plus the plot is not English dubbed for some reason.
i think there's a full undub now if you want to play the whole thing with jp voices
it's not really worth it though unless you're a series completionist

>>3947339
>>3947311
The english dub in the first half was pretty good honestly. It’s a bit of a shame
It also makes it much harder for Legendia to get a port / remaster

>>3947311
Senel is a fist dude right? How does he feel compared to other fist bros like Jude or Law?

>>3947369
Senel’s okay…? You gotta remember that Legendia’s combat system is more barebones than most recent games - nothing in it is going to be anywhere close to Jude.
The only Legendia characters that are worth playing are Chloe and Senel, in that order - all the casters are terrible, and Moses is probably the worst designed character in the series. Senel is useable, but his “gimmick” of grappling moves that affect different enemy weights/types is pretty cumbersome and not really worth using most of the time.

>>3947369
weaker due to Legendia being 2D

>let's make enhancing gear require fifty million copies of items from the same tier to slowly enhance one item
Ok
>the fastest way to get new copies is to buy out a shop, do 3 trash fights and then buy it out again
Ok
>doing this is absurdly expensive and we also removed all of the get rich quick tricks zestiria had
Why
>fast travel is also severely gutted, you want to grind gald in innominat enjoy a 2 minute walk from the nearest town to get there
Why

>>3947382
Berseria is not a good game. It hides behind a couple good characters and a somewhat interesting overall plot (though the actual minute to minute plot, which is 80% just a mcguffin hunt for the hellions sucks), but almost all the mechanical aspects and just the experience of playing the game suck

>>3947402
nobody plays rpgs for the combat.

>>3947406
I am nobody

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>>3942411
It's time to admit that Phantasia is the best Tales game.

>>3947421
Not until it gets a remake with the Vita games' combat

>>3947369
Senel being more of a grappler makes him feel distinct from other martial artists especially when previously Farah & Regal were more focused on aerial combos
that's not necessarily a good thing though
>>3947406
you shouldn't be playing tales games if you're not playing for the combat

>>3944736
>Phantasia
Elves are not so bad, illegal aliens sure are though
>Destiny
If a cute tomboy is constantly trying to get on your nerves she probably really wants to fuck you bro
>Eternia
Class based societies are a mistake and learning foreign languages is a net improvement for your QoL, also little brown girls are so goddamn hot holy fucking shit
FUCK
>Destiny 2
Remember that cute tomboy? Yeah, you should marry her and reproduce because she'll give you chad sons, also fate ain't real
>Symphonia
Hot and cold are merely different points of view, also if your deadbeat dad comes back into your life you should probably listen to him
>Rebirth
Racism is an airborne virus and peach pie is the vaccine
>Legendia
Be careful about your girlfriend's little sister, also bread is good for you don't fall for that keto bullshit
>Abyss
Trust nobody, not even your original self
>Tempest
You can't choose your families so if your dad is an asshole call him out on his shit
>Innocence
Never trust religious people, especially if they're cute
>Symphonia 2
Fuck her already what's wrong with you, oh and courage is the power that turns dreams into reality or some shit
>Vesperia
Manslaughter is not a crime if you're the handsome main character of your story
>Hearts
Compliment a girl's legs or chest, stand by her no matter what and she'll probably let you smash her for life, girls are just as horny as you are
>Graces
DO NOT FIST ANDROID GIRLS, also if your best friend starts talking funny all of a sudden he's probably been possessed by aliens
>Xillia
Real friends will not hesitate to shoot you, older blonde women will break your heart
>Xillia 2
Capitalism was a mistake
>Zesteria
It's not gay if the balls don't touch, really
>Berseria
Pedophilia doesn't help you deal with your traumas...or does it?
>Arise
Fucking your crush' great granddaughter might be morally questionable but that pussy grip is no joke, also if you kill your enemies you're just as bad as they are

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>>3947448
>little brown girls are so goddamn hot holy fucking shit FUCK.
Amen to that. We need those backs in jrpg.

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>>3947448
I want this pasted in every general thread from now on.

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>>3947479
Brown girls (big or little, better if little) improve litterally everything if they are in the hands of the tojo.

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>>3947371
>>3947375
>>3947442
So a lot said the combat is barebones for Legendia? Is it worse than for example Symphonia? If it's that bad would I be better trying the old older 2d games like Rebirth, Eternia, or Destiny? Just trying to decide on which one to play this weekend.

>>3947479
>little
Shes 158cm

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>>3947485
I am 1.94, she is little for me. But i concede i don't always remember meredy is kinda "big" compared to the other cumsocks.

>>3947486
That height comparison is horribly wrong lol

>>3947483
Eternia is basically the blueprint for the majority of the games that followed it. I recommend that one.

>>3947481
QQ? More like CUTECUTE

>>3945499
It's probably a methaphor for sodomy

>>3947485
>>3947486
Eternia's loli is Chat. Meredy is 16 which puts her around the same age as Reid/Farah/Keele.

>>3947493
Also Galad's property

>>3947292
Berseria's story is far from even average, wtf. The antagonist has the most generic motives and goals while the confliect througout the game plays out like a Sunday morning show for kids. Except the antagonists take a break for no reason at all. Phantasia is less straight forward and it is already pretty basic.
The big twist is supposed to be that Velvet is a therion, but she's been excplicitly called that early on, so there really isn't a twist.
I really don't get why Berseria is getting so much praise. It's marginally better than Zestiria and Arise, but that's really not saying much.

>>3947500
If Berseria followed any game other than Zesteria, people would praise it less.

>>3945499
It would have been extremely hot. Also thinking of laphi as used goods really gives me a titanic boner.

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>>3947504
Berseria is extremely meh, paper thin characters, intermission slogs everywhere, item cancer. But it's basically the top tier shotacon power fantasy. If you know something better tell me.

>>3947509
fuck... he's worth the time in prison.

>>3947512
Of course it is but i am planning to marry him after.

Gay pedos are weirder than regular pedos.

>>3947509
Touché, there really isn't much for shotacons, so you have to scratch the bottom of the barrel. The next best thing is probably Xenoblade 2.

>>3947521
agreed, like that sicko spamming that Mao shit at the end of the last thread and nothing was done about it

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>>3947521
I am etero but i would a laphi or genis without even thinking twice. I consoom a lot of jap stuff and basically they are the only one that made me feel that way. That little kid from vesperia? I don't even remember the name, who cares, not even a ping down there.

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>>3947527
>I am etero but
Anon, I got news for you

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>>3947529
Eh, i am ok also with bi. I don't care anymore. If it's cute, if it moves my dick, if i like it, i go for it. I don't care what it is, male, female, anthro, animal, who cares anymore. Momantai.

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>>3947509

>>3944381
Symphonia's story is pretty trite tbqhwyf

>>3947577
every video game story is trite thoughbeit

>>3947483
Destiny DC has really nice combat for a 2D. You shouldn’t play the base Destiny
>>3947486
Based Tallstelle

>>3947500
>velvet being a therion is a twist
No, the twist is that Laphicet wanted to be sacrificed to become Innominat.

>>3946507
Well, at the end of the day you are a nigga.

Survey up
I have requested NG+ BS/MA unlock

I forgot to request steam points shop items
its owari da

>>3947712
>You shouldn’t play the base Destiny
Wrong and thoroughly homosexual.

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Tales of Festival 2026 is beach themed ?
Micro Bikini on Edna and Rita ??

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>>3947957
Its Beach themed.
Cant wait for the bikinis for the hebes

>>3947957
>Only 4 girls
GAY

>>3947979
fujos won...

>>3947957
That's a lot of Tempest representation

>>3948047
Tempest desperately needs a remake. I'd buy it day 1.

>>3948113
Porting, not remake. Stop buying censored ai sloppa jesus.

>>3948121
1. Everyone with a functional brain can play Tempest already
2. OG Tempest is the closest thing the series has to an "objectively" bad game
3. Tales has a perfect track record with remakes, they're all worth playing

>>3948124
>perfect track record with remakes
Xilla was pure slop, more censored than the original and got zero visibility and interest.

>>3948132
He is talking about games like Destiny DC or the two R games for the Vita, not the recent garbage remasters

>>3948121
>Porting
No one is going to accept a port of Tempest when the game is so blatantly unfinished (even more so than Arise with that rushed second half) and is down there with PS1 Destiny for some of the worst party AI in the series.
Not to mention that they alluded to a Tempest R back in the Vita era.

>>3948132
Xillia got a remaster not a remake retard.
>>3948133
I felt like Hearts R was unnecessary because the original was already great. I liked the way that OG Innocence did the intro better but Innocence R was a fine remake overall.

>>3948135
From my perspective it's just two separate games to enjoy, and I've played both the OG and Hearts R twice each now.

>>3947504
So I guess Abyss and Vesperia are pretty shit, since they followed Legendia and Tempest.

Vesperia followed Tempest, Innocence DS and Dawn of the New World, lmao.

>>3947500
>The antagonist has the most generic motives while the confliect througout the game plays out like a Sunday morning show for kids.
That's 100% of Tales

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>>3948633
Nah.

>>3948631
Abyss and Legendia came out roughly around the same time. Vesperia was long after Tempest.
Nice try though

>>3948633
I hate that sentiment, as if every game has the same qualities. You criticise a newer game of a series and someone jumps to its defence saying it's the same. Then in the same breath they'll tell you Vesperia falls off in the third act. Completely contradictory statements.
Nah, Artorias experienced one cultish ritual where he lost his wife and decided all of humanity is better off not feeling a thing anymore. At least Mithos' hate comes from who knows how many years of discrimination which turned his ideals around. He's also explored way better than fucking Artorias, who's just kinda there.

>>3948661
>>3948675
Cope

>>3948678
Mithos has a sister complex, nothing is more pathetic in anime than that.

>>3948678
Ehh, Artorius was also wracked with guilt from Claudin dying for him and feeling like he couldn't change humanity by living up to Claudin's ideals. Then Melchior set it up so Celica got sacrificed and Melchior got him to snap at his lowest moment. Take someone at a low point in their life, give them something positive and meaningful only to have it taken away can push that person even lower than they originally were.

>>3948687
Concession accepted.

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>>3948135
I'm kinda split on Hearts R, but both R games are a bit radical with their changes compared to more orthodox remakes like Phantasia X or Destiny DC so I guess it's only natural.
For the most part I do prefer the R games to the originals but there's still some changes I really dislike, Hearts R is especially jarring to me because it clearly got more budget than Innocence R but they went on and made inexplicable changes like going back to random encounters or removing coop artes in a remake that doubles down on coop mechanics, never mind the removal of characters like Tetsu, there's some really odd steps back in a game that has generally a whole lot of good steps forward, the extra Beryl bullying is also pretty heartless.
Innocence R has similar issues but to be fair I don't really like OG Innocence in terms of gameplay so I don't particularly care about the removal of a lot of mechanics from that game, my main gripe is that both QQ and Kongwai are kinda poorly written and stick out too much, which I guess is sort of the point in a way but then again Galad was written into Hearts' story in a much more natural and less OG Donut Steel way, they're still less offensive than Rody though.

>>3948943
R technically has less Beryl bullying, in that they took out scenes of her pining for Shing as well as her near-confession to him. Unless your argument is that the removal of those scenes itself is the bullying.

has anyone played tales of rebirth? gosh, what a snoozefest. the only good thing about it is mao. literally. the. only. good. thing.
speaking of mao, his seiyuu is doing a great job! she brings the very best out of that cute tomgirl shota. gosh, imagine how hot mao would look in a red bikini. his bubblebutt glistering in the july sun. sweaty, peachypink round, small and cute little butt..
mao-hime..

>>3949004
>his seiyuu is doing a great job!
best work is still the twins in utawarerumono

>>3942411
this is the one i started with. didn't get very far and got kinda bored with it at some point. combat system was a bit different, haven't played anything like it, but in general I'm still interested in the tales franchise. is there another I should try instead as a first?

>>3949397
One of Symphonia / Abyss / Vesperia are the general favourites.
Symphonia and Vesperia both have PC ports, Abyss doesn't but it's super easy to emulate PS2 games.

>>3948758
Cope

>>3949004
Let me guess, you're american. Anyone that dislikes Rebirth's story is either american or stupid.

>>3949432
>trying to brag about being impressed by a "we all bleed the same blood" message

>>3949430
You seem to be doing it, yes.

>>3949397
the series is really more varied than people give it credit for
if Symphonia/Abyss/Vesperia don't appeal to you then take a look at Graces or any of the jp-only fan-translated games

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yikes...

>>3949751
why yikes? line seems pretty normal

>>3949756
he sees "dark" and thinks "a black person"

you'd have to be very young or very esl to not know the phrase "tall dark and handsome"

>>3942411
I have played
tales of phantasia
tales of symphonia
tales of vesperia
tales of berseria
tales of the abyss

What should I play next?

>>3949959
Uhhhh Eternia? Inoocence? What is your mental state about little brown girls?

>>3949959
Zestiria. It has cute blonde teenager :)

>>3949959
another series

>>3949959
Graces

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>>3949959
Eternia.

>>3949443
>Still seething that Abyss and Vesperia are mid
Lmao

>>3950139
>>3948758

>>3950225
>>3950139
C - O - P - E

>>3950524
>>3948758

get a room you two and take that Mao sicko with you

>>3946610
But Xillia 2 is a masterpiece.

>>3950621
Ludger's moveset is a masterpiece
Leia's character design is a masterpiece
everything else in that game? lol no

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>>3950625
Wrong!
https://youtu.be/2-2-mUD2-Ug

>>3950636
Sex with Elize

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>>3950637
Yes.
I have an unquenchable desire to lick every inch of her body and impregnate her multiple times.

>>3946610
>>3946868
Two kinds of people

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Edna is more mature. I dont want to fuck brats

I like little energetic girls that wants to play house with me and let me braid their hairs after sex. Emotionless fuckdolls like edna are borning.

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>>3951142
>Edna
>Emotionless
Shes a demon in bed

>>3947481
i love QQ!

>>3943235
No its flaws don't overshadow the amount of content and soul it has

>>3942411
Berseria so far isn't as good as graces but is way way better than xillia. I like the characters and the story is at least engaging.

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Abyss, my beloved.

>>3953026
Hopefully the next tales of remastered is abyss. It's long overdue.

>>3953361
Not really. It already had a port moving it up. There are a lot of games that need it more than abyss does

none of these games need remasters
just continue using emulators and stop giving bamco your money

>>3953555
can i give you my money instead?

I've only played arise and I liked it :)

>>3953408
I think it's a damn shame that we still don't have official HD releases for all the team symphonia games.

>>3953626
HD is kinda a fucking meme man. It's mostly just a buzzword to sell to underages and investors

>>3953555
>continue using emulators
PS3 and Vita emulation are still mediocre at best with some games suffering from random game ending crashes. A native pc port is ultimately better in that instance.

>>3953770
Abyss is a PS2 game

>>3953770
Litterally anyone played abyss without a single flaw. It's probably the most emulated ps2 jrpg after ff10.

>>3954115
>>3954116
Anon said " *none* of these games". Can you fuckers even follow a conversation.

>>3954311
There’s a couple retarded abyssfags here unfortunately. They legitimately can’t read

>>3954311
We were talking about Abyss, no one cares about Innocence R and Hearts R and all the PS3 games besides Xillia 2 were ported already.
>>3954323
Cope

>>3954410
>no one cares about Innocence R and Hearts R
I do, what the fuck are you going to do about that?

>>3954115
>>3954116
>>3954410
You people are so stupid it hurts.

>>3954443
reminder that Abyss fans want Luke to be accountable for his actions for blowing up a town when he was 1000% tricked into blowing up.

Just like the party.

>>3954457
Abyss is such a good litmus test for autism, they should legitimately use it for diagnosis of the ability to read social situations.

>>3954478
>read social situations.
that wasn't a social situation, that was a crisis and the party immediately jumped on poor Luke when he was still trying to cope with the FACT he was TRICKED by someone he trusted but no one was listening to him.

and yet Anise was like "I sold you out to the badguys" and the party immediately forgave her.

>>3954486
>a conversation isn't a social situation
lol

Speaking of "unable to read the room", how about Zelos deciding to hit on Sheena mere moments after Corrine died?

Fucker has no tact what so ever and it was that scene that made me go "this scumbag is irredeemable"

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>just killed another version of you
>learned your surrogate daughter is actually that version's daughter
>also she's suffering from magic aids due to you using your powers
>childhood friend calls for another debt payment
Is Ludger justified in flipping out at Nova? She's only doing her job and has no idea what just happened.

>>3954410
>We were talking about Abyss
You, in your mind maybe. You were replying to >>3953770 which replied to >>3953555. And again, if you can read:
>" *none* of these games".

>>3954457
Now you go and are as retarded as the people you're complaining about Jesus Christ
t. posted both >>3954311 and >>3953026

>>3942411
Nah, Vesperia is worse and yes I played both from start to finish.

Quest pointers alone would make an Abyss remaster worth it.

>>3954494
Yeah but she is noisy and also she refuses to ride his dick so whatever, fuck her (i wish i could).

>>3954677
>he got lost while looking for Ion's room

>>3954733
It's not about directions. Side quests have such stupid short time windows that it's super easy to miss things if you don't have a guide constantly open.

>>3954733
okay but to be entirely and completely honest Daath cathedral fucking sucks (Nta)
Like it's probably the worst location in the game and you have to keep going back there over and over and over again. And it's not even the only location that does this Yulia City is awful too

Abyss's maps are kinda dogshit a lot of the time and it does impact the experience of playing it.

>>3954536
I don't hate Vesperia but I don't really here that much from it online anymore.

>>3954838
i mean you don't hear much about tales. It's kinda the problem with them having stopped releasing new games
It's been almost 10 years since the last Tales game - think about that

>>3954894
No it hasn't what the fuck are you talking about.

I miss having people itt that were smart to talk to. Unlike >>3954918 who can’t think for 5 seconds straight

>>3954940
>no argument
Concession accepted

Apiss tards really can't read huh?

>>3954486
>>3954457
>hurr durr why did the party give Luke such a hard time and not Anise
Try paying attention next time

>>3954894
Hope you're not pretending the likes of Zestiria or Berseria were Tales games.

>>3954972
they were both tricked/made into doing something they didn't want to do.
Luke got condemned
Ansie was instantly forgiven

And here I was, thinking Berseria was actually the best.

>>3954991
Wait you mean if you show remorse for something, people are more lenient with you than if you throw a tantrum and shift blame? Crazy.
>but he really wasn't the one to blame!
Doesn't matter. No one is mad at him for Akzeriuth, they're fed up with the way he dealt with it
>give him some time to process it!
You're not wrong, but this was a festering wound. Luke is a complete twat from the very beginning of the game, him scoffing at a child dying right in front of them and then frantically trying to claim he did nothing wrong, even trying to shift the blame onto the party, is just the straw that broke the camel's back.

That should about cover the conversation, the thread can go back to being dead until the next coomer post now.

>>3954997
>and shift blame

to the actual guilty party. Which is what no one in the party, or you, are comprehending.

>>3954894
I also don't count Arise as a Tales game.

https://youtu.be/FNNog8SPtsM
>Still arguing over this part

>>3954991
Retard.

It’s the same retarded lukefag that shows up every month
There’s literally no point in talking to him

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Edna !

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Edna my slutwife

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Another day, another wave of Chadbyss seething over Akzeriuth.

Does anyone know what version of ToD2 Lumina Tales was supposedly doing it on?

>>3955248
They're planning both versions, but PSP first.

>>3954997
>even trying to shift the blame onto the party, is just the straw that broke the camel's back.
The story actually goes out of its way to tell you that the party could have prevented Azeriuth if they actually spoke up when they noticed what was wrong. In fact, in terms of blame shifting ironically the character most guilty of blame shifting is actually Ashe since he's entire reason why Van got control of Luke in the first place but he never admits to any fault and instead blames Luke for everything even though everyone else including Luke ends up admitting their own roles in the event.

In fact, I'm surprised the game never reused the fact that Van can control Luke's body again in the story.

I want to see Edna riding a scooter

>>3955508
I want to see you riding a hanging noose.

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>popular for 20 years for being "that one game that looks pretty damn cool but it's stuck in Japan"
>fan translation comes out, everyone cheers
>...
>turns out the game's mid as hell with a forgettable setting, boring MC and laughable storyline about peach pie beating Racism™

>>3954412
Laugh at your face since they'll never be ported. Never. Ever.
>>3954443
Cope
>>3954501
>>3954410
Also, cope

>>3955988
alt-rights when he plays a game about racism on 2026

>>3955988
I've seen more than one person claim it to be one of their favorites since the patch came out, which is better reception than I expected

>>3955992
Concession accepted.

>>3955030
The irony is that the party wanted Luke to accept blame because they needed someone to blame at that moment. And when Luke didn't accept blame it upset them. But immediately after Luke takes the blame the game starts hammering the point to the party that Luke really wasn't to blame, to it point where even the party starts to acknowledge that they themselves could have prevented it. Anon is conflating "Luke being a dickhead before Azeriuth" with "Luke needing to accept blame for a killing thousands of innocent people that he isn't at fault for".

>>3956036
The only irony is that posters like yourself continually shriek "blame!" "blame!" nonstop just like Luke did without realizing that's exactly the kind of behavior that everyone was fed up with. I said it before, I'll say it again right now, and I'm sure I'll have to type it a million times again in the future: no one gives a fuck about who was to blame, everyone knows it's Van. That's not the issue that anyone, in game or out, has with Luke.

>>3956041
>everyone knows it's Van

and yet they condemned Luke like he was a willing participant. A FACT YOU CONSTNALTY KEEP ON IGNORING

>>3956004
>still seething Abyss is the only popular game left to port
lmao

>>3956131
"I wish you would have told us first" is the most damning thing anyone said to him before he completely derails the conversation by trying to insist he did nothing wrong. I'm not ignoring any facts, I'm ignoring your headcanon that the characters are upset with Luke because he caused Akzeriuth's destruction, a headcanon that completely falls apart if you actually pay attention to the damn scene.

>>3956140
>>3956041
That's exactly what they were doing. They wanted someone to blame, and Luke was a convenient scapegoat. It's not until after Luke wakes up, and they talk to Tear's grandfather does the game start hammering home to the party that they can't blame Luke for it.

>"I wish you would have told us first" is the most damning thing anyone said to him before he completely derails the conversation by trying to insist he did nothing wrong.
That's the kind of shit you tell someone when you are trying to blame them for something "X thing happened because you didn't talk to anyone first". Luke rightly called them out on what they were hinting at. Also, you're mixing up the timeline. They did blame Luke for Azeriuth, it's just the story almost immediately tells them that they are wrong doing so. The reason why the party stopped blaming Luke is because they found out that the whole thing was planned out from the start, because it was written in the Score. They didn't find out about it until after they reuinted with Luke.

>>3956217
>ignoring the fact that the party has more pressing matters than playing the blame game at that moment
>ignoring that ion also said he should have recognized what van was making luke do, trying to take partial responsibility for what happened
>ignoring that luke immediately starts denying he had any responsibility and tries to place the blame on van, and then lashes out at the party when they find his whining irritating
If he didn't whine then the party wouldn't think less of him, but he chose to be a child in that situation. Luke was the one who kept screaming that it wasn't his fault.

Guys
You should learn to listen >>3955083

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>>3955996
...but how. 70% of the game is just the party running around the world like headless chickens looking for the Sacred Beasts via rumors and asking a guy that knows a guy that knows a guy about a legend about them, and Veigue being too obtuse to realize his childhood friend has been replaced by a stranger.

>>3956041
Can't wait for Abyss' remaster when it's non-stop Akzeriuth discussion with retards self-inserting as Act 1 Luke thinking he did no wrong.

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>>3956139
Why would I seethe about my favorite game being the most popular? Has your programming broken, bot?

Everytime i hear about Abyss the less i care about playing it

>>3956398
>he lets online weirdos affect his taste in singleplayer JRPG experiences, while in a /vrpg/ quasi-general about the franchise at hand at that
I'm sorry for you fren.

>>3955988
>>3956314
>english-only retard also has shit taste
as expected

>>3956431
That sounds mighty racist of you, anone. Have you stopped to think that maybe we're all the same underneath? Want some pie?

>>3956266
Because he was in denial about what was just happened, also Luke himself thought that he was to blame. This is a guy that has nightmares anytime that he has to kill even it was in self-defense, and who is immature because he doesn't have much life experience, how would you have expected him to react?

>>3956266
>>ignoring that ion also said he should have recognized what van was making luke do, trying to take partial responsibility for what happened
Tries is the keyword here Anise literally stops him from pointing that out.

>>ignoring that luke immediately starts denying he had any responsibility and tries to place the blame on van, and then lashes out at the party when they find his whining irritating
And Luke is actually correct here as he literally had no control over his own body thanks to Van and Asch. His body was literally being controlled against his own will. The whole thing was a set up.

>>3955988
All jrpgs and japanese narrative in general is
>Don't destroy the enviroment (wars, pollution etc...)
>Racism is bad (figurative and not)
>Religious social control is bad
You can link all jrpgs in history to those three principles. Educate yourself.

>>3956509
>he was in denial
Not an excuse, maybe he shouldn't have been an insufferable retard for months if he didn't wanna be judged under those circumstances after pulling the trigger that murdered thousands.

>Akzeriuth discussion dies down
>wee hours in Trump Land
>anon resumes fuming about it
I'm noticing...

Famiclone Nes Phantasia is out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAZ17JIpKIo
https://retrogametalk.com/repo/nes-roms/tales-of-phantasia-nes-bootleg-english-patched/

>>3956558
Thanks, China

>>3956515
What exactly is your point? That any story covering these topics is automatically immune from criticism because they're staples of the genre?

>>3956317
>Act 1 Luke thinking he did no wrong.

He did do nothing wrong. He was tricked you fucking retard

>>3956548
>after pulling the trigger that murdered thousands.

he didn;t willinly pull the trigger, Van made Luke do it against Luke's will. It's like you are missing the entire point of the scene

>>3956314
>>3955988
I dont know why you have to exaggerate so much about a game that you dont like.

>>3956572
t. Act 1 Luke

>Luke, I wish you would have told us that you wanted to try to remove the miasma
>Luke, I get that you were trying to help but we didn't get to fully evacuate the citizens on time.
>Luke, yes, I agree that we also have to take some of the respo- and then Anise pulls Ion away because she deemed that it was a waste of time to talk to Luke in that state.
Luke was manipulated, no one is gainsaying that, the problem the party had is the way he responsed to the entire situation.

>>3956587
and yet scolded Luke when he said the whole thing was Van's fault

>>3956592
>doesn't tell anyone he wants to meet with van at akzeriuth
>ignores asch's warnings
>tells ion that it'll be fine if the seal to the sephiroth is opened despite having no idea what it's for
Yes he was tricked by Van but saying the whole thing was Van's fault is absurd, Luke had plenty of opportunities to talk to the party or back out.
>scolded luke when he said the whole thing was van's fault
He was acting like a child and throwing a tantrum

>>3956573
You've had 21 years to come to terms with the storyline and its themes. Keep coping however you want while Luke grows beyond you.

>>3956398
Which Tales games have you played? Abyss is genuinely top shelf stuff, and most of the time discussion about it is actually good. It's only that some times you get a resident autist obsessing over Luke doing nothing wrong, kind of the equivalent of the whole Zelos thing in Symphonia or whether Yuri is right/the third act falls off in Vesperia. Look beyond that and find a masterpiece of a JRPG.

>>3955988
i sadly have to agree. recently played it and it was just boring. i had fun grinding for a bit but ultimately the story was just drooping around. the only saving grace was mao-chan. gosh, what a cute shota. like, incredibly cute. every skit with him made me smile. when he started making up songs? yep, i got hard. i want to fuck mao-chan so bad. blast his little, cute, butthole while playing with his small feminine cock until he cums. nibbling on his ears and inserting my tongue while i gently pound his butt. i want to hear mao-chan moan..i finished the game for mao-chan but tales of rebirth was a very boring installment. but i have to thank it for introducing me to mao-chan.

>>3955994
why do you have to make this a political issue so fast? that the game is boring is true. it was so bad once, i almost fell asleep. it was some town on a huge hill and the priest was doing shady stuff. i honestly just dozed off a bit. i dreamt of mao-chan. stroking mao-chan through his silky red hair made him moan a little. he gradually became harder whenever i got a bit more forceful with his chest and nipples. circling his nipples, sometimes pinching them. i saw his precum already oozing through his blue shorts. ahh, jerking off mao-chan. sucking off mao-chan. cum, mao-chan..cum, cum..cum. good boy..no, good girl.

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>all this sudden Abyss discussion
I've actually started a new playthrough for the first time in a hot minute, and coming from Arise and even Berseria and Zestiria and such I had forgotten how the older games packed tons of detail in any one room. Take this Engenve farmhouse for example, you've got the mom cooking with a spatula (which is done on purpose and she comments on it being 'cause her ladle broke), the bags with the kitten plushies on the wall, the rappig drawing likely made by the girl framed above the books, the sack of potatoes, etc. there's another house with a camera angle change to a side room with the animated waterwheel mechanisms that's completely useless with no chests and no NPCs, and is there just to add detail. It shows the devs cared to make the world lived in, just like in https://youtu.be/jjFdgrgAYI8 and https://youtu.be/4LTH36YtkOg . We lost that, bros.

>>3955988
veigue is one of my favorite MCs

>>3956874
What do you like about him?

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Imagine the sex

Berseria was carried by the character, especially the secret underground tunnels autist.
The MC being so mad and edgy all the time was funny to me. it was cute when she finally calmed her tits a bit and started acting like a team mom. also she looked like she wanted to fuck the shota in every scene with both of them present
The gameplay was kinda bad desu.

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>>3956920
>also she looked like she wanted to fuck the shota in every scene with both of them present
Basically the only reason i started play the game.
Then i discovered eleanor. Thank god for eleanor.

Incoming trash.
https://x.com/ufotable/status/2039628968396312803

>>3956956
>Putting a loli front and center when they cannot do them any longer.
Fucking ironic.

>>3956956
>Rose as Zesty's heroine
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>3956965
There is disrespect, there is spitting on the tomb, there is pissing on a tomb, there is fucking the corpse inside the tomb and nutting inside, and then there is this.

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>>3956965
You WILL like Rose

>>3956956
>30th anniversary
>Instead of a big showcase of all the characters of all games just put some characters from the latest sloppa please, who gives a shit about our fans.
They are not getting a single cent from me till the day i die.

>>3956978
>"instead of a big showcase of all the characters of all games"
It's an Ufotable announcement so it shows characters from the Ufotable animated games + Symphonia: The Animation.

>>3956979
Oh, didn't think about that.
It's still shit for >>3956965 tho.

>>3956965
But she is the heroine