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If there is a God that knows everything you will ever do, then your path is predetermined and you have no free will

If the Many Worlds theory is true, the likelihood this reality is the original is mathematically impossible meaning that we exist in a reality where any given outcome or decision is dictated by a different reality instead of our own. This means we have no free will.

Quantum computing is advancing to the point it can break down most probably outcomes. If it continues, it will be able to effectively plot your next move in any given scenario, meaning free will doesn't exist.

No matter how you look at it, free will doesn't exist, however, the concept of free will is paramount for most of humanity's institutions.

Is Free Will real?
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(You) and I experience Free Will.

Whether our experience is “real” is a hard question that I do not know the answer to.
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If there is a God with limitless potential then they can grant free will despite any constraints we can perceive.

No matter how you look at it, free will can't exist *except* through God.
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God is omniscient, meaning all knowing.
If the future hasn't happened yet, he doesn't have to know what you will do next week to know everything because next week isn't a thing in the current reality.

To be omniscient he must know exactly what it is to be you though without also knowing what it is to be himself.

Which means each and every one of us is God experiencing things and if we have a new cool thought God simultaneously experiences having that cool that plus every other thought on earth.

And that is why we exist and why time exists. That's my game theory anyway.
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Following Kant's postulation of existence being derived from the so-called "noumena", that is, that which is but cannot be perceived, and our lives being merely an abstraction of the noumena being filtered into phenomena which we can perceive, then it is a fundamentally foolish question to ask, because it is irrelevant.

If there is an existence out there that simply is, but we cannot perceive it, yet we perceive free will anyways, though it may be true or not, then that is all that matters. Because trying to understand the noumena through phenomena is an impossible task. It would be asking Sissyphus to reach the top of the mountain. It cannot be done.
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>>42253428
Based Kantposter.
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dont try to think, at all. exit the thinking process entirely. try to read scriptures old enough and from people who believed in real religions or in god at least. and learn from those. then you can try to fantasize about reality for fun but thinking can never lead to truth, only actual inspiration by god can.
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>>42253390
Unconcious mind does decisions before your concious mind knows about the result. We have no free will.
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Free will exists because otherwise you wouldn't be able to ask such absolutely useless questions.
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>>42253390
free will only exists for people with precognition otherwise everything is on rails. the only way to make a choice is if you know you made a different choice in previous/alternate world and know it's consequences
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>>42253390

how do you know that's not the vatican being dicks because its a conspiracy they said that about god

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>>42253936
Yes you would retard
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>>42253390
Nope.
All will has costs.

Free will is only exercised by one.
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>>42253390
You can only be "free" when you realize that it doesn't matter.
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Image based gangstalking.
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>>42253390
Your augment is based on three false scenarios.
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>>42253390
What's weird is in samadhi the body acts and speaks on its own automatically without effort, thought, lack or dullness. It does make you wonder if that's always the case but veiled.
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>>42255154
Current testing reveals humans act before making the decision to do so and the brain rationalizes the reason for the action after the fact. So immediate action with zero rational input would indicate free will is, at best, not involved with impulse decisions and immediate reactions. The worse implication is that everything is basically a series of impulse decisions strung together and it would mean nobody really has control over anything they do making free will totally non-existent.
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there is free will because we are a part of the universe
also, there are no universal laws governing reality
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>>42255453
Some of us have more free will than others and nobody has that much. Christians, libertarians and other low life forms believe in absolute free will. Funny thing is christians and libertarians have pretty much no free will.
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>FreeWill
Did you choose your…
Eye color
Skin color
Hair color
Height

Or not.
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>>42253390
Yeah. If those things were true, then that would be the case.

But it hasn't been proven true in the first place. So the question is still up in the air depending on what you presuppose the truth is.
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>>42255442
Good thing that's current testing with current reasoning. There is still much for us to learn about how the human brain works in its totality, and that includes answering the hard problem of consciousness as well. Don't get so presumptuous about free will and how the brain works operates when there is still much for us to discover and understand about our own consciousness. Nothing is completely conclusive yet. Whether free will or determinism explains our thoughts and actions, we still don't know for sure either way. Especially when we don't fully understand how our own minds work in reality. That's what makes our existence seem paranormal at times.
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>>42256270
>Whether free will or determinism explains our thoughts and actions, we still don't know for sure either way.
What if it's all jewish will

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