>>3945807
No hope.

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>>3945807
As disappointed as I have been with the story of Trails games since Ao, they will still be day 1 purchases for me. I enjoy the aesthetic, music, battle system, pleasant characters, the setting, etc. There just isn't anything else coming out that appeals to me besides MMO expansions.

The real question is what Falcom plans to do once they "end" the story. Trails is their flagship IP that has a loooooong tail, where if just one person finishes a Trails game and becomes a superfan, they buy 12 more games for $700. If Kondo actually terminates Trails, that long tail will begin to dissipate as Trails won't be in the news anymore and fewer and fewer people will enter the pipeline. And Trails was built up over 20 years. Falcom can't start a new RPG series and replicate the same profits in a short time frame.

>>3945853
I have zero faith that the series will end in a satisfying way. It will be a generic big battle where no one dies except the villain, just like Cold Steel 4.

>>3945856
Yes, that is a forgone conclusion. I fully anticipate all of the mass murdering Ouroboros people will get off scott free too.

>>3945859
It's wild to me how whitewashed Ouroboros has become. No one in the later games even mentions all the evil stuff they did, like exploiting a brainwashed child soldier (Joshua) or trying to destroy that city with an Earthquake generator.

I stopped playing the Kiseki series after the first trilogy. Might go back and play Zero & Ao someday but I have no interest in anything from Cold Steel onward.
Same goes for Ys. Love the old games, haven't played the newest ones, probably never will.
I love the prerendered sprites and low budget doujin game aesthetics of Falcom's early 2000s games. The newer games feel soulless to me by comparison, I can't vibe with them. I guess I'm in the minority though, I'm a jaded boomer.

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I still like Ys. It's not that they haven't adapted some of the more annoying aspects of falcom, but they managed to at least do it all in one game. That's really my big issue with Trails. It shouldn't take four games to tell the kinds of story they're telling and when NPCs have more of an arc than your party it's an issue. It's not world building to just sit in one place for 2000 hours saying the word ORBAL over and over.

>>3945902
>Might go back and play Zero & Ao someday
Save yourself the trouble. Zero recycles plot elements from Sky shamelessly and a lot of the lore doesn't make sense if you think about it for more than 20 seconds, but if you can overlook that it's not the WORST thing ever. Until Ao, where they start throwing in completely forced plot twists out of nowhere and ruin whatever joy you may have experienced from Zero.

Oh, and the art style sucks ass too.

>>3946198
Problem with Ys' is there's no point in playing any of the new ones if you've played Ys 8.
Falcom can't make money off the series no more.

>>3945807
If they learn from Sky 1st's success and start designing their new games like the games they're remaking, there's hope. Otherwise no. Just look at Calvard and Ys IX and X. Irredeemable trash. Especially the Ys games. Insulting to the franchise.

>>3946268
Trails is in a similar ditch minus the recent sky remake (future remakes will continue to plummet in sales)

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Hopefully, after the next Ys game and a remake of V, we get a game that concludes Adol's adventures, then Falcom can go and work on Sorcerian and some other stuff

>>3947312
a remake of 5 is likely but i don't see a point in giving Adol a permanent ending when the whole point is that he's just a generic Red Link avatar who goes on infinite adventures
and a real Sorcerian reboot would be cool but we'd be more likely to get something in the vein of Tokyo Xanadu where they reuse the name for a completely unrelated game

>>3947335
Adol already has a permanent ending, he died on a journey to, was it Antarctica? Though that was planned before Ys VI I think, that might have been retconned when that game was made.

Why did Falcom sales collapse between C2 and C3?

>>3947312
>we get a game that concludes Adol's adventures,
Adol's adventures don't ever end until well into his 60s

>>3947852
They don't end at all. What happens to him will just be another game, if they can get past the 13 year hoodie Adol they love so much. Fucking faggy Japan. I hate you.

>>3947852
>well into his 60s
Ys LXV: Voyage to Pharmacy
Ys LXVI: The Perils of a Broken Hip

>>3948451
He becomes Santa Clause

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Is there any hope of a international Brandish 3 release?

>>3945807
>>3946274
Falcom needs to stop with their declining music quality before we can see any hope.

>>3945902
At least go play Ys VIII which is falcom's best 3D game. It's also the last falcom game that has a truly great OST.

Just finished Ys Origin as Yunica. First Falcom game I've completed. Is it required that I beat the game as the other characters or would I be okay looking up the ending and moving onto the next game. Presumably I should go to Ys 1/2 next? I've got both a PCE CD and a PSP, which one should I play?

>>3949621
>Just finished Ys Origin as Yunica. First Falcom game I've completed.
both characters have different stories and when beaten by both, unlock adol in time attack

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>>3949621
If you enjoyed Origin so far you should definitely go back to it eventually, but you can take a break to play other games if you want
>Presumably I should go to Ys 1/2 next?
Yes
>I've got both a PCE CD and a PSP, which one should I play?
That's up to you. PCE is the definitive "old" version and plays perfectly fine. The remakes are very faithful though and look amazing.
I strongly prefer PC over PSP for the remakes just because it's less zoomed in and has the cool vintage UI border. If PSP is somehow your only option though it's still a fine way to play them.

>>3949621
All three story paths in Origin are pretty different. And fun.

>>3949710
>PC
Ys I + II Complete with the NightWolve translation or Ys I & II Chronicles+ (GOG)?
How do they differ anyway?

Kai was unambiguously good and Nordics was fun but not nearly as good as Dana.
They're in a good spot rn.

>>3945807
They're very competent Single A level developers that make fairly compact games on quick timelines for cheap.
They'll survive and keep making their games for longer than most companies that fly high and crash inevitably.
Nothing remarkably good, but nothing atrociously bad (usually).

haha that's our falcoom for ya!

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>>3949990
Emulate the PC Engine CD remake of I & II. It's one continuous game with the same progression, as opposed to separate games. Chronicles is a demake with worse combat and unholy amounts of bloat that kills the pacing.

>>3945807
I'm excited for Kyoto Xanadu.
Lost all faith in the trails series and will just watch a youtube recap to see how it ended.

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>>3950149
>They'll survive and keep making their games

>>3950290
>Chronicles is a demake with worse combat
incorrect
>and unholy amounts of bloat that kills the pacing.
where exactly? i don't remember this

>>3950361
>Chronicles is a demake with worse combat
This is factual. Play the PC Engine CD version.
>>and unholy amounts of bloat that kills the pacing.
Also factual. You don't remember it because you haven't played any other version. The Chronicles pacing is complete dogshit.

>>3949621
Same Anon here, I've also got an MSX2. After I play Ys 1 and 2 are there any Falcom games I should play on my MSX? Assuming it has any of the best versions of any Falcom games.

>>3950377
i have played the PCE version though and i don't remember the remakes having any notable "bloat" by comparison

>>3950399
It does. Unholy amounts of dialogue and new mandatory scenes. The entire intro of Ys I Chronicles is new and wastes your time. Lots and lots of new quests with endless yapping. Finding that faggy kid in the volcano in Ys II is an escort quest rather than just handing him an item. The combat is also outright worse and inconsistent.

I am back on this series due to there being nothing else to play
I am playing Dawnbreak 1 and then going straight to chronicles
But god its hard to get through
I hate how they make meaningless side quests mandatory to advance the plot
Shameless padding and filler
Most of the dialogue is entirely skippable
In fact it must be skipped
And many of the story sequences must "skip all"
To maintain my sanity and not alt-f4 in rage
Because apparently they don't care about boring you to death
Like cutting through layers and layers of fat to get to the meat of the game the good parts
But the game is pretty good
I like the kino combat animations at 120fps
These games require difficulty mods
But overall an immersive experience but its truly a statement on how uninamously bad all recent game releases are, that here I am playing Falcom slop again

>>3949616
No it isn't, the Ys series is made for 3 year olds
At least Trails is raunchy, Ys is literally made for kids, I find all Ys games to be unbearable

>> 3951180 (no (You), fag)
bait used to be believable

>>3951183
you play Ys for the gameplay, not the story
>I find all Ys games to be unbearable
have you played any of the pre-Seven games? have you played them on Nightmare?

>>3945807
I played through the series and made it to Daybreak, and I guess I'm burnt out because I'm not as into Daybreak like I was previous entries. I'm only on chapter 2, but I haven't been playing it as much as I did Reverie and previous games.

>>3951970
>pre-Seven games
>on Nightmare
I'm pretty sure 1-5 didn't have any difficulty settings until the shitty remakes.

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Still the best game to cater to my philosophical and metaphysical preferences (of ending this cursed Kali Yuga and remake the world) out there.

>>3952432
Felghana & Origin are the best Falcom games by a very large margin

>>3949992
Kai was good but Kuro 2 bombed so badly that Kai under performed despite it being a drastic improvement to the point where even bringing back the majority of the popular Cold Steel characters didn't help.

Sky remake did good so confidence in the franchise isn't totally dead but it's not clear if it's because word of mouth that Kai didn't suck got out or people just knew that Sky would be good regardless.

>>3952993
>Kai was good
>trolling outside of /b/

>>3952993
>popular Cold Steel characters
Then why did CS 3/4 bomb?

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>>3947340
The PC engine version of Ys 4 ends with Adol marrying Lilia from Ys 2.

>>3949621
While it isn't required it is highly recommended to do so after playing Ys I and II. Ys Origin is a great prequel that expands on the lore by telling the different and notably contradictory accounts of an event that laid down elements that were coincidental in the original games like the family lines that were tied to the mystery, artifacts, etc. Not that you ruined Ys 1 and 2 as an experience, but when played there was an element of discovery with finding the lost civilization of ancient Ys. I am of course very biased and all the connections could have similar payoffs the other way; and it doesn't really matter as Origins is plotwise an unnecessary prequel to the original two games.

But to answer your question: play Ys 1 and 2, both versions are fine. PC engine if you are interested in the best original hardware experience unless you are an autistic PC-88 fan. And Chronicles+ is the best version of the game, ignore bloat schizo, Chronicles+ is good, though I would recommend the PC version.

>>3949990
The differences between Chronicles and complete are very minor but most of them have to do with making small changes to the plot to be more in line with Ys 6's plot as that is the game that the larger Ys meta plot is working off of. The original plots to Ys 3, 4, and 5 did not have the conceit of Ys telling a broader story about an extinct race of winged gods. The biggest change that comes to mind is adding a small town where Adol wakes up in to explain how he got there and the abnormal weather that is isolating this area from help abroad.

>>3945902
You really should, the Crossbell Arc ties up some loose ends from the Liberl Arc in a very satisfying way.
Don't listen to this retard >>3946207

>>3953670
That was before Memories of Celceta became the canon version of Ys IV. By then, Mask of the Sun was Falcom's authorized canon version of Ys IV. Apparently, the story of Dawn of Ys was done by Hudson so it wasn't canon. Adding to this, I was disappointed with the source of Adol's amnesia in Memories of Celceta, I was expecting it to be a callback to Mask of the Sun by having Gadis, Bami, and Gruda, beat him to near death.

>>3953682
Just finished Ys 1 on PCE, I can see why Origins would hit harder if you played 1 first but my enjoyment of Origins was what pushed me to stick through the rougher edges. Still extremely playable for an RPG from 87. Onto 2.

>>3950149
series sales were down the drain before sky remake (they'll drop down again after SC)

>>3953670
So does the PC Engine CD remake of Ys I and II.

>>3945807
Yeah but they need to cut their loses and end the trails series asap.

>>3955398
Every other game flops compared to trails (yes trail is also flopping).
Death spiral.

>>3945807
because they make their letters in colors you don't like?

Grabbed the EGG Console versions of Ys MSX2 and Revival Xanadu on a whim as an excuse to practice my barely mediocre Japanese, honestly more fun than I expected them to be (even if Xanadu kicks my ass despite getting the Easy Ver). La Valse Pour Xanadu's stuck in my head, very memorable melody even if it sounds a bit offputting at times. Any tips for Xanadu's early game? I went all in on STR and MAG while somewhat neglecting the rest of the stats, save for giving CHR a small bump. Did I fuck up already?

>>3957079
At this point, they're pretty much entirely propped up by the western market. They lost the Chinese market to gacha shit and the Japanese console market is way too normie to buy their kind of games anymore. Sad times to be an otaku-centric dev in Japan. You spent decades cultivating a certain appeal to your games only to see your own domestic market move away from it.

>>3958882
CS2 killed interest in the chinese AND japanese markets. They hate each other but CS2 united them.

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>>3945807
It's doing pretty good since Sky 1st released. There's hope.

The only hope for Failcom is that they finally go bankrupt and take their shit budget games with them.

>>3948451
I have NEVER played an Ys game and I played most of the classical JRPGs growing up. I'm not sure if I want to get into it or not. It appeals to me and I can't explain why. Also I remember liking but not understanding Brandish when I was little, thinking it was too different from what I would normally play so I left it behind.

Why does this company specifically have so many A-logs on this board? I've never seen this level of irrational hatred for Falcom anywhere else online

>>3959950
90% of Kisekifags in 4chan are genuinely mentally ill and Kiseki tickles their autism in a way no other series does, but some game or arc inevitably burns them and thus they develop a burning hatred for this small niche company.

>>3945807
They need to appeal to the west to sell more games, and the best way to do this is with the remakes

>>3960645
Lost my train of thought: appeal to the west with remakes, rake in money to hire new talent, make sure to treat employees better than Kato did do you do not lose so many almost legendary creators and musicians, and either let them work on new IPs or revive old shit like Sorcerian and Brandish.
If current Falcom did that, people would complain it feels like Trails.

Also, some of you guys seem to be stuck in the last decade. Sales for these games keep going down because they are niche even in their home market and because the Japanese market is skewed heavily towards mobile gaming. They outspend china on chinese gachas. Falcom has to be sagacious enough to develop games as they have for their JP market but keeping in mind their main demographic is the west, or they get bought up by Nintendo/try and make a big push into Nintendo’s market, which they have been doing with mixed results since they have been tied with Sony for so long with their main moneymaker (Kiseki). But that’s just to keep being relevant in Japan which seems harder and harder these days, even for big series. Dragon Quest seems to be the exception.

>>3960654
>Also, some of you guys seem to be stuck in the last decade. Sales for these games keep going down because they are niche even in their home market and because the Japanese market is skewed heavily towards mobile gaming
They're also down because Japan is *old*. In 2005, Japan's median age was 42 which is a really good place to be because the majority of people who buy games are in their 30s and 40s. And this continued into the 2010s with the median age only rising to 45.

However in 2026, the median Japanese person is well above 50 and almost a third of the population is living on some kind of fixed-income pension. The game buyers of yesteryear are either pensioners or desperately trying to save everything they can for retirement. What little earning power is left gets eaten up by ballooning taxes to pay for the pensioner class. There's simply not the kind of buying power for games and consoles that there was in the 2000s and 2010s.

Meanwhile the US has a median age of 39. It's literally the perfect market to sell into which is why every Japanese game studio is desperate to market their shit here nowadays.

>>3950353
take this random graph that i shat out of my ass

>>3960661
Console gaming has been growing over there, but it's insanely Nintendo and normie-centric now.

>>3945807
I don't think I've played a single Falcom game in my entire life.

Ouroboros is just terrible. Immediately turned into dindu comic relief after one game.

I love Trails

>>3967423
No, you must have. Probably by accident. One of the first games I've played on the Sega Master System was the first Ys, and I was less than seven years old at that point.

>>3968481
Falcom's an obscure dev. Not culturally relevant.

>>3968613
Sad,
Trails FC+SC were legitimately great games.

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>>3967567
>this is what you fags love so much

>>3968481
the highest selling falcom game of all time (at least publicly stated) is Ys8 at around 700k sales. You overestimate Falcom's relevance

>>3945807
I hope they stay around. Trying Sky FC last year was a pleasant experience and I'm interesting in continuing the Trails series as well as playing their other games. I might try Kyoto Xanadu when that comes out.

>>3973734
>and I'm interesting in continuing the Trails series as well
Oh yeah that's how they get. This is insidious.

>Ys Origin is a great prequel that expands on the lore
Origin is considered a melodramatic, glorified fan fiction by Japanese purists of the first two games, written by people who know nothing about the series' true "origin" and that completely ignores the established lore.

>>3953687
>The differences between Chronicles and complete are very minor
Chronicles is just Complete with the choice of newer art and an arranged soundtrack by Jindo. It was originally done as a PSP port of Complete. You can access everything in Complete by playing Chronicles.

>The biggest change that comes to mind is adding a small town where Adol wakes up in to explain how he got there and the abnormal weather that is isolating this area from help abroad.
Yes, all that was already in Eternal (1998) and Complete (2001) by extension.

>to be more in line with Ys 6's plot as that is the game that the larger Ys meta plot is working off of.
The new staff's half-assed attempt to tie everything back to the Winged Ones with Ys VI was the worst, including the change they made to Galbalan's lore in Felghana.

>>3973966
>Origin is considered a melodramatic, glorified fan fiction by Japanese purists of the first two games
Just like the Ys I & II PC remakes.

>>3973520
Ys8 is a genuinely good game.

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>>3958871
Holy fucking shit someone is talking about Xanadu yippie!!!!
Okay anon, I personally recommend maxing out CHR early on with some points into STR and MAG. DEX can be low, I personally never bother putting a single point into MGR. You'll want some agility too. The game purposefully spreads your starting stats thin, but equipment is uber important in Xanadu so that's why I say max out Charisma. Also! Sell the spectacles you start with and buy some bottles, they lower the price of gear even more while active, and become more effective as you use them because all items get better as you use them in Xanadu. Oh, and make sure you always kill the last enemy in combat with melee, otherwise you won't get their item drop, just money.

>put Kai on hold after 10h
>replaying Kuro 1 instead
I just can't stand the constant Rean- and Van- wankery they got in Kai.
>haha that's our Van...
>haha that's our Rean...
>I should be thanking YOU
>do you remember Class 7?... haha....
NO AND I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WE HAD 5 GAMES WITH CLASS 7 IT IS TIME TO STOP
Kai is also unbearably slow even for kiseki.
Kuro 1 on the other hand
>good pacing for kiseki
>great banter
>fresh cast
a blast to play. Probably the best of nuFalcom.

>>3978243
Why the fuck won't Rean go away?
Lloyd and especially Estelle don't get near the amount of love Rean gets. I'm tired of Rean. We only got free of him for 2 games before he forced his way back into an MC role again. Fuck off Rean!

>>3979312
Kondo's self insert

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Rean derangement syndrome is very real. Rean's arc ended 4 years ago. Since then 2 games came out already that don't have Rean and they STILL just want to talk about Rean. How does he do it?

>>3978243
you could really tell that they expected to fanservice to completely carry kai until the end

>>3978243
Bro, Daybreak is one of the worst games in the series. Dogshit progression system. Dogshit, barebones combat system. Dogshit setting. Dogshit writing. At least Horizon has good combat and progression.

>>3979312
Quintessential early 2010s power fantasy protagonist.

>>3979356
Rean is in Kai and the FC remake you fucking secondary

>>3979521
Did they actually put him in the remake? Lmao

After playing the Cold Steel arc, I now understand that meme on vrpg years ago where people kept spamming Rean

>>3979551
the sword of biting gale greentext is only barely exaggerating
love this retard series though, Kai is legit good
pretty sure we're going to see the Wind Septerrion in Calvard as well

>>3979688
>Kai is legit good
Only if you ignore everything other than the combat system and the first and last 30 minutes of the story. Everything else about it is genuinely pointless. None of the characters had to return, and the second round of new Team Rocket is a complete joke.

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Toewacutest!

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>>3980932
Towadeadest!!!!!LOL!!!!!!!

>>3981021
The only fact that matters: she's a dumb whore.

>>3981021
>pic
...don't tell me you wouldn't

>>3979528
Financial data shows the presence of Rean improves profits by 5%. Sorry bub, it's business.

>>3981087
Too bad that didn't help Horizon, haha... Van shaves 95% off your profits.

>>3981466
If their sales continue to collapse will they remake Cold Steel?

What makes Falcom games good? Why such a devoted cult fanbase?

>>3983555
>trails/kiseki
Mental illness

>ys
People like to play a chill game every now and again

>xanadu
Idk

>popful mail
Gigachads

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>>3945807

>>3983849
Nice. Although you should expect zero re-investing from their part towards the betterment of any of their series or experimenting with new IPs. Falcom is the most risk averse company ever.

>>3983849
1227% of almost zero is still close to zero

>>3984595
It was down 87% last year. Do the math and it's really just an increase from 2024 by like 35 - 40%, which isn't great considering they released a new game worldwide day 1 on every platform, and a localization on every platform as well.

>>3983849
Thank you, Bestelle, for saving Falcom and Kiseki!

>>3945807
>1Y stock
>+98%

>>3986994
>>3983849
segs lolis will save Falcom. nevermind their shit translators.

>>3945807
I've never played a game from this company that was more than a 7/10.

>>3990351
Rean games are 9/10 AT LEAST you dishonest troll

>>3990371
The Rean games are the worst ones.

>>3990371
CS3 and 4 are like 5/10s at best

>>3945807
Haha...

>>3945807
make the Gurumin art design their house style and maybe.

>>3950353
isn't this only retail sales? meaning it completely ignores digital sales which have only been growing for the past 10-15 years. not to mention the series is bigger than ever outside of japan. if anything it's completely abnormal that most of falcom's profits until now have come from their domestic market when most JRPG companies like square or sega make like 80%+ of revenue from the international sales.

>>3992311
Their digital market in Japan has historically been tiny - like 10-15% of sales if I remember the interview bit with Kondo from back in the day. This falls in line with PS4 and Vita statics from the 2010s. Falcom's platforms of choice just didn't incentivize much in the way of digital sales in Japan.

>>3992373
Found the tweet. This is from 4 years ago, but it shows the general trend that physical sales were the vast majority of sales in Japan - with digital and downloaded titles being 20% tops:

https://x.com/michsuzu/status/1603277241970221056

Absolutely no one must have played proud nordics because no one has mentioned that the new final boss dragon has big physiczing titties

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Married couple to be

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I like Rean

>>3992625
what the fuck is a greon

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>>3992646

>>3992657
answer the fucking question

I've played Book 1 & 2 and Origin, I want to check out the whole series eventually but VIII looks really good and I'd like to try a modern style; are there any particular entries that I should ideally play beforehand to get the references?

playing Horizon and legit having a good time

>>3992933
It crashed like 20 times on me on ps4.

>>3992666
Literally no clue what you're talking about

>>3993326
Fie's newest S-Craft is Azure Greon
what the fuck is a greon

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>>3993333
Maybe it's just a shitty translation from green or something? ¨Azurooh Greonoh¨.

Kinda like how Roses of May turned into Loss of Me.

>>3983849
Currently playing Sky remake, planning to continue to SC when it comes out.
Can i play Crossbell before 3rd or should i finish the trilogy first?

>>3993595
3rd is not optional, and it's not a bad game as long as you know what to expect. It's very different from the first two. If you're a Kingdom Hearts fan, it's like the Chain of Memories of Trails.

>>3993750
>3rd is not optional
Yeah it is.
The main story is pretty shit and most of the door events is just fluff.

>>3993595
Play SCremake THEN Cold Steel 1 and 2, then 3rd, then Zero and Ao, then release order
you are almost replicating how people who liked the series when it was first TL'd played it
>>3993595
>>3993888
3rd is one of the best games in the series why would you skip it

>>3993991
>>3993750
I'm not touching anything CS again after 1 and a bit of 2, sorry.

>>3994087
Kai is Cold Steel 6/Hajimari 2/Crossbell 3
You can't escape it

Since the beginning of this year, I've played Sky FC remake, Sky SC, Sky the 3rd, Zero, Ao, and Cold Steel 1-3. I'm on Cold Steel 4 now.

I'm having fun, Trails has been more enjoyable than I thought it would be. Crossbell games were the weakest, but still not bad.

>>3994088
I can just skip Daybreak games altogether
I don't want to experience Rean anymore

>>3994280
well you might aswell just quit the series entirely because rean is basically the companies mascot at this point and they'll wank him off for the rest of the series

>>3994287
>basically the companies mascot
That's Towa.

>>3994502
she's dead bro
egalitarian robots pretending to be racists shot her

Reminder that when a Falcom game features
>a bullshit dungeon that has no direct link with the plot
>more minigames than usual
it was released to meet the yearly quota and is 100% skippable.
Games that match this are Sora3, Haji and Kai.

>>3994861
nah the dungeons are the best part. I install difficulty mods and min/max to beat bosses on the highest difficulty, because the combat/rpg system is solid.
some story parts are kino but the "4SPGs" are horrible and I skip through them as fast as possible

I'm playing Azure and the last chapter is very very long.