Today's TT is gonna suck so hard, /vst/ros

>game will release just fine
>just a couple of days post release to slow the spread of bugs
>February patch will fix the game
>1.2 will fix the game
>1.3 will fix the game (We are here)
>1.4 will fix the game
>...

shit OP
shan't be using this thread

>>2420475
Ok EU4 poster

I think winter king mod would work really well with pops and other eu5 mechanics
Too bad game is already as good as dead and no major overhaul mod will be ever happening

Force limit when?

>>2420502
I just saw the meiou announcement on discord

>decide to just go back to vicky2 after ten year hiatus because eu5 and vicky3 have destroyed all my hope
>It just weeks
>Loads super fast
>The kino music
>The amazing heart of darkness main menu art
Vgh... Home ..... Remember what they stole from us....

>>2420513
>meiou
Wtf are they even going to add?
Even more provinces? Extra unnecessary UI? Taxation per pop unit? Lol

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>>2420519
They could fix the game?

>>2420475
Okay bye

>play flanders
>Play a century
>Have most of the lowlands
>High money
>Moderate army
>Good alliance network
>Everyone is flemish now
Still fucking bored. Even when a game goes fairly well it still feels like fuckall.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-111-open-beta-info-news.1926394/
ITS UP
beta tomorrow, trust the plan

Sorry, I don't understand this idea. How is a simulationist-systems based approach with pops and actual goods with prices being traded around "more like a fantasy game" than literal admin, diplomatic and military mana? Complaints about gameplay being fun or not or one thing but that is unfathomable to me.

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>>2420529
>Hello Everyone and Welcome to a Happy Wednesday. This day marks a special occasion, as we are announcing that patch 1.3 will be going into open beta tomorrow, or next week!

>First, let me start by addressing ongoing customer complaints. We hear you, really- just watch me care.

>On the user interface, the forum had a specific and legitimate grievance: it's too visual. Players described it as "lexically self-destructive" and the visualisation directly undercut its own purpose.

>To pivot into this, the game will now be a text-only experience. This is something many players have been asking for. By embracing text as our primary interface, we're removing barriers between players and the rich tapestry of early modern history. Every campaign will now unfold through an ever-growing collection of reports, memoranda, tax records, diplomatic correspondence, merchant complaints, theological disputes, and increasingly passive-aggressive letters from your estates.

>In addition, the removal of graphics has allowed us to dramatically reduce hardware requirements, and the game should now run performatively on only 32GB of RAM!(results may vary)

>As part of this transition, substantially more localisation is needed, and patch 1.3 will launch with only the Swedish version of the game fully localised. We're reaching out to our community to help be part of this transition! You can now directly contribute to Europa Universalis V - just add the correct localisation to the sharepoint file here for your respective language. Thank you very much in advance!

>In order to boost this effort and community engagement, @PDX_Ryagi will start a streaming challenge starting tomorrow! Everytime EU5 player numbers dip below those of another game in the series, we will flood the office basement (where he lives) a little more. Let's hope those numbers stay up, because Ryagi sure won't! Watch him on stream and be sure to play along!

Weird Tinto Talk desu, I think Johan might be losing it

>>2420531
@grok change "blobcuck tears" into "bantu semen".

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>>2420531
This doesn't have any em dashes, clearly not "written" by Tinto.

>>2420531
Ah yes, the most urgent of issues, the UI

>>2420530
Who are you responding to?

>Starting in 1.3, Achievements will be able to be unlocked in any single-player game, including non-Ironman saves and modded/launch-option games, aligning EU5 with other Paradox Titles such as Imperator/CK3/Victoria 3. We’re confident in making this change due to a majority of player feedback since release.
Is Johan okay?

>>2420531
>To pivot into this, the game will now be a text-only experience. This is something many players have been asking for. By embracing text as our primary interface, we're removing barriers between players and the rich tapestry of early modern history. Every campaign will now unfold through an ever-growing collection of reports, memoranda, tax records, diplomatic correspondence, merchant complaints, theological disputes, and increasingly passive-aggressive letters from your estates.
My life goal is actually to make a game just like this where you have no fucking idea what's going on because as the king the documents being given to you are deeply biased and more often than not wrong. You're trying to balance the estates and deal with wars and rebellions all while having no fucking idea what's going on and the only people who are real with you are enemy kings at the treaty table, afraid for their life because they assume you are about to have them executed.
>>2420543
Yes

>>2420546
They killed Johan confirmed

It's gonna be a shame that every single steam achievement for eu5 won't be gold for being near impossible on my profile where I display my crazy chievos but it'll be nice to be able to go into my subject and assign major government reforms that they neglect to click without automatically invalidating achievements.

>>2420546
Johan is offering up one of his golden calves as sacrifice. They know just how bad they've fucked up and are afraid.

>>2420543
c'mon bro the UI fucking sucks
most of us ITT use that fucking glorp mod

>>2420540
inb4 horde of redditors "EMDASHES DO NOT MEAN AI!!!" with 30000 upvotes and then the OP in the reddit thread says
>When I do this - That's not AI!!!
and everyone claps even though a minus isn't the same thing as an emdash and nobody has an emdash on their keyboard

ESL here, have been writing in english for decades now
I had no idea em dashes were a thing before AI text generation became a thing
Literally only AI uses them
t. avid chatbot user

>>2420555
Don't worry, we know, NPCs don't though because they're lesser than bots and third worlders and they've never had a single solitary thought in their skull.
Imagine if you will that the dominant world powers right now have a serious issue with 90% of their population only pretending to be human. They walk around and recite lines they hear from real humans all day long and go to their "jobs" where they pretend to work while around 10% of the population defines the entire global order not knowing this is going on at all. These creatures have never had a single critical thought in their skulls.
Johan included.

>>2420546
Let this be a forever reminder that insistent complaining about shit works in the long run.

>>2420555
Every now and then you see some older Millenial/Gen X aged academic go on about how they've been using em dashes their entire lives and aren't going to lay down and let AI take this away from us; I always find it sad. It's like a church putting up a huge rainbow flag because they don't want to let the gays take it away from God. They don't understand that just because they're the center of their own lives, they're still insignificant strangers to practically everyone. I don't know you, I don't care to learn what battles you're fighting. When I drive past their church (see their reddit comment) I passively take in the information, categorize them as not worth paying attention to, and move on without sparing another thought. Nice trips

>>2420546
Good, fucking hate ironman.

>this thread is dominated by people who don't read anything on the academical level
huh

I can't tell what is actually different about these situations other than the UI. Also am I retarded or was the Bulgarian disaster not mentioned

>>2420583
>Erm actually if you read academic journals written in microsoft fucking word where typing dash twice writes an emdash that means that you would also know that code written in sublime and journals typed up on the forums would also have emdashes for.... REASONS! This means that you are not college educated! Rural and Suburban retards voted for Trump, city people all voted for Hillary!!!
You are brown.

just type alt+0151 on the numpad — chud

>>2420597
>But anon newfags CAN triforce!
Honestly the craziest argument you could've possibly made. Unfortunately there are tens of thousands of personal testimonials against this though.

>>2420583
>a single person in this thread is incapable of knowing whether he's reading an academic paper, a novel, or a reddit comment

>>2420601
um, i'm not >>2420583

>>2420583
>academical

>>2420622
I didn't even notice that particular brownism, my eyes just glazed over it. Good catch anon.

>>2420623
>I didn't even notice that particular brownism, my eyes just glazed over it
Maybe if you were more educated, chud

>>2420589
>Hillary
Man half the people here were ten years old when she was last a candidate for anything.

>>2420632
Frogs were already old and busted memes a decade ago but people just keep posting.

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>>2420529
In a hilariously Tinto move, I'd say all the important bits of the TT are in the "Known issues list."

>Localization still isn't done
This doesn't effect me so whatever, but it's still wildly unprofessional to say the unfinished localizations from 1.2 (and the paid DLC) won't be done until 1.3 is finished.
>Performance still isn't better and we're not even gonna pretend
EU5 was clearly built to be a game that is worked on (and sold) over a decade, so it makes sense they planned on consumer hardware to catch up to it over years. This does make them a victim of the AI datacenter price hikes on consumer electronics. But the real problem is that they made the game so bare and clearly unfinished at launch that it may go full I:R and not get the time to improve.
>Imperial Circles technically exist but probably don't have any real interaction yet
Just like the bureaucracies they added in 1.2. See above, the game is so bad right now that these mechanics may never get the time they need to become good. Modders may like them, but will people be working on big mods that use them? The problem with making everything in the game a "good foundation to build on" is that it's still not good. How many big mods does Starfield have?
>Italian Wars balance is improved but numbers may be retarded
This one I don't have shit to give them. Tuning the numbers for new additions IS what a beta should be for. But I will give them shit for when they inevitably buff or nerf multiple numbers by 10x because their initial balance is wildly off.
>Johan has bent the knee and permitted the plebs to earn cheevos while using Glorp UI
Good. This feels like the bologna you use to get your dog to eat a pill; or a break in case of emergency. People are cheering for this instead of criticizing the rest, which means it's working, but they don't get to play that card again.

>>2420583
Had a good chuckle seeing you try to troll as intelligent but still fuck up and write >academical
3/10 apply yourself

>>2420658
>EU5 was clearly built to be a game that is worked on (and sold) over a decade, so it makes sense they planned on consumer hardware to catch up to it over years.
The current best CPU for Paradox games (9800x3d) still has two second long lag on monthly ticks.
It also doesn't seem like they'll be a better CPU than that for Paradox games for some time. All future x3d cards so far have only had full L3 cache on half of their cores, not all of their cores like the 9800x3d.

Has anyone rediscovered Greek fire while playing Byz? How do you do it?

I don't think Georgia or Trebizond should have proximity bonuses in mountains/hills/plateaus because they never really expanded and definitely didn't directly rule the mountains especially directly, especially Trebizond. Georgia always had vassals in the more mountainous parts.

>>2420550
>on my profile where I display my crazy chievos
are you gay? who cares about that

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I view all achievements in every grand strategy game as a sort of aid for disabled people.
The rational, thinking, intellectual mind doesn't need to be told what to do or how to play the game. He sets his own goals and follows them. He plays grand strategy to do something HE wants to do.
The subhuman brown blobber NPC horde needs to be told to waste hours of his life completing an arbitrary and artificial goal based on a pun, he then claps, leaves a positive review on steam, and goes back to gooning to sissy hypno.

>>2420816
Look I like being able to put my good king rene achievement on my profile so that when I join a multiplayer eu4 lobby and somebody is snooping my steam profile they know to show some damn respect, there's nothing more to it than that.

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>>2420818
Which of these are you?

>>2420474
>game will release just fine
it released mostly fine
>just a couple of days post release to slow the spread of bugs
the first couple days solved a lot of the bugs
>February patch will fix the game
it fixed a lot of the game's issues
>1.2 will fix the game
it fixed a lot of the game's issues
>1.3 will fix the game (We are here)
it's going to fix a lot of the game's issues
>1.4 will fix the game
it will completely fix the game

>>2420514
>music
>loading times
>main menu art
of course you're not mentioning the actual gameplay cause it was garbage

>>2420826
This is the craziest cope i've ever read here.

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>>2420514
>16 year old game loads fast on modern cpus
Incredible revelation, anon.
Also
>The amazing heart of darkness main menu art
Never liked the HoD art. Always loved the train though and I'm not even a train autist.

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>>2420642
Frogposters have been here for almost 20 years and we'll still be here in 20 years from now.

difference is it was relevant 20 years ago

>noreply poster talking about relevant posting trends
physician heal thyself

>>2420826
Hi johan

>>2420826
Correct

>Our vision for the Guelphs and Ghibellines was and remains, to be not solely about direct acquisition of land, but to play with the factional International Organizations and an opportunistic switching of allegiances when necessary.

>We want the Situation to provide plenty of opportunity to go to war with the Force Faction Casus Belli, and bolster their faction's progress with that. Of course direct conquest should not be fully discouraged and is an important part of the Italian gameplay as well. With our changes to the Guelphs and Ghibellines in 1.3, we want to introduce more consequences of acting both in your faction's favor and against it. Conflict within a faction should come to the detriment of your shared goals, while acting against common foes will speed up your progress to victory. In addition to that, we also wanted to breathe more life into the factional allegiance around players and create a good pace for AI countries to switch sides and re-draw the factional lines within Italy.

>And last but not least, becoming the Leader of either the Guelphs or the Ghibellines should come with a lasting impact and reward on the country itself, instead of only affecting the membership within the Holy Roman Empire.
Is this AI? Because it feels completely insincere

>>2420997
idk would be nice if trade made more than 0 ducats as any italian nation other than genoa and venice though. Who gives a single flying fuck about guelphs and ghibellines when like 4 core systems aren't working right that are vital to playing in italy (Mercenaries, Trade, Goods not going to warehouses of any kind and then being solved directly to market when it would be better to keep them in the province, Crown estate being retarded)

>>2420997
Every single paragraph in Tinto Talks always directly contradicts itself.
>not solely about direct acquisition of land
>Of course direct conquest should not be fully discouraged
This way they can deliver literally anything and say it's in line with "their vision" "as depicted in the tintotalks".
Tomorrow if Italians CAN'T conquer other states the paradrones will say that's WAD. If Italians CAN conquer other states then paradrones will say that's WAD.

I suppose this is the price we pay for ESL devs communicating to us through the medium of LLM.

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Maybe 1.4 will fix eu5 .....

>>2420826
I had plenty of fun on release, it went downhill since there. Other than that, bad cope, most patches were outright downgrades were they changed things that didn't need to, added things that nobody wanted and they always created new issues.

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>>2420658
>The devs do make allot of mistakes and weird choices but they do seem to listen which is better than allot of other games

The Golden Horde is the most stable failure of a country I've ever seen in one of these games. I've been watching them in every game I've played since the game released and it's always the same.

>Constantly in wars where their enemies occupy massive chunks of their land
>Wars eventually end with the successful enemies taking zero land from the horde
>Constant rival warlord rebellions
>The rebellions just end with the Golden Horde reforming and continuing unimpacted

It's so weird. It's like every time an AI country has the Golden Horde over a barrel and is moments away from killing them, they help them up, give them a pat on the shoulder, and say "never mind, buddy. You're good." And everything just continues as it was.

>>2421090
They use rebelling warlords as a decentralised defense strategy. You can never take land from the golden horde if the province you got a claim on switched to rebels and their capital is in central asia on the other side of 5 rebels.

>>2421090
Did you play with the current patch?
Since 1.2 they always fracture into multiple nations before 1400.
At least they did in the 10-15 runs I did.

>>2421090
Hordes don't collapse all the time because the collapse event can't happen if they're at war. So what happens is they get wiped in a war, but the AI doesn't peace out and just sieges the steppe. And by the time they peace out, their levies have returned, and they raise them again, so they have troops now and don't collapse.

I just railroaded them into splintering if they recently lost a war with x negative warscore

>>2421101
That's absolutely not true. They survive into the 1500s at least in the current patch just fine.

In retrospect 1.3 saved the game

Who are we playing tomorrow bros?

>>2421142
aquileia

>>2421142
Naples and blobbing all over Italy and the Balkans.

do merc pops being killed in wars really not affect availability of companies?

>Unified Artist Court — Artists are now characters with passive modifiers;
Oh, so now we can look forward to the hundreds of artists in your country for no reason giving you -10 tax efficiency dozens of times.

>hundreds of artists in your country
You have never played the game.

>hundreds of artists in your country
You have played the game

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Okay, now that we've had the mandatory 80 shitposts by thirdies who are still butthurt that they can't run this game, everyone post your
>tag
>year
>campaign goals

nobody is playing yet, retard
we all finished up our games before 1.3 tomorrow

>>2421169
Aragon
1337
>ally Portugal and Castile to keep peace in Iberia forever
>try to get a personal union with Castile, and Naples
>eventually form Spain diplomatically
>colonize all historical Spanish colonies, even if I can't PU castile and form Spain
If I do manage to form Spain I'm going all in on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empresa_de_China

>>2420546
Finally some fucking good news coming from this dumpster fire of a game.

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i sure love the believable alt history world where genoese florida is simply called mayaca instead of literally anything italian. i swear they just didnt play the game past 1500, this shit is so immersion breaking.

>>2421189
Alabama, Iowa and Kansas are named after native tribes that lived there.
Mayaca is the tribe that lived in Florida.
I recommend educating yourself so you can immerse yourself better.

>>2421189
1.4 will fix colony names.

>>2421189
>"Holy Aegyptian Empire"
>instead of literally anything italian

So what happened with the forum megathread about UI feedback?
Is tinto just going to straight up ignore it?

Achievements are an honor system, yeah you can cheat, but the assumption of what is honorable changes if you need to hijack the game's exe to cheat vs cheating being the default conditions because rules allow it. Whether you care about honor in general and/or how much you apply the concept to something as relatively trivial as videogame cheevos changes person to person, but the default assumption of what IS honorable serves as a baseline.

You are perfectly allowed to do Ironman only run for the hardest achievements under the new system if that's your thing, but don't try to make it a nuisance for people who don't want to engage with Ironman for whatever reason.

>>2421222
They should make the achievement tiered. Just outline the ones gained in ironman with gold and the normal games silver or some shit.

Anyone seen the AI using the unit lending system yet? Will 1.3 finally be the update where AI coalitions will challenge France?

>>2421231
They just made a huge mistake with the way they coded UI modding so no one can realistically play with ironman is the issue, well that plus lots of game breaking bugs which is just not acceptable when it may take hundreds of hours to complete a late game achievement run. I'm really surprised that they went with this route but well it's sort of pragmatic change from them. Hard to go back from this though.

5.5 bongs until the update

1.3 is a disaster
1.4 will fix everything

>>2420546
This is proof for me thay i was wrong, i was played for a fool
This was one of those things that they used as proof of vision, just like mission trees. As long as those fundaments were untouched i could have believed in the devs. I know it might be overdramatic to you, but to me its really fucking over.

>>2420514
>it just weeks
>global economy runs out of money 50 years into the game

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>>2421257

What's the point of having a gorillion provinces if you need to control the whole area to make it realistically work?

It's up
>https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/open-beta-1-3-live-now.1926511/

How annoying is the merc spam really?

>>2421288
More annoying than if money was limited resource slowly accumulating from minting.

>>2421290
or just a limited resource affected by scarcity (movement of gold to the orient) or inflation (american influx)
now every country got a nearly inflation free money printer

>>2421287
>changelog
>Societal value cabinet actions no longer cancelled on reaching max.
>Societal values cabinet action will stop if they reach max.
???

>>2421287
>Removed regular-vs-levy damage bonus.
SPACE MARINE BROS..... Not like this

>Added flavor descriptions for 25 major world cities.
>Added flavor descriptions for 23 Italian locations.
>Added flavor descriptions for 13 Greek and Anatolian locations.
Godhan...... I kneel

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>UI design is my passion

>>2421295
It remains on the list with the action but not doing anything?

>>2421298
So peasants with pitchforks are just as good as paid profession soldiers with rifles now. very cool paradox

>>2421298
WHY DO THEY KEEP CHANGING THIS

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>>2421287
>Building Upkeep now gradually increases as the years pass, starting unchanged but climbing steadily, about 50% higher after a century and several times higher by the late game.
>Doubled the cost of expanding rgo's.
>Removed glass/cloth guilds from basic European town setups.
>Removed regular-vs-levy damage bonus.
>Added baseline naval governor slot to Age of Discovery.
>Scaled ship maintenance to grow 5x across ages 1-6 to match land.
>Changed smallpox to now spawn in subtropical climates and caps its distance-based stagnation, so outbreaks no longer cluster overwhelmingly in compact Europe while large Asian continents go relatively unscathed.
>Toned down baseline pop growth modifiers: available_free_land and abundant_free_land restored to pre-bump values; cheap_food_in_location lowered from 0.003 to 0.002.
>Rebalanced RGO distribution for Iron, Wool, Horses, and Beeswax, addressing their over-concentration in Europe, by doing 34 goods swaps across Sub-Saharan Africa, Mongolia, Kazakh steppe, Arabia, Manchuria, Anatolia, Ethiopia, Borneo, and India. All displaced goods are low-value fillers (Livestock, Lumber, Wild Game, Clay).
Looking good overall desu
not gonna play the beta tho

>>2421306
>ermmm my 14000 "soldiers" (rice fed peasants with pitchforks) got wiped by 13000 soldiers (noble cavalry and mounted men with rifles in their hands) paradox fix this NOW
literally 50000 people writing this over and over on reddit

>>2421307
>AI goes bankrupt as years go on
>doubled cost of AI expanding RGOs, now they'll never do it
>removed glass and cloth guilds from basic european town setups- good fucking luck building hospitals in time for the black plague when everyone is buying your goods and you can't stop them, chud
>peasants now just as good as soldiers
>+1 arbitrary building limit
>AI won't be able to maintain it's navy into the second age
>smallpox not raping you every 3 seconds (nice)
>'tone down' pop growth modifiers to address lag issues because we can't figure out what we broke in 1.2 STILL
>removed iron, wool, horses, and beeswax from europe because we were angry euro chuds just kept winning. NO MORE GUNS GERMS AND STEEL FOR YOU CHUD
Wow paradox very great update when are you going to fix the fact that italian nations make 0 ducats a month from trade though

Why does clicking new game take 3 fucking full minutes longer than the 1 minute it did last patch

>>2421308
Levies were literally not peasants with pitchforks. We have told you this dozens of times, old man.

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>>2421313
KYS BROWN RETARD

>>2421298
levybros we are so back

>>2421316
>Also argues 10000 levies would lose v 250 regulars

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>>2421304
>peasants with guns are just as good as nobles with bling bling wings on them
yeah

>>2421323
>ERMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Not what I said kys brown retard
>>2421324
>ERMMMMMMMMMMMMM
ALSO not what I said kys brown retard

>>2421326
Post your hand

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they made it bigger

>Fixed the event "Crown the Regent" (regencies.1) granting Bishopric Elective countries a female ruler.
nooo

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>>2421327
Post your levies

>>2421329
Nice placeholder image
Post your nation and levies

>>2421330
That is the levy image that has been in the game for 7 months.
YOU DO NOT PLAY THE GAME. KYS SHITBROWN.

>>2421332
Post your chosen nation and levies

>>2421333
see >>2421316
you illiterate brown retard

>>2421334
Post hand and mation

>Think the art is supposed to be a 1-1 representation of the units in question
>Unable to imagine that not everyone thinks that.
How autistic is that?

POST THE FUCKING PATCH

>>2420421
Anyone can share pirated copy?

As someone who hasnt played a colonizer in this game so far, is it possible to just have a few large colonial subjects instead of the way the AI seems to go each game with like 20+ small randomly named subjects?

Ironman should be required for cheevos and they should unfuck the UI mods from messing with ironman.

>>2421350
Yeah but enjoy all your colonies being named viceroyalty of shittacumboofta

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I always enjoy letting an observer game run on a new major update to see what fresh horrors are happening.

>>2421355
>I'm 4 that one tranny who says China can't colonize

>>2421288
very, it makes it impossible to reasonably assess any war in the declaration screen because every single state involved will hire multiple stacks of mercenaries. any mid to late game war where there are HRE countries involved will have you using your pops to mow down stack after stack of mercenaries hired by random free cities, bishoprics or small princes since they bank huge amounts of gold because they eventually have nothing else to spend their money on

>>2421358
Is mercs debuffed in 1.3?

The new GP system is retarded. It's solely based on uniting areas. In 1358 Ashikaga is number 1 GP for no reason.

>>2421362
GODHAN dabbing on blobbers version 1

Considering how autistic they were about ensuring that every imperial village is represented in the game why didn't they give every language and country a lost of possible colonial names. Jomfruland for virgina if you are nördic, name it after your ruler or important minister like pensylvania and Georgia, name it after an important city like with New York

>>2421366
GODhan won't see this

>>2421364
But it's 100% based on who blobs hardest right

Getting rid of the damage bonus to Levies from Regulars is fine but I think they should fundamentally rework how the Levy unit works from the basic principle. As it stands, you research your levies and they are effectively an identical unit to the same-era Regular, but are hit with a penalty (base 0.5) to their combat effectiveness which is to represent their relative lack of training vs a professional.
Instead they should just have different unit stats. A levied troop (before the later ages of the game) would have worse equipment than a professional and lower morale and this should be reflected in the basic stats of the unit instead of just having a simple modifier.

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>>2421307
>>Changed smallpox to now spawn in subtropical climates and caps its distance-based stagnation, so outbreaks no longer cluster overwhelmingly in compact Europe while large Asian continents go relatively unscathed.
actually a good change

>>2421354
You can't just rename them?

When will simulatorsissies admit that the way OPMs will always have 100 proximity everywhere and a spare minister to do nothing but develop the province is fundamentally no different than having a base tax. Especially since the merc spam makes manpower moot

>>2421307
>>Added baseline naval governor slot to Age of Discovery
Do they just keep making proximity a more and more pointless mechanic?

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>>2421372
:)))))))))))))))))))))))

just started this milan game
>cant demand anything in scalliger war
>it's even based
>the event expects verona to be attacker AND defender in the same war to trigger
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>>2421358
Well how annoying is it to deal with? I wrere going to give thay armenian duchy a shoot but then I looked at the forums and right now wars seem to be a constant micromanagement of mercenaries and rushing stuff before the hanseic merc horde hits you

>>2421295
It should mean that it stops if it reaches the max it could push, not from reaching 100. So a 50->70 from a +0.3 stops but if you start from 90 and add a +0.3 it doesn't stop.

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>Therefore, it's in the scammers' best interest to minimize the number of false positives who cost them effort but never send them cash. By sending an initial email that's obvious in its shortcomings, the scammers are isolating the most gullible targets. If you trash their email, that's fine. They don't want you, someone from whom there's virtually no chance of receiving any money. They want people who, faced with a ridiculous email, still don't recognize its illegitimacy.
I am increasingly convinced johan is doing something like this but in a game dev way

whats even the point of having influenza, measles and typhus in the game when they barely do anything

>>2421198
Funny thing is that both options are valid, I don't know what >>2421189 is bitching about, there are also plenty of US cities are named after European cities.

>>2421390
Annoy you with notifications

>>2421383
idk how it is on the latest patch but i dont think they altered anything so every war is just me using my vast treasury hiring mercs to kill other mercs or bribing their mercs to fight for me instead (not really sure why this is a mechanic in the game since ive never seen the ai use it)

>>2421313
What are levies according to you

>>2421307
>Doubled the cost of expanding rgo's.
?
For what? why? What does this accomplishes?

>>2421310
>good fucking luck building hospitals in time for the black plague
Convince me hospitals are not a noob trap, black plague kills around 50% of your population, more or less than is pure luck. Hospitals changes nothing

>>2421375
No but actually yes. The colony just takes the name of the capital of the first province you colonize, since all provinces have native naves all colonies have native names but you can circumvent that by manually renaming the province BEFORE the colony spawns (you can't rename your colonys provinces). As an added bonus it makes the whole game about 100 times more thematic if you just take the colonial capital, rename it to like New Barcelona and then make a colony because now the capital of the colony, the colony itself and the market all have sensible name (new barcelona in this case) instead of asebingonva or what ever.
AI will never do this of course so all AI colonies and markets will forever be named in absolutely retarded manner.

>>2421198
Which colonies among the 13 colonies had injun names?
Which spanish and french colonies besides new mexico (which I don't think exists in the game as a colonial name) did

>>2421396
RGO's print money, increasing the cost slows down the money printer which is desperately needed.

>>2421399
Or download a mod that just gives all those provinces historical/plausible names according to the country you're playing

>>2421355
China turns into a battle royale regardless of the patch, how is that an "horror"

smallpox universalis

>>2421396
with how they nerfed production buildings it would have just made RGOs the best option to build 99% of the time. this seems to be just a heavy-handed nerf to keep them in line with each other. really they should just make RGOs require input goods (i.e. tools & lumber for mining or tools & livestock for wheat)

>>2421398
hospitals prevent "A NEW OUTBREAK!!!1!" event spam though, and help you get your resistance high so the plague doesn't turn around and hit you a second time after it's through with your nation.

>>2421403
Yes but the ability to not name your subjects or their provinces is just bad UI design, even if you rename the provinces into English with a mod they would still not be good for most colonizers for most cases so it only alleviates the most pressing symptoms, turning gibberish names into plausible but wrong names. The Genoese Florida would not be named the same way French, Spanish or English people eventually named it. The only way to address that is to remember to change the name of the key province before you set up the colony which is an extremely dumb mechanic.

>>2421402
Sounds like a good reason to also remove the ability of states to build RGOs no?

>>2421410
Doesn't really follow.

>>2421409
You can rename your colonies just fine? Not sure about their locations.

>>2421390
Diseases in this game besides plague just seems like unnecessary compute to me. Historically smallpox was a constant baby killer, not something that decimated provinces. It should be factored into the average population growth. Variolation tech should give you a small pop growth boost and vaccination a slightly larger one.

>>2421393
Alrighty then I will wait another 3 months and give the game another try then.
This game seems to be increasingly dependent on being aware of meta strategies.

>they add mission trees back after all the whining
>"The engooding of Eu5" follows after
It's that easy

>add in plague and depopulation mechanics because muh simulation
>don't bother with or realize how much computation it games to simulate repopulation
Did they fire all their computer scientists and replace them with modders? That would seem like a very Johan thing, thinking he knows everything needed to make a game and getting rid of all nay sayers

>>2421423
Everyone just vibecodes with AI now, add women and browns to that and you have whatever is happening in EU5

>>2421423
Population is extremely compute cheap. It doesn't really matter how fast or slow the pop grows it's all the same to a computer it just matters if it's static or not.

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Man...

i appreciate the 'need' to represent disease in a game that has pops but it just means that there is another annoying thing that happens to the player rather than any sort of engaging gameplay
even the black plague situation is mostly irrelevant since you always just press the same buttons each time and the others are pointless

>>2421429
Not true, if you're egypt you can loan up and put pest houses in every single province for 5k and then dodge 80%~ of the effects of the black plague. Just like that you're the strongest nation in the game for the entire campaign. Works great in MP I'll tell you hwhat

>>2420475
I was thinking the same but the last thread also had the same shit OP so I guess it's gotta be here
Downloading the beta now, did they fix everything™
I saw something about them finally making diplo automation more granular, is that in right at the start of the beta or later? absolutely absurd it wasn't in at launch

>>2421425
Then I don't know why they didn't bother with it because right now of a very rich province gets depopulated it will stay empty without player intervention

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Observer game. Very hard/very hard/high aggression. Wanted to get to 1444 before posting but I have things to go do.

>HYW doesn't end within 5 years anymore. Some French subjects actually flip and fight against them
>England not only hasn't conquered Scotland, they've managed to lose land trying to defend their mainland territory
>France has already lost their dynasty and are being lead by a woman
>Castile is back to eating Portugal before Granada. Still refuses to finish anyone off
>Ottomans are back to doing anything, Byzaboos in shambles
>Muscovy back to doing nothing, so much for that change
>Lithuania doesn't get instantly gangbanged by everyone
>China has reunified, #1 great power forever

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>>2421438
And the Orient.

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This is a slider for an integer but the slider can move to multiple points between each integer with the listed number not changing, and this includes if you use the buttons to move a step at a time

>>2421445
Make a bug report then

>>2421445
They're cutting 10% of Claudes pay for this

>>2421453
Why so they can ignore it?

>>2421457
I made a report a few weeks ago about a crash and they fixed it in the next patch. It's an open beta retard. This is what it's for.

>>2421458
I made 200 bug reports in 1.1 and they fixed one of them in 1.2 and none of them in 1.3. fuck off johan

>>2421460
>200
Post links to all of them

>>2421458
when're they fixing vassal wars?

>>2421461
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/forums/europa-universalis-v-bug-reports.1190/
go sift through the 10000 open bug reports I can't be asked. Low effort brown posts like yours get low effort brown replies. kys brown.

>>2421463
whiter than you gomez. Now post YOUR bug reports

Johan will keep making the game worse till only the most sunk cost people are left and then he'll add gacha mechanics

>>2421445
please post this at the reddit, I want to see the top 1% posters seethe

>>2421400
>Which colonies among the 13 colonies had injun names?
Massachusetts

>>2421438
>>2421439
Not a single good observation came from observer "games" posts or videos. Ever. Observer mode is a mistake

>>2421488
hi Johan

>>2421404
The long, winding, spindly lands of Yuan that run under the Kingdom of Mao, through the equally spindly orange kingdom of Koke Temur.

god this thread is so fucking retarded
>retard who plays modded and then wonders why the european only colonization rule doesn't work is back, despite being btfo'd multiple times
>MULTIPLE retards complaining about an ability to set a specific threshold of diplomatic capacity to keep, not realizing you obviously always want as little as possible (0.01) without going under, actually claiming it should be a whole 1
>leviestard back at it arguing free pitchfork troops should btfo trained soldiers you paid thousands for because he's too autistic to accept levies irl =/= levies in the game
>retards actually believing population is the biggest computational challenge in the game, as if a computer calculates 10 pops faster than 10,000 pops, despite us knowing since victoria 2 over a decade and a half ago it doesn't
>retards complaining that smallpox kills millions of chinks and indians, despite the fact that only represents less than 5% of their population
I sincerely hate all of you. You are all braindead drooling retards with no understanding of anything. How do you even turn on a comouter and type on a keyboard when you are as mentally deficient as you are?

>>2421436
It's because they didn't think the systems trough. In real life overall population grew slowly but population growth was extremely rapid. Every time times were good people bred like rats having families with 8 children and doubling every 20 years but at the same time famines were rampart and diseases more so. Population in essence was always near the cap. Additionally cities were absolute shitholes with deeply negative population growth and yet they kept growing from force of immigration from rural areas. They sort of implemented both of these but half assed them both and then gutted diseases and removed famine. Presumably because they found it in their playtesting that it wasn't fun and that people wanted the line to always go up. But without diseases and famines you have to reduce the pop growth to pathetic numbers otherwise there's trillion people before 1800 and since they want most gameplay to be around building cities you don't want those to be death pits either.
It's just the side effect of extremely under tuned pop growth and diseases that the provinces that do get depopulated never recover.

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>>2421517

>doesn't realize I'm agreeing with him
holy fucking shit this is what i mean about the thread being drooling retards

>>2421523
if posting the peasants with pitchforks blows you the fuck out then you needed to be blown the fuck out, if post the peasants with pitchforks helps your point then it helps your point

>>2421517
>>leviestard back at it arguing free pitchfork troops should btfo trained soldiers you paid thousands for because he's too autistic to accept levies irl =/= levies in the game
who say they should btfo levies contrarian retard
>since victoria 2
it's always one of you guys

the levies guy is a retard because obviously free troops shouldn't be able to compete with troops you paid thousands for
but you are also a retard for not being able to argue that point articulately and instead just spamming thre same picture like a lobotomized monkey

>>2421428
>Need to get through Serbia to get to my Greek territories
>Won't give me military access
>"Why not?"
>"I hate you and I don't trust you"
>Send them gifts
>Take on their entire debt
>Profess trust
>Increase relations
>Still won't give me military access
>"Why not?"
>"Base -10"
>Try to declare war on Serbia to forcibly march through them
>We cannot start a war when having levies raised
Bravo Johan

retarded pseud game for retarded pseuds

>who say they should btfo levies
me, i do
you pay multiple hundred ducat per unit
you pay multiple hundreds in maintenence
you pay multiple hundred for armories
and yet you honestly believe FREE troops you get FOR FREE for spending NO MONEY should be able to hold their own
you are completely clueless about game design, balance, and how to make a game, the fact paradox is actually listening to you braindead fools due to how vocal you are means this game will never be good

>>2421520
Powerful

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>>2421527

>>2421530
They promised this would never happen and that you'd be able to forcibly march through another country who was refusing military access and then promptly restricted it to #1 gp. Ffs just let us demand and take military access and give the nation that we march through a free casus beli with drastic aggressive expansion reduction.

pitchforks
claude
ULM WC
kiev

>>2421532
>it's one of those retards who refuse to reply to posts.
have a nice day I guess.

you dont deserve (You)s

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>>2421535
I'm a little confused on the concept of military access in general. Was it really a thing in medieval times? Did the crusader armies really politely ask every single little principality from Paris to Jerusalem whether they could oh so carefully march their armies in their cities' vicinity?

what the fuck do you mean "refuse to reply to posts"
i am replying, you made a post and i'm replying to it
oh you mean i don't link your post number because im not a mouthbreathing child who can only follow a conversation if there's a link to the preceeding post included everytime

>>2421543
he doesn't get a popup on his multiplatform multimonitor scroll device that lets him shill 30 forums at once if you don't directly reply to him and he has to manually go back in his history to shit up our thread

>>2421542
They should have just replaced it with food access. Doesn't make sense for both concepts to exist independently of each other
>military access but no food access
You can move through, but your troops will starve to death
>food access but no military access
You can fully supply your troops from their territory, but you also can't access their territory to get food.

>>2421549
That would cause the AI starting retarded wars to starve to death though and we can't have that, nevermind why it starts wars in the first place having demented logic

I don't know what the guys issue with pitchforks even is. In real life peasants would often use extremely improvised weapons which did include pitchforks, clubs, shovels, axes at the very least, scythes probably as well. Peasant revolts would use these to basically the modern day. Pitchfork isn't even a particularly bad weapon, it's just a bit awkward spear, still plenty of reach and good amount of stabbing power. Peasant levies would use them more seldom but still often enough, using more "real" weapons mostly because actual lords knew that throwing actually unarmed peasants into enemy man at arms would not end well. Some places would mandate that peasants own weapons specifically so they can arm themselves to be levied like the bowmen of England but swords and spears were also common, even in those places you might still need to show up to a muster without a proper weapon so you just grab something else.

The primary difference between peasant levies and everyone else isn't really the weapons, while peasants might have come with pitchforks on occasion pitchfork can still kill. The key difference was more in the armor and lack of training and poor morale these guys would have. Professional troops would shred them and they would run long before they got shredded. They are still handy to bring in with your army though since they can do all sorts of labor and quantity has a quality of it's own.

Of course in the game professional troops should shred levies just because that makes better gameplay but professionals did shred peasant levies historically so it's not like that's a contradiction and yes peasants sometimes did fight with pitchforks.

>>2421554
>mostly because actual lords knew that throwing actually unarmed peasants into enemy man at arms would not end well.
Sounds like AI logic should dictate that that's a bad idea then
>Some places would mandate that peasants own weapons specifically so they can arm themselves to be levied
This is an existing estate privilege in the game and it drastically affects how good levies are but makes peasant rebels much more dangerous, which is great.
>The primary difference between peasant levies and everyone else isn't really the weapon
I have cannons in 1440, opinion disregarded past this point.

>>2421542
>Was it really a thing in medieval times?
Yes and no. No in the sense that it's not like there's anything anyone can really do to an army that actually insists on coming on trough unless they can physically fight them off.
Yes in the sense that unless you plan on fighting everyone you are better off simply asking for permission. You aren't going to buy any friends by running an army in unannounced and unwelcome and the way feeding an army works armies are extremely susceptible to even vastly inferior forces intent on slowing or stopping you. That's why they built thousand castles that all had to be sieged down.
Also in real life diplomacy was more flexible than in game. It's not lords actually chose to fight instead just taking the bribe and fucking off so if it came to that you would almost always find a way to negotiate a deal for you to get where you wanted to go. Outright forbidding passage may as well be interpreted as being in league with the enemy and would have to come from position of strength as well to enforce it. In game diplomacy is incredibly static in comparison. Also in real life armies rarely fought these sort of cross continental wars they do in EU5. In real life countries didn't have "greek territories" they have to "march trough serbia to get to" because they didn't cheese the AI by no CB'ing Byzantines from England to stiffle Ottomans or what ever that guy is doing. At worst these sort of exclaves happened around coasts so you could still get there with boats or it's stuff like HRE where you could in fact negotiate passage easily enough.

The actual in game solution would be that you can ignore closed borders at the cost of reputation and opinion hits, maybe some aggressive expansion or war reps CB or something.

>Did the crusader armies really politely ask every single little principality from Paris to Jerusalem whether they could oh so carefully march their armies in their cities' vicinity?
That's pretty much what they did yes.

>>2421564
Crusader and Frankish States: The Duchy of Athens was ruled by the Brienne dynasty until 1311, when it was conquered by the Catalan Company, who held it until 1388. In 1388, the Acciaioli family of Florence captured Athens, establishing rule that lasted until the Ottoman conquest in 1458. The Principality of Achaea in the Peloponnese remained under Frankish (and later Angevin) control throughout the century.

>start by arguing against a strawman that regulars should be no better than levies
>move on to arguing for why regulars should be better than levies which none objects
Where do these retards come from?

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How are you supposed to survive this? It spawns every month.

>>2421564
In fact I should expand this point because it can't be stressed enough.
In real life moving with ships is the preferred way but this is not how it works in game because in game your attention is the primary resource. If I want to move an army from A to B the easiest to do so is with a single click if there's a viable land connection. It really should be easier to move with ships but it just isn't because of multitude of reasons like the automatic movement isn't smart enough and there's no river ships with river access etc. If I was forced to play with speed 1 and there were river boats and land movement was realistically cumbersome then I would always use ships to move everywhere but it isn't and I'm not locked to speed 1 so I will just click and if necessary ask for mil access because that's still just like 3 more clicks. If I have to stuff my army into boats and do that manually because auto transport sucks balls then that's going to take lot more clicks to execute which is just not viable. Even ships themselves kinda suck in game because AI cheats trough fog of war and knows if you are using unescorted transports and hunts them down instantly while in real life ships travel faster than information.

>>2421554
And sometimes peasant armies shredded regulars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hemmingstedt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grandson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Golden_Spurs
>inb4 militas aren't levies
Then maybe they need to rework levies altogether?
>better gameplay
And some people think having millions of levies you can't use for anything but sieges is bad gameplay

>>2421564
>>2421574
Historically merchant ships could also be conscripted while in game all you get is fishing boats from your burghers.

>>2421571
Just because you are brown and you somehow bought a mouse without a scroll wheel does not mean the rest of us cannot operate this website

>>2421576
The first one is the only one with actual peasants in it and they did the winning by drowning the opposition. It's not like peasants always lost but it's pretty grim tale if you look how most peasant revolts end.
>>inb4 militas aren't levies
Well trained town militia aren't peasant levies yes. In game those would be burgher levies or if such a thing existed soldier levies.

>>2421578
Where did people say levies should be as strong as regulars? Can you link it or are you another 30+ retard who got nothing going in his life besides starting shit online?

>>2421581
see >>2421578

>>2421581
see >>2421576

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Wait how the hell did this woman get blond hair? Hopefully I can breed this mutation into my royal line.

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>1340
>Castile going after Aragon
>Hungary going after Austria
What is this game simulating?

Also am I going crazy or does Milan get a scripted white peace with Verona now?
I wiped all their armies and the game cucked me out of taking land or money.

I think noble levies should be strong though, they have the money to buy themselves equipment and train a lot in their life

>>2421585
We sieged Wien irl

>>2421588
It was Hungarian clay in Iron Century.

>>2421582
Retard

>>2421583
That does not argue that levies should be as strong, just that levies should not be worthless trash.
Have fun being a spiteful retard.

levies are fine

>>2421586
It's a sort of universal problem with a system like this because it has to represent many situations simultaneously. Noble levies probably should be basically the best troops outside of professional heavy cavalry (maybe even better than those in certain scenarios since professional heavy cav should be incredibly expensive) but because they are "levies" they are chained to the peasant levies which should be basically forever shit. At the same time levies from town militias could be basically the top of the line as far as solid core of any army would consider but within that group there's humongous difference between the well armored and trained groups and the couple lads that you just rounded up.

>>2421590
Okay I will

>wonder why the economy is shit
>all goods are worthless
>huh
>demand is higher than local production
>check price
>giant local supply because the stockpile is full
>stockpile doesnt deplete because imports
we have decided wool is worthless because the local jews have a giant warehouse full of wool they refuse to sell so we have to import wool instead from other markets where the local jews have similarly sunk prices
meanwhile everyones artisans everywhere are going out of business because merchant-jews have similarly nuked the prices of all other goods too with their fancy warehouses of goods

>>2421585
venice is warleader now, and they will just peace out for cash because they cant take land with the cb
theres supposed to be an event for you to claim either parma or bresa but it has a literally impossible requirement
your only possible chance is getting enough siege warscore to seperate peace out for vassal parma

>>2421594
This is what happens when every market has a warehouse instead of every province having it's own warehouse that it pulls supply and trade from.

>>2421594
They are selling, they are just importing faster than you are consuming. Increase demand or lower supply or export since you have it cheap.

>>2421589
And between 1485 and 1490

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>>2421596
no this is what happens when johan randomly adds a new modifier without adjusting how anything works around it
>>2421597
the stockpile remains 99.99%
the trades make next to no money
the price is not actually increasing

>>2421595
>theres supposed to be an event for you to claim either parma or bresa but it has a literally impossible requirement
I don't even know why I still bother with this game at this point

>>2421600
Not only is the price increasing in your screenshot but ye of course the stockpile says high when the effective supply is the same as the effective demand. What did you expect would happen when there's enough of the product on the market?

>>2421602
>What did you expect would happen when there's enough of the product on the market?
That the price wouldn't drop to 90% off clearance sales levels maybe

>>2421605
Unpause and it should fix itself no?

>>2421602
23 local demand
12 local production
burgher imports with almost no impact on effective supply make the balance even
this means stockpiles remain stable
but because stockpiles are stable the price is in the gutter because someone somewhere bought a bunch of wool 50 years ago and sat on it
the price remains below average forever despite demand being almost double supply

>>2421608
see >>2421600

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They just gave all the iron to the pajeets, SEA still ironless and doomed to... I don't even know, my campaigns there always end before iron is an issue or because getting iron is impossible

>>2421611
>erm we must give the guns germs and steel to the asians
Why? lmao paradox trannies seething

>>2421611
bro SEA is like 50% lumber, you exist to make charcoal for the chinese market
at least you can make bog iron

>>2421609
The supply and demand are the same in that image. But I get what you mean now, the supply from stockpile is bugged I think.

>>2421564
>Also in real life armies rarely fought these sort of cross continental wars they do in EU5. In real life countries didn't have "greek territories" they have to "march trough serbia to get to" because they didn't cheese the AI by no CB'ing Byzantines from England to stiffle Ottomans or what ever that guy is doing.
Monferrat gets an event shortly after game start for either a free cb on the Byzantines or free land altogether if you convert to Orthodoxy

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>>2421615
effective supply and total supply are different things

look at this screenshot instead, my market has 0 (!) local silver production
imports supply the local demand
in previous patches this would mean prices would be high
instead the price is almost half of the base because we have a jewish warehouse (half) full of silver artificially dumping the price

>>2421621
In your screenshot the supply is 3 times as high as demand. In the previous patch that would have resulted in bottomed out prices

>>2421625
holy ragebait

>>2421611
post japeen please sir

>>2421594
What's happening is that because EU5 is a forever surplus world there's another market that has even a surplus of even cheaper wool, and they're dumping all that shit on your market.

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>>2421621
Is this a problem if they're actually consuming the stockpile? All that silver has to go somewhere

Merc spam got so bad that people forgot when wars were just endless levycide by your regulars

>>2421679
KEK

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>>2421667
its not consooming the stockpile, demand is filled by imports
it just sits there depressing the price jewishly
here's an example of a somewhat successful england, ai economies globally are nuked
france is worth 47 tax base here, yeah they lost land but this is a joke

on another note all catholic countries have latin as court language after a while because the clergy always demands it as a parliament concession if you want their support

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>>2421683
meanwhile in morocco

>>2421679
Gra-Granada-kun...

>>2421683
>grossenglandiums winning the HYW
Based?

>>2421667
>Is this a problem if they're actually consuming the stockpile?
The thing is currently bugged so it doesn't actually consume stockpiles to supply it to the market from the stockpile. The guy who is seething just fails to articulate this point.

>>2421694
the stockpile isnt supplying anything

>>2421699
Yes it is, it's in all of your images.

>>2421694
Did they do any economic overhauls in this game or are they just breaking unrelated shit by random

>>2421690
That's Angloburgundiums to you

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>>2421703
you are actually this retarded
effective demand is a price calculation, it has nothing to do with actual supply impacting good availability or stockpiles
i will make this easy for you to understand, just look at this image
nothing is leaving the stockpile
nothing is pretending to leave the stockpile
the stockpile just exists independently but affects prices even if it is unused

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It is Christmas morning, 1399. A small group of Franciscan priests scribble tirelessly in their ledgers about the country they find themselves in. Sent to Japan from from their mission in China, nominally to further spread the Christian faith to the East, but in reality due to the new Ming Emperor's waning tolerance for the fledgling community of "unharmonious elements" as they are now being dubbed by the increasingly persecutory Chinese authorities.

Nevertheless in Japan they find themselves in a remarkably stable nation. The Shogun's authority is unparalleled with anything known to them in from the West. He is esteemed as the most legitimate ruler on Earth, bar none. If one thing is certain in their mind it is that the rule of the Bakufu will reign for many decades more, nay, perhaps even centuries based on their estimation of the present situation of Japan.

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The Monks, still enjoying the holy period go out to celebrate another momentous occasion, the turn of the century in to the year of our lord 1400. Proceeding in a candlelight vigil they march to spread the good word of the wonders of our lord's birth a mere 14 centuries ago, and the immanency of his second coming. Walking through the well swept and peaceful streets of Kyoto they delight in seeing the beaming smiles and warm pleasantries of the Japanese, ever courteous and civil.

Day slowly turns to night as the land of the rising sun becomes the land of the setting sun, tired after a full days proselytizing they set forth back to their makeshift monastery, truly this quiet and happy land is ready to receive the word of the Lord. From a distance they hear the marching of footsteps, "have we neglected to remember some quaint and misguided peasant festival?" a young monk thinks before a flaming arrow strikes him in the chest. His robes immediately engulfed in an inferno of unprecedented and unprovoked violence they now find themselves in. It would seem, simultaneously, at exactly 0:00 hours on January 1st 1400 every single Japanese person has become a feral beast.

The few holy men who survive the mob and retreat to their dorm barricade the door with a sturdy beam of wood, but it does them no good. The bloodlust of the enraged Japanese people sees them tear down the door near instantaneously, slowed down only by them simultaneously attacking each other. Every Japanese person in the world on January 1st 1400 at exactly 0:00 has become possessed. Is this the end times? Is the rapture upon us? The men cower, some praying, some weeping, but all of them no doubt furious that this has been allowed to happen in such a meaningless and poorly coordinated way.

>>2421712
I think this makes sense, even if it's obtuse.
Real supply 10.16 + burgher imports 9.76 = real demand 19.92. Burghers are importing enough to exactly balance real supply and real demand, because the price where they're importing from is cheaper than milan, so it's profitable.

The wool stockpile meanwhile is unchanged, which means it's either collecting dust, or wool is being used at the same rate it's being replaced. Its existence suppresses prices because it represents an overstock of wool, basically the market is willing to pay less for wool because it already has a buffer saved up. The "effective supply" from that is just a drag on the price.

The only reason this presents a problem is because everything everywhere is overstocked so prices crash all over the place on every good.

>>2421715
RailroadGODS won

>>2421707
They did just add this as a feature but it's bugged because it's a new EU5 feature so of course it's bugged.

>>2421716
but there is no reason for the stockpile to affect prices at all
the way it works now is that it always supresses prices, whether you have an abundance or a deficit unless you have a superregional lack of the good to the point you never actualyl build up one
just think about this, the abundance of wool in england supresses the wool price in all of europe to the point of trades being unprofitable simply because trade centers built up stockpiles
the material conditions of supply and demand havent changed
i just bought 500 wool 50 years ago, kept the imports the same
and the price halved
english woolmakers are going bankrupt because i bought wool and now i'm pretending to have a lot of it when in reality i'm still dependent on their export to fill my needs

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Elsewhere in the world the Iberians powers are just beginning to explore the West coast of Africa, their journals noting the societies they find there. All these centuries they had heard talk of barbarous brutes to the South, but instead they find the land flourishing. Literacy rates are far higher than the European average, when asked if they keep slaves, as is the custom in the Middle East they are met with shock horror. The translator hurriedly makes the point emphatically, "How could we enslave people of our own religion and culture? We Africans have never done that, nor would we ever do that."
The Iberians are impressed to discover West Africa is a far more developed and civilized place than Europe.

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The Yuan dynasty has long since fallen and been replaced by the Great Ming dynasty. All of China now respects the authority of the new empire.

Well, almost all of China. The Emperor has decided he will respect the perpetual authority of the breakaway kingdom of Chen, also Mao can have some parts of Shandong, oh and of course a landlocked remnant of the Yuan in Kaifeng. This is no way affects the legitimacy of the Ming dynasty in any capacity, it is thought. If anything leaving breakaway feudal remnants alive forever actually makes the Emperor more legitimate, it is said.

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>>2421715
Historians don't want you to know this but this is exactly how it happened
I'm glad Tinto is educating us, the people must know

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In Europe the King of Hungary has wisely seen fit to expand into the Balkan peninsula. When explained to him that he could not in any meaningful capacity administer this territory he simply shrugged and said there was no reason not to, as the territory would never revolt or breakaway despite being entirely the wrong religion, culture, and the state exerting no control there.

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The remnants of the Mongol state in Europe maintains it's authoritarian rule of the steppe. This, despite perpetual civil war, and having only 25 men to police the 8 million square miles of land they control. The Russian principalities still respect their awful presence and pay homage to them.

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It is not merely the European Mongols who are so efficient in governance, for in Iraq the populace, so enamored with their Mongol overlords, have near universally adopted their culture. Where once they rode camels and smoked hashish now they ride horses and drink kumis. So thoroughly assimilated are they now that it is said one can walk through the city center of Baghdad and not hear a single word of Arabic spoken. Even if you could it would be drowned out by the impromptu throat singing that has become such a staple of the land.

>>2421728
Now that I think about it more you're probably right, since it's 75% just like imports maybe the idea was to consider using goods from a stockpile as affecting supply like "imports", since a stockpile can be filled by imports. Except that the entire stockpiled supply counts as "supply", rather than the net deficit of the stockpile (what's being taken out of it)

Just another one of 9000 problems buried under the great big elephant in the room of "oversupply everywhere"

>call emergency parliament button
>press it
>starts debate with no debate
>ends after a day
>lost 10 legitimacy
kek

>>2421758
It makes perfect sense that when warehouses are full of some item that the price of said item gets lowered. That's supposed to stop over production / over imports which then lowers the stockpiles which raises the prices. The idea is sound. There's just large issues with economy balance and overall oversupply and the whole thing is probably bugged giving 10 times the effect than what it should.

>>2420421
Update is pretty good honestly.
why the fuck did the game not release like this?

>>2421761
I guess the root problem is that the goods are free so producers can stockpile to no end.
>England collects wool from RGOs, which operate at no cost
>England sends the free dupe glitch wool into stockpiles, driving the local price into the shitter
>they sell this 0.000001 pence wool abroad which drags all other prices into their respective markets' shitters
>but they have more dupe glitch abusers than the other countries, so their prices are slightly lower, therefore everyone else can have rock bottom prices but their prices have drilled below the bedrock into hollow earth territory
>if other markets manage to lower their prices they can just race to the bottom a little faster
>repeat for all RGO goods in all markets across the entire globe

>>2421743
how would hungary not be able to administer a territory a mere 1000km away

>>2421765
Well they couldn't do it in the 20th century with phone lines and automobiles

>>2421766
skill issue

>>2421764
grass is free so the sheep grazing on it and being sheared being free makes sense

>>2421761
if the warehouse doesnt interact with the market then it doesnt make sense for it to impact the price
like once spices get imported their price will fall through the floor because we've built up a stockpile and merchants will be making pennies. it doesnt make sense
even worse for goods that are traded in low quantities because storage is the same for all goods so while the impact on wheat price may be low, the impact on rarer goods is massive and this completely ruins the urban economy, especially early game.

>>2421769
>if the warehouse doesnt interact with the market then it doesnt make sense for it to impact the price
It's buying and selling things, just the because it's abstracting it away as steady supply level doesn't mean anything is happening. My grocery store always has the same amount of milk in it too, doesn't mean it's literally just sitting there never being sold or bought.
>like once spices get imported their price will fall through the floor because we've built up a stockpile
If there's oversupply why wouldn't the price drop.

what did I think of 1.3, /eu5/?

>>2421768
It might make sense for RGOs to not have direct inputs, but in theory they're run by pops who should be consuming food and using the calories to do the RGO work. Food which is eaten and therefore can't go to market. In reality, all food is both eaten and then sold on the market to be eaten again somewhere else. And there's like 5x as much as the pops actually need. And it only gets worse as more food production is built endlessly

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>>2421438
100 years later and we have changes
>Muscovy got going North, but is doing a pitiful job of taking on Kyiv, Smolensk, the Golden Horde, or even Sweden
>Ottomans blobbed a 5/10 empire. Hit a military wall in the West after the Pope got involved, now snaking some land to the East. Would love to see them get in a fight with Egypt
>Nothing at all happened for the Hussite wars. Bohemia remains Catholic and unchecked
>France is getting BTFO'd. 'Anglia' figured out Scotland and Ireland and is consolidating nicely, France lost the first phase of the war and the rest of Europe saw blood in the water
>'Hispania' is running away with the game untouched and rich. Them and a couple Italians are starting to colonize Africa, nothing New World yet
>Italian League situation is causing more wars which is good

I hope the new Reformation spread is good. Please keep an eye on it in your own runs.