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O9A general thread for all discussion surrounding the septenary system, the seven fold way, the way of the rural rounwytha, and awakening to the dark power within via traversing those pathways
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>>42236179
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original o9a > post sutter o9a
it may have been a ripoff of wicca, hermeticism, lovecraft and machen, kenneth grant, thelema, yockey and spengler but at least the physical trials and insight roles and time spent among nature were original.
and the art and music was good
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We're still watching, still waiting, still lurking, still surveilling
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Have you even gone through the process of initiation? I mean do you actually live according to the sevenfold way? Have you taken up an insight role? Have you dedicated a year to studying the core MSS? Have you undergone an extreme physical trial? Have you hunted an animal?
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>>42236179
Did you get so absolutely BTFO in the last thread that you had to make another
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>>42236179
What's interesting about the whole Sevenfold Way/ONA mythos isn't the dark and sinister stuff, but the insight roles and use of Hermetic and Cunning Folk practices. Cunning folk found in Europe and even some parts of Asia are fascinating because they are a kind of rustic magic without needless complication. I'm not shocked that whoever invented the ONA labyrinth of mythology drew from that.
>>42236190
That's probably why the sinister "Satanic" stuff doesn't have the real weight that you would expect. Also the Nazi stuff. Edgelord stuff doesn't appeal to adults with a sane mind.
>>42236470
>Have you taken up an insight role?
Hebrew Israelite was my insight role. It's fascinating how much you can learn just by being around and listening. As the token white guy nobody really worries about you in any way. Also it helps because you are on the "outside" and nobody worries about you being an agent/plant or what not.
>>42238217
This is spot on.
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>>42238270
You seem to have some experience in the subject. Have you actually tried to live according to the seven fold way? Have you done all the trials? If so what level of the seven fold way did you reach? How was the experience?
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>>42238388
LOL
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>>42238397
I have some experience with the occult, studying the ONA material, and also being a sort of double agent in different communities. I wouldn't call myself anything special. Doing any real trials is a personal thing and most people aren't cut out for most of them. Most people can't keep a straight face while playing poker, much less while under scrutiny in an extremist group. I can't get into some stuff, but let me just say that the losers who latch onto "dark mystique" stuff like 90% of nexions tend to be, usually aren't anything but fakers.
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>>42238550
Im aware of most being fakers. I respect you not wanting or not being able to disclose certain things but I was hoping you could share, at least vaguely, what your experience has been. How has it helped you in your personal life? And how far along are you would you say? Initiate, external adept etc.
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>>42238270
cunning folk were just literate rural people who drew from a garbled mix of traditional high magic and indigenous rural customs
which is what the o9a is. kek. it's literally just mary webb shropshire folklore, arthur machen and lovecraft stories and the existing occult traditions myatt took from. but its become its own enemy now because nobody interested inthe o9a now into it because they want to read edwardian novels set in a rural english county they're into le spooky sinister violence shit.
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>>42238752
Bumping this to answer your question. The Sevenfold Way is an interesting approach to life, which is a LHP system. Your ideas about right and wrong might be a little bit different from some people with a more conventional worldview. I can say that it has made me more accepting of people and less judgemental. I might feel certain people are a bit off putting, but I don't judge people. Morality with less judgement is probably what the world needs. Also, we need a more academic occult culture. Insight roles tend to expose you to worldviews and ideas that ordinary life would not. People also tend to learn from challenge. That is the best part of the ONA lit/nexion culture.
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>>42242158
I would say I am a external adept. The challenge of lying in a lonely place late at night for the whole night is rigerous. You hear every noise and feel a fear that is almost present with you. It's roughly like the Dementor from Harry Potter, as cringe as that might sound. Fear embodied. You feel something that MIGHT be a bug and you think it's going to sting you or poison you. You hear a gunshot or a loud noise that might be a gunshot. You hear a dog bark. That the whole thing is individual makes for a slightly easier ordeal, but not by much.
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>>42242166
I appreciate your response and you sharing your experience. Its fascinating hearing about this stuff from a first hand account.
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>>42244524
You HAVE TO do nothing, you MAY follow the FAQa that got laid out in the literature
Generally speaking
>Neophyte
Being aware it exists, being aware there is a difference between causal and acausal, getting familiar with the epistem, learn the vocabulary and its internal relationships, internalize it, start to train body and mind
>Initiate
You should now be able to understand what Alchemy and Magick is, beyond stereotypes. This is about hermetic work, learn how to to perform both in a small controlled environment, becoming able to identify acausal forces and deepening your understanding of relationship between acausal and causal
>External Adept
You should now be able to perform Magick and Alchemy in a small circle and spot acausal energy like they were causal. So next step is jumping into the of fire and leaving your comfort zone to perform aeonic magick and deepen the Alchemy into a sinister consciousness in an uncontrolled environment — the famous "insight roles", living the pathei-matos
>Internal Adept
You should now be able to at will join and change causal groups and manipulate them like mundanes change their underwear, so nothing to learn in that direction anymore. Time to face your own demons, the little rests of causal mundane consciousness left inside you. Complete isolation for months, years, becoming a conduit of acausal forces, not just spotting acausal forces but blurring them with the causal.
>Master of Earth
After mastered the external and internal causality and merged with the acausal, you build, you guide, but never as a "leader", always from the shadows, always as merely a conduit. Those who seek to be leaders, seek to remain in control failed the internal adept.
>Magus
You are no longer concerned with the current thing, you see the matrix and outside the matrix clearly; your only concern is sinister dialectic that lasts aeons
>Immortal
You transcended. Your causal form is dead, your sinister dialectic shapes the aeon
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>>42247267
The steps are explained in detail in Hostia you can find the full PDF online. Off the top of my head in order to become a Neophyte you need to dedicate six months or a year to studying the core ONA texts like Naos and The Black Book of Satan and also learning how to play the star game. In order to become an initiate you have to continue your study of the texts and also learning how to use the tarot cards, you also need to accomplish a physically demanding task like running a 20 mile marathon in under 2 hours, I think this is also the stage where it is recommended to take an insight role.
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>>42247052
what is the stargame? Its a complex game that is supposed to teach the player thinking ahead, doing strategic sacrifices, transform roles and think on multiple levels at the same time, while moving toward a goal.
That's what the internet is, thinking ahead, doing strategic sacrifices, transform roles and think on multiple levels at the same time while moving toward a goal.
Somebody that grew up in such an environment doesn't need an analog game to have internalized that kind of thinking.
That's the core issue with your 70s larpers, you are stuck, you are like your parents that never managed to evolve their thinking out of the 1950s. You are the worst possible Masters of Earth of the 21st century, and if by now you are not on the level of a Magus; seriously just shut the fuck up and go be obsolete trash somewhere else; you are not guiding anybody; you cant read the map
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>>42242450
No problem. If you're interesting in anything else related to the Sinister Tradition or "Order of Nine Angles" proper, feel free to ask. I find it so regretable that these threads become basically poop fight threads. I want to raise the IQ of the discussion if I can.
>>42246294
For most people, this is close enough. Just do work into studying mystical thought. Don't worry about being "sinister" while you're developing. Don't try and be an edgelord. Push yourself to work on yourself and everything else kind of works.
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>>42248139
Boomers, your world doesn't exist anymore. It relied on clear hierarchical top down knowledge and meaning propagation, through passive media and institutional set ups; these archaic models have no reach anymore, some are down 90% over the last 10 years. They die with you. Scratch that, they are already dead. You have no future
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>>42248186
>If you're interesting in anything else related to the Sinister Tradition or "Order of Nine Angles" proper, feel free to ask.
I suppose I would most like to know what your thoughts are on the current state of the O9A, does it have a future or is too tarnished by bad press? Are you aware of any other individuals who are still actively involved? What are your thoughts on the seven oxonians? Also how do you feel about Myatt, I have seen the sentiment that he is a scam artists who just made the ONA as a form of self mythologizing and that it didn’t even really exist until the 90s and that the supposed inner circle is made up him. If there was something you wish more people knew or understood about the O9A what would it be? And whats the biggest misconception you have seen?
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>>42248269
Those are generally not satanic, as in the original meaning of the word, the opponent. The right hand path is about ethics, morality and social conformity as social control mechanisms. Sinistra is about dismantling those conventions externally and internally as performative slave beliefs
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>>42248303
yet it feels like anyone can claim to be "subversive" yet still cling towards false concepts like "magic"
>>42248307
gotta get that kike tokens i see, since that's what defines your worth
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>>42248216
>current state of the ONA
I wrote a whole bunch and then lost it all. Bloody hell. The state of the Order of Nine Angles is rather bad, especially since we’re being tied to organized sadism like 764. I am beyond appalled by that. I take myself seriously when it comes to this tradition and 764 is totally just a bunch of opfers. I hope they get federal prison or something. Can’t say much more. The Sinister Tradition will outlast them.
>thoughts on Myatt
Cool guy. Can’t imagine what it is like for him to witness the current situation. I want to do my best to preserve what he built.
>If there was something you wish more people understood about the ONA, what is it?
I wish people had a nuanced view and didn’t buy into much of the hype pushed by mainstream media. I also wish many nexions would disband.
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>>42248328
I know this is probably a reach but do you believe there is any truth to the claim that there are old niners from way back in the day that are currently working in academia at prestigious universities? Its a claim I’ve seen thrown around. Also how do you feel about Moult and other people who have been associated with the order like Chloe? Also are there any nexions that you think are actually doing anything to keep it alive or are they all grifters for the most part? What do you think could be done to salvage the ONA from all the misinfo and opportunists who have clung onto it?
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>>42248318
Magick and subversion go hand in hand. The former is just an old term for willful manipulation of internal and external states by whatever means at hand, which is mostly just language and generating expectations in oneself or somebody else. Subversion is mainly the art of generating expectations that get actually counter acted
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>>42248377
There might be truth mixed with exaggeration in the case of “old guard ONA” being academics/professors. I want to believe it, because at least then there can be some model for emulation. Something to aspire to be. I want that to be the thing associated with ONA.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_A._Aquino#Child_molestation_alle gations
it's a small world
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>>42248417
Such mundane misunderstanding. You are lazer focused on individuals. Typical normal faggot behavior that says more about you than about the individuals you project your world into. It says YOU are a follower, a slave that requires leadership and projects his lack of independence into others and truly believes attacking some nobodies that get misconstrued as leaders is a viable attack angle on the ideas
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>>42248430
Marxists and the colloquial political left are a one trick pony. Pure materialists that draw from one single manipulative technique, convincing mundanes that if they follow them they get a cookie later. That's about their entire subversive power, and yes worked pretty great during a time where social pressuring through hegemonic epistemic power had an effect, doesn't work anymore
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>>42248446
i think their strategy was creating an alternative economy, and that's how the bolshevics won over the "whites". i think the current leftists don't understand subversion anymore. and i don't think that trying to subvert things from the inside is going to succeed, it looks like the left hand path is about having fun rather than actually trying to change the world.
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>>42248440
You are projecting mundane. What made made me personally explore these aspects were ironically french post structuralists and deconstructivists, and being unsatisfied with their conclusions and analysis, trying to go beyond. Myatt just happens to be one of many that formulated a few useful ideas I stumbled across years ago
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>>42248457
The political left has buttfuck nothing to do with the left hand path. They are generally and where always just retards that deluded themselves into changing one set of ethics, morality and social conformity with their brand. The political left has been and will always be right hand pather
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>>42248482
What is violence? Its deliberately acting against social contracts that promise order through self regulation and showing that these social contracts are just smoke and mirrors. Nothing more nothing less.
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>>42248496
i agree, but i don't see why you need to wrap it in esoteric nonsense. i guess i can see if someone tried to be a "effective" satanist, whatever that might mean, but i don't see what exactly are they trying to accomplish? do you just expect things to collapse on their own? and then your version of the transformation will replace it?
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>>42248490
It has no intention of generating a "new" system. What is a system. A system is a processual feedback loop. Input, processing of the input through various methods and models, output, feedback that gets refeeded into the process engine as input.
The left hand path is about breaking aspects of that loop.
>>42248504
Not on its own, deliberate attacks on various points of the processual engine that is supposed to create order. You see ordo a chao. I only see flux without order. Acausality, absence of causality
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>>42248533
I see it as slightly more dangerous than what your average mundane faces every day. I am very good at self defense and avoiding feds. They give themselves away very obviously. I think that is a wonderful thing.
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>>42248539
>You guys
Lol. What is it with that token. That subconscious attempt at categorization and distinction, it idebtifies you nigger faggots so easily
>Why attack the lowest levels
Well that's the most effective form of terror. The social contract of the past few 1000 years is built upon what Hobbes called the Leviathan, the most effective way of destroying that social contract is proving, that the Leviathan is a toothless, virtual story
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>>42248496
man spouting this much canned faggot discord brain fried cult slop is so cool, how do i too go about becoming a "liberated" brainless opfer slogan bot? how many face tattoos should i get? do you do crystal or fent?
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>>42248566
Are you actually really thinking that your 1950s corner bar social signaling method has any effects. You are not an epistemic authority, you are an anon on an anon board. There is no community you oversocialized mundane excuse of a human
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>>42248554
what kind of people do you kill then?
>>42248556
does it really bring terror where is matters? i'm fairly sure that disorder just gives more excuses to more repression of freedoms and privacy, thus ensures that the power structure is reinforced. it seems like the opposite of your claimed mission
>>42248566
what is more braindead than using slang that gives your beliefs away. nobody knows what you mean by "magian", you just give yourself away.
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>>42248575
>P-please don't target the weakest points of the herd
>"T-they" might become more oppressive
All "they" can do is write reports and scrap bodies off the floor AFTER it happened and do speeches about how its bad, while on the material level the weakest of their cattle get slaughtered. What was the "lefts" favorite term, ah yes, reaction(ary)
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>>42248593
do you think they really care about those you kill? maybe you're just doing their job for them. who is going to be convinced by incoherent targets with no direction or motive? does it make you feel like you regain some control? pedos think the same way.
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>>42248607
No of course "they" individually don't care, that's the point. And the targeting is all but incoherent. Why target somebody at the top, that is but a symbol, a face that can be replaced when the softests, easiest, most valuable targets are those that provided the legitimation and bottom line of the symbols.
You don't topple a pyramid by attacking the top, but by eroding the foundation
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>>42248629
i see, but i think you're still having aiming low. maybe you should try doing something that's going to disrupt more people's lives than killing the lowest hanging bum. people won't stop demanding safety if you're just going to rape the poorest the same way jews do. i think leftists who sabotaged the power grid created more desparation that you will ever make with your sadistic chimp outs.
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>>42248645
Material damage can be rebuild, a father that got robbed in front of his children, a family that moarns an elder having been randomly stabbed and died miserably while nobody around did anything, a child that got traumatized online and started to harm itself without the family being able to prevent nor explain it, those are the small things that compound and erode the foundation
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>>42248666
do you think you will succeed with this strategy? it feels detrimental to anything good. i feel like you're just going to accumulate bad karma until all your "allies" turn you to the feds for a deal like myatt and then you will see yourself be raped in prison. i don't think there will be much of a legacy of any impact you believe your "influence" will have. what are you winning exactly that being another crab in the bucked, doing the pettiest of things, expecting to be a part of something bigger, but the truth is that you're here, on a honeypot website precisely because you have no life, no control, and you felt like abusing easy prey is somehow enjoyable. maybe you should reconsider if your actions actually stick it to those you who designed these hierarchies. otherwise you shouldn't expect anything else than a failure.
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>>42248690
Lmfao. You ticked off the entire bingo card of fail pseudo voodoo wannabe de-radicalization methodology in one miserable post. In the language of the o9a, I am at the stage between Master of Earth and Magnus. What am I doing here, what am I most likely doing all over the net? Not being some leaderfag, not being some dreg, but formulating sinister dialectic, and you can do nothing about it.
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>>42248714
deep down you know none of these concepts will ever see the light of a day. i think being a drug dealer would be more effective way of ruining the world, if that's what you want. i don't understand what you promise yourself from this
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>>42248733
what will happen if you will see yourself be on the receiving end of this mentality? is it really worth it to tell yourself that it's better for you to be with the most undesirable, twisted, imbalanced individuals rather than focusing your destruction on something that disgusts you more than who you became? how long do you expect telling yourself that you do whatever will be a good enough cope with your situation, in which you aren't the first, nor the last. you can't preach when it becomes obvious that your "might" isn't as definitive as you would want it to be. there is always time for a compromise.
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>>42248770
so do you think you're less of a slave by adopting the inversion of struggle? do you actually believe that it's going to transform you into someone more free and powerful or is that just how you peacock to others? i'm having trouble understanding what you expect from all of this. or what are you trying to damage. it feels like you're just circumsizing your soul
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>>42236179
Alright, I wasn't going to do this...but I'm the unofficial/official "leader" of this group (which has no leaders).
But I'm the guy who runs it (if anyone were to exist that did) but not at the moment...unless I choose to, which I don't.
AMA
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>>42250713
Is he still affiliated with the ONA or did he totally ditch them? I liked his music, people like him and Moult were the real hearts of the ONA because they actually contributed good art and music rather than just being edge lords.
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>>42250302
what you are doing is showing your weakness.
radicalizing 8 - 16 year old works like a charm by showing them the rationality and potential profits of defying moral and ethic self regularization and the weakness of the so called "state", its actors and those dependent on the virtual social order remaining intact.
Isn't that what the ona is supposed to be about? Murdering the society of the mundane
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>>42251792
Radicalizing a literal child to kill 1 or 2 people and then themselves at a school or other soft target is the ONA way? You aren't just using ONA as justification (incorrectly I may add) to indulge your depraved base desires are you?
Even if for some reason I agreed that using children as cannon fodder was an acceptable by-any-means-necessary solution it doesn't seem like the results have historically been very effective.
Aeonic strategy (if you can even call it that in good conscience) aside this looks from the outside simply like a mundane, ego-driven and pathetic attempt to convince yourself and your little faggot internet buddies how "sinister" and evil you are. Many such cases, sad!
By all means though keep trying to be the Joseph Kony of Discord. I'm sure the 5 kids you spend months convincing to throw their lives away will totally "murder the society of the mundane" bro. I'll even write you a letter in prison calling you a retarded faggot when zog eventually rapes you (this will happen because you appear to actually have the iq of the average Ugandan). Godspeed you myopic spiritual groid!
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>>42251915
You really forget the compounding effect. Its not just 1 or 2 people dying or dozens of people getting injured, its hundreds, thousands, ten thousands of people that thanks to the attention economy, click baitery, algorithms to the grifters that want to ride the "tragedy" for their own reasons that are getting affected. From the direct environment of the victims that are very real confronted with the weakness and powerlessness of the Leviathan to the edgy shitposter whose consciousness about the external world slighty shifts and normalizes the presence of individual violence and the virtuality of security.
That's what terrorism is. The victims are just statistics, the terror is the information
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>>42254740
I understand your theory but this type of scattershot terror has both lost its novelty and doesn't produce reliably predictable effects, especially in a population that lacks ideological cohesion.
What even is your end goal again with this other than nebulous chaos? Certainly you aren't "destroying the society of the magian" with this niggerbrained spray-and-pray approach because that would take discipline and planning and measurable achievable goals.
I know it makes you feel like a badass sitting at your computer talking to literal children on Roblox but maybe you should reconsider your choice of how you spend your time. This type of amorality is a retarded ideological and spiritual dead-end (much like your genetic information) and involving children (of your own race presumably) marks you as an even lower class of mundane than those you profess your undying hatred for.
I would say go back to planning on attacking infrastructure if you really want the Great Satan to fall but you won't listen. Casting your lot with the "evil without limits" crowd is extremely low IQ behavior lol.
>inb4 moralfag, weak, you don't understand
I get it, fuck you faggot.
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>>42255506
trust the plan vro