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>Get criticism for having fanservice in your series
>Make an entire chapter/episode calling them homosexuals and how fanservice is good
What level of based is Ohkubo on?
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>>286415315
How about you translate some of that "lewdness" into your real life you faggot?
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>>286415315
>Make a literal "I drew you as the Basedjak and me as the Chad" manga chapter using your characters as mouthpiece responding to criticism of your succesful serialization
I cringed, it was just too obvious
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>>286417403
He made an argument absolutely nobody makes. I hate prude retards, but Twitter feminists arguments has never been "pretty women make ugly women feel bad!" vs muh sexualized minors or muh objectification. It was the equivalent of making an argument about a spelling mistake.
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You know he hit the mark with how it wound up so many people. It has cooled down since the manga dropped, so now you see more
>well maybe he had a point but he said it in a way I don't like so his point is lost
But damn, it has plenty of individuals (pointed avoidance of the word "people") jumping up and down and gnashing their teeth.
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>>286420912
It's not even hot girls considering all the "she's so cunt" or "she served" or the "get that bag girl" etc.
>>286420912
With anime it has always been about "she's underage" and "objectification". It's intellectually dishonest to pretend the "unrealistic body standards" bit has been relevant for the past 5 years (it mostly died out because "it's the same for men").
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>>286420912
Fanservice is not the same as "hot girls". There's a difference between "this character is constantly embarrassed about her exposure and is drawn uncomfortably when she loses her clothes" and "this character looks sexy".
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>>286419690
I think this is a type of shitskin cope because this brown thing was always repulsed by females his age, so he has to cope by thinking that women are jealous of younger girls getting attention when in reality they are just trying to protect them from vile freaks
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>>286421030
>no no no fanservice only means enf no one complains about anything but enf
>>286421047
>no no no fanservice only means underage no one complains about anything but underage
it's so tiring
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>>286421030
I'm glad we agree and that the discussion abotu the topic is over, not sure what else you are trying to say but I'm not interested.
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ok SEApollutants
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>>286416649
Chuds lookmaxx because they want to look hot
Girls lookmaxx because they want to look hot
Hot = Lewdness
Now go back to your cartel; taco hablante
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>>286421269
>he doesn't use an ice pack in the morning when his face is a little puffy
>he doesn't use a deep pore cleanser lotion
>he doesn't use a water-activated gel cleanser
>he doesn't use a honey almond body scrub
>he doesn't use an exfoliating gel scrub
>he doesn't use an herb mint facial mask
>he doesn't use an alcohol-free aftershave lotion
>he doesn't use a moisturizer
>he doesn't use an anti-aging eye balm
>he doesn't use a final moisturizing protective lotion
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>>286422007
Doing the whole "i'm the based chad and you're the crying basedjak" never convinces anyone that you're right, it only shows that you're seething and that the arguments had a point. If he had just ignored the haters then nobody would really care.
And for most people they weren't annoyed at Tamaki's fanservice in and of itself, they were annoyed that her entire character was just the lucky sukebe shit and that whenever it happened the action ground to a halt so it could go HEY LOOK AT THE FANSERVICE!!. People just got sick of it. Nobody really complains about the other fanservice in the show.
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>>286422032
>Doing the whole "i'm the based chad and you're the crying basedjak" never convinces anyone that you're right,
Correct
>and that the arguments had a point
Why are you doubling down without providing the slightest explanation for this nonsense? This is 80 iq herd mentality retardation.
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>>286422105
You said that reacting like a faggot proves that the opposition has a point, and then you explained that you agree with the opposition. Those are two completely separate arguments that you're desperately trying to link.
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>>286422032
Your mistake is assuming that the scene was about the FF haters and not about how repugnant radfems are in Japan: https://note.com/belllightnovel/n/n75bb5334185aS
So called strawman is on point.
Also, before those chapters we got characters ranting about societal issues in the middle of fights too (Kurono vs. his doppelganger) and no one complained about it. It's obvious those Tamaki chapters got on peoples nerves.
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>Fanservice ruins my fight scenes
Cutie Honey would give zoomers an aneurism.
>But Cutie Honey doesn't take itself seriously!
It actually does many times (like when Panter Claw killed Honey's friend in a very horrifying way and then we see Honey getting stripped against her will in the middle of combat against the ones responsible few chapters later and it's all played for laughs and titillation), and Fire Force doesn't take itself that seriously either.
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>>286422339
Got the link wrong: https://note.com/belllightnovel/n/n75bb5334185a
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>>286419577
go back to bluesky (or reddit) normalfags
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>>286416635
>You're only hating my manga because you're an ugly, old, hysteric hag!!!
>YOU ARE SILLY!!!
Nothing will beat Ohkubo, but I don't expect anything from him anymore after the absolute garbage that was soul eater Not
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>>286415315
Two tamaki threads on the catalog kek but indeed, She's a good character with hot fanservice, maybe a little cringe but the whole point of shonen is to be cringe but free. If you disagree you shouldn't be watching anime, let alone be on this board. Respect Okubo taking an explicit shot at the anti-fanservice faggots that plague this medium today
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>>286422863
Quick question, did you get the point of the whole episode? Because it was very well structured in my opinion and Tamaki character development was the perfect fit for the conclusion. I see people talking only about the scene but the entire episode was a masterclass on storytelling.
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>>286415315
It's always bad to acknowledge haters, if only for the sole reason that you could have dedicated that time and effort to your fans instead.
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>>286422901
Yes, it's about nagging Karens and a will to express his lewdness, because it's freedom and sexuality is rooted in humans. But I couldn't stop being embarrassed from the moment the crowd gathered and they started shouting at Tamaki, like in some biblical story when they started throwing rocks at Jesus.
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>>286415315
ero queen
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>>286415315
The argument that completely destroyed the anti fanservice fags.
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>>286425497
That line is a bit off. They don't assume everyone has the same opinion, they assume anyone with a different opinion is morally and ethically wrong. Although you could stretch it to cover the fact that they assume everyone else on twitter is serious and not just virtue signaling.
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>>286415315
Ya know....if Fire Force had anything resembling of controversy or if content was a frequent target in Japan and not a few twitter trannies then I can see this as Ohkubo giving a Go Nagai troll response but then I realized...Fire Force is being published in a magazine who's primary demographic is college students, that has manga with frequent sex scenes and idol pinup covers and nothing in Fire Force is an explicit as pic related, Domestic Girlfriend, everything Seo has made and even fucking Fairy Tail so the thesis of the argument (being that Tamaki is harmful for children) makes no sense because nobody let alone kids read Fire Force and its not marketed to them so Ohkubo had to make up a literal strawman to avoid the issue with Tamaki being that she's a shitty character with an unfunny gimmick.
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>>286416649
You're a retarded beaner "muh lewdness" "muh based manga-ACK" filthy tourist. missed the entire goddamn point your 60iq author was actually trying to land. smartest gocuck fan. Go back to xitter, pinche chirigüillo güey.
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>>286419577
It was the argument about 10 years, but lately most women don't mind other women being sexy -- it's empowering. Ohkubo is swinging at ghosts here, which is why it's so funny/stupid. It's like james cameron crying about saving the whales in avatar 2 like it's still 1991
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>>286426597
>It's commentary against puritanical censorship in general.
Is the puritanical censorship here now Ohkubo?
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>>286426597
>It's commentary against puritanical censorship in general.
Which again just shows how out of date and retarded his take is. This isn't the 90's anymore and again nobody is trying to censor this shitty shounen manga that kids dont read so I ask who the fuck is Ohkubo talking to?
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>>286420976
>It's intellectually dishonest to pretend the "unrealistic body standards" bit has been relevant for the past 5 years
Half this, half anime definitely left behind those times of waifus with booba bigger than her heads, Rias never will return, even Marin is a realistic teenager compared with 2010s waifus
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>>286427059
(You)
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>>286426417
Kill yourselves, retarded tourists.
Stop giving any of these false equivalence faggots good faith arguments. >>286420189
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>>286417039
This honestly. I find OP's fanservice super cringe but at least Oda isn't berating me for not liking his shit. Moreover just because I don't like it doesn't mean I want him to stop. I'd rather he keeps doing his thing.
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>>286430579
Thing is people don't dislike his fanservice because it involves nudity.
People just find it annoying. Making it about "le puritans are targetting me, freedom to draw lewdness matters" is really just deflection on his part because he doesn't want to aknowledge that fact.
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>>286432783
>projecting his own thoughts on a multimillionaire mangaka
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>>286432903
It's not the same shit anyways and I'm tired of hearing it. More mangaka should actually fire back like this except much harder rather than justifying drawing fap material to retarded barely human cattle.
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>>286432812
I checked the replies again and...>286416755 complains that a character is eyecandy. I hardly believe a true 4channer would say this but it's there. You say you aren't complaining about a character being eyecandy and it's a total strawman but at the same time you are.
Mmmm.
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>>286415315
Fucking based
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SJWs and feminists
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>Strawman
Cope faggot
>>286416649
Even more? No need
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>>286416690
The only cringe here is you tranny loving faggots
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>>286427009
If you pay attention to japanese politics, yes: >>286422377
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>>286426598
Very convenient for you all to ignore this post: >>286422339
It shows who thinks everything is a about america and who isn't familiar with manga tropes. Tourists.
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>>286426560
>It's all about people not feeling represented.
Which is fucking retarded, by the way. Almost every "this is literally me" that's ever been spoken was about a character that is actually much better off and much luckier than them (or in some cases much worse off and much unluckier). The "the Japanese should make all their protagonists black and trans instead of asian because only white people can relate to asians" fags aren't even half as retarded as the "all character designs should be boring and unappealing" fags.
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Ecchi anons, I implore you. I beg of you, do not give these subversive/puritan types any of your time arguing, they want to just attack you and talk over you. They have no interest in reaching an understanding, they just want to deflect and attack and move goalposts. Instead of wasting your time, call them a slur and report + ignore. Simple as that because that's all they deserve.
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>>286438706
Based and true, one of them has written about ten posts in this thread implying "I speak for all dissenters and none of the arguments you've heard before this one are real" and then he stops replying when he's losing control of the narrative and waits 30 minutes to try again on someone else.
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>>286438850
Pretty much, it's genuinely a waste of time to argue with these people. Staring at paint dry is a better use of your time because at least you are thinking about something, talking to these subversive/woke/sjw whatever you wanna call them types is just going to make you feel dejected because that's their goal to make any and all past arguments they made seem like they never happened to make you think "am I the crazy? What if they are just reasonable people! Of course maybe the ecchi is excessive, we should tone it down for all people to enjoy!", that's how they get you. For example
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And then
>>286438965
Responds even though I said responding is in itself a waste of time, they thrive off attention. This really applies to any grift but it does here as well. Simply let them fade into the digital void because their criticisms should be paid no mind as they aren't criticism but attempts to destroy the soul of the work.
Never feed the trolls and never give people who aren't authentic to themselves any of your time. Some arguments can of course be made against ecchi depending on what they are and they can be reasonable however I promise you this entire thread consists of 1 or 2 of those bad apples trying to create chains for either A. Laughs or B. Manufacturing a consensus. Falling into obscurity is a fate worse than any other.
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>>286439097
you could just call them retarded instead of twisting yourself into knots about how you should just shut up and let them run their mouths
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>>286439545
The only debate to be had is between ignoring or calling a slur. Sometimes ignoring is enough. It gives them even less attention. I don't have it but there was an image about not giving attention to trolls. Of course, sometimes the thread sucks and you might call them a slur but even that is not necessary if someone else called them a slur before.
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>>286439545
i agree. anyone who reposted twits are a dirty bunch of aussie british mental illness genderbenders. and probably marxist and muslim too, with a nose ring.
pic unrelated. i just wanna brainwash more people into posting cuckoldry animes.
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>>286436537
>The Japanese Communist Party
>having any sway over anything
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>>286441503
>ignores the rest of my post
Remember that payment processors target manga storefronts because of radfems like the ones from Collective Shout? Are you aware that Akamatsu got elected by a landslide because he promised to protect freedom of expression and tons of mangaka congratulated him? Why do you think that happened? Japan isn't as safe as you think they are.
The JCP are perpetual losers but so are you.
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>>286415315
>no, this is totally different from one the nose anti-racism, anti-fascim, gay coming out speech from Western Slop because….because there is a sexy hottie involved in the lecturing.
Also Tamaki is probably the most boring character of the show among the female cast. Iris, Hibana, maki, the redhead with tentacle hairs, the arrow girl, Aumea and the pink psycho utterly mogs her in the sexy department.
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>>286432784
Tamaki is just boring all around, she is basically Sakura tier of helpless most of the time and she is relegated to make nude gags during important moments (shattering the tension) or to prop up other people into saving her (PotatoCHAD).
And the very boring personality doesn help neither.
Imagine if Iris was Screaming “KYAAAH! NO DON’T LOOK AT ME I’M NAKED “ all the time during her arc where Hibana burned her clothes and Shinra being there to save her instead of taking the important emotional role into redeeming Hibana and helping Shinra’s drive
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>>286444912
>she is basically Sakura tier of helpless most of the time
It's because of her that Assault didn't destroy everyone two times now. She's also stronger than Maki because she got 1-hit kod by the fake Assault.
>>286444920
>can't even make counterargument
Once again, not everything is about America and all your complaints are arbitrary considering they apply to so many sexy female characters. The only reason you all bitch about it is because FF is more recent.
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>>286445249
>The only reason you all bitch about it is because FF is more recent.
Also because it's perceived as chud-coded. But what these retards don't realize is that Okubo already did an arc about sexism with Maki, an immigrant story with Ogun, and the feminists being called out by Tamaki here 90% of the time are terfs (yes, TERFism is the default japanese feminism in Japan). They're all tourists.
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>>286445283
Have you considered that not everyone that likes this scenes hates when a manga preaches politics? At least I don't (unless it's like the Witch Hat Atelier that condemns harmful fanservice tropes but that's more to with the fact I hate moralfagging over fiction and not that the manga stated the author's views).
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>>286445410
Cringe is based. Learn to appreciate absurdity.
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>>286445410
You're right, I shouldn't have said you can't. If you jump into a discussion singling out a specific controversial scene as bad and cringe without making it clear that you think it doesn't stand out from the rest of the series, you're being a faggot, albeit.
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>>286445431
I like it plenty
When it's GOOD
This shit is just the author screaming his views and declaring himself the winner in an argument that had nobody to talk back at him
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I don't like it, but fair
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>>286445734
Then why reply to this >>286436683?
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>>286445790
when does satire not portray things in an extremely one-sided way? when are the people being satirized offered a compelling argument? it's always "look how fucking stupid you sound meanwhile i am based" and the viewers can all go "he's so right they're so stupid and we're so based"
it can be much more mature and refined, but fundamentally it's still "i have depicted myself as the chad"
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>t.
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>>286419577
>but Twitter feminists arguments has never been "pretty women make ugly women feel bad!"
That's clearly part of their agenda. Just look at Baldtroon's Gayte. These people have no issues when old/ugly women get sexualized. They only have an issue with young, beautiful women being sexualized.
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Obvious falseflags btw.
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>>286445982
This too. >>286445977
It's honestly hilarious how hard Ohkubo broke all the feminist scum.
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>>286438135
>meanwhile certain people are lusting for Leon in RE9 but we wont go there
Does Leon interrupt the gamers by stripping naked in the middle of a shoot out?
Most of Fire Force defenders argument are absolutely braindead. This is what happens when you goon 24/7
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>>286445770
I already explained why in my first post.
Read it again. This time carefully. >>286436683
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>>286446037
>not beautiful
What is this gaslighting attempt?
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>>286446058
Bleh.
Give me Maki and Inca any day
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>>286445325
Anon i watched and read the whole thing.
And if we want to go further in the commentary there was that whole bit with the Joker being assraped in the past by these goofy ninja guys .
Maki and the ther guy arc were just done better and didn’t required meta lecturing to works…in the manga the woman literally disappeared to hammer how much of an Npc she was..
Just admit Okubo fumbled this specific character instead of defending it. I’m literally okay with the whole manga minus this scene, and tamaki being the most boring character in the whole show/manga.
My point still stands and she is mogged by every single girl in the story
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Firefags go-to argument is always playing retardation. They know they have no valid argument.
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>>286446277
Keep seething, feminist scum. Sorry that your usual falseflagging and gaslighting strategies aren't working here. Everyone can see through you.
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>>286446167
>didn’t required meta lecturing to works
Kurono vs. Kurono did it and no one complained about it or even the whole Sumire monologue about the triteness of social media that we're meant to think she has a point about. Why? Oh, it's because most people are lying about their problem not being the fanservice.
>in the manga the woman literally disappeared to hammer how much of an Npc she was
And you think this was done just to hammer that and not that it shows the impact Adolla is having on the world too? It works by elaborating on what Licht and Sumire were saying previously.
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>>286446188
You are either a troll or a drolling retard.
You are talking with the guy that roam daily on pic related and would die smashing my face between these tits!
Just because something is OWNING LE FEMMINISTS doesn’t mean it is good..it is literally just like the other way around when i listen some idiots being
happy at something because “ITS OWNING THE INCELS AND THE CHUDS”.
Tamaki is a boring character, her contribution within the story is minimal and even in her team and as fanservice Iris ,maki and the redhead are better (she was even an afterthought of a member since she wasn’t even part of the time,but with that star-eyes guy and his ice pall).
Her only narrative contribution was just getting saved by PotatoChad.
Even her kitsune form is not really interesting or cool.
She is just boring
The sole thing i’d call bad in this manga.
And if you cannot understand the difference between an anon giving a proper criticism abut something not really well written and a screaming blue hired troon…well it is your problem
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Anon…it is really so different for you to understand the difference between GOOD EXECUTION and SHIT EXECUTION?!
Jesus fucking Chrits..is this the JJK thread all over again where the slurpers accept any shit and avoid any kind of criticism!?
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>>286446356
>Random twitter words, go!
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>>286446363
Why are you still replying to the falseflagging feminist retard that is ironically explaining exactly what he's doing?
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>>286446393
>he has to resort to this pathetic projecting now
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>>286446346
>it is really so different for you to understand the difference between GOOD EXECUTION and SHIT EXECUTION?!
You can't explain this when you don't even understand satire or shitting in fanservice that doesn't make you look like "I jack off in classier ways". Why is the Kurono vs. Kurono fight okay? We got lectured in the middle of it too. The only difference was that there wasn't a Karen there.
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>>286446489
>kurono vs his copy
A chad fighting a fake chad and turning it into a lecturing via different point of views
>tamaki ‘s lecturing
A boring character getting propped up in her supposed “cathartic moment” , by having an annoying karen and her stupid kid pulling the “eveyone clapped in the bus” discussion.
It is boring when it happens in western shows for every single stupid thing ending with ~ism… and it is in this case too.
Also as i said, Kurono is a chad..tamaki is boring and shitlura tier.
Maki earned her moment ,even in her previous season..and i want to lick her abs
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>>286446547
Radfems are genuinely mad: https://note.com/belllightnovel/n/n75bb5334185a
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>>286446609
>A boring character getting propped up in her supposed “cathartic moment” , by having an annoying karen and her stupid kid pulling the “eveyone clapped in the bus” discussion.
See? You don't understand satire at all. Poor Mel Gibson got destroyed by a 9 year old.
>Maki earned her moment ,even in her previous season..and i want to lick her abs
See? She doesn't fit your personal fetishes.
Proved me right.
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>…
Also if you want to justify shit writing with MHU THEMES,MHU SATIRE the JJK thread is right there
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>>286446765
Is South Park making celebrities caricatures to be destroyed by logical children not satire? This anon has it right >>286445878
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>see people using hammers
>smash your hand with hammer because you're a retard
>cry out in pain
>continue to smash your hand with hammer
>continue crying and screaming in pain
>someone tells you to stop since you can't use it properly
>"STFU CHUD! The hammer needs to change to suit ME!"
COVID tourists need to fucking leave.
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>>286415315
Fire Force fanservice felt like it was from a eunuch Martian trying to imitate human fanservice. And then there was this author self insert rant that was so bad it somehow managed to make the puritan fags look less retarded by comparison. Feels like a false flag/controlled opposition.
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>>286448558
How are soccermoms less retarded?
Scum like you are so culturally ignorant about fanservice traditions like lucky sukebe.
>Feels like a false flag/controlled opposition
For sure man. You're totally on the side of perverts.
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Retards that believe drawings cause rape can never be less retarded than an artist standing his ground mocking their shit. It's obvious detractors are so fake and actually agree with the Karen on some level otherwise they wouldn't be making such a fuss about this as if exaggerating someone to be so unlikeable was so unheard of.
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>>286432724
>I find OP's fanservice super cringe but at least Oda isn't berating me for not liking his shit.
Further point to the reason people hate it is because he dared to defend fanservice at all, and not anything about le execution.
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>>286446547
People dropped the series the second Tamaki and her super quirky lucky lecher appeared. Near the end of the series the author created a meta narrative reason for her nonsense.
Westoid grifters using it to farm engagement.
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>>286427059
>This isn't the 90's anymore
Every country perfectly aligns their politics so "the 90s" means exactly the same thing in every country, and it's not possible for a country to go through what we went through in the 90s and 2010s right now in THEIR 2020s?
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This is true. I saw a Mushoku Tensei thread recently where it was filled with discussion of the series, and not rage filled reeeeing over the main character being a pedo. It's all down to the OP. Most of those threads started with an OP that brought up the controversy, or defended Rudy, so it attracted shittertards. A straight up Fire Force thread wouldn't have all these comments. Simply behave as if there is no controversy and the shittertards melt away.
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>>286445283
Why's that wrong? Afraid of having to make an argument for a specific thing? Yeah, I like things that are demographically made for me, and don't watch things that aren't. Do I have to enjoy one speech because I enjoy another? Do I have to vote for all political parties simultaneously? Do I have to watch Western romcoms for women because I like romance for men anime? Do I have to eat all breakfast cereals in case some get left out?
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>>286416556
>implying there are non-retards on twitter
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>>286419577
>Twitter feminists arguments has never been "pretty women make ugly women feel bad!"
The mistake you made was listening to what women were saying, because regardless of any bullshit that comes out of their mouths, "pretty women make ugly women feel bad" is absolutely what they meant.
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>>286449284
No , i was saying that you can join the Gege’s dicksuckers in the thread where people defends badly written shit.
And i only dared saying that Tamaki is the only badly and boring written part, unlike everything after shibuya from that shithole
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>>286416649
kek
excellent ragebait
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>>286452423
>You fools! I actually wanted to be laughed at
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>>286453271
Is hard to tell if the people complaining even watched the show or the episode or they just think is funny to pretend to be retarded.
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>>286453772
nta but idk what you mean "it died", it's alive and well. Plenty of people online will repeat it like parrots in 2026 "waaaaaah women being hot and fan service appealing to the male gaze is objectification!". Do these people suddenly not count or something?
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