How do I beat the proof loops? I am addicted to them even when I know they're bad for me

You have to diffuse yourself to source. Then assert the new world. Being wave means destroying all your identity and diffusion of existence to no thing.. then you have an empty canvas to paint for reality breaking stuff. It's similar to void state but more intent driven than a AP state


Verify I am a human lol been a while.

there should be a word limit. and a special exclusion on using hyper-real simulacra when talking about these things

some tell me what the idea is in less than 200 words

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>>42223843
By recognizing the universal field of presence you can ultimately reason out that everything is one thing and you are that (he reasons this out thoroughly.) Basically for any two things to exist they require a common reference field, which he calls presence. From there he draws the conclusion that anything is possible and all possibilities are available to you once you know you are that one thing. With the knowledge it will come naturally. Simply return to your state of presence (or rather, recognize that state) and then set the intention. That’s it. Do nothing to achieve everything. Existence is an expansion opportunity; it’s set up to make you feel limited at first so you can expand beyond that perceived limit, which is fun.

What kind of cool stuff have people achieved with this? Anybody raised the dead?

>>42226911
If you truly conclude that people can raise the dead with this, and in fact, that others have done so before, you will find evidence that it's true.

>>42226926
I'm not him but I truly believe that it is possible or rather it is impossible not to as it has already been done given the 12 attributes done and have been thinking about this.

Do you have discord?

I would enjoy talking to you further.

>>42223843
Universal line is the direct study of the structural reality, God, and the true nature of your self, and how the reference field that underlies all those things contains reality and is (You). It's all about Who you are. This knowledge have organizing power, because acting on the higher truth, you recognize that the world is your mind, and Totality is your true identity, which culmination is materialization of every desire to your hearts content and everlasting ascension of power trough endless fulfillment, which is human-kind true destiny.

That's my summarized understanding of it at the moment.

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All the people believing in this Universal Line shit are doing the same shit they were doing before believing in it.
All of the people who believe in Manifestation retardation are living the exact same way as before they believed in Manifestation retardation.

What further proof do you need that this shit does not work?
>Dude, you're totally god, you can do anything
Why hasn't somebody completely rearranged the universe? Why are their 'godly powers' completely thwarted by materialism? Material reality > God-like abilities apparently. I have yet to see anything, ANYTHING, from any practice of magic, occult, manifestation, anything that can surpass material laws.
Why might that be, I wonder? Because this is all B O L L O C K S. It's all fantasy. It's all retarded make believe.

To any of you tards who believe in this and have mastered it, come to me and show me. This is the smallest ask of all time btw. The shit they claim you can do with this stuff, this is a nothingburger, yet they can't do it. It would take seconds to do. Yet they can't do it.
Ask yourself why they can't do any of this shit? Why the fuck are they here on /x/ talking about this stuff all the time when they can apparently perform godly feats?
Do none of you fucks even have the ability to question this stuff? Why do you insist on just eating up any bullshit that is placed in front of you? I could understand if you saw this in action for yourself and saw the effects of it, but you never have and you never will because it's BULLSHIT. Like everything else here.

Not a single thing posted on this board works. It's all make believe for the weak minded. The material world has never been manipulated by anything outside of physical forces. You cannot move or shape things with your mind. All the limits I have in the material, these fags also have because the material rules over everything. It is undeniable. I have yet to see the materials laws be bent or broken. EVER.

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>>42227121
>What further proof do you need that this shit does not work?
What further proof do you need to understand that this do actually works? Or can work? Do you seriously believe that the myths of the past and ancient mystic traditions are just novel fiction writings? You can't be serious. The point of Universal Line is that you prove this to yourself, because it's the only way really, you are always proving things to yourself all the time. Mechanical fact prove, in fact, that the world is a reflection of your current mental state, and that you are all on your own. Everything you said about reality in this post is 100% a conclusion you hold which is using the actual power behind everything to hold that in place, it's a direct consequence of not actually knowing shit. Because if someone posted photos of manifestation results (like has happened many times on this board) or caught video proof of psychic powers, or hell, even if it happened in front of you, you will use your imagination to cope and invent an story in your head of why that's not the case and believe that instead of sticking to the bigger picture, because reality depends on your perspective then the universe will give you exactly what you want (it's ai generated or video edition, it's a lie and a larp, it was an allucination in my brain, it's just not possible mmkay!). There's evidence and proof everywhere, but you simply create excuses because you don't understand it, because you refuse to understand, you are afraid that ultimately you have to confront that this world is an imaginary realm, and what we call manifestation it's actually the fundamental structure of life.

Universal Line is 100% correct. Everything else that agrees is redudant, and everything that disagrees with it is wrong. As simple as that.

>>42227121
>All this projection
kwab, speak for your self nigger, you got serious mental issues, i have gotten results and plan to push it further, that's what expansion is all about, the fact that people can get results with anything at all means that everything works and the difference is if you accept such a thing or not and act accordingly. the only thing this proof is that you don't know as much as you think about reality and yourself or are wilfully ignorant
>muuh proof
lurk the archives, nobody is obliged to give you nothing, see the facts and decide for yourself

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>>42227241
>that the world is a reflection of your current mental state
I love this retarded cope the most because it's the easiest thing to refute of all time.
You, my retarded fucking friend, are right here with me. This world that I'm describing now? Yeah, you're here too. You're not in whatever fantasy cope you've projected, you're trapped in this same shithole as I am. That's why you're talking to me right now btw, because you're here with me.
So whatever happy flappy cope reality you've invented is verifiably proven wrong when you say the world is a reflection of my mental state because you wouldn't be here talking to me if that were so, you'd be in your happy flappy cope land, but unfortunately for you, you're here in the exact same shithole that I am.
>>42227261
You have no results. None. Nada. You haven't broken a single material rule because you can't.
>DUDE PLEASE BELIEVE ME WE'RE ALL GODS, NO, NOBODY WILL EVER PROVIDE PROOF, I CAN DO ANYTHING I WANT I JUST CAN'T PROVE IT BECAUSE.... BECAUSE I JUST FUCKING CAN'T OKAY?????

Lmfaooooooooooooooo embarrassing, have your heard yourself you fucking retard?

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>Mfw listening to manifestards begging me to believe in their bullshit
>Mfw I give them the benefit of the doubt and ask them to tell me what they've manifested
>"I manifested passing my test"
>Me - "Damn that's crazy, how did you manage that?"
>Them - "I just really wanted it and studied real hard"
...So you didn't manifest anything, you studied and the result of that study is you retained the information needed to pass. Yeah, that's called hard work, not manifestation.
Wanna know what manifestation really is? Creating something out of nothing. Which is impossible. Which none of you can do. Which none of you will ever do. And I do mean that. You will NEVER manifest something out of nothing.

Manifest me in front of you now. Do it, faggot. Manifest and materialize riches in front of you instead of fucking 'manifesting a better job', why are you 'manifesting' a fucking job, you stupid cunts? Who does that? I'll tell you who, people who know they can't manifest anything of actual worth so they cope by saying they manifested a job because THEY CAN'T JUST MANIFEST THE MONEY LMAO.

Holy fucking shit you guys are braindead. It's actually comical.

>>42227291
>I love this retarded cope the most because it's the easiest thing to refute of all time.
You either accept it or not. Refuting it's an experience and it doesn't change One-Thing. If you DON'T accept it, then you get that. How can you fuck this up?

>>42227322
Manifestation depends on your spiritual development. Most people here are either low or middling and advanced people are off doing their own thing and have no care to show off or prove to others.

Physical matter is dense. It takes time for your will to travel through physical matter. The closer your being is to matter the longer your manifestation take and the more “grounded” it will be.

Quick effortless manifestation that is “like magic” or beyond understanding or reality bending requires a very high degree of development to overcome the density of matter.

Amount sounds like to me you are angry you could never get manifestation to work so your goading and provoking others to try to proof you wrong so you will personally feel better. Your rants are a symptom of an individual who deeply desires to be proven wrong.

>>42227322
I "manifested" someone giving me an specific object just simply deciding that it's going to happen to. An specific event, just commanding it. If that doesn't count for you, fine, but it's what i wanted to happen just for the sake of it, and it did, no effort at all.
>Manifest me in front of you now. Do it, faggot.
But you won't experience it, only i will. That's the point. You are doing this goalpost moving rethoric, but the essence of UL is that if you are so committed that it cannot be done, so that's what you get. Is this simple. Nobody can do anything for you. In fact, nobody does anything for you EVER, everything that happens in your life is from you.

>>42227388
Manifestation it's just a name to just changing experience trough intention, which is the same as "magick" (not "magic" as it gets confused with stage magic, but "magick" which refers to reality manipualtion). Commanding sounds better because it implies volition but it's the same really. We're just simply moving our awareness from one experience to the next, but the experience it's all the same energetically. There's not "spiritual development" as such, just people acting on greater truths than others. UL knowledge makes you self sufficent once you have confirmed One-Thing, and metaphysically speaking, you're just dreaming the whole thing trought, including people seething at this teachings. Presence and intention it's perennial and constant, the rest is imagined.

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>>42227361
>One-Thing
Damn, yeah, I read that shit too. I just wasn't retarded enough to continue believing it when absolutely 0 results were gained for following it to a T.
You are mentally weak in that you follow shit you hear here, you put in the time, but then when you get no results, rather than correctly identifying the thing as bullshit, you just keep mindlessly believing it because you feel robbed of your time and expectations.

I wanted it to work too. It didn't. End of story.

>>42227388
>Amount sounds like to me you are angry you could never get manifestation to work so your goading and provoking others to try to proof you wrong so you will personally feel better. Your rants are a symptom of an individual who deeply desires to be proven wrong.
That is correct. In all of my rants here over the years I've never said anything to contradict that. That is exactly why I post here and I absofuckinglutely want to be proven wrong. In fact, nothing would make me happier than somebody proving me wrong.

>>42227404
>everything that happens in your life is from you.
You speak like a whipped bitch. Battered wife syndrome.
>"Dude you're here because you chose to be here, you totally agreed to this suffering existence, it's what you WANT"
It's mind blowing to me how retarded you people are.
Also there's always something why you can't prove it.
>Universal law
>Only you can experience it for yourself
>It can't be shown, it can only be experienced
Any fucking cope that needs to be invented to avoid proving anything, it will be made, even if fucks have to make it up on the spot.


>I "manifested" someone giving me an specific object just simply deciding that it's going to happen to. An specific event, just commanding it.
Wow that's crazy, why didn't you manifest some land for yourself and enough riches so you don't need to work a day in your life? Why don't you manifest the ability to not need to breathe air anymore? Why do you never manifest something of relevance?

>>42227450
Why are you so upset? The quote you posted seems pretty in line with this stuff, but you took it for the worst. Most of your comments it's just name calling, and just speaking for yourself rather than the actual core of this stuff. You threat Universal Line and Non Duality as something like LoA and New Age teachings where it's all make believe, rather than self validating knowledge that it's sufficient without any prior experience to live from. You will keep hearing the same things. For example:
>I wanted it to work too. It didn't. End of story.
"Your conclusion", "The proof loop", "Your assumptions about reality", etc. You will keep hearing the same stuff, you will keep coming up with something else, and what you get it's just two or more people using their imagination to backup their views, which makes you realize that proving things (either to oneself or others) it's a waste of time because there's nothing else to know beyond the mechanical fact of Who. Everyone get the reality they commit themselves to have (again, something you will hear a lot repeated).
If this is not for you, then why don't you do something else with your time? Not even trying to be dismissive, but if this is not for you, doesn't work for you, then why not just drop it? Chasing UL and LoA threads forever just to seethe instead of doing something for your life just doesn't seems healthy.

>>42227432
True the development is also part of the game and is imagined youre correct, however that imagined development has a definite effect over the efficacy of the manifestations. One whose mind is subdued and overtaken by matter will find manifestations slow and boring. One whose mind walks on the water of the subconscious ocean realizes their manifestations instantly like magic.

>>42227450
Allow me to introduce a concept for you called Indras Web. You may think that we are all in the same shared reality but what if that was not the case? Indras web a massive network of jewels. All connected to each other all reflecting into each other. Each jewel is a person dreaming their private dream right now. The other people you see are reflections or shadows of their jewel reality reflecting into yours. The me you see in your dream only a reflection. The same vice versa. The others in your dream a smoke and mirror. This is only an approximation of reality but it allows you to grasp the notion that you are possibly alone in your dream and are in fact allowed to have whatever you want. You thinking that you must do things correctly or to appease some overseer intelligence in order for these desires to manifest is part of your own dream. You desire money but you have cast off the power that brings you the money as a “other” an “unknown variable” that must be appeased in order for succeed to be had. Don’t you know that the power that brings you the money is under your control?

>>42227450
>Why do you never manifest something of relevance?
This is why you are so miserable. I do what i want when i want it, and i'm free to larp as much as i want on the internet because i don't need validation from some random text on a screen. You find being a keyboard warrior more fulfilling than understanding this.

>>42227482
There's nothing of value in this life. I don't particularly care how I spend my time, there's nothing here for me. I don't wanna be here, never did, never chose to.
This is the shittest place imaginable. Like whoever created this dogshit plane of existence must have really dug deep to make it as garbage as it is.
Subhuman shitskins aplenty. Boring animals that can't speak or do anything interesting.

What's the point of here? Next best thing after posting here is going out, staring at the trees for a few hours thinking about how shit this place is then coming back home to post more about how shit this place is.
No magic, no legendary creatures, extremely fragile, pathetically weak meat prison bodies that can't do anything, die without constant maintenance.

And guess what? Whatever you think you're doing that is better is a joke because you live in this same world as me as much as you want to deny it. You have the exact same constraints as me and the things that you find 'fun' I quite frankly find boring and thoroughly dull.
>>42227499
You're being rattled by what I posted so forgive me if I don't believe a word you're saying about you 'doing what you want' lmao.
You're under the same laws and tyranny as I am. Go walk into somebodies house and claim it as your own. Prove your claims to yourself and not to me. You know you won't because under the schizo pretense even you know you cannot do what you like. You play by the rules of the system because you have no choice but to do so.

>>42227493
Some things i discerned from UL:
>Reality resides in your own undivided perspective on first person, a one-thing without any dimensions or boundaries from which you percieve your experience. This field is God, is what remains even if everything else in experience cease to be, this is (You). The universe comes from your consciousness, you are existence itself, presence.
>Everything that happens comes from intention, aware of it or not.
>Everyone life in their self contained "world", which means that every experience is exclusive from one another, unless you dictate your actions and intentions for that to not be the case, and the mechanism remains the same.
>Reality is imaginary. Including pain, shortcomings, and percieved limitations. Acknowledging One-Thing, these things dissolve, and you can just simply command experiences to come to you rather than persisting on them being separated from your grasp by the mere virtue of being One-Thing.

EIther asking to some faraway entity support host or to "God" directly to come to your rescue, it's still (You). OCB, Krishna, etc, it's your greater self, which prior to your birth arranged the present circumstances for your present expansion opportunity and eventual return to your true nature as Totality. Even if you don't accept it now, or won't accept it on this current lifetime, this super deterministic power will always lead to the same destination for your fulfillment, so everything happens for the most precious reason. Yes, sometimes it sounds corny and pseudopoetic, but that's the great thing about knowing about Who, it makes everything else meaningful.

There are some really good posts in this thread. Thank you for sharing them.

>>42227493
Underrated post. Eloquently put. I hadn't thought of this thought construct as a metaphor but it's beautiful.

Do you have any other, anon?

>>42227531
You are so tiring.

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>>42227553
Perhaps you should just manifest me away if that's the case?
Or you could skip the manifesting part and just close the thread (but then claim that doing that was you manifesting me away, which is what manifestfags do anyway).

Imagine my surprise when 'god' here can't even deal with me. See what I mean about your godlike abilities ending where the material begins?
I should be a fucking philosopher.

>>42227531
>There's nothing of value in this life. I don't particularly care how I spend my time, there's nothing here for me. I don't wanna be here, never did, never chose to.
I think we can get something of value from this discussion. I have a question for you: If you got what you wanted, would you act this way? Hold the same attitude? If the answer is not, then this is not really who you are, actually? What is true doesn't change, so if your perspective depend on the experience, you're putting the cart before the horse i think. There's value on keep acting diligently on these practices and general constructive daily living habits even if you feel this way because you know it matters, unless you don't really know that. Pessimism and fatalism it's a byproduct of not really knowing better and thinking mistakenly that we cannot get what we want, which also means that you haven't confirmed this stuff by yourself first.
>>42227565
But (You) are God. You are actually making the rules here, which includes "Nope, i WON'T leave this thread, and you will hear what i have to say", and on you go. UL and non duality it's an entirely first person thing, you are not applying it correctly if you try it on something else beyond your direct experience (There's no reality beyond your own, because even if you got that, it will still be you).

>>42227551
Yes and it will be for the purpose of helping this guy because he needs it

>>42227565
You have let your eyes become blind with lies that there is evil everyhwere. Eyes that see evil are unfit to gaze upon the kingdom of God. To create there must be union of male and female to dissolve there must be a separation. To make manifestation you combine a thought and emotion male and female. To break one you must separate a thought from its corresponding emotion. And see they are both empty and without inherent meaning.

Ask yourself to what purpose was your posts? To dishearten others in their chosen path? Is that a worthwhile or noble endeavor? Is such a person deserving of the money they keep trying to manifest?

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>>42227450
>You are mentally weak in that you follow shit you hear here
You follow anything you read, hear or learn anywhere all the time that confirms the things you know already and are predisposed to follow. The difference is accepting responsibility for the ideas you absorb because you obey what naturally captures your imagination instead of insisting that you were tricked or something when you had the final say all along. I could be doing anything else, and yet i follow these teachings not because i believe them to be true, but because i know they are, not for "me" but "everyone" and everything which is that same field. Really, we're not so different, but where all this "collides" just like the tectonic plates do it's that it all comes down to choice. The readers of this thread will side with UL teachings if they are commited to it, if they reason with them and everything they have learned so far culminates there in this present spot on their line of expansion, but so it's the other way around for skeptics and radicalized LoA failures, but all this it's just fiction on this site because our lives themselves are fictional, nothing that is happening now is really everlasting but temporary and the current "physical world" is not the same one from 4000 years ago which has their own discourses and own variation of stubborn skeptics who assisted the coverup at the time. Nothing impede us in total privacy to just decide once and for all that this world is a personal dream and setting your lives upon this course already knowing how it ends. I think there's immense value that despite what happens to us or not, still holding onto our higher ideals and make out of them self fulfilling prophecies in a Don Quixotean fashion. It's heroic to stand for something like this, and fun because it doesn't ask that much from you besides acknowledging of the truth, and just simply being Who you are.

>>42220836
Ask Chronos

>>42227593
If I got what I wanted then I wouldn't be here and if I weren't here then all of my complaints about being here would no longer be relevant.
But there is no getting out of here so this is all pointless discussion.

>>42227650
1. Who said I was trying to manifest money?
How is that the conclusion you came to? I fucking H A T E everything about this world and your conclusion was that I want money?
The fuck do you think I'm going to do with money? I want real magical abilities. I want an incorporeal never dying body. I want to create worlds with creatures in that aren't boring as fuck like this world. Why are dragons only in myth and legend? Because the people who conjured them up in their mind know that the animals we have here are shit.
Nothing about the situation I'm in could be fixed by money. I want out of this meat prison body and out of this material world.

>>42227669
Haha you are decent guy despite your tone you are like me I also feel that intense desire for a magical life. I apologize your tone seemed to lean towards a desire for material goods.

Like I said don’t allow your own eyes to blind you. Don’t always believe something just because it was said using your own voice.

>>42227669
>>42227650
Also, you just fucked up.
> Is such a person deserving of the money they keep trying to manifest?
What does deserving have to do with anything?
You argue that we're all god, now all of a sudden only some are 'deserving' of the things they want.
Laughable. Is this a new cope rule you've just come up with? Now it all makes sense! All my past attempts must have failed because I wasn't deserving of it. Right, right!
Babe, wake up, a new cope excuse just dropped!
It's le universal law cope all over again. Repackaged and ready to go.

>>42227565
>Or you could skip the manifesting part and just close the thread (but then claim that doing that was you manifesting me away, which is what manifestfags do anyway).

It reminds me from a classic tale:
>Once a monk approached the Buddha and stated that he had been meditating for over 30 years. The Buddha asked, "what have you learned?". The monk replied, "I have mastered the jhanas and now I can walk on water.". The Buddha asked, "Impressive, but what is the cost to take the boat to the other side?". "One-and-a-half cents" replied the monk. The Buddha replied, "Then the value of your miracles is one-and-a-half cents, you could have taken a boat across for one-and-a-half cents to the other side and spent your time developing insight instead; and by now you would have been enlightened".

I think the time people spend arguing in pointless debates would be better spend just practicing and compromising with this stuff to get what they actually want, but having to "debate" and discuss and having to "win" in online annonymous threads before manifesting anything it's either another consequence of not knowing about Who, or just something they love to do (no way to distinguish between the two). Either way, i don't think anyone really enjoys keep feeding people who hate life when you can spend that time with like minded persons which company is more meaningful and useful.

>>42227669
Paolucci talks about archiving inner returns, which is to isekai'd yourself to "another world". If you still identifying yourself with your body instead of your consciousness, you won't bother to persuing it, but if you get that what you really are is Conciussness/One-Thing dreaming inside a body you realize that what you would actually be doing is moving your consciousness to another "frequency" and staying there instead. You can also command just simply feeling good and stop being misserable ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it's that simple.

>>42227669
>But there is no getting out of here so this is all pointless discussion.
It's because you don't know that it's possible to turns things around. Besides, coping with "well, 4chan is a pit of losers, so i don't have to improve myself or either listen to people here who aspire to trough this knowledge" is also not knowing what's actually going on.

>>42227716
>I think the time people spend arguing in pointless debates would be better spend just practicing and compromising with this stuff to get what they actually want
Basically what happens with the /LoA/ general, and just people in general. They want to pass the time gossiping, seething and discussing points in circles, instead of doing things and exploring. They make an academic hassle what should be the most simple straightfoward thing to know about independent of anything other than your mere existence, and they also create these endless sysyphean tasks to what should be the most easiest, comfortable thing you could ever do.

>>42227740
Yeah it’s funny it’s like People need some proof that they’re believing the right thing so they don’t waste their time doing the wrong thing but that’s what they end up doing anyway haha. Buncha clowns.

Having what your heart wants is possible that’s why your heart wants it in the first place. That’s why it even thinks that to begin with.

>>42227707
>Babe, wake up, a new cope excuse just dropped!
Anyone whose message boils down to "nope nothing is possible, getting what you want is not going to happen" it's a cope. Any "but" as well. If you want infinite free money materialized out of nowhere, you can just have it, if you want mystical experiences and a purely magical life, you can just have that. You have to really divorce yourself for good that there's a division between yourself and the universe, and accept that you're the sole rulemaker. You no longer have to justify what you do or do mental gymnastics, that's for people who don't know who they are. You can have it all, fully, ideal and unconditional.

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>>42227716
I don't want to win an online argument. Is that what you think I'm here for? Just to troll for the epic lulz?
I am a doomer, there is nothing else to do here but to complain about this prison we are stuck in.
All this shit on /x/? Doesn't work.
No demons to summon
No angels to summon
No magic to be had
No manifestation
No astral projection
No kundalini
No nothing
All just empty larps.
>moving your consciousness to another "frequency" and staying there instead
Oh good, more retardation.
>Muh high vibrations
Give me a break.

>>42227726
I don't want to improve myself you fucking faggot. How are you people so fucking dumb that you still can't even understand what it is I want after reading through all my posts? Do you even have an inner monologue? Can you visualize in your mind?
This whole 'earth is a school, you need to learn and improve' shit is fucking infuriating. Who the fuck asked if I want to come to this shithole to 'learn' these lessons? I don't. Never fucking asked. It was enforced upon me, like it was you regardless of how much you cope and pretend it's actually not so bad (whilst simultaneously engaging in an escapism larp lmao).

I don't need to improve myself because there's nothing to improve upon. I am perfect. Karma does not exist. Frankly I don't give a fuck about any of you fags or anyone else for that matter, all I care about is that I, specifically, am trapped here and I don't want to be, so I engage in your shitty little larps to see if they're a way out, I find out that OOPS! Nope, they're not and then I (rightfully) bitch about them not working and providing false hope for an escape.

Your shitty larps are not immune to criticism when they get outted as being a grift.

>>42227787
>I don't want to improve myself you fucking faggot.
Retard. You only want to be misserable. This is not self improvement, is just getting shit done. You're just mad, alright, but stop pretending to be retarded. You don't want to do it? Alright, i'm only informing you that it's on you.

>>42227787
>Only because i never lived those things it means that they cannot be done
I wonder how ancient people would feel about the idea of electricity.
>Oh good, more retardation.
sigh....

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I've been sitting here with a 10 hour long migraine with no end in sight.
Did I ask for that too? Was that part of this grand plan I laid out for myself. Damn, what an incredible architect I am creating this world of pain for myself. Yeah, that makes sense. Let's not address the elephant in the room that this is inflicted on me by an outside force, no no, I totally put myself through this because 'iTss whAt I wAnT BRo'
AND RIGHT ON TIME, LOOK AT THIS RETARD HERE - >>42227810
>You only want to be misserable
Holy fucking shit. You can't make this shit up.

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>>42227787
>>42227818
If you conclude or fully accept that it's all a grift and nothing can be done, then you're right. If you conclude or fully accept that it can be done and it's practical and actionable knowledge, then you're right. I really don't know what to tell skeptics at this point anymore lol

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>>42227815
When electricity was discovered, we all see the benefits of it. When electricity powers something, its effects are visible to all. You can hear and see electricity.
Your delusions however aren't visible to anybody besides you. All ages have dreamt of magic yet none have ever had it. They still have to till the ground and die from disease.

Don't compare your brainworms to discoveries that can actually be proven beyond any doubt.

I have tried all this shit, I am the ultimate arbiter of what works and what doesn't because I am the only one with the mental fortitude to walk away from things which I've tried and which have failed instead of latching onto them like a parasite.

>>42218700
how do you not hate yourself from this shit? im not trying to be an asshole but i feel fucking guilty if this is the case because it means im responsible for all the rape and murder or the millions of brown people living miserable lives in africa or whatever. I mean ig i could just dream something else but i dont “know myself” enough or whatever for that to actually bear fruit and it feels like ignoring very real pain when i could do something about it. At least before these ideas i could live by knowing its not my fault and help when i could (blood donations, construction work, donating clothes, etc.).
I just don’t fully buy this concept desu, i understand the base fact that everything is 100% oap because due to its nature it permeates everything and is indivisible, basically like a fractal where any tiny part fully represents the whole. I dont buy the “everything happens for a perfect reason” shit because it falls apart on a global scale, im not saying everything bad should be gone but if the universe wanted to experience being poor and brown why not do it once or twice instead of a million fucking times a day. I feel like there is something wrong about the texts but im not enough of a philosopher to explain it. I am interested in this stuff but haven’t had much luck so far, this shit makes me anxious and triggers what i think might be ocd desu.
Perhaps due to the nature of infinity all these possibilities had to happen anyways, you werent you for a grand reason but just a part of infinity that had to form because infinity is infinity, this doesnt change the underlying facts but still makes it possible without having some moral baggage.

>>42227844
But the point of things like astral projection and lucid dreaming is that they're all purely subjective phenomenons that only can be experienced by the sole experiencer alone. We call those experiences like that for our tendency to label stuff, but the ancient gave them a different name being essentially the same:

https://sacred-texts.com/bud/ettt/index.htm

Manifestation and all those psychic phenomena works just the same. They're all purely subjective things that only produce change for one's own experience, but the "results" are things that remains for intersubjective interaction. Science has gotten there with QBism (while just handwaving the implications because it implies that the modern practice of science is kind of useless), the instituion did also researched OBE's and magick (Labarne, Monroe, the CIA on magick and remote viewing, etc). All this stuff it's just intention doing the trick, but unaware of the bigger picture, we don't tend to attempt more ambitious changes. When the post above told you that what you are is conciussness dreaming a body, it's because this is why anyone could have an OBE in the first place, it won't be possible otherwise (no matter even if you're physicalist or whatever, One-Thing remains). This can be proven without doubt, but not in the way you think, because you are trying to make something happening while deciding against it, like talking about the texture of the grass while refusing to touch it. The only proof is to oneself, and experience is not proof because it could happen for any reason. This is about Who.

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>>42227860
Huh weird how you're world perfectly matches mine. But I thought these tards here were saying all our worlds are different (they're not btw, my world is exactly the same as yours. Guaranteed. To claim otherwise is pure undiluted cope).
Only I don't lament for the brownoids, I wish they didn't exist. They are completely worthless lifeforms. What the fuck is the point of these things?
Infact, it is the very existence of shitskins that is the biggest indicator that I am not god because were I too actually be god I would have -
1. Not made them to begin with. Why the fuck would I?
2. Would annihilate them all on the spot right now.
I wouldn't 'torture' them in hell or any stupid shit like that, I would simply make them cease to exist, because they are pointless and I don't want to see or think about them again.

>>42227904
Just command them to go away bro. If you don't experience something, is even a thing? Same principle applies for those "extraordinary things" and the stuff you want to live but won't accept them as possible. You still use who you are, even to not go for what you want, because you still being it.

>>42227889
Remote viewing and Astral Projection are bullshit too.
I've got the Monroe tapes. I've put hours into them. Nothing. Fucking. Happens. Takes too much time and effort to do each attempt, then I hear an absurdly loud bang like the house is falling in on me and I jolt awake. There is no shot I'm ever getting past that, it's too loud to just ignore, it'll always jolt me awake.
And remote viewing? I've challenged /x/ to remote view something close to me maaaany times over the years and the ones that take up the challenge always fail to identify the thing I was asking them to identify.
You can't fucking say they can remote view but they somehow can't remote view what I want them to remote view, that's completely retarded.

>>42227929
>Remote viewing and Astral Projection are bullshit too.
x,DDDD Aaaaaa

>>42227932
xDDDDD indeed. Let's put it to the test, shall we?
Remote View and describe the picture on my monitor to my right of me.
Should be easy enough.

>>42227929
>You can't fucking say they can remote view but they somehow can't remote view what I want them to remote view, that's completely retarded.
1. Anon puts an orange with a top hat in front of him. "Remote view me"
2. Do it, and tell anon what i saw
3. "Nuh uh"
4. No way to prove either that anon is lying, or i'm telling the truth.

Welcome to the internet i guess. Who knows how many people have gotten insane results and didn't bother reporting it just because they can just do that. UL teaching however holds itself just fine because, again, it's self validating information, experience it's personal and "ilussory", and you rest in what he calls One-Thing which is everything you need to know to go on, instead of just "believing" or waiting for some arbitrary experience to actually go and do the things you want. If reality is a dream of each one, then what i'm looking for to be sure of it's what underlies "the dream". You act on things you know beforehand to do things anyway, i don't know why this would be any different.

>>42227951
People saying that something is possible doesn't mean that they know how to do it. You should directly go to remote viewing communities and see what you can get. But if something like this is possible, why it should stop there?

>>42227951
NTA, anon you're going into a system entirely about belief while not believing in it and asking why it doesn't work.

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>>42227964
>1. Anon puts an orange with a top hat in front of him. "Remote view me"
>2. Do it, and tell anon what i saw
>3. "Nuh uh"
>4. No way to prove either that anon is lying, or i'm telling the truth.

This has got to be up there amongst the dumbest scenarios I've heard in a while.
Why would the person who asked for the remote viewing say no if the person got it right?
The obvious response in this hypothetical scenario would be one of awe and excitement. Your variation doesn't even make any sense.

>UL teaching however holds itself just fine because, again, it's self validating information, experience it's personal and "ilussory", and you rest in what he calls One-Thing which is everything you need to know to go on, instead of just "believing" or waiting for some arbitrary experience to actually go and do the things you want.
But it isn't self validating because if it were then I would have experienced it and would be agreeing with you now instead of doing the opposite because my experience with UL came up empty.

>>42227988
No, that is my current stance. I go into all of these systems fully immersed in them.
I come out not believing specifically because nothing fucking happened so yeah, ofc I'm going to not believe after doing said thing, getting no results and then concluding that it doesn't work. That's normal.

>>42227787
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>>42227964
>People saying that something is possible doesn't mean that they know how to do it.
Or, that they know how to do it, but can't just yet? Just because you have a working out plan and know how to practice, doesn't mean that instantly you would be able to lift your body with one arm at once (it can happen, but in this case it's an analogy to illustrate that what others tell you about their experience doesn't mean that it's a fixed value you should act upon as final). Everyone acts on what they know, and the world informs you of that in a feedback process, so if you keep accepting "the way things are" you are willfuly muddling yourself sticking with lower truths. UL is more about understanding that you can do everything and going for it because of Who you are, and when you examine the reasons of others of why they "can't" that's a trap because it's just more conclusion baggage when it can just be ignored, acknowledge the facts, and stand still as OAP not feeding the loop again. UL stuff is about getting things done important to you, not proving things to others, but if what you want is prove things to others in this way or another, you can have that too, but don't expect that to happen when people on this board started this to get their desires, not to waste time with keyboard warriors.

>>42226911
Orgy with a bridal party in a fast food restaurant.

if everything is my private dream and everyone else is a shadow, how can anyone do UL stuff that i wouldn’t believe possible? Wouldnt the version in my dream be incapable of doing it and thus not say they did it/if they did they are just larping? How can i even know about UL or be surprised if the proof loop will do everything to confirm my current worldview?

>>42227998
>But it isn't self validating because if it were then I would have experienced it and would be agreeing with you now instead of doing the opposite because my experience with UL came up empty.
It is self validating for the facts, not for any experience at all. There's nothing else we can say that will make you change your mind because you still don't want to acknowledge that none of those things matters really. You can have everything by just commanding it because without your presence there's no reality, and so reality is contained in you as One-Thing. The fact that you still "refuting" and not wanting to accept it as true means that you experience that and all that implies. I'm not actually you so i don't really know what's up, but non-duality is about accepting that the world is as you are. When you say "well mister, if UL is true, then just manifest yourself in my house as a six eyes silver dragon" that's not UL, because if that happened, it's something (You) make it happen, not "me". You leave perception and experience behind to stand as the one who is doing all this. If you think experience it's first before presence, and that you are not that, then you are not using UL.

>>42227998
He thinks you are in bad faith and would lie regardless of what happened to save face.
Do describe what fully immersed means in your case. What made you initially receptive to the ideas? When and how did you realize they didn't work, as opposed thinking you did it wrong, which I assume you believed beforehand?

>>42228055
>What made you initially receptive to the ideas?
The same thing that drives me to all occult practices. Curiosity and a means to escape my current situation.
>When and how did you realize they didn't work, as opposed thinking you did it wrong
When nothing was happening time after time, session after session for weeks.
I'm not going to continue doing something that takes a lot of time and effort to do but bears no fruit. That is folly.
I want results. Even minor ones would be enough to spur me forward, but nothing? No chance. Pointless.

>>42228081
What exactly did you do with the systems you were trying to use? What entailed a session in "normal" LoA? It's important to know because people constantly reinterpret and alter all of these.

>>42228081
>I'm not going to continue doing something that takes a lot of time and effort to do
Why were you efforting? You don't have to do anything more than nothing, and it's only once a day for 10 minutes of just relaxing.

>>42228145
In LoA specifically?
Tried morning affirmations for a couple of weeks.
Larped as if I already had something I wanted then forgot about it under the assumption that I had it (then never received it, even now years later).
>>42228172
Even meditation is effort. Keeping a schedule is effort. 10 minutes of relaxing? More like 10 minutes of trying to keep my mind focused and not thinking about other things.

Even outside of LoA when trying to Astral Project, the fucking Monroe Hemi-Synch tapes were effort because I eventually had to memorize when to do the past exercises and for how long to do them and to memorize the damn affirmation etc.

>>42228216
>10 minutes of relaxing? More like 10 minutes of trying to keep my mind focused and not thinking about other things.
But you don't have to do that, it's just doing nothing.

>>42227658
https://youtu.be/sKouPOhh_9I

>>42227889
>experience is not proof because it could happen for any reason. This is about Who.
nta but whats the point if knowing who doesnt lead to the experience. Not sure if im phrasing this correctly but does knowing who actually change this reality or just lead to returns in dreams or whatever. If its the latter whats the point? I understand that inner returns are equally as valuable and true or whatever but I want external returns and if i know who i am they should happen instantly and are equally valid to ask for since I am OAP 100%. Stuff about perfect plans from OAP or limiting beliefs is just systemics no? i dont really get why there is a time delay in many cases or what it means to know OAP to your core. If you go into every situation knowing the highest truth whats the point if it doesn’t go anywhere. I can decide to have 10k and ignore my senses but at some point the 10k must appear for this shit to be true no? whats the point of knowing this logical truth otherwise and does the world even need to follow that logic? How can you falsify this stuff if you cant take any experience as a conclusion?

>>42228454
>nta but whats the point if knowing who doesnt lead to the experience.
NTA but it's not that it doesn't lead to experience, it's that if you knew who you are, you won't take experience of the things you have lived so far as proof of what you're capable of. If you can imagine something, you can intend it, command it, decide for it to happen that way, because it's already "available" to be materialized in thought, and there's no really a difference between an idea and a experience besides what's prominent at the present moment. When people still stuck on "why" or "how" it's because they are ignoring "who", and it's because of who that you can intend things you imagine and make them a reality, experience them. Im new to this stuff, but i understood what the material convey and that's why im not worried, it takes the time it needs to take and that's it, because i already decided for it to happen now, so i can just relax and go on with my life while doing these sessions and resting in my true self, letting the part of me unseen taking care of the rest. People who still complaining about this stuff just don't really get it so they don't know who they are. Even Paolucci himself hammer down to proceed trough habit and repetition, practicing and getting used to this stuff trough osmosis if you already decided to move forward in this path, but you would be surprised how many people would just put hundred of excuses, spending their time seething and what not, instead of just simply doing a single daily session of just doing nothing for their return a day without compromise.

>>42228216
its pretty obvious you've made a world rule you need to put in effort to acheive stuff. That'll prevent any manifest that doesn't require effort on your part. Which basically ruins the concept of LoA because you won't luck into crazy ongoing situations which is usually how the big manifests work.

>>42228903
I didn't put that rule into place, it's always been in place.
You aren't manifesting anything without doing the work yourself (which at its core means you aren't manifesting, you're just doing the work, the manifestation part of this equation is pure fluff). I guarantee it with absolute certainty.

>>42228919
Most world rules aren't manually created. You probably didn't instill a past of steam energy rising to petrochemical either. Lots of stuff is autopilot and just reinforces itself through repeated interaction. Last $10k I manifested just came from a random family member gifting it to me because they sold something big an gave money to everyone in the family. Despite me never seeing them. I had to give them my bank details for the wire transfer. Insane effort on that one.

A $13k manifest before that was government error and they repaid me, but it was over like 5 years so I didn't even notice they were taking too much. If you asked me the day before I wouldn't even know anything was happening. I can't count that as work or sacrifice.

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>>42228974
That's really cool bro but why don't you skip the middle man and just manifest billions? Why is it always small incremental amounts?
I'm a NEET and 10k to me isn't much either so I can't really say I'm impressed. I get 2.5k a month for doing nothing. Difference is I didn't 'manifest' the government giving me money for nothing, I played the system.

Why don't I hear about some guy who just manifested himself into being the riches guy on the planet? Could it be because... that can't happen?
I believe so.

>>42228997
Nice bro, you disproved nonduality for yourself and have the perfect life. Live it with pride.

Though I do wonder, this basically would amount to a religion or spirituality from your PoV, so why do you give a fuck what retards online who believe something stupid and wrong do with their time? Do you shit on Christians praying and such as well?

>>42228974
my personal theory is that instead of everything happening for a perfect reason or whatever you just plop somewhere in infinity. Its not good its not bad but infinity is experienced regardless(one thing has infinite intelligence but is not intelligent and thus has no right/wrong). Every possibility is happening and limitations in perception and ignorance lead to what we see as reality. OAP is still true then and you can change shit through it but its more of a battle royale where you just spawn in at random than a particularly planned thing. If the universe wanted to experience all of itself why plan it if it doesnt care about good or evil, just spin the die and see what sticks.
Also didn’t jp once say that anything short of literally spawning money out of the void in front of you can’t be trusted? Im not saying it didn’t work for you but i am wondering if anyone actually has managed to literally pop it in existence instantly like JP claims is possible. Can’t really ask because its not like people can post proof so any claims of it can just be dismissed as larping.

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See what I'm getting at with all these posts is, why do all these supposed stories of manifestation successes depend on money that already exists? Why do you need to get your money from a dead relative or from some government error or something? Why is manifestation contingent on one of those factors?
To me, for manifestation to be real, it would have to come out of thin air. Money materializing out of nothing. One day you open your bank and look inside and now you're a billionaire, for no fucking reason what so ever. You just are because you willed it to be so.
That would be impressive and hard to ignore.

Or manifesting two 10/10 twins who you've never seen nor interacted with before knocking at your door and naked dogeza bowing before you and being slaves to your whim.
That would be an impressive showing of manifestation.

But it's never like that, it's always some mild totally whatever thing that required you to put in effort which defeats the purpose of calling it manifestation in the first place.

>>42229084
I'm not shitting on you for your belief, I'm shitting on you for duping me into believing in the possibility that this could be real only to find out that it's not and now I have to cope with the fact that this world is every bit as boring as I always knew it was. Which is gay as fuck, I'd much rather most the shit I read on /x/ be real than not.
You think I don't want this to be real just so I can come here and troll people? Fuck no, I wan things like manifestation and magic to be real with all my heart. Most people do. In fact, it's for that very reason why I understand why people choose to delude themselves that it's real. Part of me wishes I could just immerse myself in the delusion too, but sadly I can't, I've tried but I just can't maintain the illusion.
>Do you shit on Christians praying and such as well?
I do actually, yes, because for a time they duped me too with their retarded beliefs
Goddamn we all just crave escapism. Nobody wants to be here

>>42226565
thanks. im developing my own reality mechanics, im interesting in this system and the idea it presents.
>Existence is an expansion opportunity; it’s set up to make you feel limited at first so you can expand beyond that perceived limit, which is fun.
i will throw this part in the bin, i dont need it

>>42229084
>Though I do wonder, this basically would amount to a religion or spirituality from your PoV, so why do you give a fuck what retards online who believe something stupid and wrong do with their time? Do you shit on Christians praying and such as well?
My exact same thoughts. Why it's always non dualism and manifestation subject that get so shit on /x/ while divination, christcuck and scaremongering conspiracy of the week get the pass? Maybe because what's behind manifestation it's actually actionable and give you agency over your life while the others are the actual coping and distractions?

>>42229127
>Or manifesting two 10/10 twins who you've never seen nor interacted with before knocking at your door and naked dogeza bowing before you and being slaves to your whim.

ironically something akin to this happened before. Can’t say much about the legend of cunnyanon nor can i post pics because threads usually get pruned but in i think 2023 some dude was reading neville goddard and lolita and suddenly a middle school girl appeared at his door, swam in his pool, and gave him head. He posted a picture of her too so he had receipts. Genuinely the most convincing story of this shit being real.
https://youtu.be/v1tEXIxltW0
there’s also this from the loa archive which is compelling but you could maybe write off as really lucky. also this is using candle magic which is a bit more than “just believe bro” so it might operate on different rules and have more limits (ie limited to synchronicity style events that can happen mundanely but would be rare)

>>42229127
>I do actually, yes, because for a time they duped me too with their retarded beliefs
No. You did that on your own accord.

How do I actually use this info to manifest my vessel from 2016 but w memories retained? Same body, brain, skin, teeth etc basically a copy paste from my 2016 vessel? Just one 10 min session?

>>42229127
Let's say someone manifest just what you say. All those examples you listed, you find out that someone manifested them, just to show you. Now what? What's your next step?
>inb4 keep moving goalpost

>>42229157
maybe divination is vague enough that people can believe it, conspiracy entertaining and fear porn enough to keep talking about, christcuck stuff because status quo, while non dualism can be proven true or false and many prove it false either from their own perception or it actually being false

>>42227033
thanks, I appreciate the explanation. i wonder if there is a skillful aspect to some part of all this.

>>42229179
There is skill involved, JP laid 4 progression levels w this, at lvl 4 you know materials very well, did a lot of sessions, lots of instant to near instant returns.

>>42229201
is there like a pic talking abt this? can you post more?

>>42227531
bro just wait for my mechanics, stop doubling down

>>42229178
I think that what John explains it's even beyond non dualism itself. One-Thing it's even before non duality, or non duality it's just another name to living from the knowledge of One-Thing as well. John proves already that you are in charge of your own reality, and even not accepting things as such it's arranging your experience to show you that's not true (which is also explained). You are the reference field, and we never keep intending stuff to happen trough life, and that's as far the mechanical facts goes, and the rest are just ways to command. But you have to include everything you can imagine, not just manifestation, but absolutely everything thinkable. So, if it's all a private dream, or your personal mental universe or whatever, that means that if you dream with Non duality being true, then you get it, but also can dream with that being not true and also experiencing that, the same with solipsism/shared world, idealism/materialism, etc. Those are just ways for the dream to behave, but it all comes from your consciousness and the ideas realized inside consciousness trough the reality you live. That's why every time someone ask John long winded questions about this and the other, he always trace it back to the reference field to demonstrate that you can just have things in perfect armony and unconditionally, without having to worry about details and other distractions that make you halt command. You as Totality can be taken for granted, but not the experience, because the experience change, but you as that-thing-underliying-everything doesn't, which is actually the core of UL stuff. This what the ancients meant about faith, but looking at God means to have certainity of Who you are, which is something you can rest assured with your intention.

>>42229160
See now that sounds based. That's unironically the sort of thing I'm talking about. That what you've just described piques my interest because that's manifestation as I would imagine it being.
I'll take a look at the video too.
Those are definitely some compelling and interesting stories though.

>>42229171
Not necessarily. I won't lie and say all skepticism will be absent but if some NEET who hardly ever leaves the house manifests some girls knocking at his door and then something happens between them from that encounter alone, I'd find that hard to argue with. The only obstacle would be if they say it happens but there's no proof, it's just their word, in which case... you can't expect me to believe that. I speak to liars every day on here. But if there's proof and pictures and receipts of such a thing then ofc I'll be far more inclined to believe.

And the same goes for the billionaire thing. If some anon who hasn't worked a day in their life just randomly becomes a certified billionaire (and slips me a cool million as evidence of his new found powers :^) ) I would absofuckinglutely believe and I'd go ALL IN on this myself right after that. Completely all in on it.

>>42229219
Mechanics on what? How exactly to manifest with 100% success rate?
ETA?

>>42227818
>I've been sitting here with a 10 hour long migraine with no end in sight.
Lmfao loser

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>>42229127
There's actually different tiers based on how detatched you can remove yourself from the rules of the world and become source or whatever. Unfortunately you want a 5.

What I intend usually becomes true. I target an experience, and I experience it. Data from my notes usually has it happen 2-14 days later. If it doesn't happen after 14 days I usually failed and don't get an experience. Though I have been surprised.

Many times random shit outside my control lines up, and i just do a bit of work to acheive it. I just luck out and act on the luck (4)

Often times I will have random insights or get guided on paths of effort that lead to it. I'll get an epiphany, do a little effortful side quest to learn some skill or create something, then it works and leads to the result. (2) This is more impressive than it seems as I've tried to achieve stuff through hard work without this boost and most effort falls flat in general not leading to the results.

I have manifested impossible things (I thought at the time) only for them to happen in a completely mundane way in a manner I didn't even know was possible.

However impossible experiences also frequently manifest as an experience in a vivid extended dream. I don't do stuff like "I can fly" or "I have telekinesis" often because it usually pops in there instead of editing waking experience.

All in all I've manifested about $500k worth of shit and some mind breaking severely wtf experiences, but they wouldn't be magic enough according to your standards

>Twins
I've manifested a gf that was exactly as imagined, down to the persoanlity and heterchromia. But she probably existed already, it just forced the connection or whatever.

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>>42229218

Pic taken from YLOVEALK text, from 2020

>>42229242

The thing is that girl never existed before you intended/manifested it, your OAP state spawned her, her history, her parents for you to rationalize it's a connection, it's just progression from past to present and so on. This is what I learned from another anon, you also manifest the past/history

>>42229236
if you have like an email or discord i can send you the screencaps about what happened, or maybe i can post a google drive link when i get home on my pc. I can’t post them in the thread right now because 1 they arent on my phone and 2 dont want jannies to prune

>>42229268
Do you intend for things to happen in the future? It would appear this work work better than intending to materialize out of thin air

>>42229223
>Mechanics on what? How exactly to manifest with 100% success rate?
yes
>ETA?
2 more weeks? jk
time is not real

comes with morality and ethics embedded

>>42229289
I know people that have 100% success, but they use subliminal + decide that subliminal works. Is your method similar? You use something and brainwash/decide that it works?

>>42229288
did you mean to reply to me? im talking abt sending the screencaps of the cunnyanon story idrk what you mean

>>42229296
Sorry forgot to preface, im different anon

>>42229113
I once talked with a guy who studied UL for 4 years that was in the old Telegram chat. He got really great returns (on his own terms of course), posted "proof" as well, and also told us about the time he spend in a UL chat that was made with the second gen Paolucci server people where they all got their desired returns. There was a very notorious UL community back then, and everyone got what they wanted in the end, but they had to commit to it fully, which may be too much to ask for the average /x/chizo.

>>42229304
I would be down for that, how much did he study daily? Did he do two sessions a day?

>>42229304
interesting, is he still around? im interested in UL and open minded to it but no luck so far and still have some issues with finer points, mainly whatever the fuck competent cosmology is about and the whole idea that everything happens for a perfect reason and if you dont get returns that also happened for the perfect reason since that seems dualistic and systemic to me. I guess im not really ready to fully commit or whatever, i admittedly don’t actually do command sessions but thats mainly because i dont see the point in them if I am OAP since why do nothing when i can do something i enjoy like decide something then play arma or some shit.
granted i have a lot of intrusive thoughts/ocd type shit so maybe that also is going up the vaccuum. A month ago for like 3 days i kept visualizing and decided I had a pink and blue tennis ball and stuck to that for about a week but it still hasn’t shown up yet so ig it failed and im not sure why. Im also kinda concerned with UL shit since i was in the new free support discord or whatever and some dude was talking about how he has studied UL for 20 years with no results except internal returns and how he still keeps studying and if it takes 20 years for nothing to even happen i don’t want to start yknow? also kinda bothered JP charges like 30 a month for help if he is the master of this shit. ive “manifested” before but it was always inconsistent and small shit like paperclips or colored hats or whatever basic ladder experiment tier shit.

My latest stuff has been working to remove world rules through the OAP type meditations and releasing previous facts. Im actually gunning for the 5 myself right now for fun. Aside from weird af sensations I haven't seen much else as an experience. But I've only just started going this deep yesterday.

>>42229157
yeah I think it's just a sign of importance to help your journey along. Powerful impactful things are valuable, and guarded.
>>42229166
I think breaking down the world facts you have that would prevent it (through meditation) and assuming OAP state, then just intending it.
>>42229267
I know that, the guy I'm replying to is a materialist. he said:
>See what I'm getting at with all these posts is, why do all these supposed stories of manifestation successes depend on money that already exists?

Listen, I can stop doomposting and try (again) and put another 2 weeks (just 2 more weeks!) in trying to manifest something but if I get absolutely nothing out of it again I'm gonna be right back to doomposting in overdrive armed with new ammo.
I've tried the ladder one. Didn't work.
Tried the pink tennis ball one. Didn't work.
From my perspective it looks like 'if' this did work (which my current experience still leads me to believe it isn't) then it seems like manifestation can't deal with me being a NEET that doesn't really go out. Where's the ladder and pink tennis balls coming from if I don't leave the house? And if manifestation can't even deal with that fact then that makes it even harder to believe, why is it so limited and weak if it can't achieve what I want it to just because of those factors?
>>42229241
Wow, rude. Take it back.
It's beginning to subside now so I'm considerably less angry.
>>42229268
Google drive would be preferable, anon. Thanks.
>>42229289
Well I'm looking forward to it. Hopefully it isn't too far off.

>>42229295
>Is your method similar?
current method, yes. it was consistent too. but i am not a fan of what i end up doing so i slowed down with it for now

>>42229341
What are you trying to manifest, and have you experienced it in your life before? On a scale of 1-10 how impossible is it for your current situation?

If it's not something crazy like you're a 30 year old agoraphobic neet trying to manifest a sex slave to your door; I'll genuinely attempt to assist. Obviously a YMMV type thing,

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>>42229323
He just went with the flow. Doing sessions whenever he could, reading diligently, you basically put dedication at your own pace; you may start feeling how ancient mystics manifested in the past while handling perception events that relinquished against your command, you have to hold onto greater self knowledge. If you understand Who, you break all inhibitors and start thinking from imagination and intend with conviction from there. At this point i've heard UL success stories and welcoming feedback from most major platforms: Reddit, 4chan, Tumblr, Discord, Telegram, even on Twitter.

>>42229332
>interesting, is he still around?
The telegram chat i was referring to was the old LOA one, i don't know if it still around. His name was Koko, if you find the invite link and join the chatroom, lurk his messages, great insight. Pic related for example.

>>42218700
Incomprehensible schizo brain rot.

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>>42229355
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>>42229374
And so on. There's also @DanuBabanu from Twitter, and the OG crew from UL subreddit back in the day (OmegaAces, Mossyeyes, DreamerAxelos and 7kek7). You will find success stories from everywhere, but you have to make up your mind eventually and command your returns by yourself. Nobody can help you, only God can help you, only you do anything ever. You don't realize it, but you reading this message it's already (You) doing the work, not me. Don't listen to doomposters retards, they never said anything of worth in their life and this is not different. Keep moving foward this way, it will happen.

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>>42229351
nta but i graduate in a month and i want to lose my virginity to a hot chick before i graduate. Not sure why it didn’t happen already since im tall and white, probably because im an asocial sperg. I was reading about sigil chaos magick shit yesterday so i made one to have sex, will see if that works but im kinda doubting it. I don’t know how to detach and just accept it will happen in time since im in a time crunch and i feel like a failure if it doesn’t happen. I dont use dating apps or go to bars or anything so i worry theres no way for it to actually happen but also know that i don’t actually need to do that based on OAP facts, but maybe i should try to do it mechanically anyways? idrk thoughts?

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>>42229405
Last one. Just stop being a bitch. The truth is right in front of you, for you to use as you please, when you're ready to accept it.

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>>42229351
>What are you trying to manifest
Well, let's put all the magic and things which bend the rules of the material world to the side for now. I'll label those as out of the question for the time being.
I'll go for something purely materialistic for this experiment to give it the best chance at success.

And as far as the material goes I don't really want much besides money or a woman.
>have you experienced it in your life before?
Yes to both, though on the money front, never really much.
Girls? In my teens I was hooking up with girls all the time when I was in my normie phase. Only mistake I made was not keeping one before I went into my full on hermit NEET phase... I was too interested in playing vidya to care.
Which I would like to now rectify.

I'm not ugly at all, I'd consider myself pretty good looking. not fat nor out of shape I just literally do not go out often. Can't really meet someone if you don't go out and interact with people. Well, not entirely true, I could try dating apps but I'm never going to do that.
That's the long and short of why I've been single, there's been no chance for me to interact with anybody, so naturally this is the result.

>On a scale of 1-10 how impossible is it for your current situation?
Well, I don't see how a girl is going to knock at my door and we instantly hit if off. Doesn't seem very probable in that regard. The only realistic chance of an encounter happening would be when I go for a bike ride which I've started doing every other day this past month.

That's what I'd like to try manifesting though. I think at this point, money isn't motivating enough to go for over a woman.

>>42229432
Whoops I didn't really give a number there on the 1-10. I dunno, since I've started going out on my bike I'd raise this up to like a 6-7. Before when I was never going out I honestly would have said 1. Just didn't sound feasible. Though this anon >>42229160 having some examples of it happening are promising.

>>42229402
Often times you'll get a fuck load of opposing manifestations just worryign about not getting laid and whatever. Those emotions and experiences need to be cleared out. Pros can just manifest them away but the manual way to do it is better for new people. It's just a fast meditation, it'd be like 5-10 minutes a few times until it gets cleared out. I wrote this out for a buddy who made a shitload of money thanks to it. So I'm just copy pasting.

ONE IMPORTANT RULE
You must not identify with the pain, just observe it.

Step 1:
Whatever it is you're trying to manifest. You need to think about what it feels like to not have it. How bad does it make you feel. You need to kick these emotions up within your body.
DO NOT IDENTIFY WITH THEM.
Step 2:
Just watch these emotions and pain, like a bystander. Allow them to rage in the body and emotions but just observe without judging.
Step 3:
They will automatically start to diminish. Kick them up again. And keep repeating the process.

Here's what happens, every time you kick them up and just observe, they lose their power. And soon they get so weak they stop messing with your manifestations. They will become unstuck.

I'll give an example:
Lets say I want to get in a relationship. I think about not having a relationship and how it makes me feel. Depending where I'm at I can feel small, unattractive, cursed, loveless etc. Merely wandering into those thoughts triggers a spiral.
Then I just watch these emotions run rampant in me and do no identify with them.
They'll diminish, and I kick the hornets nest again. Again, I watch them and let them run their course. After a few cycles I won't be able to kick up the negative trauma, limiting beliefs, or fears related to the manifest and it's now unstuck.
You will be absolutely blown away by the results. This is something you do in addition to your regular manifesting technique. You don't need to do it often, just mental housekeeping.

>>42229341
lore
https://drive.google com/file/d/14tk0jbHEVtVGgU4IU8Yf0TUyv4bZ6omj/view?usp=drive_link

>>42229614
lol only on /x/ would you see crazy shit like this happening.

>>42229242
how can i teleport irl or is that just impossible
>>42229508
gonna sound retarded for asking but how do you meditate? ive tried it before but theres all these different techniques and none of them made me feel great, felt like i was suffocating doing shit like wim hof or whatever didnt feel calm from it. or is it less a real meditation where you breathe deep and more just laying there doing nothing but having the intention to feel things through. I think i might have tried releasing once or twice but it feels literally bottomless for me idk why.
>>42229432
https://youtu.be/r05nZiVzmSU
you might find this interesting, showcases irl chi use, the paper trick could be fake tbf but the other stuff has some merit.

In practicality how does UL differ from LoA and Neville Goddard/Joseph Murphy teachings. Like, I get the philosophical differences but in practice what do you do differently?

>>42229508
the becoming a bystander thing helps to break the immersion in the 3d

>>42218700
am i supposed to feel bad and that its all my fault? if im 100% OAP and its all my dream then does that mean literally every flaw in every person is all my fault or do they also have agency and responsibility to fix themselves? Why is it seemingly automatically a private dream if everyone else in it are also 100% OAP wouldn’t reality just be what we commonly agree upon? Are you app just p-zombies?

Can someone explain this Universal Line in a way that's not autistic, easy to understand, and that I get the materials so that my command are successful? Because with his texts I'm not getting it.

>>42232374
It's kind of designed to be a midwit filter, it's designed in a way where when you get the arguments and info it convinces you to solidify it as fact. Once it's fact to you, you don't really do methods. You just control the dream. Bro has been writing this stuff for 20+ years to make it as streamlined as possible I can't summarize outside of assertions without context. It's not like saying everything is presence. You are too. Everything is connected. You can generate new experiences in awareness manually so you can control presence. You assert this control on everything because you're everything. If you want to get $100 all of existence wants you to get $100.

>>42233445
I mean the premise is simple, but then he goes into No-thing/Line, then there is line that bends and it's OAP then there is more bending and hierarchies like creation maintenance and dissolution, but then it makes no sense for "maintenance" to exist as it's already covered by creation? You use UL to manifest but you also use OAP state? Then he goes off on private dream,but then there are people in my very own private dream claiming they manifest?

>>42229402
>Tall and white
>Cant get laid
When you say tall do you mean 6’0? Cause that’s average nowadays. If you’re 6’3+ just save money and go to some LATAM or Asian country.
Bonus points If you’re a eurofag, this method works 10x more. The only way your chances would be better would be some Hispanic football chad or some black American (insert sport here) Chad (specifically not African). You’re not a balding Indian manlet so it is literally entirely mental for you, women should be begging for your seed.

>>42229332
>20 years
Eirher this is the single storongest argument i have seen that manifesting is the biggest bullshit. 20 years and not getting one thing... Honestly lately i have been losing faith too. Its not fun but its freeing. I "manifested" before learning about it but lately, after 4 months of active Sats and meditation/command session... i dont just care anymore? Even if i try to, i rather just try to atleast do something fun then imagine a future that doesnt appear. I dont want to but its just such a sad matter and its like my worst fears came true instead and stayed like this. Bros... Its not fun.

>>42233522
yeah ive been into this for about 3-4 years. granted ive been half assing it and almost never doing sats/shit mental diet mostly just reading about it so maybe once i try harder it will work. So far though i only got small shit like paperclips or hats or some food. Nothing that id really want that i didnt work for otherwise and even then plenty of small things didnt come either. problem with this stuff is its very hard to troubleshoot/prove wrong. Its inherently unfalsifiable since it argues that everything is your conclusion anyways so theres no difference between a world where you conclude it doesnt work and thus it doesnt work vs a world where it just doesnt work at all. I do believe in shit like synchronicity and have seen some interesting successes i cant really write off as just confirmation bias (ie cunnyanon and a few other cases) but i kinda wonder if there is a different explanation (QBism?) that has much less power in the real world then you being literally god. It gets exhausting to keep up with this shit and id rather just it either work already or conclude its bullshit so i can get back to accepting that i cant always get what i want and just play vidya and cope in peace. I cant imagine doing this shit for 20 years though ill probably put at most a few more months of serious effort in then give up completely. perhaps magic is real and we just arent gifted in its use anon idrk.

>>42233573
>It gets exhausting to keep up with this shit
but you don't have to exhaust yourself, just do nothing
>id rather just it either work already or conclude its bullshit
what did you say? conclude what?

>>42233456
No thing is just one presence. Waves are just experiences. Oap is just the concept of a sentient experience at its least divided form.
Experiences just arise and collapse in the presence.
Idk what maintenance you're talking about. Nor creation.
UL and OAP are the same thing just in different books.
There's only one controlling entity experiencing everything from all vantage points and awareness limits (think it's fog of war) at once. From your current awareness they can be objectified or as personified as you want them to be in your experience.

>>42233573
I heard some anons says its related to energy work. I will probably never really change my viewpoint on some of the stuff i learned (you are the most important person in your life, believe you can do anything, positive thinking and viewpoints about others is better then thinking they all suck) and i will not give up but its frustrating that others just listen to some subliminal or whatever and everything is going great for them and for others its like a schizo tier battle of self delusion with zero success. There is something to this but like i said at some point doubt just doesnt vanish.i dont know, i just guess after 4 months im writing off my frustration (yes anons i kept the view that im the line/oap/op/bigdick/whatever all this time as best as i humanly could and did see some changes in my perception about what im manifesting atleast). Would be nice to know why people like palucci or orion (both gay, maybe its the divind feminine lol) can do this and literal get anything they want lol

I don't really know why people fuck up this. It's immensely simple and just detailed and extrapolated. You simply do nothing with the intention and leave it as that, and go on with your life as normal. The value of the info is showing you why you can make this happen in the first place, "other people" never actually attempt it simply because they don't know but they are already in it anyway. I keep reading anons that insist on putting effort and setting themselves in stepping stones and just straining themselves while everyone else outside of this board got that you can just simply do nothing to accomplish everything. Chill out, relax, let god handle it.

>>42233629
I mean that's exactly what I did, did a session, went on with my life, but after 2-3 weeks it's not manifested. So what more needs to be done than intending?

>>42233702
What else is there to do in any endevour ever than intending?

>>42233719
logical action in reality? Do you just intend to flush your toilet without pulling the lever? Did the intention do it or the mechanical action of the lever moving?

>>42233762
>Do you just intend to flush your toilet without pulling the lever? Did the intention do it or the mechanical action of the lever moving?
You intended to move your arm to do all that tho

>>42233797
yeah but i still use my arms, i dont bend all of reality to take a shit

>>42233807
>i dont bend all of reality to take a shit
the entire universe rearranged itself to create the very real experience of taking a shit, just for you

>>42233814
then why didnt it bend around to give >>42233702 what he wanted?

>>42233819
the thing about non duality is that the premise means that everything is actually you doing it. if "i" didn't really give you that to "you" is because "you" didn't allow "me" to give it, because you want to be right about not being able to manifest nothing and creating an scenario meant to fail and disprove non duality, using the non dual structural reality to give you the experience that it "doesn't work". all by you, for you.

in other words, you are kicking stones
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_the_stone

>>42233824
then how could anyone here do anything, if the proof loop will always prove my worldview how could knowledge of this exist in the first place?

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>>42233838
non dualism or ul or whatever you want to call it it's a first person thing. if the world is you, that means that events like people doing things for you in any capacity is actually you doing it to yourself. this is the "we're all one" (thing), because you are a conciussness dreaming a life as a person. how does anyone in your dreams does anything if its all inside your head? so when those existential reality questions arises, without bias you interrogate yourself about what you truly think about reality and why "you aren't getting results", and the world informs you what you actually know about this really, how correctly you are recognizing yourself as ul.

try this experiment, is great to get what one-thing means first hand: https://old.reddit.com/r/Oneirosophy/comments/2loaw1/outside_the_dreaming_game/
you are this presence beyond thoughts, perception and experience, underliying the entire world because if you are absent and forget about this realm, was there a world in the first place?
so in your question why we can do "anything" is the same reason why anything happen in a dream, it's the dream going on the go. john also explains how the subject of re-encarnation and "god forgetting himself to expand" play in all of this. if we can't stop experiencing and existing as such, there's always continuity going, so you basically have access to all knowledge because the only real knowledge is about the truth of Who.

>frustrated midwit tries to disprove nonduality
Riveting
>So I start shitting myself. How does nonduality explain that.
Checkmate
>>42233838
Um acktually you're a retard hylic in my experience. You have zero power as you're not the one in command... Only the person reading this has any power.

>>42234010
That's right and that person is me

>>42234010
im the person reading this and from my perspective you are a larper :)

>>42234010
>Only the person reading this has any power.
But this is correct tho?

>>42229332
>if I am OAP since why do nothing when i can do something i enjoy like decide something then play arma or some shit.
If you had read the material, you would already know this is a valid option. Other teachers say it too.

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>>42229242
>I've manifested a gf that was exactly as imagined, down to the persoanlity and heterchromia. But she probably existed already, it just forced the connection or whatever.

Would you mind Anon talking more about this in detail? That's quite something, specifically, I'd be quite interested in hearing just as an act of celebration of the capabilities of Who how the return lead the way or in Neville's lingo the bridge of accidents that lead to the return showing up in local timespace.

Thank you.

>>42218700
https://youtu.be/m3TeqxNMB3I
UL in a nutshell

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>>42236702
Kek

>>42218700
to people who are proficient enough with UL stuff to get returns, how was your life like before learning about UL and what was it like for you to learn it? Was your life difficult, did you have past supernatural experiences? How is your life like now? Do you find yourself using the knowledge to change your life frequently or do you kinda just go with a flow?

>>42238328
Have you ever gone lucid in a dream and realized you could change anything. How did you treat the dream world differently? Perhaps you were working dilligently at a job, realized its a dream, and immediately left completely ignoring your dream denizen's outcries as you went to have an orgy with 5 manifested supermodels.

A complete collapse of any importance to all human laws and obligations occurs. Why would you do anything I didn't love 100% of the time? Next thing you know you're driving around the USA in a camper van spamming "Domain Expansion: Kid Diddler paradise" like mr paolucci.

Saner minds prevail and you may choose to just be an empowered human, usually you just build a happy little life with some humility with impressive secrets.

Just be. It's that simple.

Is it true that this paolucci guy is a pedo

>>42240671
neville's I am reigns supreme

>>42241172
It's the same thing. Neville teachings take in mind that the reader knows what "I Am" means and act in alignment with the truth of who he is and what imagination really can do, not that he starts playing some bizarre hide and seek and method hopping while missing the forest for the trees just like his entire community wants you to believe. Where Neville falls apart imo is that just like the rest of new age teachings, he still believed until the end that there was some arbitrary limit when the premise of reality being imaginary and everything starting with a thought in your head (you capable of imagining everything unconditionally always and forever unbounded) is irreconcilable with that. Where Paolucci and TriumphantGeorge reach is the conclusion that everything is possible, and that imagination is actually how we navigate the world anyway, and that we don't have to rely on the experience of others or even our own until now, when what we can confirm by ourselves in direct observation is enough to give us conviction to go down this road, which is the organizing power of the knowledge of who we really are.

/x/ will never accept this, and people who do will eventually just repeat the same thing along these lines, and when you reach this point, asking now vs asking 100 years from now on, the same fundamental fact will be expressed perennialy because the truth doesn't change. If the users on this board were better informed about this stuff and some hollistic manifestation general were to happen, it would be more helpful than this gay hylic consolewars between approaches, but again, users really want to convince themselves of being helpless and this site to be the losers retirement home, so this may never happen.

are there no oneirosphy videos on youtube? I searched it and literally nothing came up. One of you could make a fortune

>>42241239
I'm currently writing novels centered around Oneirosophy/UL/Nonduality in my native language for study purposes. Is still a niche and relatively recent school of thought that just started and being studied right now after recent people rediscoved it, so it may take a while before it truly proliferates if it ever does in our lifetime.

>>42241239
Technically, only George Infinite Grid video so far? Paolucci videos if that counts even?

What exactly are you supposed to do during these sessions he talks about? How do you become this "presence?" Is it meditating or SATS by another name or something else completely?

>>42241434
>How do you become this "presence"?
Don't be silly. That's like saying "how do i exist? How can i start existing?". You already are present. Anyway, sessions are just meditation, but like, the real actual use of meditation, which is effortless intending; Just "being" for your return, just relaxing and deciding for it to happen at once. If you confirmed One-Thing, just being Universal Line, you agree to just be however you are to let the part of you unseen brings you your desire.

>>42241239
Paolucci used to have a youtube channel, which I'm pretty sure is how loa-types found out about him years ago

>>42241453
How do I get total fond flow effulgence so I can make things materialize out of thin air instantly

>>42241515
I think the materials answers this several times, but my gist of it is that you can just decide right now and here that you're FFE and manifest everything instantly. If it doesn't happen, you don't hold your conclusions because you need to have already confirmed yourself as One-Thing which breaks the feedback loop (proof loop) because you don't take any results for granted. Is a mind stretcher, i read both JP and TG, and George proposed a UL session style exersice where you use your dedicated time to assert yourself as OAP and the world around as a dream of your own, dissolving patterns and opening up to "know" how to do it or to dissolve everything at once and break trough. The important thing to have in mind is that you already can do that because of who you are, you have to confirm this and rest on this fact to make sense of everything else, and the rest comes by itself, in a matter of habit and repetition.

>>42241515
>How do I get total fond flow effulgence so I can make things materialize out of thin air instantly
You need to learn how to remove previous facts. When you assert/assume/become aware of something it makes it a fact. Sometimes you make them permanent facts (there is a moon in the sky above earth - for example). You need to learn how to remove facts and replace them with new ones. Unfortunately this is a very unexplored world, most ppl just want to add sp or money to their life and weave it in. So there's not much focus or info on "demanifesting"

>>42241651
Nowhere in UL is there a section about 'removing facts', the only thing you need is knowing that your return already exists in a potential state and that you can always intend for it to come from potential/unexpressed to real/expressed. Everything else is fluff and overcomplication that leads to nowhere in the long run

>>42241690
Literally the entire fucking command session is about dispelling facts. You say I am my ____ manifest in full. You generate some bs excuse (that's the fact you have to dispell) then you say don't care I'm OAP infinitely flexible (you dispell the fact here)

So yeah time to brush up on your UL studies. Somebody needs more preparatory resolve.

>>42241696
You don't dispelanything, you're not a priest banishing demons. Session is about doing nothing, what you wrote is doing something

>>42241696
The other anon is right in essence. Still thinking you need to "do","become","go trough this and the other" is a direct result of not actually knowing, and rationalizing seemingly absence with more homework. UL is as easy as just intending something and happening at once, just like becoming lucid in a dream that you actually know you're dreaming. Even Paolucci advices habit and repetition but only in acknowledgment of already being whole and commanding at once, because when you do any other thing besides commanding things in the now, any other thing more complicated than just deciding things and happening, is overcomplicating things and hanging onto limitations, which is easily dispelled understanding that your world is your mind, and if you can imagine something, is an option you can take, which you intend into reality.

what if this is vinny’s dream and we are all just living in it…
https://youtu.be/3QgcAifBYNg

>>42241172
Yes, "I am" is just an expression of Being. "Am" is the first-person present active indicative form of the verb "Be". As the other anon said, it's the same thing.

Finished a 10 minute command session for money but now I have a feeling of fear that it will come through the death of a relative or something. I know I don't need to worry about the how and that it will come in a perfect way but how do I ensure that it will be ok?

Can I change one small past decision?
If not, can I just make myself taller (at least 6’5 up from 6’1)? Otherwise this all seems pointless.

>>42242486
You can do anything. Congrats on being 6'5".

>>42227291
>You, my retarded fucking friend, are right here with me. This world that I'm describing now? Yeah, you're here too.
Imagine being this fucking retarded. elon musk is also in this world or beyonce or derek jeter or whoever. Are they living the life of a useless retard crying on the internet? No, they're not. I hate to break to it to you but you are genuinely extremely retarded, think you should check into one of those assisted living facilities or something.

>>42227531
So why are you still here? There's an obvious solution to hating life. Too cowardly to do it?

UL is not really that effortless, from the moment you end a session, you always have that command in the back of your mind, and I find that mentally exhausting state to be in for weeks

>>42245586
so you read the thing and dont care at all to actually trying it out. i would be skeptical as well, its like skipping some levels in a game. for your player character.
decide who tells you whats what about everything. after that point there is no going back. next believe them entirely.
whom will you serve anon.
by no going back, i dont mean you cannot change. but its like you are switching games. different games, different mechanics.

id advice to look at metaphysical constructs since you yourself are one such construct. there are many out there.

im assuming you are at lvl 1 or 2, according to some pic anon posted earlier i mean.

>>42243380
So I’m able to change a past decision with this? I just want my stuff back

>>42246119
No I tried it out, What I said does not change depending on your level. You will always be in that "expecting mode" the moment you commant something and won't be in that mode the moment you either quit or it's manifested.

>>42246161
Any answers?

>>42246564
The longer you dwell on whether you can, the longer you delay your desire from manifesting. Make the decision.

>>42246564
You have been asking this in a lot of threads. And anons here already have replied to you, both with explanations and ideas how to go about it. What about if you just try something out and see how it goes?

>>42241214
I also found myself only studying JP and TG from now on, as is pretty much everything there's to know about this subject, and the rest just ended up being redundant or incomplete and no longer useful to me at this point IMO. I agree that the strength of it is the self validating facts so you only rely on your own conviction in self knowledge rather than just having to believe things others say, and also how it ties to the philosophy and logic behind it, as well exercises for experimentation on the side. LoA and Magick literature always want to make buts and create arbitrary stuff when structurally speaking, theres no difference between manifesting menial stuff and important things and events, besides the importance we give to those things and trying to convince us that we cannot do it which is really not permitting ourselves to live these things in reality.

year 3 of doing nothing to accomplish everything. So far, nothing accomplished... I guess i need to read the same words again 50 more times right guys? Its all cause i dont want a return right??? or im not taking the info seriously enough yet...

>>42248131
>year 3 of doing nothing to accomplish everything. So far, nothing accomplished...
Ain't that the truth?
This shit's a grift, man.
My youtube page is full of this stuff, all the channels have millions of views, comments are all the same shit on every video "I hope all of you who are in pain or who are having a hard time see this and heal and manifest the life you were always meant to have *pray emoji*
It's just preying on people who have it rough and want a way out.

But that's all it is, the ultimate new trendy grift.
And btw all those youtube channels just so happen to have courses/books that cost literal thousands to buy into.
If any of this was real then why are they all running the same grift?

Really makes you wonder.

>>42248176
>Really makes you wonder.
What really makes me wonder is why you are here? You said it doesn't work so shouldn't you be moving on? Is your life so utterly worthless that you would spend it all discussing a scam?

>>42248476
>Is your life so utterly worthless that you would spend it all discussing a scam?
Why yes it is. Life is worthless. That's why I spend all my days posting on this website. Literally nothing better to do.
>Dude wtf don't you like suffering?
No, not particularly.

Now tell me why you're so mad that people are here reporting that this doesn't work. Do you just want an echo chamber so you can grift with impunity? Is that it? Or is hearing accounts from people who have tried and seen no results so damaging that you're worried it'll pull you from your own delusions?

>>42248131
gave me a good chuckle, thanks

I will never stop laughing at neets doing Magick for impossible things thinking it'll work when they just jack off, never leave the house and let their 50 yo parents cook chicken nuggies for them. Best you impotent cucks can manifest is a free video game gift from your neetbux discord friends or your mom picking up fast food.

>>42248501
So you're an utterly worthless toxic miserable wretch whose sole intention of being here is to spread toxicity and misery. You want people to fail. Thank you for the confirmation. May you remain in this state until you meet your end. Sound's harsh but I don't think anyone will say you don't deserve it.

>Now tell me why you're so mad that people are here reporting that this doesn't work.

That's not what you're doing. You're not innocently reporting anything.

There should logically be only 2 types of people who remain here for extended periods. 1) Those who want to start getting it to work and 2) Those who have already got it to work and want to get better at it. But you are here, I guess you're just the equivalent of some guy with an absolutely horrific rare disease in forum form.

>>42248762
Every post of yours I see is full of frothing rage. I see directly through your virtue signaling bullshit and it drives you mad.
Here's an idea, since you believe you're god, why don't you manifest me away? Or, if I'm too strong for you to manifest away, why don't you tuck tail and manifest yourself to a parallel dimension where I'm doing something else and not posting here?
Why can't you even manage that, I wonder?
Because for someone who claims he can recreate the world and make adjustments as he sees fit, you come across as laughably powerless.
If you can't manage that, then why should anybody take any of this garbage you talk about seriously?

>>42248791
>Every post of yours
Which posts are those?

>is full of frothing rage
very nice example of projection. Frothing rage is a perfect description

>why don't you manifest me away?
You must be extremely stupid, if I could manifest or demanifest anything I want at any time I would not be coming here. That's the entire point for people to come here in the first place. I guess you think you're winning something when you attempt to disrupt any discussion that takes place. May you keep winning in this way for the longest time.

>>42249008
>You must be extremely stupid, if I could manifest or demanifest anything I want at any time I would not be coming here
Sounds like you're the stupid one if you still believe in this crap. Nobody here can do that. It's a grift.

>>42249061
>you are either a full fledged Buddha or it doesn't work
Extreme stupidity confirmed 100%

>>42249115
Anon, stop feeding the troll. You're better than this.

>>42249061
skill issue lol.

all of this will fundamentally change the foothold situation of this Ra°lity for the better, how exactly?
all i can see here is egotistical self-serving, which is comprehensive, im not the one to judge.
but this will at best lead to single entities being empowered or leaving /here/ while not really having an impact on anything at all whatsoever in a bigger picture and
at worst alert the agenturist retard wranglers (because of people like >>42241353) to come and patch the entire netcode and ruin it for everyone else for ever, which is a long duration,
even if with best intentions in mind (path to hell is plastered with good intentions) or make it so damn obstructed in the future that it will take an aeonic timeframe for a planetwide reset for this knowledge to resurface (probably just like it does now, IN THIS VERY MOMENT).

cmon
take a step back.
i had this realisation >>42238434 like a year or 3 ago. i am still contemplating and dwelling on this fact and how it is compatible with gnosticism, christ impulse, the tao, qabala and other things.
haste makes waste and good things take time.

also some huge problems arise when thinking about all this stuff. why bother at all? why do anything at all anyway?
"i know that i can use my will and intent and energy to manifest xyz and, infact, it does happen so" "so why shall i test myself anyway?" "why were i/we put /here/ then, in the first place?"
idk i cant properly find the words to describe what i mean.
"yeah i can do xyz. now that i have done xyz, it is boring AF again; so for future reference i decide to stay inert and rest in the knowledge that i COULD if i wanted to, but why SHOULD I, so I don’t."
somehow this makes existence and existing, redundant. if you can see what i mean?
maybe i dont see some important info or aspect or POV, please do enlighten me then.

>>42247305
I go to sleep every night *knowing* that the decision was reversed or that the situation has changed but it doesn’t seem to work
>>42247325
The only answers I receive are “just do” or “just be” or “revision” and I’ve tried all of these as well as dimension jumping. I just want a concise step-by-step.

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>>42249858
>it doesn’t seem to work
According to what? Your perception? That is an illusion based on lower truths/limited perception. Why put so much trust in it? Consider this picture: Tile A is the same color as Tile B in both examples, even if Tile B looks lighter in the first one. You can even test it using art software like Photoshop.
>I just want a concise step-by-step
What we're telling you is even simpler than any process because there is really only one step, but I'll try to break it down: Tell me—as you've finished reading this post, how do you find yourself? Are you lying down? Are you reading this on a phone?

>>42250779
NTA, but what is your advice on big vs small returns? Like say I ultimately want a family member to be fully healed from all symptoms vs healing just one symptom. I understand that both of these cases already exist in line, but practically, doing sessions one symptom bring healed is more likely to come sooner. Thoughts?

>>42250779
>Consider this picture: Tile A is the same color as Tile B in both examples, even if Tile B looks lighter in the first one. You can even test it using art software like Photoshop
But according to you, the can prove this wrong simply by deciding to. So what good is your "proof"?
If anything, your example proves that a person CANT change things just by perspective. A and B are the same color, no matter how much you think they aren't.

>>42251383
>your example proves that a person CANT change things just by perspective
Sure. Don't use it then.

so, not only am i rangeb& for months now, but shadowbanned as well. sux to be in this orwellian nightmare terrorincarnation of a discount reality matrix simulation.
>>42249505
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>>42253139
What the fuck are you talking about? How are you "banned" and still able to post your nonsense? You think this >>42249505 is some deep truth? It's just the ramblings of some fool with insufficient understanding.

>sux to be in this orwellian nightmare terrorincarnation of a discount reality matrix simulation
Stupid defeatist nonsense

>>42253139
Nobody gives a shit about your coping, dude. Stick to the nobody generals or go back to >>>/r9k/

>>42253273
huh. im a /x/ native, but ok.
so you prefer to be blinded by your very own greed/ignorance then?
and thats why /we/ cant have good things.

(see? i posed plausible and logical concerns, they prefer not to listen. i do not claim that energy and hereby officially declare my self absolved from any negative karmic/actio-reactio consequences, three, three so mote it bee)

>>42255424
>Muuh greed muh karma
Any person moralfagging in a subjective reality thread of all places will be automatically dismissed.

>UL
https://mega.nz/folder/Fu4xxKSC#VNDxAmZBqlIxHBltiiaKig

>>42255424
thank you schizoanon for keeping the thread alive

>>42218700
I think it is completely possible for two eternal necessary beings to exist without any reference field to 'distinguish' between them aside from the fact that they have two separate subjective experiences.

Time and Space are illusions.