If it was all the greatest fighters of that time a hobbyist that practices 3x a week today would still beat them all

Nobody knew how to fight until 2015

>>261356
>2015
Have you ever heard of St-Pierre? Or Silva? Or Fedor?
Most retarded take of all time

It'd probably be a wrestler. boxers and strikers would probably lose due to the lack of space.

>>261360
They had that dog in them, but their skills were rudimentary by today's standards

Think about how mind blowing revolutionary it was that GSP would use striking to set up wrestling
He actually changed the game by doing some basic shit like they

Raiden would win, obviously.

>>261356
>ignoring athleticism

lol a hobbyist will gas running a couple miles someone like karelin would rape them without even knowing martial arts at all

>>261356
>Nobody knew how to fight until 2015
Does Pride FC, Pancrase or Shooto not fucking exist for you?
I can understand someone saying that until the 2000s there weren't any real competent fighters. But I can't understand arguing that until 2015 there weren't any real fighters. Seriously what the fuck kind of bullshit argument is this?

>>261704
This is what the "masters" of the previous generation look like on the mat
Their skill are rudimentary and comically bad, a 2x blue belt is better than this

https://youtube.com/shorts/lWQmC3NdKCo?si=xlXgweqfKODzWA9C

>>261705
First of all, I don't see what the fuck this has to do with my point, especially when I cited shit like Pride FC or Shooto. This is some old geriatric BJJ guy, I presume some old Gracie fart, but it's a common fact that the Gracies were jobbers that falsified their records. That's why someone like Kimura or Sakuraba made short work of them. This is a common fact, only BJJ guys and UFC fans worship BJJ.
Secondly, no shit. They are old men now. That's like someone saying no one knew how to fight until Tyson Fury because Mike Tyson now fights like a geriatric.

>>261706
Those guys are the same generation you're talking about from pride
Dudes from pride are in their 60s now

Back in those days everyone was equally bad at fighting so they looked impressive

It would've been interesting to see Erik Paulson fight in UFC 1, since he had already fought in Shooto beforehand. He wanted to, but the Gracies (who he was training with at the time) didn't want him doing it. So he was just in Royce's corner instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FD99xVcibw
fight starts at 8:11

>>261711
That fight was after UFC 1, here's the 1993 one from before it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLbwAzPOaAM
15:30

>>261710
>Those guys are the same generation you're talking about from pride
They didn't participate in Pride, did they? Or are you saying those are old retired Pride champions? Cause I don't see Cro Cop nor Don Frye nor Sakuraba in these fucking clips.
Also even if you were correct and these were some peak fucking athletes who secretly dominated the hidden tournament in my 90s, again see again my point of "just because Mike Tyson now fights like a geriatric now does not mean he was never a good fighter" you fucking idiot. But even then, they aren't, these are some random old dudes, unless one of these is a Gracie, but again, they've all been fraud checked in Pride by Sakuraba.
Also what part of most BJJ practitioners being frauds do you not understand? Hell, the UFC is awful now because it's dominated by BJJfaggots and shitty mediocre Kickboxers, the latter of whom would easily be mogged by Andy Hug if he were still alive, or even Nicholas Pettas.
>Back in those days everyone was equally bad at fighting so they looked impressive
Your proof is...a bunch of old BJJ geriatric practitioners? (With no context as to whether or not they are actual veterans or just a bunch of old dudes that started recently)
Jesus christ, no wonder the stereotype of modern UFC fans being braindead still rings fucking true.

Jon Jones
>>261726
>the UFC is dominated by frauds and shitty fighters
ebin. how are they dominating if they dont know how to fight?

>>261711
He's a big fat phoney just like all the rest

https://youtube.com/shorts/wq2-tRa61qk?si=Hm53LcbucUtbvBkk

>>261870
>ebin. how are they dominating if they dont know how to fight?
First of all, nice misquote of what I said. You know what I said was more nuanced than that.
Secondly, the problem is Dana White's low payments and the UFC's low standards.
Look at Rizin, Pride or even Kickboxing places like ONE or K-1. They all have professional well-paid fighters, most of which are diverse in their styles and systems as well.
Dana White pays his fighters peanuts, as such desperate tattooed low-income men who speedrun their skills get in to get some sort of quick buck. Sure there's a few great fighters here and there. But the majority of fighters that get into the UFC nowadays are just very meh.
This should be obvious to anyone who actually watches shit other than the UFC.