>>2404033 I think gurjarahs are pretty underated, really good tech tree and both their unique techs are very strong. Next most underrated is Burmese, arambai are kind of busted, strong eco, lots of good options for other units and top tier trash units.
>>2404592 I feel like they should be more popular. Extremely full tech tree, donjons to rush or defend and cavalier can just ignore halb/camel to a degree. I guess it's just their lack of eco bonus holding them back, like many strong civs.
>>2404033 unironically chinese, the start isn't even really hard and its genuinely OP. Not a ton of players pick it when its waaay stronger than civs like mongols.
>>2405263 big if true. try to get a game where you go fast hand cannons with bohemians and then complain that it's to weak and needs to be buffed when you inevitably lose.
>>2406399 He mentioned talking to Day9 and many others like SingSing, from the list of people he talked to it sounds like it is likely to be a 16 player lineup and Hera would like to invite some of the players from the warcraft tourney too
Grubby is going to be playing seriously in a tournament for the first time in 20 years for this aoe2 invitational. I like the guy but part of me wants him to lose because I know he's a salty rager tryhard deep inside. Day9 and singsing will be cool to see too
>>2406636 I feel like a lot of the players are going to be good, micro is the trickiest thing to perfect, strategy and decision making can be taught. If Daut can be a pro then Day9 can get to 1500. >>2406648 I feel like Grubby might be a little hardstuck, he has a headstart but give other players a month to grind and they will catch up, one of the first things Hera taught Grubby was crossbow timing which can destroy a lot of sub 1500 players. The skill required to jump from 1000 to 1500 is less than the skill required to jump from 1500 to 1600
>>2407311 I don't think the fear of playing ranked ever really goes away, like each time I get close to my elo high I get scared of playing. Team games tend to be less scary though.
>>2408380 But I'll lose my disability bux... I give half of it to my mom for rent and bills and the other half is for my tendies, cigarettes, beer and games.
>>2409371 celt paladin would be more interesting if it was tankier rather than faster, and slower knights would match up better with faster halbs, so that they make a better composition together. the knights are slow sure, but the halbs are fast enough that the knights can fall back to them while the whole group can choose its engagements against most infantry and archers comps.
right now, the only real benefit of husbandry is in hussar raids in late game.
>>2410287 They have hera on tap for every question, they get professional coaching, and playing games is their job so they have all the time in the world for it. Retarded comparison.
People underestimate the value of having a twitch chat to answer all your questions on demand. It doesn't have to be Hera and it doesn't just apply to AoE2. E-celebs live life on the easiest difficulty.
>>2410287 Its been rough for some of them, I landed around 1200 from placements, some of them are just reaching 1k. Also most 1ks aren't even breathing, you can go seven tcs and win >>2410340 First they have to know what to ask Hera, imagine you ask him 20 questions and they are bad questions, now imagine 20 different people asking. >>2410346 It took Grubby 1 week to get back to 1500, SingSing will meet him soon. >>2410509 99% of them are clueless about the game, low elo equals bad advice, no 1k is going to teach you how to get to 1.5k
>>2410509 People also overestimate your capability to focus on stuff while still having to pay attention to simps and thank for their money all the time.
You guys should be queue sniping these faggy twitch ecelebs and doing troll shit against them, currently they are being coached by pros only to learn how to play meta vs meta. Get on ladder and clap them with meme strats!
>>2411759 That's exactly how it was in AoE1. They didn't even have unique units.
>>2411737 We need a RoR expansion with Scythians, Celts, Germans and Gauls. We also deserve unique unit upgrades for each civ based on Chronicles graphics such as roman-looking upgrade to swordsmen for rome, sakan axemen upgrade for generic axemen, some lancer upgrade to scouts, cretan slingers for minoans, cool chariot archers for sumerians and so on
>>2410287 >streamers >mostly childless >pro coaching >"lmao they progress faster than wagies, college slaves, and children, how embarrasing for those groups"
AoEIV question but I think it's universal: What do you do when the opponent is running horses around your base and you need your army to constantly run around to stop the economic harassment?
>>2412394 Light Cavalry counters both. Mix in some pikemen and you might have something unstoppable, until the enemy adds in something like scorpions or mangonels to counter your infantry and skirms, or the enemy has herasy tech making Monks about half as valuable.
>>2412398 >does that prove that he's only on top because he grinds harder than anyone else? That was proven years ago already. But yeah, this situation is yet another one to the pile.
>>2412520 The game is not balanced around pros. There is a discord server where the pros can give feedback to the devs, and pros constantly complain that their feedback gets ignored.
>>2412711 I'm not in that server myself so I have no idea. I can only tell you what pros talk about publicly, which is that their feedback gets ignored. Specifially Hera often complains about it. He is unhappy with the water rework and wanted to upload a video about it, but due to his recent loss he decided to postpone it because he thinks the comments/public reception would be cancer and pin it on his loss. Sitaux uploaded a video where he talked about the state of the game and how he doesn't like the direction that it is heading towards a few months ago. Funnily enough, he agrees with /vst/ and hates the three chinkdom dlc. He also mentions the discord server in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcXa39EWOI4 hera reaction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St_jwU5TzNw&t If I had to guess pros are probably asking for fire lancer and tiger cavalry nerfs.
im actually surprised how little people noticed that Hera got stomped by Lewis, yet again is not because he got better, but Hera stopped caring for an entire month
>>2413032 I don't and never have, reminder that most pro players make very little money and have to either work or live in a turd world country where cost of living is very low.
>>2413032 I would watch them if they put actual maps instead of cringe hybrid meme original bullshit maps. Just arabia arena nomad and bf would make tournaments actually intresting for the development of the game. What we have is pros monkeying around in stupid maps they clearly have little time and intention to study deeply just for prize money.
>>2413437 >they clearly have little time That's the fucking point you inbred cretin. So that meta isn't solved completely yet and there are interesting new strats clashing against each other.
>>2413555 On pro level? Of course it is. Also people hated tournaments with just 1-3 standard maps. You would know that if you weren't a newfag. Mix with new maps is more interesting.
I wish Arabia woodlines varied a bit more. Most of the time it's basically a 1 tile wall like it's black forest. Open up the generation god damnit. Sometimes more open, sometimes more closed. Ezpz
on Voobly since you could play custom maps, there was at least 5 different Arabia maps to choose, from Green Arabia which had thick tree lines and your starting resources closer to the TC, to dry arabia which was a more consistent version of OG Arabia full of elevations, small wood lines, wolves and your sheep far away. I have heard multiple times from some people that there could be a double arabia pick in the map pool, but i understand why people hate arabia pickers so much
>>2413525 I love it when we have some sort of new fucked up map and we get to see the pros figure it out in real time. I also like seeing rarely played maps get played at the competitive level.
One of the reasons why I don't play ranked much is because faggots just ban all the interesting maps and fucking only play arabia or arena because they are boors.
>>2413783 >was at least 5 different Arabia maps to choose, jealous, I came in with DE.
>OG Arabia full of elevations, small wood lines, wolves and your sheep far away. I remember checking old (ancient) Hera videos just sorting by Oldest on his YouTube and ye holy shit it looked very different. Insane hills everywhere
>>2413878 it sucked because your boar could spawn on a hill and it would be hitting your villager with hill advantage when you were trying to lure it. your deer could also be on the other side of your wood line.
>>2413252 >What exciting new mudhut "civs" we'll get in 6 months? You'll change your tune when you get steamrolled by hawaiian infantry rushes in 6 months!
Any chance the devs will remove Wu Wei and Shu from multiplayer? Or at least rename/rework them into actual civilizations? Literally just changing their names and removing the heroes would fix 99% of complaints. The civs as they are now feel like a weird mod
>Opt to do an early infantry push and aggressively foward wall in Amazon Tunnel >Rush fails and we lose >Next game >Enemy Armenian decides to do an early infantry push and aggressively foward wall us >Push gets halted and wall denied >Win I feel like I should be getting a message from this
>>2414857 I would play mega random if it was more random, half the time it's Arabia but with slightly more resources. Hyperrandom is wayyy better, shame it's not an official map.
>>2414699 I will let you know that I had a Hun phase in my life, I used to play with Scouts a lot. I also like Khmer and Magyars. And Saracens back in the original AoC when they were not used as archer spam civ all the time.
>>2413878 >>2413891 Also before DE you had to shoot the boar twice before moving your vill which meant you were always getting hit by it. Deer were losing interest in your scout much faster too, often resetting to original position after just 2 seconds. Oh and you didn't have free sheep under TC, sheep could also spawn further away than now.
what would you guys say to be the most popular RTS currently? SC2 or AoE2? I'm kinda bored of fighting games and want to dip my toes into another 1v1 genrr but I only have time to dedicate to 1 game so I might as well pick the most popular option
>>2415200 Popularity is a broad subject that can be interpreted in many ways but AoE 2 is already ahead of sc2 in most metrics and it's been on steady incline for years, refusing to stop. Meanwhile sc2 which enjoyed years of being at the top in the past, has been somewhat rapidly declining.
>>2415135 Towers near your villagers or a couple spearmen in accessible, defensive positions. You can get two spears for the cost of 1 horseman, so it's not a loss
>>2415200 Aoe2 big huge. Steady patches and dlc, tens of thousands of concurrent players for years, and still has tournaments every year for 100k, 200k prizepools
>>2415200 sc2 is probably still the most played 1v1 game, there is still no alternative to it. But aoe2 is also very popular, you can't go wrong with either.
>>2415200 broodwar in korea, starcraft 2 purely from player numbers (i'd imagine but not 100% sure), aoe2 2nd highest player count but biggest RTS esports scene outside korea.
>>2415663 They are so autistic about it that FE made a definitive edition for AoE I with up-to-date balance plus QoL features AND Return of Rome, which added a viet civ and the madeup ruleset made by 'nam's playerbase, and they still went "nope, luv me old-ass original game"
>>2415200 Probably sc2 sadly. Broodwar has more concurrent players in Korea than AoE2 has worldwide, and I have hard time believing broodwar has more numbers than sc2. I think it's Sc2>Sc1>AoE2>AoE4>Wc3 After wc3 I can barely guess, like maybe aoe2 and wc2 and then you get into the really low numbers where maybe 10 people play the rts each day
The topic of popularity reminds me of how during grubbys torunament there were a couple of people in the /v/ thread who were trying to tell me that wc3 is more popular than sc2 because it has good twitch numbers. I didn't bother arguing because it's pointless anyway when 5 people who are dead set on their opinion tag you, but I got the impression that a lot of people want sc2 to be dead
>>2415761 Same retards who argue about FFXIV vs WoW popularity based on twitch numbers. Some games just don't have major twitch viewership. I assume most of WC3's playerbase is in custom games anyway.
AoE2 is very steady with jumps on tournament days (which happen all the time) and Hera's streamer invitational is barely starting. Expect similar jump to what Warcraft 3 experienced in 2025.
>>2416537 That depends on what you mean. I found the african campaigns kinda meh, still had a lot of FE jank hanging off them. Not bad, but not great. I don’t really like the Aztec or Inca campaigns due to endlessly fighting the same 2-3 civs with similarly lacking variety in units. The Raja campaigns were all good to great. Indians too, they kinda got mushed together in my head. Think the only problem child was the Ghajuras or whatever, because I fucking hate playing that civ.
>>2417005 you don't know what you're fucking talking about those viet boomers still play bloody roar 2 and aoe1 daily at their favorite internet cafe every day, the reason why AoE1 DE failed is because it's not easily pirateable
>>2416998 Magyars have been super popular since before DE released even. They kind of feel like the "standard civ" since they have such a complete tech tree, and none of the stigma of playing a civ that is considered OP
>>2417143 >Forging, Iron Casting, and Blast Furnace are free. >Scout Cavalry line is 15% cheaper. That's not a standard civ. They're the best scout rush in the game.
>>2417132 >>2417115 Still think uthermal may have this. I only really learned about him a few months ago, but he's an sc2 guy who decided to learn broodwar over 100 games and he got pretty good pretty fast. Started by just playing a few games before checking guides to get a feel for it. He's got 1640 ELO in AoE2 so far.
Seems like his attention is slightly split though, like sc2 got a big update and not sure how much sc2 stuff he's gonna do at the same time. Also Grubby is apparently teaching him wc3 at the same time, conspiracy theory: Grubby is trying to distract uthermal with wc3 to improve Grubby's chances of beating him in aoe2
>>2417200 Every civ has bonuses. And no, you can't say they are the best scout rush civ in the game. All of Mongols, Franks and Khitans can be considered better depending on what you value more. The other anon is absolutely right. Magyars do feel like a standard civ a lot. What's more, they don't have any eco bonus, but still are solid strong, so they are a popular choice for players who want to work on their fundamentals. Their unique unit looks really cool too, one of the top choices.
What's your usual advice for tower rushes/donjon spam? Usually I can simply move around and boom while the opponent wastes time and energy, but surely there's a more mathematical way to do it.
>>2416030 Aztecs FC monks >>2417115 It is crazy what he can accomplish when he commits to something, must be autistic. >>2417132 >>2417244 Grubby and Uthermal are like chickens, they don't have nearly enough time to keep up with SingSing, that guy is already this good at 80 games. Grubby plummeted down to 1466, because he never remembers civ bonuses and his builds are not sharp, he has stabilized at 1554 but SingSing will be there in like 2-3 days
>>2417294 Depends on the map, on arena I just counter tower and repair the counter tower without garrisoning it. Arabia you are more free to move other res or counter attack.
>>2416998 Not a ton of people do fc magyar hussar, I think people just typically play them as pocket team game because they get the strongest scout rush and pocket.pure scouts is strong in tgs.
How do people get hard stuck bellow like 1200 elo? As a complete RTS noob I was able to hit 1200 elo in a few months of playing yet i see tons people who have been playing for 10+ years getting hard stuck in pre-beginner elos.
>>2417244 >conspiracy theory: Grubby is trying to distract uthermal with wc3 to improve Grubby's chances of beating him in aoe2 Kek, wouldn't surprise me. Grubby is a tryhard and it's his first tourney in 50 years so he's definitely taking it seriously. He's probably got an alt account he's practicing on too offstream
>Marc "uThermal" Schlappi (born November 10, 1995) is a Dutch Random player who last played for OFFSYDE Esports Grubby, singsing and uthermal. Battle of the Dutch
>>2417428 To add to this, some people just like playing the game their way, doing silly builds and fucking around and ending it with 11 gg, if it didn't work out. Not everyone sits on discords or reads heras spreadsheets, or even cares to improve at all
As revealed to me in a Dream: Roman Chronicles - Rome, Catharge and Iberian Balkan Lords - Vlach and Sclaven Enemies of the Aztecs - Zapotec and Trascan African Coast - Oromo, Swahili, Somali (Ethiopia gets added to new East Africa architecture) Edge of the Empire - Tiebtans and Dali, Tagut split from Khitian (Persians get added to Central Asia architecture) Gold and Ivory - Sao, Congo
>AoE4 >HRE vs Abba >I go feudal all-in MAA spam >Enemy doesn't scout and is going 2 TCs >Run MAAs around his filled TCs killing stray villagers until he surrenders
Question: Do you give a shit about a strategy being "cheesy" or lame? A feudal all-in is the best thing you can do in some AoE4 matchups but it never feels earned when I catch a guy by surprise especially when it's just a quickmatch.
>>2417791 The guy just said this after losing to Huns spamming skirms, as Ethiopians, and after having played Ethiopians probably 20+ times >do I get BBC?
>>2417402 As a crapper like that, it's unwillingness to fully engage with components of the game like strict build orders, control groups, and hotkeys. These things are almost completely overlooked and unnecessary in singleplayer where you can freewheel it.
>>2417669 >"What do you think the next DLC will feature? African civs? Zulu?" >Saying african civs twice in the OP alone Damn, they are dead set in shoving more africans.
>>2417669 >>2418590 There's some African civs I could see working. Egyptians or Zulu or something. Wouldn't be my first picks, but we're way, way past those anyway.
>>2417669 i want the USA to be added. we already added 3chinkdoms which is even further away than other civs were, so USA is perfectly within the realm of possibility.
>>2419037 Love it, but if they add auto-villagers I would genuinely honest-to-God quit. Singsing said he wanted it and I tried to slap him through the monitor
The remade Inca campaign is nice and I don't know why I think that. There's a little more variety in your enemies, but only a little, and every map is now just champi spam on your part. I guess I just like champis? I definitely don't like the trash slingers and and nerfed UT.
>>2419174 shit, i finished the other south american civ campaigns and completely forgot they redid the inca stuff. does it get new voicelines and objectives or only new interactions in the same missions?
want to improve at aoe however i always panic whenever someone attacks me... and i cant bring myself to rush or attack enemy base, just too insecure to do that, send help
>>2419063 Didn't some loudmouths got AoM military autoqueue restricted from ranked play? If it happens to AoE II I'm sure enough pushback from compfags will make the devs reconsider.
>>2419382 Early attacks aren't the end of the world, just play more games to immunize yourself to your own fears. Think of it as a good thing you're being attacked, because if you are that means your opponent sacrificed economy to do it. Not only does your opponent sacrifice economy through resources, but if he also has units attacking in feudal or whatever, he has to constantly switch from macro to micro, which noobs can't do well. Fend off just one attack and you're in a great position to win. Obviously be cognizant of where you can wall/have counters ready/understand your opponent's mentality. My micro sucks, but I've fended off countless scout rushes for instance with just a few spears because many attackers are loss-averse and can't bear/don't have the multitasking to dive their scouts in for long. Mr. Cool Guy makes 5 scouts plus forging for 550 food, I can just as well make 4 spears for just 240 resources. 550 vs. 240 resources is a LOT in feudal. And if he doubles down, even better! 1100 resources vs. 480 is even worse math for him. More obviously, keep villager production up. Always. Until imp at 100+ total.
>>2419390 The Titans had the option for autoqueue on everything regardless, it was Retold that disabled it days before release. The game also runs on a different economy and pace, a player already took his first few skirmishes in AoM by the time a player hits Feudal in AoE II, and nearly every human soldier costs gold and 2+ population space so trash units just don't exist in the conventional sense either. Villagers have a hard cap at 100. For military autoqueue specifically, a less-skilled player might expand too thinly because of it.
Research can be autoqueued as well, and begins to kick in and take precedence over the rest when you have enough resources to start it. So you could determine what minor god you want to age up with ahead of time and then it begins ticking down the instant all the resources and requirements are satisfied, suspending villager creation. Queued techs also make progress if you're housed and if a queued unit is at 99%.
>>2419382 Just relax and realize the best way to improve is through playing online. Just remember that people are at the same elo level as you for a reason, and if they succesfully attack you odds are they have already made a few mistakes at home such as not making vills.
If you dont know hotkeys yet you should learn those because it will speed up your game by a lot and give you more time to respond, plan and decrease the chance you feel overwhelmed
>>2419382 I used to be like that but then I decided I was going to get gooder. I printed out a build from aoe heaven and practiced doing it against the ai. when I thought I had it down I tried doing it in multiplayer. even though I totally fucked the build up and was like a minute late, when I got to my opponent's base he typed "wait." I thought he wanted to pause so I told him it was ok, but he typed back "no don't attack yet I'm not done building my base." I laughed and killed his shit. anyway I realized my opponent was a loser and decided I didn't want to be like that so I was always going to attack.
>>2419710 When you have some farms you don't want to reseed. They were placed sub-optimally for whatever reason, they're in a location you don't want to hold for much longer, they're farms you stole from another player. It's more common in campaigns.
>>2420429 download hera's spreadsheets and watch his videos. does anyone know if there's a spreadsheet for phoshporu fc? I watched him coaching yamatocannon for the tournament but I couldn't find the videos he was talking about so I assume they must be paywalled.
In order to get the steam achievement of winning a game with all civs does that include the return of rome and the chronicles as well or just the aoe2 civs?
>>2420924 I'm waiting for the inevitable rework of legacy civs, the way they reworked Indians and Chinese into specific cultural groups. Cause "Celts" are just as bad if not worse than the vagueness of "Indians" or "Chinese". There was arguably never even a single, definitive "Celt" civilization, it's always been a hodgepodge of different groups. But you can't touch a beloved legacy civ like Celts very easily. Tackling the Chinese was a bold step, but now I really want to see some actual historical "Celt" civs.
Honestly they need to do that with Britons, as well, who are ironically named after a Celtic tribe despite being based entirely on the English.
>>2420750 I'm reminded that a lot of what makes Pros so elite is just the settings that are used for high level tournaments. They are hyper-specialized into mastering the game under very specific, predetermined conditions. It doesn't take much to throw pros off their game, because they are nearly hardwired into using certain macros and following specific build orders that their settings demand.
>>2421053 >the way they reworked (...) Chinese into specific cultural groups I mean, sorta. We still have chinks, but now we also have pre-medieval chink faction 1, pre-medieval chink faction 2 and pre-medieval chink faction 3 running along with vanilla chinks, unlike the original indian civ which actually got spleet.
>>2421053 Because they gave the Euros (and Saracens) the archaic, Latin names and while the Asians were kept at recognizable levels to westerners. Chinese instead of Han Koreans could've been Yemaek Japanese could've been Yamato again, seeing how their Age1 campaign takes place during the 3 Kingdoms campaign At least Khmer aren't just called "Cambodians" and the Jurchens instead of Manchus It's by that mindset we don't need Scots, Gaels, and Irish, when they're all scrubby, trash rushers, nor Anglo-Saxons, Welsh, and English, the latter two fulfilling the same roles while Anglo-Saxons are perfectly fine with Goth huscarls. Britons and Celts captures the umbrella and the medieval tone, we don't need Provençals and Norwegians and Southwest Forest Bantu civs as spleets Italians should've been Lombards, too, but if theyre the Latinized authors, they're also not going to call themselves that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lombard_banking
There will be no peace amongst the leddits until the civ roster looks like the list of cultures in Crusader Kings (and then they will scour the rest of the globe)
>>2421056 This is why membs Warlords format is great. You've got to win in each map category like chaotic, closed, open, water, etc. so pure Arabia drones get fraud-checked
>>2421215 Irish doesn't make sense. They are only a nation since 1920 Knights Templar doesnt make sense as a civ, but you could make a campaign out of them, a very good one, similar to The Hautevilles and Bari, spanning various centuries. Bohemians are already a thing, and they have their own campaign whch is awesome Rus, Dutch woudl be great aditions, especially with campaigns.
>>2421223 Oh right, I always just think of them as Hussites. >>2421224 >Irish doesn't make sense. They are only a nation since 1920 You should put your silly meme one-liner at the end so I don't stop reading your post early.
I am an autistic old man, i was playing this game as 9/11 was unfolding live on TV, i was playing the Saladin campaign. I only play campaigns on standard, because i am slow af, i only play with the mouse and i manually click everything. Also i am slow thinking, and i only attack after i scouted properly and i decide what is the best approach.
Everytime i stepped into multiplayer i got destroyed easily. Maybe once i ran out of campaigns, i will learn how to play multiplayer I wish i could be an half decent multiplayer gamer on AoE
>>2421102 >Britons and Celts captures the umbrella and the medieval tone Except those aren't medieval terms, they're from antiquity. Late antiquity, at the most recent. And they're also inaccurate, as I mentioned, since the Celts in AoE2 aren't the iron age tribe the name refers to, and the Britons in AoE2 are actually English. Briton is NOT an applicable umbrella term that includes the English, the English are not Britons at all, they're not the same ethnicity, they don't speak the same language, they're not from the same time period.
>Poles 1 >beat yellow first, kill his army, leave his base >DEUS VULT >they head straight for the undefended yellow >oh fuck >turn back around, fight them off >yellow's in ruins >starts to rebuild, but not expecting much from an AI ally
>latter >got a big army, swing around back of teal to treb down his rear castle >the second trebs fire and aggro teal's army a second DEUS VULT steps out of the fog >oh fuck >pincered, just barely get castle down, lose most of army defending the irreplaceable trebs, limp back to base to rebuild >and run right into yellow's giant rebuilt army marching straight for last teal castle >follow them in, huge combined attack, win Man. What is it about this campaign? Stuff like this just doesn't seem to happen in the others.
>>2421248 >i only play with the mouse and i manually click everything the only reason to do this is because you're a stubborn old man who internalized the idea of "hotkeys = sweaty" hotkeys are objectively more chill to play than having to frantically move your mouse around to click everything
>>2421906 Huge agree. QWER is extremely obvious too, you don't even need to memorize anything, just look at the interface and press the respective button.
>>2421359 Teutonic fortress has been doing this for like 5+ years and very few people noticed. I'm honestly surprised that nobody had picked up on his crazy games until recently. I think aoe2 casters have fallen off the past few years and have only really been casting boring meta faggotry. Hopefully this will lead to a paradigm shift where people start looking at players who are playing the way they find fun.
>>2421918 >Hotkeys being keyed to where the buttons are on the screen was a game changer for me. I remember playing scbw and having to press P for probe every couple of seconds kek. Exclusively use grid hotkeys now, and select all army, select all tcs, fk it even select all castles. Comfy maxing
>>2421902 twest + ornlu is a nice combo, they know a fuckton about the game including tiny details someone like T90 has no clue about, and they're not afraid to talk shit about the terrible decisions the devs are doing unlike most other shill casters
>>2422058 Austrians and Bavarians weren't really distinct during the medieval period. The Wittelsbachs, Hapsburgs, and Luxembourgs were political dynasties, not people groups. Otherwise, the Ottonians were old Saxony, Salians were Franconian and Hohenstaufen were Swabian: it's all Teutons. There could be something said for the differences between the Germans of Rhine and Danube versus the Elbe frontier, as some kind of High German versus Low German, but its still just needless spleetery
>>2422173 We have Spanish with Conquistadors, Poles with winged hussars and Turks with Jannisarries, why wouldn't Austrians be in? Habsburgs(one of the most important noble families of human history) are in control from 1438(Byzantium(another civ in this game) falls in 1453) and are then the Holy Roman Emperor and manipulate all Germans for centuries.
>>2422260 >Want to shitpost about having AoEIII's Doppelsöldner/Landsknechte join AoEII as Austrians' UU >Remember the tupi UU already took the "infantry that does aoe damage" gimmick Goddamnit all...
>>2422289 If this is hell it could be a lot worse. >>2422340 >>Want to shitpost about having AoEIII's Doppelsöldner/Landsknechte join AoEII as Austrians' UU
Let's just add them, they can do...shit, armor piercing and bleed DoT already exist. Honestly just give them AoE too, Druzhina was in before Tupi.
>>2421359 I watched the whole thing and he lost like 100 units or more because they were on aggressive and would suicide into the fortress as soon as he stopped clicking on them. it's crazy that the game sabotages you like that by making it the default stance.
>>2422798 Every stance can screw your units if they’re caught in it at the wrong time. Gotta micro it. Aggressive is the worst, but I do wish defensive had a little more range of movement.
>>2421785 >Singsing just got Inca Champi rushed three times in a row, broke his monitor and quit the stream. Can't believe that just happened He got so mad at champis and smurfis that he's currently spamming Inca champi rushes nonstop, he's joined the dark side
>Many of the Archer unit models wield unique bows. The Mongol and Chinese wield longer, Asian/Scythian style 'W' shaped composite bows with long siyahs. The Ottoman Archers wield shorter Turkish-style composite bows. Post-upgrade Abbasid archers and Rus Archers also wield separate styles of recurved composite bow. The Delhi Sultanate, French, HRE, Malian, and pre-upgrade Abbasid Archers wield wooden self bows. Except for the Delhi Sultanate Archers, who should also be equipped with composite bows, these bow types generally match the bows that would have really been used by each civilization. Man, the level of attention to detail they put on AoE IV only to not even end up as second banana to the almost three decades old game.
>>2423181 Maybe they should have released the game in better state than pre-alpha, fixed some gamebreaking bugs and did something about disastrous balance faster than 6-12 months after official launch. People never got a chance to notice those details.
>>2423325 Nope, but a lot of people seem to be having one kind of issue or a another. On the discord they said they're preparing two patches for next week so it's probably not just your imagination kek.
The last 2 dlcs were really damaging to the game because the civ designs take too many liberties. Hei Guang are literally an aoe3 unit. Technically a knight, but not quite. Stop with retarded regional units like Champies and Fire Lancers. Stop insisting that every new civ needs two unique units. AoE2 was designed around every civ having one unique unit. Give it 3 more dlcs and half of the roster is going to be from AoE3.
This brings up another question, at which DLC do you think did civ design peak?
>>2423428 AoE3 civs have units that fill out the same role, just with different skins, names and slithgly different stats. For example, the standard musketeer of the euro civs. But Ottomans have Janissary, Japanese have Ashigaru, Indians have Sepoy, etc. And that's exactly what the Hei Guang is, they are a knight with slightly adjusted stats. They have more armor and less hp. They do a bit better in some cased and a bit worse in other cases. But they are just a regional version of a knight.
how do pros even decide what to focus on when there's a lot going on? I just watched hera lose half his army to a mangonel while he was looking away to micro 2 villagers.
>>2423417 I like champis. They feel good to use and suit the civs that have them. The Chinese regionals all feel terrible, though, especially fire lancers.
>>2423417 >AoE2 was designed around every civ having one unique unit. Vikings were in age of kings and had two unique units. Koreans and Spanish were in conquerors and had two unique units.
>>2423449 >You're just a "old good, new bad" kinda retard. No, I am not. I didn't say that civs aren't allowed to have two unique units. The keyword being "every". Also, two of the unique units you were listing are ships. If you want to count ships, then three chinkdom civs have: 2 unique units and 3 regional units.
I have a question for you, do you disagree with the statement that new civs try to be more different than old civs?
>>2423449 >lumps boats in with land military units
You're a disingenuous faggot. If every mudhut tribe gets a UU from castle, archery range and stable then european civs need more UUs too, it's fucking ridiculous.