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And the defeated shall be judged!

https://files.catbox.moe/dn6eha.png - UK re-rework chart.
https://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf - Nixon characterization doc for writers. It's what you think it'll be.
https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.png - VP Nixon tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/xkpm9x.png - VP flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/9i9y7d.png - Hawaii crisis.
https://files.catbox.moe/go9tnq.png - Reuther tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/sl8afo.jpeg - Wallace tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/r8c6i3.jpg - Goldwater tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/ez4g4c.png - Schlafly path.
https://files.catbox.moe/no1w90.png - Schlafly update.
https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.png - Yorty tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/uvnwek.png - Ford.
https://files.catbox.moe/cc2mf7.png - Rockefeller.
https://files.catbox.moe/m1i3hv.jpg - VP 2024 partial rework leak, Republicans weren't evil enough.
https://files.catbox.moe/9i9y7d.png - VP 2025 events leak.
https://files.catbox.moe/h1e8ew.png - Humphrey in the US rework. Do not share!
https://files.catbox.moe/v47bjy.png - Reagan tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/8edmqf.png - Reagan Mechanic.
https://files.catbox.moe/egyad1.pdf - McGovern 54 page campaign document.
https://files.catbox.moe/jbimjj.png - Old jfk flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/r7l32u.png - Stevenson focus tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/3n9lq9.pdf - New Granada walltext.
https://files.catbox.moe/r86sw7.pdf - 200p wall of text about Colombian soccer mechanics.
https://files.catbox.moe/nlrpjl.pdf - British West Indies lore document
https://files.catbox.moe/s9rx4e.pdf - GGR Constitution for TNO.
https://files.catbox.moe/ptvdb1.pdf - Old Indonesia proposal.

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"I will win the race to 600K, or face my downfall." - Mango

https://files.catbox.moe/4fxdxv.png - DV Uganda
https://files.catbox.moe/nnubho.png - DV Kenya
https://files.catbox.moe/66gs4a.png - DV Zanzibar
https://files.catbox.moe/n7zxyc.png - DV Liberia
https://files.catbox.moe/xhhu3n.png - DV South Africa
https://files.catbox.moe/uv7i9f.png - DV Niger.
https://files.catbox.moe/zzb68p.png - DV Togo.
https://files.catbox.moe/ye9081.png - DV Madagascar.
https://files.catbox.moe/qdwxfw.jpg - Turkey tree leak #1
https://files.catbox.moe/0kckpi.jpg - #2
https://files.catbox.moe/iwmxg6.pdf - Manchuria doc #1.
https://files.catbox.moe/cgaqrz.pdf - Manchuria doc #2.
https://files.catbox.moe/y2hc34.pdf - Manchuria doc #3.
https://files.catbox.moe/96kjev.pdf - Manchuria doc #5.
https://files.catbox.moe/hi1h3m.png - China flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/3xbwe8.png - Alegria
https://files.catbox.moe/xfzdpv.png - Croatia
https://files.catbox.moe/48jovf.png - Montenegro.
https://files.catbox.moe/tzqmdt.png - Guyana flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/knh9ax.png - Tanganyka flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/pqyhzn.png - Romania re-rework flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/qsd9cg.png - Germany just nukes Russia in 1963 now, RIP.
https://files.catbox.moe/qdwxfw.jpg - Turkey tree leak #1
https://files.catbox.moe/0kckpi.jpg - #2
https://files.catbox.moe/3xbwe8.png - Alegria
https://files.catbox.moe/xfzdpv.png - Croatia
https://files.catbox.moe/48jovf.png - Montenegro.
https://files.catbox.moe/wygn37.png - Zollverein mechanic.

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>LEAKED BUILDS
Don't let them erase history.
2018: https://mega.nz/file/nRhmFShK#rjgJXFH5fh7Y9tfIxtH47YuuOOeJhylhrcJfujCdgcg
2021: https://gitlab.com/IllyaTokar/git-days-of-europe
2022: https://gitlab.com/retardedsolutions/git-days-of-europe/
2023:
https://mega.nz/file/bBFGHZJT#a4lNsnLLzHWHG1iic5yHwgL1kK1VAE5qmT2Iqi7k2EM - Hotline Manchukuo
https://mega.nz/file/TIMmVBKC#939MhfLfR3G0UQdenlK0R5AY54x8lGlnSs42H8BzHhw - Illusions End
https://mega.nz/file/SBtSmZAD#CDYh4s4SBz3GjvBSOjOpQ4RnGgaDhnq39ehNTVFzbhs - Penelopes Web
https://mega.nz/file/CZt1CZwa#O0Yfzil-VqfJBwH_yuWvGkbDK5XF7DG5iM7rdO-rqdg - Germany Branch
https://mega.nz/file/SJ0HjDrC#jeTd9dcOuCeNpAZvrM_tFJjaSKjWLhVpSibBVqj_eWg - Shifting Tides
2025:
https://mega.nz/file/zlZxGZyD#VPPY81gjxfLz7q7ehZ-wKhiw8Dd7eQm9m7M1JRFSLIA - US rework branch.
https://mega.nz/file/v5pkzT4Q#YGc0xHjf5ypdI8ccky7fL06lS9fnMLSoqqE2MUSqeWc - Turkey branch.

>DEV ROUNDTABLES/MISC
Please leak more of these.
https://files.catbox.moe/j8tp21.pdf - December 24 roundtable notes. Germany never.
https://files.catbox.moe/zo5zhk.pdf - Post-Antarctica 25 roundtable notes. Bleak.
https://files.catbox.moe/gilnye.pdf - 25/11/23 RT.
https://files.catbox.moe/tqxb8j.pdf - 25/12/14 RT.
https://files.catbox.moe/2hva9t.pdf - 25/12/28 RT.
https://files.catbox.moe/lz8pzj.pdf - 26/02/15 RT.
https://files.catbox.moe/5djcrc.pdf - 26/05/17 RT.
https://files.catbox.moe/zppx1f.pdf - Internal Q&A 26 Q1.

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>Memed into reality: TNO loses the race to 600K against TFR despite having a lead of over a hundred thousand early last year.
>Hours after surpassing TNO, Russia held a military parade on the 9th to celebrate TFR's victory over Mango's Reich.
>Iberia facelift dropped. Anons are mixed but a lot of the feedback is positive for a change. Try it out if it sounds interesting.
>Frolicking fired as lead writer, major leadership and writing department overhauls announced.
>Frolicking claims that he wanted to delete Guangdong before being removed.
>Coincidentally, tons of localization document details drop at the same time courtesy of a mysterious leaker no one can guess the identity of at a time that isn't suspicious at all.
>Internal lead dev Q&As leaked along with several roundtable dev meeting notes.
>Devcord leaks prove that TNO's leads think that people who want wars in their wargames are a "vocal minority".
>Locdoc request sheet leak reveals that they're basically behind on everything, half of US presidents have 0 work done.
>Amur rework revived after years of inactivity, will be bundled with the US rework for some reason.
>V&J demoted to demo in its initial release. Five years for a demo, amazing.
>Goering has had practically no progress in half a decade.
>Italy dev confirmed to have gotten rebooted last year, former tag leads reportedly purged.
>Asia dev might actually be completely dead, devs AWOL for all meetings.
>Yippie/US rework scope has expanded, will be the largest update in the history of the mod. No favoritism.
>TNO seems to be going through some kind of leak civil war still, Mango allegedly in bunker mode.

TNO was so committed to realism that they lost on the anniversary of Germany's IRL capitulation.

>HOUSEKEEPING
Cleaned up the leaks and sorted most by region, replaced some dead ones, moved RTs and other internal comms to their own section. Outdated PDFs mostly kept. Thanks for not posting 50 flowcharts on page 9!

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>>2407771
>>2407785
>The crappy nulore
>Removed anything interesting
So many years after they promised this and it'll be the shitty nu-German version where nothing ever happens and we're only getting this lump of coal because they contracted out the work to submodders again. I hope for their sake that they don't get integrated. Every team that has been integrated had their mods thrown into eternal dev hell.

>>2407782
so what is next for TNO? Is there any way they're going to be able to keep this momentum or is TMT basically their last chance?

I'm assuming Requiem's upcoming update is going to be outdoing TNO's again. Not going to be spectacular, but just solid.

And solid is far more then anything that TNO can offer nowadays.

>>2407806
>Every team that has been integrated had their mods thrown into eternal dev hell.
ODF team is doing fine (it's a shame they're victims of the fact that other teams can't produce content for majors). Brazil (Cold Southern Springs) team is... questionable. TFL team is dead, I guess, and that's about it, unless I forgot something?

>>2407811
What momentum? They released a facelift for a third-rate power and got completely steamrolled by TFR. It is admittedly their best update in a very long time, but we've mostly had shit like Mexico and Fiji after the realism clique took over.

>>2407815
ODF went from being a fun little niche mod to being a lightning rod for hate because Mango et al trot them out and make them bear the brunt of the community vitriol for the lack of updates elsewhere. For them it's less that they've collapsed and more that I can't imagine that they've having a lot of fun dealing with the fallout from all the other teams being in dire straits.

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I love the RT seethe about the leaks.
>"NO MORE LEAKS, WE PURGED THE LEAKERS!"

>>2407827
meanwhile Requiem is leak proof for some reason. Now that's funny.

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I really liked this one.
>Dev complains about everything being on lockdown
>Says it doesn't matter since everyone hates their reworks anyway
>Gets damage control response

>>2407831
I don't think it's a Requiem thing. It's a "normal mod" thing. Almost no mods have their plans leak. When was the last time you saw anything from KR for example? The biggest leak for another mod recently was a TFR dev putting parts of their Git in an update but even then the reaction is night and day compared to TNO's. It's people getting excited for the funny warlord's focus trees instead of seething about gameplay being cut. Before then, TFR was largely leak-proof too despite being major in size and very controversial just like TNO.

It's just a sign of TNO's very toxic environment with all their purges, reworks and clique warfare. No other mod has it like that unless you count perma-imploding schizo toozer mods.

>>2407843
Red Flood had their France rework leaked... and that's all I can remember.

>>2407811
We are not reaching Guangdong quality ever again.

>>2407853
They did? Link?

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>>2407885
leaked a bunch of other stuff as well, but it is 5 years old.
https://arch.b4k.dev/vst/thread/766351/#q837866

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>>2407889
A leak a year later.

>>2407853
>red flood
dead, forgotten mod

>>2407913
I like Red Flood. It has heart. It may be slow and incomplete, but it built an interesting world and gave me a lot of enjoyment over the years, even if a lot of it tends to just involve revisiting it once a year. Wish it'd turned out better, but it was fun while it lasted.

>>2407782
Forgot the bili bili link
https://space.bilibili.com/385529615/upload/opus

someone needs to turn yorty doc back into a catbox. https://gofile.io/d/w9dCvK. and the french flowchart doesnt work (theres a updated one from last thread but not a catbox link yet)

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>>2408017
For some reason the france flowchart gets fucked up by catbox

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>>2407940
Made a slip-up when re-organizing the links, I'll re-add it in the next bake.

>>2408017
I reuploaded the French flowchart and updated the link in the OP.
https://files.catbox.moe/7vqarx.png
It works fine for me.

>>2408024
I found that links always went blank when I reuploaded something from a 4chan URL but that it worked when I created a new file from scratch with the same image.

Any new Manchuria stuff? or have yugo & friends been completely asleep on it?

>>2408174
You can ctrl-f for it in the roundtable leaks in the op but Asia dev is pretty dead it seems.

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What do you want to see implemented in TNO:RA?

>>2407837
Morale is low. Let’s see if the writers can restock on enough SSRI’s and Adderall to somehow churn out this bloated mess of an update by the end of the year. NOT happening

>>2408187
Manchuria content, Please god let me larp as park chung hee it’s so kino

>>2408025
Is it safe to assume France will get this new skeleton in Yippie? Considering Algeria is being made French in 62 and Burgundy is being cut for the uber-exciting VnJ 2 year demo. When the fuck are we getting playable French content? What could possibly happen to all these GUI’s and content they teased for it years ago? This mod became a joke

>>2408240
We know the next updates are yippie and than victor and judge due to rt leaks. Manchuria would probably be after that. It’s way too early to really tell, maybe 2029-2030? That is if tno development is still alive by than and donsnt decide to port to hoi5 or falls apart in general.

>>2408187
Playable WW3.

>>2408325
Planned for 1980's content including winnable scenarios at least for Germany, which is still a ways off. Very early, but Remer can succeed Speer, and he continues his militarist streak by pursuing Star Wars, i.e space anti-ballistic missile systems. This neutralizes the threat of nuclear war against Germany and lets them invade the United States, Red Dawn style. Keep in mind this stuff is 2 years off, minimum.

>>2408328
Maybe you could do a simpler version for a general WW3? Like the arcade mode but with some simple peace scripting.

If the Devs can actually put out what they are planning then I wont be mad. As long as they release Yippe! by the end of this year with all the content they are adding I wont be mad. I think if they do it right they will gain a lot more respect even if possibly it wont be as great as old TNO, but its not like we could ever go back to how TNO used to be back in 2020. Just preform and actually put a rework out that is good and I am sure most people will be happy about it. That being said its hard to have faith in these Devs but they are all we have so I support them and I wish them luck. I also wish RA and Requiem luck and that they put out amazing updates too because I will be playing all three.

>>2408187
I want basically what TNO would have been if it had kept all of its original Ideas and it expanded on into the 1980s, and at its max all the way to at least 1990 or even 2000 one day with and end of cold war epilogue eventually but Id have to agree WW3 in the 80s sounds awesome.

I honestly think its better TNO is split into 3 different mods. 3 mods with the same art style and basic setting but with 3 different directions and ways. I like to see it as TNO is the most realistic while Requiem is in the middle and RA are totally out there are schizo but still grounded in story telling. I genuinely do hope all 3 mods succeed so maybe one day we'll all look back at the drama over the past decade of development and laugh.

>>2408187
Le funny Catharsis man in le nazi Germany? This is so edgy xd. EPIC narwhal bacon. You won the internet today, sir

>>2408366
Can snarky fags like you stay off this thread

>>2408331
I appreciate the sentiment but this team delivering it's most overscoped update ever (according to the lead dev) at a time when you have purges, restructuring and everything leaking is frankly madness. Maybe if it was just the US rework by itself but they went about it in such a clusterfucked way that it has to be bundled with an Africa rework (that makes the entire continent unplayable) and a Germany demo (replacing GCW with a Denna gui) that are both polarizing at best. The mod truly died the moment DV was announced.

>>2408375
It's probably that TNO janny, he used to reply with 2010s me random jokes when trying to shit on reduxes.

The Yippie update breaks down like this:

There are around 3.5 million words to be written. 90 percent of that is the core Yippie update because skeletons don’t require much writing.

Each quota is at most 1000 words. There are at most 15 writers active right now out of 42 or so in total

At current speeds, using current reports, Yippie will be done autumn 2030. If all active writers wrote to max quota, autumn 2029. If all the writers magically began writing to quota, summer of 2027. And if they were whipped so hard they wrote twice as much, they would barely make it across the finish line in december 2026.

I was shown these calculations. I have the receipts.

>>2408385
Post it or stfu.

>Lead writer purged
>Suddenly tons of beans spilled about the finer details of how writing is handled
I'm noooticing.

>>2408390
https://files.catbox.moe/gm6dv2.pdf

>>2408398
>Total of 106 years of US content
This shit is over releasing.

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>>2408398
>Be Lamounier
>Hijack a mod you hate
>Rework the core of the mod from scratch
>Disrupt all past, current and future content in the process, be the main instigator of rework hell
>Become one of the most dunked on people in HOI4 modding in the process
>5 years later your optimistic take is that you might deliver a demo for the most important tag in the mod
>The demo is comparable in size to various shithole skeletons you'll never interact with
>Nudevs are fine with this
Century of humiliation.

>>2408398
Grim. How humiliating is it gonna be once they have to announce the delay.

>>2408398
How many prompts do they have requested atm?

>>2408187
Good writing, engaging mechanics and focus icons that don't look like shit

>>2408187
Aura and hype moments. NuTNO has none

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>>2408415
Normposting will continue until morale improves

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>>2408457
Someone's salty that one (1) lone autist managed to bring back the TNO that the nudevs tried to kill. PNO is better than anything you and your friends worked on by the way.

My ass could never be on the TNO writing time I'd write forbidden love stories left and right.

You say that like shitting out millions of events about wholesome LGBTQ+ people overcoming bigotry isn't the bread and butter of these people.

>>2408456
Way too few which says something about the state of the scripting

>>2408519
Well they got rid of most people that know how to code/script/design so that makes sense.

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Dead TNO submods.. there are so many of these.

>>2408398
They could integrate ai and then just proof read it at the end to make it up to snuff. But these guys are shitlibs who hate the stuff so they probably won’t

Even if they did, you would have to take so much adderall and caffeine a couple would have medical issues half way into the writing and loose a good chunk of the staff

Not only that addys don’t make your writing good, it just makes you write quicker

>>2408541
>Using ai for creative writing.
Immeasurable levels of retardation.
>>2408519
They've gotta get more greytides.

>>2408187
Guangdong, retard

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>>2408398
>ETA: 2030
We’re actually getting 1.1 and maybe even 1.2 for TFR before Yippie

>>2408536
That looks fun. What is it about?

>>2408541
>They should devolve into AI slop
Never post here again.

>>2408627
That's tricky. How'd you bring it in without the economy mechanics of TT? How'd you work around it?

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>>2408654
>That looks fun. What is it about?
Honestly, no idea.

>>2408659
Looks like something out of From Men to Wolves. I do feel a bit nostalgic for this era. There was so much hope and everyone wanted to be like warlordist Russia.

>>2408654
I’m just suggesting a way to complete the update, If the tno devs are trash one may as well fully commit rather than lie to the fans about delivering an update that can’t come out

>>2408645
I’d assume that the vnj demo, DV, And amur are already done since Amur has been done for a long time and DV already had most of the work done prior to integration. The vnj demo is the only one we don’t know about so it’s a toss up wether it’s actually done or not

But even assuming the above is true, Yippie is so large that there is no way in hell they are getting this done without bringing on 100+ people working round the clock

>>2408670
>Amur has been done for a long time
What the hell are you smoking? Are you seriously claiming that they've had a full Russian rework done and simply didn't want to release it all these years? Russia dev has simply been dead for years. Even their leaked documents say it isn't finished.

>>2408676
Just check the bili bili You can find complete amur footage that was released as of january of this year

>>2408678
They said themselves that it was far from ready and we also have footage of "nearly finished" V&J stuff that obviously is nowhere near done. Maybe parts are playable but it obviously isn't done. If it was why the hell would they've relied solely on Antarctica to hold people over? Iberia was also "nearly done" around that time but it took six months of crunch to get it out.

>>2408680
If we’re being realistic I’d expect the VNJ demo and DV to come out as a package deal at the end of the year and just pinky promise that yippie is coming out next year with vnj (which it won’t)

>>2408696
You can't, that's impossible. DV fucks up the entire early game for the US by removing the SAW and screwing over all early game campaigns. I'm sure a devnigger will insist that it's no big deal and that you can just do a find-replace but anyone retarded enough to believe that you can just replace the US-SS gigawar with a GUI PP spamfest in Outer Angolastan or whatever the fuck they have planned is clearly a lost cause.

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The man behind all the leaks.

>>2408654
>That looks fun. What is it about?
Post nuclear war Mediterranean.
From the development teasers it was pretty much the Russian Unification wars on steroids

>>2408727
Well post receipts then, I can’t just take your word for it. Besides isn’t this guy a giant nu tno fan?

>>2408772
The receipt is that the writing leaks started shortly after he was purged and removed as a lead. I just don't believe in coincidences and having the biggest writer leaks ever hot on the heels of that seems about as likely as any of this actually releasing.

>>2407811
I think TNO will keep limping along, continue being a divisive mess of missed opportunities, until HOI5 inevitably comes out and the mod falls apart.
Maybe some people who are fans of more classic TNO will take the reins of a HOI5 version of the mod, which will probably be vastly superior

>>2408783
Is this nigga serious? Of your gonna accuse someone of shit at least provide some evidence other than “hur dur no such thing as coincidences”

>>2408331
Be careful saying that here because threads like this generally leave little room for nuance.

>>2408790
>Has motives
>Has access
>Was mistreated despite years of unquestioning loyalty
>"Oh there's no connection between the purges and the leaks."
Willful ignorance.

>>2408806
Or a Greytide got the memo about "how much work needs done" and got upset that writers are getting blammed for potential setbacks

>>2408727
You guys are retarded
dr.gillgilliam was never part of the dev team

>>2408839
Dude it's Frolicking.

>>2408844
There are two Frolickings for some godforsaken reason. I don't blame you for not catching it, though.

>>2408854
So you're telling me that one devniggers copied the looks, mannerisms, awful opinions and everything else, but it's a completely different person? That's too stupid to believe. Even if it is the case op obviously meant the lead dev that was purged and not his copycat.

>>2408654
>That's tricky. How'd you bring it in without the economy mechanics of TT? How'd you work around it?
Pre-TT economics still had metrics like GDP and debt. For additional TT-specific metrics, they could have been given a specific UI for Guangdong.
Either way, I feel like Manchukuo without Guangdong would lose a lot of its charm of economic rivalry and competition for the attention of Tokyo

>>2407783
It's only a partial flowchart. It was leaked back when the first retarted leak trading incident happened, someone promised a yippie git for Italy leaks and couldn't deliever, so we got an unfinished flowchart.

Will it be impossible to roll back/prevent civil rights in Yippie?

Will it be possible to import infinity Indians in Yippie?

>>2408914
It wasn’t that he didn’t have it l, It’s that he’s extremely bitch made and demanded the whole flowchart for the Git while the leaker only partially leaked it thus killing the deal

Real bitch made if you ask me

>>2408919
You can only delay them a bit. Progress is inevitable, bigot.

>>2408914
I mean if you somehow have the full version of the flowchart I can get you the gits, I know the guy who has them, He’s a really odd fellow who outright turned down a substantial sum of money I was willing to pay for the gits

He basically takes payment in brand new leaks He occasionally shills his discord on the thread

>>2408937
What docs/leaks talk about this?

>>2408942
I think wallace? I’m pretty sure he can turn the usa into psuedo apartheid south africa which is mega based if you ask me

>>2408944
No he can't. He gets put into a wheelchair and is forced to watch civil rights being implemented from his cuck chair. The most based route seems to be fascist Schlafly and Nixon

>>2408948
Do either of those touch on civil rights or no?

>>2407913
>>2407931
It had a fun little update for April Fool's with playable content last month + The poland update last year. I don't think that counts as dead

>>2408952
I don't think so. As I argued with one dev back previous thread they can't imagine a scenario where civil rights are stopped so best they can do is stall the inevitable

>>2408942
Vote Pig in the op and mostly Wallace. Nothing else comes close to his racism and he's only able to regionally delay the onset of liberal values in the south.

>>2408944
You can go nationwide segregation in the original USA content. The rework neuters it.

>>2408952
They aren't super racists they're just shitty Republicans. Nixon is a misguided anti-neocon meme that makes him seem badass and Schlafly represents his rage at social conservatism.

>>2408965
I mean I guess he was a dev?? Just not for tno , It was the dev for tno RA. But not everyone who sides with nutno over lore shit is in fact a dev. I’ve been called a dev multiple times because I personally like dv despite the fact that i’m banned from their discord and have routinely called devs faggots on many occasions

>>2408973
>But not everyone who sides with nutno over lore shit is in fact a dev
Spiritually nudev. Nudev of the soul.

>>2408973
>It was the dev for tno RA
He needs to get fired then or we're gonna have a problem.
>I personally like dv
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>2408948
He doesn't have to be reduced to a wheelchair as shown in the Wallace tree and vote pig proposal
He can have a complete presidency

>>2408992
Yea only if he repents for racism and becomes a wholesome warrior for social justice

>>2408995
I don't remember where I've read this but the fact that he's made to accomplish nothing will happen regardless if he gets put into a cuck chair or not
>Wallace's America will see little change from when he first took office. His government's non engagement policy with civil rights will keep the south in the dark while the rest of America continues as normal, further dividing the country and making federal civil rights legislation more of a foreign concept. However with increased wealth among black Americans in the south, emigration can occur causing a 2nd great migration or expanded legal challenges against southern institutions in future administrations. The south will come to terms with the passage of time, though not under a Wallace Administration.
Like this could genuinely be worse than modern Wallace where you could at least do stuff and it felt rewarding. Now it's all same brands of liberals who can't accomplish nothing and there's no stakes to anything they do because if they fail they'll just be replaced with another liberal and train will always stay on track

>>2409011
I miss the batshit insane commies like Panzer and Pacifica. They were better than this end of history demwank crap.

>>2408457
now pick 2

So do you prefer your liberalism and progress with social-justice flavour or with stability-and-economy flavour? I'm torn, myself. Almost paralyzed by the options.

>>2409260
Just shoot me.

>>2409262
No can do pal. I'd vote you out but I can't spare the mana right now. Protests, you know.

>>2409264
Understandable, have a nice day.

>>2407791
>2 term Nixon
Did this niggers actually remove Nixon Imperial Presidency 5 terms. Are they retarded? They had entire trees planned for the 5 terms. Why do they feel the need to shit the bed like this. Insane

>>2409286 (Me)
I meant 4 terms but the point stands

>>2409286
I think they're just making it a demo at first before the full release by separating the normal two terms from the fun stuff.

They arent doing that, NIxon is still planned to get his full terms, 6 in total btw. he dies in office after winning in 1980

>>2409361
This'll never happen and you know it.

>>2409286
Either hiding full Yippie! info from RT or they are cutting it to 2 terms for a demo.
But the flowcharts and proposal point to 4 terms.

>>2408948
Wait, Schlafly can actually go clerical fascist? Whoa.

>>2408727
its this nigger, i remember posting his absolute coal opinion about TFR
>complains about boring content
>glazes TNO
>0 oppo. research skills

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68 conventions

>>2409377
??? what LOL???
wasn't she some woman that opposed feminism and thats what it takes for her to be classified as a "FASCIST HITLER NAZI!!!ONEOENONEONEONEONE!!!"

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>>2409397
She was a random Republican activist with no presidential ambitions. They've character assassinated her into someone who becomes a fascist.
After cutting the Yockster because he made them uncomfortable. A fascist being elected because people were tired of the uniparty failing? That makes Americans, especially liberals extremely uncomfortable. So instead Yockey is culled, and Hall is installed by Congress on a technicality instead of by popular mandate so there's no more implications that cause doubleplus ungood bellyfeels.

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complete reagan

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>>2409377
>>2409397
Yes. Here's the full chart and context. You can read more in the OP.

>>2409391
Why make everything so complicated?

>>2409410
theres the full tree
>https://files.catbox.moe/no1w90.png - Schlafly update.

I wanna see the Yorty tree, because why the fuck is it the biggest.

>>2409407
Imagine throwing away the best years of your life on this shit, lol.

>>2409418
> https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.png - Yorty tree.

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I can't even be bothered to hate on the mod.

>>2409402
this is like making Charlie Kirk a 1488109TKD Nazi that wants to genocide the whole world with nukes, these closed communist devs are so fucking dishonest, at least the old commie devs could make some art, these pieces of shit can only be like red army commissars making sure you are repeating the party approved thought
>After cutting the Big Yock
>Hall can still be in power
>In a world where communism is defeated and nazism is triumphant

>>2409419
I mean if there are any teenagers on the team, they may prepare for soulless corpo-team atmosphere quite well

And that's the only good thing they may learn from this shi(e)t

>>2409420
Do you have the full italy tree? Or leaks for any other tag, Germany especially

>>2407837
It's because the critics love to nag and nitpick every slight error, even if they know it's still an alpha and might change next week. Besides being extremely annoying and drowning out legitimate critique, it destroys dev morale.

>>2409497
That's not true at all. Go to the last HOI4 general on page 10. It has lots of TFR leaks after they put out parts of their Git on Steam for 5 minutes and the responses are a complete 180 from what TNO gets.
>I really want to play as Kaczynski!
>People debating LoS VS BLA
>People getting some hopium that 1.1 is half-done
>Hype for post-ACW content
It's as simple as giving people what they want out of their mods instead of thinking that only a vocal minority wants HOI4 content in HOI4. TNO's leaks get shat on because it's 5000 focuses of centrist liberalism for over a hundred in-game years, wars removed and at best replaced with GUI slop like the recent Iran shit, etc etc. At every turn the TNO devs are as antagonistic to the playerbase as possible. And we know it isn't just hatred towards TNO itself because people are actually pretty positive on Nixon just to give one example and that's despite the US rework being very unpopular on 4chan at least.
>drowning out legitimate critique
A lot of the changes aren't solved by fine tuning but are a result of the team's broader design philosophy. Deleting wars, railroading, plot armor, nothing ever happens, GUI slop. It's not changing and in fact whatever's leaked is likely to be made worse in all these departments.
>it destroys dev morale
Good, I want you to feel like shit if you keep ruining the mod.

>>2408867
Looks yes, everything else no. Funnily enough the Frolicking who's a dev isn't actually an asshole from what I know, he just isn't good at his job. It's the rednamed one who has all the shitty takes.

>>2409544
Frolicking's takes are fucking awful didn't you see the QA devcord leaks

>>2409427
I remember PinkPanzer saying that Charlie Kirk has the same views as Himmler

>>2409544
Red name frolicking isnt a tno dev

WHY IS THERE TWO OF THIS FUCKING GUY AND WHY DO THEY BOTH SUCK

>>2409566
Yeah I said that
>>2409549
Sure but "I think there are people who like TNO's current direction" is different to "I hope TFR gets taken off the workshop because I don't like it".

>>2409572
Please actually read what he wrote before trying to defend him. I made a very clear reference to his recent leaks from the devcord.

>>2408936
Nah, I'm pretty sure he sent the Git first but it wasn't what the Italy leaker was looking for (a more recent one, with JFK already reworked into a one-termer) so the deal was off, but he still sent an unfinished version of the flowchart because he wasn't a dick or something.
>>2408941
Thanks for the offer but I wasn't involved in that retardation and have no interest in changing that.

>>2409410
What the fucking shit is that clown parade of presidents? Is this satire? What the fuck is this?

>>2409729
It's what happens when the guys in charge never played the game and just want to write about their politics.

>>2409425
>idk
O algo.

>>2409075
>Panzer
Wasn't Panzer enlightened CENTRISM? Not of the current neh kind of course. I still remember the seething about meinhoff until the backpedaling.

>>2409757
No, he was all over the place and even then it doesn't even matter since he still knew how to make things fun as a game/mod regardless of his own politics.

The TNO OST sounds like DJ Toenail. Prove me wrong.

>All Kateryna's reworks get leaked as soon as they're shared on the devcord
>Everything related to the US gets leaked on demand
It feels like someone really has it out for the Reich and US teams.

>>2410084
Nearly everyone on the team hates Kateryna so it might be a personal thing. You don't see much of Germany's content leaking. The US leaks are getting bigger than ever and it's more than just one dev being targeted so that might be over a team grudge. Who the fuck knows any more?

Tno team/update check in 1/2

Yippie- Yippie will include the america rework, the space rework, the amur rework, the africa rework, and will revamp the start of germany content. While officially its planned to release in late 2026 a leaked doc show at the current rate it will release in 2030 and would need all writers to become active and work at max efficiency AND would need all that times 2 to actually meet the late 2026 deadline.

Germany/Victor and the Judge- VaJ is supposed to rework content for Speer and Bormann. It's planned to be the update after Yippie. Himmler and Goering is supposed to release in a separate update with Himmler being a SS Aristocracy and idk what Goering's supposed to be (no world conquest though, not even all of europe conquest).

Asia- Japan and China are no longer going to come out together and will each have separate updates. No knowledge has been gained about Manchuria rework. The asia team might very well be dead (probably is) as they have not said anything in round tables even when asked a question.

The Reichskommisariats- Rk moscow has been reworked again! Ostland is basically dead. I don't think they still plan on giving it content. Ukraine has received some stuff with TMT and a flowchart leaked for it recently. No partisan Ukraine paths can make a successful deal with Germany.

Russia- As stated earlier Amur will release with Yippie. Tyumen is supposedly the second most finished warlord. Gorky also gets glassed in ‘64.

>>2410106
Tno Team/Update Check in 2/2
Italy- Leftcoms? CUT, Christian-Coms? CUT, Guevarist? CUT. The red italy paths have been cut down to a standard bolshevik path and a eurocom path. Nothing else newsworthy outside the flowchart that leaked.

France- Not much known outside the dev doc that leaked. Development is prob screwed over cuz of DV

Greece- Dev left

Turkey- according to the 12/28/25 RT >“TNO is aiming for progress in America, and sections like Turkey, Manchuria”.
No clue what that means but there also has been some billibilli leaks about turkey and some on this board.


Latin America+Brazil- Brazil devs are working on content for rest of democratic leader. Argentinas starting from scratch and getting another complete rework (now starts as far right pro axis government). Chile has been confirmed dead in a round table leak >“King Ahab`s Feast is not going to be an update!” King Ahab Feast is a chilean novel so im guessing that was the name for chile update. Mexico content is unknown o algo.

Antarctica- Jap antarctica is being worked on and Burgundian antarctica is now a path for german antarctica.

Tno also finally hit 600k

>>2410106
>a leaked doc show at the current rate it will release in 2030 and would need all writers to become active and work at max efficiency AND would need all that times 2 to actually meet the late 2026 deadline.

This wasn’t a dev btw, It was just a guy doing some math

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>no plane designer
>no MIOs
>no special projects or facilities or scientists
>no raids
>no new-style doctrines
>no expanded factions
Another mechanical DLC releases in half a month, devs. Your constant ignoring of it is going to disappoint your userbase once again.
Reminder that under Panzer and Pacifica, all DLCs were fully integrated (tank designer, ship designer, spy agencies, etc.). You haven't done that for a single DLC since Pacifica left.
Tick tock.

>>2410110
https://files.catbox.moe/gm6dv2.pdf
So this wasn’t a dev?

>>2410124
It was not, It was a guy doing some math based on some estimates

Unless the dude confirms it which he 100 percent won’t, I’m sure it was just some guy since he said that he was just doing some math

I’m playing Omsk in the requiem submod. I heard there’s post ww3 content that extends to the 80s, is that true?

>>2410112
All of this is because the last guys that knew how to code in tech left in 2023. He started doing the plane designer, burnt out, and left. Another guy started doing maintenance on NSB trees but he left in 2024. I left later and no one bothered to fill any technical/design gaps. Technology is just an art project at this stage afaik.

>>2410148
A lot of it makes sense though. Judging by how overscoped it is I'd say it's more likely that it will take several years as opposed to a few months. Especially since a lot of it's going to require GUIs, scripting and other forms of more complex coding to implement.

>>2410210
No, the campaign currently ends when you take Berlin, prompting an Omsk victory where you glass the city. Post-WW3 content was planned but the team said they wanted some distance from Omsk before continuing working on it. We might get it once their Russia devs are freed up again after Berezniki is out but that's just speculation.

>>2410231 (me)
Before anyone asks: I did basic coding and helped set up some skeletons. I have nothing interesting to share. Sorry.

>>2410106
>>2410107
I think we shouldn't just take their own estimates with some salt but an entire salt mine. All their past estimates have been wrong. All of them. They've never gotten it right once but have, in fact, been off by several years at almost every turn. Them suddenly getting their shit together for the biggest update ever is just coping with them and I have a Brazil/Iberia/Amur that only has a few pieces of loc left to sell you.

https://www.captiongenerator.com/v/2317052/mango-reacts-to-the-state-of-yippie!-development

>>2410266
Bro snuck a camera into their crisis roundtable meeting.

>>2410266
Lol, lmao.

I think Tsar and Soviets will crush TMT by comparison. That new raiding system is probably going to massively improve the early game of every Russia run and that alone will beat the 30 South American proxies that they added.

>>2410284
Crush might be a bit strong. Better? Maybe, but unlikely to be as big of a rift as the one between Chilean Antarctica and South Africa.

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>>2410284
I want them to fix the economy and everything related to it, or just cut it out entirely. Every single warlord currently has 90% poverty rate by the time they reunify Russia.

>>2410335
Skill issue. It's easy to game that. Just unfuck your credit rating out of the lots and game the military spending and you can dig yourself out of it in regional unless you're AB or something.

Can't believe we sacrificed the NPP solely so Mango and QPQ can seethe about OTL republicans

>>2410343
They don't even do anything interesting in the proposed reworks apart from IMPERIVM Nixon and nuking Haiti.
It's all just so bland and does nothing with the setting. To take an extreme example, DV. Gets handed a unique setting, proceeds to give you generic boilerplate OTL content. The US is the same. No stakes (apart from Republicans starting WW3 for no reason lmao), just a steady march towards OTL for everyone except Nixon. Almost everything unique to the setting gone, and even the supposed nightmare scenario of Wallace winning is just a speed bump on the road towards OTL with nature eventually healing a few years later. Snooze.

>>2410347
It really cannot be understated how disappointing it is that all of it was sacrificed for the blandest shit ever across the board. No great vision, nothing. Just otl seething and moral grand standing by creatively bankrupt midwits. And they don't even like the game!

another new submod
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3710577837

>>2410419
made with the full approval of the TNO devs
integration to compensate for Yippie not releasing this year? likely.

>>2410419
>Another nudev shell company
Downvoted and ignored, thanks for warning us about Lamounier's next integration victims. Only a matter of time until we learn that everyone working on it is friends with a lead dev, mark my words.

>>2410419
This shit is gonna get integrated guaranteed, It’s made by a tno dev who changed the content to comply with the removal of schizo shit

Expect the integration in yippie or vnj

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>>2410446
>Made by a TNO dev
>They literally cannot make new playable content in-house any more
>It's all submods
>They even made their devs create submods just to integrate them just to expediate their reworks and removal of anything interesting
It's just one fuck you to the playerbase after another.

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>promises bazillion paths
>fails to deliver even one of them for 5 years
I don’t feel bad for him

>>2410363
its what the Mangoite status-quo "liberals" are, a bunch of morons that adopt all their ideas secondhand and consequently they cant actually make a good,engaging mod they have to secondhand from OTL

>>2410471
Dude he was legit fucked over by Mango and Lamounier in particular. You could have someone that was a complete genius and they still wouldn't be able to deliver because the rules of what interactions you can have with Germany change every couple of months and if he'd set his foot down he'd have been purged. He didn't, and Italy was reworked and reworked and reworked to fit a moving goal post until he was purged anyway. I'm disappointed too but we know that most problems with European TNO stem from the Reich clique and their endless reworks, plot armor and railroading.

>>2410112
Meanwhile EAW has full integration of all of those.
Horsefuckers can't stop winning!

>>2407782
>New TNO Italy Pavolini is exactly the same as the one I've been writing for my mod
At least mine will 100% release first.

Any leaks about this new Argentina skeleton?

>>2410577
Who the fuck cares?

>>2410550
TNO has a waterproof defense though: They don't need any of them because their mod has no gameplay. This is also why they deliberately disabled features like Balance of Power and other things that get in the way of their elaborate GUI slop. On the other hand they have no use of the game's basic functions because they broke their own mod so lmao.

>>2410593
Balance of power is elaborate GUI slop

>>2410599
It's not even elaborate. It's just a worse version of what any modder could already do. I wish Paradox would just forget Hoi4 ever existed and leave modders alone instead of trying to break their content with retarded nonsense

>>2410599
It's one value tracked along a bar with effects assigned to thresholds. It's very simple and meant to be a time saver and template. A lot of the shit TNO spends months to make from scratch can be copied from vanilla using a simple yt tutorial.

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Fun fact: Moskowien now casually annexes the whole of Russia if they win the Russo-german War

>>2410815
I saw that and I was a bit confused because what does all of russia even mean here? does it mean up to the urals? or does it mean ALL of russia because if that was the case that would be both very kino yet simultaneously very confusing. Because why would germany allow that? They would just push up to the AA line bomb a couple cities to the stone age and then call it a night

>>2410112
>no new-style doctrines
It does have these, though, not the others, but it has the new style doctrines

>>2410442
>Downvoted
>ignored
Pick one faggot those're mutually exclusive

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>>2410815
Reminds me of what Corn said: "What's Russia supposed to do? Just sit around?"
Flip it: What's Germany supposed to do without any threats, just sit around and coast? I fucking believe it but we're not at a point where their butthurt over the Ukraine war not going as well as they'd hoped has led to them retconning that too and making us look back at Corn's tenure as a lead as the good old days with consistent planning for the future. It may not have been a future we all liked, but a potential round 3 in the 80s gave both sides something to work towards. I always did have an inkling that Corn wasn't that bad as much as he had bad influences. I guess all the dogshit takes on Russia were from the Reich team all along.

>>2410819
Guess it means all of Russia. I'm not opposed to the concept itself, it's fine that a total W in KR/KX leads to you just winning it all. But TNO has set out to make future content beyond that so now they have to make further plotlines I guess? Really would be better with something like TFR: one clear winner and loser, then prepare for the next war, or at least set up the slow process towards full annexation down the line properly.

I guess I'm overthinking this since we'll never seen 2WRW release in TNO, I just thought it was interesting to compare the early nudev regime to the current one. Although I'm certain that a nudev will post here and tell us that this was planned all along.

>>2410838
I guess he meant that he'd just downvote it out of disrespect and then move on.

>>2410815
This makes sense for the "independent" collaborator states imo.

>>2410931
Also for these collaborator states, The only way they can gain independence is via the slavic spring succeeding. But what does that even mean? Wouldn’t a win for the slavs be a loss for the germans and thus discredit the fuhrer? How can the two agree without one looking like a bitch to their own?

>>2410943
I think all this comes back to them retconning Germany into being centrists that abolish slavery and are hyper pragmatic realists where it's convenient. You know, like how Hitler freed the slaves in nu-lure?

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>Miss me yet?

>>2410943
It's the collabs succeeding in their response to the Slavic Spring by successfully suppressing/pacifying revolts, not by the spring itself succeeding. If it gets out of hand then the Germans have to crack down on it themselves and the collaborators aren't trusted to have a quasi-independent state.

>>2410975
ah ok that makes sense. How do you have this info btw? Do you have more? Specifically speer stuff since he’s the goat

If you don’t want to disclose here that’s fine, If you want to do it in private here is my discord: cryshist

>TNO jannies posting honeypot Discord alts
Desperate.

>>2411024
I have several youtubers that are cool in my DMs, I’ve got taxed brass, Lavader, Mr asian pie, And error log.

I’m also on the farms and leaked the moskowien flowchart on my twitter so you can trust me

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>>2411030
>It's not a dev sock account!
>My good friend Likgas can attest to this!
>Why yes, he let Mango walk all over him and is an astroturfed drama whore that gave Mango his biggest, absolutely not rigged W in years, why do you ask?

A flag so red it wouldn't even be allowed in a Chinese military parade.

>>2410956
Who's that? Would.

>>2411130
Kill yourself

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So /tno/, I tried that Caucasus mod and will now leave my late night review here:

As with most other submods they give you a promise of 4 years of content, this mostly comes through in a gameplay cycle of national focuses, some minigames and a couple of economic systems, you do not fight any conflict directly through normal fighting.

Lore wise Kaukasien is undergoing a period of an "experiment", were the RK is battling with the idea of the National Commities. Simply enough RK Kaukasien is a tapestry of all the different people's of the caucasus plus the Kuban and Kalmyks, all being droven by the orders of the RK in the hopes of achieving either a great state of collaboration or working towards sovereignty.

A conflict begins brewing within the RK between the Political Clique and the SS over the future of the "experiment", should autonomy be persued or should everyone be kept under the thumb of germany, it is your responsability to try and govern the RK through this period as things begin to unravel over the corruption and all the attempts from the SS to sabotage and eventually take over the RK .

Economy wise, you are the black fields of the Reich, you have a huge benefit in terms of yearly profits that can be used to either increase the control of the RK on the oil fields or allow German companies to continue plundering them. You can then use those profits to improve the different provinces through a Mexican like GUI.

Story wise I liked it, the intrigue, the different people all vying for power through whatever means they can pull off... The drama sometimes too.

War wise it is horrible, worse than China as you really don't get anything war related, hell you can't even try and aid Ukraine during it's Civil War.

Economy wise it feels very simple for what would be the biggest player in the Reich economy, the system to rebuild/improve the Caucasus is fun but the oil system of "The Heart" feels useless.

I would rate it 6.8/10

>>2408187
Unpopular opinion, but Antarctica.
If possible, reuse an old version of Deep Freeze from the workshop, and then back port the features in.
I think Antarctica enriches the story with additional conflict zones and makes the Cold War more expansive, and in particular I really wanted to see something done with the Ahnenerbe.

>>2411184
I've tried to convince GoodWinSon to add Antarctica, but he's averse to the idea. So far he's kicked the can down the road, but due to currently under development map modifications, I'm afraid it'll become more complicated than a simple drag and drop.

>>2411174
So basically:
>99% story, being the main focus which is a meatier version of all the core points from the flowchart, with everyone of it's story points lifted and turned into a few focuses/events.
>1% economy, the bare basics for what was originally the dark heart of Germany's industrial economy.
>0% wars and conflicts despite neighboring a conflict zone, zero friction with the literal USSR (what remains of it), and nothing close to the original internal conflicts because it's all been sandpapered away in nu-lore.

Yep, sure was made by a nudev that has no interest in the actual game and it sounds shitty enough to be effortlessly integrated as it's completely self contained and pointless. It's not even like you can't have story driven demos that have action. Brazil's original release did. But with most of the world being a nearly blank canvas they just went with nothing ever happening.

tl;dr they turned Kaukasien into something resembling the Mexico demo lmao.

>>2411308
I HATE THESE PEOPLE
THEIR FUCKING INTRIGUE AND CLIQUE POLITICS ARE MORE INTERESTING THAN THE SHIT THEY'RE REPLACING EVERYTHING WITH

Are there plans to remove the Russian warlords, possibly in place of a weakened USSR?

>>2411608
Man i wish. With the proposed removal of Iberia the only wacky shit that stays is Russia. They could make USSR a starting country that can collapse to the current warlords if the player fails the focus tree.

>>2411608
There hasn't been any proof that they're cutting more, but you never know. They've already removed two warlords. I wouldn't be surprised if it'd been proposed but even the nudevs have to realize that's a bad idea.

>>2411632
When was this proposed? Are you referring to the guy from the last post claiming that they're doing it or did some real evidence drop?

>>2411637
Not a real evidence, but i have a source inside the team and he says that there are talks about it indeed.

>>2411649
So doesn't mean anything then. I don't mean that I don't think it's impossible obviously. The poster in the last thread made a very good case for it being plausible and I think it being presented as less sensationalist and more of a dev hell misery deal also seemed believable since that's happened to several tags. But until we get clear proof it's hard to believe.

>>2411632
Removing Iberia? What and when? I never heard of this.

>>2411686
DV removes the last reason for Iberia to exist.

>>2411686
Probably based on this post, someone might want to screencap it: >>2394845
tl;dr someone claiming to be a dev says it's being cut eventually, but that it doesn't matter since it just means dev hell and zero progress.
It's 100% reasonable, makes sense, has happened before and is perfectly plausible but there's also literally zero hard proof.

>>2411704
These are the same people that think that non-canonical nukes are a good way to get out of a plothole so until I see hard proof for it I'll take it with a grain of salt. Honestly there's a good chance no one left on the team even knows the lore and don't care as a result.

>>2411719

That dude also made some dubious claims, like claiming that the reason Brazil was in dev hell was that they didn't know what to do with the lobster wars when it was one of the first things they showed as a submod (https://files.catbox.moe/pjfb8m.png). And while you can never know with the nudevs. I'm pretty sure that guy was just yapping and saying what he thought would happen while claiming to be a dev so gullible people would give him attention.

>>2411174
Hmm that looks interesting? I’ll have to check it out, Then again I probably don’t even have to download it since it will just get integrated anyway

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>>2411649
Is the source with us in the room right now?

>>2411733
No I'm pretty sure the lobster wars fucked them over for a bit because you go from having Nazi Germany's #1 fighter be your opponent to something literally no one will give a shit about. I can guarantee you that they had fights about this before settling for the current garbage and that people had to waste several hours of their lives editing loc, gfx and code to get things up to speed. So I'll say it's very plausible that whoever wrote that was honest and that the toozers and end product is just a result of the half year delay that made these people pissed off to leak all this shit.

>>2411751
>you go from having Nazi Germany's #1 fighter be your opponent to something literally no one will give a shit about.
>https://files.catbox.moe/pjfb8m.png

Look at who they fight in the leak i was refering to

>>2411767
I really hope they don’t get rid of the nuclear war option, Kind of an early game troll option for noobs. It would be so funny to see people on the subreddit utterly confused when they accidentally caused a nuclear war

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>>2411767
That's not a gotcha retard. It's not the same nor is it even close. No one will give as much of a shit about that as they do about my man Muller. You're dumb, wrong, retarded and outed yourself as all of these by claiming that your weaksauce shit is a replacement for Nazi Germany's Zentralafrika. Even if you put Muller himself there it wouldn't be the same thing because holy shit, you can't just copy-paste that energy onto another country out of the blue. The fact that you and the people you shill for don't understand this is the reason that your mod is as dead and soulless as you.

>>2411801
The reason I wanted to win the lobster war was because I was fighting the evil colonialist nazis, but in nuTno I won't be as enthusiastic because I'm fighting the evil colonialist fascists

>>2411308
Anyone got that previous Caucasian flowchart? Could swear it was floating around on one of the previous threads, so don't know why it isn't here

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>>2411969
here

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Could any dev drop a date for this dev diary's release?

>>2412014
4th of july is whats planned

39 total pieces of loc last week btw

>>2412025
I hope DQRK MQGQ drops an hour before that meeting just to fuck with Mango. I realize that the odds are like 1:1000 but it'd be really funny if it happened.

>>2412028
It's over. Mango needs to purge these lazy bums even more.

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Connally. He becomes fascist populism if he switches to a republican, you read that right.

>>2412040
Lmao the TDS is off the fucking charts

>>2412014
Post the new dev diary lol would be so funny

>>2412104
he doesnt have it, its an image mango posted

If it is really going to take another 4 years to finish what's in Yippe! why would they be saying its coming out by the end of the year, I understand maybe it being delayed 3-6 months into 2027 but there is no way they would say something like that with it seemingly taking that long. I think the team has a plan and i'm sure it'll come out by the end of Q1 2027 because why would they promise something like this and delay it 4 years. Am I missing something? I just find it hard to believe not that that anons math was wrong but I just don't buy that they intend to take that long without some plan to get it out earlier.

>>2412040
seems pretty based IMO, I want there to be Fascists we can elect in America, as long as they make it so they can actually succeed and its not just railroaded to fail for "muh story" dev nigger.

Does anyone have the description of heterodox nazism and the new icon? It’s what’s supposed to replace reformed national socialism

>>2412040
> Fascism is when you have public-private partnerships, generous welfare programs, and government intervention in healthcare
Are QPQ and Mango doing OK? Aren't they supposed to like this stuff?

>>2412170
That's exactly why its based.

>>2412179
True actually

Why do people dislike the American Rework again? or do people just hate DV that much?

>>2411801
>nu lobster war bad because instead of a silly war with the Germans where nothing happens, you get a silly war with the Germans where either nothing happens or Germania ends up hilariously getting nuked

ok buddy

fuck you again Codernator. I hope they ban you

>>2412248
Who?

>>2412250
this fucking guy that keeps mentioning in the discord about what we talk in here but tries to do it subtly so he doesnt get banned. Its so obvious when he posts here. He is reading this so fuck you and your John Connally comments.

>>2412248
i think it's pretty funny

>>2412040
what the FUCK is nuclear liberalism

>>2412265
yallers who arent wallace or straight up dixiecrats

>>2412265
does anybody on the team have the description for it or any other yippie subids?

>>2412273
theyre not written

>>2412195
It’s less interesting, there’s less variety, it completely removes one of the most iconic paths (yockey) and neuters two of the others (Wallace and Hall).

>>2412265
If I understood correctly, Moderate/low-key Conservative Democrats mostly focused on the economy and kitchen table issues. Think Joe Manchin.
The "nuclear" also seems to imply a pro-growth agenda with a bit of "fuck hippies" imo

>>2412281
Beyond that, the R-D duopoly is just fucking boring. The NPP was a coalition of 14 parties all bound together by "fuck the establishment"! That's cool!

>>2412291
NPP would be interesting if it actually enabled anti-establishment figures to rise to the top
Out of the 10 NPP presidents 3 of them (Harrington, Hall and Yockey) are anti-establishment
Everyone else was an irl democrat or republican
And the 2 extremists are basically failstates that can't get into power without severely fucking up

>>2412306
Schlafly too no?

>>2412308
I guess her too
She was never in Congress, mainly an activist, but she still held way more political power and influence than the aforementioned 3
Still in yippie basically all of the NPP's factions will be represented in the various presidents' content except the ANV

>>2412153
Delusion. Mango is Hitler in the Bunker

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>>2412153
>Why would they give a release date that turns out to be wrong if it makes them look bad?
Like this hasn't happened before. Plenty of reasons for this too.
>Overconfidence
>People not understanding how much actually goes into making tags playable
>Not accounting for people leaving
>Not accounting for team morale being in the gutter
Delays aren't really a big deal for most people because we understand that these things can happen. It's only a problem if you go three years without a proper full update like TNO has and I don't think releasing their most polarizing update ever will help even if it does release which I strongly doubt.

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>>2412545
>If Yippie comes out, everthing will be alright

>>2412291
It wasn't, it was basically just a bunch of irl dems

>>2412615
>this thing with potential was bad so we need to get rid of it and do OTLism with added seething over Trump

At this point, Meldrim Thomson or whoever they decide to replace him as the 1976 New Republican candidate is going to start as a Nazi

>>2409550
had*

>>2412617
I hate this argument so much. Usually it's just an excuse to handwave away what was there and add more otlism. They always trot out this excuse. It was all bad, it was all poorly thought out, and all this from people who are equally if not more flawed as people. I'd have much more respect for them if they had the guts and honesty to just say that they hate all the original release content over their subjective tastes.

>>2412028
Grim, They are so fucked

Why are we here just to suffer?

>>2412675
maybe playing pretend with your nazi and commie dollies is just pathetic and real history is much more compelling
just a thought i had

>>2412795
IT'S A FUCKING ALT HISTORY MOD
WHY HIJACK AN ALT HISTORY MOD AND TURN IT INTO OTL AND BE HATED FOR IT BY ALL BUT A MINORITY OF FAGGOTS WHO HATE THE GAME AND THE SETTING WHEN YOU COULD JUST MAKE CWIC 2???

>>2412795
Why even bother if you don't even like alternate history to begin with?

I don't remember Black League finally got post nuclear war focus tree
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5jls-7DYE0

>>2412864
i don't like it so much i don't think others should indulge in it

>>2412898
>CE
That's not Requiem. It's based on the half-started tree that was made years before they actually released it. Afaik Community Edition just grabbed a bunch of unfinished legacy content when they ported over everything to work with the Antarctica map because you could still access the tree in Community Edition ages ago. Maybe they expanded it? I know Requiem was supposed to rework it since they didn't like the rugpull ending of the original.

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What do you want to see for 1970s content in TNO:RA's USA, especially in regards to presidents?

>>2413168
It's probably more of a general suggestion, but dynamic foreign policy.
Have the Right-Wing NPP presidents be more interventionists, have the Left-Wing far more willing to work with commies (hell maybe allow them to let pro west soviet paths become an OFN observer?).
Have Yockey try and ally the Germans against the Japanese, have Hall promote socialist parties across the OFN - just things to make each one feel unique.
I wouldn't be able to tell you what a good call for RD Presidents are, but I'm sure you can extrapolate interesting forpol from their IRL stances.

>>2413168
It'd be nice to have an actual Dixiecrat successor to Wallace after his second term and continue working on those types of policies.

>>2413168
No Presidents. USSA is the canon path and we only get general secretaries.

>>2407791
Playing Hotline Manchukuo makes me so excited for content that's never going to come. Honestly, its 1 year or so of content and pretty bare bones but, the base is really good. Yugo, please wake up.

>>2413618
Yugo's almost certainly gone. Mango broke him by treating him like shit for years. We saw in the RTs that Asia dev was dead and that everyone was awol.

>>2413621
We’re more likely to get tfo manchuria before og manchuria. It does look like kino so i’m not really complaining. But it’s looking grim for manchuria bros over at main tno

>>2413621
What did mango do

>>2413631
>We’re more likely to get tfo manchuria
No you are not. tfo is never releasing no matter what propaganda slogans Big Weld shouts this week, its been releasing next year for 3 years now and they are still reworking half of the mod from the start.

>>2413647
It is just a demo with manchuria and The usa, Manchuria is doing well as is the usa, About half the candidates have focus trees and we only have 8 so i’d expect it to be done this year since its scope is quite small compared to yippie

>>2413644
Block progress on Manchuria and just generally being a dick. I don't know how serious it was but they didn't agree on anything and the guy was always on bad terms with the cliques. It was only more recently that work could resume as far as we know but how hyped would you feel after spending two years in the fuck shed for not agreeing with Mango.

I want...
I want Europas Narben.
They took it from me.

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>>2412040
>Ok, so we have a corrupt, socially conservative democratic candidate who can switch to the rethugliKKKlan party. What ideology do we put him in?
>"Nuclear liberalism" while he's in the democratic party, but switch it up to "Fascist populism" when he joins the GOP

The campaign trail and its consequences have been a disaster for internet liberal discourse

>>2412040
>>2412170
John Connally being the Dem candidate is the crux of both the Campaign Trail Hall mod and the TNO Hall path, both cases being based around that he is the most terrible candidate the Democrats could ever have, thus leaving the good and honest Dems to join forces with Hall to prevent his wicked presidency.
QPQ loathes Connally lmao

>>2413804
I forgot to mention it, but the fact that he tries to pass a very liberal immigration law to bring more foreign workers from Mexico and the like makes this so so much comical.

We have to thank Mango and QPQ for this incredible update

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>>2413804
>>2413807
>Dumbest fag in the world hates him
>He actually seems like a cool guy
Calling it. Dictator Nixon is overhyped. Connally will be the star of the US rework and QPQ will hang himself out of shame for creating thousands of unironic Connally supporters.

>>2413194
Didn't RA dev try to argue that segregationism succeeding is impossible in TNO because it differs too much from otl and then stopped responding or am I missing something?

>>2413823
I would argue that domestic policy wouldn't change that much, all things considered. There would be more anti-fascist propaganda than otl, but stuff like eugenics would be, ironically, less taboo

Why are Mango and QPQ such fags anyways??? Just be based and put out good content without a liberal bias, faggot.

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Pikeman is answering questions in Ask A Dev? Did we get played?

>>2413823
Don't remember him saying anything like it and segregationism is just downright liberal in this timeline so you could easily argue that America's being pressured to get with the times.

>>2413862
If he's still Italy lead? Yes, but I don't think it really matters since Italy got reworked anyway.
If he isn't Italy lead? Maybe, hard to tell. The original accusation wasn't that he was purged but that he had been given a different role that effectively cucked him.

The people that made the claims dumped a ton of of stuff and it coincided with numerous other leaks so for them to get so much right and hurt the mod as much as they did while fabricating that detail out of whole cloth seems unlikely. But I also wouldn't put it past the TNO devs to do that themselves. After all it'd be an excuse to not work on the mod.

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Space and an explanation for American subids. Since they aren't written yet and you people seemed confused.

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>>2413865
>A Wallace America would be hard to design, much less implement. Segregation was so heavily tied into pre-Counterculture America, that envisioning an America where it survives on in the South or perhaps nationally under Wallace in the 1970's and 1980's and possibly even 1990's becomes complicated. It would be like imagining a timeline where the HRE never formed, the butterfly effect is so pervasive and you have to account for so many variables, that you're describing a fantasy world than alternate history. Segregation would never last past the early 1980's at the latest given the ever-changing elements of American culture with the implementation of the 24 hour news cycle and more modern forms of political mobilization. Bennett's gradual integration is more realistic, it can be envisioned, RFK's radical integrationist policies are more realistic, these were things that were implemented on the local level, LBJ is more realistic, he is merely what happened OTL, but Wallace? It is segregation pushed on the whole country by a rapidly fading political bloc, who most of the time come into power under chaotic circumstances.
tl;dr Segregation even in just the South wouldn't have survived past the 80's.
Retard claims NPP is a fading political block and that segregation is impossible because it would be too hard to implement (makes more sense once you realise that the only think he's capable of implementing is le heckin funni klaus schwab and putin). I think requiem also believes in that because NPP inevitably collapses and everything return to duopoly and they had an absolutely diabolical USA rework that got leaked

>>2413902
>>2413865
>>2413823
>>2413194
Can we just deport niggers back to Africa?