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>>42218690
Flat Earth is an attempt to derail the formation of cosmic consciousness from observation and contemplation of the night sky.
You can fight TPTB by buying and using a telescope.

>>42218690
if the bodies in space are rotating, or a flat earth is, you turning around means left and right swapped, there's only one rotational direction just like being inside a tube that rotates one way, you turn around and clockwise becomes counter clockwise...

>>42220810
>you turning around means left and right swapped
Put a clock on your ceiling. No amount of you turning around will change the direction of the clock hands' motion.
>just like being inside a tube
A tube is three dimensional, though. For this to work with flat earth, you would have to be looking through the earth to the underside.
But you are right.
Look out one side of the tube and it spins one way.
Look out the other side and it spins opposite.
So how is that like earth?
Well if you look up in the northern hemisphere it spins one way.
And if you look up in the southern hemisphere it spins opposite
So looking up in the northern hemisphere must be the opposite direction from looking up in the southern.
Congrats - you have proven the earth is not flat.

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>>42220810
the southern hemisphere countries are looking out into three different directions when they face south. how is it possible for them to all see the sky moving clockwise around the same celestial pole? they should all be seeing 3 different skies

>>42218690
no they don't. southies aren't real.

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>>42218690
That is because the sky looks around due to the dome and the effect of the light shining on the dome and the supposed stars and planets outside are nought but fancy plasma effectively.

The stars and constellations themselves were put there at the beginning of the creation of the world to tell a story and act as markers.

The whole globe earth event and earth revolving round the sun (it doesn't, because the sun actually revolves around the earth) is false and made up because, gallileo galleii and every other man with a telescope who said the earth revolved around the sun was trying to cover up for the fact they were using their telescopes and observatories to look at other mens wives and daughters and kept making up stuff when they were caught so they would'n't get strung up in the town square for voyerism and other sexual deviancy, do remember that galleo was an italian man you know what they are like now, so just imagine what he was like back then.

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>>42221646
>every other man with a telescope who said the earth revolved around the sun
What about the guy who said it over a thousand years before telescopes were invented?

>>42221336
this is where they either just ignore your point or get really really creative as they try to defend their fantasy.

>>42221702
kek

>>42221671
Just another dirty old man looking at other mans wives and daughters, and probably boys especially back in them days with a light catcher or something similar.

It is such a ludicrous thing to thing of (the earth revolving around the sun) that it straight away takes people minds of what you were actually doing (that being voyeristic sexual degenerate behavior).

The this whole concept of space, nasa and the globe earth is just the last dying breaths of a movement dreamed up to stop people questioning, thinking of and acting against the kind of vile sexual degeneracy the epstein files are disclosing.

>>42221090
What if the heavens are the tube so the stars are spinning around us

>>42218690
Flat earth is theist cope.

>>42225434
cope is when globe earthers gonna lie to flat earthers.

>>42225437
prove it's flat

>>42224429
>the earth moving around the sun makes me think of voyeuristic sexual degeneracy
...That's just you, anon.
You have a sick mind.
Normal, intelligent people can be horrified by child abuse and still understand simple observations.
>>42225202
That still requires people to able to go to the "other side" of earth and look in an opposite direction.
Which means the Earth is not a flat disc nor an endless plane.

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>>42218690
nigga watch this!

>>42229722
Except the rotation we see in the sky is from directly below (or above), while what you posted only works because you are looking from the side.
Are you being dishonest, or did you genuinely not understand that?

>>42220810
This.

>>42234102
nah, otherwise the sun would start turning backwards

>>42218690
Can you show me irl not made up?

>>42234912
can you leave, jeet?

>>42234912
Yes. First, go above the arctic circle and watch the night sky for the whole night. Then, go do the same thing below the antarctic circle.

>>42235218
flat earthers think the south doesn't exist

>>42235293
I'm more confused by what exactly is being asked.
Do they want a 30 second clip that condenses 12 hours to be "real life"?

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>>42234952
>>42235218
Idk who OP is but probably one of you.

Did you confirm your own model first at least? I hope you didnt just watch a 10 sec fake sim and accepted that. Send me a real example so I can verify it as well. If it's as you say and has been for billions of years surely u can find me something to work with here.

Pic is South Africa, Australia, and tip of chile. All facing south. I don't see anything different really. I didn't specify a time or anything. show me what I'm supposed to see so I may learn the correct way as well.

>>42235311
i'm not really sure. you could do that, but they they would say that is CGI. just like how they say the long arctic days are CGI

>>42235324
>Send me a real example
Specify what you mean. The only "real example" of seeing the rotation of the sky is to go outside and look at it for the entire night.
>I don't see anything different really.
Because they all look at the same thing. Which is impossible on a flat earth.

>>42235324
hmm chile and south africa both experience night hours at the same time. can you explain how it's possible for them to both be facing different directions but they both see the same night sky at the same time?

>>42235334
r u the same dude from pol? or OP? or both?

I assumed u were so u should know exactly what I'm talking about. If not I apologize but I am still cooking here ong

>>42235358
No one knows what you are talking about in any of these threads, namefag.
Specify what you meant, or get laughed at for not being able to.

>>42235367
he's unironically a troll. he switches to a tripcode whenever he wants to draw attention away from people calling him a pajeet

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FE conveniently matches globe when it comes to sky positioning. I agree. Won't stop me from looking myself though. It does not mean both can't be true. No pre-assumed notions like you have. So anyways, if you wanted to be completely fair about it, in my opinion, it's not good enough for smoking gun on either side. Still a piece to the puzzle tho.

Example is like refraction to the lens experiment. refraction is SUPER convenient for the globies and used as a scapegoat but, it's an answer. so you have to respect it unless u can prove it wrong - yourself. So laser test vs refraction I also believe it's too in depth to seriously prove.

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>>42235389
>FE conveniently matches globe when it comes to sky positioning
>facing different directions magically lets you see the same thing
poo poo saaaaaaarrr

The first globes were just spherical maps depicting the Eastern nations, without the New World. Until they publicized the existence of the New World.

>>42235405
Shut op Mother bloodi ,

>>42235407
saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar

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>>42235389
>FE conveniently matches globe when it comes to sky positioning.
But they dont.

>the top center of the magic dome is way down by the floor edge
lol flerfers

>>42235489
no dude you don't get it. you can't see the little dipper because it is too far away. no, i will not prove it by pointing a telescope at the sky to see it in the southern hemisphere. I JUST WONT OK CHUD?

>>42235407
not me I must call it out by merit I would never say that :P

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the bot

>>42221336
>>42221702
see how this is being ignored

>>42218690
Thanks, the only good thread on /x/ in days

>>42235324
I remember sleeping in a gas station in Patagonia and it was surreal to see the sky, it was like seeing many galaxies and all those strange bright things up close. I mean, in person, those things look three times better or bigger than in photos

>>42237711
I'd agree on the stars, but the Milky Way itself is less colorful and prominent in real life compared to those long exposure, high saturation photos.

>>42237711
feels bad being a northerner. we don't get a good view of the milky way

>>42218690
No dumbass Polaris never moves no tilt no solar system no galaxies and no motion stop facing south.face north reference frame dumbass.ifntou went college or have any "education" you cannot use compasses

>>42235328
It's true. When Australians look up, they see CGI put there by Satan to deceive mankind.

>>42238372
Polaris has shifted over the course of human history. Ancient greek writers noted that the celestial pole was empty and had to calculate it's position relative to the nearby constellations.

>>42221336
>>42221702
I think the line they rehearsed for this on is: The motion to the sky is irrelevant to the shape of the ground. Which is really funny the first few times you hear it.

>>42238419
the closest explanation i've heard from them is that everyone has their own sky dome which only they can see, but the problem with that is that star navigators would no longer be able to share information between each other if they all have a different measurement for where the stars are

>>42238604
The hardest thing with these flat earth explanations is wondering if me trying to understand them is giving it more thought than they themselves are.
Like I think I also heard someone say something a long the lines that the three relevant places in >>42221336 have night occur at different times, so I guess the southern cross could just magically move to be visible from each of those at different times? But I genuinely can't say if that was their argument, or I've interpreted that into something that made even less sense.

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>>42225434
Both atheism and agnosticism are naturalist positions thus not creationist positions. Its a TRUE DICHOTOMY NO POSSIBLE 3RD POSITION
Both atheism and agnosticism are positions of non-positions, the difference is agnostics say they dont have enough information to make the call
Both positions would still be in contradiction with 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and quantum mechanics

>>42238698
>night occur at different times
no, that explanation does not work. yes the constellations do move across the sky, but the pole itself does not move. all of those southern countries see the pole in the south without the pole itself moving throughout the night. it's completely impossible

>>42218690
i told a flat-retard this many years ago, even showed them time-lapse videos on YT.

and they didn't care.

you're wasting your time. they're brainwashed.

>>42220030
It's also a preparation stage because they're very clearly trying as hard as they can to block out the night sky,

>>42239371
I dunno, maybe you're a coward.

>>42239690
while i have you here, can you explain anything? or are you going to run away again

>>42239709
Wouldn't be like a mirror of some sorts? From both ends, not from south and north though. I don't all the full answers, honestly. But I'm not running. Thanks. Also, the sun is not 83 million light years away. A camera can just prove it by zooming in. If it were that many miles away, then it would be a near invisible dot or not seen at all. It's a light source inside the earth. With many other suns that circle around from other lands outside Antarctica. But, not a globe.

>>42239737
why doesn't the mirror produce a copy of the constellations?

>>42239319
this. thats the whole point, and its why flerfs ignore it

>>42239737
>If it were that many miles away, then it would be a near invisible dot or not seen at all
why would it? what if its just big enough to be 0.5degrees across at that distance?

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So far not only have every flat Earther failed to make an argument, they have failed to understand what OP is talking about. They're too retarded to even grasp what's going on.

>>42240410
And?

>>42240426
Nothing else, really.
/thread

>>42240410
the smoking gun is the south pole being visible in multiple different directions on their flat model. i want to see them wrangle that one

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>>42240410
Its just how perspective works when observing the celestial sphere. Clock wiseand counter clockwise arent cardinal directions. East to west are cardinal directions thats how we navigate angles on our flat plane

>>42241254
>if you are standing millions of miles above the star trails, and take a piece of glass you arent in, and wave it over the trails, you get something that kinda looks like what you see when you are supposedly inside this glass looking out
That is how perspective works because the earth is a globe.
You see - a globe explains these things.
A flat plane just has to go"well i dont know its magic it just works."

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>>42240836
we are talking stars so i meant south celestial pole

>>42241254
>personal dome explanation
star navigators would no longer be able to share their measurements between each other because everyone had a warped perception of the star locations

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>>42218690
Wrong Satan the stars rotate around Polaris never moves face north ad never not face north dummy enjoy truth earth

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>>42242666
>the stars rotate around Polaris
Wrong, Satan.

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>>42242657
Idk how to not sound tautological but an elevation angle is a navigation angle

>>42241254
This is exactly what I mean about flerpers not even understanding the basic geometric concept. They don't even try to understand it. They don't ask questions. They just post nonsense.

>>42244349
True tbf. If it's 100% confirmed the stars are different at the hemispheres then is that smoking gun? Esp the rotations. If you have a flat plane 100 miles long and observe the stars at one side and the other side the stars would be different so that is an explanations. Now if it actually rotates accounting for clock/counter clockwise then flats can only say the dome is rotating or something like that. Not that convincing so this is pretty good glove evidence imho although staying open to the fact I cannot prove of there is a rotating dome (to my standard)

>>42244385
You can fly to the southern hemisphere yourself and see constellations that can never be seen seen from the northern hemisphere, as well as the small and large magellanic clouds which are dwarf galaxies orbiting the milky way.

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>>42244416
I know, it's just a task. Keep in mind though we can't go that far south. Only like Aus or NZ and even then compared to northern H it's not even close. This actually supports FE in the sense you would assume the stars are the same.

Yeah this is good stuff. 1 point to globe

>>42244439
Plane flights don't go west from the USA because of fuel.

>>42244545
Do you really know that as fact? Sounds like cap. Also people circumnavigated the globe, although I think the last one recorded was 100s of years ago.

What about the Bering Strait then? When Kamchatka and Alaska were connected?

>>42244545
Oh and btw Hawaii prob goes west NO shot they go east from Cali for Hawaii

>>42244545
>>42244565
I'm a transgender disabled neurodivergent queer lesbian from India btw not sure if that matters

>>42218690
If they wanted to rectify the situation they would make diagrams and simulations based on if the Earth was flat with a firmament. It's basic logic. Assume the opposite and get into trouble. They don't actually bother to try and simulate what it would be like if it was flat. I don't think this means it's flat, but it shows they aren't actually interested in truly educating anyone.

>>42244570
Lol good one. I give a W to globe for once and I get trolled - says a lot xD

>>42244582
He's gonna try to eat you alive on this one but OP don't take it as literal. With no bias because people love to mock flerfs and not take any points serious, when some are actual good points. His point is there is no genuine good intention to be transparent to the public. Why don't they do what anon above said or use a non fish lens cam in space? kek

>>42244607
Who are you? Why are you pretending to be me? HELP I'M BEING HATE CRIMED

>>42244627
Naw dis me dud fr fr type shit ong permgate permgate I am NASA skeptic #1 fan

>>42244565
Easy to do it by boat anyhow.

>>42242644
i get it. thats what the arrows are pointing at. in reality people all look in the same direction to see the south celestial pole, but flat earth maps require them to look in opposite directions

>>42244607
>when some are actual good points
no they don't, poojeet. they never have and they never will, which is why they have to create 100 different models to counter each argument instead of a single unified one. the only side with a unified model is the globe side

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>>42244582
>They don't actually bother to try and simulate what it would be like if it was flat.
yes, they do. much more than flat earthers ever have

https://www.geogebra.org/m/C9BcVgd4

http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Advanced+Earth+Curvature+Calculator

https://www.geogebra.org/m/Ytxedv6s

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>>42244565
>we can't go that far south.
>I think the last one recorded was 100s of years ago.
Go look up Jon Sanders.

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>>42244294
if everyone had different star positions based on where they were, then sight-reduction tables would not be possible. latitude is not the only measurement you need for navigation

>>42244784
Sight reduction tables are part of the astronomy pseudoscience hyjacking. Astronomy isnt a natural science. You can't have triangles on a sphere only great circles where you get your "spherical triangles" from, its also a presumption of a star parallax from the center of earth (which is also claimed by the ballers to be NEGLIGIBLE because the amount of time it takes for the light to reach is)
I never claimed latitude is the only thing needed, thats an elevation angle to Polaris.
You need index error correction, dip angle, then 3 star fix to navigate

>>42246387
>Sight reduction tables are part of the astronomy pseudoscience hyjacking.
They work. consistently. Which means the idea that everyone has their own personal dome is wrong.

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>>42246387
it's not pseudoscience if it creates reproducible results, and lets you make accurate predictions when you want to extend the data
>You can't have triangles on a sphere
>only great circles where you get your "spherical triangles" from
yeah and you use rectangles to calculate integrals. what's your point? using stars to create great circles evidently allows people to find their place on the globe. funny seeing a flat earther accuse something of being pseudoscience

>>42218690
magic

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>>42234912
here (you) go

>>42237730
I saw it as very colorful, perhaps I was lucky to have a perfect view on a good night with a clear sky

>>42247859
Your eyes do not give that level of saturation.
I see the Milky Way every night, it isnt a matter of sky clarity.

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>>42247455
Go ahead and tell me to formula to remove spherical excess
Youre going to need that to measure the ground and use maps

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>>42218690
>how can the stars move in two different directions on a flat earth?
They can't but flatties don't care.

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Daily reminder that flatties are mentally ill freaks who abuse children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzqI7V1KvU4

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>reminder there are no triangles shown here theyre all great circles around a sphere and tangents connecting to straight lines

Followww the drinking gourrrd

>>42250895
what exactly is the problem here?

>>42251153
They willfully misunderstand line of sight and scale.

>>42249968
I'm shocked

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>>42218690

>>42251153
>>42251153
Im not the one claiming celestial navigation uses triangles on the surface of a sphere, which doesnt exist. Still waiting on that formula to remove spherical excess, Ive said it one of these threads before, you can search the archive. Grok or GPT can help you out too. The globers should be ALL OVER this one since they claim to love astronomy

Celestial navigation = measuring angles and triangulating circles of equal altitude, not trigonometry, let alone oxymoronic spherical trigonometry

>>42252266
>triangles on the surface of a sphere, which doesnt exist.
what an utterly ignorant and retarded thing to state, over and over again like you've been doing. you fucking moron.
> Grok or GPT can help you out too
lol. the morons tool of choice these days

>>42251153
>>42251153
Im not the one claiming celestial navigation uses triangles on the surface of a sphere, which doesnt exist. Still waiting on that formula to remove spherical excess, Ive said it one of these threads before, you can search the archive. Grok or GPT can help you out too. The globers should be ALL OVER this one since they claim to love astronomy

Celestial navigation = measuring angles and triangulating circles of equal altitude, not trigonometry, let alone oxymoronic "spherical trigonometry"

>>42221090
righty tighty lefty loosy

>>42252266
>>42252289
Can you show us how to do celestial navigation step by step?

Time & Date: 2026/04/15 20:40 (UTC)

Alphecca: 35°34.5'
Denebola: 53°34.5'
Pollux: 45°19.1'

>>42252317
1. I'd like to know why you're asking. Is it to make me look incredulous or to poison the well?
2. Why can't I get the spherical excess formula Im specifically asking for?

>>42252317
1. First Id like to know why you're asking me. Did you want to make me appear incredulous and poison the well?
2. Why can't I get the formula Im asking for

>>42249968
>>Daily reminder that flatties are mentally ill freaks who abuse children.

I don't see that proves much of anything, people are good, people are bad, it has nothing to do with flat earth.

>>42252341
>>42252339
>>42252289
>>42252266
he turned his bot on

>>42242644
Kek what an image. I love playing devils advocate but this next level problematic.

>>42254056
thats why flat earthers always ignore it, as they have resolutely done itt

>>42242681
Doesn't prove globe earth though.

>>42218690
Concave model solves this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJRnbCCuxVU

>>42254056
i thought about it for a few days and still haven't been able to come up with a schizo explanation for it. i can see how someone would say that the counter-rotating skies can be explained by increased warping on the firmament as you go further south, but the copy pasted celestial pole all along the firmament is a dead end for flat earthers

>>42254549
>a schizo explanation
I was thinking that the southern hemisphere was actually looking at the wall of the dome which was refracting light from another group of stars inside the dome, and the equator was the point where the observer transitions from viewing the stars directly to seeing the reflected light from the dome. I don't know if that maths out though

>>42254678
Like this lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6SK7FmNEXc

>>42254711
that's interesting, but that effect only seems to work in a single direction. the hard part is reflecting the southern stars all along the edge and avoiding any distortions as you move your perspective around the world

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>>42254678
>which was refracting light from another group of stars
Except there are two very prominent objects in the night sky in the Southern Hemisphere that have absolutely nothing similar in the North.
What "warped star pattern" do you think could possibly cause someone to see a galaxy?

>>42254259
Doesnt have to. Flerfers repeatedly make false claims, and that is direct proof of that falsity.
We can get to proving what the Earth's shape really is, once you can accept that it is not true that Polaris never moves.

>>42218690
rvundevrthtards btfo