>>1023113
Deformation is literally how both skeletal animation and morph targets work so yes.

source is https://x.com/choco_ikarashi/ btw

>>1023113
I would rather change my art style, before doing something like that.

>>1023214
As you can see in >>1023119 he's making it work with multiple art styles

>>1023215
I said what I said, ok? Any an all artstyles will be discarded, if it requires warping features to THAT degree.

>>1023219
Any and all art will be discarded if it requires making

>>1023220
Huh?

Once again proves how shitty, ugly and uncanny valley anime is in 3d. It's best kept as 2D

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Personally I find that stuff to be crazy inspiring

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>>1023223
Eh, similar tricks are used in non-anime stuff

>>1023223
wrong, it just highlights how fucked up 2D anime really is

>>1023226
Wtf how do I do this?

>>1023223
You have no place here if you don't understand what's happening

>>1023214
>everything not visible by the camera has to be perfect, because...because it just does OK?!

>>1023286
Good bone positioning, good weight painting. Just about any good face rig these days will have master bones that allow you to move the eyes, nose and mouth around, create or exploit those. Look at what you need to hit your poses. Like, in that animation, notice how he squashes or elongates the irises, stuff like that. It's about being thorough.

>>1023226
tell me this rig is publicly available

>>1023436
>good this
>good that
No it took a complex network of nodes and scripts to get it to do that.

>>1023113
I feel like deformation was not needed in this instance. Curious how it would have looked normally.

>>1023464
Yeah keep telling yourself it was a complex technical thing, it's not like he shows how the pink girl rig moves in one of his tweets and it's all just normal stuff.

You can stay mediocre all your life instead of learning how to hit poses I guess.

>>1023466
The face is shaped like an anime figure, ie very flat, so without that posing you wouldn't even see the eye from the side

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>>1023470
>The face is shaped like an anime figure
So? Anime figurines look normal irl from any angle. You're right that the modeler probably made the eye very flat, but real eyes curve around the face. This can be applied to anime models too. But instead of modeling a human face correctly, he resorted to a complicated setup of rigs and shape keys. That's insane. How do you become this advanced but somehow miss human anatomy 101?

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>>1023474
Like I see this often enough and think "you don't need a shapekey, this is just normal." You can keep the right side and it will look the same from a front-view. But for some reason they keep the flat version on the left and alter it every frame to look like the right.

I mean their work is amazing so idk maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps keeping it flat makes it easier to work with morphing it for general purpose. There are certain times to make eyes slightly non-uniform to appear hand-drawn. But I just don't think it's needed for a normal side-angle like that.

>>1023474
> a complicated setup of rigs and shape keys
Again, it can all be done with a fairly intuitive bone setup

>>1023477
They touch upon this in one of the arcsys presentation but basically you won't find a fixed setup that looks great from all angles, anime faces just don't work like that in 3d. And like yeah, you can find one that'll look *reasonably good*, like working fine for the gameplay phases of a game, but this whole thing here is about making it look *amazing*

>>1023474
Anime figures look "normal", but they don't look like a 2D anime

>>1023223
local man discovers that 3d renders dont look perfectly presentable at every single possible angle

>>1023113
All fun and games spending weeks, months, years getting perfect face topology and then you have to rig the damn thing. All 55 muscles.

>>1023223
3D rendered anime is the future, we've been getting better and better at it every year.

>>1024069
Modeling face miscles for anime would be tremendously missing the point

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>>1024071
Topology is topology.

>>1024072
Eh, with anime you can go with the arcsys option of having just the one fan around the mouth or with the smirk/pixar option of having the mouth be a completely disconnected mesh from the face.

>>1023113
>Use 3D software
>try to imitate 2D medium
>2D artists draw veneer of 3D
>try to morph 2D presenting mesh to give illusion of 3D
>in a 3D program

You have two options OP

learn how to make an actual eyelid for an eyeball (somewhat math intensive)
or learn vector math (considerably math intensive)

>>1025570
>(somewhat math intensive)
And by that he means "slap a shrinkwrap constraint on it"

>>1025583
No, if you want the eyelids to properly extend, the eyelids need to have evenly spaced loops, and then bones to tell vertices where to be along the arc of the circle. Most all youtube videos on this are "hurr durr make eyelids so thick that no one can tell", which desu can work, but prone to errors later and causes problems when other facial muscles are involved. If you have a bendy bone connected to the top of the eyelid (where it meets the eyebrow ridge), and the top of the eyelid ledge, it will pull the loop perfectly in a unit tangent arc. Do this with each of the loop segments and it will draw a perfect sphere over the eyeball.

You don't necessarily need to know what a "unit tangent", you just need to be somewhat aware that there's math under the hood and that math is why the mesh is breaking. I don't know how many meshes and base models I've downloaded where the gooner creator did a Mexican roof job and hoped no one would notice his model is held together by spit and glue.

Also, what you posted doesn't really solve the problem in the OP. What they really want is something that calculates the angle difference between where the eyeballs are pointing, and the camera, and squeeze the pupil/iris, but that's what a 3D engine already does with a camera with perspective which is why trying 2D is a bit silly

>>1025570
No you just make a shapekey lol

>>1025587
>What they really want is something that calculates the angle difference between where the eyeballs are pointing, and the camera, and squeeze the pupil/iris
Lol no, OP's animation is just classical hand keying of bones, that's Choko_Ikarashi's whole thing.