irrefutable =/= true
there's an invisible flying spaghetti monster that controls fate, all our actions, and created us just so we could invent new spaghetti recepies. boom, my irrefutable theory of everything!

>>42250110
I read your entire post and consider it to be nothing more than pseudointeellectual drivel from an uneducated and likely teenage mind. Therefore it is not "logically and rationally invincible."

>>42250117
I think we may never have a "theory of everything". There are only models and frameworks of thinking that can provide a path to desire experiences, some more flexible and useful than others, but the thing encapsulating "everything" comes before any theory at all and it cannot be thought about, only pointed at, "sensed" and acknowledged. Any style of subjectivism is basically just different ways to use the truth.

>>42250120
>solipsism is real
>:|
>non duality is real
>:O
reddit coded post

>>42250124
My exact same thoughts. It may be as well different names for the exact same conclusion, so what causes this?

I think both non duality and solipsism are false, because no matter what superultra meditative state you enter, if I stab you in the guts, you will be stabbed in the guts and die, and you'll probs feel it too

>>42250129
That is not what I meant. You're even more gay.

>>42250135
Oh for fuck sake, not you again.
>>42250133
Which is why is discussed on the internet because if we relied on zogbots like you it won't be explored and extrapolated on discussion at all, kicking a stone is not refutation, etc. I can say
>I think materialism is false because no matter how what superultra skepticism you're onto, if i gangstalk you enough, and feed you and convince you of ideas that are not your own that lead you to the conclusions i want you to have and eventual suicide, of what use did that rationalism served you in the end
And so on.

>>42250141
that quote doesn't even make sense. it's just a show of how you can exploit rationalism, not a refutation of materialism.
my example showed that if you are truly the only conscious agent, a 'zen master' in control of his own view on reality, you won't be able to change me stabbing you, you won't be able to unexist me before I do it, and you can't show me anyone who ever has. why would a consciousness who has learnt everything pain has to offer take away, want to feel pain again?

if you really wanna blow yourself that bad, take up yoga.

>>42250147
>my example showed that if you are truly the only conscious agent, a 'zen master' in control of his own view on reality, you won't be able to change me stabbing you, you won't be able to unexist me before I do it
This implies an already existing situation where you experience stabbing people to prove them "wrong" which can perfectly happen inside nonduality or solipsism (and not, the parody of those philosophies are not what i mean, they can design their lives to not face those situations in the first place, or still self defend, i don't know where this "nondualist"=="he will let me rape him in the ass however i please" comes from). It doesn't refute anything about the core points of those philosophies, for example, reality being undivided whole from the experiencer, and how we constantly interact with immaterial aspects of the experience to use them in some capacity (thoughts, ideas, etc).
>and you can't show me anyone who ever has
And that's also can happen inside of that framework. As is you confirming what you already know and the way you percieve things follows your own reasoning which comes from the perspective you have adopted so far. For everything you can know, people around you could be all nondualist/solipsist and you just won't know it or find out about it, as metaphysical ideas are things adopted inside, which you never actually know about "other people", in fact, you never know what's going on inside other people heads concretely, only how you conceive of them around your own understanding to predict their behaviour, and still, it could be a lie.

>>42250124
I didn't say anything about non duality. You have utterly failed to convince me you have anything meaningful to say whatsoever.

Most psychedelics and deep meditation will show you that solipsism is absolutely true.

>>42250124
>life is a dream
>WOOOW SO BEAUTIFUL AND TRUE WE ARE ALL ONE XDDDD
>and other people are not real
>NOOOOOO I CAN'T BELIEVE IT FUCK OFF INCEL

>>42250928
i can assure you,while you are writhing on the ground or whatever, the rest of us are moving through the day just fine.

>>42250129
People think it's different because the "enlightened masters" will sweep the problem under the rug by saying no-self bullshit like "you don't have consciousness, and there is no such thing as a 'you'".

>>42250110
>words themselves alter your very perception of reality, even listening to what I have typed has altered your perspective and how you see reality.
It is so very funny that so-called solipsist always end up betrayed by their own thoughts that they don't believe in solipsism.

>>42250110
>words themselves alter your very perception of reality, even listening to what I have typed has altered your perspective and how you see reality.
It is so very funny that so-called solipsist always end up betrayed by their own thoughts that they don't believe in solipsism.
>inb4 the person who thinks no one else exists argues to convince nonexistent persons

>>42250110
You're a retarded lying tranny. The idea that the world is "a reflection" of me has to be one of your most delusional lies when you do everything you can to demonstrate that's the opposite of the truth you retarded tranny, you do everything you can to impose your completely disgusting beliefs on me that are in fundamental opposition with anything that I ever believed and you tell the most retarded lies imaginable to try to justify it, projecting your retarded disgusting delusions upon me that have nothing to do with my own beliefs whatsoever, you're a literal disgusting faggot and a retarded tranny, you are so stupid and disgusting


Reality is absolutely not "an extension" of me whatsoever retard, it contradicts my "perspective" and imposes its retarded tranny delusions upon me about literally everything, it is so far fro my character, consciousness, beliefs, perspective, intent, etc that you would have to be a literal retard to even try to say that its part of me. This world does not reflect my consciousness whatsoever it is entirely controlled by something that is completely and totally different from and worse than me in every conceivable way.

>>42250110
>Solipsism is logistically and rationally invincible
It ain't. Let me show you
>The only thing for sure that is absolute is consciousness
So you know that, for sure, that means that you also know that solipsism is true, for sure.
Therefore two things are true. It's not rational, it's a paradox. It's also not logical since you didn't come up with it while being the only conscious being.

>>42250110
>The only thing for sure that is absolute is consciousness
Anything you can test can be known for sure because its verifiable, for example I know for sure that my mind doesn't control my reality because I can test and verify it, all I have to do is try to mentally control my reality and since reality doesn't bend to my will I know for sure that my mind doesn't control my reality.

I have proof against solipsism

>>42251562
Weakling midwit.
Think of what your reality is. Since you see it from the ego, understand that it's not reality you see but your interpretation of it. Those feelings you get are a reaction from past learned behaviours in front of those stimuli. Understanding that process, unlearning those behaviours to make room for more accomodating ones and you'll gain control over your reality.
So while you won't levitate or turn lead into gold. You can always make yourself believe that lead has as much value as gold.

>Solipsism is le true!
Ok why are you telling yourself that then

>>42251705
At some point after a few hundred of these threads people will wake up and realize what I said in the very very first one.
Solipsism is unproveable, and a dead end.
There is nothing interesting to discuss here.

>>42251799
there is everything to discuss. solipsism is GOD

because GOD is all existence (non-existence is unproveable)
this is consciousness, it is how i understand that concept.
we have something aware of us, always watching us, you and me.
you can say you are aware. or that you know.
but it sounds more correct to say that it feels like there is something which is aware of you, or that you know. if its not you, then who/what is it?
i need answers

>>42251799
what are you doing here. you are derailing the thread. if it dies, let it die.
if you have something interesting go make a post or start a youtube channel

Just see the type of mind that thinks there is something interesting here.
They dont even know what the concept is, and they make up something completely different because no one with any imagination could ever make up solipsism.

>>42250936
Cute. People in my dreams tell me the same thing.

Solipsism might be true but its irrelevant to the you reading this if it is.

Its like is you're toe nail you? Its apart of your body. Its still there even if you're not consciously growing it. And if you part your body there's surely some other aspect you're unaware of. Like subconscious, it seems important but the entire premise of it is that its not something you are always aware of. Your existence is connected to do many other parts and pieces that make the entire picture of total existence, even if you aren't quite aware of or in control of them.

So in the end the you reading this is just a toe nail probably. A tiny itty bitty part of the "total solipsist you". This total you IS everyone, but the you reading this right now is not. Perhaps one day we can learn and expand our awareness beyond what we are now and become this total us. Or perhaps we can simple direct it to do stuff for us without us being it. Either way this "total you" is just so huge and foreign to our current frame of existence that it barely changes our life in any way right now. We're all "part of the same one" but there's probably billions upon billions of layers to reach that final top one that its barely matters.

>>42251688
If there's more than my own ego then solipsism isn't real retard. You're literally acknowledging that my reality is controlled by something separate from me but trying to say that because delusions can exist that means actually there's no external force. Your argument is so stupid. You're literally acknowledging that there is something separate from me controlling my reality and just saying "delude yourself into believing things are different than they are!!". Your argument is basically "your mind exists therefore the world isn't real". It's a retarded argument. My mind gets raped by the tranny God and I get abused materially for my thoughts in my mind, this world is literally hell and its entirely controlled by something separate from me and hostile to me.

>>42250117
that theory never debunks solipsism. it could be true, or could not be true, solipsism stands strong in both cases. What if we are controlled by a flying spaghetti monster? Can the flying spaghetti monster know if he's not controlled by a Spider demigod that likes to play the violin and bark at strangers from another galaxy????

>>42252422
>that theory never debunks solipsism.
There's nothing to debunk. Solipsism isnt an argument, it's an acknowledgment of the limit of epistemology.

>>42251799
There's everything to discuss about Solipsism, and any other Absolute Subjectivism. They are quite pre-required in order to really dive on /x/ topics in general, specially when it comes to metaphysical phenomenons. Is only boring if you think that is not something you can practice or explore, but this holds true for virtually everything and any topic at all.
>>42251966
Because Solipsism, as well as any other metaphysical instance, is what underlies imagination, and is not something "came up with", is a term coined to a direct observation.
>>42251705
This makes no fucking sense. Why do anything at all? No matter what your beliefs are, why do anything about it? Maybe to discuss it, perhaps?

>>42251495
>Therefore two things are true. It's not rational, it's a paradox.
Not really, that implies that truth is a linear parallel, when is layered. Is about truths greater than others. Saying that H20 is both Water and Ice, and yet stating that Water is not Ice is an observable fact. Although, if that's the case, i would be inclined to go beyond Solipsisim even.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acosmism