>>261456 Horse's best chance at a yusho as yokozuna, pity that Zak and Kirishima seem to be back on form and whatever spells Abi is casting seem to be working.
>>261482 >Hoshoryu fucks up somehow >Zak is gonna zak to an 8-7 >Kirishima proves why hes always gonna be an ozeki not a yokozuna >Atamin does well but only a 10-5 to kick off his ozeki run >Kotoshoho completely crumbles >WTK barely scrapes few wins with his injury >Takayasu is cursed >Ichiyamamoto wins all his coinflip matchups and a 1 or 2 losing ones ITS HIS TIME
>>261485 JWags thinks Kotoshoho has an Ozeki run in him. I've never heard anything more ridiculous in my life.
>Never had a KK in the joi >Before March his highest KK was M5w and it happened 4 basho before Hakuho won his 45th yusho it was that long ago >His 11-4 in March contained two fusen, the first from Onokatsu and the second from Dan's broken toe
I'm going to enjoy watching Kotoshoho suffer. What a shame we won't get to see a relatively fit Kotozakura bully him in the ring.
>gets injury where all the muscles from the shoulder rip away from the collar bone, an injury that DEMANDS surgery and a lengthy healing process to repair at all, let alone with issues >master, who had to retire due to a similar injury convinces him to keep fighting on it >hakkaku(who has zero impressive students in his own stable) says the yokozuna are a joke and that nobody is training hard enough >onosato tries anyway, does admirably for a man with a shoulder like a ripped canvas sack >hakkaku continues insisting that it's a fucking joke >in training Onosato can't even beat juniors and they relent and let him go to the hospital >it's really fucking bad >kisenosato at last admits, "we're considering surgery, this won't heal in just one or two basho" I do not feel it was Onosato who is a disgrace but either his master or hakkaku, perhaps both.
>>261512 Hakkaku being a tremendous cake eating la-la homo man has been a known thing for a while now. His support of Fujinokawa's recklessness is probably the reason for his current "injury".
>>261513 I'm so fucking pissed his insistence might've been what destroyed Onosato. His career, from everything I've been able to find in sports medicine might genuinely be over and watching his meteoric rise was some of my favorite time watching sumo, I am so gutted. I knew hakakku was retarded but he'd never as far as I paid attention been the cause for someone's direct downfall like this. Maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention.
The most infuriating part of this is how Hakkaku's own stable is so fucking low tier. Like nigga, if Isegahama had said this shit he might've had a point because of his 7-8 sekitori, but holy shit by the numbers Hakkaku is such a shit stablemaster, his entire authority comes from his rank and not his actual ability.
>>261517 to be fair nishonoseki was basically gifted a mountainous powerhouse, other than Onosato and Shirokuma(kinda') is anyone else noteworthy in there?
>>261521 Mainly the parts where he assumes direct cause and effect based on statements made to the media. I don't care for people posting their opinions on how or why things happened the way they did as if they are speaking absolute fact from a position of greater insight. It's been shown many people will take shit like this at face value, example Chris Sumo's older videos where he speaks as if he knew wrestler's inner thoughts. Further assuming the extent of the injury and it's progression. As well as Onosato's own feelings and decisions towards it and the extent to which he took outside opinion and direction. For better or worse it's been shown that many decisions in each stable are left up to the wrestler to handle themselves at all levels of sumo. I want to clarify I don't see Onosato, Kisenosato, or Hakkaku as a disgrace in this situation. Hakkaku shit talks, that's just what he does, this doesn't have direct consequences.
>>261522 >For better or worse it's been shown that many decisions in each stable are left up to the wrestler to handle themselves at all levels of sumo.
I don't see how you can say this when they are pressured every time by their elders in public spaces. I can't even imagine what it's like behind the curtains. Even if the decision is eventually up to the wrestler, they still live and are influenced by this system where everyone is expected to fight through,
>Hakkaku shit talks, that's just what he does, this doesn't have direct consequences.
You say this like he is just some bloke who is a fan of sumo, but in fact he is the top guy. His comments represent the whole JSA and the sport. His leadership is a direct cause of the career decline of the most promising rikishi. There could be a world where the sumo elders treat injuries like real problems with real solutions, instead of treating them like some fault of the psyche, where the rikishi is "just not working hard enough".
>>261526 Look, I understand you hate Hakkaku, and I agree that I would prefer for "sumo" as a whole to treat injuries differently. I'm not disagreeing that sumo elders have influence on those below them. But again, you act like his comments have a direct and provable outcome on a wrestler's decisions, which is insane.
It's entirely possible Onosato himself felt surgery wasn't necessary at an earlier point. We however don't know.
>>261528 No I don't hate Hakkaku, he is also a victim of the same system. His career also ended the same way. But I do wish he would try to make systematic improvements, instead of furthering the problem, especially in an era where sumo is making a resurgence.
>But again, you act like his comments have a direct and provable outcome on a wrestler's decisions, which is insane.
>>261528 >But again, you act like his comments have a direct and provable outcome on a wrestler's decisions, which is insane. the guy is basically like everyone's boss, there's a very clear power dynamic here that happens in literally any career and I believe it's a little lame to suggest just because Hakkaku didn't personally directly ask these guys to be reckless doesn't mean there wasn't any influence.
but I'm not gonna blame Hakkaku personally. These shoulder ligament injuries are a hell of a thing and even if they had done everything in the world it could have already ended Onosato's career regardless. >It's entirely possible Onosato himself felt surgery wasn't necessary at an earlier point. and really, a lot of this has a lot to do with the medical assessment of the injury. You take professionals at their word and sometimes they are wrong. Everyone involved must've been given the impression it wasn't so serious or torn, that it would get better with rest and PT. My own mother went through something bizarrely similar, for like 6 years different ortho told her that her shoulder wasn't so serious, just giving her regular cortisone shots. only like the 4th ortho actually had her get an MRI and they saw that same ligament was ripped to shreds. Except Onosato isn't a woman in her 60s. He's an absolute beast of an athlete in his prime, constantly exerting himself to the limits. He's a fucking national hero Japan born Yokozuna and they knew EXACTLY when he got injured. So why are they half-assing his diagnostics? Why are they just now talking about surgery? I feel like if you're such a high risk for a tear like this they should be taking a closer look.
>His leadership is a direct cause of the career decline of the most promising rikishi. >but I'm not gonna blame Hakkaku personally Will you give it a rest, you blithering idiot?
>>261543 >His leadership is a direct cause of the career decline of the most promising rikishi. I never said this you schizo I'm just some other guy throwing in my two cents shit I forgot /xs/ sumo threads were full of people like this
>>261548 she had her surgery and physical therapy a couple years ago now, the recover was pretty long. honestly I think the prognosis is pretty grim for Onosato if he really has a problem like this.
>>261537 >>261535 It's weird that people don't realize that there are shitheads like hokuseiho gluing wallets shut and slamming guys nuts with a stick every day out there at the beya. The only reason this became an issue is because based Hakkaku wanted to get rid of reddits yokozuna so he could save sumo.
The US Sumo Open stream is the most embarassng shtshow I've ever seen somebody needs to take this announcer out back and put him down holy shit you are not joe rogan especially if you let crowd hecklers interupt your announcing wtf
as i am coming here to kvetch it seems like they literally ripped the mic out of his hand and gave it to the other guy finally but holy shit i knew it would be a total clown show but i did not expect it to be this bad
i hope there is a vod so i can clip some of the really bad cringe he would outputting for a bit there
>>261682 Ok I get the current triple scores showing fusen loses, I get the 4 number scores showing draws in the old rules. What the FUCK is the 5th number supposed to mean.
>>261927 I believe it's to indicate the types of draws. There were multiple. I don't know how to tell the difference between them on the score. Check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_sumo_terms and do a ctrl+f for "draw"
I'm new to sumo and new to /xs/. I didn't even realize this board existed until moments ago. What are the essential memes I need to be aware of for this board and for /sumo/?
>>262167 Every basho is a clown basho Every basho is cursed Every basho is blessed Sumo is nothing but clownery and the eternal battle between "demons" who are actually angels and "angels" who are actually demons And I love it
>>262167 >>262169 It's a clown basho through and through. As much as I like Ura, if he is in the day 15 yusho deciding match WITH a chance to potentially win it, that's indisputably a clown basho. They brought out the sanyaku and it was 3 fucking guys cmon man.
>>261927 >>261945 "a" is for azukari, which is when the bouts were too close to call before they introduced torinaoshi. "d" is for when both wrestlers are unable to continue, either due to exhaustion or injury, before they introduced a mandatory break if the bout has gone on too long. I'm assuming "o" is just sumodb's internal term for "other" since the only examples are from the feudal periods. There was also a specific term for when both wrestlers were absent for the same bout, but this is listed as a normal absence for both.
>>262197 I mean, he needs like 12 wins to get 32 even. So very unlikely unless the sanyaku decide to take a vacation again. If he can get 10-11, he has a decent chance in September
The YDC has spoken: (regarding Kirishima) "Next tournament, a high-level championship will be required of him. It won't be easy and it will certainly be strict, but he must deliver results no matter who the opponent is. Both his final record and the overall quality of his bouts will matter."
>>262203 They said the same bullshit about horse and then promoted him on the 'strength' of a weak af yusho, they'll give it to kiriSHITma on another 12 win JY because they're afraid of being accused of racism if they don't
>>262203 The YDC didn't say that. Asakayama-oyakata, currently the chief judge, is the one who said it. The YDC isn't part of the JSA. It's common for them to comment on the performances of other rikishi, but that's different from saying "this ozeki is up for promotion next tournament."
>>262205 >>262210 This basho shouldn't count imo but given that it seems set in stone now that a JY is a Y equiv, it's what we gotta live with. Although, I am glad that they are adjusting the strength needed of the Y based on the JY. So the weaker the JY, the stronger the Y has to be. And honestly, I don't even think a 13-2 with losses only to the Zunas will be enough. It's gotta be 14-1 or better imo. Too many top guys were out this basho and they have two Zunas right now.
>>262211 It's still important to note, as it sets some bar for what Kiri needs to be considered by the judges for Zuna recommendation.
So, continuing on from /sp/, I created a profile on france.tv for the upcoming jungyo and the site is indeed region locked. It also asks you to turn off adblockers. Still not sure if I'll bother setting it up directly or be at the mercy of restreamers. I'd just hate to see the stream taken down in the middle of the thing and then have to look for a new one.
>>262223 >given that it seems set in stone now that a JY is a Y equiv Not sure what you mean by this. This has been a thing since the post-Futahaguro standards were put in place. A yusho is a yusho, a jun-yusho needs to be weighed on its merits.
A 12-3 JY where the winner goes 14-1 is not the same as a 12-3 JY with a playoff loss. Yes, the lack of ozeki and yokozuna in this basho need to be taken into consideration but it's also not his fault no one around him can stay healthy.
But to erase the doubts, this is exactly why a "high-level championship" will be required, per the YDC. Most likely, that's 15-0 or 14-1. 13-2 yusho probably won't be enough in any case, unless everyone's healthy, and all the yokozuna and ozeki put in good performances, with those losses coming at the hands of previous cup winners; and even then it's iffy.
>>262258 There were 9 before him who went 7-0 in their first three basho (most recently Hokuseiho lol), he'll need to go 7-0 again in July in order to surpass Sakumayama's 6-1 from 2012 (his loss was on his final non-playoff match)
>>262260 >Despite doing well as a newcomer he soon quit the sport due to the difficulty of the sumo lifestyle and the toll the hard ring surface was taking on his body. Dan if he was a pussy
>>262255 He is the first Yokozuna to be fully corrupted by evil spirits. It's why his Dohyo-iri has been so terrible, the sumo gods are attempting to resist the mockery being performed by the dark powers within their new champion.
>>262272 Now I know what Zak Jr curse is...The spirits didn't forgive Zak Sr for wringing a future yokozuna like a rag during keiko, making him quit so they cursed his bloodline.
Still can't believe the JSA let Onosato kill Ichiyamamoto live on national television and only gave him a stern talking too. Shows how afraid they are.
Still can't believe Shirokuma is forcibly starved at Nishonoseki because Onosato refuses to share any of the stable's chanko. Even Kisenosato has been losing weight lately...
>>262283 Not as good as the Onosato kickflip. If someone would make a decent resolution version of that I'd unironically get it on the next skateboard deck I buy.
>>262290 Sometimes the intention of the saying is more important than the literal meaning. Do you think I posted a link to the advert in the hopes that it would somehow purge it further from your mind?
>>262292 I can't when I'm so worried about Wakanofuji. Will he remain in the Makushita joi at 2-0-5 from Ms3e? Will we get a playoff for sekitori between him and Asahifuji? Will Nabatame and Mita be involved? Even Kiryuko? Even Tenshoyama?
Unless a Yokozuna is healthy I'm more excited for Makushita than Makuuchi come July.
apparently Chiyotairyu became an MMA fighter and normies are going crazy over him because it's the first time they saw a rikishi fight there https://x.com/therealbuni/status/2058922352918860233
Who stood out for you this basho? For me its Takahara from Futagoyama, I know he's a high school stand out but its his first year as a pro and I thought he'd be too small, too inexperienced, and not strong enough to compete in Makushita but he held his own and KK'd. I say keep an eye on him.
>>262344 Yeah he's been decent. He showed some skill and isn't just going forward like a dummy but thinks of his moves. There was a match he could've won, but still great effort. I thought he'd get smashed at this rank, but I guess going to gym often paid out.
>>262348 It's crazy how some guys cannot gain shit even with their diet.
>>262349 I think Yamato simply hasn't commit to the weight gain. Going full bloatlord will basically define your body for the rest of your life, it's a big commitment. I can't imagine him sticking around much longer if he's this old and not a fatso.
>>262344 >FutaGAYama why won't you fags stay sequestered on your reddit sub where you belong? FutaGAYama is a trash stable with Roga (AKA Russian kOGA) who is mid at best and nobody else of note. takahomo is shit and will never be any better than that
>>262378 normally I'd agree with you but like 4 of the people who were supposed to give him losses were kyujo I guess these things happen, they clearly need to reevaluate what's going on with injuries if this many guys are gonna have to sit out.
>On May 24, 2026, the final day of the Summer Grand Sumo Tournament, it was confirmed that Yokozuna Onosato of the Nishonoseki stable will participate in the upcoming Paris exhibition tour on June 13–14. Onosato sat out the entirety of the Summer Tournament—his first full tournament absence—after submitting a medical certificate on May 8 stating he required approximately one month of treatment for a left rotator cuff injury.
>>262385 typically doesn't heal on its own very well and often requires surgery my mom had this done and the recovery was months of PT basically I would be completely unsurprised if his career is already over
more news https://www.chunichi.co.jp/article/1256535 Wakatakamoto retires >Summer place V・Wakatakakage's brother, Wakatakamoto, retires and becomes the head of young people Along with Wakamoto spring, the eldest brother of the three big siblings [Grand Sumo]
>>262385 Since they didn't describe it as a tear, even partially, and the recovery is only a month, it's probably just tendonitis and not a big deal if he doesn't go full retard, which he obviously will since he's in Kisenosato's stable. A partial tear can be handled without surgery in a few months, but might need surgery if that doesn't work. A full tear needs surgery with at least a year of recovery. Expect him to be intai by the end of next year because him and Kisenosato are both brain dead rock-headed morons who won't let injuries properly recover, meaning this will graduate from tendonitis to a tear.
>>262404 I won't disagree, but WTM looks alright for the job. He's been there for a long time and actually trying to rank up as much as he could.
Also, we have only 1 juryou promotion this time, Arashifuji. Nishikigi or Hakuyozan were spared this time, whlie Tanji got fucked I guess with 6-1 at Ms6.
Who's taking the Makushita crown in July? The smart money's on Asahifuji but no one's ever gone 28-0 in regulation before and he's got some beasts to get through. He only beat Mita because Mita didn't want to risk his tender ACL. Dude wasn't even supposed to be competing yet and he went 6-1.
Curious to see if Omori eats his chanko or if he wants to try his luck staying at his current physique. He was completely powerless against Asahifuji in their match.
>>262419 Omori didn't lose because of size (he's 120kg which is plenty). He lost because Asahifuji has spent 2-3 years training with Isegahama sekitori under the guidance of two Yokozuna. They call him the strongest rookie in history for a reason. I wanna see zabutons on his first loss.
>>262422 Asahi came in after Arashifuji juryou promotion interview and asked the reports if he can now do some shiko... it's not even a week after basho, dude's crazy.
>>262423 Tenshoyama would be the talk of the town right now in a normal world. He's had three losses so far. Two were Asahifuji, and the other was Kiryuko. Talk about debuting at a bad time lmao.
>>262227 Is there a reason as to why some of them are wearing the non-regular dark green/yellow kimonos? There's one which is bright green with white accents and one which is white with blue accents
>>262430 He could be good if he could actually move a bit. Look at Tatsunami doing some light dumbbell exercises and having half of his beya in makushita or above.
>>262426 just got back into watching beya sloppa and saw they’re all wearing yukatas now. Did the sumo association put out some kind of notice about it?
>>262447 >>262435 Awesome, thanks! Personally I cannot imagine wearing that kind of attire all the damn since I remember how much I hated wearing a kimono when I was training karate. I wonder if they actually mind it at all
Jesus, 20 intais this time around. Turns out the popularity of beyaslop means nothing for recruitment numbers. They really need to fire Hakkaku and give based Kaio the Chairman slot. Someone who isn't an uptight humourless faggot with a stick up his ass would do wonders for Ozumo.
>>262454 Yukata are designed to be light and easy to move in. They were summer casual wear before westernization. They're not thick formal kimono or martial arts keikogi (which themselves were derived from heavy firefighting clothes).
I think the number of tournaments should be reduced to four, one for each season. Six tournaments in a year is great financially and for the fans but it's ripping the bodies of the sumo wrestlers apart. In a sport where recruitment numbers are already historic low, sumo needs to retain it's established wrestlers even more so. Fewer tournaments means more time to heal up and recover.
>>262459 Sumo has had six honbasho a year since 1958. If modern wrestlers are incapable of handling the workload of rikishi more than 60 years ago then there's another problem with modern sumo not related to the number of basho.
>>262167 >Sanyaku Win Clown Basho indeed >BUT IT WASN'T ONOSATO ZENSHO YUSHO SO IT CAN ONLY BE A CLOWN BASHO Stop it nerd. Wakatakayusho has pleased the spirits. Hell, all the TMD posters should be eating good for the next wight weeks but no all you can bitch about is >Hakuho wouldn't have... shut up fag
>>262455 We can split the recruits in 3 groups (using Futagoyama rikishi as an example):
1. recruits coming from universities who have attained decent results in sumo already like Mita 2. recruits joining sumo because they were told to try it by their families, like Tsukioka or Wakamiyabi 3. recruits who ave no prospect in life and barely finish high-school like Kouga and your average NEETs who just want to eat food, like Souga.
>>262475 >Average Sanyaku weight per official weights in Hakkaku's last yusho 154kg >Average Sanyaku weight per official weights in the last basho 163kg
The former number is being bulked up hard by the existence of Konishiki, and the latter still has Atamin at 180kg when he's basically 200kg at this point.
>>262489 >>262491 It was unlikely they would've taken him even if he was the right age. Guy had zero background in ANY martial art, let alone sumo. Bloatmaxxing on homemade jewish chanko isn't a big selling point.
>>262494 Kakuryu joined at 14. Even without COVID, Yarden would've been in his early 20s at best. Training a teen from scratch is normal. Training a grown man from scratch is not worth the investment.
>>262496 Fujiryoga started training sumo since he was in 4th grade, not in his 20s like Yarden. The IDF can keep coping about age limits and covid and antisemitism. At the end of the day, Yarden simply never had the makings of a varsity rikishi.
>>262489 serving your country and protecting it from foreign enemies is based and the bushido code demands that one does it. Yarden is a samurai chad and you are a sissy wimp, thats why Yarden makes you so upset, because the good example he sets also highlights your own pathetic shortcomings
>>262492 >zero background in ANY martial art Just admit that the Japanese were worried that a guy trained only in Krav Maga would become a dai yokozuna
>>262507 >>262506 Sad but predictable. My prediction of his career was low division grinder anyway. My assessment was that he appeared to be a fat kid who just wanted to justify his fatness after the fact, rather than having any actual desire to do sumo.
>>262560 Not enough flash bulbs in the crowd anymore. Everyone's dopamine receptors are so blown up that they can't enjoy a clash between two giant men, and they don't have the attention span to learn the stories and hardships of these men.
>>262542 I like him even more now that redditors hate him for being evil and violent. >>262565 Having foreign yokozuna acting like MMA rockstar faggots was more dishonourable than some tard just being himself tbdesu.
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>>262605 Hiro used to produce good content for that channel and now he just lazily slaps together the same old slop. He could easily be replaced with AI his shit is so predictably boring