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This isn't a thread for "who killed her?"
There is nearly 30+ years of evidence (https://cavdef.org/w/index.php?title=JonBenet_Ramsey_murder) pointing to a pedophile network in this case:
-A team of renowned doctors including a former president of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences concluded JonBenet had been sexually abused, not only on the night she was murdered but for an extended period of time beforehand. This was contradicted by the family's pediatrician, Dr. Francesco Beuf who had changed careers - he was originally an engineer doing top secret work for defense companies, incl GE Missile and Space. It has never been explained why Beuf lied about the absence of sexual abuse, nor why the doctor who performed the autopsy excluded it from his report (despite a sworn statement from Det. Linda Arndt, who said he had told her that there was clear evidence of sexual abuse).
-John Ramsey, retired Navy officer with top-secret clearance, became a vice president of Lockheed Martin, after they purchased his company Access Graphics in 1995. The corporate documents of Access reveal deep ties to Boeing, Lockheed, and the National Reconnaissance Office, Ramsey's business partner Peter B. Teets (the registered agent for Access Graphics) later heading this ultra secret agency, leading to speculation that Access was considerably more than a "computer store" founded in John Ramsey's basement in Atlanta GA, with annual revenue of more than a billion dollars in 1996.
-Ramsey's father headed the Michigan Aeronautics Commission at the time Francis Shelden, et al constructed an airstrip on North Fox Island, flying children there. Members of the North Fox Island pedophile ring were suspected of involvement in the Oakland County child murders.
-Ramsey has been represented by the Haddon law firm since 1996, which has deep ties to the political establishment in Colorado including running the campaigns of Governors, Senators etc. Haddon's clients include Ghislaine Maxwell.
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>>42239092
This is the type of stuff glowies hate on this board. I have no idea why they continue pushing garbage narratives that it wasn’t the father pimping her out with the mother being in on it too since it’s not like the defense contractors will ever let the truth come out. It’s truly sad these idiots cover up the horrific abuse and murder of this poor girl
It’s just another example of how companies that profit off the death and war are satanic pedos. Someday they’ll all pay for this even their low level trolls who misdirect people even if it’s in the afterlife
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I don’t care
I have heard about this girl since I was like 7 or 8
It is very strange now that I am 38 that we still keep coming back to this case like every single year. Why do we keep having to care? There are several unsolved murders involving children but we have had to listen to this one my entire fucking life.
Why is this never dropped?
Why is the the only child murder ever?
I unironically hope some pedo takes the mantle and just makes a shitload of AI animations of her. Will that be enough to stop hearing about this as more begin to treat it as a joke?
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>>42239218
You’re sick but no one asked you to care. I never go into the nobody general and tell them how stupid they are because I don’t care about slide threads but yet here you are posting paragraphs about how you don’t care about a little girl being murdered. You must be a real big man to say such things about a dead little girl. You fucking chump
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>>42239334
cold?
i'm saving you, you fucking moron. it's the complete opposite of cold.
do not look at the autopsy photos. do not read the police report. do not watch the house footage.
i'm fucking warning you. there is no going back.
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Probably a larper but OP it's a nasty case they will never solve because the system knows who does it. People make jokes https://youtu.be/GkW7IUyS2j8 but I don't think it's funny I see it as signalling and bragging. It's beyond duper's delight. But be very intentional to if you are going to host space/conversation that you don't seek or intend for it to go anywhere. Glowies will leech onto you for much less, but I find if you keep intentions clear than all goes easier.
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>>42239348
Who wants to live in a world where this stuff is kept in the dark? It needs to come out so this world can heal. What happens to a little girl in a Colorado mansion reverberates and affects us all. Jon Ramsey is close to death, the mom is gone, the defense companies will stay wealthy and powerful no matter what we say on this Siberian reindeer milking board. Justice for her is impossible but through awareness maybe others realize this behavior can’t continue. Maybe they protect their siblings more, maybe they hug their children and realize how fragile life can be.
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>>42239218
>Why is the the only child murder ever?
Because American proles are fascinated by wealth and the wealthy and the lives they live. It also makes them feel good to think that the wealthy are less moral than they are. That's why these kinds of cases will live on.
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>>42239092
Let's add some fuel to this campfire.
-The ransom asked for was the exact amount John Benet got for a Christmas bonus that year. This is a red herring.
-Many of the pageants JonBenet "won" were fake.
-The crimes in Detroit the family are tied to (North Fox Island/Oakland), implicate executives in the automotive industry, and by proxy the defense industry.
-The Ramsey's have deep ties to Charlevoix, which is less than a half hour flight to North Fox.
-John Ramsey was heavily invested in an Italian restaurant, Pasta Jay's, even staying with the owner after the JBR case.
-Boulder is a hotbed for trafficking cases. Correlates to defense industry connections.
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>>42239476
>these kind of cases
That’s the thing.
It’s just this one.
This is the only case like this for a murdered child covered endlessly for 3 decades.
Now that I am old. It is very weird.
There is nothing like this.
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Normal people dont care abouth this shit they just go to work mindlessly. I remember when cnn used to play this a lot and actually give it coverage among other things. Im a conservative who listens to rush limbaugh but that was actually cool of liberals or whatever
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>>42239834
They are the killers
There is no mystery to return to. Just a story to tell.
>>42239833
Is there no other wealthy child killed in the last 30 years or something?
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>>42239857
Glowies aren't sending their best. They don't even try to convince you you're wrong anymore, they just look at you like this.
I've heard about Dutroux and Franklin, not about this one. I'll look into it.
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>>42239857
The JBR case hits a very particular intersection of normie true crime and being a deep event. That's why studying it is still so important today.
The normie appeal.
>Classic who dun it.
>Affluent all-American family.
>Pageant girl.
The deep topics.
>Intergenerational abuse and high crime.
>Connections to institutions past and present.
>Defense industry tie-ins.
>Oil industry connections via Fleet White.
>Pageantry being a front for child trafficking (Look at Erika Kirk).
>How affluent good ol boys cover for each other.
It's incredibly important to study these events and figures. They reoccur. The fact that there's still media misdirection is a big red flag that this case in particular can help unravel the network.
In the grand scheme of things, this is still current news compared to ongoing coverups and shitcoat operations being pushed on similar topics like Bundy's victims, Sharon Tate, etc. Narrative control is the name of the game.
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>>42239092
If this group of clearance-havers and defense contractor execs is behind it what was the motive for her murder? What more is the father's company supposed to be? What evidence is there for trafficking kids to some island? This all reads like classic speculative leaps which is just yawn-inducing.
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>>42239743
>This is the only case like this for a murdered child covered endlessly for 3 decades.
Nah. Thats an exaggeration. The dude that killed his wife and two little girls was covered ad nauseum. There have been lots of other cases obsessed over by the proles before and since JBR. Anytime a pretty white girl gets killed it makes big news. Add $/class, and it's even more of a feeding frenzy. Same reason Columbo was such a big hit in the US.
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>>42240692
Listen to yourself
“The dude that killed”
If it was that frequent you would immediately know and type the name of the dude that killed.
No child’s murder is a prolific as Jon Bennet.
No other child murder in our entire culture and lives have been covered like this ever.
It is now weird that I am almost 40 and we haven’t moved on or started obsessing this heavily over another child murder every single year.
Even with kids like Maddie it gets compared to JBR.
We are like 9 years overdue for mockery.
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>>42240725
> that frequent
How frequently are you talking about? If it happens once it’s too frequent to me and deserves to be discussed
Why are you so against people discussing cold cases on this board? Do you say the same thing on Maddy McCann or Karmein Chan threads?
You’re a grown man who spends time mocking the death of a little girl? Someone should check your hard drives
Do you have children? Do you ever spend time around kids? Asking for society
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>>42239994
You’ve never heard of north fox island? Or Oakland county murders?
> The Oakland County Child Killer case involves the unsolved abduction and murder of four children (Mark Stebbins, Jill Robinson, Kristine Mihelich, and Timothy King) in suburban Detroit, Michigan, between 1976 and 1977. The victims were held captive for days, with bodies often found in public view. Despite decades of investigations, the perpetrator was never identified
> In the context of the Oakland County Child Killer (OCCK) case, "Fox Island" refers to North Fox Island in Lake Michigan, which investigators linked to a notorious child pornography and abuse ring that operated concurrently with the murders
>yawn inducing
Then leave the thread and stop bumping it. You only bring more attention every time you post
You’re a nasty person at the soul level and it shows
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>>42241412
I’m not against cold cases
I find this one odd
Because not once in our lives does this case go away to be cold…at least in this country. Every year in the mainstream for 30+ years.
That’s the frequency I am talking about.
Many many many girls have unsolved murders
But this is the only one we must care about for our entire lives
I’m sick of seeing it.
No other case is like this at all. She is not the only child to be murdered.
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>>42241491
Not the point. Why does this case stay in constant rotation while others fade? I’m asking why this one gets brought back into the mainstream every year for decades while others don’t.
Why this one, every year for 30 years?
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>>42241544
Because the media attention it received from the PR agency trying to paint the family as victims?
Holy shit you’ve spent 15 hours in this thread asking the same question. I went to bed and woke up and you’re still here acting like it matters what you think is too much coverage but it only confirms op’s point of a wealthy coverup to protect rich and powerful.
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>>42241430
The Donald Trump insult at the end really sells your case buddy. Anyway so there are people who committed murders on an island, you still haven't answered my questions
[Spoiler]>The defense contractor pedophile ring killed her, well just because I said so!![/spoiler]
You're still just making speculative jumps about "connections" between people or entities at every turn to force the grand pedophile round peg into the murder square hole.
There's no motive, no means, and the opportunity is what, dad was in the house? Come on man, at least try to have a reasonable theory.
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>>42241661
>donald Trump insult
I don’t care about your pedo president
He pimped his daughter out to satanic Lockheed executives and the motive is massive amounts of money he was given during that time
That’s pretty obvious to all of us but thank you for having me spell it out. I bet your bosses hate the job you’re doing trying to discredit. Wouldn’t it be better for them if you didn’t engage?
Keep posting memes from the 90’s because it gives your glowing ass away
What’s your theory on who dun it?
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>>42241618
I went to sleep and came back to replies like anyone else. That’s how threads work.
Even if PR played a role, that doesn’t account for over 30 years of recurring coverage of this one girl.
Even if PR played a role early on, that only explains the initial media attention. It doesn’t explain why the case is still being recycled into mainstream coverage 30 years later.
PR campaigns don’t sustain themselves for decades across multiple outlets, networks, and generations of media.
This case gets an odd sustained focus and spotlight unlike any other
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>>42241695
> PR campaigns don’t sustain themselves for decades across multiple outlets, networks, and generations of media.
It does with enough money and influence
How did access graphics make $1 billion dollars in 1996?
Why do you find the coverage odd and I find it not enough? Why does a murder case of an innocent little girl seem like too much to you?
I find your constant questioning of media coverage odd? How many replies have you made trying to distract and discredit people who are only asking questions?
Are you this anon too?
>>42240301
>Lmao little girls are worthless
If you find other cases deserving of the same attention why aren’t you posting about them? Everything about your stance is sus as fuck. I would literally be embarrassed to write what you have. I’m praying for you guys who feel the need to shit on her memory. I’m praying for you and I’m not even religious.
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>>42239743
It's more about the cover up of a "ring", from at least as far up as district attorney level, glaring through the cracks in the narrative, not so much that someone was murdered. The McCann case has a similar grim underbelly with powerful people's names turning up when you scratch the surface, hence why that and also gets discussed more than your average open and shut robbery gone wrong or whatever.
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>>42241712
>it does with enough money and influence
Then there should be several other instances similar to JBR.
There should be other multi-decade campaigns such as this. If it’s just money and influence, then where are the other cases being sustained like this for decades?
Most cases fade. This one doesn’t. That’s the difference I’m pointing out
It is very strange now that I am an age to see that no other child’s murder ever has been covered like this to this scale, to this length of time.
I was a kid when this story came out and every year it comes back to this.
And every year it only comes back to this
I’m sick of it.
It won’t be solved
It will keep popping endlessly through our entire lives up because ???
We are well over the 22 year period to make mockery of it now.
If that’s the only way this news finally ends, I hope the power of AI is put to good use.
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>>42241760
Exactly. Pedo rings, cults, upper-class communities hiding fucked up secrets, government/authority cover ups, officially unsolved, the weirdest fucking guy ever claiming responsibility with an active schizo blog that keeps referencing it, It has everything for a good /x/ conspiracy discussion.
Maybe you could just click a different thread rather than visiting a thread specifically about it and having a tantrum about how much you don't care about it? That seems like a silly thing for somebody to do.
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>>42241846
How much closer are you after 3 fucking decades?
The story is tossed at you and then you scramble at nothing aimlessly.
What is just as suspicious is how often this one child keeps returning to social consciousness. Talking on a wicket basket forum sure, but it still remains mainstream news without any tinfoil.
What started the attention is one question.
What keeps it going for 30 years is another.
Why is this girl constantly presented to the public and whatever this seeds is now a bigger question to tinfoil than the who done it and the what happened.
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>>42241866
I've only heard about it from /x/ threads and very sparse odd joking references. Either your algorithm is feeding it to you in particular, or you spend too much time trawling /x/ threads about something you don't want to trawl threads about for some reason. It seems very, very easy to avoid for pretty much anyone is what i'm saying. You can simply choose to join almost everyone on earth in barely ever hearing about it if at all by closing the thread.
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>>42239218
>it’s strange people care about a little girl’s murder so much
You sound like Gavin Newsome when AIPAC gets brought up.
What’s your theory on why she still gets brought up, Gavin?
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Why does this autistic Anon keep asking the same question over and over? Is he just mad there's not another "Nobody General" to waste space?
Either Anon is super retarded or he's a pedophile himself and seething that normal people care about justice
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>>42241674
Speaking of Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_boy_scandal
>Prolific abuse coverup from a longtime family that's very close to Trump.
>Linda McMahon is the secretary of education.
Time is a flat circle.
>>42241430
>Christopher Brian Busch
>Son of General Motors Executive
>Suspect in the Oakland Child Killing Case
>Found dead in bedroom with bloody ligatures and a single 22 shot to the head. Ruled a suicide.
>No gunpowder residue on hands.
>Picture of one of the victims boys screaming on your wall.
Heavy industry and deep crime correlate.
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From last thread
Generational cult family. Look up her grandfather's Masonic tombstone. Grandfather James Dudley Ramsey, Director of the Michigan Aeronautics Commission approved the airstrip on North Fox Island (pedo ring connection). Mormon connection as well. Also there are tons of programmed satanists at Lockheed Martin.
She was accidentally killed during a ritual/mind control programming (MKULTRA/MONARCH torture) session with a stun gun. Electroshock is how mind control slaves are programmed.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1997-dec-20-mn-1148-story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1997/12/21/stun-gun-us ed-in-ramsey-killing-lawyer-says/3e 6cda1f-0f56-4344-97f1-0560846c25b0/
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>>42242424
Yes fuck Trump. The Democrats that want to fill kids with hormone blockers and lop off their sex organs are the true non pedo heroes that are totally not funded and controlled by satanic pedophiles as well.
I implore you to vote blue this midterm and future presidential election. Whatever you do, DO NOT drop out of society. Keep voting! It's the only way to fix things!
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>>42243410
Nowhere in that post did I condone the Democrat party and their faggotry. Ditch the partisan kayfabe bullshit. The fact of the matter is that both wings are compromised and we live in a plutocracy. The farther up the Good Ol Boy network you go, the more kompromat is required.
Confronting these issues and exposing them requires going beyond ideology and party lines.
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>>42239092
Well her mom definitely wrote that letter. She didn't even change her handwriting or mannerisms. If she didn't write the letter, that would be really weird, because it would mean that someone was imitating her.
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>>42240725
>If it was that frequent you would immediately know and type
That's just not true. His name is Chris Watts. There, I'm saying it just so you know that people know the guys name. But there's no rule that everyone would type his name if they knew it. Some people just don't want to. There's a campaign against saying the actual names of killers like that, albeit a small one.
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>>42244645
Mom was clearly in on it. Her birthday was right after and they took a trip immediately after. She probably sold her daughter for the money too. Also being a beauty queen herself she probably knew the game
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>>42239994
>If this group of clearance-havers and defense contractor execs is behind it what was the motive for her murder?
At some point, when you are deep enough, trust and a clean background are not enough to ensure silence. They ask you to do increasingly horrible things to ensure your loyalty and silence. The idea is to remove your connection to humanity and to place your mind into a state where empathy does not exist and you will simply comply. If you can kill your own child when they ask you to do it, you will follow any orders they give you. It's broadcast in the media so people behind the scenes are reminded of what they could be asked to do. It's also a fucked up inside joke, much like Hunter Biden's finger lakes tattoo.
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>>42239092
>John Ramsey's oldest daughter, Elizabeth "Beth" Pasch Ramsey, died at age 22 in a car accident on January 8, 1992, in Burr Ridge, Illinois. She was killed alongside her boyfriend, Matthew Derrington, when their car lost control on a wet highway and was struck by a truck.
What. The. Fuck.
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Pretty nuts
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