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>>2374375
Sorry, couldn't think of a new meme.

https://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf - Nixon characterization doc for writers. It's what you think it'll be.
https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.png - Vote Pig Nixon tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/xkpm9x.png - VP flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/9i9y7d.png - VP Hawaii crisis.
https://files.catbox.moe/go9tnq.png - VP Reuther tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/sl8afo.jpeg - VP Wallace tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/r8c6i3.jpg - VP Goldwater tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/ez4g4c.png - VP Schlafly path. Peak evil Republican fascism let's go!
https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.png - VP Yorty tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/3v5h8h.pdf - Yorty Doc.
https://files.catbox.moe/m1i3hv.jpg - VP 2024 partial rework leak, Republicans weren't evil enough.
https://files.catbox.moe/9i9y7d.png - VP 2025 events leak.
https://files.catbox.moe/iwmxg6.pdf - Manchuria doc #1.
https://files.catbox.moe/cgaqrz.pdf - Manchuria doc #2.
https://files.catbox.moe/y2hc34.pdf - Manchuria doc #3.
https://files.catbox.moe/96kjev.pdf - Manchuria doc #5.
https://files.catbox.moe/71ilh5.png - Central America design.
https://files.catbox.moe/hi1h3m.png - China flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/3n9lq9.pdf - New Granada walltext.
https://files.catbox.moe/r86sw7.pdf - 200p wall of text about Colombian soccer mechanics.
https://files.catbox.moe/9nqmlk.pdf - Iberian Wars rework document.
https://files.catbox.moe/5anjuv.png - 5 new Caribbean nations flowchart
https://files.catbox.moe/nlrpjl.pdf - British West Indies lore document
https://files.catbox.moe/s9rx4e.pdf - GGR Constitution for TNO.
https://files.catbox.moe/ptvdb1.pdf - Old Indonesia proposal.

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>>2374375
New leaks from the last thread, will be sorted later.

https://files.catbox.moe/dn6eha.png - UK re-rework chart.
https://files.catbox.moe/wygn37.png - Zollverein mechanic.
https://files.catbox.moe/tzqmdt.png - Guyana flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/h1e8ew.png - Humphrey in the US rework. Do not share!
https://files.catbox.moe/v47bjy.png - Reagan tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/8edmqf.png - Reagan Mechanic...?
https://files.catbox.moe/egyad1.pdf - McGovern 54 page campaign document.
https://files.catbox.moe/jbimjj.png - Old jfk flowchart. Cringey.
https://files.catbox.moe/r7l32u.png - Stevenson focus tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/7nxnlv.png - Finland re-re-rework. Dev reads the thread.
https://files.catbox.moe/knh9ax.png - Tanganyka flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/f9vryd.png - Full Iberia flowchart. Releasing December 2025.
https://files.catbox.moe/p77eoj.png - Iberia stuff #2.
https://files.catbox.moe/hfk4zw.png - Iberia stuff #3.
https://files.catbox.moe/rwnlai.png - Iberia stuff #4.
https://files.catbox.moe/td9n9k.png - Iberia stuff #5.
https://files.catbox.moe/pqyhzn.png - Romania re-rework flowchart. 4chan wins again.
https://files.catbox.moe/qsd9cg.png - Germany just nukes Russia in 1963 now, RIP.
https://files.catbox.moe/tkxwrq.png - Moscowien rework #13.
https://files.catbox.moe/zls2jx.png - Partial Italy rework #10+ flowchart.

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>>2374375
>LEAKED BUILDS
Don't let them erase history. Added 2025 builds.
2018: https://mega.nz/file/nRhmFShK#rjgJXFH5fh7Y9tfIxtH47YuuOOeJhylhrcJfujCdgcg
2021: https://gitlab.com/IllyaTokar/git-days-of-europe
2022: https://gitlab.com/retardedsolutions/git-days-of-europe/
2023:
https://mega.nz/file/bBFGHZJT#a4lNsnLLzHWHG1iic5yHwgL1kK1VAE5qmT2Iqi7k2EM - Hotline Manchukuo
https://mega.nz/file/TIMmVBKC#939MhfLfR3G0UQdenlK0R5AY54x8lGlnSs42H8BzHhw - Illusions End
https://mega.nz/file/SBtSmZAD#CDYh4s4SBz3GjvBSOjOpQ4RnGgaDhnq39ehNTVFzbhs - Penelopes Web
https://mega.nz/file/CZt1CZwa#O0Yfzil-VqfJBwH_yuWvGkbDK5XF7DG5iM7rdO-rqdg - Germany Branch
https://mega.nz/file/SJ0HjDrC#jeTd9dcOuCeNpAZvrM_tFJjaSKjWLhVpSibBVqj_eWg - Shifting Tides
2025:
https://mega.nz/file/zlZxGZyD#VPPY81gjxfLz7q7ehZ-wKhiw8Dd7eQm9m7M1JRFSLIA - US rework branch.
https://mega.nz/file/v5pkzT4Q#YGc0xHjf5ypdI8ccky7fL06lS9fnMLSoqqE2MUSqeWc - Turkey branch.

Anons have requested the old DV leaks. If you still have the content from them, please repost them as the TNO jannies shut it down.
Anons have also requested a full Hall chart or document leak. Please share if you have them.

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>>2374375
>DEAD MOD NEWS
>TNO suffers its biggest leak since 2024 with multiple Git branches, flowcharts and documents being released to the public.
>Iberia's update has been delayed by two more months, reportedly stalled.
>Mango has promised to step down as Fuhrer of TNO once the US rework is complete.
>Dev claims that Mango is siphoning resources from other teams to finish the US rework while most of the mod remains unplayable.
>US rework internally scheduled for a Q4 2026-Q1 2027 release.
>Earlier leak confirm that Germany will pull a Haiti and just nuke Gorky for some reason.
>Competency crisis: Devs claim they can't push updates because unfinished Iberia content is still on master, can't operate a Git.
>TNO fixes its naval bug and thus becomes barely playable more than a hundred days after the reduxes fixed this issue.
>Italy rework revived along with Red Italy after years of inactivity.
>Team member/leaker alleges that the old Italy lead was shadowbanned. Unproven, treat it accordingly.
>4chan successfully bullies TNO's head janny Kateryna into reworking several of his tags.
>TNO jannies once again confirmed to frantically F5 this thread in an effort to ban leakers from Discord.
>Leaker anons claim to have multiple more flowcharts and builds.
>TFO lost its main coder but eventually regained one meaning that we may receive new island teasers in the future.
>Anons discover that the TNO TV Tropes page pre-emtpively write as if their reworks have released leading to many a laugh.

>REAL MOD NEWS
>PNO, the true successor to TNO, releases a teaser for its post-Plankton warlord era content in "Shifting Tides".
>Rises Again starts work on a Dengist Speer update.
>Rises Again pledges to reverse Pacifica's decision to remove Vladimir Putin from the timeline, will be a character in their mod.
>Requiem releases a warlord intro for Berezniki.

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>>2374380
ADDENDUM TO REQUESTS: TNO: Rises Again is looking for icon artists that know how to work using TNO's Panzer-era style. There, now you won't have to repost it.

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>>2374383
I'd just like to clarify that Putin will play a very minor role in an edge scenario, he takes over Beloretsk if Russia collapses after losing the 2WRW, and his portrait is dependent on the ideology that unified Russia. This is his current communist portrait, but without the hat it'll also be the portrait for most warlords. New hat being made for this portrait.
>>2374388
Seconding this.

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>>2374392
And a guide on clothing colors like the ones for colorizing clothes as parts of portrait would also be appreciated.

>>2374392
>Tons of Putins based on who you lost as
That's a pretty funny Easter egg.

>>2374392
Terrible portrait. The angle, pose and lighting of the hat don't match him at all.

>>2374383
The wanton nuking like with Haiti, Gorky, etc is pretty kino imo. Shows that there's disregard for collateral damage and civilian lives and reminds of the Panzer era

>>2374375
forgot the slovakia flowchart
https://files.catbox.moe/qn8otq.png

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>>2374401
This has been said before. It's sadly not intentional kino though, you're meant to feel sad about how evil everyone the dev disagrees with are. It's more like how Emperor Nixon is likely going to be incredibly funny despite just being a prolonged TDS meltdown.

>>2374401
You just know it's them taking the wrong lesson from Requiem.
>THE CHUDS LIKE NUKES?
>WE NUKED HAITI AND GORKY ARE YOU HAPPY NOW CHUDS

I'm going to say it again. It is really INTERESTING how irrelevant Nazi Germany being the world's superpower seems to be for the leaked plans of the US/Central America, at best you get a reheated
>"his plan is to defeat THE SOVIETSwas-"
that they word swap with the word fascism, other than that, the presence of Nazi Germany and their supposed, possible influence doesn't matter at all
They got in so deep of showcasing the evils of Cold War Amerika and their evil deeds and the upheaveals of the 1960s that they quite literally lost the plot of Germany winning WW2

>>2374405
Funny if true. I doubt it since they've done a lot of heavy handed moralizing before it released but you can't rule it out.

>>2374407
It's because nudevs just want to write about their own personal politics.

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>>2374380
>Anons have requested the old DV leaks. If you still have the content from them, please repost them as the TNO jannies shut it down

DV is one of the best things that ever happened with TNO btw
https://files.catbox.moe/4fxdxv.png Uganda
https://files.catbox.moe/nnubho.png Kenya
https://files.catbox.moe/66gs4a.png Zanzibar
https://files.catbox.moe/n7zxyc.png Liberia
https://files.catbox.moe/xhhu3n.png South Africa
+ picrel as catbox somehow corrupts this particular picture

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>>2374392
Vladimir's Seed & Feed, Formerly Panzer's.

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>>2374416
The cap if you wanna use it for any of your projects. Keep in mind these portraits were made were Photoshop instead of paint.net
>Why?
Just because I felt like it

>>2374411
>DV is one of the best things that ever happened with TNO btw
You better explain your reasoning.

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>>2374420
nayrt but hear me out: It completely killed the mod and made laughing at TNO go mainstream. Its announcement alone gave us more entertainment than anything they've released (short list I know) since Guangdong.

I've seen mentions of the 1980 USA candidates being already decided on the last thread, does anybody know who are they?

>>2374420
Already explained, main reason is that im not a complete retard that likes the current state of Africa and unrealism in general.
>>2374424
Thanks for including people with trans flags in bio and that one mexican guy speaking broken english.

>>2374411
>DV is one of the best things that ever happened with TNO btw
Crazy how the only people to get and leak shit are the ones smart enough to like DV.

>>2374429
>unrealism
But TNO's definition of realism is retarded and constantly shifting.
The team's idea of what realism is varies about as wildly as a woman's mood. To Lam, Germany's sphere being unbreakable is le realism. To kateryna, Sweden, despite being surrounded by German puppets or allies, never deviating from the OTL Social Democrats or conservatives and also being allowed to set up a nuclear program without panzers driving into Scania is le realism. To Mango, a random republican activist who had no Presidential ambitions being elected and then becoming a fascist, and the US nuking Haiti when they could easily win a conventional war in a couple days is le realism. To whoever took over the Russia team after Corn went AWOL, Russia suddenly becoming tired when it hits almost its OTL boundaries and then relying on "conditionally loyal" Balt, Caucasian and Ukrainian partisans (which can somehow fight Germany and win at that point, whereas if Ukraine wins earlier, a non-canon nuke is dropped on Kyiv and it immediately folds) is le realism.
Realism means [thing the lead in question likes].
DV doesn't think about butterfly effects or even basic cause and effect. [Thing] happened in OTL so it will happen in TNOTL. The laziest, historical deterministic shit you've ever seen.

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You now remember
>chilean antarctica

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>>2374416
Formerly Yeltsin's. I regret to inform you that the Vlad Tamzarian portrait will not be making an official appearance in TNO:RA

>>2374431
Nobody would even give a shit about DV if Calph wasn't personal friends with Mango who can whip every other team into accepting it being shoved down their throats, forcing them to further rework their reworks. It would rightfully be mocked as babby's first submod.

>>2374392
Full Putin path when?

>>2374431
Yeah because all devs that aren't shills for DV got purged. We know this.

>>2374432
Your realism ends where a lead dev's politics begins.

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>>2374433
You now remember
>the lolsuit threat against the wiki

>>2374392
Nobody cares about your shitty submod ugly ass portrait.

Italy flowchart guy my offer still stands if you want to reach me via discord my name thingy is doctoragor.

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>>2374452
lol calm down

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>>2374452
>Be a salty TNO dev
>Doesn't even know what a submod is

>>2374432
>Germany's sphere being unbreakable is le realism
It is breakable. Romania, Sweden, Finland, etc.
>Sweden, despite being surrounded by German puppets or allies, never deviating from the OTL Social Democrats or conservatives
Why would people living in a stable democracy deviate to the extremist ideologies?
>being allowed to set up a nuclear program without panzers driving into Scania is le realism
Their nuclear program is being conducted in a total secrecy. Its being revealed during a Kampfzeit, when the german leadership is disunited and doesnt control the army. Nukes are insanely easy to produce, so whoever comes on top will meet a sufficient nuclear arsenal.
>To Mango, a random republican activist who had no Presidential ambitions being elected and then becoming a fascist
I dont know much about US politics as im not ftom the US, but judging by her Wikipedia page she sounds like a prominent conservative activist. And she wont become a fascist.
>when they could easily win a conventional war in a couple days
They couldnt, because the US never wants to commit itself into a conventional war. Thats why Vietnam, Korea, Nicaragua, etc were all losses. Nuke is a cheap and easy way to win any war without full commitment.
>DV doesn't think about butterfly effects or even basic cause and effect
Most parts of Africa have a different starting situation from OTL, not even mentioning the outcome.

>>2374486
We know it's you, Kateryna. You always come here to defend your own and your friends "work" in your usual style whenever they get leaked and made fun of for being terrible. Go back to your Devcord, shit like pretending that DV isn't just pure otlism and that nuking Haiti is strategically sound are just dead giveaway that you're an arch-dev.

Can't believe that the most conservative path in Mango's TNO is fucking Goldwater plus Schafly. At least Universal Segregation Wallace plus Schafly made sense as the third worst possible ending, but this is ridicolous.

>>2374378
> UK re-rework
that's the same chart thats been floating around here for 2 years

>>2374510
i think Schlafly only being a reaction to a particularly liberal candidate like Burton or JFK makes sense. Goldwater also works bc according to the yippie doc he's basically repeatedly giving evangelicals the middle finger by his second term

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>>2374514
Also before i forget, apparently TMT's scope is being expanded to include some ukraine stuff?

>>2374486
hi Kat
kill yourself

>>2374522
>Ukraine lead got purged and Kat did a hostile takeover
Bleak

>>2374514
It's an expansion of the old thing with some tweaks. It's only extraordinary in how much time Frost pissed away to do so little.

>>2374522
>The nanny is reworking the entire reich sphere by himself at this point
lmao. Since you're reading this: you better let factions other than the RK win.

>>2374531
At least it's a sign of life from the Ukraine team i guess.

>>2374486
>It is breakable. Romania, Sweden, Finland, etc.
ALL OF THE THINGS YOU'RE WORKING ON YOU RETARDED TRANNY
IF ANYONE ELSE WHO WASN'T BUTTBUDDIES WITH THE LEADS PROPOSED SUCH A THING THEY'D BE STEAMROLLED BY LAM
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOUR FIEF-BASED DEVELOPMENT CYCLE
FUCK YOUR RETARDED FASCINATION WITH BORING ASS SOCIAL DEMOCRATS AND CONSERVATIVES
FUCK SWIGGERS

>>2374538
No, this is a sign that Ukraine content will be nonstop coal going forward (also maybe Ukraine Nuke will get removed now because Kat is friends with Lam)

>>2374486
So how does your arrangement with Lam work?

Do you send him images of your dick saying its your pussy or sum? Or why does he give you so much freedom while noone else gets it.
Did you promise to suck his dick when the estrogen "therapy" is over?

>>2374538
>Last lead dead
>New lead is the most hated guy on the team
Fuck it, bring back Corn. All is forgiven. We were wrong. We didn't know how good we had it. At least he was fun.

>>2374548
nayrt but the way it works on the team is way more simple. Friends of leads get it their way, people who aren't don't. You just need to be involved with the ascendant circle. I don't think it's even structured in any way, they just do these things instinctively. Because most of them are teens or just about. It's not complicated why you get highschool drama politics.

>>2374544
I just meant that they're actually getting something in TMT after being presumed dead, no comment on what comes after

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TNO: Rises Again Dengist Speer toozer

>>2374522
What's TMT?

>>2374566
Based. I think having the red focus line cut between the branches is an interesting choice.

>>2374489
>>2374526
>>2374542
>>2374548
Its funny how it takes one white man with a triple digit iq making a basic conclusion to trigger 4 retarded shitskins with this one post only.

>>2374574
iberia update, The Modern Tordesillas

>>2374582
At least you're admitting that YWNBAW. Brave move for a janny.

>>2374566
Oooh shiny

>>2374584
>Delayed again
>Now merged with a Ukraine rework
It's dead. Just pull the plug already. Worst part is that Iberia at least looked ok.

>>2374542
Autistic sperging.

>>2374588
Eh, the mechanic they're adding was already finished development wise. Maybe I'm coping but it shouldn't slow it down too much

>>2374592
Just a few pieces of Brazil loc left.
V&J in 2025.
Iberia is in fine tuning.

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>EaW's April Fools event has more content than anything TNO has put out since Guangdong
When is this mod going to get put out of it's misery?

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>>2374594
>V&J in 2025.
Damn I’m going to need some serious transportation to get the update then

>>2374407
In some ways I think it makes sense that Nazi Germany wouldn't be too involved in Latin American affairs. The racial nature of the regime, plus its belief in autarky means in most cases they probably wouldn't bother trying to fuck around in LatAm. That would be more Japan and the Iberian Union.

I think the main place Germany would both fucking around with would be Venezuela, just to have access to the oil there just in case.

>>2374486
>They couldnt, because the US never wants to commit itself into a conventional war.
Kat, the US occupied all of Haiti for almost 20 fucking years from the 1910s-1930s most the time with just 100 marines.
The USA literally waged and won guerilla wars in Haiti in real life, decades prior to the game taking place.

>>2374653
But they barely do anything with it. Germany winning the war is a footnote in the lore most of the time outside of Europe. Not only is new content actively avoiding recognizing the setting of the mod but they're actively removing old content for the same purpose. These are the worst, most creatively bankrupt people ever.

>>2374411
Wait a minute, why the fuck is Ghana independent if Britain is a Nazi puppet?
You're telling me that fascist Britain still allows Kwame Nkrumah to peacefully leave the empire?
Is this version of Nkrumah a warlord? Why the fuck is he still in charge?

>>2374662
Because it's good and realism that OTL things happen.

>>2374661
That's why Germany owning Africa was so important. Because while it does make sense that the Nazis wouldn't really fuck around with East Asia or the Americas, they need to be involved somewhere for them to actually be a major faction gameplay-wise.
Africa was a good place for that. It made a bit of sense, it was a place they'd be able to conquer and would lead into their whole autarky mindset.
Plus it's just a naturally horrific image which really makes TNO stand out.

Now Germany is essentially going to be a non-factor. They won't have a civil war, won't lose parts of their European sphere, and won't be involved in the stories of literally anywhere else.

>>2374662
In all fairness It wasn’t a peaceful exit, Nkrumah launched a domestic revolution that was going to be crushed by a anglo french coalition but it was stoped by the US navy, who decided it would just be better to cut their losses

>>2374670
Good point.
But if we're getting into the territory of the US stopping the Europeans from influencing Africa, wouldn't both the US and Japan probably ensure all of West Africa be already independent?
Because the Vichy French and puppet British won't have any authority, in a Axis victory you'd think the Europeans would have lost practical control over West Africa by 1962

>>2374660
It is not like 30 years has passed and things like modern firearms and ideological indoctrination became widespread? Its not like the domestic and foreign policy of the US has changed with more sympathy towards darkies? Fucking moron. Why did France lost to Vietnam when they defeated it in 1874 with only 300 man duh? Must be bad writing. Stupid fucking nigger.
>>2374675
Revolution in Ghana succeded only because Britain had to deal with uprising at home. Vichy France was intact. Nigerians didnt care to revolt, because Nigeria itself is an artificial country. Britain and France are weak at home, but strong in their colonies, because Germany allows them to be.

>>2374685
Kat, the advancing of time makes US control over Haiti easier, not harder.
Haiti is a dirt poor island nation with only one neighbor, who doesn't allow border crossings.
This means that guerillas would have nowhere to hide, and no way to get more supplies. And they also wouldn't have any meaningful amount of weapons to begin with.

France lost in Vietnam since Vietnam is 10 times larger both in population and geography and had a direct land border with nations who could easily smuggle in guns.
It and a hypothetical Haitian war would have nothing in common. Hell, Haiti doesn't even real have jungles. The people have already clean-cut their half of the island. Meaning they'd be easily targeted by air power.

If you, and the dumbasses on your mod team, think that the US wouldn't be able to control Haiti, then why the fuck would Vichy France and Germany have any shot at controlling Madagascar? A land which is more populous, more large, further away from the homeland of the nations involved, and with worse terrain for an occupying force?

>>2374662
in 1956 Britain has a civil war. Ghana breaks free during that. The collab government wins the civil war and begins preparation to retake it. The plan is abandoned when the ofn promises to protect Ghana

>>2374685
France lost Vietnam because:
1) Japan actively funded rebel movements in Indochina for a large part of WW2
2) Vietnam is THOUSANDS of Kilometers away from France
3) They didnt really lose, they just kinda gave up. Mendes was a staunch enemy of the war, so when he came to power, he basically did all he could to pull out of the region.

If Mendes hadnt pulled out and Laniel woulda stayed in power, its not unthinkable that France would have kept its colonial empire for longer, or atleast a neo-colonial version of this.

>>2374717
Compare this to Haiti
- Noone to fund them
- Literally under a thousand km away from MAINLAND USA
- Nuking is a step above military intervention, and a much larger commitment. Troops can always be pulled out, buildings repaired, and money payed for reconcilliation. Nukes... not so much. Even now Japan is playing the "but we got nuked twice" card. And thats WITH them being a staunch US ally

>>2374693
>Haiti is a dirt poor island nation with only one neighbor, who doesn't allow border crossings.
Kat, the uprising starts after Puerto Plata. A good chunk of post-Puerto Plata leaders support it directly or indirectly. Trujillo deports a lot of haitians that join the resistance. Dominican Republic has a relatively weak border, otherwise there wont be any haitians for Trujillo to deal with OTL.
>France lost in Vietnam since Vietnam is 10 times larger both in population and geography
Retard, if you didnt know that before, France didnt attack the whole Vietnam, but rather certain areas, controlled by rebels. But wait, how did France won over Vietnam before, despite its size? Must be bad writing again.
>Hell, Haiti doesn't even real have jungles. The people have already clean-cut their half of the island. Meaning they'd be easily targeted by air power.
This could be a good argument. I see you used your small nigger brain to finally formulate a single decent thought. But even that didnt work in the end. Around 50% of the haitian land in 50s had jungles on it, with massive deforestation happening in 60s due to Trujillo's assasination and opening trade with Dominican Republic.
>If you, and the dumbasses on your mod team, think that the US wouldn't be able to control Haiti, then why the fuck would Vichy France and Germany have any shot at controlling Madagascar
Believe me or not, but they could lose it even in current version. And the US could win in Haiti in current version. Nuke is a last resort if you fucked up bad enough. There are also major differences in these countries anti-partisan methods. Do i have to explain it too? Just say that you are retarded enough so i have to keep myself busy with this task.
>>2374717
>>2374721
These are good arguments and i'll answer to them tommorow as im going to sleep.

>>2374735
>calling people niggers
>defending nuTNO's retardation
I get it, you want to nuke black people, and that's valid, but at the same time you shouldn't be defending this slop.

>>2374706
>america caring about some sub-saharan shithole enough to risk a shooting war with germany
And we're supposed to believe this is realistic, when it's just an excuse to have the OTL guy in power in the OTL state of Ghana

Iberia WILL release.. USA probably WILL release.. Germany MIGHT release.. Italy probably WONT release.. Manchuria WONT release.. Turkey is gone.. UK.. WONT release..

>>2374735
>the uprising starts after Puerto Plata. A good chunk of post-Puerto Plata leaders support it directly or indirectly.
So?
That still doesn't mean that Haitian rebels would be able to be supplied. It does take care of the leadership problem I forgot to mention, but it still leaves a rather small number of militants in a very small and isolated position.
>Trujillo deports a lot of Haitians
The number of Haitians doesn't matter if they don't have guns.
>The Dominican Republic border is weak
This is the most unrealistic shit I've ever heard. You think the DR would ever have a porous border with Haiti?
Moreover, the DR hates Haiti, always had. The DR government has no reason to ever arm the Haitians nor aid in their rebellion.
And even if they decided, for some unknown reason, to supply guns to Haiti, why would the US nuke Haiti instead of just blockading the Dominican Republic? The US successfully blockaded Cuba despite them being backed by the USSR and being a much larger nation. If guns were coming in through the DR, America would easily be able to stop that.
>Deforestation hadn't occurred yet
This is a good point, but it's not like jungle combat is impossible. When you have a very limited number of militants who can't get more supply, a prolonged war should be an easy victory for the USA.

>The nuke is for if you fuck up the minigame enough
The nuke is still really dumb. Like ungodly retarded. But it's good to hear that this is just a minigame and not pre-established or inevitable lore.

still the minigame should be really easy, because this would logically be a very easy military campaign for America.
Yeah but this is still a very small region

>>2374486
>Countries use nukes because it's cheaper than deploying one marine brigade to deal with ragtag militias
>Nuking Vietnam would've been a winning move
>Dealing with random Haitians is the same things as committing yourself to a war economy
LMAO you nudevs really are something else. No wonder your mod is this dumb when your devcord echo chamber produces these kinds of internal arguments.

>>2374747
America doesn’t care. the alliance with Ghana is out of sheer pragmatism, they would rather a neutral with a chance of becoming friendly Ghana than just another colony of the pakt.

>>2374747
>america caring about some sub-saharan shithole enough to risk a shooting war with germany
Yeah, that's how cold wars work. The US put a lot of effort to keep shitholes aligned with it otl
This thread sometimes just feels like contrarian central. There are better criticisms than this

>>2374787
That's your response to everything. You just handwave away things by saying that people don't care just like when you were saying that Germany wouldn't care about their allies being shot by black nationalists a few threads ago. You're such a lazy, intellectually bankrupt moron. You fallete yourselves in your devcord but nothing you say stand up to scrutiny. You didn't even answer the earlier anons criticism. If anything you strengthened it. If they don't care, why risk a shooting war?

>>2374791
Nigga no one's risking WW3 over a random African wasteland. The actual hotspots were places that actually had some kind of strategic relevance. People aren't calling this dumb because they're contrarian but because DV and reworking all if Africa on the fly was a terrible idea that caused a myriad of narrative issues for the mod.

>>2374792
I never said any of that your confusing me with someone else schizo. When Ghana gains independence in the late 50s Germany is going through an economic crash and a death war against russia. When they get out of said death war they’re not gonna start another one over Ghana of all places. According to your logic why should Germany care about Ghana either?
>muh no strategic relevance
Ghana allows the u.s. to have greater influence in west africa. In a Cold War every country that can weaken your enemy’s sphere of influence is relevant.

>>2374800
IT'S FUCKING GHANA YOU NUDEV RETARD

>>2374814
>Ghana existing is stupid because it’s heckin unrealistic!
And you’re calling me a nudev? 3/10 ragebait

>>2374792
>Nigga no one's risking WW3 over a random African wasteland. The actual hotspots were places that actually had some kind of strategic relevance.
The US offering diplomatic support to Ghana is a lot less outlandish that the ground war in Africa between the US and Germany current TNO has. Surely you can see this argument doesn't hold much weight.
At any rate, Africa has a massive population and a shit ton of resources to extract. It's very much a place you want in your sphere as a Superpower, and Ghana would allow the US to expand into the rest of the continent.
I would call myself DV skeptic cause I don't think nudevs will be able to exploit the new scenario to its full potential, but I don't think it's an inferior set-up to Germany having three TND massive colonies with barely any content

>>2374822
It's not unrealistic, it's stupid. These are very different things.

>>2374827
It's an inferior setup and I'll take their content over the snoozefest you're babbling about because no one gives a shit about Ghana.

All of this shit is because Calph started with mostly-OTL Africa and then worked backwards to justify it
It's all just handwaves that fall apart under closer scrutiny
Funny how this applies to most of the shit the nudevs work on

>>2374843
It's also pretty funny that Italian Africa is the exception to the OTLism mandate

>>2374717
>>2374721
>Japan actively funded rebel movements in Indochina
I dont know much about it, but i know for sure that they didnt fund Vietminh as they fought against it. And desu it sounds like a bullshit, cause Indochina was de-facto controlled militarily by Japan since 1940 and politically by Vichy France, their ally. Why would they arm rebels that will attack their own garrisons?
>They didnt really lose, they just kinda gave up
I mean, thats what losing essentially is. You lose if you cant achieve your goals. France couldnt achieve its goals and therefore lost. Laniel resigned as he realized he couldnt win the war and his successor's decision to cut the losses was backed by the entire parliament. Again, this logic applies only to democratic governments, because they cant afford themselves to wage an unpopular war.
>Nuking is a step above military intervention, and a much larger commitment
Japan is the perfect example of what im trying to say. They can only "play a card" with no real consequences. Their political establishment is staunchly pro-american their population is staunchly pro-american too, including ultranationalists, with only communists opposing the US. But they are fucking communists, they would be against the US anyway. Nuking after WW2 was concidered an option by the top US generals such as LeMay and MacArthur so its not an imaginary scenario. The very choice to not use nuke was made by politics and will remain as such with only certain leaders having an opportunity (!) to use them if things get really ugly and nothing else works. And i personally find the scenario of a post-WW2 usage of nukes against minor states interesting enough to explore.

Besides, im not here to defend Haiti-Vietnam parallel. Its just an example of a ragtag army defeating a first world power. We can discuss Algerian War as well, because it looks closer to Haiti in terms of geography.

>>2374760
>That still doesn't mean that Haitian rebels would be able to be supplied
How so? I have literally said that they are being directly or indirectly supported by the DR. How doesnt it change their ability to be supplied?
>The number of Haitians doesn't matter if they don't have guns.
Guns is never a problem as rebels always find a way to have them. It happened in LATAM and Africa multiple times with no clear soviet material support. Niggers in Kenya literally had bows and arrows to fight against GB and it took GB 4 years and concentration camps to deal with them.
>You think the DR would ever have a porous border with Haiti
Its not a question of what they want or dont want. These are facts on the ground. Both sides of the border are covered by jungles and DR border guard is either corrupt (Trujillo case in particular) or allows haitians to cross the border willingly.
>The DR government has no reason to ever arm the Haitians nor aid in their rebellion
Communists will help them because they are communists, Bosh will help them because he is a left wing retard.
>why would the US nuke Haiti instead of just blockading the Dominican Republic
They could. And what would they achieve by that? The US blockaded Cuba, but Cuba was a total loss by itself, so blockade was a damage control measure.
>When you have a very limited number of militants who can't get more supply, a prolonged war should be an easy victory for the USA
The longer the war drags the more unpopular it gets the bigger the government willingness to cut its losses become. The prolonged war for democracies is always worse than the swift war. The number of militants is virtually unlimited, because every local is a potential militant and you simply cant kill every local to achieve your goal (with nukes being a comfortable alternative). Look at Iraq. It was under the military occupation for 20 years and there are still militants attacking the US bases there.

>>2374844
... And coincidentally, their development is the most fucked and dead out of all the powers.

Nuking Haiti/Gorky is retarded and makes as much sense as a scenario where Reagan ragequits Grenada by nuking the place. It's like swatting flies using dynamite and both scenarios could easily be handled with a single brigade. At least use the nuclear card in a conflict with actual stakes. I think everyone talking about the military merits of nuking the world's poorest, tiniest and most useless shitholes miss the actual point of the act which is to serve as cheap shock value. Both events are only meant to make you feel like the country doing it is bad and nothing else was ever considered.

I'm sure you could think of a lot of reasonable use cases in-universe but chief this ain't it and that's deliberate on part of the nudevs.

>>2374877
But look at all the mental gymnastics you can do to justify using nukes instead of just sending in the military to make a point about how evil RethugliKKKans and DixieKKKrats are!

>>2374383
>4chan successfully bullies TNO's head janny Kateryna into reworking several of his tags.
Source?

>>2374909
Several of his charts were leaked because the other devs hate him and they include changes to things that /vst/ bullied him over. DESU we probably didn't cause it and is more likely a coincidence but it sounds funny.

>>2374915
I think people from the France team helped at least one of the leakers. They've been salty towards the Reich team ever since they were forced to rework again over DV.

>>2374867
>I have literally said that they are being directly or indirectly supported by the DR.
That is really dumb. Just knowing the region and its culture, there is no circumstance where the DR would arm Haiti.
And even if they did, it would be incredibly easy for the US to stop that. America has so much economic influence on the DR that no government would resist an American request/demand to cease the arming of militants.
>Guns is never a problem because rebels always find a way to have them
Holy ignorance, Batman.
There is a massive difference between a small and incredibly impoverished island nation and mainland Latin America. Haiti only has a few sea ports, which would be immediately and fully ceased by the US, and one land border with a nation who wouldn't support them.
>The DR's border would be porous because it just would, okay?
Well that's dumb. That has always been one of the most guarded and contentious borders on the planet, especially under Trujillo.
>Communists will help Haiti
Which communists? TNO barely has any. It's a fascist world where the few remaining socialist states are loosely aligned with the US to fight the axis.
>What would be achieved by a blockade of Hispaniola?
The end of DR support for Haitian rebels.
>What good did the blockade do in Cuba?
We didn't have a military fighting in Cuba. If we did, we would have easily been able to destroy that government, or the rebels. We didn't choose to, which meant the regime changed and eventually sided with the USSR, preventing the US from intervening again.

When US troops have actually been deployed in the Caribbean, we have always won quickly. We occupied and destroyed all resistance in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Haiti, and the DR during the Banana Wars in the early 20th century. Later we easily overthrew both Trujillo and the government of Grenada.
There is no precedent for the US struggling in Caribbean island campaigns.
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>>2375025
cont
Responding to >>2374867
>The longer the war drags, the more unpopular it gets
But the war wouldn't drag. The US, with incredibly limited forces, has won the military campaigns in every direct military intervention in a Caribbean island in barely any time at all.

Now would the occupation become unpopular? Yes. It was in real life when he occupied Haiti for 19 years. The only reason we stayed that long was because we managed to hold the island together with only 100 marines, which made it easily ignorable, but we did eventually leave.

This gets to another issue with the nuking, there is just no reason to.
If America had a quagmire in Haiti and we wanted out, we'd just leave. Haiti is a really irrelevant impoverished island nation. This isn't Cuba which was a powerful island which sided with our main geopolitical enemy, this would be a much smaller rogue state we would have little investment in.

>Look at Iraq
This is a terrible comparison.
Iraq is 16 times the size of Haiti and over 4 times the population. Plus Iraq is a nation with huge ethnic and religious divides, a major religious subgroup which views war as holy, and is surrounded by neighbors which either harbor warlords or rich sheiks who would support religious terrorists.

Haiti is a homogenous island nation used to dictatorships. When we left Haiti, the guys we propped up continued to run the island for 15 years.

>>2375025
nayrt but:
>Which communists? TNO barely has any. It's a fascist world where the few remaining socialist states are loosely aligned with the US to fight the axis.
This isn't true. This SHOULD be true, but for some reason far-left ideologies including communism are still relevant, popular and important in TNOTL. Most of this boils down to lazy otlism that ignores that Germany won WW2 (many such cases) like Mexico and elsewhere like in Britain they can become far more powerful, important and relevant than even the premise would justify because the Britain lead is a pretend-communist.

Good post overall. What I think ayrt is getting to is that there would be some kind of international brigade type of deal like you had in the Spanish Civil War for the Republicans, but I just don't see it happening. Even then, could you imagine seeing something of the scale of the fervor that you had for the Spanish cause in the 30s be replicated for some Caribbean Marxists, let alone enough to even pose a hypothetical threat to US marine presence? Don't think so. So even with communists being a thing, that argument is moot not just because of the cause but because getting there involves making it across the entire Atlantic ocean, evading the US navy and coast guard, and then landing in one of the country's few functioning ports without being detained by marines.

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>>2375063
>RA made by one guy probably gets playable Speer content for the 70s out years before TNO itself does despite being made by hundreds over years
It's not pretty, it's not perfect, but I'll take it.

>>2375067
RA is not made by just one person anymore though, its a proper sized team (and still pretty sloppy all around very very honestly)

Still better than TNO though

>>2375110
Really? Can't be that big anyway. Even if it's a handful of people it's still impressive that they managed to get the old version working and then add more content than the TNO devs do. I realize that it isn't a 1:1 comparison but honestly I prefer their more KR/early TNO era content to GUI minigame extravaganzas... That never release and mostly concern third world countries I don't care about.

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>>2375067
>>2375110
>>2375120
The TNO:RA team is only a handful of people, with most of them working off on their own projects solo. There's one guy working on Japan, another guy who intermittently gives updates every few months who's working on Italy and the wider Italian sphere + France, Goodwinson who's working on Gang of Four Germany, and another guy who's working on Dengist Speer. The writing in the Dengist Speer path is much more verbose and long than standard RA content like Heydrich, almost to a fault.

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>>2375137
The other mutually exclusive focus, these focuses are on the shorter side of descriptions FYI

So what's the current outlook for the future of TNO? when do y'all expect TMT to release? you guys think we'll get Yippe! Q4 2026-Q1 2027?

It can't be all bleak right?

>>2375152
>Future
We're in the USSR and it's 1990.
>TMT
It was supposed to release around the turn of the year. I have no idea. Sometime this quarter, maybe?
>US rework this year
I'd sooner bet on peace in the Middle East.

>>2375155
If only the devs were competent enough to put out some large updates that could give them so legitimacy. They need to release TMT soon to buy them more time and then shift development to Yippe! and DV and get those out by Q1 2027 IMO. after that maybe they would have more people on the dev team who are competent and maybe have different devs in charge so something like recent TNO doesn't happen again.

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>>2375166
>DV
>Giving them legitimacy
>Replacing Mango with Lamounier & Co
>Improving things
>TMT rehash of 5 years old content
>Making anyone care

Was TMT actually supposed to come out in December?
I know they definitely didn't mention anything about that on the discord
Was there some internal memo saying that it comes out in December?

>>2375179
There was never an official release date but they were hoping to release it in December or January. This kept being pushed forward, and the teasers for Iberia roughly indicate when they were optimistic for a release "soon". Right now we're in Brazil territory. Honestly it's not that crazy and things get delayed all the time. I think people just shit on TNO more because you just know there was some clique drama that made it worse.

>>2375197
Nah, TNO is being shit on because delays are CONSTANT.

Every update got major delays.

>>2375235
Other mods also have lots of delays. I think it's because of all the reworks. KR fans? They have new 3I content to look forward to, delayed forever. TFR fans? Lots of new ACW unifiers, also delayed several times. TNO? African skeletons, island skeletons, GUI minigames, no map painting, entire original roadmap abandoned and replaced with Fiji. See what I mean? It's not just that it's delayed it's that what they're delaying isn't even what most people want.

It's not just a mod, it's a deprogramming tool.

>>2375039
With Mexico there's the issue of Mexico in TNOtl not being revolutionary really.
Mexico both in real life and in TNO, had moved way to the right by the 1960s, so they wouldn't be wont to support a revolutionary government in Haiti.

And while yeah there would be plenty of Latin American marxists who would like to support Haitian rebels, you have the issue of the ports. How would these people send their money/supplies/soldiers to Haiti, when the US would immediately cease every port?

>>2375025
>Just knowing the region and its culture
>most guarded and contentious borders
Every 10th dominican is a haitian immigrant. Not even counting 2nd generation citizens with haitian ancestry. Every 3rd newborn is a haitian. Listen, buddy, the fact that their population presumably doesnt like niggers doesnt mean their leadership doesnt too.
>America has so much economic influence on the DR that no government would resist an American request/demand to cease the arming of militants
>muh american blockade means no gooderinos and their gdprino will suffer and they will surrender
Come on, what are you a boomer?
>There is a massive difference between a small and incredibly impoverished island nation and mainland Latin America
No, there is literally no difference. Who the fuck knows how sandinists, MR 13, colombians and other latinx rebels got their guns? They had no ports, no clear soviet aid, they were hiding in some fucking jungles all the time. They took it from the government by attacking police stations, army warehouses, thats how.
>Which communists
Do you really believe that the fall of the USSR means the end of the communist ideology? Thats what i call ignorance.
>It's a fascist world
Fortunately, it changes to make the US forpol more nuanced. There are pro-US leftists, anti-US leftists, pro-US dictatorships, anti-US dictatorships. Take OTL Trujillo and Batista for instance. They were deposed by the US (worst CIA mistakes btw), despite being ideologically closer to the US than to the USSR. There are and will be frictions between US and leftists in general.
>We didn't have a military fighting in Cuba
Right, so having or not having the blockade is irrelevant as we are talking about military usage.
>during the Banana Wars
I already told you, these are not Banana Wars, everything changed. War has changed. 10 years ago there were no drones and now ukranian and russian armies are nearly equal thanks to them, now orange retard begs Iran for ceasefire thanks to them.

>>2375381
>Do you really believe that the fall of the USSR means the end of the communist ideology?
Not having any major or even middling power back it will reduce the reach and influence of the ideology and if you can't understand that that speaks volumes to the mentality of the team. It doesn't have to fully die to lose any major power projection.

>>2375030
>But the war wouldn't drag
Well, you mentioned the prolonged war.
>in every direct military intervention in a Caribbean island
There were 2 post-WW2 military interventions in the Carribean as far as i know: DR and Grenada. None of these included anti-partisan operations.
>If America had a quagmire in Haiti and we wanted out, we'd just leave
Yes, leave. Stop acting like nuking is inevitable. Dont nuke if you dont want to. You can lose, you can withdraw your forces, you can win, you can make peace talks, you can nuke. Its an option, an option if you want to win but cant.
>This is a terrible comparison.
Yes, but you forgot a little nuance: these athnic groups were actually pro-american untill the occupation started. Why do you think haitian niggers would like it? Their homogenity is actually makes the occupation harder, not easier. As for territory and population comparisons, im not sure that the US would use the same amount of forces on Haiti, not even mentioning that Iraq was a joint NATO operation.
>used to dictatorships
Unlike Iraq.
>>2375385
So they would exist, am i right, retard? Similar to post-USSR FARC, Shining Path, stuff like this.

>>2375390
Existing isn't the same thing as thriving or having meaningful relevance, don't try to use weasel terms on me.

>>2375393
Does waging a partisan war counts as "having meaningful relevance"? Yes it does. Now shut the fuck up nigger.

>>2375403
>calls everyone a nigger as an insult
>also believes Haitian nigger guerillas would be enough of a threat to the US military that it justifies fucking nuking Haiti

>>2375403
Not by itself, no. You shouldn't be so smugly confident when you barely even understand the concepts you're try to talk about. An insurgency actually has to achieve something for it to matter and that's not going to happen as easily if the ideology is functionally dead and doesn't have any state power anywhere in the world. The fact that you use post-USSR movements like FARC as an example is just embarrassing too and you should feel ashamed of yourself for grasping at straws like this to justify the communist insurgency in Haiti being so big and bad it needs nukes to be put down. For starters, the USSR existing and propping up its ideology for fifty years isn't the same thing as communism being destroyed in its infancy and counter-insurgency in half of a tiny island isn't the same thing as fighting one in a country that's nearly twice the size of Texas. It's just one false equivalence after another with you, isn't it?

>>2375406
But, goy, you don't NEED to nuke haiti, you can just give up instead of sending in the Marines :^)

>>2375406
With all respect i have for you retard (none), im not sure that you even understand how hold a discussion. You are trying to make an argument and im successfully making a counterargument, an then you start crying about "muh its not identical to Haiti". Stupid fucking nigger you wont find two identical situations anywhere in the world as there are no identical things in nature. For starters, the third most important person in the US economy became communist at least in 1939 and somehow 20 years of existing was enough. Im sure niggers on some fucking island will be more stubborn to accept this ideology.

>>2375412
If you don't understand why exhibit A being a hundred times larger than exhibit B matters then congrats, you somehow lack cognitive functions that most toddlers have. And again, you keep using examples that are invalidated by the mod's timeline. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised when the mod is riddled with so many other cases like Mexico and heaps of DV where the fall of the USSR is less than an afterthought as far as it's impact on the alt history. But yes, keep throwing around slurs like we care. We know you devs like to treat /vst/ as a Doki where you get to use the scary no-no words you moralize against others for using on Discord.

>>2375426
Keep calling me a dev, as you clearly running out of arguments.

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>>2375435
None of which you ever bothered to address with anything more than lazy deflections in your desperate attempts to justify the Haiti nuke being anything other than comedy gold. Suffer, dev.

>>2375435
>bro I'm not a dev bro here's why Mango's retardation is actually good

>>2375461
I gave a compelling counterarguments to basically everything thats why your small nigger brain gave up and started this bullshit. Cope harder buddy.

>>2375439
Larp for someone's tabby fanfiction

>>2375503
You didn't, though. All you're doing is appeals to OTL and calling people racial slurs you wouldn't get away with on any official TNO platform... to defend niggers. Why are you calling people niggers in order to defend Haitian niggers?

>>2375545
You complete and utter moron, we are discussing realism and what do you think realism is? Of course you have to compare TNOTL events to OTL to define what sounds real and what doesnt. Fucking retard, im done with your stupidity, you dont deserve my reply.

>>2375503
You didn't. You just appealed to OTL while ignoring every single timeline change and used false equivalences like comparing the tiny shithole of Haiti to the vastness of Colombia and pretended that these were 1:1 comparisons and then simply declared victory while calling people names whenever you got pushback. You're behaving exactly like we've come to expect of you devs.

>>2375558
>what do you think realism is
Whatever the leads say it is, you bozo.
The fucking Nazis lost WW2 in our timeline. You can't just compare shit from OTL to an Axis victory timeline and expect them to make sense because there's an Elefant in the room.

>>2375558
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why TNO is as stupid as it is. This guy doesn't even understand that the realism of our world isn't applicable to TNO. If the entire timeline changes then no you can't just lazily copy-paste shit from Wikipedia and call it a day. It's exactly this kind of mentality that has led to you just bolting on OTL Africa onto an Axis victory timeline.

>he unironically thinks tno's 'realism' is actually realism and not a combination of the devs pushing their own personal politics and them being lazy enough to copy shit from wikipedia

>>2375439
Tabby russia won't instantly collapse after unification?

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>>2375588
Tabby Russia can avoid collapse after unification, but I'm not sure if it's an AI path since Goodwinson made it. Tabby unifying Russia is basically a player only path anyways, but yes, Tabby's ministers can fake his death and later launch the 2WRW and potentially lose it, and if they do Putin will get this portrait as a post-collapse warlord.
As a bonus, Hyperborean AB portrait.

>>2374375
Complete TNO newfag, found out about the mod few weeks ago, can anyone suggest what countries to play? I have finished Burgundy and I am trying Germany now, any other suggestions? But reading the threads I see a depressing picture of the mods future and Burgundy being threatened to be removed which I hope doesn't happen.

>>2375785
Burgundy isn't particularly good or fun to play desu, so you've got the best ahead of you. Reccomend playing Guangdong, a Russian Warlord (Komi, Kemerovo and Amur are all good imo) and Brazil have good decade long content. USA is also fine and Britain if you don't mind it being short and blueballing you

>>2375785
Burgundy along with most old content is being removed or replaced. The tl;dr is that the mod was hijacked. The current leads purged everyone that created what made the mod popular and it's been in a total dev hell since then while they frantically remove content. You're recommended to unsub from the "main" mod and play one of the reduxes instead. TNO: Rises Again is a mod that keeps all the old stuff including Atlantropa and builds on that while TNO: Requiem tries to add content to a 2024 build and it's a middle ground between the two. Sorry to break it to you but shit's fucked and TNO would be dead if it wasn't for these fan preservation projects.

As for tags to play: all Russian warlords are worth playing but some are better than others. Komi is very varied and fun, Amur and Kemerovo have great writing, you can honestly find lots of good qualities in all of them. Guangdong is also highly recommended if you want to get into the economics of the mod with an interesting premise. It's not supported by RA though so that's worth considering since it's based on a build that predates Guangdong.

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>>2375785
Burgundy is confirmed to be removed and has been cut from dev builds for years. The only thing that's keeping it playable in the official Steam version is the coder bleed and expanding scope of Germany's rework which has stalled it for longer than I was in college.

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>>2375785
If you want to play.
Play Requiem because it's way better optimized and there is 2WRW content.

>>2375785
you are supposed to start by playing one of the russian unifiers or spain
how did you not fall into a failed state playing burgundy blindly

>>2375831
When this is finished it will be beautiful.

Is there a discord sever for TNO:RA?

>>2375866
Head creator hates discord, and is only active on kiwi farms as far as I know

>>2375844
Don't forget it's got new South Africa content as well in stead of throwing it all out

>>2375785
If you plan on playing a Russian warlord do requiem. It has 2wrw timeline and doesn’t have the new societal development requirements for tech added in odf.

>>2375887
Understandable.

>>2375904
Fuck I forgot that even was a thing. Made Russia nearly unplayable by locking off most research until the late game. It's so fucking dumb. What were they thinking?

>>2375866
I hope Burgundy will have a path to take over Germany.

>>2375920
And France

>>2375921
I think the planned Burgundy 2 content did that really well.
>Late game, there's a final battle between France and Burgundy
>This caps off their 70s content and is a lead-in to their respective late game content
Yes the SS division in nuBurgundy isn't the same thing but I liked the idea. For gameplay, it made a lot of sense.

For Burgundy to take over Germany without Heydrich using the fallout of a 2WRW that went south could work, but it might seem lazy to just repeat the old SS coup lore which I think Rises Again keeps.

Any info on Requiem? They've been very quiet, no teasers and no leaks. When is that next update coming out?

>>2375974
They're working on Berezniki and released a teaser for it recently. It's mentioned in the news section of the op. No release date tho but hopefully sooner rather than later.

>>2375993
Wasn't berezniki in dev for like 5 years? I remember seeing it before requiem was a thing

>>2376004
Not that old I think but it's been around for years. It started out as a submod, was cancelled because TNO was a bitch with all its reworks and restarted development as a part of Requiem last year.

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Meme from around 2020/2021...

>>2376032
And now the realismtards are running the asylum.
Except they're not really realismtards because your realism ends where their personal politics begin.

>>2376032
I remember seeing this back in the day. Insane how KR managed to course correct or at least stop the bleeding while TNO just completely fucking died.

>>2376040
Well KR didn't really course correct
They're still minigame and realism-pilled
They just release updates

>>2376043
Yeah, it's bizarre how people act as if the real issue(when it comes to popularity) are the reworks themselves instead of the fact they don't release updates. There would be no talk of crisis if they had just delivered what they promised instead of getting stuck in dev hell

>>2376043
You know when you put it like that, I think it's also possible that KR doesn't look anywhere near as egregious simply because TNO got so awful it makes everyone else smell like roses.

>>2376005
Man that's pathetic. Why do I have to make anything when I can make toozers for years and get the same amount of attention if not more. Nothing I do ever matters, it's all just clique socializing bullshit that I can't do because I'm forever alone

>>2376089
desu they were probably just picked up because they worked with a concept people cared about. If you made a submod for a tag that was popular and it at least reached demo status, you could probably pull it off too with at least one of the reduxes.

>>2376100
Your brain is the shape of a peanut if you think that that's how it works. If you go on tno reddit there are still dozens posts about brazilian literallywho's which should be impossible if I take your claim at face value. I have my theories on how it works but the conclusions I came up with make me dread

>>2376157
None of those mods are about something people actually care about like the funny Azerian Assad so you're probably just dumb, stupid and far more retarded than anyone out of India, let alone Brazil, if you don't understand how these things work in the broader community. Maybe if you made a submod about something that matters, a good mod like Rises Again would take you on (don't count on it).

What are turkey devs cooking
https://files.catbox.moe/sdt6hh.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/qdwxfw.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/r2y5np.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/0kckpi.jpg
Trees have fully coded effects and localization

>>2376200
>None of those mods
I only talked about one mod. What do you mean by "mods"?
>something people actually care
People on reddit and discord seem to care and post about something that's almost 2 years old
>if you don't understand how these things work in the broader community
Neither do you it seems
>Maybe if you made a submod
It will be forgotten in a week. My question is how to retain audience while doing nothing which is how it is in other mods like tno where art lives for far longer than it's creator.
>a good mod like Rises Again
Bruh. Not to shit on RA but it's just old tno that's not really popular outside of tno community and it doesn't create new meanings that would recreate themsleves in other brains without the output from the original creator.

>>2376215
looks like ass
why would mao even be known outside of china

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From Rises Again, we're eating good tonight.

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>tsar and soviets was cancelled
no?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2811192226

>>2376239
Yes, what you make will be forgotten in a week because you're creatively bankrupt and can't entice people with interesting ideas.
>RA isn't popular
Cope.

>>2376242
Zero, but I honestly don't care personally if it's even a thing. I can't tell since the first image posted is obviously a joke leader but I'll take something out of left field any day of the week at this point over endless
>The two people in an OTL election are your main candidates and IRL-inspired centrist politics follows

>>2376268
Maybe he just meant that development stopped? I remember a lot of submods just stopped development in 2024-5 because of the direction TNO was heading in.

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>>2376280
>Yes, what you make will be forgotten in a week because you're creatively bankrupt and can't entice people with interesting ideas.
Is this what people really think about me?

>>2375390
>There were 2 post-WW2 military interventions in the Carribean as far as i know: DR and Grenada. None of these included anti-partisan operations.
We did anti partisan operations in Cuba, Puerto Rico, and both Haiti and the DR before WW2 and won all of them.
Why would it be different when the US is even more powerful?

>You don't have to nuke Haiti
Yeah, but it's such a ridiculous option though. Like why there not going to be an option for Russia to get back Eastern Europe in the 2ndWRW, but the US can nuke Haiti for no reason?
>Haiti's homogeneity would make an occupation harder
No it wouldn't, because all the US would have to do (and this is something we did multiple times in the Banana wars) is have a free election and leave, and there won't be more fighting since the population is homogenous.
The reason Iraq and Afghanistan were suck quagmires was because they would devolve to ethnic and religious violence whenever we weren't guarding it.
In Haiti an election could be held which would allow the US to just leave easily.

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1978 German rifle, made exclusively for TNO:RA. Based off the real life SIG 550. The 1988 rifle icon has also been replaced with the icon for the G50 from modern TNO, which is based on the real life G36.

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>>2376307
Both of them stem from the devs IRL politics.
Russia, regardless of who's in charge, will get sleepy east of their current borders, cave to Germany despite winning, and agree to recognize the borders of the RKs. This makes no sense but happens anyway because the devs suffer from Ukraine war brain rot. America nuking Haiti and irradiating their backyard also makes no sense but happens anyway because the devs suffer from US politics brain rot and TDS. Simple as.

>>2376251
If this is legit, it just killed any interest I could have on RA by itself. Bravo

>>2376451
It's a joke post the dev posted in response to someone making a joke application.

>>2374514
Remind me, why did they think UK even needed a rework?
Curent version is shit, sure. But what was wrong with original UK?

>>2376476
It did improve some things in my opinion. Having the cw be between actual fascist collaborators and a resistance hits harder than a battle between two sides that both want to move away from Germany just to give one example. So maybe not necessary, but it brought some upsides.

Buuut it'll never be more than a demo especially after Frost purged all his old co-leads on the project so in the end it's all moot and for everything good there's tons of things that, at best, is wasted potential.

Does this leak from September still have any merit? Or has it been scrapped so we now “have” something new
https://files.catbox.moe/13ixmu.webp

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>>2376032

>>2376490
Don't know but it seems to line up with how everything except Bormann is either dead or in total dev hell.

>>2376511
Bormann is 95% complete. Just missing a few locs for the Herbst situation in the GUI and some gfx and effects for the ending trees. Speer is the one in dev hell.

>>2376534
Where have I heard this before?
>Brazil is just a few little pieces of loc away from release

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>>2376534
>Brazil just has a few pieces of loc left
>Amur just has a few pieces of loc left
>Iberia just has a few pieces of loc left
>Bormann just has a few pieces of loc left

>>2376534
https://files.catbox.moe/j8tp21.pdf
Nice try devnigger but you said the same thing years ago.
>Bormann is ALMOST COMPLETE hooooly shit
It's fun rereading it now. You can see for yourself how completely and utterly they fucked up. A year came and went from there, Bormann is still "nearly" done and all they put out is another Antarctica demo. Suffer, devs.

>>2376476
>But what was wrong with original UK?
No real fascist paths, just different tories who would pivot away from Germany, gratuitous young Thatcher inclusion as leader, Wilson inexplicably libsoc but just implementing standard Labour policy, nonsensical Wales and Scotland, generally bad writing. We'll never see another Britain update again but if the rework's planned content had ever been made and released it would have been light years ahead of the Britain content on release, especially with the Jordan esoteric hitlerist path being a full path.

>>2376557
The Ruin was a complete shitshow of an update
Originally it was called Lech I Rus and was supposed to have Ukraine and Poland content
Problem was Poland dev was way too optimistic about how fast the content would get made and the devs were dumbfounded when they found out it wasn't close to being releasable
Then they had to retool the update, renaming it to The Ruin and integrating TFL while indefinitely delaying Poland content
Apperantly on the day of release Ukraine didn't even have all of it's GFX coded in. Utter shitshow
Now, UK content is nowhere to be seen, undergoing a characterization rework for most of the paths (and deciding that Jordan will actually be playable and not a failstate) and as well they have to account for DV too
Ukraine on the other hand, is getting the insurgency mechanic in TMT, which was intended to be a stop-gap for missing content. RK content is on indefinite pause, waiting for V&J to release, but it is getting skeleton content apperantly

>>2376550
lmao you think i'm a dev ? Bormann have always been the most complete of the V&J paths. It's just Speer and the 1962-1964 who's lacking behind. Dumb goys like you are the reasons we'll never drop the git, all you know is shit on tno and call each other devniggers like some paranoiac commie

>>2376565
Yes because you act like one with the way you do damage control and repeat their current talking points.

Any other Kat rework flowcharts? 67 Serbian paths for Yugoslav partisans or raliroaded German worshipper Hungary?

>>2376570
It’s not a talking point. I played the 2025 git from start to finish. I’m simply stating my experience. You guys need to chill out

>>2376557
Erm exuse me, but Wales and Scotland actually had a playable content and it was CUT. They CUT content. Just like muh South Africa and Reichstaat. Trans rights and Glory To Russia btw.

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TNO:RA Dengist Speer event.

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>Trans rights and Glory To Russia btw.

Sign-Off tests for Iberia are finally being done

>>2376612
Iberia has been in testing for several months.
It's been in "fine-tuning" for several months.
It was meant to release last year.
Forgive me for not caring about their latest declaration that shit's finally limping to the finish line.

>>2376636
Honestly So long as it actually comes out I don’t really care. New tno content gives me something to do for a couple of days, And it sure as hell beats lazily posting on KF

>>2376647
>New
>It's just the old Iberia content reheated and prepared for DV
Breadcrumbs during a famine I guess.

>>2376669
Will next update even include playable content for the civil war tags or is it just skeleton again?

>>2376669
I think the algeria war is still in there so not even dv applies lmao

>>2376709
RA is the only mod with playable ICV content... Because they incorporated all the trees TNO cut. Honestly though I'm surprised they even kept it.

>>2376711
I thought they'd at least include in some of their colonies that are being reinstated? If they aren't, how's any of this supposed to work without at least a partial rework down the road?

>>2376709
Yeah for pretty much all of them, they teased the trees for the Portugese contenders a while back

>>2376718
a friend on the team said that the idea is that they're going to build mechanics for Iberia's existing colonies (morocco and equatorial guinea) that they can slot DV stuff into later

>>2376732
>We'll just bolt on a Denmark GUI later
>Losing most of our coders to reworks and purges shouldn't make this an issue
Same team that needed at least four years to even figure out what the GCW replacement should even look like btw. Your friend's probably retarded or new to the team if he doesn't know how bad their track record is with these kinds of things. And no, you can't just add back Portugal's colonial empire as a minigame and call it a day. It being destroyed is a core reason for Iberia existing in the first place. But they handwaved away Atlantropa no longer existing so maybe they'll do that for it as well.

>>2376737
i meant that the mechanics for the colonies are apparently gonna be in TMT and then expanded when DV comes out, sorry i phrased that poorly

>>2376738
That sounds a lot more reasonable. I still don't trust that they'll deliver anything good if only because DV is such a big narrative clusterfuck for the entire mod but at least that sounds manageable.

Apparently this is the bilibili leak for the presidents in Yippie
https://files.catbox.moe/6itmn5.jpeg
This was also said
>Kennedy can survive, Nixon can serve more than 2 terms, up until end game, eventually transforming into a personalistic dictatorship. If both Dems and Reps fuck up and the 1972 election results in a deadlock, Hall wins D.C and somehow becomes president while the senate elects Reagan. Hall can get impeached or if he manage to hold and the CPUSA did well in the 74 midterms, Hall can moderate and becomes Left-wing Corporatist.Phyllis Schlafly can do something funny and turn fascist, however it'll lead to a series of impeachment resulting in 8 presidents in a short amount of time, before returning to normalcy.

>>2376978
Translation would be nice

>>2376978
>>2376979
We already have this you retards, the Hall shit has already been proven to be fake

>>2376978
The way that Harru-Sama becomes president is a hilarious bit of self-plagiarism.
QPQ made a Campaign Trail mod about playing as Hall because he gets boosted as it is an election between evil democrat Jon Conarry and evil republican Nixon, so in TNO, QPQ makes so that having an election between evil democrat Jon Conarry and evil republican Schafiry boosts Hall that deadlocks the election

>>2376981
Why do the devs have Hall in all their leaked shit if it’s fake

>>2376978
Old and at best outdated, at worst inaccurate.

>>2376981
Pedantry but it's just the same shitty Hall from the original Vote Pig doc. So it's not fake just (allegedly) outdated. I say allegedly because the updated Hall content hasn't been leaked yet but the person that described it leaked other things and seemed credible enough at least.

>>2376988
Gay.

>>2376986
Stop me if you heard this before but TNO devs like to rework their shit over and over and over again. Old Moscowien design documents bear no resemblance to the latest leak not because they were all fake but because the devs casually destroyed years of work on a whim several times over.

>>2376988
No its not outdated its just a fake flowchart they sent here to troll you people

>>2376999
>Make a flowchart
>It's mostly just stuff that already leaked
>Nothing crazy
>Just 50 boring ass centrist presidents
This is what I don't get about their trolls. They're all just things they'd normally do. A lot of it seems more serious than the actual big flowcharts they do. It makes no sense at all and just comes across like one of their many revisions. That's why no one believed your claims about trolling because you never presented any proof and it all seems so... Normal. These people are humorless retards however so it wouldn't be surprising if true. Any excuse not to work on the actual mod they killed and buried.

>>2377000
It's probably not fake, just made way earlier in development considering it still mentions the SAW
The leaked Yippie build includes all the changes mentioned in previous threads (Fong, one term JFK) and includes Gus as one of the edge cases

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TNO:RA event toozer, this is about Oberlander.

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>>2377034
And something not necessarily made for RA, but as a result of it. May be integrated in a small way.

>>2377000
Im talking about Hall.

Why do kiwifags even like old TNO. The 'le notsees are bad' shit of Panzer's era doesn't really seem up their alley

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>>2377052
Because neoliberal NAFO Kino is better than AmeriKKKa bad.

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>>2377049
And the content in that image refers to the shit written in Vote Pig where he became President on a technicality. Unless you want to allege that Vote Pig was fake too before Mango reworked his rework several times you just mixed up multiple different Hall documents in your head.

>>2377052
>KF is a hivemind
You might as well say that /pol/ is but I digress. The original TNO is just a fun setting, a nice blend of insanity in Germany's empire and a more grounded world around it that tries to adapt to its reality. There's a lot to like about it and even if you're a living /pol/tard caricature the "message" was always diluted through you being able to LARP, destroy entire continents, and have a few chuckles at events and happenings in between. It was a soulful piece made by people that cared and had heart, whatever we might think of them as people or their ideas for that matter.

NuTNO is soulless. It's the modding version of when a company buys up a brand and then puts a committee in charge of it that hates the original product, fanbase and genre and seeks to recreate it for a mythical modern audience without understanding why anyone liked it in the first place. They care more about their corporate agenda and message than even Panzer et al, who at least at the end up the day understood that someone actually needed to want to play their thing for it to matter. They erased the original setting, they shoehorned in their own politics to a fault, and they drove the entire thing into the ground while insisting that third world countries having bases in Antarctica is a substitute for the SS giga LARPs they want to delete and replace with nothing.

God hates nudevs.

remember the next frontier?

>>2377052
the setting is good and the german civil war was some of the best modded gameplay back when tno was at its peak

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>>2376581
here is Ukraine

>>2377093
Coming in TMT? Or is it in dev purgatory

>>2377097
In V&J

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>>2377093
>It's still completely railroaded and with plot armor
>German invasions always succeed
>The bolted-on minigame doesn't change anything in the end
>They're wasting thousands of hours on something completely worthless no one wanted
Damn it Kateryna you had one fucking job.

>>2377093
Like the new flag designs for the rks, Not sure which path i’ll pick when it’s complete

>>2377093
Do you have ostland?

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>>2377121
no
and there will be 4 tags instead of Ostland

>>2377120
>When it's complete
lmao

>>2377123
Isn’t this screenshot from The fading order?

>>2377123
also didn’t we see the new reichskommisar on the bili bili? There has to be something to that

>>2377126
and where do you think TFO took it from?

>>2377126
1980 TFO is just 1962-72 TNO depending on region since they modeled their entire map off of all the planned reworks years before they were revealed to the public.

>>2377126
>Implying TFO has any original ideas

>>2377132
so what’s actually going on in former ostland?

>>2377123
>TNO is now a butthurt belter powerfantasy

>>2377135
Nothing. The rework is meant to just have the RK decolonize into ethnic puppets just like most new colonies eventually are. It's not too dissimilar to the "good" endings in Kaukasien.

>>2377137
Jesus Christ you're right. At this point I'm really starting to think that Mango's the least boring lead they have left.

>>2377139
do you have flowcharts?

>>2377137
Im not sure any of the baltics want more rusniggers in their country.

>>2377141
Iirc the plan was that it's basically Baltic lebensraum; they're meant to settle there and push the Russians eastward while allowing for German settlement further west

>>2377128
Ostland is still a tag in the city of Riga.

>>2377141
Then why do you claim Russian territories?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian%E2%80%93Russian_territorial_dispute

>>2377151
So why is ostland decentralized now?

>>2377156
"Realism" and Lamounier's hatred of "funny" German content.

>>2377156
There were plans to give the Balts autonomy irl considering they were seen as racially salvageable, and by 1944 Belarus was being administrated separately to the rest of Ostland anyway

>>2377093
Wait 4 months until this chart is completely obsolete and Ukraine is reworked with 2 paths and only 1 of them is released with Germany (who will also have 2 paths)

>>2377123
Looks like it could be interesting. Devs will fuck it up tho

>>2377151
I didn’t even notice that. So is it basically a decentralized reichscommisariat? Where local autonomy is delegated down but they have to take orders from the local commissar?

>>2377158
I hope they get some content considering the baltics would probably be the wealthiest nations in the east. Estonia could be siemens workshop and primary tech hub.

Estonia being europes guandong or silicon valley is such a cool idea

>>2376581
bumping for potential speer stuff

>>2377170
Yeah pretty much.

>>2377172
Idk exactly what they have planned but I agree that would be cool.

>>2377150
What do you mean by "you" buddy? Im not claiming anything, especially rusnigger-infested wastes. As for the border case, Estonia has signed a border treaty with Russia without said territories and even pushed it through the parliament. Rusniggers refused to do the same to use it as a leverage.

>>2377179
>>2377155

>the only people excited about this skeleton are retarded Euros with pointless blood feuds that are ultimately colonies of America

>>2377179
>Estonian Police and Border Guard began registering citizens from Russian–controlled Setomaa as being born in Petseri county, Estonia.[12]
>As of 2025, Estonia continues to recognize the areas of Petseri and Jaanilinn as Estonian, and the border as the temporary control line.[13]

>>2377123
>>2377093
TFO has had these flags and borders teased since January? And they correctly did DV and German annexation of Netherlands and Burgundy? Is all TFO content just expected to be in the new reworks? This shit is just one huge troll

>>2377203
>TFO content
you laugh you lose challenge

>>2377203
The Venn diagram of tno and tfo devs is almost one big circle
They have insider information, which is why the Senate mechanics for tfo USA and yippie are the same

>>2377203
TFO has always been a good barometer for TNO's future plan. People used to joke about the fact that you could tell what their reworks were months or even years ahead of their public reveals just by looking at their old maps. Parts of DV and the removal of Congo Lake was shown in TFO a long time before it was revealed even to to TNO devs outside the inner circle of leads.

>>2377191
Retard, do you even understand how the treaties work? To replace the 1920s treaty which was signed when the russian population there was at 10% you need two signatures: one from the russian and one from the estonian side. Estonian side did everything to enact the treaty, russian - did not.

>>2376546
>june
>2026 already
*superlative laugh*

>>2377223
>Parts of DV and the removal of Congo Lake was shown in TFO a long time before it was revealed even to to TNO devs outside the inner circle of leads.

What a blatant lie lmao, it's like no one will check what you've said or what?
26/12/2024, half a year before DV was announced to be integrated, weld made a teaser with the images of the TFO map, and Congo Lake was there. And just from looking at the African parts of the map, you can easily say they accounted for old lore (even though, with some tweaks, like the stalemate between the WAA and PALF in the West African War), not the DV one.
26/07/2025, one day after the DV integration announcement, weld posts dev blog with the same title and the new Africa map, where you can no longer see the Congo Lake.

>>2377179
t. people whose country was so depressing it spawned the disco elysium devs

>>2377239
Your mod will never release weld.

They also announced it before what you are reffering to, saying they realized that now somehow all previous lore conflicts had dissapeared and they were no longer an issue, search it up.

>>2377177
I wish we could get some Caucasus leaks. because the leaks for ukraine and russia look very promising lore wise

>>2377247
>russia
it has been completely dead since corn left

>>2377239
So what you're saying is that, at worst, anon is mixing up two map reveals, and that TFO is so closely integrated to TNO that they were able to reveal their map that was adapted to DV a day after TNO's reveal, proving that TFO was informed about it well in advance and that this likely didn't affect their plans at all? You're still just an extension of the TNO nudevs at that point so it doesn't exactly change anything.

>>2377250
Tfo and tno share a lot of devs which means that they have insider info on tno dev

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>>2377247
It leaked ages ago. It's just either
>Ethnic colonies aligned with Germany
>Fail state with SS
I don't get why they sperg out like this since almost none of this will ever matter to the player since the tag will never ever be playable if it even makes it out of dev hell.

>>2377258
are there any other pakt leaks out there?
I got a slovakia leak but i’m wondering if there’s anything else. Norway would be nice as would denmark or hungary

>>2377261
Both Norway and Denmark have been out for ages. Denmark's just normal elections with one exception being that if you legalize porn and abortions there's a Nazi coup. Norway's just a rotating door of German puppets with the option to elect historical centrists that also end up being pro-German. The chart also had a walltext about a cod war mechanic with Britain which is just, lol. They actually thought Britain wasn't going to die.

>>2377228
1. Hurr durr why would estonians want rusnigger territories
2. Estonia literally claims Russian territories and designates people born in Pskov as if they were born in Estonia
3. BUT RUSSIA DIDN'T SIGN THAT ONE TREATY
Why are /uhg/ tourists like this? Do you understand how basic argumentation works? You presented a claim that's objectively wrong and instead of admitting your mistake you're moving goalposts and saying something completely unrelated

>>2377266
Could You post them to the thread? more for archival purposes, A lot of leaks get posted here that don’t get archived cuz people are retarded

>>2377268
https://files.catbox.moe/cub16l.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/lmva7g.jpg
These used to be in the stickies but TNO jannies took them down I think.

>>2377267
With people like this running TNO it's no wonder we're in dire straits.