>>2422146 Europa Universalis series focus is a time after the fall of constantinople. Due to popular demand, he was compelled to cater to obsessive byzaboos, and pulled the start date back to 1399 in Eu3:IN, ever since byzantium has stuck around as a fan favourite.
He likes when eu4 gameplay features historical maritime colonizing empires, european wars of religion, swedish empire, russian empire, ottoman empire, poland-lithuania, he likes pike and shot to napoleonic warfare, hussars and shit. Then fans just ask for more rome stuff. which doesn't gel with his mental image of what Europa Universalis is about.
>>2422146 Because Byzaboos are LARPers who cherrypick everything good about the failed state without even trying to understand why the term byzantine exists
>>2422146 Byzantium is not Rome. Byzantium was a Greek state. Rome was a Latin state. Gibbon was right and Kaldelis is a coping LARPer. Byzantium stopped being Rome when βασιλεύς Ηράκλειος hellenized the state.
You are not Roman. Even if you were your existence of perpetual failure would be an insult to Rome.
>>2422146 Paradox are notoriously bad in the writing department (just look at any of the althis HOI4 shit they did), they're more systems, coder guys. But the core idea of having to choose between a Greek national identity or a Roman imperial one is likely a dilemma Byzantium would have had to deal with in the modern age, especially reduced as it had become.
>>2422286 >But the core idea of having to choose between a Greek national identity or a Roman imperial one is likely a dilemma Byzantium would have had to deal with in the modern age It is not a likely dilemma, as you'll learn from the Ottomans who tried to deal with the "dilemma" of their empire being run by turks but culturally Arab plurality, and it only becoming an issue when they decided they need to tackle this "dilemma".
>>2422292 It is. Romeabooism is larping with legions and the city of Rome and Hellenism and "restoring Trajan's borders" and invading Great Britain and such bullshit. The whole concept of "restoring Rome" as a different entity is romeabooism. Byzaboo shit is focusing on the actual Eastern Rome, Greek culture and Orthodox religion, and reasonable expansion of a resurgent empire, Anatolia, some of the Balkans, maybe in the best case scenario the Levant and Egypt.
>>2422292 Not really. Or rather, its only half-right. Byzaboos do try to claim to be romaboos too, as a set-up for their claims of Byzantium being still Rome. Proper romaboos instead are usually obessed only on ancient pagan Rome, and dismiss anything after Costantine as a decadent christcuck parody of the original romano-greek civilization
>terminally online Byzashits will single-handedly turn around the public opinion on the Fourth Crusade Disgusting animals. Maybe the people saying that the start date should 1453 were onto something.
>>2422777 It epitomizes the Crusades entirely: A poorly led, morally absent exercise in aimless aggression so flimsy in its pretense and bloodthirsty in its intention that it got sidetracked from its objective by the promise of gold, sacked one of the most culturally significant landmarks of the medieval world, looted its treasury and then went home rich instead of accomplishing literally anything in the middle east.
Beyond the destruction of irreplaceable monuments and the utter wonton futility of the whole exercise, it directly set the stage for 300 years of muslim aggression in central europe by kicking the crutch out from under the ailing byzantine state and sending it into a death spiral that made it an easy target for the fledgling Ottomans, and thus let Europe's most strategically significant staging ground pass into the hands of an expansionist empire racially and spiritually hostile to western civilization.
>>2422751 >terminally online Byzashits will single-handedly turn around the public opinion on the rape, looting and destruction of the most important(or the second most important) Christian city and the destruction of the last bulwark against Ottoman incursion into Europe, done by the supposed protectors of Christianity
>>2422948 >hire crusaders army that's in tbe neighborhood to help you win back the throne >don't pay them >they collapse your failed state in like three months >"oy vey, why did the evil franks do dis?"
>>2422954 >open the door to the Turks just like you opened the gates of Toledo >get cocky >let 'oy vey' slip in a shitpost due to your guilty conscience Maybe try transferring your sins to another chicken again
>>2422954 >hire crusaders army that's in tbe neighborhood to help you win back the throne This would hold some merit if the actual emperor hired them and not some pissant pretender in some bumblefuck court . But fine, they collapsed the failed state and then proceeded to better that that right? No, they were wiped off the map by a Eastern Roman rump state in about 60 years with their legacy being the sack and rape of Constantinople worse than that of the Turks and a significantly worse situation for Christians in Asia Minor and the Balkans.
>>2422878 >They WANT this cringe alt-history LARP shit Wrong. Literally every single review, forum critique, reddit essay, is about how this is ahistorical 1300 years out of date larping makes no sense.
>>2422981 Yes, because it doesn't make sense. Because Paradox has fun with alt-history. It isn't serious, it will never be serious, and no amount of seething about Paradox not taking it seriously will change it. Cope, seethe, mald.
Play EU 4 mod Third Odyssey: Back to the Motherland - full on larp with running away to north america, having new mechanics depending what you decide to bring with you (silk, books, greek fire, venetian shipbuilding etc), creating Janisaries out of indians LOL, reforming orthodoxy or going full pagan LARP. It also has really good mission tree that ofers different endgame paths - full on isolationism and taking both of americas for yourself, creating a world spaning trade empire going full navymaxxing, or returning to europe to kill turks and restore rome
>>2422923 How does it prove your point? The Ottomans had a system that worked forever. They decided to try and fix something that wasn't broken and ended up fucking themselves over by doing so. Your point is "it's inevitable that they would go full retard and then have to deal with the consequences".
>>2423002 >alt-history. But the alt-history should be >what if East Rome survived the 15th century and into the modern era You know, how it would actually handle the era of colonialism, enlightenment, new technology, that shit. Not "what if we larped as legionnaires in 1600 AD"
>>2423030 I have played it before, and it's currently being ported to EU5. It will work in EU5 much better because of the pop system as well, the system they used for American natives was really janky. >>2422976 Greece has paid denbts actually, right now its debt to GDP ratio has fallen under Italy.
>>2422878 >He is giving Byzantoboos what they want. They WANT this cringe alt-history LARP shit. Byzaboo here This shit is fucking stupid. Do not want.
>>2422146 >>absolutely zero plausible content as to how that state would evolve in the early modern era outside of anachronistic LARPing >>no material on the issue of nationalism, industrialization, colonial exploration in Asia, diplomatic maneuvers with Western Europe and Russia Yeah because it's not fucking plausible you retard "durr what if the byz manifested gorillions of tons of gold and hundreds of thousands of soldiers and killed all da turks!!" that wouldn't fucking happen and it didn't happen in actual history either, there's no way to guess or reason a path for the Byzantines because there is no thing as a "path" for them, by the start date they were a bunch of bandits squatting in a few towns and collecting tax while waiting for somebody to destroy them.
>>2422959 >>open the door to the Turks just like you opened the gates of Toledo Yeah it's not like it was the Byzantines who married their fucking princesses off to the Turks and gave them their first piece of land on Europe proper for FREE or anything.